The story not told by Flying Junior in, What is the Legacy of Dr. Martin Luther King Junior

Martin Luther King was not born with that first and second Name. At least that is what is said in Eric Metaxas's book "Martin Luther The Man Who Rediscovered God and Changed the World." You forgot God. Martin's father, a minister, Eric tells us visited the historical sites of Martin Luther and upon returning home changed his and his son's first and middle name. Martin Luther King was raised to focus on helping us rediscover God.  If you really want to remember one thing about his life and death is that he died as a martyr for Christ. Non-violence was not by accident.

 

"To most Christians, the Bible is like a software license," Bill Maher once explained. "Nobody actually reads it. They just scroll down to the bottom and click, 'I agree.'"  Rev. Martin Luther King thought differently. Indeed, he found the Bible so compelling that his undergraduate degree was in Bible studies and his Ph.D. was in theology. To King, the Bible wasn't a software license. It was software code — a deep, mysterious code authored by God for man's eternal soul.

 

"Leaving God out of Martin Luther King's life," a friend once told me, "is like leaving naked young women out of Hugh Hefner's. It's like leaving the story of segregation out of Jackie Robinson's." https://www.lifezette.com/popzette/secularization-martin-luther-king-jr/print

 

In the third paragraph of the famous Birmingham jail Letter King writes, "just as the Apostle Paul left his little village of Tarsus and carried the gospel of Jesus Christ to practically every hamlet and city of the Greco-Roman world, I too am compelled to carry the gospel of freedom beyond my particular hometown."


Dr. Martin Luther King goes on to answer other questions: "One may well ask, "How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?" The answer is found in the fact that there are two types of laws: there are just laws, and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that "An unjust law is no law at all."

 

Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine when a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law, or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. . . . To use the words of Martin Buber, the great Jewish philosopher, segregation substitutes an "I - it" relationship for the "I - thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things."


Martin Luther King responds to being an extremist, "YOU spoke of our activity in Birmingham as extreme. . . . I gradually gained a bit of satisfaction from being considered an extremist. Was not Jesus an extremist in love? -- "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, pray for them that despitefully use you." Was not Amos an extremist for justice? -- "Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream." Was not Paul an extremist for the gospel of Jesus Christ? -- "I hear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." Was not Martin Luther an extremist? -- "Here I stand; I can do no other so help me God." Was not John Bunyan an extremist? -- "I will stay in jail to the end of my days before I make a mockery of my conscience." Was not Abraham Lincoln an extremist? -- "This nation cannot survive half slave and half free." Was not Thomas Jefferson an extremist? -- "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." So the question is not whether we will be extremist, but what kind of extremists we will be.  Will we be extremists for hate, or will we be extremists for love? Will we be extremists for the preservation of injustice, or will we be extremists for the cause of justice?"

 

You see Flying Junior you fell into the sand pit trap of an antlion.  A lesser known sermon given from the pulpit of I assume his church is "A Knock at Midnight," about Luke 11:5-6. " "Moral principles have lost their distinctiveness. For modern man, absolute right and wrong are a matter of what the majority is doing. Right and wrong are relative to likes and dislikes and the customs of a particular community. We have unconsciously applied Einstein's theory of relativity, which properly described the physical universe, to the moral and ethical realm ... This mentality has brought a tragic breakdown of moral standards, and the midnight of moral degeneration deepens." . . .  And King knew that real hope and change can only be found through God's love. Here's how he closed that speech:  "The dawn will come. Disappointment, sorrow, and despair are born at midnight, but morning follows. 'Weeping may endure for a night,' says the Psalmist, 'but joy cometh in the morning.' This faith adjourns the assemblies of hopelessness and brings new light into the dark chambers of pessimism." "

 

You see Flying Junior about 93% of black keep voting in Democrats that in reality are no better then the governments faced by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr..   King divided the black community into three groups. I would put the black politicians and entertainers into the comfortable group that have succeeded and do not want to shake the boat for fear that they will lose what they have worked so hard to gain. 

 

The second group contains Black Life Matters, New Black Panther example Huey P Newton Gun Club, New Black Liberation Militia, Anti-Defamation League, Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS, and Antifa. I would include the youth gangs within our inner city, the black ghettos that are the product of 85 years of federal programs.

 

And the third is King's non-violent basically Christian and family based. The third group was the largest in King's day and I believe today is still the largest of the third.

