Where Have All The Christians Gone?

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Long time passing.


The demise of Christianity was declared in 2018, and the declaration was made by the current generation of Evangelical Christian leaders who assumed the mantle of leadership from their fathers. Jerry Falwell Jr. of Liberty University, tweeted the following: "Jesus said love our neighbors as ourselves but never told Caesar how to run Rome - he never said Roman soldiers should turn the other cheek in battle or that Caesar should allow all the barbarians to be Roman citizens or that Caesar should tax the rich to help poor. That’s our job." This was in response to Tony Perkins, head of the Family Research Council, who stated in the mulligan interview, "Evangelical Christians were tired of being kicked around by Barack Obama and his leftists. And I think they are finally glad that there’s somebody on the playground that is willing to punch the bully."


So the last bastion of Evangelical Christianity, having sold its soul literally to the devil in order to accomplish its legislative and judicial agendas, now has openly admitted its hypocrisy against following the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament. You know, all of that squishy liberal stuff about turning the other cheek, and overturning the moneychanger's tables in the temple, and dining with tax collectors and prostitutes. Well, at least on that last count, Donald Trump has shown that he is more than willing to share space with a prostitute, and even to provide recompense for silence. I guess he turned the other cheek in order to have it paddled with the copy of Forbes.


For those of us who have wandered in the wilderness of the mainline Protestant churches, we have long awaited an exposition like this from the holier than thou crowd. I would gloat at the naked display of hypocrisy, but that would seem too much like hubris, i.e. pride, and you know, that is one of the seven deadly sins. But for us, it has long been apparent that actual Christian culture left the building a long time ago. Ironically, our current President Donald Trump formed whatever religious beliefs he has under the tutelage of the originator of the prosperity gospel, Norman Vincent Peale. The Power of Positive Thinking is the progenitor of the prosperity gospel movement, where worth is measured by the bank account rather than by beliefs in the gospel. This bastardization of the biblical message has grown by leaps and bounds over the subsequent decades, and now, wrapped in its mantle of praise bands and lyrics to hymns displayed on screens inside of modernistic sanctuaries, has completed a hostile takeover of the message of the gospel. Combine this with those who discern prophetic messages about the ascension of Donald Trump from Youtube videos, it completes the surrealistic transformation of the evangelical wing of the Christian church.


Back in the late 1970's, there was serious discussion about whether Ronald Reagan would be accepted by Christians since he was "DIVORCED". The answer was clear, divorce was no longer a barrier to electoral success. Still, the issue of marital fidelity consumed the Evangelical crowd, so much so that when President Clinton had his infamous encounter with the blue dress, the response from the Evangelical community was not whether Bill Clinton deserved impeachment, but whether he deserved to be drawn before being quartered. Now, two decades later, the Evangelical community has chosen to cling to the robes of a charlatan who pretends when it is advantageous, to pay lip service to the precepts of Christianity. Or at least the Christianity he heard in his younger days. Now he is happy to have his little cracker during those infrequent times when he attends a church service. He has abandoned all pretense at following marital vows of fidelity, but then again, he got a mulligan.


So the Faustian bargain has been struck, and the Evangelical Christians are reaping the benefits. They've gotten judicial nominations aplenty, and the vacancies within the court system that were prevented from being filled by the Republicans during Obama's terms of office, are being stuffed with judicial candidates that are declared as unqualified. The liberal organization calling the candidates unqualified? None other than the American Bar Association, a hotbed of liberal activism.


What else have the Evangelical Christians received as their part of the bargain? Daily doses of the violation of the commandment against bearing false witness (lying) from their dear leader. The honor of being represented by a government that believes the worst of anyone who does not look like America in the 1950's - white, male, and macho. They've received reinforcing messages that the rest of the world owes the US - owes us trading relationships that always favor the US (because we deserve it so!), owes us unilateral obedience when we complain about another country (but don't say anything about abrogating multi-lateral relationships and treaties), owe us respect when we take action that is nearly universally decried in the United Nations. We've gone, in one single year, from a nation that was respected for our moral position and standing (whether we deserved it or not), to one that is now being actively and deservedly disrespected for our selfish and short-sighted policy pronouncements and our diplomacy via tweet.


