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It's been awhile, but I'd like to address a problem that's bound to resurface in the near future.  Public bathrooms.

 

Last year North Carolina was forced to water down it’s "bathroom bill" that required transsexuals (everybody really) to use the restroom based on the sex designated on their birth certificate. Good for them. I think that is something each state should decide for itself, along with a lot of other issues. Meanwhile Texas (my home state) had a "bathroom bill" die in the House when Republicans lacked the cojones to follow through.  Good for us; for the same reason.

 

It's good that these measures failed because I think each state was approaching this from the wrong angle.  So, let me elaborate by proposing a different approach to solving this particular social/legal dilemma.

 

First it helps to recognize the cause of the problem.  Yes, social decay is the obvious answer but it actually goes even beyond that.  A bigger problem is that the world (meaning the left) has decided to define another objective truth (male/female) as a subjective question. (This seems to be a repeating leftist inclination.) Approaching the problem from this reality, the solution is to come up with a new objective criterion that will do the trick (route everyone to the correct facility).

 

Granted, whatever solution you come up with will only work until the left manages to subjectify that. But, again, that’s an ongoing problem I have no idea how to solve. It’s like the old adage goes; you can’t fix stupid (or immorality).

 

So… back to my solution. I say get rid of male/female designations for restrooms (and other private facilities) all together. And replace it with a penis/non-penis designation.  The having (or not having) a said penis being the only criteria to be considered in the determination of where to go.

 

One need ask him/her/itself one simple question.  If I have a penis right here, right now… use the penis facilities. No penis right here, right now? The non-penis facilities. Done!

 

 

We (society/the state/whoever) don’t care what’s on your birth certificate, what’s on your driver’s license, how you’re dressed, or what you “identify” as (male, female, or fiddler-crab). This is not a comment or judgment on how you identify, or what you’ve done about that identity, or plan to do about that identity. It’s simply an objective criterion to restore order and sanity. Penis here… non-penis there.

 

I know, I know… I can already hear all the "buts" followed by special circumstances. So, let me address a few of the obvious ones to help make things clear.

 

Wish you didn’t have a penis (when you do)? … penis facilities.

 

Wish you did have a penis (when you don’t)? … non-penis.

 

Think you’re a gal in a guy’s body (and vice-versa)? Immaterial! DO YOU HAVE A PENIS?

 

Think you’re a fiddler crab in a human body? Immaterial! DO YOU HAVE A PENIS?

 

Think you’re a gal in a guy’s body to the point that you’ve had Mr. Happy removed? … Congratulations! You have earned non-penis facility privileges. Why? Because you (right here, right now) don’t have a penis. (See the pattern?)

 

Think you’re a guy in a gal’s body to the point that you’ve had a Mr. Happy constructed (How do that do that by the way (rhetorical))? … Congratulations! You have earned penis facility privileges.

 

In therapy or consultation, taking preliminary drugs, intending or considering a Mr. Happy addition or removal? … Immaterial! Ask yourself, DO I HAVE A PENIS?

 

I know this solution may add a little additional pressure to the trans-gendered community in that it requires a certain level of commitment (some more than others…  heh, heh, heh). But I think commitment is a good thing. Like the old adage goes. Piss or get off the pot… or step away from the pot… or… you know what I mean. :)

Comments

Leroy Added Jan 26, 2018 - 9:20pm
We were better off in the don't ask, don't tell days.  As long as you looked like a male, you used the men's room.  No one was the wiser.  If you were a man dressed as a woman and used the women's room, no one was the wiser.
 
As long as I don't have to stand in long lines at public events, I don't care.
Flying Junior Added Jan 26, 2018 - 9:28pm
So I used the bathroom at the local Chinese restaurant for the first time.  I saw a typical sign that communicated both genders can use this facility with the pictographs of a figure in pants and a figure in a skirt.  This is very common.  The kids call it onesies.  Only one person at a time.  I prefer a traditional men's room so you don't have to wait for somebody who is taking a long time.  So I walk into a small hallway.  Turns out the men's room is a hard left that I really couldn't see as I walked in.  I just strolled through the door in front of me without really thinking.  First thing that I noticed was that there were several stalls.  Since there was no lock on the door I thought how strange.  Imagine a gender neutral bathroom where men and women use the same room with only the privacy of a stall?  Hmmm...  This is progressive.  As I stepped back into the room I noticed it was very clean.  There was no flower vase or anything like that, but it was a pretty room.
 
