The question of the hour …… WHEN IS INTERVENTION in someone else’s country not a war?


Somehow Tubularsock recalls Fat-Tweet-Trump on the campaign trail in October of 2016 saying, “What we should do is focus on ISIS. We should not be focusing on Syria, you’re going to end up in World War III over Syria if we listen to Hillary Clinton.”


Well, Tubularsock figures that FTT did listen to Hillary Clinton and this last week Secretary of State Rex Tillerson announced that the United States with several thousand troops on the ground in Syria will keep those troops there until the government of President Bashar al-Assad is overthrown.


Though in truth we never really left the idea … and like Obummer before him, Orange Tweet just lied.


Which makes him in with Obummer and the Witch Clinton. However Trump’s stay in Syria will be the most “Bigly” stay “Ever”! No one’s stay in Syria has EVER been as BIGLY!


Just goes to show you how weak and slimy Fat-Tweet-Trump happens to be. All the signs of a small dick. Thank you Stormy.



But Tubularsock would say that Secretary of State Rex Tillerson statement is what really takes the cake as when he spouted, “President Bashar al-Assad regime is corrupt, and its methods of governance and economic development have increasingly excluded certain ethnic and religious groups.”


And Saudi Arabia? Israel? Ukraine? Sounds pretty close to all of them but we’re not sending troops into those “allies” countries, now are we …… yet.


It appears that Tillerson is getting confused between the actions of the Assad Administration and the actions of the Trump Administration and their social and economic policies toward their respective citizens.


Oh well, who counts?


So let’s get real and down right personal. Has a Syrian EVER caused YOU any harm in your entire life?




You see, that is why 9/11 shouldn’t be taken so seriously by Americans. Our country 9/11’s Syria EVERYDAY and that seems to be accepted by the American public. So let’s get over those damn 3000 dead and move on.


The U.S. 9/11’ed Iraq, Libya, and even Yemen and we want to push on to Iran!


And you recall the American’s silly question after 9/11, right?


“Why did they attack us?”
And the Bush Administration said it was BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOM?


Yeah …… our freedom to blow them up at will. Our freedom to “influence” their elections. Our freedom to take their resources.


If this question and answer seems ridiculous to you then you are on the correct track.


If this is still your question, then ask yourself which country in the world has been at war 222 out of 239 Years of its existence? Our country has been at war 93% of our time calculated as of March 19, 2017. (






And our goal is to destabilize the country or regions in order to control. The United States has no interest in the people but with their resources and geographic positioning.


That is why we’ll bomb a village, town, or city to “save” it! OH, but ONLY in the name of humanity!


So in truth 9/11 was just “blowback” we deserved.


But American’s were made to believe that “THEY” did it to us!






Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:22am
One can wake up or one can stay asleep. You are going to die one day either way. But if you are curious you may wish to know more rather than less, just for fun at cocktail parties.
Bill Caciene Added Jan 27, 2018 - 5:03am
Perhaps you didn’t notice the boats full of desperate Syrians fleeing the country.  They’re not fleeing because their afraid of being shot by Americans, they’re fleeing because Assad wishes them harm and has the means to inflict a lot of harm.  America can sit back and allow the slaughter to continue or we can intervene.  You tell me, are you OK with dead little kids washing up Greek beaches or do you think we should try and help?  As for Trump’s campaign rhetoric being different than his actions while president, name one president who did everything he said he would do? 
Bill Kamps Added Jan 27, 2018 - 7:05am
Regime change has been a USA tradition for decades.  We do it so often we dont even realize we are doing it.  Often times the results are worse, or no better than the problem we are trying to fix.  See Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Libya.  The issue is that the problem is often not just the leader of the regime, but  the politics of the region, and that is not easy to fix. 
Bill Kamps Added Jan 27, 2018 - 7:16am
Does anyone really believe that if Assad were removed tomorrow, the situation in Syria would be better ?  What is going to replace him, and why would the civil war stop?  Its not like Thomas Jefferson, and Ben Franklin are waiting in the wings to set up a democracy that all the people will support. 
People get the government they deserve, Joseph de Maistre.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 27, 2018 - 9:21am
Tubularsock, good article.
@ Bill Caciene
In 2007, former NATO Supreme Commander, US General Wesley Clark, blew the whistle on the War Plans brought out by the Pentagon/CIA only weeks after 9/11 to change the regimes in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and at THE END, Iran.
Republican Bush did Iraq in 2003. Democrat Obama did Libya and attempted in Syria in 2011 but was stopped by the Russians when they entered the Syrian World War only in 2015. Now Trump has announced he will follow that 2001 US War Plan, continuing the US regime change plans for Syria and leading to THE END with Iran.
While Americans are in denial, the rest of the world knows the US went to the United Nations Security Council with false, made up evidence, asking for the UN sanctioned Legal Authority to invade Iraq and change the Saddam regime, who was a useful tool for the US when he started the brutal 8 year war against Iran in 1980, to nip the '79 Revolution in the bud.
The UNSC denied the US permission to invade Iraq, but with it's delusional, self-proclaimed 'exceptionalism,' the US invaded anyway, in violation of International Law, undermining the Global Order as represented by the UN since WWII, ushering the Law of the Jungle into the Middle East and the World.
At a minimum, these FACTS of History are evidence there really is a Deep State pulling the strings behind the
Republican/Democrat/Trumpian facade.
In my view, there is even a Deeper State working through Humanity bringing into Reality, the spirit of this letter in our Generations:

