Conservatism cannot blend with liberalism

Bipartisan?.....compromise?....deal with liberals-democrats?.....that ! is totally unacceptable;....let's be simple.

 

Conservatism cannot blend with liberalism, they both are two very much different approach,....one is pro-american , the other is anti-american .

 

This current paradigm (now fading) and quite much more is as result of the 'cross the party lines' bad habit,....among some others factors.

 

The so called 'cross the party lines' (compromising / making 'deals' / shaking hands -under-the-table / be with GOD and Satan simultaneously - sort of speak ) that type of idiosyncrasy is the reason our country was the way it was during the Obama period with a rogue government, a pack of politicians at helm , with an anti-American, corrupted , and fraud -base administration with a foreigner implant (Mr Barack Obama), unconstitutionally posing and acting in his ill-acquired presidential platform.

 

President Trump should not - under any circumstances - make any deal / treaty / a so called "bipartisan" plan - should not,,,must not ,....with the liberal-democrat sector.

 

The :Working together" thing is ...republican sector should and must to comply with destructive liberal procedures - that is what it means really.

 

You see, we, the American electorate did not selected, supported, elected and trusted Donald Trump for this to happens....did we?

 

The whole invention of DACA is / was unconstitutionally and so illegally conceived, and created.

 

The “DACA” amnesty for 800,000 young illegals....translates into extra votes for the liberal anti-American sector...because those new.... "citizens" with the path to votes, are not going to vote for conservative values,....it is all for the liberal anti-American democrat sector...every single one of them.

 

In others words,.... the illegal parasitic infestation becomes "legal" , it is to be maximized ,....and our country is at the mercy of those that do not care much - or nothing - for it.

 

You see, we, the American electorate did not selected, supported, elected and trusted Donald Trump for this to happens....did we?

 

President Trump better,... should / must take a 180 Degrees turn around from this insanity;....and so about making deal (s), of any kind is just unwise.

 

The liberal, unruly, anti-American sector along with their sold-out republican associates...cannot - under any circumstances , be trusted.

 

And that for short.

 

Are we all clear on this?

 

A phD in Quantum Physics needed is not to understand this.

Comments

Barry aka. Hyperminde Added Jan 13, 2018 - 5:52pm
The relevant quote about "compromise" is:
 
"In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win. In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit."
- Ayn Rand
Rusty Smith Added Jan 13, 2018 - 6:04pm
I understand the two major parties have vastly different visions, and when the party I don't favor is in office I never expect others in my party to just go along for the ride, I expect them to stand by and watch the other party, and see if what they do works.  
RobL_V2 Added Jan 13, 2018 - 11:13pm
I agree, the Party that preaches, demands, coerces 'tolerance' is quite intolerant of any with the temerity to dissent. Intolerance married to raging hypocrisy does not make for a civil society.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 13, 2018 - 11:43pm
Dan9el, here is a reason why the two shall never agree unless significant thought is put into it.  The Righteous Mind book by psychologist J. Haidt that says people's moral foundations are Care, Fairness, Liberty, Loyalty, Authority, and Sanctity.  Liberals basically only consider the first two while conservatives consider all of them. 
 
Liberal politicians say the rich could pay more taxes because it isn't fair and that we have a lot of poor that need care.   It is not fair that people have to live in corrupt poverty ridden countries so have open borders.  And once in the country to be fair they can receive welfare, go to public schools, obtain health care and to be fair at the level of the rich.    It is just fair.
 
Conservative concentrate more on the remaining foundations.  Free speech gives us liberty,  stop watching the NFL and join the military for loyalty, support the police and expect your elected representatives to keep their campaign promises for authority, and Christmas decorations at city hall and not baking a gay wedding cake for sanctity. 
 
Since conservative also believe in the foundations of fairness and care the liberals have pushed their programs on these foundations.  It is time that conservative start with the liberal's foundation and then present the other foundations in term of the first two.  But to be 'FAIR AND CARING'  all the moral foundations need to be considered.  The DACA and immigration is a great starting point. 
Charles Burris Added Jan 13, 2018 - 11:56pm
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2018 - 6:56am
Oh Barry! Talk dirty to me :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2018 - 6:57am
the Ayn Rand quote
Leroy Added Jan 14, 2018 - 6:59am
I largely agree, Dan9el.  And that was a great quote, Barry.  But, keep in mind that while the Republicans have a slim majority, the conservatives are well into the minority.  There is a large group of Republicans who detest Trump and work against him.  If there is no compromise, then nothing happens.
 
