Hey Democrats, want to win next time?

Hey Democrats, want to win next time?
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For a long time Democrats did well by bribing poor voters with things, (carrots), free medical care, free food, free money; free free and amnesty too.  Lots of people want free and gladly voted for anyone who promised to give them stuff, even if they know it's being taken from other people and no one knows how we're ever going to pay for it.

 

Oh but now Democrats are the party of hate, and they lost votes from all the people they demonized which in this case was just enough to get Trump elected.  They did it by alienating lots of people who disliked Trump but hated being told they are RACISTS because they thought our borders should be secure and believed someone who was here illegally was an illegal immigrant.  They disliked being called  a RACIST because they didn't agree with everything Obama did, and certainly they were if they disliked Obamacare, or thought people like Jessie Jackson were charlatans.  Perhaps next time Democrats refer to half of the United States as a "basket of deplorable", they should do a little math first.

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Tom C. Purcell Added Jan 29, 2018 - 10:45am
Hey you make a very clear point.  Since you're likely trans-something, maybe your party will listen.
Bill H. Added Jan 29, 2018 - 11:20am
Tom, since you appear to support Nazis, your party may not want to see them win.
Assumptions?
Dino Manalis Added Jan 29, 2018 - 11:22am
Democrats should  show they can govern by proposing centrist policies and work with Republicans and the Trump Administration to achieve bipartisan legislation.  The goal is to unite us, not tear us apart with hate and divisiveness!
Ari Silverstein Added Jan 29, 2018 - 12:04pm
I think that was an excellent synopsis on why the Democrats lost.  Allow me to summarize the problem with Democrats a little differently.  They need to quit it with their moral superiority complex.  Republicans have good reasons to secure the border, rein in spending and take a hard line approach to places like North Korea.  These reasons have nothing to do with Republicans being coldhearted or trigger-happy.  Should the Democrats ever stop slinging insults and treating us like deplorables, they might actually win over some independents. 
Leroy Added Jan 29, 2018 - 1:13pm
Shhhh...Don't help them.
mark henry smith Added Jan 29, 2018 - 1:30pm
I'm a democrat, but I couldn't support Clinton, not after she ran such a deplorable campaign. I couldn't support Trump either after he ran such a deplorable campaign. I couldn't support Bernie because the policies he was promoting weren't feasible. I didn't support Obama because his one campaign promise that excited me, getting us out of Afghanistan, cutting back on military spending, was a lie.
 
Trump is doing something no one imagined could be done. He's tearing apart a system of elitist thinking and turning the country back fifty year. The courts won't allow the total scrapping of environmental laws, work-place rules, on-and-one, but it will require a rethinking and that's good.
 
Then we should rethink military spending, single-payer healthcare system, immigration based on the Maciadora system put in place by Reagan. The democrats are going to win the next election cycle, despite the recent stock market success. Economic growth isn't great, and sudden, dramatic change always leaves people uncertain. Trump is the proverbial bull in a China shop and I believe it is what we needed, to see some of the fragile beliefs that support learned helplessness and a sense of victimization be dashed.
 
We should be a nation of laws well written and consistent in their application, as parents should be with children. These laws should be beneficial to the health of all citizens. That's how you get bipartisan support, Dino. Special interests are constantly writing laws to benefit their group exclusively. Deficit spending is insane, but it is part of a conservative agenda to bankrupt the government, this constant call to take productive programs and privatize them, to greater cost.
 
Thanks Riley. Stay in the middle path.     
Riley Brown Added Jan 29, 2018 - 1:54pm
Tom, the Democratic party is no friend to LGBTQ folks if you ignore what they say and look at what they do.  On the other hand the Republicans with the exception of Bible Thumpers, including by the way Trump, seem to pretty LGBTQ friendly in what they actually do.  Don't be fooled.  Trump has done nothing that I consider anti LGBTQ, only things the Democrats spin into their own form of hate speech to make him look bad.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 29, 2018 - 1:58pm
Riley, you are spot on. I think the Trump election was almost more about the 'tone' than about actual policies. People took issue with the cult-like nature of the left. Minds differ. We can all agree to disagree, but a unifying feeling was that there was too much aggression coming from the left while they screeched 'catch the thief'.
 
What also went down really badly was when Hillary made this alt-right speech putting the dunce Richard Spencer in the limelight. She associated the entire 'based' conservative movement with these people and for a while all these frog memes adopted words and names with the syllable 'alt' in defiance and out of a rush curiosity. It created an open-mindedness towards this dubious mini group. After all everybody, not just Trump, was slandered as an antisemite, islamophobe etc. So people took note.
 
Since then antisemitism was indeed on the rise because nobody could tell anything anymore. The left had blurred the lines. I believe that this will go down naturally. Spencer is losing more and more influence because people notice his evasive, distracting mannerisms, but I cannot believe how Clinton thought she could do this to us. The faux outrage about Trump's use of the star of David was the same category. She knew him. She knew, he has two children in law and a daughter who are Jewish. She still lied and slandered him as an antisemite. If everything is antisemitism, then nothing is and people started listening to conspiracy theorists. I hate that she did this to us. Knowingly.
Riley Brown Added Jan 29, 2018 - 2:02pm
Dino,  the two major parties couldn't be more divided and I can't blame either for not wanting to meet the other side half way. 
 
How can anyone be happy aborting half the babies, banning half the guns, only taking half the money from the rich, or only granting half the illegals a free pass? 
 
Democrats have moved from thinking all the foliks who don't agree with them just don't get it to HATING THEM, and they freely say it.  They chase any middle of the road voters to the Republican side.
Riley Brown Added Jan 29, 2018 - 2:03pm
Ari,  hmmm...  sounds like you're one of the independents I'm talking about.
Riley Brown Added Jan 29, 2018 - 2:04pm
Tom,  Oh by the way, I'm not registered as a Democrat or a Republican.  Never have been.
Riley Brown Added Jan 29, 2018 - 2:06pm
Mark, buy watching what he's done, I've come to the conclusion that Trump is not a Democrat or Republican, and the number of people on both sides who hate him seem to prove that.
 
He seems to hate the Republican establishment just as much as he hates the Democrat values.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jan 29, 2018 - 2:14pm
Riley, very good.  I don't know a lot of LGBTQ folks (obviously) but I have crossed paths with homosexual Republicans.  I know that not every LGBTQ type, if you will, believes that LGBTQ should be a prevalent thing.  I know there is often more to your lives than just being 'LGBTQ'.  In other words, a lot of y'all just want to go about your business and be left alone and I respect that, as I respect your personal independence on all levels.  It's when LGBTQ stuff is overrepresented (in your face) that the average hetero is offended.  Like bathroom bologna.
TexasLynn Added Jan 29, 2018 - 2:26pm
Tom >> Since you're likely trans-something, maybe your party will listen.
 
I question 1) if that (avatar) is indeed an actual picture of Riley and 2) if Riley is indeed LGBTQ.  I mean this only as an observation (based on reading Riley's posts) and mean no disrespect.  Riley, feel free to correct anything I question (or not).  That is your prerogative.  If there is one thing for sure concerning the Internet, and blogs, and boards, and social media... you have a lot of leeway in how you present yourself.  For example, few realize I am a young, skinny, black woman. :)
 
Riley, if I am wrong, and you are indeed LGBTQ, then I will offer that you are the most social and self-aware LGBTQ person I have ever had the pleasure of associating with (if participating on WB counts toward that).  That would make your brutally honest posts that much more remarkable.
 
My two cents... on Riley Brown.
 
And on this post in particular... dead on.
Tom C. Purcell Added Jan 29, 2018 - 2:32pm
IMO the only way to make forward progress in relations with those who are different than us, is to be direct and even bluntly clear in some instances.  No offense intended by the gruffness of those words.  Although ineloquent, they're sincere.
George N Romey Added Jan 29, 2018 - 2:47pm
The Democrats have presented no desirable alternative. Most Americans want the system blown to bits in one form or another. The vagina hats have this strange illusion that Americans were happy as pigs in crap with Obama and if we just got rid of Trump and his alleged little Russian friends.
 
They will lose again in 2020. They will totally ignore the “Sanders wing.”  We will get another Schumer/Pelosi approved candidate.
 
BTW not all gay men are flaming liberals. That’s another stereotype often proclaimed by faux progressives.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jan 29, 2018 - 2:59pm
I think, Riley is a flaming conservative.
 
Lynn: I met a lot of self-aware homosexuals. I think Riley is probably more of a bi-sexual man who does not fit into a mould well. While we are at self-awareness, Lynn: Do you think a straight bloke could care as much about Hollywood? Could you force yourself to sit through the Oscars? Let's face it, we heterosexuals don't have what it takes to write like Riley.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jan 29, 2018 - 3:35pm
"For a long time Democrats did well by bribing poor voters with things, (carrots), free medical care, free food, free money; free free and amnesty too. "
 
Why should  they stop? Spending tax monies to buy votes is an old concept.
 
I think they should play the Race Card daily [as Nancy Pelosi does] and continue to denigrate business and all whites. 
 
The possibility that it might crush the party is no threat to them since they are always 'tight.'
TexasLynn Added Jan 29, 2018 - 3:47pm
>> I think, Riley is a flaming conservative.
 
It seems so... maybe too much so... :)
 
>> I met a lot of self-aware homosexuals.
 
I have met a few, but very, very few.  Generally, you find someone (LBGT) fiscally conservative (to their credit) at best.
 
>> I think Riley is probably more of a bi-sexual man who does not fit into a mould well.
 
Very possible.  I offered an uninformed assessment based on writing content alone, nothing more.  And like I said, if I am wrong, then Riley's message is just that much more remarkable (in my opinion).  I'm just ever the skeptic.  It is in my nature.
 
>> While we are at self-awareness, Lynn: Do you think a straight bloke could care as much about Hollywood?
 
I know people (married, so I assume straight) that just eat the Grammys and Oscars up.  I don't see what that has to do with being self-aware.
 
>> Could you force yourself to sit through the Oscars?
 
As for me, I hold the Hollywood/Entertainment types (and generally the products they produce) in utter contempt... so I would rather endure a stick to the eye than to watch that crap.  Again, how does that demonstrate self-awareness (or a lack of it).
 
Perhaps you are referring to exposing yourself to alternative viewpoints.  WB does that for sure. :)  And while Fox News may be #1 on my XM Radio dial, NPR is #2.  Granted, I'm not so open minded as to tolerate Hollywood, CNN, or MSNBC.
 
