Racism Expert Karim Fereidooni

 

ZEIT online has an interview with a racism expert. They don’t mean Trump this time. The ‘expert’ is a Muslim lecturer. His name: Karim Fereidonni.

 

He declines the need for an Antisemitism Secretary in the German government. I couldn’t agree more, but you will see what direction that takes. Just keep in the back of your mind that he says that the existing general anti-discrimination authority is good enough.

 

The authoritarian newspaper asks if students should be forced to visit holocaust sites. Fereidonni is open to the idea, but emphasizes that this must really be about all Germans not just those whose families migrated rather recently.

 

Then he drops the bomb and lies: “It is not yet settled knowledge that Arab youths are more antisemitic than their German peers.”

 

ZEIT finds excuses for antisemitism and asks if Muslims do need to ‘prepare’ a trip to Auschwitz differently because of their hard-hitting ‘Middle East conflict’ experiences. Thank goodness the Muslim expert senses that he cannot follow the ZEIT in their Jew-hating bias and says ‘no’.

 

Then comes the probable raison d’etre of the interview. To fight antisemitism, the Muslim suggests that Germany must become more of an ‘immigration country’. This expression does not even exist in English, but Germans often claim that the US and UK were ‘immigration countries’.

 

He also suggests that the Auschwitz visit be combined with courses that make the kids ‘aware of their own experiences with racism’. So Auschwitz becomes a convenient propaganda tool.

 

ZEIT asks the ‘expert’ how all these Muslims can be taught the principles of democracy. His answer: immigration should be seen in a positive light. It is a non-sequitur, but very convenient. Telling Muslims that men and women are equal is ‘patronising’, says the expert.

 

Instead of ‘patronising’ the Arabs we shall talk about all the left-wing talking-points of how hard the struggle had been (against conservatives – I might put in his mouth) and that the #MeToo showed in his opinion how we still have to progress. So making them progressive is enough for democracy. Why even talking about granting freedom to others, letting different voices heard, accepting election results and so on. ‘Democracy’ is all about being a leftist.

 

Demands to end ‘racism’ on posters cause resentments, says the expert and is right. People, he explains, will claim that there is hardly such a problem. “Racism is, however, like sexism a structural marker of German society.” Note that it is a marker of German society. Now, that is clear. If it is a marker of Arab society, is completely in the dark and requires more research, as he told the interviewer before.

 

Of course, liberals see schools as indoctrination centers and so Fereidonni advices that pupils talk about their grandparents if they happen to agree with conservative party AfD. Muslims are encouraged to talk about the impact on their lives the NSU murders had. The NSU murders were a serial killing, more than a decade ago, that killed about a dozen, mostly Turkish men and women. Of the three murderers involved, two had committed suicide. Only G-d knows what impact that should have on Muslims today, but it serves the propaganda.

 

Then he praises the idea of a student exchange program between East and West Germany. So the rednecks in the East see some civilisation. He does not say that, but moans how Eastern German politicians don’t see enough racism among their people. The left is still angry that these people have abolished the socialist dictatorship in their homes.

 

Why is it that Germans, Jews, Christians, and atheists alike, have to kowtow to Muslims? What moral obligation do we even have for them? It’s ludicrous and it’s disgusting how they abuse the memory of the holocaust for their own petty purposes.

Comments

Stone-Eater Added Jan 18, 2018 - 5:20pm
Antisemitism Secretary in the German government.
 
Yeah sure. Since 70 years it's the method to keep the German guilt complex alive.
 
One day the youth will come and say: Shut the fuck up about this. We have nothing to do with that.
 
I'm in no way against Jews, as long as they don't consider themselves SPECIAL - like some Americans do (God's own country).
 
But by keeping that shit alive forever they will only create new enemies who will probably ask the question:
 
Why are Jews so special that all other peoples who have the same desire not to be suppressed or killed in wars are not noticed or their wishes neglected ? Ruanda, Armenia, Russia, China, Sudan.....genocides....largely forgotten or....not worth to mention ?
 
Basically it's not about the Jews. It's about the US who wants to keep its stronghold in the Middle East, and in fact Israel is an inofficlal US state ruled by AIPAC.
 
I feel sorry for the majority of genuine Jews who suffer from that. Ask a young Jew in Tel Aviv. He will tell you: I don't care about this shit. I just want to live peacefully with whoever is beside me, Palestinian or whatever.
 