Then it hit me.  Thank God nobody came back there.  I did leave the toilet seat down when I left.
EXPAT Added Jan 26, 2018 - 11:08pm
Lynn Johnson. Do you really need government to tell you where, when. how and with who, to take a SHIT?
I drink a lot of beer, and am grateful to find a place to piss, no matter where it is. Sometimes the bushes will do.
May I have the audacity to suggest that you use your own brain, and not the collective government mentality. If a toilet looks unsafe, as in a park, or the wrong people by your estimation go there, then you can use your prerogative and go somewhere else! This also goes for ATM use.
It depresses me to hear how The Late Great United States, has fallen from Individual responsibility.
EXPAT Added Jan 26, 2018 - 11:12pm
P.S. Where I live in Thailand, the majority of toilets, are open to all, except in WESTERN hotels and restaurants.  Does it have something to do with toilet training?
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:40am
Penis = the world is your urinal
Bill Kamps Added Jan 27, 2018 - 6:40am
I say get rid of male/female designations for restrooms (and other private facilities) all together
 
I would agree with this, but I would go the other way.  In multiple cases I have seen genderless bathrooms.  It is one common area with sinks and mirrors, and individual rooms where people can go do their business.  These are real rooms, not stalls, and they have locks.  The system works fine, and eliminates the problem of there being too much or too little capacity for a gender.
 
To the larger issue, this seems like a solution without a problem.  It is already illegal to cause a problem in the bathroom.  Meaning harassment, assault, etc.  It is also impossible to enforce these new rules.  If a transsexual looks like a woman, and dresses like a woman, how will anyone know if they  have a penis?   If a persons who dresses like man goes into the woman's bathroom, because they lack a penis, would this not cause more of an issue, than if this person simply went into the men's room and did their business?
 
I dont know how often there are crimes and harassment related to transsexuals in the bathroom.  I would imagine it is quite rare, and happens far less often than the amount of debate on this matter would imply  
Bill Kamps Added Jan 27, 2018 - 6:46am
I would also agree with Leroy on this matter.
 
I have seen transsexuals who dressed like women, but were obviously men, in the men's room.  I have also seen transsexuals around the city who you would never guess were men, my guess is that they use the women's bathroom without incident. 
 
Let people go where they fit in the best, and if there are problems, then we have police to deal with the problem. 
 
Creating laws that are unenforceable is nonsense.  How will we know if someone is in the wrong bathroom? and who will call the police if they  are ?  We will only know if they create a problem, and creating a problem is already against the law.
Leroy Added Jan 27, 2018 - 7:17am
In the current atmosphere, we have created a problem out of thin air where no problem previously existed.  Today, you can be a man and say that you feel like a woman and use the women's room.  That's a problem.  Do we really want a pervert taking advantage of this situation to gratify himself by spying on your twelve-year-old daughter in the bathroom? For a man who identifies as a woman and dresses like a woman, it shouldn't be an issue.  But, for a man who dresses like a man and looks like a man to follow your twelve-year-old daughter into the bathroom, for his defense, all he has to do is say he was feeling like a woman that day.  There are no grounds for treating a pervert like a pervert.  Lynn's suggestion takes care of this problem.
 
The genie is now out of the bottle.   I really don't care if there are women in the men's bathroom as long as they don't make me wait in line to do whatever the hell they do that takes so long.  But, I do have an issue with a twelve-year-old girl who feels like a boy exposing herself in a men's room.  It puts all men in danger of being falsely accused.  Who could really blame a pervert for looking in this situation?  What if she watches you pee?  Is it your fault?  Too many issues that were easily avoided in the past. 
 
Bill cites good examples for separate rooms.  Separate stalls don't cut it.  It is illegal in some places to have a gender-neutral bathroom with multiple stalls, and it is with good reason.  Most medical facilities today have single toilet gender-neutral bathrooms today.  They make me feel uncomfortable.  People forgot--sometimes intentionally-- to lock the bathroom door.   I don't want to be accused of being a pervert for inadvertently walking in on someone.  Yeah, I knock, but I don't always hear the person.  It just worked better in the old days.  But, the genie is out of the bottle, and we won't likely ever stuff him back in.
Bill Kamps Added Jan 27, 2018 - 7:22am
But, for a man who dresses like a man and looks like a man to follow your twelve-year-old daughter into the bathroom, for his defense, all he has to do is say he was feeling like a woman that day. 
 