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.(false beliefs about God in Judaism, Christianity & Islam. Written some 500 years before Islam, the 3rd arm from the Jewish religious record appeared) 
For they are the spirits of DEVILS, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth (the 1%, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Senators, CEOs, and other Idols of the People) and of the whole world, (the rest of Humanity) to gather them to the Battle of that Great Day of God Almighty. (the war is already underway between Judaism, Christianity and Islam leading to the climax of that Great Day) 
Behold, I come as a thief. (when you least expect it) 
Blessed is he that watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. 
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon. 
Revelation 16:13-16
Armageddon was derived from Har Megiddo, located in Judea and Samaria of occupied Palestine 2000 years ago. Israel as a kingdom disappeared some 800 years before Jesus walked in that area during the occupation.

Har Megiddo/Armageddon still exists as a physical place in this material world, but is now under the control of temporal Israel re-created from the Bible after an absence of some 2800 years. After all those years, the occupation of Judea and Samaria in Palestine is still an unresolved, violent, open wound in the Middle East and this material world.
As to 9/11, I wrote this article on my view of it last September 11,

Dave Volek Added Jan 27, 2018 - 10:18am
I believe that the majority of American people want out of these small wars and the current president sure campaigned on this. It seems strange how the USA continues to get dragged back in. Maybe Ray has some Biblical insights into this.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jan 27, 2018 - 11:39am
I just want to learn to do some of the cool graphics Tsock flaunts.  You got a lot write with the words here too.  Especially, that the deceived are more easily directed. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Jan 27, 2018 - 11:39am
'a lot right'
Stone-Eater Added Jan 27, 2018 - 12:51pm
I'll explain your article to my people in Senegal next week (they speak French) and will post a reply from them.
Give me some time.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 27, 2018 - 12:54pm
BTW: You can be sure they have a POV. They might be black, but they're not stupid LOL (excuse my inappropriate anti-PC "black". When the sky is blue, can I use that color as description ? Please advise ;-)
opher goodwin Added Jan 27, 2018 - 1:26pm
Tub - that is so right. America is seen as the bully all around the world. It has started one war after another and few, if any, were justified.
I do not justify 9/11 or support Al Qaeda, ISIS or any of the fundamentalist terrorists. They are all totally reprehensible. Just hearing about the Taliban bombing in Afghanistan. A bunch of callous, inhuman bastards.
But to some extent America was getting a dose of its own medicine.
What is happening in Syria is appalling and Assad is a complete bastard. But it should be the UN and not the USA and Russia sorting it.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 27, 2018 - 1:30pm
We had Tweety Trumpy here in Davos. Poor guy, somewhat. He repeated desperately his "America First" while being here :-)
It's like the UK would go back to Africa and say: UK first LOL
Tom C. Purcell Added Jan 27, 2018 - 1:33pm
Why shouldn't the American President put America first?  And why shouldn't he say it, or reiterate it?
Dino Manalis Added Jan 27, 2018 - 1:49pm
Regime change should happen from within, not by foreign invasion, like the president is doing with respect to Iran.  Trump has to strive for stability first in Syria by ag'reeing with Moscow to a no-fly zone over the entire country, while terrorists ought to be attacked only on the ground.  Ass'ad needs to recognize Kurdish; Sunni; and Shiite states in his country to stop all sectarian violence and wars with neighboring countries.  Washington needs to mediate between Ankara and the Kur''d''s, 'while Damascus and Baghda'''d have to warn Turkey not to intervene in their countries.  Trump has to learn from the mistakes in I''raq and Libya and not do the s'ame in S'yria.  W'e don''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''t want World War III with Russia either!
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 27, 2018 - 1:49pm
Putin puts Russia 1st, and he's evil because he does that, while America is good? Totally delusional BS!
We all know Trump is a serial liar. He campaigned as the Peace Candidate wanting better relations with Russia.
He's turned around 180 degrees, swallowed up by the American
Neo-Con War 1sters, wanting to control this world through military dominance.
What Future do you see in the near term with the US Government taking money away from Civilian needs and channelling it to the MIC while greatly reducing money for US Diplomacy to prevent War from happening? Logical minds should see where that will lead to. It will lead to FIRE and FURY like this World has never seen before.
NO ONE will be able to say they wern't warned!
The US gives Israel $3,500,000,000 in Weapons of Death and Destruction EVERY YEAR, but just cut out $45 MILLION in food aid to Palestinians. What kind of an honest Peace Broker is that?
Americans don't pay attention or care for the most part.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:14pm
Putin puts Russia 1st, and he's evil because he does that, while America is good? Totally delusional BS!
I guess we'd come along pretty good if it weren't for the "god thing" LOL
Ian Thorpe Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:36pm
Tubularsock, good article and some much needed truth about American interventions. While the 'American exceptionalism' crowd hail the "liberation" of Libya and Iraq (and don't like to talk about how the plans to "liberate" Afghanistan and Syria turned out,) they forget that by deposing Gadaffi and Saddam, who kept order even if it was a pretty brutal kind of order, and ran fairly prosperous counties, the regime change intitative have turned both "liberated" nations into failed states. 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:40pm
....and we get their refugees !!
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:41pm