It seems to me, however, that all Trump has to do is fight the DACA ruling in the Supreme Court.  It is clearly illegal.  He shouldn't have to fight it in the Supreme Court, but if some liberal judge tries to make the illegal EO law, he has no choice but to fight it.  It's an easy fight.  If neither Trump nor Congress acts, then they go home.  It's as simple as that. Trump has the Democrats over a barrel.  There is action in inaction in this case. 
 
I really don't have any problem with the DACAs remaining under certain conditions.  America is the only country that many of them know.  It is just as much their country as it is mine.  But they are here illegally.  Kick out the undesirables--criminals and those on welfare and those that are a drain on society and those who desire to create a greater Mexico in the US.  Give the remaining ones a path to citizenship.  That's all.  Let them work, but don't let them vote.  The way I look at it, if they are a net positive, let them stay.  If they are costing us, kick them out.  If Trump plays his cards right, he can blame the failure of coming to an agreement on DACA on the Democrats.  They just want to stay.  They don't care about the wall or chain migration or the other immigration issues.  They will blame the Democrats for the failure to come to an agreement.
 
Amnesty is unacceptable.  The ONLY reason the Democrats want the DACAs is for their vote. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2018 - 7:09am
Which I say again, Leroy, is not an assured
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2018 - 7:11am
Not intended as a support of amnesty, mind you, I'm just saying I find it a risky gamble to believe that they will remain a universally democrat voting bloc
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 14, 2018 - 7:15am
It could of course be argued that conversely it is a risk to believe that they wont. In that instance I would ask that one consider this:
 
It always seems to be a democrat party member or operative who advises that the republicans must compromise on the issue. Since when do democrats care what is in the best political interests of their opponents?
Leroy Added Jan 14, 2018 - 7:51am
"Not intended as a support of amnesty, mind you, I'm just saying I find it a risky gamble to believe that they will remain a universally democrat voting bloc"
 
As long as they believe the Democratic party cares about their issues more that the Republicans, they will vote Democratic.  The sanctuary cities are all about showing them how much the Democrats care.  Yes, in three generations they may realize that we are running out of other people's money and that it can't go on forever.  In the meantime, the country goes down the toilet.
 
Trump got the attention of many high profile blacks.  Black unemployment is at all-time lows.  We'll have to see how it plays out and how much credit Trump gets for it.  It is just a small dent now.  So, yes, I agree that no demographic shouldn't be taken as a given.  The Democrats have so little to offer that they have resorted to a popular candidate for 2020.  To hell with Bernie.
 
 
Dino Manalis Added Jan 14, 2018 - 8:54am
Sometimes, conservatism and liberalism do blend into pragmatic centrist policies that both sides can agree upon, but you have to have competent policymakers who are willing to make it happen, like Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich.  I suppose they share common southern values.
Cliff M. Added Jan 14, 2018 - 10:35am
The premise of this article is so wrong and a major reason for the discord of today. Governance should not be about catering to the extreme right or left but about what is best for the whole country.Policy founded on a minority view is a waste and just further splinters hope and reason. It is not about what's best for my team or your team. The status quo which continues to exploit and plunder is thrilled with the right against the left. Divide and conquer is working out well for them. It is now keeping any progress in check.
Bill H. Added Jan 14, 2018 - 11:33am
 
I watch and listen to a lot of news and read media from both sides. What I have noticed the most is that pundits on the "Right" tend to steer their audience into hating and despising anything to do with the "Left", including who they assume are people on the "Left". Pundits on the "Left" tend to steer their audience into despising and rejecting  simply the platform and many issues of the "Right", and not those they assume are people on the "Right". We certainly see many examples of this here on WB. 
Our technology is adding to this issue with algorithms designed to accomplish the same objectives.
Once we all figure out that we are in most cases trying to correct the same issues with different ideals, maybe we can all quit acting like children and discuss the best ways to correct the issues for everyone.
It's time for people to control their lives and decisions, not our so-called "leaders" and our technology.
 