 

The best description of what blacks have received after 85 years of voting in mass for Democratic politicians comes from from two black conservative economist Doctors. That has resulted in total control of the federal government for 32 years compared to 5 years plus Trump's year before 2018 election for the GOP.  "Walter E. Williams, a George Mason economist and author of “Race and Economics: How Much Can Be Blamed on Discrimination?” is not a fan of the welfare state that exists in the country. In an appearance on Thursday night’s “Stossel” on the Fox Business Network, Williams argued that welfare has done more damage to black society than slavery or Jim Crow.

 

“[T]he welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done, namely break up the black family,” Williams said. “That is, today, just slightly over 30 percent of black kids live in two parent families. Historically, from 1870s on up to about 1940s, and depending on the city, 75 to 90 percent of black kids lived in two parent families. Illegitimacy rate is 70 percent among blacks where that is unprecedented in our history.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/04/walter-e-williams-on-welfare-as-govt-plays-father-blackmales-
have-become-dispensable/#ixzz40GiegQWe

Comments

Flying Junior Added Jan 17, 2018 - 2:26pm
Thank you for a refreshing picture of the spiritual discipline of Dr. King.  I did not intentionally omit this important aspect of his belief system as a way of minimizing it.  Forgive me if that is what you understood.  I was just looking at one speech that he made and pointing to some resources.  I had hoped to generate some discussion.  I looked at one speech that was actually a sermon, but chose the 1962 speech to go forward with.
 
I agree with you that King looked to the life of Christ as a model of non-violence.
 
He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.
 
I however must disagree with your attempt to assign to Dr. King the arbitrary pigeon-holes that you have created for groups of black people.  These types of over-generalizations never serve the truth.  Frankly your talk about Black Lives Matter and gangs is vile and offensive.  You don't know anything about Antifa or really whether or not it truly exists outside of the right-wing propaganda you consume.
 
Perhaps we can agree that if Dr. King were alive today he would be frightened and horrified by our contemporary American society.
 
Although my liberal bias crept into my article with one oblique reference to the elephant in the room, I was really attempting to keep it non-political both to honor Dr. King and not alienate conservative friends.
 
It's too bad, because I was right with you brother until you attempted to interpret the life of King in terms of the disgusting politics of today.
Paul C. Added Jan 17, 2018 - 3:53pm
Who’s flying junior?
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 17, 2018 - 3:56pm
Flying Junior,  I thought you were presenting the image of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. that is expressed today is presented in more depth.   What we hear from the TV, radio, and in print.  Except for sermons which not fewer and fewer people hear the fact that he actually lead a congregation is ignored.  Non-violence is built into Christianity morals and morals is the foundation of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.  Men are not angles.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 17, 2018 - 4:03pm
Flying Junior wrote a few day ago on WB  and article on Dr Martin Luther King Jr.  which for some reason is not in the title.  I did have it in the title.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 17, 2018 - 5:47pm
A very compelling read.
Leroy Added Jan 17, 2018 - 6:53pm
If we want to complete the picture of MLK, it must also be said that he was a plagiarist.  He was a great orator and had the courage of his convictions, but his memory will forever be tainted by his plagiarism.  Should we overlook it or continue to believe some of his greatest speeches were borrowed?
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 17, 2018 - 7:51pm
MLK joins a very very long list of public figures and politicians that have been elected and re-elected even when it was know they were plagiarist.  I would like for you to present a source.  This is not something I hear about MLK.  What is plagiarist in some peoples eyes are not in others.  For example the speech at the convention of Trump's wife.  I commonly hear on TV people saying they like that name of short phrase because of the image it creates.  Make America Great has been used by at least three president candidates.  The song played by a candidate seems to be hear campaign after campaign.  Is the candidate a plagiarist?
Leroy Added Jan 17, 2018 - 8:28pm
Here are a couple of links.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/11/10/us/plagiarism-seen-by-scholars-in-king-s-phd-dissertation.html?pagewanted=all
 
Snopes apologetic says it is mostly false, then turns around and says it didn't meet academic standards.  I think that is code for if it was a white guy it would be plagiarism.
 
https://www.snopes.com/history/american/mlking.asp
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 17, 2018 - 9:05pm
I mentioned the name change at the beginning of my article.  I got the impression that MLK jr. was a child, not responsible.  The plagiarism from the NYTimes article didn't sound absolute clear plagiarism.  It appears to be in the grey area of short phrase.  the FBI issue is not plagiarism.  He cheated on his wife.  That too is common in public figures.  Men in general. 
 