Bill Caciene, thank you for taking the time to comment. Tubularsock is not saying that Assad is a nice guy. And it is not that Tubularsock supports his actions.
One issue here is that we don’t go after Sadia Arabia or Israel for their crimes against humanity. We support their atrocities and even sell them the weapons!
Why is that? If we were REALLY all that concerned about PEOPLE we wouldn’t support them at all! So what gives?
The reason is because we really don’t care about people. We care about economic exploitation and control. In Syria’s case it has more to do with blocking a gas pipeline than the lives of Syrians. THAT is the problem!
A dead little kid on a beach in Greece ............. so when bomb thousands of little kids living in Syria to save him? Seem like the wrong response to Tubularsock.
Presidents lie, yes! And they ALL do. Now why do the citizens not respond to THAT! Cleaning up the integrity of our leaders would go way further and be far better for us than bombing everybody else and then saying ...... “oh well, Presidents lie”.
Thanks Bill.
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:42pm
Bill Kamps thanks for your comment. Sad to say you are so correct. The U.S. does seems to have this delusion that it is our job to save the world and make it in OUR image.
Sounds like a course correction should be in order. And because we have lost so many of these attempts or in many cases made things even worse you would seem to think that the policy makers would wake up to that.
UNLESS ....... destabilization is the actual goal. Think on that.
“People get the government they deserve” is so true and what Tubularsock loves about Trump!
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:42pm
Ray, thanks. Your historical outline and the deep state actions are spot on. With the Deep State Tubularsock believes that it is more a “MIND-SET” than individuals but either way we are in deep shit!
Also Tubularsock likes the interplay with religious documents and the actions of political action. It makes one notice that all these political games have all been done on a regular bases in this world ok illusion.
Tubularsock will check out your article on Jesus and 9/11. Tubularsock does hope Jesus was wearing boots rather than sandals if he was walking on the aftermath.
Thanks for you contribution, Ray.
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:43pm
Dave, Tubularsock can guarantee that Ray would have Biblical insights on about everything! THAT is something Tubularsock would bank on!
Americans are so self centered that they don’t connect the dots on about anything really. Somehow they really believe that bull shit of exceptionalism even though the U.S. is way done on the list when compared to the rest of the world in education, health, and quality of life when it comes to joy.
It may be time to REALLY make America First in THOSE THINGS and stop this world control thing!
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:43pm
Tom, Tubularsock thanks you for your kind words. And for taking the time to comment.
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:44pm
Stone, Tubularsock will be most interested in Senegal’s response. If they agree or disagree maybe Tubularsock will start “trending-in-Senegal”!
Now THAT would be different!
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:44pm
opher, Tubularsock agrees with your sentiments in regard to the different terrorist groups in the world today which Tubularsock includes the U.S. as one.
In fact, without U.S. support that’d be more than half of the world terrorist without funding!
Tubularsock was disappointed in the U.S. response to 9/11. Rather than a wake up call or a teachable moment the U.S. population was led off to BOMB Afghanistan!
Can it get dumber than that?
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:45pm
Stone, “America First”, come on ...... Trump can ONLY get two words correct at one time. It is just a verbal tweet!
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:45pm
Tom, Tubularsock agrees. “America First” for an American to say IS a good thing but ONLY if we mean by that that we lead the world by example RATHER than blowing up the world that disagrees with us.
How about SHOWING the world we are great rather than attempting to beat them into submission.
Be fun to try that for awhile!
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:46pm
Dino, Tubularsock agrees that we should stay out of countries affairs and let them fight their own battles. THAT includes keeping the CIA out of other peoples conflicts.
It may not be a surprise to you but our CIA is caught up in Iran’s business so the President IS NOT keeping his hands off in Iran.
It is always funny to Tubularsock that when the Russians “influence” our election it is evil but when we “influence” other countries internal affairs it is good.
Dino interesting logistics you presented but the U.S. always seems to be playing two sides against the middle in Tubularsock’s observation.
Thanks for you comments.
opher goodwin Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:46pm
Stone - my next post - later tonight - Davos and Trump's great speech.
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:46pm
Ray, you pretty much summed it up rather nicely. Tubularsock does like that “It will lead to FIRE and FURY like this World has never seen before.”
Even sounds Biblical!
Tubularsock Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:47pm
Ian, EXCELLENT POINTS! Somehow we continue to miss exactly what you are talking about ....... why is that when it is SO CLEAR?
Thanks for your comment.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 27, 2018 - 2:50pm
Stone-Eater, if ever we met Face to Face, I don'r see any problem arising because I have Faith in the Eternal and you don't!
Btw, Putin is a practising Christian, unlike Trump and many Americans giving lip service to God, praising the Lord, and passing the ammunition.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 27, 2018 - 3:01pm
Even sounds Biblical!
Tubularsock, it is Biblical!
For behold, the Lord shall come with fire, and like a tempest, His chariots, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire.
For with fire, will the Lord contend, and with His sword with all flesh, and those slain by the Lord shall be many. -Isaiah 66:15-16