With the proposed ordinances all he has to say, is he has no penis.  Are the women in the room really going to examine him?
Leroy Added Jan 27, 2018 - 7:30am
"With the proposed ordinances all he has to say, is he has no penis.  Are the women in the room really going to examine him?"
 
My wife would...with her knee or foot.
Bill Kamps Added Jan 27, 2018 - 7:33am
Leroy, so you wife would check transsexuals by kicking them?  and if they really were a transsexual then she is guilty of assault?  Im not sure this solves the problem either.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 27, 2018 - 8:06am
Great article.  I was thinking what will now be on the door.  Well the first thought that came to mind since Monday I gave a urine sample to the lab.  The instruction sheet on the wall as an image of innies and outies, pennis, cleaning proceedure.   Maybe those pictures could be on the doors.   What you think?
Dino Manalis Added Jan 27, 2018 - 8:12am
Public safety must be maintained in public bathrooms, otherwise, solitary bathrooms would be safer.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 27, 2018 - 8:52am
OMG Leroy! What if its a German porn star and shes into pee! Now we have a whole other problem!
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 27, 2018 - 8:54am
Yours  is a sensible  solution,Lynn :)  I have written on this on a couple of occasions, it's back in my library somewhere. The story never seems to change. what I wrote on this two years ago still applies
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 27, 2018 - 1:14pm
Leroy >> We were better off in the don't ask, don't tell days.
 
It had less to do with don't ask don't tell and more to do with common decency and a society less degraded by a liberal agenda to fundamentally change the culture.
 
Leroy >> As long as I don't have to stand in long lines at public events, I don't care.
 
Fair enough...  As for those long lines at public events, and why... I just don't ask.
 
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FJ >> So I used the bathroom at the local Chinese restaurant... Then it hit me.  Thank God nobody came back there.  I did leave the toilet seat down when I left.
 
Honest, embarrassing, mistakes will be made. :)  The progression to lack of shame/embarrassment and the dangerous environment it creates (especially for women and young ladies) is the real problem.
 
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Expat >> Do you really need government to tell you where, when...
 
Nope... I would rather common social decency do that.  But when common social decency is under organized attack, something must fill the void.
 
Expat >> I drink ... beer ... grateful ... piss ... bushes ... toilet looks unsafe ... park ... wrong people ... Where I live in Thailand.
 
Sounds like a magical place. :)
 
I was discussing society and decadence the other day and somebody said, "If we could only be more like Thailand"... Oh wait... no ... nobody ever said that.  Anywhere.  Ever. :)
 
Expat >> It depresses me to hear how The Late Great United States, has fallen...
 
Me too... to the point that it is even debated that men can ever be women (and vice versa).  We're just a short step away from debating if men can self-identify as and thus be legally considered unicorns.
 
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TBH >> Penis = the world is your urinal
 
Living on the back end of about 50 acres with no neighbor in sight... you don't know how "liberating" that is. :)
 
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Bill K >> I would agree with this, but I would go the other way... one common area.
 
I wonder what the stats/preferences would be on each approach?  My guess is the not-common area (with an overwhelming number of women against it) but I could be wrong and the preference could change over time.
 
How about both?  Three facilities... Penis, Non-Penis, and Whatever.
 
Bill K >> To the larger issue, this seems like a solution without a problem. 
 
I wound guess a lot of women disagree with that.
 
Bill K >> It is already illegal to cause a problem in the bathroom.  Meaning harassment, assault, etc.
 
Which still doesn't mean you create an environment that facilitates opportunity for crime.  It's illegal to steal... we don't leave purses and wallets in our unlocked cars and say there should be no problem.
 
Bill K >> It is also impossible to enforce these new rules. 
 
You make it the law and enforce it as best you can.  Just like any other law.
 
People speed all the time... so no speed limits?
 
People steal all the time... so no theft laws?
 
People riot in the name of protesting... so rioting should be legal?
 
It's a straw-man argument.
 
Bill K >> I don't know how often there are crimes and harassment related to transsexuals in the bathroom. I would imagine it is quite rare..
 
Not rare enough... Transgender woman convicted of sexually assaulting girl
 
Bill K >> Let people go where they fit in the best, and if there are problems, then we have police to deal with the problem.
 