Remember that Christ forgave our sins because God learned that man was incapable of living without sin.  Islam like the Old Testament Jewish religion are both judgemental with the standard being God.  In 550 BC Judaism while in exile in Babylon switched to salvation theology.   This change was the work of God.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 18, 2018 - 12:25am
Leroy: Snopes apologetic says it is mostly false, then turns around....
I find Snopes hilarious. It's always that there verdict does not match their texts. They are lucky enough that liberals don't read details.
 
Leroy Added Jan 18, 2018 - 6:21am
Benjamin, Snopes is just another fake news liberal website that purports to separate true from fiction.  It's a joke, but I included it for a reason. 
 
The truth is that MLK is an important American icon and historic figure.  And, he was black.  There would be an outcry, maybe even rioting, if he were called out on his plagiarism.  It wasn't just plagiarism; it was systemic plagiarism in my judgment.  Academics are reluctant to call him out on it.  It doesn't take away from his message. 
 
He was a very intelligent man.  IIRC, he never finished high school, going directly to college before graduating.  No one doubts his oratory skills and his power of persuasion.  No one should doubt his importance.  Yet, his history is not complete without understanding this part of the man.  I doubt a lot of what was said of the man, but I do not doubt the plagiarism charges.
Bill Kamps Added Jan 18, 2018 - 8:10am
Whether MLK was an adulterer or guilty of plagiarism just goes to show that humans are complex, neither all good or bad.   Whether he used attributions in all the appropriate places while a theology student to me is really picking at nits.  He was a young man then, and it is not like the content of those papers are the core of his contribution to society.  He wasn't Einstein writing on the theory of relativity.  Even given that, whether he was really guilty or not is debatable.  How many PhD students in this country didnt cut and paste a paragraph without attribution?  Which leaders, and who among us can stand up to this kind of scrutiny?
 
What he achieved later in life is what is important.  While the speeches and writings are important, to me what is most important is his role in helping to wake up the country to the government sanctioned segregation that existed, and then helping to put an end to it.
 
Looking at our society today, it is impossible to imagine that not very long ago we stopped people from staying in hotels, going to restaurants, and playing on sports teams simply because of the color of their skin.  Not very long ago it was illegal for people to have mixed race marriages.  A hundred years after the freeing of slaves we still had laws that relegated blacks to being second class citizens not all that different from South Africa. 
 
To paraphrase Lincoln, we still are working to form that more perfect Union, but we took a big step in the 1960s, when we stopped most of the explicit government laws that forced black people to exist in a different society. 
 
It may take a long time for racism to completely leave our consciousness and behavior, but at least the laws that supported it, and gave it legitimacy, have largely been eliminated.  King had a significant role in accomplishing that.
 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 18, 2018 - 8:12am
The impression I got from the NYTimes article was that he used phases that were found in other scholars in the same area, the bible theology.  The usual standard for defining plagiarism is paragraphs of exact same wording.  The NYTimes didn't say he did this or at least I missed it.   So that is why I say he is in the grey area where it is not absolute and yet is also present.   
 
The music industry alway has cases of charges of plagiarism and not getting royalties.   It just happens that combinations of words or notes sound great.   Is it plagiarism or is it great creativity to make the music sound great?  The standard in music is the same.  You have to lift quite a lot.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 18, 2018 - 8:31am
I wrote this article because the secular view the view that the media and government and political organizations want to promote is not the root of MLK or any of the founders.  They want to in effect change history by ignoring the parts of history that doesn't support their agenda. 
 
Bill K you have it right.  What is important is what they did to uplift the nation.  The part that secularism wants to ignore is that the nation is built on a foundation of God's laws not man's laws.   This is the most important words in the article: 
 
How does one determine when a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man-made code that squares with the moral law, or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.
 
The Declaration of Independence says Law of Nature and of Nature's God -- in a Christian society that law are the Ten Commandments.   
 