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. -2Peter 3:7
opher goodwin Added Jan 27, 2018 - 3:42pm
Tub - it doesn't get much dumber than that. They had all that sympathy capital and they wasted it on stupid aggression towards the wrong targets. Iraq and Afghanistan were not the fights to pick.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 27, 2018 - 5:07pm
I'm fed up by the human race. I don't mind dying at all. God and Allah and whatever shit is ILLUSION. I will not see, feel or sense of any of that bullshit anymore. I will just die one day, rot and play fertilizer to some plant.
I mean: I have lived for 60 years a GOOD life, unlike many others, WITHOUT a god. I might as wel float around as a minor energy field after LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jan 27, 2018 - 5:15pm
BTW Tube
Halla whalalla tehallalla meets Dekalla. Dekalla means Labathia but no it's Whetonia. No, she says it's Sufiathia, but in fact it's my haidresser !
He asks if If I want Wahha, and I surely agree on Bia !!!
Jeff Michka Added Jan 27, 2018 - 5:56pm
RJC sez: Btw, Putin is a practising Christian, unlike Trump and many Americans giving lip service to God, praising the Lord,-Well, did Geezus put Putin in office, just like Trump?  Here's a Revelation: you believe things are controlled and happen due to myths.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 27, 2018 - 6:15pm
The Russian voters put Putin in Power like a small minority of American voters put Trump in Power.
Hitler would not have been born without the Source of Life!
Katharine Otto Added Jan 27, 2018 - 9:08pm
Yet another wise and eloquent commentary (meaning I agree with you), delivered with exquisite humor.  I do believe regular Americans are fed up with all the wars but are also so depleted with in-fighting they have nothing left over to resist over-reach and over-kill by the perpetrators.
A great book by David Icke, Tales from the Time Loop, says world leaders are genetically linked and related to Shape Shifting Alien Reptiles who thrive on human conflict, tapping into the energy and exporting it to the inter-dimensional reality that is their home.  It certainly appears as though the SSARs are in ascendancy on the planet.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 28, 2018 - 3:46am
What if someone invades the Americans because they are too corrupt? What would Americans think of that?
  Also, as Chomsky and others have pointed out, we invade other countries to put communists into power and take free governments out of power.
  Its not about oil and gas or money, its about putting Bolsheviks in power everywhere. Empirically its about money, putting our banks into power in foreign countries and driving the countries into debt. Debt creates control and control is necessary for multiculturalism.
  You have to bomb or economically destroy them over there so they want to come over here. Multiculturalism destroys the Western ethic, destroy that and people can no longer say what they really think and you have complete control over a demoralized population. You can poison their water and their air, while they are busy dissecting every conflict without recognizing the common threads.
  Turn them from adults into children, sell them fairy tales, let them think you are protecting them as you teach them that evil doesn't really even exist.
  Bolshevize the world, create workers that could never challenge your power.
  So what does Assad and other leaders do in the face of this threat? Who really knows, I guess you can read the Pravada. What would you do?
Bill Caciene Added Jan 28, 2018 - 5:49am
I couldn’t agree more, from Saudi Arabia to Timbukto, there are many people in need of our military assistance and a lot of suffering we could alleviate.  However, we need to pick and choose our battles carefully and a dictator that uses chemical weapons on his own people sparking an exodus and humanitarian disaster, seems like the appropriate place to start.     
Stone-Eater Added Jan 28, 2018 - 8:01am
This guy explains the finance system and US hegemony in fucking detail since the 1900's. Unfortunately it's in German. I haven't found anything like that in English. Maybe because the Anglophones are kept in the dark ?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 28, 2018 - 8:04am
Nobody needs "America" for any kind of "support". The rest of the world can very well survive without US nukes, aggressions and useless tweets.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 28, 2018 - 8:04am
Spot on.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 28, 2018 - 8:06am
Empirically its about money, putting our banks into power in foreign countries and driving the countries into debt. Debt creates control and control is necessary for multiculturalism.