At least that's what I've been told.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 18, 2018 - 5:30pm
BTW:
 
Not all peoples and cultures want or are able to have a "democracy". In fact, democracy, as socialism, has never existed. It was always bread crumes for the masses, and elections which were really important for a country were NOT decided by the people but by the economy. Even here in Switzerland, the most "direct" democracy there is.
 
The West and its system is not the paradise for all other societies and cultures. It's not our right to bomb them into "democracy" which is no more than an economic invasion for resources.
 
We should respect and acknowledge other cultures as they are, deal fair with them and keep in mind: They want the same as us: Live peacefully and feed their families. It's not our problem if they believe in Allah or if they have a "dictator" in OUR eyes. We're not "god".
 
Is that so fucking difficult ?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 18, 2018 - 5:33pm
BTW2 Ben, I think you might disagree with my comments - but think about it ;-)
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 18, 2018 - 6:10pm
SEF: Yes, of course, I disagree with your comments.
- Jews don't present themselves as above anybody else in most places. In fact the English word for non-Jews is 'gentile'. Maybe, you think about who comes across snobbish and who doesn't.
- The only ones who nurture a 'guilt complex' are liberals.
- The genocides against Jews are also hardly mentioned. Of all the countries with traditional Jewish populations, I think, Morocco is the last to have a large population. The rest have all been driven away or killed. Meanwhile, the lie is spread that Jews do that to Muslims in Israel. Their number is GROWING.
- Not all peoples and cultures want or are able to have a "democracy". I understand this. I just say that all who don't get it shall go! I don't want to be mean, but Merkel, von der Leyen, Heiko Maas and so on may be happier in Sudan or North Korea. They don't get it. Just make them GO already, for Christ's sake!
- As far as respecting other cultures as they are, I'm all for it. I would take away the foreign aid immediately and free them from the plight of capitalism (I think the word for it is 'economic sanctions').
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 18, 2018 - 8:50pm
Then the raison d’etre of the internet. To fight antisemitism, the Muslim suggests that Germany must become more of an ‘immigration country’.   So then we should throw the principle of a nation state in the circular file, trash.  That is what the EU tried to be.  But the problem is that the EU is just a larger nation state.   
 
The real problem is that Islam from the beginning defines non-muslims as lesser humans.  And what historically has Islam done because of the belief?  HINT just look at ISIS.   So maybe antisemitism is the response to being classified in Muslim societies and less then human and disposable.  
 
So consider the response of the Islamic world to the largest terrorist attack.  "[I]f the terrorists were so far outside the mainstream, why did Muslims all over the world burst into joyful, spontaneous  celebrations when the hijacked jetliners slammed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon? Why are Islamic governments afraid to show "too much" public support for the war against terrorism? Further, why are all the governments that covertly support terrorism centered in the Muslim world?"  
 
How is this presented in Islam itself in its Muslim worldview.  "[A]ccording to the historic Muslim understanding, there is no separation between religion and government—what in Christianity would be called the separation of church and state, (which is part of Christianity Matthew 22:21). . . . Muslims have typically divided the world into two spheres, known as the Dar al-Islam—the "house of Islam" or "house of submission" to God—and the Dar al-Harb, or "house of war"—those who are at war with God.

Second, it means that Muslims have believed themselves to have a "manifest destiny." Since God must win in the end, the Dar al-Harb must be brought under the control of Muslim government and made part of the Dar al-Islam.

Third, since the Dar al-Harb by its nature is at war with God, it is unlikely that it will submit to God without a fight." 
  
I believe that the antisemitism is in response to the foundational principles and history of Islam, "Regarding violence against Jews and Christians, the Quran says, "Fight against those to whom the
Scriptures were given as believe in neither God nor the last day, who do not forbid what God and his messenger have forbidden, and who do not embrace the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued" (Surah 9:29). In other words, violence is to be used against Jews and Christians unless they are willing to pay a special tax and live in subjection to Muslims as  second-class citizens.    For them the choice is convert, die, or live in subjection. . . . First from 1894 to 1896 and then from 1915 to 1920
the Ottoman Empire the last to day Islamic empire Caliphate (God's Government) deported and murdered 1.5M Christian Armenians. A genocide topped by Hitler with the help of Islamic followers
assistance in the Middle East."
 