But the vast majority of Trump's Evangelical supporters won't consider that their leader is the antithesis of a moral follower of Christ. No, instead he is the first adherent of the Church of Celebrity ever to hold high national political office inside of the US. And as such, he is remaking the moral code of the nation into one befitting this new religion. It is now, what's in it for me, and how much can I take, and what can I get away with. Those are the precepts driving the actions of this administration.


Still, it does not seem to matter. What matters to many is that Trump speaks his unfiltered thoughts via twitter. He does not need any intermediary in order to shovel his best covfefe into the brains of his addled followers. They can judge the validity of his statements on their own. And why in the world would we ever need eloquence in the political sphere? Eloquence, like competence and expertise, is much overrated in this day and age. When anyone and everyone can state something as a fact, and dare the world to contradict it, why do we need universal standards of behavior? It only gets in the way of our agenda.


Normality and morality are being redefined before our eyes. I hope that the deviancy that Trump has brought to our national stage is transitory, and that we can regain our moral bearing and actually be a light unto the world again. You know, back when America was Great.


Posted first on my blog https://evenabrokenclock.blog


Joanne Corey Added Feb 1, 2018 - 11:13am
My model for Christian engagement within our democracy is NETWORK, which was founded by Catholic sisters and advocates for policies in accord with Catholic social justice doctrine. I share your consternation with the way most evangelical leaders have betrayed their Christian principles in the current administration.
Dave Volek Added Feb 1, 2018 - 11:21am
It is a strange alliance indeed!
Bill H. Added Feb 1, 2018 - 11:41am
EABC - I am unable to explain the worshipping of Trump by "Evangelicals". I can only guess it is fueled by their main priority, the ending of abortion. But of course, nobody actually promotes or favors the act of abortion. It may also be simply because Trump chose Pence as his VP.
I can only guess, because Trump himself is an example of just about everything I was taught was wrong when I attended Sunday School and church as a child.
opher goodwin Added Feb 1, 2018 - 12:04pm
I just wish they were all gone - with their hypocrisy, convenient selection of texts, patriarchal attitudes, prudishness, beliefs in fictions and fictions in beliefs. The world would be a safer place.
Dave Volek Added Feb 1, 2018 - 12:53pm
If you have some spare time, take in some videos of Andy Stanley. He has very interesting perspectives on Biblical passages--and even nonbelievers can learn things from him to better their lives.
If Christianity were more aligned with Mr. Stanley, it would be in a better position to shape the world.
mark henry smith Added Feb 1, 2018 - 1:23pm
Christians have always been a little cheesy on their willingness to sacrifice success for principle. Let's not forget the protestant movement has many sects that base attainment of Godly blessing with material wealth.
The problem is that Christ didn't come to save this world and that message doesn't sound very reassuring if you don't already have a foot in the next. So Christians play all  kinds of games with themselves to justify anything they do in this world, even coming to the conclusion that Christ didn't drink wine. Not kidding. A guy here named Ryan claimed that no where in The Bible does it say that Christ drank wine and thus we shouldn't. But he supported warfare to protect American interests. Go figure.
But this kind of schizophrenia is common among believers of all religions. They don't want to take the high road of adapting their lives to the edicts of their prophets, but adapt the edicts of the prophets to their lives.
Ryan was right amongst everybody here on writerbeat in insisting that Trump would win and in the last week of the campaign I began to see his point and became much less sure of a Clinton victory. He called Trump a baby Christian when confronted with the obvious moral failings of the man. I guess we should call him a baby president too.
We should not be too strict in how we judge. Elections are rarely what people want, but what they can live with and as Ryan pointed out, evangelicals just couldn't live with Hillary Clinton. And let's face it, she was a terrible candidate and not any more Christian than Trump, perhaps less so. At least Trump is so incompetent, so egotistical, so unwilling to think beyond his own trap-like mind that he will make such a mess we might have a chance to actually turn things around.
Didn't Christ say that you can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs? If he didn't, he should have. Now I'm starting to think like an evangelical.        