Let that sink in, guys.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 28, 2018 - 8:10am
BTW: Multiculturalism is no subject. The people on top know that ALL humans function the same emotionally, no matter where they come from. There might be different colors, features, but essentially we're all the same.
But why the fuck don't we realize that ?
Because we're led by a bunch of assholes ever since. And we hail them, because we don't WANT to know and change as long as the car is in the garage and the burger is across the street.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 28, 2018 - 8:12am
BTW 3123:
See you. I'm off to Senegal in 2 hours. A shithole, really LOL
Stephen Hunter Added Jan 28, 2018 - 8:52am
Did Trump not say that he could fix the ISIS problem, very very fast? 
Same as he said about Healthcare? Then he said who knew it could be so complicated? 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 28, 2018 - 11:16am
Stone-Eater, we're agreed on this: The people on top know that ALL humans function the same emotionally, no matter where they come from. There might be different colours, features, but essentially we're all the same.
On a parallel plane, Christ taught, 'Call no man on earth your father for we have one Father in heaven."  This brought the idea of God to the World, transcending any notion of Jewish exclusivity.
Because people don't do it and take the actions to make it a reality in this World, does not make Christ's teaching any less valid. People dismiss Christ instead of recognizing People fall short of getting high ideals into practice. Christ does not abandon us in helping us overcome. The People abandon Christ because they don't get instant results, not understanding the underlying message in the Patience of Job.
The idea was introduced to the World by Christ Alpha 2000 years ago. I think the larger idea could not possibly be implemented until humans arrived at the Time of Mass communication capabilities, and the return of Christ Omega.
The question I don't have the answer to yet, is will this happen before or after this material world goes through a Masada/Holocaust II?
Tubularsock Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:07pm
Ray, Tubularsock would have to say that it will be after the Masada/Holocaust II based on Stone-Eater Friedli’s observation “. . . we don't WANT to know and change as long as the car is in the garage and the burger is across the street.”
Sad but true. Pass the mustard Ray, thanks.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:07pm
re "This guy explains the finance system and US hegemony in fucking detail since the 1900's. Unfortunately it's in German. I haven't found anything like that in English. Maybe because the Anglophones are kept in the dark ?  "
There is The Creature From Jekyll Island and another book by Ellen Brown. They have done youtube videos on these. There is John Perkins' Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man, for which there is a video.
  Most commentary on banking describes how to better mop the floor, not how to turn off the tap. These books are about the tap. First, people have to realize that a flood is happening because a tap is on and that the floor must regularly be mopped because the tap is on. So9meone is turning up the tap so the floors are getting more difficult to mop. This is too much for the communist to digest, most people on here and elsewhere have been fully indoctrinated to not ask difficult questions and to not read what they are told not to read - or not to read or think at all.
Tubularsock Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:07pm
“Even sounds Biblical!
Tubularsock, it is Biblical!”
Well damn, Tubularsock is correct again! Third time today.
Tubularsock Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:08pm
Tubularsock needs a translation into Tubetalk. If you don’t mind exposing the secrets.
“Halla whalalla tehallalla meets Dekalla. Dekalla means Labathia but no it's Whetonia. No, she says it's Sufiathia, but in fact it's my haidresser !
He asks if If I want Wahha, and I surely agree on Bia !!!”
Thanks. Tubularsock knows this will follow to Senegal so maybe you could put it French for me.
Tubularsock Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:09pm
opher, yes they were not the fights to pick EXCEPT if they were attempting to provide LONG TERM EMPLOYMENT!
Tubularsock Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:09pm
Bill Caciene, you may want to look into this “uses chemical weapons” a bit more. There is now additional information that puts this entire idea into question.