>> Let's face it, we heterosexuals don't have what it takes to write like Riley.
 
I consider myself a decent writer.  I consider others on WB as good and better.  Without going overboard in naming names... Riley Brown falls into the latter (better) category.  I, however, have never attributed that to anything having to do with sexuality.  I don't know why I would.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 29, 2018 - 3:50pm
BG sez: Since then antisemitism was indeed on the rise because nobody could tell anything anymore.-Antisemitism is "entry level" racism, because all that needs be said is "The Jews killed Geezus," and the low bar masses will buy into it.  Hate is a commodity like any other, so why the surprise?
Cliff M. Added Jan 29, 2018 - 4:57pm
The election was more a vote on the 8 year Obama economy which basically ignored the working class . The fed up swung to Trump. Another regrettable decision. There still is no one who cares about the working class independent's . Everybody wants free stuff. This go round the big money is getting all the free stuff.
John Minehan Added Jan 29, 2018 - 10:32pm
I could not vote for either one of them and could not believe there were not two better choices.  (There were: Johnson/Weld or Jill Stein, although some of her ties to Russia seem a bit odd as they come out.)
TexasLynn Added Jan 29, 2018 - 11:31pm
>> I could not vote for either one of them and could not believe there were not two better choices.
 
John... you had me!  I didn't vote for Trump (not a conservative) and wouldn't vote for Hillary (a crook).  But Johnson (the dope head candidate) and Stein (the completely nuts candidate).  Uggg.  I would vote have voted for a dead possum before any of them and would have been making the right choice.
 
As things stand, I now believe the following.  Donald Trump's election was the worst possible outcome… except for all the rest of those corrupt and loser candidates.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 30, 2018 - 12:15am
I how that Obama drove the pendulum to the opposite side.  A full century of progressives that are actually REGRESSIVES in power has done enough damage.  This government is based on the principles in the Declaration of Independence.  The Democratic party that has picked up the torch of 'progressivism' or what ever you want to call them has in their own words said they do believe in the declaration and the Constitution is not a law with rules and requirement, but it is a suggestion, a living or stretchable document.   And are they willing to stretch it beyond recognition.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 30, 2018 - 3:25am
Riley -  Good post. 
 
sounds more like Riley is in fact a libertarian, if not a "party" member,then surely in sentiment.  I'm confident the observations and advice will go unheeded in quarters where they need to be heard.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jan 30, 2018 - 12:05pm
Thomas Sutrina
 
"....they do believe in the declaration and the Constitution is not a law with rules and requirement, but it is a suggestion, a living or stretchable document.   And are they willing to stretch it beyond recognition."
 
I agree. They will twist the words to put in an authoritarian system if they can. 
TexasLynn Added Jan 30, 2018 - 12:24pm
JFK D >> They (the left) will twist the words to put in an authoritarian system if they can.
 
The deliberations of the Constitutional Convention of 1787 were held in strict secrecy. Consequently, anxious citizens gathered outside Independence Hall when the proceedings ended in order to learn what had been produced behind closed doors. The answer was provided immediately. A Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia asked Benjamin Franklin, "Well, Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?" With no hesitation whatsoever, Franklin responded, "A republic, if you can keep it."
 
I've deduced that by human nature, we can't (keep it).  Nobody can... forever.  Men (and their governments) gravitate toward bondage and what we see with societal decay and socialism is that gravitation.  At best, we can hope to plant the seeds of freedom in the hearts and minds of a few who may see it reemerge like a phoenix.
mark henry smith Added Jan 30, 2018 - 12:52pm
Winners don't compromise, they win. That's the attitude that has prevailed in our politics on both sides. Everybody's playing for points and not for policy, so is it any wonder that we got Trump? Look at what his policies are. How sustainable are they?
 
But the real point is, no one in our body politic is creating any sustainable solutions. Afghanistan. Our allies have gone from controlling 70% of the provinces to 50%. Iraq. We don't even talk about it anymore. Syria? Get syrious. A well-thought out transportation policy? What about energy? What about healthcare? What about drugs? What about the prison system? On-and-on we have no policy, no long-term policy about how to build a system to take us through twenty-twenty-five, let alone, 2030.
 
Look at our budgets now. No attempt even to create anything that looks like something budgety. It's short fixes in binding resolutions. Look at the deficit, more than GDP. Look at world debt. Look at personal debt.
 
I know gay people and all the LGTB community have problems with being accepted, but I'd say that any thinking person in this environment has the same problem. We need to have more thinking people like Riley in our midst, people who don't just accept the dogma positions of whatever group they become identified with. That's our hope.        
George N Romey Added Jan 30, 2018 - 2:32pm
Which is why the system is headed for collapse. We will need people like Riley to prevent total anarchy. Who gives a shit about his sexuality?
Donna Added Jan 30, 2018 - 3:37pm
See George, that is what i have been saying to all my friends for years.. i understand the need to be accepted, as gay or otherwise..But i do not see a person like Riley, screaming to the masses, to accept me! Do not group all together, none of us are the same..we are all unique..no matter whom or what we are..all are one thing..HUMAN!! That is all that should matter. However, in D.C, None of us matter, to any party..all any care about is his or her name, how much they can gain or control, and whom can they blame if all falls apart..
Not one party member cares one ounce far any of us little guys..it is all about $$$ and who can give them the most..All parties are like this.sadly enough.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jan 30, 2018 - 4:13pm
MHS
 
"Winners don't compromise, they win. That's the attitude that has prevailed in our politics on both sides."
 
To the victor belongs the spoils.
 
A. Jackson
Joe Chiang Added Jan 30, 2018 - 4:30pm
Riley, I don't think the issue is math.  The issue is that the Democrats are totally out of touch with the American people, with reality.  You nailed it, the Democrats are now the party of hate. Their followers are brainless and just quote whatever nonsense is put forward by their talking heads.  Please check out the Constitution Party's 3 pillars and 7 principles.  It is not for everyone.  We are for small government moral constitutional conservatives.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jan 30, 2018 - 4:38pm
JOE Chaing
 
"Please check out the Constitution Party'"
 
Give Tax the Axe? I learned that from John E. Castle, Constitution Party in the 1960s
 
A link?
Autumn Cote Added Jan 30, 2018 - 5:49pm
No interest in engaging your commenters?
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 30, 2018 - 7:58pm
Riley is a long time member of WB and has always commented on other authors articles.  This includes one of mine a short time ago. 
Riley Brown Added Jan 30, 2018 - 9:32pm
Tom C. I am often amazed by the stereotypes most people have about people who are not straight.  I guess I can't blame them, especially now as all the reality shows and practically all other media scramble to make sure they have enough LGBTQ content to lure in gawkers and fight off any allegations that they aren't pro LGBTQ enough.  Content that they make up to be entertaining, but is so overdone that it would be out of place in most LGBTQ people's real lives. 
 
If you have LGBTQ friends you are blessed to be one of the few who actually see a slice of reality, instead of entertaining fiction.
Riley Brown Added Jan 30, 2018 - 9:40pm
Lynn J, you made me LOL, not bad for a skinny black woman.
 
I will take your comments about my being very socially aware as a compliment but assure you there are many LGBTQ people who are even more astute than I am.  I hope one day you get to meet a few.  It's a lot easier to be open when doing so can't have a negative impact on one's career, which may be why many LGBTQ people you know, and many you don't know are, don't seem very socially aware.  It's not safe to open up in public, even these days.
 
I do appreciate your insight and wisdom about reading too much into writers avatars. 
Riley Brown Added Jan 30, 2018 - 9:50pm
George, from what I can see most of the public votes rather naively for whoever they think will make things best for them in the immediate future and who they like.   They like people who make them feel wanted and good.
 
Instead of focusing on positives that would have caused many Independent voters to vote for her, she blew many of them away by insulting them, their intelligence and their core beliefs.  They weren't lost sheep she wanted to bring back into the flock, they were deplorably she didn't like or want.  They responded by voting for someone who didn't drive them away... Trump, and it was her fault not Russia's, not Trumps, hers for chasing voters she needed away.
Riley Brown Added Jan 30, 2018 - 10:00pm
Benjamin, I like to think of myself as socially liberal but fiscally conservative. 
 
I don't think my lifestyle is anyone's business but my own, and I don't believe anyone should have the right to spend other people's money irresponsibly, or spend money they don't have.
 
If it were up to me race, sexual preferences, and religion would never influence anything except if they interfere with a person's ability to do the job.
 
I can't even imagine how same sex marriage hurts this country because I believe anytime you get two people to agree to be fiscally responsible for each other, they and the rest of the country are better off.  To those who worship the word "marriage", I say, get over it, it's just a word.   As long as no one forces religious institutions who don't believe in same sex marriage to perform them, I don't see why they would care what the state does.
Riley Brown Added Jan 30, 2018 - 10:04pm
Ryck, I think the race card is getting worn out because so many people are wrongly called racists that they lose more support when they throw it down, than they gain.
 
No one likes being called a racist, it may pacify the true believers when they do, but it turns off people who might otherwise listen and be swayed by less offensive and more persuasive arguments.
Riley Brown Added Jan 30, 2018 - 10:06pm
Thomas, if you wait the pendulum will swing the other way, it never stays on one side too long.
Riley Brown Added Jan 30, 2018 - 10:21pm
Joe, I still see it as basic math because the margin Trump won by in so many critical states was well within Hillary's grasp if she'd just acknowledged reality and responded appropriately.
 
Hillary is not stupid, but she did listen to the wrong people and became delusional, buying into the hype that she'd already won because there weren't enough stupid people around to overcome her huge lead over that buffoon Trump.
 
She should have ignored the liberal press and quit spending so much time basking in the glory bestowed by her by her most loyal supporters, who continuously assured her she had nothing to worry about.  She lavished in that instead of spending time in key states where she could have made a difference.  She was so certain of the outcome she didn't think it mattered if she called Trump supporters deplorable s...  Well it did matter.
 
Trump for all his faults, was much better at analyzing what he needed to win the election, and despite not having nearly as much campaign money, put his right where it counted. 
 
Now most committed Democrats are devastated, bitter and screaming about how they were robbed by those deplorable Trump voters.  I think they would be much more likely to get a few to switch sides next time if they quit calling them ugly names.  I think they might even alienate some of the people who did vote for Hillary.
 