Even A Broken Clock Added Jan 14, 2018 - 12:27pm
Dan9el - welcome to Writerbeat. Hope this is not just a drive-through posting. I actually agree with a statement you made - they both are two very much different approach,....one is pro-american , the other is anti-American 
 
I agree that America was found upon the liberal perspective about equality of opportunity and purpose. Therefore it is the pro-American perspective. Conservatism as expressed by the current administration in its effusive praise of a past era that exists mainly in the gilded memory of its adherents - that's truly the anti-American perspective that wants to go back to the days of slavery and segregation. I'm guessing that was not your intent when you wrote your post.
 
Bill H. - good reply and I agree with your perspective.
George N Romey Added Jan 14, 2018 - 12:30pm
Tags extremes are used because they get ratings and assured votes. The extremes can’t see the big picture.
William Stockton Added Jan 14, 2018 - 12:41pm
Yep, the left and right are diabolically opposed in their ideology.  There is no mixing and no compromising.  
 
In the distant past, the two parties in the USA were mostly aligned and had a significant sharing of values which could be "traded" across the aisle.
Not anymore.  
This bipolarism in our politics is not really new.  It is a case of strength vs weakness.  It should be no surprise as most of us could foresee it plausible that in a democracy, weakness could, theoretically, be voted into power and become a "moral" imposition.
 
The only way out of this political bipolarism will be, eventually, conflict.  One side will win and take all.  If there was a way to convince people that competition in society is the best way forward, we would have done this by now.  However, it takes a minimum IQ to understand the differences. 
 
When one side (left) values incoherence and weakness, words will never bring us all together again.  
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 14, 2018 - 12:41pm
We are assuming the congressmen(women) both liberals and capitalist have any morals.  We want to see them as liberals with at least the two liberal fundamental morals of caring and fairness.  Sorry but they are closer to Marxist with no morals and only self interest.
 
That is what we seen with Senators Lindsey Graham and Dick Durbin on DACA.  Lindsey set up Trump by playing to his ego and getting him to think that the voters that totally rejected him in the primary didn't see him correctly.  He has redeemable attributes.  Lindsey got them into Trumps office where the unacceptable bill was presented.    Lying Little Dicky Durbin that is only topped by Obama in back stabbing ability was their to smear Trump.  LBJ had one of the foulest mouths in government but he is seldom quote and never quoted when is office.  Why is simple he had dirt on everyone and was not afraid of using it like FBI director Hoover.  Little Dick has a history of lying.  Seems that anything that passes through his lips favors him.  
 
Trump need a bill taster before he get into a room with anyone again.   This incident is an indication that Trump has a good share of the conservative fundamental morals.  The art of the deal is to win all the big issues.   
 
So let the Dems shut down the government.  The media will put the blame on Trump, but that tweet account will point the people to the truth.  That televised hour long meeting on DACA and security is the image that will be presented in his tweets.   History of shut downs show that the GOP on average gains seat in both house of Congress.  Trump is showing that he intends to keep his campaign promises and the Dems are showing they are obstructionist not willing to compromise.  Guess who is going to gain seats? 
 