Dino Manalis Added Jan 18, 2018 - 8:34am
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a role model for Americans and society!
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 18, 2018 - 8:38am
For Muslims I do believe that the Old Testament is considered a holy book.   The Ten Commandments are in your heritage also.  If not then similar commandments are part of Islam.    This is a standard that you should also live by: Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust.  So the statements defining lower class humans is degrading of humans.   Slavery uses this argument of saying slaves are lesser humans.  It is a devil's deception.  
Bill Kamps Added Jan 18, 2018 - 8:45am
Thomas, secularism has a problem in that most of our laws, in most countries, come from religion.  This does not say whether there is a God or not, it is just that the people that thought about religion, also thought about what is moral and just, and from these scholars, came most of our laws. 
 
Even if we dont believe in God, we have to acknowledge the contribution of Christianity for helping to codify morals such that we can judge right from wrong.  The Ten Commandments may have been given to us by God, or just created from common sense, either way they are moral and not a bad set of rules to start with.
 
I have a problem when people go out of their way to find things, particularly in the Old Testament, that tell us how we should be living our lives.  We are not living in Old Testament times, and men do not own a group of women for their wives, slavery is not sanctioned, and we dont go around killing non Christians simply because they arent Christians.
 
Christianity may have given us the impetus for defining what is moral, but the Bible is not the last word on what is moral or not, and taking it's writings out of context to prove something obtuse shouldnt be done by the Christians.  Just because some practice is portrayed positively in the Bible doesnt make it moral in today's world.
Leroy Added Jan 18, 2018 - 8:58am
I agree with you, for the most part, Bill.  I will go even further and say it seems impossible that we could have slavery today, yet, we do and it is tacitly supported by the UN, which represents almost all the nations on earth.
 
"He wasn't Einstein writing on the theory of relativity.  Even given that, whether he was really guilty or not is debatable.  How many PhD students in this country didnt cut and paste a paragraph without attribution?  Which leaders, and who among us can stand up to this kind of scrutiny?"
 
I would take issue with you on this.  He was writing an academic paper for his Ph.D.  It was equivalent to Einstein's writings on the theory of relativity in that regard.  Yeah, sure, many students cheat.  When discovered, their academic papers are revoked.  Here at OB, we are not going for our PhDs.  Sure, there may be incidental mistakes or lack of attribution.  No big deal.  The ones who copy wholesale and present works of others as their own are called out, and rightfully so.  To say that many students cheat, so it was ok for MLK to cheat is ok is not correct.  It is like saying a lot of people murder so it is ok for me to murder someone now and then.
Bill Kamps Added Jan 18, 2018 - 9:08am
My point was that Einstein's paper was part of the core of his contribution.  If we found out that he didnt discover the theory of relativity, but instead copied it from someone else, that would be a big deal.  King's major contribution to us was not his PhD thesis, but the work he did later.  If he never wrote his thesis, likely his contributions stay much the same.
 
Yes we can still label King as a plagiarizer, or an adulterer, if we so choose.  I dont dispute this.  Yes it makes him less than perfect, as we all are.  A foul is a foul even if the ref didnt call it at the time.
 
Few of us have our PhD papers scrutinized later in life, and our ability to search for plagiarism today is far greater than it was in the 1950s.
wsucram15 Added Jan 18, 2018 - 12:14pm
Did you seriously just write an article to disparage Martin Luther King jr.? 
thomas..you have sunk to a new low...
When you do this type of thing, typically decorum allows for both sides of the argument OR they be alive.  Other wise, its just trash.
This would be somewhat truthful..but still denigrating a murdered black dead man by yet another white guy, I thought was perhaps beyond you.
Did he wrong you in some way?  Is there some legacy he left behind that is bad?  No you attacked his personal flaws, which I am sure you have a few.
Can you do any more to increase the cultural bias divide?
You know..at times you are an intelligent man, this is not one of those times.  We will have to disagree on this one.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 18, 2018 - 1:39pm
Who the fuck cares if MLK was a cut'n'paste guy ? The important thing is that he could make people think, give them self-coinfidence and awareness. And he reached a lot of people. Not by tweeting. And that's way more difficult.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 18, 2018 - 1:41pm
BTW: He also gave people in Africa the feeling that they're SOMEBODY. Unfortunately it didn't last, because the White Guy thinks he is The Guy. Fuck it.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 18, 2018 - 1:48pm
wsucram15  are you an idiot?  My article quoted Martin Luther King Jr.  From his most celebrated letter, Birmingham jail.  The second quote is from a sermon at a church.  Both MLK knew would have broad readership.  The third quote is also from a black man that described the economic situation in black communities that receive welfare.   Take you head out of what ever.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 18, 2018 - 1:48pm
Thomas
 
Come down to Africa. I'm sure you will have another picture. African Americans are not at all the same as Africans in Africa.
 