Benjamin Goldstein Added Feb 1, 2018 - 1:31pm
You're damned if you do, You're damned if you don't. Trump can dine with prostitutes. Damned! Trump can decide not to follow Jesus and refuse to dine with prostitutes. Damned!
EABC: Are you religious?
Doug Plumb Added Feb 1, 2018 - 2:05pm
None of the presidents work for the people of America. They work for the United States, a corporation based in Delaware. The constitution isn't relevant in Delaware. The capital must be moved back to Philly before the constitution can be restored.
  As far as Christians go, there are plenty around. I'm one, a Kantian Christian. If I had the power I would open a Kantian church to worship reason, study the NT and the works of Kant.
  But mostly, we have to start learning law. Its a technology that has been left in the hands of the worse kind of people. How many people like attorneys? How many would like to see the return of lawyers? You cannot have this. If you want a lawyer you must become one, by definition a lawyer is one well studied at law. Attorneys do not study actual law, they know nothing of it, and admit this. They study administrative law.
  The bible is a law book, we have 2000 years of law technology developed, mostly be the Romans. We must learn how to use this and get the system back. Its too hard for most. Plenty are trying. I found Lighthouse Law the other day, a clear concise explanation of things legal are explained by these folks. I've seen all the sources on the web and read many of the old scholarly books. Lighthouse law is a great source. Start there.
George N Romey Added Feb 1, 2018 - 2:08pm
Trump fooled the Evangelicals. Remember his question on his favorite part of the Bible. The truth is they’ve lost on their 2 signature issues. Abortion is still legal and gays can get married. Can we actually still focus on what Jesus taught?
EmilyJane Iswarm Added Feb 1, 2018 - 2:35pm
I don't think of evangelicals as christians.  My theory is that they are mentally deranged people who have adapted authoritarian aspects of puritan christianity to be compatible with their psychosis.  As the power of their church has faded they are desperately casting about for ways to reassert their cult of hate and control.
Most christians aren't like that.  Many of them are very nice people who practice a mostly uncorrupted form of christianity.  I am not a christian but I do agree with many of the personal values that normal christians share.  Those values of love, forgiveness, caring for those less fortunate etc. are shared by all religions that have not completely run off the rails of their original mission, to make a better world.
opher goodwin Added Feb 1, 2018 - 2:58pm
Cheers Dave. I'll try and find time to check him out.
Dino Manalis Added Feb 1, 2018 - 4:33pm
Christianity, or any religion, shouldn't mix with politics, because it turns people off!
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 1, 2018 - 5:10pm
Joanne - thanks for sharing (yes, I'm consterned as well - is that a word?)
Dave - as they say, politics makes strange bedfellows.
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 1, 2018 - 5:12pm
Opher, just think if we actually had the rapture, maybe some of them would be gone.
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 1, 2018 - 5:16pm
Mark - yes, I agree with you and your comments. If people actually understood how revolutionary Jesus's message was, they would run the opposite way from Christianity. I find it revealing that the first Christian groups lived a communal life, sharing all possessions. Every so often, a sect forms that tries the same thing. There were several of these that got established in the 1800's in the Midwest. But now, with the perversion of the prosperity gospel, it just seems to justify greedy behavior in the name of Jesus. And I reject that.
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 1, 2018 - 5:22pm
Benjamin - my comment on the prostitutes is more based upon Evangelical's beliefs on sexuality, which did not come from Jesus, but instead came from Paul and his own version of morality that got imposed upon the early Christian church. It is the offshoot from Paul from which the Evangelical's and their sexual morality beliefs were formed. For if you lie with a prostitute, you become one with the prostitute, and thus you corrupt your flesh. That's a paraphrase from Paul, but you get the point.
I have been a member of the organized church for most of my life. Took a decade or so off after college, but it drew me back in (especially since I'm a singer). I have doubts, so that makes me legitimate. And I now belong to a church that does the work of the gospel in feeding the poor and helping the least advantaged of our city. That to me is the heart of true Christianity.