Trump says thank you and Hillary calls them RACISTS, who do you think they will vote for next time?
 
 
Riley Brown Added Jan 30, 2018 - 10:25pm
Autumn, I may be many things but unemployed is not one of them.  I comment when I can, and that is never when I am in the middle of complicated business negotiations.
 
Thomas, thank you for your kind words.
Mircea Negres Added Jan 31, 2018 - 3:10am
Riley, most people do not learn the lessons of history and thus doom themselves to repeating mistakes, one of them being the purchase of votes with public money. The ancient Athenians did it and over time undermined their own democracy. They do the same dumb stuff in South Africa, and a lot more besides, though buying votes is cheaper here- usually with a garish ANC T-shirt, a meal from KFC and welfare payments of $20 to $100 per month, along with some viciously untrue anti-white propaganda along the lines of "don't vote for the Democratic Alliance 'cause they wanna bring back apartheid". Politicians are making a huge mistake when they buy votes, while citizens (and illegal immigrants from what I'm hearing) make an even bigger one by selling their votes. Nice post.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 31, 2018 - 8:49am
Democrats have picked talking points that go against social norms that have existed for centuries.  Bathrooms will never be generic and women will never accept human adults with penises in their bathrooms.   Religion defined marriage as a man and women from before the stone age.  Government will never dictate that to change.  That doesn't mean that I am against gay couples having the same legal status.  Class warfare has to backed up with facts which can only be made by spinning the facts.  The web has been punching holes in these arguments as false.
 
Democrats will I believe continue to spin down.  They were doing that in the 1920's when the GOP crony capitals stalled and drop well below the Dems.  It can happen again. 
Joe Chiang Added Jan 31, 2018 - 10:00am
Ryck, Let me give you a little history lesson you seem to have missed.  First, the Individual Income Tax is relatively NEW, and not a part of the US Constitution.  There was an Amendment that was passed back in the 1920s that with the right spin permitted income tax.  But from the founding of our nation to the 1920s, there were no personal income taxes.  Our government operated on the import and export taxes alone.  
 
Please note who was President at that time, a progressive liberal.  There were two reasons for the personal income taxes.  First was Al Capone.  The Federal government could not find any crime he had committed, so they created a new crime, tax evasion.  This is the ONLY agency/court where citizens are considered guilty until proven innocent, unconstitutionally.   It was for this crime that he spent those years in prison. 
 
The second reason was to redistribute wealth.  Take income from those who are working and create new social programs to give to those who are unproductive.  There were no welfare programs until after the establishment of the personal income tax and the IRS (Just note the illegal activities of the IRS targeting certain populations within the US - are we a nation of laws applied equally or of special interests who gain an advantage).  
 
If we go back to Constitutional government, we no longer need the IRS or EPA or DOEd, etc.  These are all extra-constitutional agencies.  The Constitution Party is for moral small government Constitutional Conservative governance.  
 
I don't know about you, but I'm tired of being lied to as if I were too stupid to know better.  I am tired of the closed door back room deals that bloat our government and waste tax money just to inflate crony capitalist friends (The Clinton Foundation selling influence and Solendra come to mind).    If you are a Democrat, then you must be for these things.  Maybe you are getting money from The Clinton Foundation and/or Soros.  That is up to you.  I, for one, will no longer waste my vote on red or blue liberals who lie to get into office, then vote for bigger bloated intrusive government.
 
BTW  Do you trust your government?  Do you know anyone who does?  Then WHY would you want to make that government you do not trust BIGGER and more intrusive into your lives.  I don't need Obama, Hillary, or Trump telling me what to eat or not eat, or what car to drive.  Maybe you do and that is okay.  But just because you do does not mean you should make me live with your deficiencies.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jan 31, 2018 - 10:54am
Joe C
 
"Ryck, Let me give you a little history lesson you seem to have missed.  First, the Individual Income Tax is relatively NEW, and not a part of the US Constitution."
 
I never said it was. That was a slogan from that party in CA in the 1960s. I knew the state chairman of a party with that name. 
 
Please read carefully.
 
"If we go back to Constitutional government, we no longer need the IRS or EPA or DOEd, etc.  These are all extra-constitutional agencies.  The Constitution Party is for moral small government Constitutional Conservative governance.  " 
 
Also insert comments on 9A and 10A.
 
I agree here. 
 
"I don't know about you, but I'm tired of being lied to as if I were too stupid to know better.  I am tired of the closed door back room deals that bloat our government and waste tax money just to inflate crony capitalist friends (The Clinton Foundation selling influence and Solendra come to mind).    If you are a Democrat, then you must be for these things. "
 
I am a JFK Democrat who like Stevenson and JFK but was too  young to vote for either. My first vote was against a Democrat [LBJ the criminal lush] and have not voted for a Dem since. 
 
"Maybe you are getting money from The Clinton Foundation and/or Soros.  That is up to you. "
 
I am not and they belong in jail .
 
"BTW  Do you trust your government?  Do you know anyone who does?  
 
No, but I know lots of left-wing Dems who adore the Clintons and other losers like Obama. 
 
 You got away with a assuming a highly warped vision of what and who I am. Wait for a confirming comment from me before casting a shadow on who I am. 
 
Here is a hint:
 
Liberalism is built upon three grand pillars that prop up their party: Sloth, sodomy and drug addiction. They have only two actions they can perform: play the Race Card or play the N#$i card. They are parasites otherwise 
 
 
Please read carefully next round and refrain from wild speculation. Dems are dog poop.
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jan 31, 2018 - 11:03am
Riley Brown
 
"Ryck, I think the race card is getting worn out because so many people are wrongly called racists that they lose more support when they throw it down, than they gain."
 
The Race Card, the N#$i Card and the Redistribution Card are in full play and those are about the only epithets that work for the rabid left any more. 
 
Left-liberals and their neuron-deficient brothers in the Progressive ranks have little more to offer. 
 
Trump will crush their phony party with a good economy unless they can prevent it. 
 
It is the rabid left who are the dedicated racists as racism is a system were one groups  attacks another on the basis of race. Obama and Holder and Pelosi and Schumer play the Race Card daily. That works for them. 
Bill Kamps Added Jan 31, 2018 - 12:33pm
The  problem with the Democrats strategy is that they rely on doing extremely well, with people that live in the cities.  This strategy failed this past election, not because they failed to  win a majority in the cities, but because they failed to win enough of a super majority in the cities.  
 
Trump got almost exactly the same number of votes as Romney.  The difference in the election is that turn out in the cities was lower than it was for Obama.   Trump won 87% of the counties. 
 
When your votes are concentrated in only 13% of the US counties, you are playing a dangerous game.  A bit lower turnout, a bit of bad weather, and suddenly what looked like a sure thing, becomes a loss. 
 
Statistically once you get a solid majority of the voters in a county, each additional few percentage points, become harder to get.  Why? because people know the party will win their neighborhood, so why bother to vote?   If everyone you know will vote Democrat, people subconsciously feel that their vote isnt necessary.   The party has to constantly remind people that turnout is important to balance out the rural areas, but these reminders dont get everyone out. 
 
If you cant muster the enthusiasm that Obama did, if your candidate has high negative polling numbers, then getting not only 60%+, but high turnout can be problematic. 
 
Both parties are not doing enough  to broaden their base.  In fact the reverse is happening, they are playing mostly to their base.  This is not a prescription for winning in the long run. 
mark henry smith Added Jan 31, 2018 - 12:35pm
Riley, the most surprising thing about the election wasn't the terrible, dull, self-congratulatory campaign that Hillary ran. It was that the press completely ignored the hatred of the Clintons in large swaths of the country.
 
And now the Republicans are coming up against the same problem. So Trump is starting to do a Reagan, that's what last night's speech was, the beginning of his transition from the crazy uncle who rants, to the calm, pacifying grandfather who spouts wisdom.
 
Both parties are corrupt because they both feed at the same trough, but the directions they want to take us are different.
 
Trump's saying that he's taken away all this regulation is like the boy who says he's taken away all the weeds from the flower beds and when you look it's just dirt. Not all regulations are bad. And do we really want roads built, or drilling done in sensitive areas without understanding the long-term impact? Some obviously do and the consequences will be tragic. The sudden removal of Florida from coastal drilling leases, shows how bereft of ethical fairness and how lax in policy configuration this administration is.
 
Not that some things don't have to be changed to make all of lives simpler and more fair.    
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 31, 2018 - 5:59pm
Here is one reason the Democratic party is unhappy with the tax cuts and especially the business cuts.  
The progressive income tax increases political power over private wealth and moves the issues of wealth and fruits of production into the arena of government power and political discussion. It brings “class warfare” into public discussion, and promotes class envy, and when done with savvy demagoguery, distracts from the fact of property as a natural and civil right to the idea that it all belongs to the government to use for the “common good”, for the use of the collective.

In other words, it’s a Trojan horse, meant to both concentrate control of wealth into the hands of political kingmakers and money changers. It even brings the owners of wealth to centers of government power to beg for relief, and makes it a political issue pitting confiscators concerned about the poor (as if) against people who make too much money. Or have too much. (Never mind if you notice the “confiscators of wealth” never let their own be confiscated.)
 
So it’s a matter of setting up private wealth as something a strong central government allows you to keep if it serves a “public” purpose, and promotes collectivist thinking. Especially the poor, and middle class, are fooled into thinking confiscation of whatever individuals own is “fair game” for political discussion.

That’s the way it has happened." 
 https://trutherator.wordpress.com/why-did-karl-marx-want-an-uneunequal-income-tax-and-what-central-bank/
Joe Chiang Added Jan 31, 2018 - 8:19pm
Ryck.  Please explain, what is the difference between a JFK Democrat and a Liberal Democrat?
Riley Brown Added Jan 31, 2018 - 10:30pm
Bill Kamps, as I said, when Hillary was delusionally convinced she had a winnin the bag so much that she didn't mind calling those who weren't in her camp deplorables, she lost the race.
 