They can't be. Why ? Because African Americans have lost their roots. When a tree has no roots, a breeze will blow him away. And that is not depending on race. Roots mean you know where you come from and where you belong. If you don't know that......
Micahel Dolan Added Jan 18, 2018 - 3:30pm
MLK* A true brilliant leader and teacher. Then came a total opposite of MLK. A man who suggested he is the next MLK his name is Al Sharpton.
 
Sharpton was and still is a Racist-low-life Jew hater. Yankell Rosenthal was murdered by Black men after the Jew Hater-Sharpton had a rally calling Jews monkeys. Democrat leader-Al Sharpton a great friend of Hussein Obama.
 
Birds of a Feather!!!!!!
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 18, 2018 - 4:01pm
Stone eater, Walter E. Williams answer your question about what happened to the root of black Americans.  The Democratic Party is the party of slavery, segregation, and bondage to welfare.  They seek to own the souls of the poor. 
 
Benjamin Franklin provided one of the first descriptions of a welfare state,  "When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."  And here is another one, "Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."   Ben Franklin, Respectfully Quoted, p. 201, Suzy Platt, Barnes & Noble, 1993p. 201, Suzy Platt, Barnes & Noble, 1993
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 18, 2018 - 4:08pm
Al (not so sharp) Sharpton is a member of King's first group of blacks along with H. Obama.   Both what to protect their treasure.   At the gates of heaven they will be so overloaded with what made them happy in life to not fit through the eye of the needle.  They made their place on this planet at the expense of everyone else, Michael.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 18, 2018 - 4:26pm
Thomas
 
The Democratic Party is the party of slavery, segregation, and bondage to welfare.  They seek to own the souls of the poor. 
 
All this has nothing to do with a political party. It has to do with individual character, and, finally, herd building to ENFORCE the POV of that (originally) individual thought. Can work vice-versa too actually.
 
What you don't see is that you're being conditioned to a sort of black/white (conservative/progressive) drawer thinking and the ones who decide laugh about this.
 
Why ? Because they themselves are above that thinking of nationality, borders or culture. They concentrate on worldwide $. Because money has no culture.
 
That's all.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 18, 2018 - 6:19pm
Stone eater I need to repeat that the result of total control of the federal government by Dems for 32 years compared to 5 years plus Trump's year before 2018 election for the GOP.  "Walter E. Williams, a George Mason economist and author of “Race and Economics: How Much Can Be Blamed on Discrimination?” is not a fan of the welfare state that exists in the country. In an appearance on Thursday night’s “Stossel” on the Fox Business Network, Williams argued that welfare has done more damage to black society than slavery or Jim Crow.
 
“[T]he welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done, namely break up the black family,” Williams said. “That is, today, just slightly over 30 percent of black kids live in two parent families. Historically, from 1870s on up to about 1940s, and depending on the city, 75 to 90 percent of black kids lived in two parent families. Illegitimacy rate is 70 percent among blacks where that is unprecedented in our history.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/04/walter-e-williams-on-welfare-as-govt-plays-father-blackmales-
have-become-dispensable/#ixzz40GiegQWe
 
The Dems didn't stop with welfare, "We have a myth today that the ghettos in metropolitan areas around the country are what the Supreme Court calls 'de-facto' — just the accident of the fact that people have not enough income to move into middle class neighborhoods or because real estate agents steered black and white families to different neighborhoods or because there was white flight," Rothstein tells Fresh Air's Terry Gross.

"It was not the unintended effect of benign policies," he says. "It was an explicit, racially purposeful policy that was pursued at
all levels of government, and that's the reason we have these ghettos today and we are reaping the fruits of those policies."   http://www.npr.org/2015/05/14/406699264/historian-says-dont-sanitize-how-our-government-created-the-ghettos
 
Stone Eater, the murders by black gangs in the black ghettos in every city under Democratic party control usually for decades is that FRUIT. 
 