That's what we have... and it's a valid stance if you don't think this system causes problems.  I think it does and would like to go a difference direction... thus the post.
 
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 27, 2018 - 1:15pm
Leroy >> In the current atmosphere, we have created a problem out of thin air where no problem previously existed.  Today, you can be a man and say that you feel like a woman and use the women's room.  That's a problem.  Do we really want a pervert taking advantage of this situation to gratify himself by spying on your twelve-year-old daughter in the bathroom?
 
EXACTLY!  Out of respect for the women and young ladies that I care for, I would like to shunt the perverts out of their facilities and into mine where abuse is much less likely to occur.
 
The real problem is not the "using" of the facilities, but the baked in excuse gifted to perverts to be there in the first place.
 
Bill K >> With the proposed ordinances all he has to say, is he has no penis.  Are the women in the room really going to examine him?
 
No, the women don't have to. (Unless they are so inclined with the Mrs. Leroy foot test.)  The police (as you said) can handle that task.  But here's the key.  Having a penis is an objective observation, vs what we have today which is to delve into and deduce the pervert’s "feelings".
 
Leroy >> My wife would...with her knee or foot.
 
Amen, it sounds like Leroy and I know a few like-minded, independent women. :)
 
Bill K >> Leroy, so your wife would check transsexuals by kicking them?  and if they really were a transsexual then she is guilty of assault?
 
Maybe they (the authorities) can let her go with a warning. :)
 
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Thomas S >> Great article.  I was thinking what will now be on the door.
 
Hmmm... Haven't thought that far ahead.  I shudder to think of the suggestions... but would leave it to the more artistic among us... as long as I have veto authority. :)  Maybe we can have a national contest and vote on it. :)  Doesn’t that sound like so much fun? :)
 
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TBH >> Yours  is a sensible  solution,Lynn :)  I have written on this on a couple of occasions, it's back in my library somewhere. The story never seems to change. what I wrote on this two years ago still applies.
 
We're always looking for solutions... or at least some of us are.  Some are always looking to create new problems by chipping away at social norms and mores.
 
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Thanks all for comments...
opher goodwin Added Jan 27, 2018 - 7:03pm
Who really cares? Go where you want. There's really no big deal is there?
George N Romey Added Jan 27, 2018 - 8:19pm
Back in my NYC club days there were bathrooms first come first serve. Never a problem. The guys acted like gentlemen. Of course the bathrooms where people did their party favors. Just one big party with some Mother Nature calling. No one cared:
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 27, 2018 - 8:39pm
OG >> Who really cares?
 
Enough of us (for now)... to where yes, it matters.
 
I'll repeat... why we care... "The real problem is not the "using" of the facilities, but the baked in excuse gifted to perverts to be there in the first place."
 
For those who see so much of the world as subjective choices equating to whatever blows your hair back... no big deal...
 
George >> Back in my NYC club days... where people did their party favors...  No one cared...
 
I don't even know what to say about that... other than I'm grateful I've never had to be around such.
EXPAT Added Jan 27, 2018 - 10:31pm
Lynn:
"I was discussing society and decadence the other day and somebody said, "If we could only be more like Thailand"... Oh wait... no ... nobody ever said that.  Anywhere.  Ever. :)"
American ignorance of the world beyond their borders is legendary.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jan 28, 2018 - 5:32am
Poor ol country Lynn would lose his mind to be standing at a urinal in Thailand and have the female attendant wiping it down at the same time. 
Leroy Added Jan 28, 2018 - 9:17am
"Poor ol country Lynn would lose his mind to be standing at a urinal in Thailand and have the female attendant wiping it down at the same time."
 
Maybe you missed his point, Captain.  If they held it for you that might be a different matter.
 
But, it does remind me of the good old days in France when you had to pay to pee.  The attendants were always female.  Often, they sat at tables with direct views of the urinals.  I remember the time at the Twenty-Four Hours of Le Mans.  There was usually an attendant at the entrance, but, this time, no one was there, only a bowl on the table.   The guy before me made no offering.  I threw my change it ensuring that it gave a good clang.  We went to the pair of urinals, he on one side and I on the other.  Midway a woman comes in and demands money from the other guy.  He takes his hand off and reaches in for change and hands it to her.   Something similar happened in the workplace.  There was a couple of outside urinals, one at the entrance to a building.  A guy was peeing one morning.  A female college comes by.  As it is the custom to shake the hands of your colleagues, he takes his hand off and shakes her hand and then continues his business.  A high-level French executive came to work in the US.  A female was cleaning the urinals.  He comes in and does his business.  She files a complaint.
 