She quit trying and her entire support network convinced all the people who hated Trump and would have voted for Hillary that it wasn't necessary for them to go vote, because she was already going to win.
Riley Brown Added Jan 31, 2018 - 10:33pm
I agree both parties have enough scum go go around and from what I can see, Trump agrees, that's why he's hated by most members of both parties.  He wants to end "The Insiders Club" that has been running politics in the best interest of the politicians not the people for a long time.
Rusty Smith Added Jan 31, 2018 - 10:44pm
Riley Brown I keep hearing how bad the tax cuts are for the poor but from what I already see, his new plan is going to cost me a whole lot more, partially because I live in So Cal where we generally all make much more than most people in other states.  I'm not rich by my standards but most of the country thinks everyone with a six figure income is wealthy.  They don't realize lots live in million or multi million dollar homes, their ALL OVER the place out here.  A new million dollar house comes with a tax bill that is over $10K a year.  It costs over $20K just for permits to build a home around here.  There is no Federal tax adjustment for living in a very expensive part of the country.
 
The way I see things Trump is probably enjoying the fact that normal people with upper middle class lifestyles, in many parts of California and New York, and other places that were heavy Clinton supporters, got the shaft this time.
 
Even so, from what I can see, Trump has inspired the economy and even with all the additional taxes I will probably still do better than I ever would if Hillary the big spender, (of other people's money), had been elected.
Riley Brown Added Jan 31, 2018 - 10:45pm
Joe, if JFK was alive today he'd be appalled by the Democrat agenda.  He was much much more conservative than today's Democrats.
Riley Brown Added Jan 31, 2018 - 11:06pm
Thomas, actually bathrooms are very generic in many other countries.  Its not unusual for many establishments to have a large bathroom where men and women use stalls with doors for their privacy while they are on the throne and then wash up together in a common area.  I've even seen a few in the US and expect them to become much more common now that we are starting to require gender neutral accommodations.  I think it's funny, many companies have been forced to set up gender neutral bathrooms at the same time as others are realizing they aren't really required to provide any more privacy than a stall with a door.
 
There have always been cross dressers using bathrooms that contrast to their genital equipment but matched their attire, and no one noticed or cared.  Today we're making a big deal about it and are about to make bathrooms much less comfortable places for 99% of the public, so that we can say we're not discriminating against a tiny group of people who never previously bothered us.
 
I do agree about religion and think our "Original Sin" was not allowing same sex marriages by the state, but way before that when we allowed the state to meddle in the religious institutions of marriage, and call the legal binding financial agreement they sanction a "Marriage".  There is no constitutional basis for a separation of Church and State, but I think the word Marriage should have been reserved for unions sanctioned by religious, institutions, and the legal fiscal agreements created by the state should have been called something else.  You don't even have to acknowledge God in any way to be joined by the state and a state issued divorce is meaningless to many very religious people.
 
I know the word Marriage and all the sacred associations are special in many religions, and see no reason that name needs to be mentioned when people want the rights and responsibilities associated with the state's contract.
Riley Brown Added Jan 31, 2018 - 11:14pm
Thank you Marcena, and welcome to the forum.  Unfortunately many voters are greedy and short sighted.  The poorest are often suckered by promises of more free stuff that if delivered would make it more likely that their children will also grow up trapped in generational poverty.  There is nothing that prolongs generational poverty more than being able get enough free stuff without working to survive. 
That's not speculation, it's the actual conditions that we can see does perpetuate generational poverty whether it's on a Native American Reservation, or a poor black community. 
Riley Brown Added Jan 31, 2018 - 11:19pm
Ryck, I would not be so sure Trump will crush the Dem's next time, the most relevant factor probably won't be the arguments or even his Presidential performance, but instead which party can inspire more people to vote.  Participation rates are still very low and there are more on the sidelines on both sides than there are in the middle not knowing which way to turn.  Right now Democrats are so full of hate they just might have a record turn out next election.
 
Besides, we always have and probably always will cycle both ways over time, just wait your turn and eventually you will get the party you want... for a while.
Thomas Sutrina Added Feb 1, 2018 - 8:38am
It was difficult to change building for wheel chair access.  Half basements were the norm for decades so the first floor was three feet up.  Look at the where ramps are on these building.  Bathrooms in building will be as expensive and difficult to change so a reasonable solution without changing them is needed.  Just changing the rules without testing solutions is dumb and shows stupidity.  Shows the fact that government thinks the people serve them, they are the master minds.   
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 1, 2018 - 9:22am
Riley Brown
 
"Ryck, I would not be so sure Trump will crush the Dem's next time, the most relevant factor probably won't be the arguments or even his Presidential performance, but instead which party can ispire more people to vote.  Participation rates are still very low"
 
I agree on the rates and such, but, historically, folk tend to vote their pocket books [RWR] and IF Trump boosts the economy then why should voters revert to the stale tax and spend and redistribution mantras?
 
"Besides, we always have and probably always will cycle both ways over time,
 
Perhaps, but this is probably a cliche no given the many things that are changing in politics. 
 
I  take the positive prediction and hope that the Dems will be crushed for decades. 
mark henry smith Added Feb 1, 2018 - 11:57am
Leland, is that you? Riley sounds an awful lot like a green libertarian. And the vague identity makes one wonder.
 
That Thomas can make a statement about bathrooms, as he did, makes it plain what we're dealing with in the US. Many people have no knowledge of how the rest of world sees these social issues, that they've already been decided, that there is no more debate.
 
Men and women share bathrooms without incident. Marriage has two definitions, a social and religious. Social marriage is a civil union with all the rights and duties of a religious marriage. Churches, temples, mosques, etc... and their leaders and congregations can decide on their own whether they want to allow non-traditional weddings. Bakers bake cakes for anybody who has the means to pay. I have never heard something so ridiculous as a baker saying I won't bake a cake for that couple because I don't like the message.
 
And I never heard something so pathetic as the gay couple suing because the baker made them cry and feel insulted. You're a gay couple. You should be used to that by now. Have you been dating in a bubble?
 
Economics are becoming les-and-less the issue driving the direction of elections. All of the arguments that solidified economic arguments have been tossed aside. Deficits? Who cares? We can borrow until the cows come home. Taxes? Who cares? We can cut them until the cows come home. Stock market? Who cares? It will rise until the cows come home. Too big to fail? Who cares? Antitrust can be ignored until the cows come home. Me Too, Black Lives Matter, Radical Islam, Abortion, on and on, social questions will drive elections, because women are the ones coming out to vote and social issues motivate them more than economics.
 
But at some point, somebody's gonna wonder, where the fuck did all the cows go?       
Riley Brown Added Feb 1, 2018 - 11:13pm
Thomas, ADA rules generally apply to businesses, they are the entities that are mandated to comply not homeowners.  Once many business figure out they are not required to upgrade if they just make the stalls private, most will stop spending gobs of money to do so just like everyone did when they found out they didn't have to have an ADA drinking fountain, they could just have none.  Right after that most businesses threw out their not compliant drinking fountain and never replaced it.  You could get in trouble for having a non compliant one but not for not offering water at all.  That applies to mirrors in public restrooms too, you can avoid ADA penalties by simply taking it out or painting over it. 
 
Who wins when we pass stupid laws, NOBODY!
Riley Brown Added Feb 1, 2018 - 11:21pm
Mark, I have no idea who Leland is but as you might guess do have more opinions and comments to share regarding your comment.
 
I believe we have lost sight of the principals that made our country so great and are often very selfishly focusing on side issues that are largely irrelevant or certainly would be less relevant if we focused on the economy and everyone became a little better off. 
 
While we scream about bathrooms and demand our "rights", whatever that is, we aren't putting our noses to the grindstone and earning the things we want.
 
If someone doesn't like me, I sure don't want to help them succeed by patronizing their business, I look for a more appreciative place to spend my money.  If a neighborhood says I'm not welcome, I sure as heck don't want to live there, and I'd say the same about any club or business that would rather not have me around.  I vote with my feet and my money, but sue because someone doesn't like me or my values, NO WAY.  I have better things to do and even if I prevailed, would I really want to force them to put up with me...  That would mean I'd have to put up with them.  
 
There are too many good people out there for me to wast my time with the bad ones.
Riley Brown Added Feb 1, 2018 - 11:30pm
Rusty, I'm having a hard time fitting your comments in my forum except that I can see they are a reply to other posters comments, but I think you may be right.  There is a huge earnings difference between different parts of the US and can't see a way the tax code takes that into account.  If you live in San Francisco, your are treated like a wealthy person, even if you're rending a nice place in the city, and if you live some other cities you're well off if you make half what the person in San Francisco makes.
 
That being said, I'm not sure what we can do about it.  People are already fleeing California, especially when they retire, and taking all their money with them, because it's so much cheaper to live in other places.  A bare bones pension in San Francisco affords a very nice lifestyle in many other states.  Most companies adjust their wages and even what they pay for travel expenses like meals in other cities and countries, based on how expensive the place is.  Pay and the cost of meals is low in Texas, and very high in New York, perhaps Federal tax rates should follow suite so a lower middle class family in San Francisco isn't in highest tax bracket just because they live there.
Flying Junior Added Feb 2, 2018 - 5:10am
Fuck yeah!  It's not just about politics.  The entire future of the world is depending upon us.
 
Fascism must be defeated.
George N Romey Added Feb 2, 2018 - 8:13am
If a Sanders type candidate emerges and if there is no feeling the economy and job market has improved (despite official government stats) Trump loses in 2020. However, given that Democrats are wedded to corporations and Wall Street as much as the GOP that’s not gonna happen. It may be the lowest turnout election in history.
Eric Reports Added Feb 2, 2018 - 3:11pm
Michael Moore (who predicted Trump would win) said if the Democrats continue the way they have acted since the election, they will continue to lose.  I agree.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 2, 2018 - 3:42pm
Flying
 
"Fascism must be defeated."
 
Islamo-Fascism, liberalism,Marxism, Communism and progressiveness must be defeated.
Flying Junior Added Feb 2, 2018 - 9:47pm
Ivana Trump explained to us that Trump kept a copy of Hitler's speeches from 1919-1935 that he would frequently read before bedtime.  The marriage to Ivana ended nearly thirty years ago.  So if he was reading this stuff in his 40s it is safe to say that he was influenced.
 
Did anyone ever see the split-screen video showing a passionate speech by Mussolini on the left side and another by Trump on the right during the campaign?  The similarities were astonishing.  Trump might not have that much raw masculinity and power, but he definitely has a charisma.
 
Of course we were laughing at the time.  We thought that he would lose handily.  I told my friends not to compare Trump to Hitler and Nazism.  It was uncalled for.  It was never smart to accuse any other American politicians of this in the past.  Yet the warning signs were all there.  Ultra-nationalism.  Racism and xenophobia.  An emotional fervor stirring the hearts of his audience.  A whole lot of yelling.
 
