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Intentions, superlatively modified

(that means "the best")

Are their inverse

When put to test

No original, not the first

Superlatively speaking? Still the worst

For what they say is not rubbish:

No good deed goes unpunished

 

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Leroy Added Jan 10, 2018 - 7:44am
Is this about Climate Change here?  :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 11, 2018 - 8:18am
Could be, if thats how ya read it ;)  Applies to a lot of things, dont you think?
opher goodwin Added Jan 11, 2018 - 9:50am
Burger - if that were true human civilisation would never even have gotten off the ground. But we are getting better.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 11, 2018 - 9:56am
I have to disagree with that premise Opher.  Civilization's development was NOT, I assure you, the manifestation of good intentions. Quite the contrary. Maybe civilization is over rated
Spartacus Added Jan 11, 2018 - 10:37am
I always keep in mind the forces of the universe which we humans think we can suspend to our will.
We have done a pretty good job in understanding the universe, its rules, but our understanding is still adolescent.  
 
I am always amused (sometimes bemused) at many people here who want peace and harmony at all cost.  This is in complete contradiction to the universe that demands progress at the price of its own past creations.  The universe does not value peace and harmony at all.  It loves contradictions, turmoil, death, competition.  Out of these forces emerge things that are more evolved than before.  That's it.  Really simple.
 
Good deeds are momentary and quickly outlive their utility while I have never seen the universe do any "good deed".  
 
I have started a book on this topic.  A story of a civilization which adheres to the principles of the universe valuing competition as its number one virtue. Good deeds, in this world, have no merit but in fact, are viewed as nonsense. 
This is the reality in our own world too as we humans, in our protected societies, ignore the terrible deeds we impose on other "species" and each other.  We farm critters for our consumption at the rate of millions per day to keep our civilization fed.  I laugh at the "peace at all cost" empathy whores who ignore the natural price they pay every day to even live in their childish ignorance.
 
Where are the good deeds and what does this really mean?
Spartacus Added Jan 11, 2018 - 10:40am
By the way, interesting post, Burghal.  Thanks again for your words.
Leroy Added Jan 11, 2018 - 11:01am
"Applies to a lot of things, dont you think? "
 
I suppose it applies to everything.
Leroy Added Jan 11, 2018 - 11:03am
"A story of a civilization which adheres to the principles of the universe valuing competition as its number one virtue."
 
I agree with most of what you say, William.  However, the universe values nothing.  It just is.
 
While there can be order in chaos, the universe tends towards chaos.
opher goodwin Added Jan 11, 2018 - 11:10am
Burger - I agree. Civilisation is overrated. Unfortunately with 8 Billion people there is not an alternative. We cannot survive by hunter gathering anymore. So unless we reduce the world population to about half a billion or less we are lumbered with civilisation, cities and getting along with each other.
opher goodwin Added Jan 11, 2018 - 11:14am
William/Leroy/Burger - without good intentions we do not improve. If we lived like the first tribes we'd all be starving, fighting and dying like flies. The average life expectancy of Neolithic man was twenty eight years. It is only with idealism and striving towards something better that we have got to where we are.
I suggest you all go and watch the film Hostiles. It's a world without good intentions.
Spartacus Added Jan 11, 2018 - 11:57am
Leroy, I think "chaos" is the wrong description of the "end" of the universe.  Ambivalence seems to be more adequate. 
 
Energy is the chaos in our universe.  Fortunately, that chaos is bridled by natural laws which both together create more complex structures.
As the energy runs down to near zero (increased disorder) the natural laws still exist but matter becomes nearly inert to these laws.
 
My opinion is that you are incorrectly using "disorder" and "chaos" synonymously.
Spartacus Added Jan 11, 2018 - 12:03pm
opher, "without good intentions we do not improve."
 
Who is "we" and what were the "good intentions" in the 6.88 billion years before humans existed?
Your comment extends out of the arrogance of humanism which has recently become a narrowly, self-focusing religion.
Spartacus Added Jan 11, 2018 - 12:13pm
Sorry Leroy to be your opposition today but . . . 
"It just is."
 