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 1, 2018 - 5:24pm
Emily - wow! You said some things very well. Can't add to your first paragraph at all.
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 1, 2018 - 5:26pm
Dino, as much as we'd like to keep church and state separate, as long as religion forms the basis for our ethics and thus our opinion on political issues, religion and politics will always be intertwined, somewhat like the snakes on the caduceus.
TexasLynn Added Feb 1, 2018 - 9:23pm
I guess my only questions (as a Christian) are, in your mind… what actions on our part would have demonstrated our commitment to our faith to your satisfaction?  Voting for Hillary?  Johnson?  Stein?  Sitting out the election as we rend our garments because no perfect Christian was on the ballot?  Why do I get the feeling nothing we ever do will satisfy you on the secular left?
Opher >> I just wish they were all gone...
As did leftist Stalin and Mao.  I hope you, Opher, and your ilk... lead long, healthy, Christian hating live... minus the fulfillment of certain wishes of course :)
Bill H. Added Feb 1, 2018 - 10:50pm
Good one Emily-
You nailed it!
Welcome to WB.
Shane Laing Added Feb 2, 2018 - 3:52am
Regarding the ten commandments in Exodus it states:  “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth."
Anyone seen Christ on the cross or statues of angels, the virgin mary in any place of worship? If any likeness applies to paintings then there's a lot of redecorating that needs to be done. Lets start with the Vatican.  Hypocrisy at its best.
Doug Plumb Added Feb 2, 2018 - 5:31am
@ EmilyJane IsWarm re "I don't think of evangelicals as christians.  My theory is that they are mentally deranged people who have adapted authoritarian aspects of puritan christianity to be compatible with their psychosis.  ..."
I think you are 100 % correct.
opher goodwin Added Feb 2, 2018 - 8:33am
EABC - roll on the rapture!
opher goodwin Added Feb 2, 2018 - 8:36am
Lynn - I don't reserve my scorn for Christians. I have the same disgust of all organised religions - made by man and used to control people - used for power and wealth creation. They are all as bad as each other. How America came to be ensnared by an archaic Arab tribal cult is beyond me. There is something severely flawed in the human psyche.
However Lynn, you'll be pleased to know that while I despise religion I do not despise their practitioners (unless they indoctrinate or fiddle with children).
mark henry smith Added Feb 2, 2018 - 11:48am
Opher, they all indoctrinate and diddle with children, that's the point. Those bastards cut off part of my penis before I had a chance to defend myself and then they had the audacity to tell me it was for my own good, to make me more Godly. How God awful. Why don't we practice adult circumcision the way some cults practice adult baptism? Let the person choose for themselves?
I cannot believe in this age that we haven't stopped this disgusting practice of butchery.
Oh, and religion and politics are the same animal dressed in different skins. The whole separation of church and state was always window dressing. There was a state religion and still is, Judeo-Christian. And the atrocities committed under that non-state religion are as bad as the Spanish Inquisition.     
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 2, 2018 - 12:48pm
Lynn, you raise a good question. As for myself, I did vote for Hillary, but reluctantly so. I did not and do not think she was the epitome of evil but she clearly did not enunciate her beliefs in a manner that many could support. But even if she had been as persuasive as Martin Luther King, her message would not have been heard by those who were poisoned against all things Clinton by the vast right wing conspiracy that still dogs her steps.
What I find particularly disturbing about the Evangelical support for Trump is that it is so willing to overlook a person's personal flaws, so much so even when they are continuing to be manifested to this day. The release of an incomplete and faulty analysis from the House Intelligence committee is nothing more than ongoing false witness emanating from the White House.
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 2, 2018 - 1:09pm
Shane, there are still those who would never take a selfie because of the prohibition against graven images. That's one thing that the folks who support public display of the 10 commandments fail to acknowledge - that even in that venerable document, we pick and choose what to obey. And the images on the crucifix surely do violate that prohibition found in the commandments.
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 2, 2018 - 1:11pm