What really clinched it for me was Trump's wedding his soul to the disinformation of alt-right news sources and that which Kellyanne so eloquently termed, "alternative facts."  We are currently so over-the-top inundated in fake news, alternative facts and disinformation that many have no idea what is true and what is not.  Trump seems to thrive upon it.  Lying mainstream media.  NYT is fake news.  Too bad we can't all watch Cronkite.
 
The racism thing with David Duke, the KKK and the white supremacists at Charlottesville and Trump's honest embracing of these hate groups was pretty much the nail in the coffin.  Add in Trump's hatred of honest press and his desire to stifle freedom of the press.
 
He is a fascist.  He may not be the worst one in history.  But we can no longer define fascism as the period when it began in Italy shortly before 1920 and ended in Germany in 1945.  Fascism has reemerged.  It is time to once again define fascism in modern terms.  Just a few years ago, the 1950 Encyclopedia Britannica had the most accurate article and the best definition of fascism I could cite anywhere.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 3, 2018 - 9:37am
"Fascism has reemerged.  "
 
And, what do we say about a political organization that has the secret police working against competing politicos? And, what do we say about a political organization the encourages crime, hides criminals, supports drug use, attempts to over regulate business [like Mussolini did] and more??
 
Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and control of industry and commerce that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe."--https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
 
" Add in Trump's hatred of honest press and his desire to stifle freedom of the press."
 
Who might that be? CNN? ABC? CBS? These people are honest??
 
If we redefine Fascism then we should look at the parallels between the progressives and Marxists. Hillary was not trying to be a dictator?
John Minehan Added Feb 3, 2018 - 9:55am
If the Dems want to win in '20, they will nominate some one like Booker or Northam.  If they want to ideologically pure, they will nominate someone like Sanders.
 
As Peggy Noonan said of Northam, he is "anodyne," but that might be a good contrast to Trump.
 
As Abba Eban, said of the Arabs, the Democrats "never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity."   
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 3, 2018 - 10:22am
"If the Dems want to win in '20, they will nominate some one like Booker or Northam."
 
I hope so..........
Riley Brown Added Feb 3, 2018 - 12:41pm
Junior, Hitler was undeniably a great orator who was so good that he was able to convince his countrymen to rally behind one of the worst campaigns in history.  I havn't studied him but if I was trying to learn what I can do to become more convincing, I might include studying his style, because it was so successful.  That is not to say I or Trump like what Hitler did but when it came to convincing others, he was one of the best.  That said, orator style is about the only thing I can see that Trump might have in common with Hitler, I havn't seen any indication Trump is sympathetic to any of Hitler's social beliefs. 
 
I do remember reading translations of some of Hitler's speeches, and most of the content was not objectionable.  He was big on national pride, he was big on national autonomy.  He waved the national flag, told people to be  proud, and painted a pretty picture of what life will be if they followed him.  Sounds a lot like our Politicians.  There was nothing wrong with many parts of his speeches, the devil was in the details of how he wanted to make things better.
 
David Duke may prefer Trump to Hillary, but I think that's about as far as it goes, and I don't see any reason why Trump should not want people he doesn't agree with to vote for him.  His winning margin was very slim, and if he'd lambasted people who were thinking of voting for someone else, LIKE HILLARY DID, he might have lost.
 
If I were running I'd like to think that my style would be so good for the country that EVERYONE would be better off if I was President than they would be if my competition prevailed and maybe with David Duke and other White Supremacists it's just that simple.  They live here too, they need jobs, they want their 401K to do well, and they want low taxes.  Most likely that's why they voted for Trump, they thought they would be better off if he was elected. 
 
Do you think that's a bad thing?  If you were Trump would you have told them to vote for Hillary?
Riley Brown Added Feb 3, 2018 - 12:56pm
George, most people don't like HATE, and right now that's almost all the Democrats are focusing on.  Just look at the Russia story.
 
Thanks the never ending pressure from the Democrats every single day for a year the news has prominently featured stories lambasting Trump with promising new information that ALMOST makes it look like Trump colluded with Russia so he could beat Hillary.  Our country has spent millions on the investigation, and continues to do so even as it's become pretty obvious they haven't found anything that Trump did that resembles collusion. 
 
Even so the stories go on and on, reassuring the faithful that the fight is not over but at the same time DRIVING AWAY MANY INDEPENDENT VOTERS who might have been been inclined to vote Trump out of office in 3 years, but may not because they can't see themselves being part of a party that doen't know when to quit.
 
There is no fresh air in the Democrat party, no hope, no positive message, only hate and it's hard to win with that.
mark henry smith Added Feb 3, 2018 - 1:09pm
Exactly. I wrote a post before the election about Trump running a Hitler-like campaign. Why not, as you say Riley? Isn't the idea to find a way to win?
 
I saw a cartoon today of Trump shooting a black man in the street and Mitch McConnell says, "Won't hurt the agenda." And someone stated that this was what Trump said, I could shoot someone in the street and it wouldn't hurt my poll numbers, as if that was his point, to shoot people in the street.
 
No, I screamed in big type. Trump is not evil. He said that because he was as amazed as anybody at the hatred of Hillary Clinton. Nothing he could do would make some people like Hillary more, or vote for her. To twist it into a statement of intent is madness.
 
My point about Leland was that he's a green libertarian and you take on things rings similar. Well stated above about the role of people in making their own decisions about who they do business with. Should the government really tell businesses (individuals) they have to do things they find morally objectionable? Won't that lead to all kinds of unintended consequences, remedies that are worse than the ailment?
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 3, 2018 - 2:43pm
Trump is in no way a person like Hitler. 
 
Nonsense. 
Flying Junior Added Feb 3, 2018 - 3:02pm
I would have liked to see Trump disavow white supremacist groups early on as would have many.  But he did need their votes.  Once he was president he was free to take a moderate stance.  I'm beating my fists against a brick wall, but I still recoil in horror when I recall the Charlottesville remarks.
 
Maybe HRC does harbor hatred in her heart.  Every day it feels like we are all starting to get used to hating the other side.  But I have never encountered widespread, ginned up hatred of one person as much as the right-wing hatred of Hillary.  I don't get a message of love from Trump.  I don't feel anything kind or caring.  Mostly just glaring hypocrisy and opportunism.  The great mystery to my circle is that he has successfully recreated the republican landscape to suit his image so that what once we considered a dangerous, fringe candidate somehow really is the new mainstream.  I see it, but do not understand.
 
I'm a bit gender-confused as well.  I identify as a feminist.  It was the great Egalia and other women of Tennessee Guerilla Women that got me excited about Hillary Clinton.  For years I had been listening to Bill on UCTV being quite wonderfully post-presidential in promoting economic justice and humanitarian aid across the globe.
 
You are right in one respect Riley.  It will be an uphill climb to defeat Trump.  It will require new direction and new people.  Or conservatives will just be laughing their asses off at the democratic clown car this time around.
Flying Junior Added Feb 3, 2018 - 3:33pm
As far as oratory, I'll take the John F. Kennedy, Ronald Reagan or Barack Hussein Obama model over the Hitler/Mussolini model any day of the week.  But that's just me.  Those guys were Americans.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Feb 3, 2018 - 3:52pm
Reagan was a great speaker. Hitler was actually crap (I don't say that for the sake of putting him down; I would, for example, submit that he was a good painter). And Trump...does Trump even speak English?
George N Romey Added Feb 3, 2018 - 4:57pm
I see the Democratic either splitting in 2 or eventually be forced to the Sanders wing. The Schumer/Pelosi wing is fighting a losing battle. If Sanders announces a 2020 run all hell will break lose in that party.
Riley Brown Added Feb 3, 2018 - 6:22pm
Mark there you go saying Leland again.  I assure you I may be many things but never never Leland. 
 
When it comes to Hitler like most other people there is good and bad but it's wrong to correlate his oratory style with the evils he perpetuated they are not related.  That make about as much sense as people who expect gay people to be pedophiles, those two things are not related.
 
Yes, it's true Hillary haters, just like Trump haters are very unliely to ever change their mind and that's why I thought Hillary was so foolish to spend so much of her campaign time with her most faithful followers.  She already had their votes locked secured, and she never will get the Trump base, so she should have spent her time like Trump did, trying to influence swing voters.  If she had I thing shed be President Clinton right now.
Riley Brown Added Feb 3, 2018 - 6:31pm
Flying Jr Trump's lifestyle says all he needs to about how he feels about white supremacist groups.  He supports family members who married Jews, he's strongly supportive of Israel, both qualities that obviously wouldn't be true if he had any white supremacist blood in him.
 
He'd be about as popular at a White Supremacist convention as any other "Jew Lover".
 
However that doesn't mean blue collar White Supremacists don't think they would make and get to keep more of their money if Trump was elected. 
Riley Brown Added Feb 3, 2018 - 6:35pm
Benjamin, on what basis have you concluded Hitler was a lousy speaker?  He captivated a huge audience and convinced a nation to follow him, largely by preaching to them.
 
It wasn't all talk, he also wiped out his competition in other much less kind ways.  Just because you don't agree with what he did doesn't make him a lousy public speaker any more than what the uni-bomber's actions make him a stupid person.  The two are not connected.
Mike Haluska Added Feb 3, 2018 - 8:43pm
Riley -
 
great job taking a complex issue and cutting to the chase.  Keep in mind that the left believes that "Intentions" matter - NOT RESULTS!!!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Feb 3, 2018 - 9:48pm
Riley: As i said, only because i don't like him does not him him a bad painter. He was a good painter. I judge his speeches on their own merits. Not everybody thinks that the sweaty dwarf bellowing shit without stylistic devices is 'genius'. The Germans did not have to be persuaded much. His political competition was terrible, too (BTW I never did and never will take joy in the weakness of the political left). The myth of the great speaker is there to deflect guilt.
David Montaigne Added Feb 3, 2018 - 11:08pm
The Democratic Party doesn't have much of a platform any more - hate the other candidate was the best they could do, when their own candidate offered nothing.
Riley Brown Added Feb 4, 2018 - 10:27am
Mike, sometimes I too very willingly sacrifice the results I'd like to have so that I can stand by my principals and I hear calls from Republicans and Democrats to do that, but often by people who are suggesting it's really a path to victory. 
 