Tubularsock also just wants to remind you that providing military assistance to screwballs leads to just more conflict usually with the screwballs fighting the American invaders with our own weapons.
Rather counter productive don’t you think?
Thanks for your comment.
Tubularsock Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:10pm
Jeff, thanks for your comment and here’s is a myth Tubularsock believes:
Tubularsock IS God.
Oh sure, there is some debate.
Tubularsock Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:11pm
Katharine, Tubularsock thanks you. And Tubularsock does agree that most Americans are tired of these constant wars of aggression promoted by the U.S. and now according to Jim Mattis we are making terrorism a secondary concern and promoting our fear of China and Russia! Oh joy.
And thanks for the book title. Tubularsock likes much of David Icke’s views but “Lizzies” are a little wack-o until Tubularsock thinks of Dick Cheney and then the entire idea comes better into focus.
Thanks for your comment.
Tubularsock Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:11pm
Doug, thanks for your comment. Tubularsock enjoys multiculturalism because there is much to learn UNTIL it starts to be dictated to you.
Now Doug, just why would someone even try and invade America because of corruption when Orange Tweet has drained the swamp. We are free from all that now.
And with Goldman-Sachs in control do we really have to worry about debt and anything with honest overlords like that?
Tubularsock Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:12pm
Stephen Hunter, now who would really think that the world and its problems could be so complicated? Especially when the most difficult life choice prior to Tweet’s Presidency job was riding the escalators in Trump Towers.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 28, 2018 - 2:22pm
@Ray Joseph re "The people on top know that ALL humans function the same emotionally, no matter where they come from. There might be different colours, features, but essentially we're all the same."
Only Christianity considers all men equal before the law. This is what I was writing about on my post White Genocide: Why?
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 28, 2018 - 4:04pm
Tubularsock, I wrote about Syria just after the start of the World War there 5 years ago. It's Fake News to call it a civil War when so many Nations and their proxies are fighting.
There is no such thing as a 'civil" War in any case. All wars are the total abandonment of Civility.
The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap [...] Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters!
The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters: but God shall rebuke them, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind.
Isaiah 17
opher goodwin Added Jan 28, 2018 - 4:53pm
Tub - I'm glad you pointed that out - the economic power of war. Money to be made building the equipment to knock cities down and money to be made building them up again - all at tax payers expense. I think Rumsfeld made a killing didn't he? 
Tubularsock Added Jan 28, 2018 - 7:34pm
opher, there are things we know about Donnie, and there are things we don't know about Donnie but then there are things we don't EVEN KNOW we don't know about Donnie and that is the category that your question falls.
But by comparison Donnie got chicken feed compared to Cheney and his gang of bandits. Makes Al Capone look like a choirboy. 
opher goodwin Added Jan 29, 2018 - 5:46am
Tub - was Al Capone really a choirboy? Did he sing?
Those guys certainly knew which side their bread was buttered and it never fell butter side down either.
Cynical or what?
Bill Caciene Added Jan 29, 2018 - 11:03am
Let’s assume Assad didn’t use chemical weapons on his own people, why do you think so many Syrians are piling in to unsafe boats and leaving their homeland behind?  I suppose it doesn’t matter why, all that matters is that someone shows some military muscle and attempt to protect these people.  In doing so, we may also prevent the immigration exodus and all the related problems that causes.  Now I get the fact you’re so anti-American that you can’t fathom us helping matters.  Who do you suggest spend their blood and treasure to help the situation?  Whomever you name, let this proud American rise up and be the first to say…sounds good. 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 29, 2018 - 12:22pm
@ Bill Caciene Obviously you didn't watch the EVIDENCE it was the US that started the exodus from the Middle East.
If the city you live in was being bombed and shelled daily, you'd want the hell out too, and you'd be on one of those rickety booats looking for Refuge from the Hell war is.