all the quotes are from: http://www.catholic.com/documents/endless-jihad-the-truth-aboutislam-and-violence
Michael B. Added Jan 18, 2018 - 9:32pm
Interesting. When I was in Germany, the only conspicuous minorities there were Turks for the most part. Germany imported much foreign labor from across Europe in the 50's when it began its remarkable recovery from the utter devastation of the war, but many Turks, and to a lesser extent Greeks, stuck around when others went back home as conditions in their own usually war-ravaged countries improved. Their asylum policy was and probably remains controversial among Germans themselves; pretty much all the ones I dealt with didn't want anything to do with becoming "another America". Germany's guilt, as Hans Frank said, will last a thousand years.
Mircea Negres Added Jan 19, 2018 - 2:52am
I grew up under communism in Romania. The government did everything it could to brainwash people. Besides constantly extolling the virtues of communism, it never mentioned the role Romanian troops played in mass murder of Jews alongside the Germans, but it didn't work too well because there was no way to disguise what had happened and the fact that life was shit. I came out of a country which tried to keep me ignorant as a guy who constantly searches for knowledge, while those who lived in countries where information was more freely available showed themselves only too willing to become targets of government propaganda and indoctrination. Almost no Germans alive today had anything to do with the Holocaust, and they ought to stop feeling guilty for shit they didn't do. By the same token, those who seek to perpetuate that myth in order to emasculate Germany, should be told they're talking crap and to pack their bags because they're doing damage to German society and undermining the country's national security. As for Arabs, they are as prejudiced as anybody else, and what makes it worse is that they're hiding behind their religion while they do it. Nice post, Benjamin.   
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 7:04am
Ben
 
I do agree on most of what you say, given that a "liberal" as you say is defined as what we call here a "Gutmensch" (what an irony how the word "good" can get a negative perception....)
 
I was once one of those "liberal" Multikulti fans. But now I'm against it. Why ? Because the whole idea was perverted by capitalist globalism and the "get together and be as one" has become "get together so we can control and exploit you easier".
 
Not sure if you understand what I mean. Hard to explain such in comments...
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 7:13am
Michael
 
The fact that Germany's people don't want to become "another America" or, also another France, has probably to do with the info we get from those places about riots in the streets and overboarding crime caused by immigrants. By the fact that those immigrants don't immigrate but import THEIR culture 1:1 to Europe and do not ASSIMILATE.
 
You can't compare a country like the US, which hasn't an old history, to Europe.
 
When I go to Africa I have to respect and follow THEIR way of life, otherwise I'm out or dead.
 
I guess we have the same right in Europe to tell people: "When you come here, you do as WE do. Otherwise fuck off. Even more so, when you get free housing and food here. I wouldn't get that in your place - and you too, actually. That's why you're here."
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 7:22am
Thomas
 
To fight antisemitism, the Muslim suggests that Germany must become more of an ‘immigration country’
 
??? Link to that ?
 
The real problem is that Islam from the beginning defines non-muslims as lesser humans
 
Link again. I said already, I've been living with Muslims as an openly declared atheist for 20 years, and my wife is one (African Islam, no headscarf, don't be afraid LOL).
You have no idea. When you put ISIS into the same popt witt the rest of 1 billion muslims you're a victim of propaganda.
 
You should maybe talk to an Imam who knows what he's talking about and interpretes the Quran correctly. I have several times and was impressed by the philosophy that stands behind it, although I don't believe in god stuff.
 
And my business partner and good friend in Senegal would rip your arguments apart in no time, believe me LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 7:23am
popt witt
 
Sorry for that newspeak European style ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 7:26am
BTW:
 
You should understand that ALL religions are used for economic geostrategic reasons. Especially in countries where the rate of literacy is low (and wanted to stay low) that system works.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 19, 2018 - 8:29am
Then your wife Stone Eater can open her Koran and go to the passages listed in my reference.  They are there.   You can then ask her if these passages are treated as out dated or history of what happened in the beginning of the faith.  The brutality in the Old Testament for Christianity are treated as history.  
 
Now I am not saying that a majority that live in western nations from a young age follow or have the believe of lesser citizens for non-muslims.   Clearly a minority does.  I have presented the survey of Muslims in Britain that shows  may a minority want to live in a Sarea law society.  It takes less then 20% of a nations population of activist to take over the government by revolution.     http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3533041/Warning-UK-Muslim-ghettoes-Nation-nationdeveloping-
says-former-equalities-watchdog.html.
 
"New Year’s day 2015, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi called for a “religious revolution” in Islam that would displace violent jihad from the center of Muslim discourse.

“Is it possible that 1.6 billion people (Muslims worldwide) should want to kill the rest of the world’s population—that is, 7 billion people—so that they themselves may live?” he asked. “Impossible.”