My point is that different countries have different ideas about decently.   That is the only relationship to the article that I see.  The issue, as I see it, is how to keep the perverts out who would do women harm.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jan 28, 2018 - 9:54am
Maybe you missed his point, Captain. 
 
Didn't miss the Puritanism Leroy. 
 
If they held it for you that might be a different matter.
 
Had that happen once at a club in BKK where the facilities were co-ed. I approached the toilet and a very cute girl came up behind me and did the honors including the shake and tuck then simply walked away. 
 
I felt so violated. 
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 28, 2018 - 10:28am
Expat >> American ignorance of the world beyond their borders is legendary.
 
I was discussing what nations were legendary for the other day and somebody said, "If we could only trade what America is legendary for, for what Thailand is legendary for" ... Oh wait ... :)
 
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JG >> Poor ol country Lynn…
 
"Nigger" by another name again, eh JG?
 
JG >> ... would lose his mind to be standing at a urinal in Thailand and have the female attendant wiping it down at the same time.
 
Not really... since I would wait for her to finish before doing my business (out of respect).  I would (lose my mind) if a man entered the women's facility for any reason while my female loved ones were there.
 
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Leroy >> The issue, as I see it, is how to keep the perverts out who would do women harm... Maybe you (JG) missed his point, Captain...
 
Again, that is exactly the point... but the leftist commenters here won't even consider or acknowledge that aspect of the issue.  Why?
 
Because, to them, the bigger issue is fundamental progression of society, and the normalization of once perverse behavior.  A few ogled, harassed, assaulted, or raped women/girls is a small price to pay for that progression.
 
Those of us who disagree (with the progression or the price) are simply derided as backward and un-woke... with little actual discussion of the real issue.
 
Side Note: Let me at least give Bill Kamps credit for mentioning the real issue even though he dismissed it out of hand... (why there is "little" instead of "no" actual discussion).
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jan 28, 2018 - 11:23am
I would wait for her to finish before doing my business (out of respect)
 
Reading comprehension Lynn, very important. As I wrote: to be standing at a urinal in Thailand and have the female attendant wiping it down at the same time. You're already there with the stream going and she walks over and begins wiping down your urinal. 
 
 (out of respect) - Your admission that you would because no disrespect was intended or received. 
 
"Nigger" by another name- Your words not my thoughts. Interesting jerk of the knee though. It always amuses me when those who admit they can't compete and move somewhere people incapable of doing so get butthurt when someone recognizes that. I have no personal animus my disgust is with those that can't compete insisting the rest of us be dragged down to their level. 
 
 I would (lose my mind) if a man entered the women's facility for any reason while my female loved ones were there.
 
So you subscribe to the feminist mantra that anything with a "Y" chromosome is inherently evil. How sad. 
 
the leftist commenters here won't even consider or acknowledge that aspect of the issue
 
If that is in part directed to me then you're way the hell off the mark. Leftist is the last thing I'd be. 
 
What I AM is someone who has traveled the planet extensively for more than five decades thereby seeing and experiencing many many things you're clearly incapable of imagining. As such I don't measure or judge the entire planet by the sensibilities of the place I grew up nor by what the madman in the pulpit screams every sunday morning to boost the collection take. 
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 28, 2018 - 12:19pm
JG >> Reading comprehension Lynn, very important...
 
"Your already there"... seems to be missing from the original scenario... sorry for my inability to completely read you mind.
 
Let me help you out...
 
“Poor ol country Lynn would lose his mind to be standing at a urinal in Thailand and have the female attendant (come in and start) wiping it down at the same time.”
 
See... details can be very important in conveying the image you desire to express...
 
JG >> Your words not my thoughts...
 
I gave you the benefit of the doubt once before... out of hope and respect.  Your intent (and thoughts) are obvious.  You use the epithet, feel smug, then pretend it was not your intent when called on it.  It says more about you, than me.
 
JG >> If that is in part directed to me...
 
It was.
 
JG >> What I AM is someone who has traveled the planet extensively ...
 