I see a much more complicated world where the reality is that politics is rarely that simple.  Unfortunately both parties are generally controlled by their most loyal base, and they generally are the ones who tend to ignore reality.  Reality is that in today's politics it's the swing voters they have to influence, and their values are not in alignment with the base.  They don't believe all the twisted conspiracy theories and often start to think whoever keeps promoting them is is nuts.  The base of the Democrat party is still screaming about how Trump should not be president and swing voters are sick of hearing it, even if it's true.
 
It's the Democrats turn to be the NUTS because they are constantly hosting and condoning nothing but hated and conspiracy theories about Trump and anyone who thinks anything Trump does might be  good idea.  Yup that includes people like many swing voters who don't believe all the bad stuff they read about in the news.
Riley Brown Added Feb 4, 2018 - 10:46am
Benjamin, I feel tremendously unqualified to evaluate art and would not even try to debate Hitler's artistic skills, but have seen a lot of speeches in my lifetime and Hitler's oratory skills were very inspiring.  I agree Germany was ready and wanted a message like the one he delivered, so he had the right style and message for that time, but even so not many people have what it takes to stand up and deliver like he did. 
 
When I judge Oratory Skills I don't consider physical stature or even the value of what they are saying by my own judgement, "the sweaty dwarf bellowing shit", could be all that and a great Orator at the same time.
 
I do judge Oratory skills on their stage presence, their ability to read the audience and present ideas pervasively, and give bonus points if they are so convincing that they can "sell ice to Eskimos".   It's easy to talk kids into eating ice cream but much harder to get them to swallow cod liver oil.
Riley Brown Added Feb 4, 2018 - 10:56am
David, the Democrat party is currently leaderless.  Hillary wanted to be the Great and Uncontested All Powerful Leader and pretty much disemboweled all her Democratic competition so that they wouldn't stand a chance against her.  The Republicans don't have to go any further than Hillary's own propaganda about all the strongest Democratic leaders to find great material to marginalize them just like she did so well.
 
They also aren't the party that's making anything happen right now because they aren't in charge.  They do keep claiming all the improvements in the economy are really from what Obama put in place, but most Swing Voters are not buying it.  Swing voters are the ones who might elect a Democrat next time, if they court them, but instead the Democrats are continuing to call them idiots if they admit not being in full alignment with the Democratic base.
 
Right now Democrats are their own worst enemy, and strangely at a time when we have a President who is also his own worst enemy, via his own tweets. 
 
If I had one piece of advice for Trump's advisors, I'd tell them to take his phone away.
Thomas Sutrina Added Feb 4, 2018 - 11:06am
Hillary and Bill Clinton have been tagged as corrupt to the level of being criminal.  The Democrat party will not accept them anywhere near leadership.  Them media will still present them because they sell.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Feb 4, 2018 - 11:07am
Riley: How do you separate the stage presence from the sweaty bellowing dwarf? I don't see when Hitler 'read the audience'. Do you have an example, maybe a video, for me? I don't see Hitler react to the crowd at all, much less giving bonus points. He was infamously insecure speaking in front of people and particularly small audiences. When the crowd was big he could mentally absolve himself from the frightful situation and just deliver his prepared shtick. That is not exactly what you describe, but maybe you have seen an exceptional speech of his. I must admit that I personally did not spend much time with his speeches, exactly because I find them dreary with no end.
mark henry smith Added Feb 4, 2018 - 2:04pm
We are leaderless everywhere you look. Uncle Sam is a motherless child. The problems that face us are so daunting that there isn't a politician that will touch them in any meaningful way. It's a no-win everywhere you look.
 
The stock market takes a dive and what will that mean for Trump? He's touted the stock market as proof of his regime's legitimacy. What other legitimacy does he have?
 
Memos written by enemies of the people running investigations are cited as proof that investigations should be stopped. The right-wing radio talkers form a verification service for any half-baked idea so politicians can cite sources. Democrats think they can play the game as it was played when Bill was president, giving treats to the base. Those days are gone.
 
We are entering a new political age in the US. People want results, but they have so little understanding of the barriers, what the numbers mean, that they really can't make any reasonable decisions about who should lead. 21 trillion in debt. Individuals worth over 100 billion. How do voters wrap their minds around those numbers? How do you even begin to challenge them?
 
It is a time of Hitlers from either side of the aisle. A time of brash promises meant to buy votes, but devoid of logical account. It is a time of dictators. A time of battle. A time of blood. Go Eagles.      
George N Romey Added Feb 4, 2018 - 2:18pm
I think it’s called a Bananas Revolution.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 5, 2018 - 1:35pm
Riley
 
"Right now Democrats are their own worst enemy, and strangely at a time when we have a President who is also his own worst enemy, via his own tweets. "
 
The Dems cling to their old-time and successful bashing of corporations and tax cuts. There is nothing new here. 
 
But, the Trump Tweets seem to communicate directly  to the public what  the president wants them to hear. He says things that have to be said about crooked Hillary and other bad actors in the Dems. 
 
Every thing Trump has said has a strong political impact. That works. 
 
jmnsho
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Riley Brown Added Feb 5, 2018 - 11:46pm
Thomas I think the base hates Trump so much that Hillary could be caught read handed committing treason and they would still vote for her.  All they care about is their hate for Trump.
Riley Brown Added Feb 5, 2018 - 11:51pm
Benjamin, I don't separate the impact of a person's physical stature, but rather give those who are less attractive a few bonus points if they can overcome that handicap.
 
I've seen some of his speeches, and although he hardly fits the Aryan mold he spoke so highly of, he overcame that handicap with great oratory skills and got his point across anyway.  Think of it, he wasn't a hansom blond hair blue eye man that looked like a leader but they still became convinced he was qualified to lead them.
Riley Brown Added Feb 5, 2018 - 11:53pm
Mark, I largely agree and it astounds me how few people have bothered to do the math, it's not that complicated.  We can't spend more than we make forever, it isn't sustainable but somehow every election we pretend it is sustainable.
Riley Brown Added Feb 5, 2018 - 11:56pm
Ryck the only good thing about Trump's tweets are that we know what's on his mind and how he things.  However that doesn't help him win swing voters and that is why if I was his adviser I'd take his phone.
 
Incidentally I think tweeting was a great idea before he got elected, the news media was lying about everything he said and did, (they still do), and one reason it didn't work is because most swing voters didn't need the news media to figure out what Trump though, they could read it themselves.  If that communication had to come though the news media God knows how they would have twisted anything he said.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 6, 2018 - 10:04am
Riley
 
"Ryck the only good thing about Trump's tweets are that we know what's on his mind and how he things.  However that doesn't help him win swing voters and that is why if I was his adviser I'd take his phone."
 
Nonsense! His tweets were are are celebrated by his followers.
 
"the news media was lying about everything he said and did, (they still do), and one reason it didn't work is because most swing voters didn't need the news media to figure out what Trump though,"
 
 Lies and bias are all the losers on the far left have left. [pun]
 
He has NO advisers. 
mark henry smith Added Feb 6, 2018 - 3:37pm
Trump is hated because he really is despicable and doesn't hide it. I admire him for his honesty. But he is a pathological liar, completely driven by ego gratification, but that could also be an act that he's performing to keep the cameras focused on him. Hard to know with such a man exactly what he's thinking. He has said he believes in discordant strategy.
 
I think that if all the dems have going for them is Trump hating, it will be a losing strategy, even if it wins. We need new direction.   
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 6, 2018 - 4:20pm
MHS
 
"Trump is hated because he really is despicable and doesn't hide it. I admire him for his honesty. But he is a pathological liar, completely driven by ego gratification,..."
 
Actually he lies little or not at all. He presents his goals up front in the face of the enemy and he threatens to destroy our phony leftist  party.
 
"We need new direction.  
 
The only direction the left-wing Dems have is down with debt, high taxes, perversions and criminality. [The Clintons epitomize those last two words.]
 
Prepare for 7 more years of this..........
Riley Brown Added Feb 7, 2018 - 9:16pm
Ryck, you miss my point, its not what Trumps base thinks or wants that counts, it's what swing voters think and Trump's tweets tend to be poorly received by them.
 
Hillary missed that too, and wasted valuable time and resources partying with her base when she should have been courting voters who weren't so enamored with her.
Riley Brown Added Feb 7, 2018 - 9:18pm
Mark, Trump might be all you say, but swing voters seem to think he's made things better for them, and they are the voters who count these days.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 8, 2018 - 10:55am
Riley
 
"Ryck, you miss my point, its not what Trumps base thinks or wants that counts, it's what swing voters think and Trump's tweets tend to be poorly received by them."
 
You have little or no evidence of this as the group of "swing voters " is nebulous and ill-defined. 
 
You must admit that his Tweets and commentary against illegal immigration, lower taxes and growth won him the election against all the polls.
 
As for 'advisers,' he  probably have none he listens to very carefully
mark henry smith Added Feb 8, 2018 - 12:42pm
Come on ryck, his claims of crowd size, totally specious. I know it's not that important, but it is lying. And yes, you have to admire his willingness to just bluntly say this is what I want and I'm gonna make it happen. I actually like the bull in the china shop approach. I was never a fan of the great society ethos, at least the way it was put in play, but I believe there was real fear of a violent, black revolt and means were put in place to squelch it, both carrots and sticks.
 
The problem with Trump and his followers is that the real problems we face aren't going to be addressed. He has no interest in even talking about the deficits, just throwing more debt, more massive debt than any we've seen so far, onto the pile, and there appears no interest in changing our military strategy in conflict zones, just more of the same on steroids.
 
And as far as immigration, the tough talk and limited deportations have stopped illegal immigration in its tracks. The idea that cracking down on drug trafficking will make the problem go away is naïve. All that has done in the past is make the gangs more violent, the money more dear, and the prisons more crowded. Legalize, control, make it safer, take all the thrill out of it, has actually been shown to reduce consumption over the long haul. But taking the illegal profits out of it is the key to ending the violence.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 8, 2018 - 1:06pm
MHS
 
"Come on ryck, his claims of crowd size, totally specious. I know it's not that important, but it is lying."
 
Worth a penny in a hundred dollar poker game. How trivial! You sound like CNN.
 
"The problem with Trump and his followers is that the real problems we face aren't going to be addressed"
 
You do not know  that. Look at the tax cuts and cuts in regulations for business. Those are two key "problems we face" that are being addressed.
 
