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That scrappy Palestinian girl who punched and kicked the military dudes who came on her family's property and wouldn't leave when asked, would be a hero to the Zionists if this was seventy years ago and the military dudes were the Brits. What a brave little thing she is.


Occupied people have no weapons except stones and words, and fists and feet flailing futilely against helmets and body armor. There is no good solution there. The Jewish state can't accept the Palestinians, or whatever they call them now, into their state and remain Jewish, and the Jewish state can't accept an enemy state in their midst, that's just madness, and even if the Palestinians declare that Israel has a right to exist, who's going to believe them?


Land has been taken. It will not be returned. People's hearts have been broken and they cannot be repaired. As some Palestinians said in the uproar after Trump declared the US embassy being moved to Jerusalem, what's the point of going out and throwing stones when they shoot us with bullets and our protests being even more ammunition for them taking from us what they want?


We fight for justice because we believe in justice. We fight with our hands, our feet, our teeth, the very fiber of our souls not because we will win, but because we have no choice.     


mark henry smith Added Jan 8, 2018 - 12:58pm
Problems need solutions outside the walled box.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 8, 2018 - 4:29pm
Here is my issue with Israel critique. I'd like to hear it. However, I am tired of these repeating, vague, tired slams that don't get specific. That is no critique of Mark who just shows his sympathy for the Arabs. Of the Arab generation of today, few have had anything taken from them. Rather the opposite, they have more prosperity than their ancestors or the Arabs who are not lucky enough to live in Israel. Polls differ wildly when it comes to decide what the Arabs actually want. As with any population wishes change with time. What does not change are the ever same phrases and empty words from Israel critiques. Arabs in Israel vote, are member of the parliament and of the Supreme Court. Their civil rights are unmatched in the rest of the Arab world. Were there are problems, I'm happy to hear about them - but please with specifics. Sometimes I'm afraid to overlook actual problems because they are inundated with the endless stream of mindless slander.
EXPAT Added Jan 8, 2018 - 4:51pm
Did this come to you in a dream one night Marko? It sure as hell isn't reality. Only CC is misinformed enough to agree.
Palestine isn't a people, it is a place, populated by Jews, Arabs, and Christians. The dominant group being the Jews, with support from Christians.
I thought Israeli forces were terrorizing the Arabs, according to Daily Kos. Now you Lionize an unarmed girl attacking soldiers. Rather incongruent, wouldn't you say.
Occupied people have no weapons? The news is full of reports of Rockets fired at Israeli towns, Hezbollah Artillery firing on Israeli outposts, Arab truck drivers running down crowds, Stabbing of civilians, cutting throats, one an American.
Trump allowing that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel, put an end to the never ending resistance of Fatah and the PLO. It is now time for them to make lives under Israel, or get out.
mark henry smith Added Jan 9, 2018 - 1:53pm
Chris, Ben, and Ex, (not Wendy I hope)
As I said, what do we call this place, these people? Does it matter?
To say that the "Palestinian" "Arabs" have more freedom is to deny a basic concept of freedom, that you have the right to dictate the parameters of your own activities, within reason. Gaza has no trade routes open to it by air or sea, and the land ones are strictly controlled by foreign governments. Gazans are not free to come and go as they like. The west bank has been carved up by settlers into blocks, blocks that the Israeli's will slowly consolidate over time, despite the occasional set back to appease a hostile American administration.
I will not dispute the fact that there are "Arabs" "Palestinians" with the right to vote and hold office in Israeli government. But I would argue that they are second-class citizens because so much of the Israeli social safety net is tied to military service (mandatory for Jews, forbidden for Arabs) and the orthodox Jewish community. That women of any stripe have more rights in Israel than in a fundamentalist Islamic state, is hard to argue with, but Saddam's Iraq was secular, as was Mouseda's Iran, as was Ataturk's Turkey. Was has the Arab world turned back? Who funded this movement of fundamentalism? Saudi Arabia. CIA. Israel. This would make sense, since a clearer enemy makes for a clearer target.
Let's not pigeonhole ole Marko into a corner. I support Israel. I believe that the greatest threat to Israeli survival isn't the "Arabs", "Palestinians", or whatever name you want to give, or claims you want to make about those displaced, dispossessed people. The greatest threat is the fundamentalists inside and outside of Israel who have no interest in negotiation or fair play.
And yes, Expat, there are all kinds of assaults with all kinds of weapons, and I agree that none of it is right, but doesn't that girl have the right to ask the soldiers to leave her property, to demand it. Or can the military just go into any home on the pretext of looking for something? Can they do that in Israeli homes? Do they bulldoze the homes of Israeli criminals? When do we see fair play on both sides? How do we start that dialogue, or can we?            
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 9, 2018 - 1:57pm
Mark, the issue is that you sit on too many lies. For one, Arabs DO serve in Israel's military!
Stone-Eater Added Jan 9, 2018 - 2:26pm
She looks neat, though :-)
EXPAT Added Jan 10, 2018 - 10:08am
Once again you allow ignorance of the facts to delude your reasoning.
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mark henry smith Added Jan 10, 2018 - 2:26pm
How many Arabs serve in the military as a percentage and what are their duties? Yes, there are some settlements that have been deemed illegal and I respect the fact that Israel does have the rule of law. And I will also say that there is not one homogenous view in Israel about what is the proper approach to take with regards to settlements and peace, but the hard liners have become more and more powerful and their goal is to annex all of the land to the Jordan River, to push the "Arabs" "Palestinians" out of the area all together. Maybe Syria will be a new home.
There is no two-state solution that will satisfy the Israelis. There is just too much distrust, and the hardliners with there draconian approach and wall building have given average Israelis something they have longed for, a relatively safe environment to live in. It makes anything else they do palatable.
There is no one-state solution, since the numbers would eliminate the concept of a Jewish state. Is that girl a citizen of Israel? A Palestinian citizen of Israel? Are the occupied territories a kind of limbo land? The solution for Israel will be the same solution that all modern states have used to consolidate their hold on land and power, time. Time has eroded much of the hostility as Palestinian come more and more to question the reasonableness of their leaders who have done little to advance the basic day-to-day realities of civilized life, to pursue conflict.
And Stone, her cuteness is one of the reasons she's been so celebrated, and at first I thought she looked kinda Jewish.   
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 11, 2018 - 12:21pm
Mark, it is irrelevant what percentage serve in the military. They serve in all ranks and everybody is free to serve. My point is that you sit on more lies than facts.
mark henry smith Added Jan 11, 2018 - 1:52pm
Then please present your facts and not make blanket statements. How many Arab Israelis in leadership positions in the armed forces? How are social benefits distributed? Is that true that all Israeli citizens are free to serve? But how are Arabs treated in the military? Are they treated like Muslims in our armed services? The way blacks and Asians were treated in the past, and now women? Educate us who have been trapped in lies so we can escape our ignorance. What kind of teacher are you?
Let's use the Socratic method of a back and forth, a give and take. And I had to leave the thread on labeling. I was starting to get a little frayed on that one. 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 11, 2018 - 2:06pm
For the point of your argument, the number is not even relevant. So I won't spend even a second researching. Here a dude talking about his service