Yes, yes... we're reminded regularly of that worldly experience which has bestowed upon you the superior wisdom we should all acquiesce to.  But what hope do we poor ol country, white trash, religious, niggers have to even fathom what you bestow from on high?
opher goodwin Added Jan 28, 2018 - 7:16pm
I still don't see the big deal. In Paris they have pissoirs in the street where you piss in full view. I guess we have different sensibilities. It wouldn't worry me one bit.
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 28, 2018 - 7:23pm
JG >> Off you go now.
 
As you wish... but if it's my post... I'll do the dismissing...
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 28, 2018 - 7:31pm
>> I still don't see the big deal. 
 
Yes, Opher... because you look at this as an issue of where you piss.
 
I'll repeat...(for about the 3rd time)... "The real problem is not the "using" of the facilities, but the baked in excuse gifted to perverts to be in the women's facilities in the first place."
 
Bill Caciene Added Jan 29, 2018 - 11:22am
Assuming this article was an attempt at comedy, I didn’t find it very funny. It’s not funny because it obviously shows a lot of ignorance and insensitivity regarding transgenders.  Please note, I could care less about transgenders or anyone else's sexual orientation.  I find these bathroom bills and this article to be a colossal waste of time and effort.  With so many grand problems for our government to deal with, why are you wasting time on something so meaningless.  After all, less than .5% of the population is transgender and 100% of the population is saddled with $20 trillion of National Debt.  So I’m hoping this was simply a poor effort at some comedy and you have better things to do with your time. 
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 29, 2018 - 11:47am
Bill C >> Assuming this article was an attempt at comedy, I didn’t find it very funny.
 
It was humor designed to expose and address a real problem.
 
Bill C >> It’s not funny because it obviously shows a lot of ignorance and insensitivity regarding transgenders. 
 
Ignorance?  How so?  Born that way?  Not a psychological disorder?  Stuff like that?
 
Insensitivity?  Probably... I don't do sensitive very well. :) 
 
Bill C >> Please note, I could care less about transgenders or anyone else's sexual orientation.
 
I would like to, but the social agenda of the left (which includes the LGBTQQIP2SAA community) makes that near impossible.
 
Bill C >> I find these bathroom bills and this article to be a colossal waste of time and effort.
 
Meaning, you want things to stay as they are and not address the problems associated.  You are not alone.  That is the stance of the left as it seeks to fundamentally change (degrade) the American culture.
 
Bill C >> With so many grand problems for our government to deal with, why are you wasting time on something so meaningless. 
 
Existence of other problems (grand or otherwise) does not mean you MUST ignore everything else (or even a subset, or even one issue).  It's a straw-man argument.  Just admit that you like the direction things are going and leave it at that.
 
Bill C >> After all, less than .5% of the population is transgender...
 
And yet they have managed to create so much social and moral upheaval; well beyond what their meager percentage should.
 
Bill C >> and 100% of the population is saddled with $20 trillion of National Debt. 
 
A "grand" problem to be sure... and one I concur should be addressed... and ... another topic.
 
Bill C >> So I’m hoping this was simply a poor effort at some comedy and you have better things to do with your time.
 
It's wasn't.  I don’t.  But thank you for your comments.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jan 29, 2018 - 3:30pm
" Yes, social decay is the obvious answer but it actually goes even beyond that. "
 
Go San Francisco and you do not need public bathrooms. Just pick a spot  and get  yer relief.  The bums do not seem to dislike the stench.
Bill Caciene Added Jan 30, 2018 - 9:51am
Deciding what bathroom less than .5% of the population must use is not a real problem.  It’s not like transvestites are a new phenomenon, they’ve been going to the bathroom for years and I’m not aware of a single incident.  What are you so concerned about?
 
I’m as ignorant as you regarding the psychological things happening in a transvestite’s life.  The one thing I know is that I don’t care who other people choose to have sex with.  I don’t think you do either, but you do want to be mean and nasty towards transvestites for reasons I don’t understand.  So I find you very much unfunny and an ass.  At least you’re also not a liberal. 
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 30, 2018 - 10:48am
BC >> Deciding what bathroom less than .5% of the population must use is not a real problem.
 
Since I'm repeating this... (for about the 4th time) ... I assume you haven't read the comments.  So... again ... "The real problem is not the 'using' of the facilities, but the baked in excuse gifted to perverts to be in the women's facilities in the first place."
 