https://www.thoughtco.com/government-shutdown-history-3368274
10 day Ford 1977 GOP senate+1, house-1
46 day 4 events Carter 1979 GOP senate+3, house+15
11 day Carter 1981 GOP senate+2, house+34
6 day 3 events Reagan 1983 senate+1, house-26
1 day Reagan 1985 GOP senate-1, house+16
1 day Reagan 1987 GOP senate-12, house-17
3 day Bush 1989 GOP senate+0, house-2
26 day 2 events Clinton 1997 GOP senate+3, house-4
16 day Obama 2015 GOP senate+9, house+13
Jeff Michka Added Jan 14, 2018 - 12:44pm
Dan9el raves: was the way it was during the Obama period with a rogue government, a pack of politicians at helm , with an anti-American, corrupted , and fraud -base administration with a foreigner implant (Mr Barack Obama), unconstitutionally posing and acting in his ill-acquired presidential platform.-Oh, gee....how "unique" another rightist birther.  LET'S SEE IF THIS RIGHTIST HERO IS JUST ANOTHER DRIVEBY, ALTHOUGH HE ATTRACTED A COUPLE OF USUAL SUSPECT RIGHTISTS. Or will it be back to the blog where everyone either loves me or I ban 'em? 
Leroy Added Jan 14, 2018 - 1:59pm
It's got to be killing the progressive liberals that 90% of workers are going to see more in their paychecks after telling everyone that it would only benefit the rich. The economy is improving.  They have some explaining to do of why we should go back to the progressive liberal way that does nothing for the common man.
Bill H. Added Jan 14, 2018 - 2:57pm
Leroy-
It's got to be killing the Conservatives that the economy actually began improving before Trump was even a candidate, and the benefits and improvements are a direct result of budgeting and corporate decisions that were made at least several years ago. Companies just don't decide to implement expenditures related to infrastructure improvement, relocations, and major salary hikes overnight.
Many of the companies that did give recent bonuses or raises either have or bid on government contract work, or have pending merger/acquisition deals that they hope will be approved (Time Warner/AT&T), so one can only imagine the pressure to make things look good. Others, like Walmart simply play the game by closing 63 stores to make up for raising wages for new employees by 1$.
 
Let's see what happens over the next 18 months, then report back.
 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 14, 2018 - 3:17pm
Bill keep dreaming.  The fact is that GDP was never at or above 3% for all of Obama's 8 years.  He is the only and I am saying ONLY PRESIDENT TO NOT ACHIEVE AT LEAST ONE QUARTER AT OR ABOVE 3%.   The economy is now and was above 3% well before t year past.  When Coolidge, Kennedy, Reagan, and now Trump reduced the drag of government on the economic system the response was the same, growth in GDP.  When FDR, LBJ, Carter, and Obama increased the drag of government on the economic system the response was the same, drop n GDP.   
 
Time to take a strong sniff of ammonia and wake up Bill.
Bill H. Added Jan 14, 2018 - 3:57pm
Thomas - You are incorrect. Take a look at this chart setting for the last 10 years and you will see that the GDP exceeded 3% and was 4.6% to 5.2% over the period of Q2 and Q3 in 2014.
I love the smell of ammonia in the morning!
Cliff M. Added Jan 14, 2018 - 4:06pm
Thomas , The latest GDP estimate for 2017 is 2.3% .
William Stockton Added Jan 14, 2018 - 4:18pm
 . . . and the stock market is not growing because "that will crash soon" according to Bill.  The unemployment rates are also misleading.  As well, the increased paycheck for 90% of Americans in February is also a lie.
 
There is no intellectual value in arguing these points with the cult-left.  These are people who will believe anything without any objective truths.  The left are nuts.
 
Bill H,  You said back in 2016 Trump would never get elected.  You also said the stock market was crashing right after the election.  It was going down at that time because Hillarybots, like yourself, couldn't see their ass if their head was planted on backward.
Mike Haluska Added Jan 14, 2018 - 4:38pm
Stockton - If President Trump saw a little kid drowning in the Potomac and walked on the water to the kid and saved his life, Bill H would say "that proves Trump can't swim"!
Mike Haluska Added Jan 14, 2018 - 4:41pm
Dan9el - great article!  The left does not want a Constitutional government - they want a welfare state with all means of production controlled by the state.  There is NO COMPROMISING with the left - as they made plainly clear this past week with President Trump.
William Stockton Added Jan 14, 2018 - 5:07pm
Ya Mike.  The scary thing about this is the left must continue to prove that the improving market is NOT due to better leadership.  This would require much stronger tactics. 
In the left's perspective, this is mortal combat . . . making it everyone's mortal conflict.
Leroy Added Jan 14, 2018 - 5:12pm
"If President Trump saw a little kid drowning in the Potomac and walked on the water to the kid and saved his life, Bill H would say "that proves Trump can't swim"! "
 
And if the kid were black, he would call it pandering.
Bill H. Added Jan 14, 2018 - 5:27pm
Sorry guys, just presenting the facts.
Wouldn't you know it would bring out WB's Top Three ERW Crew doing what they do best, flinging the insults.
 
xanadu Added Jan 14, 2018 - 6:13pm
If people are sane and rational they can talk. If they can talk they can establish some common ground. Dialog is important. Like what we're seeing now with North Korea. It may lead us away from nuclear war.
William Stockton Added Jan 14, 2018 - 6:16pm
Wouldn't you know it would bring out WB's Top Three ERW Crew doing what they do best, flinging the insults.
 