"Defund the left"--Ronald Reagan
 
"And as far as immigration, the tough talk and limited deportations have stopped illegal immigration in its tracks. "
 
I do not think so. The votes from illegal aliens are precious and necessary for the left to keep even in this battle. It is in the interest of the drooling left to import more poverty. 
 
"But taking the illegal profits out of it is the key to ending the violence."
 
Drugs are stronger than people so what about the ODs?? You think legalizing drugs will result in fewer deaths from over doses??
mark henry smith Added Feb 9, 2018 - 1:05pm
Yes, I do. The OD's have been traced to fentanyl, such a potent, synthetic heroin that no one knows how to dose properly and thus the spike in OD's. If the drug was legal, this would not be a problem, nor would hepatitis from shared needles. Now, I'm not saying that the use of opioid pain medications shouldn't be restricted, that's what's hooked a lot of people, but in studies where drugs have been given to addicts, when they lose the fear of not being able to get a fix, their behavior changes. They become much more responsible. Methadone treatment shows this.
 
But I am not an advocate of drug use. I believe that it should be healed by getting at the underlying problems. In some drugs, that have physical withdrawal, getting people off the drugs is extremely difficult, but unless the underlying mental condition isn't treated, relapse is almost certain.
 
The terrible things associated with drugs, the violence, the selling of sex for a fix, the mental and physical deterioration, the theft, the lying, the inability to take care of oneself, are not about the drugs. They're about the behavior around drug abuse, and we know this is true because we have addicts in all positions in society, and addicts with resources are not considered problems until they do something stupid.
 
The stigma associated with drug addiction is the biggest hindrance to it being dealt with in a sensible manner. Look at how we classify drugs. Marijuana is classified with heroin. Tobacco isn't even on the list. Nor is alcohol. That's insane.      
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 10, 2018 - 12:24pm
MHS
 
" The OD's have been traced to fentanyl, such a potent, synthetic heroin that no one knows how to dose properly and thus the spike in OD's."
 
Ever hear of heroin?
 
"


How many drug overdoses were there in 2016?
 






• Drug overdose is the leading cause of accidental death in the US, with 52,404 lethal drug. overdoses in 2015. Opioid addiction is driving this epidemic, with 20,101 overdosedeaths.
related to prescription pain relievers, and 12,990 overdose deaths related to heroin in."--https://www.google.com/search?q=drug+that+produces+most+overdoses&oq=drug+that+produces+most+overdoses&aqs=chrome..69i57.15334j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8




mark henry smith Added Feb 11, 2018 - 3:04pm
There will always be OD deaths. How many people died of alcohol poisoning in 2015? Do we even know?
 
Legalization puts some level of control over the quality and distribution of drugs, allows for some revenue to be generated, takes away much of the violence that centers around the vast amounts of money to be made. And it would remove enormous numbers of people, mainly minorities, from our prisons and return them to society to be more productive, hopefully.
 
But on a health level, it would take away the stigma of drug use and allow for better treatment. I'm not sure AA has really done that much to curb drinking, since many kids still treat alcohol like an illegal drug and binge behind closed doors leading to lifetimes of poor drinking habits.
 
How drugs are associated with behavior has a lot to do with how they're used. Teaching responsible usage requires examples of real life behavior showing this. Kids teaching kids about alcohol is the worst scenario, or kids teaching kids about much of anything.    
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 11, 2018 - 5:08pm
MHS
 
"Legalization puts some level of control over the quality and distribution of drugs, allows for some revenue to be generated, takes away much of the violence that centers around the vast amounts of money to be made"
 
25 years on: the end of Zurich’s open drugs scene
'https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/the--needle-park-_25-years-on--the-end-of-zurich-s-open-drugs-scene/42934308
 
"The Platzspitz or “Needle Park” in Zurich was an open drugs scene in the 1980s and early 90s when heroin users could freely inject the drug without being arrested. As addicts and dealers flooded in from across Europe, the world looked on in horror, until authorities shut it down in 1992.
Located just behind the Swiss National Museum, close to the city’s central railway station, it was open from 1987. It gained notoriety as the situation spiraled out of control, with hundreds of dealers and addicts packed into the park, and many people desperately needing urgent medical care on a daily basis. A number of doctors volunteered their time, at first against the will of the authorities, to treat drug users with infected, weeping wounds or in cases of overdoses, and to hand out clean needles. The authorities then allowed the doctors to work in this way in the park.
However, the authorities later gave into heavy political pressure and police were sent in leading to chaotic scenes of addicts being forced to flee, without any alternative to turn to. No organised social support had been set up in its place. “Needle Park” closed for good on February 5, 1992. A heavy gate was put in place across the entrance to the park."
 
This was a total failure .
mark henry smith Added Feb 12, 2018 - 2:52pm
But, ryck, it wasn't legalization. It was accepted criminalization which gives you the worst of both alternatives. I'm not for safe injection sites at all. I'm for legalization, taking the stigma out of drug use. As your comment shows, all having safe injection sites does is bring all of the problems to one place and create one big problem.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 12, 2018 - 5:18pm
MHS
 
"But, ryck, it wasn't legalization. It was accepted criminalization which gives you the worst of both alternatives. "
 
It was a government decision to do this. 
 
Legalizing dope will just incur more losers and deaths. 
Riley Brown Added Feb 12, 2018 - 9:02pm
Ryck how can it not be about the swing voters, they are the only ones whose minds are likely to change.  Do you think there is anything you can do to a committed Hillary or Trump supporter that will make them change their minds?  Could you envision any world where either of them will vote for the ENEMY? 
 
Only swing voters might switch sides and the margin of electoral votes was sooooo close this time in many critical states I don't see how anyone can think it couldn't have easily gone the other way if Hillary had just spent a little more time in one or two critical states.
Riley Brown Added Feb 12, 2018 - 9:12pm
Mark about 88,000 people die a year from alcohol related deaths.  It wrecks families, destroys people and makes them do incredibly stupid thing, like think they can drink and drive safely.  About half the drownings involve alcohol which is amazing when you consider that tops the number of children who can't swim. 
 
If you want to die by doing something really stupid, or kill someone over something equally stupid, drinking is a great way to start.
 
I look around and pot isn't as bad, but it isn't that good either.  I'm seeing lots of people drive High, and I know they aren't all there.  Even just the smoke, can't be all that good for them. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 13, 2018 - 12:04pm
Riley Brown
 
Here is a blog I wrote ab out a decade ago that discusses party size and the value of any person's vote. I agree with much of what you said:
 
On the Value[lessness] of Your Vote
 
"The ’theory of voting’ has blossomed since just before World War II [1] although it abounds with multifarious variations too intense and intricate for the common voters to notice and most physicists to grasp the fundamentals. The easiest way to view the voting ‘right’ is to take into consideration the ’value’ of your vote on an arbitrary scale from 0 to 1.0 for any political contest offered to the masses. This is an unsophisticated charade, but it is all we have unless we read the polls to guide us, which are phony and change drastically during the intense buildup to an election. We can start with a survey of several forms of government and their voting habits, the term democracy being functionally worthless in most cases, and calculate the value of your vote in a political system where there is, in the first example, only one party.
 
"Are votes really equal if not worthless in many cases or are they moderately valuable in limited cases?  The votes cast for Eugene Debs in the name of socialism probably had no value at all, demonstrating only a tautological essay in mental somnambulism or lunacy. Debs was probably a heartthrob only for losers, Marxists, hobos, non-voting migrant workers and certain inhabitants of Oakland, Boston and San Leandro. Votes are not equal from region to region! Let us ask: How many votes does it take to get Senator Joe Biden of Delaware elected compared to Senator Feinstein of California. Biden got about 70,000 votes last election and California Senators required several million to win. It should be clear that unit votes to elect Senators from different states are not very equal, by a mere ratio of 75:1 or so in big/little ratio, but are closer to equality for House Representatives unless your state is very small and rates a Congressional District regardless of the population. Note, also that all small states have two Senators just like big states. Biden has much more power than Feinstein or Schumer. Consider the table below:"
 




No of Parties


Party Fractional Distribution


Maximum Value of Your Vote


Comments




0


0


0


No chance to vote.




1


100% one party


0


Don’t bother to vote unless the Commissar is watching




2


90%/10%


0


Don’t bother to vote.




2


50%/50%


1.0 or so


Get to the ballot box!




3


49%/49%/2%


1.0


Max voting power if you vote in the minority party that provides the extra majority or plurality votes or provides essential crossover votes.




4


49%/49%/1%/1%


1.0


Same as above with more technical difficulties. The two 1% parties may oppose each other and cancel out.




 
"The political excitement soars when there are the dreaded splinter parties that now become kingmakers in the political parlance. Here, the control of the political world fades away and drifts unceremoniously into the hands of a few voters, most of whom are only reflexively reacting upon their emotions, an outcome that frustrates seasoned politicos. For the case where three parties are distributed as 49%/49%/2% the 2% [or small splinter party] becomes the kingmaker as shown by George Wallace in 1968 and Ralph Nader some time later in 2000. Splinter parties can invent some regal and lofty notions and make unreasonable demands upon the big parties in carnival contest terms and now any wispy or silly notions about Majority Rule or other delusions vanish in the political mists. There is a fast hustle to fix the outcome with promises. Power is at risk. We do not know if Wallace was offered anything, however. The big parties usually knuckle under with a smile as they have little choice but to grovel ingloriously at the feet of their sudden political superiors and submit to some of the demands of the splinter group although they will never give up everything. Plans for future legislation
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 13, 2018 - 12:05pm
Sorry my formatting attempts failed. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 13, 2018 - 12:07pm
No of Parties      
0              0              0              No chance to vote.
 
1              100% one party 0              Don’t bother to vote unless the Commissar is watching
 
2              90%/10%             0              Don’t bother to vote.
 
2              50%/50%             1.0 or so               Get to the ballot box!
 
3              49%/49%/2%     1.0          Max voting power if you vote in the minority party that provides the extra majority or plurality votes or provides essential crossover votes.
 
4              49%/49%/1%/1%             1.0          Same as above with more technical difficulties. The two 1% parties may oppose each other and cancel out.
Spartacus Added Feb 13, 2018 - 1:09pm
I look around and pot isn't as bad, but it isn't that good either.  
 
I agree with your comments Riley.  Any drug we consume, there is a price to pay.  That includes caffeine.
 