BC >> It’s not like transvestites are a new phenomenon...
 
You are correct... what is new is this phenomenon being used to attack and fundamentally change American society.
 
BC >> I’m not aware of a single incident.  What are you so concerned about?
 
Back to the comments earlier... I will repeat and relink... what I am concerned about...
 
Transgender woman convicted of sexually assaulting girl...
 
https://nypost.com/2017/10/20/transgender-woman-convicted-of-sexually-assaulting-girl/
 
There… you can no longer say “I’m not aware of a single incident”.
 
BC >> I’m as ignorant as you regarding the psychological things happening in a transvestite’s life.
 
Maybe, maybe not.  I make no assumptions on your state of ignorance.
 
I aware that "Gender Dystopia" (formerly “Gender Identity Disorder") is a diagnosis recognized by the American Psychiatric Association.  For now... They'll normalize the behavior soon enough from social/political pressure.
 
BC >> The one thing I know is that I don’t care who other people choose to have sex with.  I don’t think you do either...
 
You are correct.  What I do care about is the social agenda of a small minority that goes beyond who they have sex with.
 
BC >> ... but you do want to be mean and nasty towards transvestites for reasons I don’t understand. 
 
I'll try to help (you understand) ...
 
I, as part of my basic nature, don't pretend a falsehood/lie is true.  In this case, I won't pretend that a man can ever be a woman or vice-versa any more than I would pretend he/she could be a fiddler crab.  It is the agenda of the LGBTQQIAAP community (and the left) that I (everybody) do so... OR face social and financial consequences.
 
The world would define that (and the exposure of other problems it causes) as "mean and nasty"... OK.  It's not the only derogatory label I wear with pride. :)
 
BC >> So I find you very much unfunny and an ass.
 
Unfunny?  Please... I'm hilarious! :)
 
Ass?  Get in line. :) (meaning everybody thinks that)
 
BC >> At least you’re also not a liberal.
 
Thank you.  I am indeed not a liberal.  I am a conservative (social and fiscal).
 
Despite my bluntness, I do appreciate your comments and perspective.  We simply disagree. 
 
I also respect that you get conservatism half-right (fiscally). :)
 
Bill Kamps Added Jan 30, 2018 - 12:18pm
Lynn, I said the new proposed laws are unenforceable, and you said, well we "dont catch all speeders, etc"
 
However, we have a whole section of the police called traffic police, whose job it is to catch, and discourage speeding.  So while they cant enforce the law 100%, some significant effort is made at enforcement.  I see traffic police on the highway every day.  So I guess to enforce this law we would need a penis police, who would station themselves at various public restrooms and do a check?  Creating laws and then making no effort to enforce them, really is a pointless exercise and undermines the law in general.  So how would people in favor of this law, plan to enforce it, and what will that cost?
 
Im not saying there NEVER is a problem in public restrooms.  However, I have talked to a number of women about this matter, and their response in general is this is not a problem they think about.  They would rather have the current situation, than have situations where people look like men, but have no penis in the restroom.  Because someone who appears to look like a guy, in the women's room causes more of a problem than someone who looks like woman, but has a penis, which they dont ever see.
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 30, 2018 - 2:11pm
BK >> So I guess to enforce this law we would need a penis police, who would station themselves at various public restrooms and do a check?
 
Do you really insist that I address straw men like this?
 
OK… Do we have special police force on every street corner known as the jay-walking police?  Do cities have dedicated shop-lifting divisions?
 
No, the police enforce these laws when in the course of their daily patrol they see something, or they are called.
 
There can be a law.  It can be enforced as needed, just like thousands of other laws that rarely require action, but are still on the books (and should be).
 
Now if I had said there should be a law, and there should be a police officer assigned to every restroom to enforce it, then you would have legitimate grounds to say, that's stupid, that's too expensive, etc... I didn't propose that, so don't pull it out of thin air and try and make me defend it.  You're wasting our time.
 
It would be better (and more intellectually honest) to simply say.  "I don't want this law.  I like things the way they are.  I don't think this problem is that bad.  I think the few instances of wrongdoing are worth what we gain socially."  These are legitimate positions.  Go with it.  Defend it.  Argue why it's better than what I propose.  I'll do the same.
 