Speaking to an audience of religious scholars celebrating the birth of Islam’s prophet, Mohammed, he called on the religious establishment to lead the fight for moderation in the Muslim world. “You imams (prayer leaders) are responsible before Allah. The entire world—I say it again, the entire world—is waiting for your next move because this umma (a word that can refer either to the Egyptian nation or the entire Muslim world) is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands.” "
 
The Washington Free Beacon By Abraham Rabinovich January 4, 2015 12:10pm
Egyptian President Calls for 'Religious Revolution' in Islam
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 8:45am
Thomas
 
al-Sisi is right in Ummah:
 
Before it refers exclusively to Muslims, the ummah encompasses Jewish and Christian communities as one with the Muslims and refers to them as the People of the Book.
 
So what's the problem ? The Quran includes Jesus as a prophet and respects him. Just like Jihad. Jihad literally means "the way" not war.
 
Don't forget that, like Christians have Protestants, Catholics, any day adventists, Baptists and so on Muslims have Shiites, Sunnites, Wahhabites, Talilbé, Mourides etc etc.
 
But the BASICS are the same as your bible. Make peace not war. The ones in power have always used religion for their economic gains.
 
When the fuck do people get that ?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 19, 2018 - 8:53am
BTW: That quote of al-Sisi was confirmed by an Imam I know as well as my good friend in Senegal who is Muslim and who can read Arab in original. So I don't care what media tries to tell us otherwise - in order to create enemies - in order to sell weapons and start new wars.
Dave Volek Added Jan 19, 2018 - 11:32am
Thomas
 
Israel, a country of 5m people, is surrounded by its Muslim enemies who number 100m people or more. These enemies would like to take over this little chunk of land. Yet they can't. There is little unity in the Muslim world, both in their theology and their political organization, to achieve this goal.
 
There is no monolithic Muslim Faith.
 
I live a town of about 15,000. About 5% of the population are Muslims, most are immigrants working at a beef packing plant. If they were as warlike as you say, they could easily take up arms and slay most of the infidels here before the police and army could arrive.
 
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 19, 2018 - 11:48am
Thomas S:  So then we should throw the principle of a nation state in the circular file, trash.  That is what the EU tried to be.  But the problem is that the EU is just a larger nation state.
Exactly, and by linking the elite's pipedreams to Judaism they are just fostering the antisemitism that they pretend to hate.
 
The real problem is that Islam from the beginning defines non-muslims as lesser humans.
That is wrong. you describe the subjection of Jews and Christians correctly. As it comes to the 'value' of human beings, Islam is quite egalitarian. Everybody is equal as long as you obey. It is similar to left-wing thinking.
 
Michael B: Now, Turks are pushed aside to elevate Arabs. They only appear in public discourse in their capacity as Muslims and are otherwise neglected. A similar fate to the African American community.
 
Negres: Nice to here that you liked the post.
 
SEF: I understand. Often it is just words that obfuscate the common ground. I would call your capitalist globalism 'corporatism' or 'corporate cult'. We probably mean the same gaggle of people and their mindset.
 
I have included the link to the interview now. The immigration country/Einwanderungsland bit is:

ZEIT: Müssen aber arabischstämmige Jugendliche für einen KZ-Besuch anders vorbereitet werden..? 

Fereidooni: Nein, denn das Grundgerüst, das eine antisemitische Einstellung trägt, ist überall dasselbe – Juden werden in Verschwörungstheorien als besonders intelligente Strippenzieher dargestellt... Für den Unterricht sollten wir besser eine gemeinsame deutsche Erzählung finden, in der sich alle Jugendlichen wiederfinden – und auf dieser Basis über Antisemitismus und Rassismus reden. 

ZEIT ONLINE: Wie kann das gehen? 
Fereidooni: Wir müssen Deutschland endlich wirklich als Einwanderungsland sehen und anerkennen, dass alle hier lebenden Jugendlichen Deutsche sind.
 
Da fällt mir auf, dass für Fereidooni offenbar die Staatsbürgerschaft der Jugendlichen egal ist. Sind jetzt alles Deutsche. So so.
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 19, 2018 - 12:01pm
Thomas:  As far as I know do most Christians still consider the old testament as part of their bible and not just as some "history" backdrop. I think Roger Moore made quite a fuss over a ten commandments memorial. The Tanakh with its "brutality" isn't a cookbook, but a basis for discussions that can go any direction.
 