"The one bright spot in black ghettos around the country are the schools that parents are free to choose for their own children. Some are Catholic schools, some are secular private schools and some are charter schools financed by public school systems but operating without the suffocating rules that apply to other public schools.
Not all of these kinds of schools are successes. But where there are academic successes in black ghettos, they come disproportionately from schools outside the iron grip of the education establishment and the teachers' unions.
Some of these academic successes have been spectacular -- especially among students in ghetto schools operated by the KIPP (Knowledge IS Power Program) chain of schools and the Success Academy schools.
. . .
What is even more astonishing is that charter schools are being opposed, not only by teachers' unions who think that schools exist to provide guaranteed jobs for their members, but also by politicians, including black politicians who loudly proclaim that "black lives matter."
Apparently these black children's futures do not matter enough for black politicians -- including the President of the United States (Obama) -- to stand up to the teachers' unions. The teachers' unions produce big bucks in campaign contributions and big voter turnout on election day."     
http://www.investors.com/politics/columnists/thomas-sowell-if-black-lives-matter-why-doesnt-their-education/
 
  
 
 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 18, 2018 - 8:00pm
Stone eater I would like to get back to the fundamental question which should be asked around the globe.  Dr. Martin Luther King is not the first in history or continent to ask the question, however; those that asked were all not conquerors using force but conquered by changing the minds and hearts of the people.   You see humans choose the message they present when given the opportunity.  And the first followers almost always risked their lives.  "To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust."  
Spartacus Added Jan 18, 2018 - 9:55pm
Who’s flying junior?
 
A boat
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 18, 2018 - 11:15pm
Flying Junior is another author on WB that wrote about MLK with the present concentration on the secular message like the I have a Dream speech.   
 
The reason MLK nonviolence method took off was the family, church, and black community.  What is ironic is that the harsh policy of welfare in the south, segregation, and Jim Crow laws actually strengthened the  black community.  The construction of public housing and welfare in the north did not strengthen the black community.    Morals is the foundation of family, church, and community.   I hope Europe and America will be pushed citizens towards family, church, and community by their progressive policies.  
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 7:40am
Thomas
 
those that asked were all not conquerors using force but conquered by changing the minds and hearts of the people
 
That never worked in the long run. Why ? Because wealth comes before mind. And wealth is modern man's perverted survival drive.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 7:40am
It's all genetics, Thomas.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 19, 2018 - 8:04am
Stone eater then Christianity, Protestantism, etc. used force to get the large population of members.  
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 8:08am
Thomas
 
They didn't use force at first. People who can't read, write, and have no information about whatsoever will believe anything you say when they get the idea that YOU know something.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 8:15am
BTW:
 
What's the way to convince people of something ? By your appearance and gestures first, and then, by easy slogans which don't require thinking about. By appealing to emotions. Because emotions blank our reason. Trump understands that. It's an eternal recipe.
 
I guess even Jesus knew that. He was a real smart PR guy. That doesn't mean I don't respect his views, quite the contrary. If ever he lived or is a simple blown-up legend.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 19, 2018 - 8:41am
Are you shitting me with this, "People who can't read, write, and have no information about whatsoever will believe anything you say when they get the idea that YOU know something."  Humans are not this dumb.  They know,  "An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas, an unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal and natural law. Any law that uplifts human personality is just. Any law that degrades human personality is unjust. . . . To use the words of Martin Buber, the great Jewish philosopher, segregation substitutes an "I - it" relationship for the "I - thou" relationship and ends up relegating persons to the status of things." "  
 
Why do those people that can't read, write, and have no information about whatsoever  vote with their feet and leave the shit hole countries to go to westernized nations?   Because they are not stupid.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 9:56am
Thomas
 
People who can't read, write, and have no information about whatsoever will believe anything you say when they get the idea that YOU know something
 
Sorry, it's true. When someone has NO access to information and education and, even more, he doesn't understand it, how will he react ? He will believe his elders who also don't know but have organised a world view they can live on.
 
That's how religion started. People looked up to the sky and thought: What is this and "who" made that ? Why WHO ? Because humans think in "who's". They thought? How did we came here, and why ?
 
That's when god came into the game. They didn't know how old the planet is and that Boisei and Erectus were their ancestors.
 
And they also didn't know that earth may be one of 1'000'000'000'000'000'000'000 planets in the universe where people might ask the same questions :-)
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 10:02am
BTW:
 
You should get a view which looks OUTSIDE of what you believe, I think. One can't restrict his world view to some ancient PR books, be it the Bible, the Quran, the Torah or the Ramayana.
 