Mark - there is only one good thing that can be said about circumcision. That is, it has been shown to reduce the frequency of certain sexually transmitted diseases like aids. Other than that, no reason. And the abysmal practice of female "circumcision" is a violation against humanity.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Feb 2, 2018 - 1:23pm
I wonder if there is such a thing as evangelical Christianity. I mean, there are people who call themselves evangelicals, but there is no institution or community really. So I wonder what people even talk about, or if they even talk about something really.
How are the claims about evangelicals substantiated about how they vote, what they believe etc. Is there really science behind it? Are there polls to back them up?
I had a look at Pew Research who surveyed a conference of evangelical leaders/priests and they say that evangelicals believe that the bible is the 'word of G-d' whatever that means. However, every second of them said that drinking alcohol is a sin. If you ask me if Jesus Christ is rather a pacifist or an alcoholic, I would take from the bible that he was an alcoholic. Wine this, wine that. I cannot quite figure. As a rule of thumb I'd say that they are people who are a bit better read in bible, nothing else.
opher goodwin Added Feb 2, 2018 - 6:19pm
Always wining.
Doug Plumb Added Feb 3, 2018 - 9:35am
Evengelical means "Israel firster", reader of the Scofield bible. It sounds like you are describing Scofield Ben.
  Christ uses the water and wine metaphor (rem: he always speaks in metaphors) to differentiate between the laws of man and the laws of God. This is why he allowed mixing of the water and the wine at the wedding.
  He warned us to be wary of those who habitually mix water with wine.
Doug Plumb Added Feb 3, 2018 - 9:37am
@Opher re"Lynn - I don't reserve my scorn for Christians. I have the same disgust of all organised religions - made by man and used to control people - used for power and wealth creation."
You got that from Karl Marx. You are a true communist. Reading you is like reading the manifesto.
wsucram15 Added Feb 3, 2018 - 11:27am
Doug..go f**k yourself.  Im not a fan of Karl Marx but dont like organized religion.  Do you want to know why..asshole?  My family got screwed up by a monsignor in the church.  A couple molested..some just mind-f88ked due to other actions. The catholic church ignored this for decades..still does. While taking up a collection plate..take that shit somewhere else.
Now I have a spiritual leader, but shes a minister and a woman.  Im sorry if I would rather trust my religious and spiritual guidance to someone who wont molest my faith.
mark henry smith Added Feb 3, 2018 - 12:41pm
The entire monarchical system of Christianity, Prince of peace, King of glory, the completely non-democratic authoritarian structure of religious organizations, except umprogrammed Quakers, Unitarians, some Christian groups, and others, leads to those most desiring of power and control to gain the command. Whether they really have the spirit of the lord, or God, or anything except personal advancement as their motivation is really hard to determine, because sociopaths are the best liars, having practiced their methods since birth. And religious institutions that determine commitment by doing a whole bunch of stupid rituals fit perfectly with sociopathic mindsets. Just going through the motions is often enough to take you places. And who ya gonna believe, some kid, or a priest, or a doctor?
The last "priest" at my last "church" was the worst of the worst. Everything was about him. He even told me, "Smith, all of your work will be in my name because I'm the one who allowed you to stay here." And then he had a plan to hire me out to some of his wealthy, New York friends and take a cut. Even Smith saw through that one.     
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 3, 2018 - 12:49pm
Jeanne and Doug - I have a son who is claiming that he is an atheist. When we discussed that with him further, he said that he does not have a problem with religion per se, but the organized church was the problem. I can identify with that even though we've not had issues with sexual abuse.
Any organization of humans will bring all the baggage of humanity even if the purpose of the organization is to teach the lessons of a religion. At the best you will have hierarchical issues. At the worst you can end up with sexual abuse. And if isolated into a cult, you can end up with Jonestown.
Doug, there is more to Opher's observation than a slavish devotion to Marxist principles.
Doug Plumb Added Feb 3, 2018 - 5:08pm
re " Im not a fan of Karl Marx but dont like organized religion.  Do you want to know why..asshole?"
Yes, I actually know why. You confuse Churchianity with Christianity. They are not the same. Christ always warned of the institutions of man and the corruption of man, including Paul I think.