I hate al-Sisi. He is so phony.
 
SEF:
ummah : community
shariah : way
jihad : war
 
'Make peace not war' is neither the basis of the bible, nor of the Quran, nor of the ever revolution seeking leftism. Unfortunately, very few who claim to try to avert war are authentic.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 19, 2018 - 12:29pm
I don't know and particularly care about the Rothschilds and AIPAC. The IS is not wahabit. The US has started destroying ISIS after the Democrates have lost the election. ISIS was accidentally supported by the US because they supported any opposition against Assad. And THEY are first and for most Clinton and Obama.
 
Also ob der 18 Jährige aus Gaza Probleme in der Disco macht, weiß ich nicht. Aber Discos gehörten 2015 zu den ersten Orten, in denen die neuen Araber keinen Zutritt bekamen, weil sie sich daneben benommen haben.
Thomas Napers Added Jan 20, 2018 - 5:55am
Benjamin - Very sorry to use your comment thread for my comment below, but this chicken shit by the name of Xandu deleted my comment in his article and I see he’s spouting off more of his nonsense in your thread. Seeing that I draft all my comments in Word and he can’t delete stuff from your thread, this was the next best option.  I owe you one.   
 
Xanadu- “it might help if human population wasn't at 7.6 billion people and accelerating while showing no signs of slowing down”
 
In other words, you support nuclear war on the premise we need something to depress population growth? 
 
I have some good news to report.  Population growth is decelerating at an increasing pace.  By way of example, Japan’s population is in decline.  If it wasn’t for immigration, Europe and America’s population would also be in decline.  The effects of China’s one child policy will reverberate for decades.  No to mention that as a country expands economically, people tend to have less children.  With global poverty on the decline, this phenomena is the single biggest reason population growth is nothing to be concerned about. 
 
Even if population growth was something to be concerned about, what’s the magic number where everything goes to shit?  10 billion?  15 billion?  I’m sure there were people like you saying the sky would fall at 1 billion and every billion thereafter. 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 20, 2018 - 7:26am
Napers: Feel free! I had threads that meant more to me than this one.
 
To merge the topics a bit, I may add that Muslims are probably the demographic with the most children in the world. They have more children on average than Latinos and black Africans.
Utpal Patel Added Jan 21, 2018 - 4:00am
The authoritarian newspaper asks if students should be forced to visit holocaust sites.
 
It’s your opinion the newspaper is authoritarian.  By portraying that opinion as fact, we now must question everything written in this article. 
 
 
Then he drops the bomb and lies: “It is not yet settled knowledge that Arab youths are more antisemitic than their German peers.”
 
A wishy washy statement like that is neither a bomb nor a lie.  While I suspect Arab youths are more anti-Semitic, I would have no idea how to prove I’m right. 
 
ZEIT finds excuses for antisemitism and asks if Muslims do need to ‘prepare’ a trip to Auschwitz differently because of their hard-hitting ‘Middle East conflict’ experiences.
 
For obvious reasons, I’d argue the German people have a much different relationship to the Holocaust than everyone else.  Accordingly, the trip is a different experience for them and should be prepared for differently. 
  
He also suggests that the Auschwitz visit be combined with courses that make the kids ‘aware of their own experiences with racism’. 
 
I couldn’t agree more.  At its core, the Holocaust was about racism.  In each society, one could argue that hatred exists, with the Holocaust being the obvious final solution to all hatred allowed to escalate. 
 
As you can see.  I find a lot wrong with this article.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 21, 2018 - 5:34am
Students in India, not all, but many, I forget the sect, are taught about the Bolshevik Revolution. They know all about it and are fully aware regarding who is responsible, as I learned from talking to a few young Indians who were here on a student visa. They are also taught in school that the holocaust was a hoax. All the dark skinned people that come over here know that but they won't be the first to say it. They know they can't say that over here except in very private conversations. They laugh about how dumb we are. I've seen this more than once, and from groups that could not have known each other, in different parts of Canada. Only the dumbed down Western countries believe the holocaust happened. What I said about the Indians applies to the Chinese as well.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 21, 2018 - 5:39am
  If Western education approximated reality and the holocaust was actually real, there would be ten times as much education on the Bolsheviks and ten times as much on the Chinese Great Leap Forward. There would be ten times as many museums about each of these atrocities. But its hard to even talk about what was done in Bolshevik Russia to Christians. Even the worst of violent horror filled Hollywood movies don't approximate or even come close to what the Bolsheviks did to Christians in terms of torture. Holocaust holocaust holocaust - that is what we must know, and we must keep the knowledge alive.
  Non Jews were tortured, but they weren't Jews so its not worth remembering. All of them do not even equate to a single Jewish fingernail.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 21, 2018 - 1:03pm
There is something called "the four corners rule" in law. If part of a document is false the court must throw out the whole thing. Law is partly the science of finding truth and it is good at it. The rule is obviously a good one, at its face.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 21, 2018 - 1:22pm
SEF: I clear out your stuff so Naspers and the bitch can have a run. I had my tantrum on the bitch thread when he did that to me ... and to Napers and to Thomas, to Gilbert ....
Doug: I disagree with everything of course, but I leave it alone for now because you just wrote about too much at once and I don't really see where the discussion is going. Since you understand freedom of speech, your comments still stand.
Patel: You also make no sense to me, but I also miss a salient point at the lower end of this thread anyway, so I hand over to Napers. Your comment also remains.
 