Just look closely: ALL religions are EDUCATIONAL at first. A follow-up for what the parents missed ;-) A behavior code for grownups who have not enough empathy to grasp that themselves.
 
Not a bad thing essentially. When not used for other purposes.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 19, 2018 - 10:04am
Why do those people that can't read, write, and have no information about whatsoever  vote with their feet and leave the shit hole countries to go to westernized nations?   Because they are not stupid.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 10:06am
Why do those people that can't read, write, and have no information about whatsoever  vote with their feet and leave the shit hole countries to go to westernized nations
 
Because in order to watch TV you don't need to be able to write or read....
 
And.......I don't like you way how you say shithole countries. Your computer or cellphone probably has ingredients which come from those shithole countries....
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 19, 2018 - 10:20am
I can use Lindsey Graham words Hellhole.  
wsucram15 Added Jan 19, 2018 - 4:35pm
no Thomas..I read what you wrote. But as educated as you may be..the missed ideal behind your Christian message is somewhat askew.  Although I really do like reading about MLKjr.
Thanks for the lovely article.
Thomas Napers Added Jan 20, 2018 - 3:33am
“The best description of what blacks have received after 85 years of voting in mass for Democratic politicians comes from from two black conservative economist Doctors. That has resulted in total control of the federal government for 32 years compared to 5 years plus Trump's year before 2018 election for the GOP.”
 
Quite possibly the most convoluted and grammatically flawed couple of sentences I’ve ever read.  Trump was elected in 2016 and sworn in to office in the beginning of 2017.  This means he has been president for 1 year.  Prior to Trump and on various occasions, Republicans have controlled the Executive Branch, House of Representatives and US Congress.  There is also a conservative majority in the Supreme Court for some time.  So after 85 years of voting for Democrats, blacks have lost a lot of elections, meaning they don't have "total control" of government.  Actually, no single party has ever had total control of government.   
opher goodwin Added Jan 20, 2018 - 6:56am
Dr King was brilliant - a man who fearlessly fought for freedom and equality, whose intelligence, compassion, eloquence and bravery told the lie to the evil snivelling white supremacists who are not fit to clean his shoes.
Unfortunately he was a product of his time and culture and Christianity was his Achilles heel. He used it, and its cultural status embedded in the black culture, as a means to rally support. Hopefully he didn't really fall for it.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 21, 2018 - 4:04pm
wsucram15, the Pope sent St. Thomas Aquinas out to defend the church against all other ideologies.  It is clear that he spoke for the church.  I personal think that is a very insightful method of determining lawful from unlawful and so did MLK.  Martin Luther was not the spokesman for the church of his day because he wanted to end the corruption of the church state marriage.  He said the Bible is the standard not the Pope.   Baptist like MLK also place the Bible as the standard and like Jesus when asked which are the most important of the Ten Commandments said the first, love thy God, and the second love they neighbor as oneself.  Basically non-violence and all men and women are equal.  Thus class societies are not lawful because they make one human lesser or more then another.  I can only poorly present Christ, Aquinas, Luther, and King's message wsucram15.  But their word are available to you.
 
Opher G., I really do not think MLK was a product of his time or culture.  MLK altered the culture of his time.   The problem is that those that were supposed to carry on the culture he created were easily corrupted or were never truly committed to King's culture.  It takes a few generation for a message to really stick and King did not live long enough.
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 21, 2018 - 4:22pm
Thomas N.,  the major legislation of FDR, LBJ, and Obama are outlined in the State of The Union speech of FDR in 1944, the Second Bill of Rights.  The big spending and social changing legislation passed with a Democratic controlled House and Senate.  That occurred in those 32 years.  Poor efficiency is what your saying Thomas N., and if we apply the same efficiency to the GOP for their 5 years.  They accomplished nothing, par for the course.   At least one for the three were controlled by the opposite party for the remaining about 48 years.  Giving both parties the ability to block reversing actions.  Thus the for FDR and LBJ's legislation a clientele were built up since the Dems controlled one lever of power.  SS, Medicaid, and Medicare are the third rail of politics.  Obama's health care and other legislation just as Wilson's legislation were opportunities lost because the Dems needed to block deconstruction of their efforts but couldn't.  As we see Trump with full control and even little support is able to deconstruct Obama's progress. 

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