In 2007, former NATO Supreme Commander, target="_blank">US General Wesley Clark, blew the whistle on the War Plans brought out by the Pentagon/CIA only weeks after 9/11 to change the regimes in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and at THE END, Iran.
I see a Time of Divine retribution coming to the US, that will cause a stream of Americans to seek Refugee Status in CanaDa to escape American style, crazy, home grown terrorism by Americans on Americans.
Tubularsock Added Jan 29, 2018 - 12:44pm
Bill, this has absolutely NOTHING to do with your or Tubularsock’s “patriotism”. This is a straw-dog position that you may believe but is not relevant to this issue.
The U.S., for pre-planned reasons, enter into a CIVIL WAR in order to destabilize Syria and put in power a government that was more “giving” to Western interests.
That’s it!
That does not make Assad a nice guy but there are plenty of brutal leaders in this world that have our support that are not nice guys. And there lies OUR problem. And thereby the truth of our actions.
And to Tubularsock it is a sad truth. Tubularsock has always loved our stated values and goals as a country. What Tubularsock wants is for us to actually live up and implement these principles. And set that example for the world NOT the same old aggression tactics.
Rushing around the world blowing people up and grabbing their shit and calling it “IN THEIR INTEREST” is not going to bring about peace or justice.
It will just lead, as world history has shown time and again, to continued destruction.
Violence breeds violence.
Thanks for your input, Don.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 29, 2018 - 3:56pm
Tubularsock sez: I see a Time of Divine retribution coming to the US, that will cause a stream of Americans to seek Refugee Status in CanaDa to escape American style, crazy, home grown terrorism by Americans on Americans.-Well, it will have to be Canada, why do you think ORANGE F***HEAD needs that wall?  People might head south of the border where its warm.  That wall will stop them escaping.
Tubularsock Added Jan 29, 2018 - 5:47pm
Jeff, an interesting observation but one consideration you may not have thought of is that, if the revolution breaks out the white-rich people will FLY out over that wall South!
It’s the rest of us poor fucking suckers that will have to coat-up and head North!
AND then finally the native populations will once again roam this great land with the two buffalo that are left!
Even A Broken Clock Added Jan 29, 2018 - 6:49pm
Tube, since I've been on Writerbeat, I never seen you write a serious post. This one breaks that mold. I'm gone for two days and all hades breaks loose. And if you are accurate 3 times in a day, you're 50% more accurate than me.
Tubularsock Added Jan 29, 2018 - 7:48pm
EABC, Tubularsock blames it on the three neat shots of Wild Turkey Single Barrel. Does it every time.
Thanks for your observation.
Bill Caciene Added Jan 30, 2018 - 10:09am
I couldn’t agree more, this conversation has nothing to do with either of our patriotism.  I get the fact you think our military is up to no good and is the cause of much of the turmoil in the Middle East.  Moving forward, Syrian people were fleeing in mass.  The situation is what led to the famous photo of that dead little boy on a Greek beach.  Not to mention the untold thousands who died without a photographer nearby.  Now you can choose to sit back and let the carnage continue or you can choose for our military to provide some level of defense for these people.  Are you telling me you think their fate is better if left up to Assad decide? 
We have tried and failed to influence Assad diplomatically.  If we leave, he will continue the carnage and if we stay, he can’t.  I don’t care about “aggression tactics” we’ve employed in other parts of the globe, in Syria, the location your article is about, we need men with guns or the carnage will continue.  So what do you choose, dead Syrian children washing up on Greek beaches or relative peace? 
Tubularsock Added Jan 30, 2018 - 11:49am
Bill, lets face it, the American military is a tool of American foreign policy and they are run around the world in an attempt to follow and prop up a patchwork of questionable “national interests”.
Most of these “national interests” are just beneficial to only a handful of corporations and have little to do with the American citizen’s security or interests. But WE pay for it! And the military FOLLOWS ORDERS and so it has become a neat little scam for a handful of people.
What you and many others have put their focus on is the emotional ploy that was produced to show how EVIL the Syrian Government under Assad was and how WE must do something to prevent this outrage. It is called PROPAGANDA, Bill.
Tubularsock realizes the feelings of this tragedy but that is only because WE SAW the picture of this little boy. Can you imagine the picture of a family after one our drone strikes? Day in and day out ......... for what? A gas pipeline? A different government? Because they weren’t on “our” side?
You are being played, Bill. And yes we all feel it but what gives is way bigger than the present.
Now again let Tubularsock make it clear that Assad is a total shit, no question! Assad was/is a brutal strongman, no question! And most important it seems: HE WAS/IS SUPPORTED BY THOSE EVIL SOVIET/RUSSIANS! No question.
However the reason this little boy drown was started back by the CIA in 1947-1948 and has continued to this day. The historical outline is documented and easily found.
And the U.S. is as much responsible for that dead little boy as Assad. Maybe more due to the fact that WE have invaded HIS country!
Thanks for taking the time to comment, Bill. Tubularsock hopes that you and I will between us come up with a solution to stop this insanity. But maybe not this week!