What took you so long BH?
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 14, 2018 - 7:45pm
Bill H.,  
Bill your not the only one to find a list of GDP
growth rate.      https://www.thebalance.com/us-gdp-by-
year-3305543
 
year & rate    2016 1.5%     2015 2.9%     2014 2.6%
2013 1.7%      2012 2.2%     2011 1.6%     2010 2.5%
2009 -2.8%    2008 -0.3%    2007 1.8%     2006 2.7%
2005 3.3%     2004 3.8%      2003 2.8%     2002 1.8%
2001 1.0%     2000 4.1%      1999 4.7%     1998 4.5%
1997 4.5%     1996 3.8%      1995 2.7%     1994 4.0%
1993 2.7%     1994 3.6%      1993 2.7%     1992 3.6%
1991 -0.1%    1990 1.9%      1989 3.7%    1988 4.2%
1987 3.5%     1986 3.5%      1985 4.5%     1984 7.3%
1983 4.6%     1982 -1.9%     1981 2.6%     1980 -0.2%
 
Reagan's  August 13, 1981 tax cut took three years to implement.  He passed through a Democratic House. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 14, 2018 - 7:47pm
I did underline the full eight years, but what you see is not what you get.
Barry aka. Hyperminde Added Jan 15, 2018 - 9:06pm
RE (William S): ........ are diabolically opposed in their ideology.  There is no mixing and no compromising.
 
To modify your statement - POLITICIANS Are Perfectly United in their "Ideology."
 
By "Ideology", that is "Politicians, their Elites, and Enforcers of the Will of the State RULE, while ALL OTHERS SHALL LABOR TO PRODUCE TRIBUTE for their masters in government."
 
Much of today's political class display the same attitude that could be found hundreds or thousands of years ago.... Peasants are too stupid to be allowed to live without "proper supervision." (see Kings, Emperors, Pharaohs, Czars, or whatever)
 
For them, only "The State" has the Wisdom, Compassion, Vision, and Intellect to determine the Correct Path of Society. All who dispute the Word of the State are Lunatics or Enemies of Mankind..... When President Donald Trump says "Drain the Swamp" - the Politicians Unite because (R) and (D) "do not matter" when a "Non-Elite / Non-Politician" threatens to diminish their power (and allows the peasants to retain liberty).
Barry aka. Hyperminde Added Jan 15, 2018 - 9:18pm
RE: The DACA Bill
 
Maybe Trump told the Politicians "Put ANYTHING in this DACA Bill - and I Will Sign It" ... because he knew they could not resist making a "Bill" that was INSANELY Self-Serving for Politicians and their Lobbyist friends.
 
Maybe the "Republican" Politicians will regret their "cheerful support" of DACA when their Dirty Laundry is Aired during "Primary" season.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jan 16, 2018 - 1:02am
 Bill H would say "that proves Trump can't swim"!
 
True that! I seldom agree with Haluska but that made me laugh out loud.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 16, 2018 - 8:40pm
Thomas the Sutrino cries: We want to see them as liberals with at least the two liberal fundamental morals of caring and fairness.  Sorry but they are closer to Marxist with no morals and only self interest.-If anyone doesn't buy into your rightist bullcrap, they're Marxists.  Just the same ol garbage out of you, Sutrino, hyper whine and willy stockpot and mikey hahahaluska.AND ol Leroy:The sanctuary cities are all about showing them how much the Democrats care.-more un-cited rightist drivel.  Yeah, sanctuary cities are only about keeping the voters.  If they were republicans, would sanctuary cities be about nazis and folks from Norway to keep Trump's "base" fed a dose of red meat to feed their hatreds?