BK >> Creating laws and then making no effort to enforce them, really is a pointless exercise and undermines the law in general. 
 
Agreed.  So, don't do that, with this are with any other law. 
 
But don't pretend anything short of posting an officer at every restroom is in fact making no effort at enforcement.
 
BK >> So how would people in favor of this law, plan to enforce it, and what will that cost?
 
I think I answered that question above.  Like thousands of other laws, it would be enforced when an officer sees something as he goes about his normal patrol OR was summoned by a citizen who witnessed or suspected the law has been broken.  Thus, it is adequately enforced, AND at minimal cost.
 
BK >> Im not saying there NEVER is a problem in public restrooms. 
 
Good. Because I definitely debunked that.
 
And I'm not saying the problems mentioned occur on an excessive basis.  But I am saying that the frequency and potential for increased abuse make a change in law desirable.
 
BK >> However, I have talked to a number of women about this matter, and their response in general is this is not a problem they think about. 
 
Agreed.  But who does think about crime... until it bites them on the ass.  Do you think about being murdered, or robbed, or harassed on a regular basis?  I submit, how often we think about something has no correlation as to if it should be illegal.
 
BK >> They would rather have the current situation, than have situations where people look like men, but have no penis in the restroom.
 
This is fascinating.  How extensively have you talked to women about this?  I'm genuinely interested in the actual "number" you mention above.  Two, five, fifty?
 
When you were discussing the people without penises in the women's facility who look like men, were you referring to eunuchs or women?  How detailed were these discussions?
Lynn Johnson Added Jan 30, 2018 - 2:12pm
BK >> Because someone who appears to look like a guy, in the women's room causes more of a problem than someone who looks like woman, but has a penis, which they dont ever see.
 
Again... just how detailed were these discussions?
 
What about a guy (with a penis) that looks like a guy but "identifies" deep down in his (ooops her) soul as a woman.  As things are now, as you want them to stay... the deciding factor isn't anything objective (like a penis) it is based solely on the subjective stated feelings of the guy in the restroom... and nothing else.  Really… as the left (and you) would have the law; ANYTHING goes.
 
I'll also say that I suspect you and I hang around different subsets of women based on the "general responses" of the women you've talked to.  I have to admit that my discussions with women on the subject seem much less numerous and detailed than yours... but the "general response" I have observed is more like "I'd kick his balls though the roof of his mouth". :)
 
FYI...
About half of U.S. adults (51 percent) say people should be able to pee where their identity takes them. Men appear to skew that number: Fifty-five percent are opposed to that idea, compared with 45 percent of women. - Pew Research Center
 
44 percent of women were okay with letting a transgender person use the women’s restroom, while 39 percent said they’d rather people use facilities that match their birth gender. -- A Reuters survey
 
I would suspect both surveys are skewed to the left (based on the order and phrasing of the questions).  I doubt the anything goes scenario (what is truly advocated by the left) was presented.
 
Thank you for the comments and the opportunity to further clarify and support my stance on the issue.
Bill Kamps Added Jan 31, 2018 - 9:51am
Like thousands of other laws, it would be enforced when an officer sees something as he goes about his normal patrol OR was summoned by a citizen who witnessed or suspected the law has been broken.  Thus, it is adequately enforced, AND at minimal cost.
 
If a transgender woman, one with a penis, enters a woman's restroom, and doesnt cause a disturbance, just how will the law be enforced?  This is the most likely situation, since I would imagine millions of times a day a transgender goes into a restroom without incident.
 
You say if the officer sees something as he going about his normal patrol, but "he" will see something only if he is a woman in a restroom, and only if she examines the other "women" in the rest room.  Even if they suspect someone is in the wrong restroom, but not causing a problem, are they really going to do an on the spot examine? 
 
You say women would:  "I'd kick his balls though the roof of his mouth". :)  but how will they KNOW he has balls ??  are they going to do an examine of every woman in the restroom with them?
 
I guess I hang out with much less violent women than you do.  Most people I know subscribe to the live and let live point of view.  If people are not causing a problem, leave them alone.  If they are causing a problem, we already have laws in place to deal with it. 
 
Leroy Added Jan 31, 2018 - 7:59pm
Bill, I guess it is a matter of whether or not you would be comfortable with a man alone in the same bathroom with your 12-year-old daughter, granddaughter, or niece who may or may not have designs on her.  I am not.