Napers: Get him!
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 21, 2018 - 4:41pm
Please do not take me for an idiot with lies.  remember that it is not a sin to lie to those that are less human.  You say, "The Quran includes Jesus as a prophet and respects him. Just like Jihad. Jihad literally means "the way" not war."  Muslims considered Jesus a prophet but pick an choose what he said.  They leave out "love they neighbor as oneself."  Which means there are not second class humans.  "The Apostle said...'Who will rid me of Ibnul Ashraf?' Muhammad bin Maslama, brother of the Bani Abdul-Ashaf, said, 'I will deal with him for you, O Apostle of Allah, I will kill him.' [Muhammad] said, 'Do so if you can... All that is incumbent upon
you is that you should try.' [The Assassin] said, 'O Apostle of Allah, we shall have to tell lies.' He answered, 'Say what you like, for you are free in the matter.'" - Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, page 307"
 
Do you dispute, "Muslims have typically divided the world into two spheres, known as the Dar al-Islam—the "house of Islam" or "house of submission" to God—and the Dar al-Harb, or "house of war"—those who are at war with God.  . . . Quran says, "Fight against those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe in neither God nor the last day, who do not forbid what God and his messenger have forbidden, and who do not embrace the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued" (Surah 9:29). In other words, violence is to be used against Jews and Christians unless they are willing to pay a special tax and live in subjection to Muslims as  second-class citizens.    For them the choice is convert, die, or live in subjection. . . . First from 1894 to 1896 and then from 1915 to 1920 the Ottoman Empire the last to day Islamic empire Caliphate (God's Government) deported and murdered 1.5M Christian Armenians. A genocide topped by Hitler with the help of Islamic followers assistance in the Middle East." 
 
all the quotes are from: http://www.catholic.com/documents/endless-jihad-the-truth-aboutislam-and-violence    "

Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 21, 2018 - 4:48pm
Dave V.  5% of the population is more then enough to fill the ranks of ISIS.  Less then 1% of the US population are solders.  The most costly war in US history is the Civil War and only ~4% died.  WWII is third on the list and not even half.   Castro in Cuba didn't have more then 5% for most of the struggle fighting for him.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 21, 2018 - 5:02pm
Ben, please tell this to the Christian Armenians or Lebanese, "Everybody is equal as long as you obey. It is similar to left-wing thinking."  If have quoted the Quran which clearly defines non-Muslims as second class citizens.   Ben your saying welcome to slavery under the wip of Islam.  NO THANKS.   It is all yours.
 
Ben, you are reaching into other discussions when you say that I consider the Old Testament just history for Christians.  It is clearly a mix today of history and theology for both Christians and Jews.  God ended the promise land requirement in 550 BC so all the governance involved in the promise land is only history.  At the same time he switched from Judgemental theology to salvation theology.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 22, 2018 - 6:24am
Only Jewish deaths matter to Jews Thomas. They always forget their own sins and never forget anyone else's. Its a cult and everyone in it is a victim IMO. That's why I don't hate them.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 22, 2018 - 8:20am
Doug P. They always forget their own sins and never forget anyone else's.  So what.  So long as they do not treat anyone else as second class citizens which they can kill I do not care.  Jews in 550 BC lost the promise land and thus lost being superior to others.  They could not stop being sinners is why they lost the promise land.  That is what Jews and later Christians are taught. 
 