I learned some time ago that alcohol and caffeine were my worst enemies.  Caffeine created anxiety and wrecked my sleep even though I thought I was getting enough rest.  After eliminating both alcohol and caffeine, I am 100% healthier and sleep wonderfully.
 
Pot is just another drug that will have a price for our youth.  I see it every day as people, I see who use that drug, lose their critical reasoning abilities.  It's sad actually.  And will be quite dangerous for society as more people lose the ability to reason.
 
mark henry smith Added Feb 13, 2018 - 3:25pm
I agree William, as a long term pot smoker who recently quit totally and have no interest in smoking at all, four months now and much healthier in body, mind, and spirit, I do not support recreational use, but I've known in my own case that it made me much less aggressive and that was something that kept me out of serious trouble. And it does have uses in the relief of pain. On the scale of dangerous drugs, I would put pot way down, below cigarettes and alcohol. It's less addictive and it's inebriated state is much less debilitating and long term use is less harmful to the body.
 
I would hope that all people accept that sobriety is the best ally in building a better life and a better future, but as a coffee, tea, and glass of wine with dinner person, things that give me great pleasure and cause me little consternation, I believe moderation is acceptable.    
Riley Brown Added Feb 16, 2018 - 9:36am
Ryck, nice post and two comments.  First not to complain but I live in the Democratic Republic of California, and since we don't have a true democracy I don't really feel like my vote counts.  It really doesn't matter how I vote or even if I don't, the weight of my vote will help the Democrats every Presidential election since we are a winner takes all state.
 
Second, your analysis shows why it might be wiser for either side to focus on getting out their own bases vote, than trying to convince anyone from the other side or even swing voters, to change their minds.
 
I think it's funny that Hillary voters waste so much energy trying to demonize Trump for having stolen the election with help from Russia, when they did so much to loose the election themselves.  It was easily within their reach and they blew it, and if they keep making themselves the party of "we hate Trump", they just might lose again.
 
They aren't "worse than Trump", but they are proving they are too stupid and irate to step back from their pity pool and figure out what they need to do in order to become the party swing voters LIKE.
Riley Brown Added Feb 16, 2018 - 9:41am
William, no drug beats healthy food and exercise
Riley Brown Added Feb 16, 2018 - 9:47am
Mark Henry, I think moderation is a good motto for most recreational things, including video games, movies, sex, alcohol, coffee, and even pot. 
 
A little pot doesn't seem to hurt anyone, all I need to do to realize is look at the 70's generation right now.  Most gave up pot ages ago, and there are no signs of damage, they went on to lead very responsible and productive lives.
 
I can't say the same about tobacco and other more serious drugs, most of the people I know who used them got hooked on them paid heavy prices.  Few just walked away without damage.
mark henry smith Added Feb 16, 2018 - 1:16pm
Riley, right on.
 
The list that categorizes drugs by levels of danger for government policy is insane. I have never met a pot smoker of regular, heavy usage who suffered the same mental decline as a regular, heavy drinker. And cocaine, which was touted as safe when I was young, because so many great people had used it, has now been shown to have severe long-term consequences in shaving emotional dynamics.
 
The dems are stuck. They have tied their horse to the nanny state and are riding it to the glue factory. The reps are stuck. They've tied themselves to the extremists and are riding angels to Heaven while armed with ak47s. And everybody has become beholden to the money.
 
I was at a dem meeting the other night and they're talking about going out and knocking on doors, calling people repeatedly, getting the money to compete because the reps will have 15 million in the blink of an eye.
 
One of my theories about why Trump won was because he didn't have a grass roots campaign. There weren't people knocking on your door, calling you, constantly harassing you into giving to the cause, as if the end of the world is coming. And he didn't clutter up the airwaves. He had a well disciplined group of conservative commentators who mouthed his message. On social media he had people who constantly pointed out the flaws of Hillary, flaws which she only compounded. And Hillary people were so annoying and confident and everywhere.
 
The next election will show the power of the internet and free media, how the appeal of television is losing out to other outlets. And to make an add effective, it will have to be entertaining, like a little story that people watch for no other reason than it's fun. And wit the technology now, the day of the cold call, the relentless money pitch will become less and less valuable. Thanks Riley. California dreamin'.
       
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 16, 2018 - 3:48pm
MHS
 
"The dems are stuck. They have tied their horse to the nanny state and are riding it to the glue factory. The reps are stuck. They've tied themselves to the extremists and are riding angels to Heaven while armed with ak47s. And everybody has become beholden to the money."
 
Exactly. Who can they push? Bernie or another of the Kennedy Klan of crooks and dopers? Oprah?
Flying Junior Added Feb 17, 2018 - 3:26am
I get that this is a little bit late in the game to bitch about Russian collusion.  But DJT, the monster himself, brought it up just yesterday in a tweet, so it must be eating him out internally.
 
Donald J. Trump


 
@ Real Donald Trump



 
Russia started their anti-US campaign in 2014, long before I announced that I would run for President. The results of the election were not impacted. The Trump campaign did nothing wrong - no collusion!
 
12:18 p.m.  Feb. 16, 2018
 
How would Trump know so much about Russian sabotage if he was not complicit?
 
Yes, Riley, we would like to win.  I bet you dick-smokers would like to win again at least one time without cheating.
 
 
Riley Brown Added Feb 17, 2018 - 12:09pm
Junior, the Russians and other countries like China have been messing with us for a whole lot more than a few years, this is only news because Hillary supporters have nothing better to throw at Trump and they are desperate.  If they could catch Trump doing something wrong like getting a blow job from an intern, in the White House, they would dump this made up Russia news in the blink of an eye and be all over it, just like when that did happen to Bill Clinton.
 
For over 20 years Russia has had people in the US whose job it is to get close to people with influence on our government and use them any way they can.  They are political lobbyists and we have always know they were there.  Many openly attend government functions just like other lobbyists.
 
The latest Russia news reflects exactly that.  The investigation revealed the Russians had an agenda they were trying to sell to prominent people in the US and NONE of them could be enticed.  That effort was not just limited to people who might influence Trump, they tried the same with Hillary's side, probably even harder because everyone thought she was going to win.  Efforts with Trump supporters were probably just the back up plan.
 
There is nothing wrong or illegal about being the target of a failed Russian effort to influence our government, if the party they wanted something from did not collude with the people trying to influence them, and it looks like that's what happened with Trump.
 
Even if the Russians had pictures of Trump committing adultery in the White House, and gave it to Hillary so she could dethrone him, don't think that's a crime for them to do or her to accept.
 
The Russia probe has not found anything Trump did wrong, and at this time it's just a Witch Hunt so the Democrats have something to wine and cry about every day.  I don't want to be the pity pool party do you?
 
 
Riley Brown Added Feb 17, 2018 - 12:17pm
Ryck, I agree about the Democrats, they are commuted to the nanny state, but disagree about the Republicans, I never hear them say they like school shootings, they just keep saying more gun control isn't going to solve the problem.  I agree.
 
Just off the top of my head I can think of a half dozen laws that should have stopped the last shooter, and he IGNORED all of them.  There are more people killed in Detroit every month than he killed, and mostly by people who aren't allowed to own guns because they are felons.  A background check, or even an outright ban on sales to unqualified people will never stop a committed nut with a semi auto shotgun and NO ONE, not even the most committed gun control nuts have asked us to ban shotguns.
 
Trump's biggest problem is that he's hated by the Democrats and Republicans.  
Riley Brown Added Feb 17, 2018 - 12:23pm
Junior, I just reread you post and would suggest if you want to sway swing voters you refrain from references to blow jobs,
 
" I bet you dick-smokers would like to win again at least one time without cheating. "
 
You are hurting your cause by:
 
Hurtling insults at many of the very people you'd like to get on your side
 
And
 
Reminding them that Hillary's husband did commit adultery in the White House.
 
You are doing exactly what I told you put Trump in the White House.
George N Romey Added Feb 17, 2018 - 12:26pm
I agree the establishment Democrats are trying to fight in a 1992 way. Talking point memos, carefully crafted messaging and “grass roots” are out. People are increasingly seeing the falsehoods behind it all. Trump went to those key states and correctly pointed out the emperor has no clothes.
 
Now whether Trump is going to keep promises is another matter. 
 
Both of these parties will continue to trot out Clinton/Bush type candidates and keep alternating voices like Sanders out. Trump is in because the Republicans massively miscalculated his ability to win. They will never make that mistake again.
 
Voter apathy will continue to mount as both of these parties become more irrelevant to the masses.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 17, 2018 - 12:33pm
'Now whether Trump is going to keep promises is another matter.'
 
If he does yer party is finished. Good riddance
 
Riley Brown Added Feb 17, 2018 - 2:37pm
George,
 
Trump's going to find it really tough to keep all his promises, since he is hated by the Republican politicians almost as much as by the Democrats.  Obama was loved by the Democrats and still had problems getting all the votes he needed to pass everything he wanted, so of course it will be even harder for Trump.
 
That's not his fault, he's really more of an independent trying to tear both parties apart than a Republican promoting their agenda.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Feb 17, 2018 - 2:44pm
Trump is a business person--not a politico.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Feb 18, 2018 - 9:07am
Obama was screwing the people and having them love it. He took away numerous rights to privacy. He was a nice corrupt guy. They have fooled Blacks long enough. So Blacks sat on it.
Riley Brown Added Feb 18, 2018 - 8:56pm
Rupert, I think everyone likes to dream big but most realize the odds and go for things they have a have good odds of achieving.   Poor people want respect and I think anything that offers the possibility of respect, power and money, like the NFL does, has the power to sucker them.  What really makes me sad is when a child is encouraged by well meaning adults, to go for the gold, pursue their dream, instead of being directed towards a good education that is much more likely to retire them in comfort.
 
Dogs love to chase cars but few catch them.  Kids love to be told they are headed to the NFL but few make it and like the dogs that would be disappointing if they actually caught a car, most NFL players live to be old enough to realize they would have been better off if they had focused on a good education instead of Football.
 
Certainly all the thousands of kids who didn't even get that far would have been much better off if they had just ignored all the hype and focused on their book work.
Cliff M. Added Jun 10, 2018 - 7:17pm
The Democrats have an extremely muddled message and are letting their current advantage whither away.They are lacking in the strong leadership department.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:44pm
"Oh but now Democrats are the party of hate,..."
 
They were before and it worked for them. That is all they know other than taxation and massive spending .