Keep your powder dry.
Bill H. Added Jan 30, 2018 - 12:39pm
Great write, Tube!
At least a few of us still actually realize what true American Patriotism is (was?).
We have become a Bizarro Nation where all good is bad and all bad is good, in fact it is sooo good, it makes my head spin!
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 30, 2018 - 1:00pm
Bill H, the Prophet saw this was taking root in the people 2600 years ago. You can only imagine how much more things have been perverted in understanding since then?
Woe to those who say of the evil that it is good and of the good that it is evil; who present darkness as light and light as darkness, who present bitter as sweet and sweet as bitter.
Isaiah 5:20
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Jan 30, 2018 - 1:15pm
It's only natural since this vision was published 41 years ago, I would pay much closer to the unfolding realities of this world than most people not having the same experience.
At the beginning of the US started World War in Syria, Assad said he was open to negotiations, but the US rejected such talks, wanting a battlefield victory.
On September 13, 1976, the major daily THE KANSAS CITY TIMES published this Vision of the FUTURE: target="_blank">“He came to town for the Republican National Convention and will stay until the election in November TO DO GOD'S BIDDING: To tell the world, from Kansas City, this country has been found wanting and its days are numbered [...] He gestured toward a gleaming church dome. “The gold dome is the symbol of Babylon,” he said.” [...] He wanted to bring to the Public’s attention an “idea being put out subtly and deceptively” by the government that we have to get prepared for a war with Russia.”
It's taken over 40 years, but that 1976 FUTURE is NOW with the Revelation of the details GENERALLY unfolding in the spirit of the letter. The World is finally waking up to see Trump just may hasten “its days are numbered” part of the 1976 Public record.
The KANSAS CITY TIMES did a follow up report on ALL SOULS DAY, November 2, 1976. When the TV movie 'THE DAY AFTER' Kansas City was incinerated in a Nuclear Holocaust appeared in 1983, most likely, I was the only Human on Earth, including the newspaper reporters, to note target="_blank">at the END, the movie pauses at the very same picture frame THE KANSAS CITY TIMES chose for the target="_blank">ALL SOULS DAY record 7 years earlier.
Any way you look at it, that HISTORICAL FACT is a confirming SIGN for our Generations, the World has arrived at this point of Decision, of an “idea being put out subtly and deceptively” by the government that we have to get prepared for a war with Russia.”
Multitudes! Multitudes in the Valley of Decision. The Day of the LORD IS NEAR in the Valley of Decision!
p.s. After posting, I deleted all the above to add this. As I pressed the submit button, at the very same instant, a small window opened with this headline, "Kansas Court Temporarily Blocks Law Punishing Those Who Boycott Israel or the Settlements"
It's all related - Syria, Israel, Armageddon, The 1976 Kansas City Times!
Katharine Otto Added Jan 30, 2018 - 3:33pm
It appears Doug Plumb and I have read the same books, including The Creature from Jekyll Island and Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, but I'm not familiar with Ellen Brown.  In any case, I agree we need to turn off the tap so we can put away the mops.  The tap is the unchecked deficit spending and debt that feeds the Fed's unearned and unConstitutional status as guardian of the nation's economy.  
I understand both Republicans and Democrats support enhanced military spending.  The financial system is upside down.  With the debt-backed dollar, the economy starts at the bottom line and goes down from there.  Americans are so heavily invested in debt that they are afraid of seeing the truth.  How many regular people support these wars?
But like with any Ponzi scheme, deficit spending is necessary to keep the dollar from collapsing.  It might be acceptable if the government were spending on anything useful, but it's buying more trouble with every zinc penny.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 30, 2018 - 11:01pm
Katherine, please read my "White Genocide: Why?"
re "The Creature from Jekyll Island and Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, "
  Yes, we have. Ellen Brown has youtube vids, I haven't read her book but always wanted to. She is an attorney. I wonder how much she spills.
  You might like "The Open Conspiracy" by HG Wells 8-) Or The Report From Iron Mountain (condensed, free on web) I read these a long time ago.
  Now I read law and Kant only. (and discrete math)
Bill Kamps Added Feb 1, 2018 - 11:31am
TS - agreed with your comments to Bill C.  Asaad is not a good guy, but will removing him solve much of anything ?  Probably the civil war will continue. 
What we have learned from other invasions in that area, is that we can keep the peace if we put a soldier on every street corner.  Hardly what I want our military doing. 
In Afghanistan, after 16 years, it is not safe to drive from the airport, to the US  compound.  People have to be flown by helicopter.  Obviously whatever we are doing there is not working.  In fact, it is made worse because we have to balance our efforts in Afghanistan, with our relationship with Pakistan.  If we try too hard to win in Afghanistan we piss off Pakistan, and we have decided, whether wisely or not, that Pakistan is important.  Maybe they are not important but their nukes are? who  knows.
Either way, the situation is complex.  We have not yet  come up with policy that will make the situation better.  The  military does not offer us policy that will make these countries more stable.  The military just kills people and destroys things.