re "Doug, there is more to Opher's observation than a slavish devotion to Marxist principles.  "
  A uniform and uncompromising hatred of religion comes from materialism and Marx. Your statement really doesn't seem to be the case.
  Such an absolute opinion from only experience can only be the product of the unwashed. Opher needs to deprogram.
Thomas Napers Added Feb 4, 2018 - 6:11am
Your comparison of Clinton’s marital fidelity to Reagan's is a priceless display of liberal bias.  It makes me question your ability to objectively report on any matter.  Lo and behold, this entire article is more of the same biased nonsense.  Back to Reagan and Clinton.
Reagan got married at a young age to a young actress that had been married and divorced twice before.  Their first child died and like most couples that lose a child, it broke a part their marriage.  
Clinton was POTUS and 49-years old when he was caught receiving fellatio from a 22-year old intern.  Oh and by the way, he was married.
I really don’t care what anyone does in their private lives.  However, as any common sense American knows, what Clinton did was deplorable and Reagan did nothing.  So it doesn’t surprise me one bit that Evangelicals would reject the Democratic Party.  After all, the Clinton scandal is but one example of high-level Democrats doing very un-Christian things. 
Doug Plumb Added Feb 4, 2018 - 6:50am
I don't think they put anyone in that office that is actually sane.
wsucram15 Added Feb 4, 2018 - 10:23am
No I dont confuse the church with faith..not one bit. But I did for many years because when you have those type of issues within the church, its not just about your body or your family.Its about your faith.  
Dont condescend to me.
Now EABC .. give it time, they come around, my son and daughter both did and while I refuse to now, they go to Church. For me, its a trust issue with your pastor/minister.  I have that..and attend Church with her in the most amazing places.  So Im good.
mark henry smith Added Feb 4, 2018 - 2:28pm
Doug, I agree with your assessment of the difference between Reagan's behavior and Clinton's. Reagan may have been an actor, but he was a genuinely kind man and good father.
I don't understand atheism. I can understand not accepting that proof of God's existence exists, but I cannot accept that not accepting proof of God's existence is proof that God doesn't exist. If it's a simple questioning, waiting for proof, I'd call that agnostic.
In fact, Doug, Marx did not hate religion. What he was saying is that it is the opiate of the people, an observation. He believed religion got people to act against their own self-interest and he was right in a narrow way of looking at what self-interest is. If we become completely materialistic, the act of giving up some of our material wealth when we have little, to a wealthy institution seems like insanity, but the human desire to be a part of something powerful and mysterious can be overwhelming. Look at gambling. Gambling has just taken off in the US in the last thirty years, becoming a revenue earner for governments. It has all of the trappings of a religion and I would say that you could equate the downturn in religious devotion with the upturn in gambling behavior.
Many gamblers call themselves Christians, as do adulterers, as do pedophiles, as do murderers, as do .... The lowered expectations of belief systems to get the bucks is our curse, has been the curse of Christianity throughout its history as an institution. And that is the same hair holding the sword of Damocles over our politics.  
I do not see either party being able to make a valid case for them being able to    
Edward Miessner Added Feb 4, 2018 - 2:38pm
One of the biggest and most delicious ironies is that these Evangelicals that follow Trump are following the person who has the most Neronic temperament / psychological profile since Constantine, and before him Domitian and Nero, when Revelation 13 told Christians to be on the lookout for someone like Nero. The sign that the end times have arrived is the decoding of the number of the name, which, as Rev. 13:18 states in the Greek, anyone with half a brain would be able to figure out. Well it turns out that when Nero's short name in Latin Nero Caesar and Greek Neron Kaisar are each translated into Hebrew / Aramaic and its Gematria is applied to the results, you get 616 and 666, respectively (616 is a variant reading of the number in that verse).
And speaking of 666, the DJIA dropped that many points this past Friday. Coincidence? ;^)
And there are Evangelicals who do follow the teachings of Christ and care for the poor, the sick, the needy, the widow and the orphan, but the Evangelicals who follow Trump or at least those who are most wedded to the prosperity gospel are loath to be charitable to the poor and whatnot, so they can keep the wealth to themselves or lavish it on their mall churches. Of course the corollary that those who have God's favor spiritually are also blessed materially is that those who are not blessed materially are also not blessed spiritually or have sin in their lives and so have only themselves to blame.