Muslims see the plant as the promise land that they are superior to others.  Being superior those they conquered convert, become second class citizens, or die.  Three options Doug P..   They have not had their exile to Babylon.  The leaders have not given up on the vision of Mohammad.  " “Is it possible that 1.6 billion people (Muslims worldwide) should want to kill the rest of the world’s population—that is, 7 billion people—so that they themselves may live?”  In a speech on New Year’s day 2015, Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi called for a “religious revolution” in Islam that would displace violent jihad from the center of Muslim discourse."  Washington Free Beacon By Abraham Rabinovich January 4, 2015 12:10pm
 
You see Doug their are Muslims that realize Islam needs its Babylon and al-Sisi is not alone,  "The entire world—I say it again, the entire world—is waiting for your next move because this umma (a word that can refer either to the Egyptian nation or the entire Muslim world) is being torn, it is being destroyed, it is being lost—and it is being lost by our own hands.”
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 22, 2018 - 11:38am
Thomas S: You are right. Jews and Christians are subdued in Islam. There is no beating around the bush. I meant that within the Muslim ummah, theoretically not practically, usual power structures like your rank in the tribe, your place of origin and so on dissipates. Theoretically, not in reality, women are treated differently, but as humans of equal value, under shariah. That is a sharade by and large. It is, however, the self-perception and a part of the reason why liberals are blinded when they talk to Muslims.
 
Off-topic note regarding the testaments: G-d still has judgement in Christianity and salvation for our sins is pretty much assumed in Judaism because most, if not all, biblical characters are usually tainted with sins themselves. It is seen as a given that G-d is forgiving.
 
I think you misunderstood Dave V. He is also mistaken.
 
Yes, it's true that a hell load of Muslims want change. Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Hamed Abdel Samad, Necla Kelek, Seyran Ates, Maajid Nawaz....the list goes on and on and on. Al-Sisi is not the only voice and not the best voice in this debate.
 
Doug: Quite a lot of Jews in the medical profession for the matter that we don't care about other people's lives, dontcha think?
Sam Nowaczynski Added Jan 23, 2018 - 2:01am
Utpal, your critique of this article is excellent.  Allow me to provide a few more:
 
Then he praises the idea of a student exchange program between East and West Germany. So the rednecks in the East see some civilisation.
 
No, student exchanges have been occurring since the beginning of schools, there is no dark ulterior motive at play.
 
Why is it that Germans, Jews, Christians, and atheists alike, have to kowtow to Muslims?
 
Based on what have you determined that anyone is kowtowing to Muslims? For someone that thinks they knows a thing or two about racism, you sound a lot like a racist in this article.   
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 23, 2018 - 3:53am
Maybe I respond to Utpal and Sam despite the fact that I don't understand them. They try to talk about the article.
 
Utpal:
It’s your opinion the newspaper is authoritarian.  By portraying that opinion as fact, we now must question everything written in this article. 
How did you determine that I portray my opinion as fact? Shall I include a "IMO" or "IMHO" in every single sentence that I write?
 
While I suspect Arab youths are more anti-Semitic, I would have no idea how to prove I’m right. 
If you want to prove it (why?) you can run a survey. They are freaking open about it. You don't need these trick questions that leftists use to prove how everybody is homophobic or whatever. Just ask, "Do you hate Jews?"
 
For obvious reasons, I’d argue the German people have a much different relationship to the Holocaust than everyone else.
How so? It is not obvious to me. How do German teenagers have a different relationship to the Holocaust than your children?
 
At its core, the Holocaust was about racism. 
The word racism has changed so much that we are not even talking about the same thing here. Hitler tried to breed his population into a higher race and he killed Jews, Romas, and Eastern Europeans because of the genes. One of the first things that the Nazis ended were interracial marriages. It is not just about some spectrum on a racism scale. (BTW the user xanudu has a similar breeding program in mind).
 
Sam:
No, student exchanges have been occurring since the beginning of schools, there is no dark ulterior motive at play.
Oh please, imagine you send your children from Arizona to California for some cultural enrichment.
 
Based on what have you determined that anyone is kowtowing to Muslims? For someone that thinks they knows a thing or two about racism, you sound a lot like a racist in this article. 
It's interesting. You do not say that Mr Fereidooni is a racist. Let me quote him again, “Racism is, however, like sexism, a structural marker of German society.” So he slams [liberals would insert an 'all' here] Germans as racist and sexist. That's very rich. By your liberal standards he is 'generalising', 'hating on', and blah blah. But behind this double-standard is in reality a different definition of racism (and it has nothing to do with the Holocaust). The liberal definition of racism is that, even though you can say any baseless shit about Germans, Jews, Americans, Russians, Hungarians and so on, you cannot offer the mildest and best substantiated criticism about Muslims, blacks, native Americans, gays, and other leftwing-ally goups. It is obvious how we are expected to kowtow.
 