 I'm just not seeing this.  The most perplexing question remains unanswered:  Why do we even live in a progressing universe?  Seems to me that progress is the motive. 
 
I can more easily say, as you, "well it is just that way and there is no meaning to claim about the "end" or the "beginning" or any state in between.  However, my observations of the universe and what we have discovered so far tell me that there is meaning and "cause" for everything.  I have never seen any phenomena in science that has "no meaning" and "just is".
Right?
 
I'm not sure how you can rise to a conclusion of zero causation without any evidence for such.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 11, 2018 - 12:51pm
William - As always thank you for reading. You always have something solid to contribute and I quite share your thoughts. I'm just too lazy to write it out in long form, hence it comes in verse. Says the same things, if you know where to look :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 11, 2018 - 1:05pm
Not really lazy, just busy with other things. I get bored easily so I need the distraction. No prescription required: I self medicate :)
Spartacus Added Jan 11, 2018 - 3:29pm
My pleasure Burghal and thank you for your kindness.  I have a saying that I rarely live by:  "If I cant say something in 20 words or less, it's probably not worth saying." 
 
 
Einstien said it best with one phrase: E=mc^2.  He consolidated thousands of volumes of text, millions of words, with that one equation.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 11, 2018 - 4:07pm
So if the Bard breathed today it would read:
 
If brevity be the soul of wit
Any more 'tis but a pile of shit
 
I don't always abide the rule either.  Poetry is an easy medium in that respect.  If I am working in prose I don't like to be restricted. Its my work, I'll say what I want to say and in my own voice. If that takes 10,000 words so be it.  I have been chided in the past here for posting things that some considered to be too lengthy. This is an unwritten rule, if I am not mistaken.
 
My responses on those occasions may have been perceived as terse. It is unlikely that I will temper that response any time soon.  Too long, unless there are specific provisions regarding length, is nothing more than an opinion. To my way of thinking if one is going to take the time to offer an opinion on something written then it should be concerning the content, not the duration.  If it is too taxing on your attention span don't read it. Why tell me? But then I have a bad attitude, so there's that.....
Leroy Added Jan 12, 2018 - 7:21am
"Leroy, I think "chaos" is the wrong description of the "end" of the universe.  Ambivalence seems to be more adequate."
 
I can accept ambivalence.  Maybe entropy is more precise.
 
"I'm just not seeing this.  The most perplexing question remains unanswered:  Why do we even live in a progressing universe?  Seems to me that progress is the motive."
 
We humans may be progressing, but, I argue that the universe tends towards entropy.  Order and entropy can exist together.
 
'I can more easily say, as you, "well it is just that way and there is no meaning to claim about the "end" or the "beginning" or any state in between.  However, my observations of the universe and what we have discovered so far tell me that there is meaning and "cause" for everything.  I have never seen any phenomena in science that has "no meaning" and "just is".
Right?'
 
I had the impression that you weren't a religious person.
 
I wholeheartedly believe that there is a cause for everything.  We had this discussion before where you took the opposite side.
 
Things have meaning to us humans.  The universe doesn't give a damn.
 
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 12, 2018 - 7:54am
All is vanity
 
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 12, 2018 - 8:05am
it pleases me greatly that the mere verse can foster this discussion. Look where it's taken us. I share in the idea that everything happens for a reason, though I do not find this in the divine purpose of some supreme being. I believe that it is rather a sort of universal homeostasis. Everything is in a balance. When the balance is disturbed to a degree that it becomes a danger to the restoration of that homeostasis then actions occur to counter, restore and maintain balance.
 
Do not misunderstand me: this is how nature works. It is not how people work. People are animals, only a part of nature's balancing act. Nature is elemental and we are subject to it. It is the height of vanity to assign the same level of importance to ourselves as that of the elemental.

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