Disclaimer: I am not a Christian and haven't been for quite a while, and am convinced that the end times were supposed to be in Domitian's day, when Revelation was written.
Edward Miessner Added Feb 4, 2018 - 2:38pm
Jesus only dined with prostitutes, and allowed his feet be washed and anointed by one of them. Trump, on the other hand, cheated on his current wife to have an affair with a porn star!
Edward Miessner Added Feb 4, 2018 - 2:39pm
"The truth is they’ve lost on their 2 signature issues. Abortion is still legal and gays can get married."
Well they still want to get abortion and homosexuality banned. What's the point of outlawing a necessary evil in the one instance and a part of the human condition in the other? I think it's to feel self-righteous and good with one's self and one's country.
Edward Miessner Added Feb 4, 2018 - 2:39pm
"My theory is that they are mentally deranged people"
I know someone on YouTube (Calpurnpiso) who coined a term for these people, and unfortunately applied it to all Christians: "ChristPsychotics." And with these people the shoe certainly fits!
Edward Miessner Added Feb 4, 2018 - 2:42pm
Mark Henry,
At least that priest only intended to exploit you for your labor. There are plenty who exploited young men - even minors - for sport! >:^(
Edward Miessner Added Feb 4, 2018 - 2:48pm
Thomas Napers,
Yes, the Evangelicals strained at Clinton as they should have but they swallowed Trump!
Plus, the Evangelical rejection of the Democratic party goes back to 1980 when Jerry Falwell's "Moral Majority" got discovered by the news media. 
Even A Broken Clock Added Feb 5, 2018 - 10:15am
Edward - thanks for your multiple comments. You provided an interesting perspective on the issues I raised and others commented on. You might have a post on this issue in your own future.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Feb 5, 2018 - 1:15pm
Miessner: Sounds like Jesus was a bore ;-).
Edward Miessner Added Feb 5, 2018 - 3:23pm
You're welcome! I've definitely got an idea in my head on how so-called "Christians" in this country worship wealth.
Edward Miessner Added Feb 5, 2018 - 3:25pm
Not so much a bore as he was a killjoy: "But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart." That's from Matthew 5:28.
Doug Plumb Added Feb 5, 2018 - 7:00pm
re "And speaking of 666, the DJIA dropped that many points this past Friday. Coincidence? ;^)"
I think that was a rumour. Check with that woman and her cat. 8-) Snopes?
Doug Plumb Added Feb 5, 2018 - 7:03pm
Benjamin re "Miessner: Sounds like Jesus was a bore ;-).  "
The problem is that his parables never get decoded properly and people assume they mean something foolish, then have blind faith anyway. The best of Christians do it.
  The best way to understand Christianity is to read Kant's "Religion Within The Bounds Of Mere Reason". Here he explains the basic philosophy of Christ.
opher goodwin Added Feb 6, 2018 - 12:22pm
Doug - my dislike of religion is based on it being a myth and nothing to do with Marx. I've never read any Marx or supported communism. But I think I'll give it a try. You've inspired me.
Edward Miessner Added Feb 6, 2018 - 3:50pm
"I think that was a rumour. Check with that woman and her cat. 8-) Snopes?"
You don't recognise tongue-in-cheek when you see it, do you Doug? For the record, the exact drop was 665.75 points. A rounding error.
mark henry smith Added Feb 7, 2018 - 2:04pm
Joke 'em if they can't take a cat. I find that whole lust in the heart thing to be taking the appreciation of the goods a little far. These pure as snow Christians are usually anything but, as we know, just like shoveling it on others. Christ was obviously communistic in his thinking and I think people misinterpret the give unto Caesar quote to think that he's saying go along to get along. I think what he's really saying is nothing belongs to Caesar except empty promises.
I have a relative, John Humphrey Noyes who founded The Oneida Community, a purely communalistic enterprise. Even marriage was a group activity meaning sex within the group could happen between any members. All profits were shared equally. All possessions used by all. It was amazingly successful, having as its basic tenets hard work and lots of good loving, became the largest manufacturer of plate eating utensils in the world for a while and made lots of money, but was undone by greed and jealousy. And tax laws. Let that be a lesson to ye.
When is a religion not a religion? When the taxman cometh.   

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