I might add that to piggyback on the Holocaust experience, the left does sometimes engage in phony antisemitism outrage, but just strategically; like against Donald Trump who is no antisemite.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 23, 2018 - 4:32am
@Thomas re "You see Doug their are Muslims that realize Islam needs its Babylon and al-Sisi is not alone..."
  The muslims simply do not have the political clout to create an influx of muslim immigrants to the West, or take over the world. We kill the Christians over there and bring the muslims over here.
  Also reading Jewish philosophy, such as in the Talmud and many quotes (you can see them on youtube from the mouths of the sayers) show what Jews think of everyone else. Judaism is a direct form of elitism that sees only Jews as deserving. They run the country and admit to being the force behind multiculturalism in too many places for you to ignore, unless you had your holocaust googles on.
  Judaism is also exactly communism. It is Marxist/Leninist philosophy. They are one in the same and we are surrounded by it.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 23, 2018 - 4:33am
Judaism is a cult that HATES Christians and has no understanding of Christianity whatsoever. From when they are young, Jews are taught to never read the NT and that Christ was a ...he is boiling in excrement and semen in the pit of hell.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 23, 2018 - 2:07pm
Doug P. the actions of Jews that count are those of Israel.  American jews statistically vote in Democrats like Obama that puts Muslim interests over Israel's interest.   Hillary is not the president to continue Obama's approach.  Who cares what someone says until their words turn into actions.  Show me words that are related to even future actions.
 
This is a bunch of trash, "Judaism is a cult that HATES Christians."  Times have changed since 1940's.  American  a Judeo Christian  society have backed Israel since its formation in 1949.  Democratic Socialist like the EU and the present day Democrats have not backed Judaism.  Those are facts Doug. 
 
Doug again your off in your aim, " The muslims simply do not have the political clout to create an influx of muslim immigrants to the West, or take over the world."  EU Democratic Socialist are inviting  cheep labor Muslims to build their products within their countries.  Political clout comes with numbers as Lebanon learned.  Birth rate of illiterate Muslims exceed that of the Europeans.  When in Lebanon they achieved about half the population they demanded the government change to sharia law.   Doug the reason Lebanon in the first place was organized with Christians in the leadership role was that Christian do not define non-Christians as second class citizens.  Islam does define non-Muslims as second class citizens.  The Armenian Genocide from the Turkey Caliphate occurred less then two decades before Lebanon was created by Europe.  No Christian would accept any government that makes them second class citizens.  The Democratic Socialist have government as their God.  So they could care less what religions exist in their tyrannical government so long as they have power.  They will put the mask of praying to any idle put in front of them.    
Doug Plumb Added Jan 24, 2018 - 12:58am
Thomas re "Show me words that are related to even future actions."
   No shortage of Jews stating that they are the force behind multiculturalism. See The Jewish Plan For White Genocide. There is a warning at the beginning of this series of short clips saying some people may find this set of political clips offensive.
  This just means you should watch it, if you want to know the truth.
  There are far more Jews in politics, the press and the universities than Muslims.
  There are virtually no Muslims in high places in banking, where the interest rate can be raised without the people or their leaders having recourse if things don't go according to plan. That is where the real power is.
  Muslims just have numbers and numbers in no way translate to power. Power is found where the thinking process is controlled.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 25, 2018 - 4:40pm
Doug: Just to let you know. I am not allowed to see the video in my country. Google works with the German government to censor us.
Frankly, I find the idea curious that Jews would come together and agree to commit genocide on white people. Have you ever met more than one Jew at once, Doug? Jews never agree on anything.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 25, 2018 - 5:03pm
The only plan that came to mine was Hitlers.  I look at Israel and see Muslims that are government representatives and I am sure also employees of government.  Israel un like Muslim countries is a democracy where the Muslims participate.   Thus this 'The Jewish Plan For White Genocide' seem to be just another plan that people create.    I said show me action.  Guess what a plan is not action.    I see in history Turkey's christian genocide and ISIS genocide.  Show me a Jewish lead genocide of whites, forget the plan.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 25, 2018 - 5:05pm
Doug show me a trial of Jews planning to commit a genocide on whites.

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