My simple plan to end school shootings.

Let me state from the beginning. I pray for those whom lost their lives and the families that are burying their dead children.


The "gun debate" has come up again.  We must ban this, that and the other thing.  We must think of the children.


I understand, honestly.


I believe the most prudent approach should be the simplest.


Ban schools.


See how easy that was?  No more "school shootings", no more carnage of our innocent children, no more "divide and conquer" politicking to strip the rights of others.


I know that many will be against this because they've gotten used to having the cheap "daycare" we've been providing so that they (the parents) can make a career or whatever. It's all about them (the parents) until reality sets.  They gave up their rights and let someone else raise their children and those surrogates failed at the most fundamental duties, their safety and security.


Imagine with me, if you will, a country where parents actually raised their children. Where parents spent time with them and educating them, teaching them and showing them the world...  Maybe along the way, imparting their own morality to their offspring.


Take responsibility for your choices and the failures they led to. Understand that abrogating others rights doesn't negate your duties as a parent nor will it make your children safer.






Flying Junior Added Feb 26, 2018 - 2:32am
A more honest and reasonable man than yourself has already broached this topic.  So sorry to burst your bubble.  Good luck with your commenters.  You are standing on the solid rock.
Gerrilea Added Feb 26, 2018 - 3:00am
F Junior---??? I'm not aware of what "reasonable man has already broached this topic"????
If someone else has done one on this, I'll delete it.
Flying Junior Added Feb 26, 2018 - 3:26am
You seem nice.  Excuse me.  I take these discussions about public schools rather seriously.  I was talking about a guy who calls himself, DchangeO.  His topic was quite similar.  Here is the title.
Regarding really solving school violence.
It was about abolishing compulsory education.  It was a similar argument to your own.  The topic was solving the crisis that our nation has failed to deal with successively less victory every year since Columbine.
Personally, if it came down to a choice, I would support banning guns before I would support banning schools.
Gerrilea Added Feb 26, 2018 - 3:50am
F Junior-- I take any discussion seriously that is designed to give us false choices and in the process abrogate an unalienable right. 
Our educational system, as it is designed today, is nothing more than Pavlovian conditioning with an agenda.
Be clear, I do not own any firearms, never had.  I'm a constitutionalist and following the rule of law.  None of which we have because the masses have been emotionally manipulated and controlled into a false belief system that the problems  government created can now be tasked with fixing them.
Thanks for the link, I'll review the article.  I doubt a discussion of school violence will include any rational, logical or constitutional arguments.
George N Romey Added Feb 26, 2018 - 8:26am
My sense is that the economic  system we’ve been living under for the past 40 years is literally killing us. Once we ditch the profits at any cost and treating humans as machinery we might solve some of these increasing problems. Till then it will get much worse. 
Leroy Added Feb 26, 2018 - 8:30am
FJ, the two articles are completely different.  The article you reference was a serious, although misguided, attempt at resolving school shootings by removing those who don't want to be there.  I'm going out on the limb by calling Gerrilea's article sarcasm to make a social point about our schools and parental responsibility.  Maybe I am wrong, but I read it as a cry to get parents involved in their children's education--to give a damn--and not to turn this responsibility completely over to the state that has a different agenda.  
Ari Silverstein Added Feb 26, 2018 - 8:32am
Will you also ban movie theaters, churches and concerts?  Assuming a child doesn’t have parents capable of educating their own children (parents need to work, parents aren’t educated, parents are dead or deadbeats) how will these children be educated if there are no schools?
Bill H. Added Feb 26, 2018 - 10:55am
From what I see, the average parent these days (aside from their job), spends most of their time watching TV, surfing the internet, and staring at their smartphone. I would not expect them to be able to provide much of an "education" to their children at all.
I've heard some talk of web-based schooling, but there is also the possibility of what many home school supporters fear the most, an "agenda" being taught, not to mention the child being deprived of a social life with other children. During my career, I had worked with some people who had obtained Engineering degrees and "MBA's" online, and found many of them to totally lack real skills and application abilities when tasked with the realities of the job, along with difficulties with both patience and teamwork skills.
The problems we are seeing today with children has it's roots with social media, television programming quality, violent video games, pharmaceuticals, and lack of parental guidance. We not only need to tackle these problems, but need to at the very least tighten background checks on guns, and raise the age from 18 to 21 for the purchase of certain weapons. We are no longer in an era of flintlock weapons that take about a minute to reload, and we are doing a very sad job of "regulating the Militia" for sure.
Gerrilea Added Feb 26, 2018 - 11:01am
Leroy-- exactly and thank you for understanding.
Ari S--Oddly, I said nothing about banning movie theaters, churches or concerts.  Red-herrings, for now.
Funny you say those other things. 
--Who decides what "capable" is? The Almighty State, Inc???
--Why do both parents need to work again?  Our system of slave labor, that George pointed out, that uses humans as chattel.
--Why are there so many single-parent homes?  Our society accepts it as "normal".  We set up "social safety nets" that rewarded women with children.  Have a child once every couple years, you never had to work.  Bill Clinton did try to change this with Welfare Reform.  It's the only thing I agreed with that he "accomplished".
--Children that have no parents, we have multiple, redundant "safety nets" for them.  Many of which I detest, for personal reasons, but they are already in place.  There is Child "Protective" Services, adoption. Sadly, in the case of Cruz, he had "foster parents", if I'm not mistaken.
Generations ago, family would step in, today, they aren't allowed, unless you have money and a good lawyer. Churches used to help as well, "Boy's Schools", if memory serves.
The real question I'll ask, why is education mandatory again?  To better "society" and strengthen the power of the State.
Today, the question is HOW are they educated?  To become "the workers of tomorrow".  Right out of the mouths of Corporate Interests when JFK created the Labor Department.  Our educational system was turned over to them at that time. 
No thanks, if we are going to educate our children and make it mandatory then the entire system needs to be recreated, from top to bottom. 
CRM 114 Added Feb 26, 2018 - 11:15am
Education is very largely NOT mandatory. Homeschooling is allowed almost everywhere, as it is in almost all Western countries. The fundamental problems are that the parents do not have the time and/or the perceived expertise, and/or the inclination to homeschool. All three would need to be solved. 
George N Romey Added Feb 26, 2018 - 11:27am
I agree with all of these comments. Sadly given what Washington DC has become there will be no progress. Our society will continue to decline including our young people become cold stone killers.
Too many people (like some here on WB) claim we’re far better off today yet the evidence is overwhelming. I used to think that I would live to be 100 and wanted so. Given this Mad Max world we’re heading to checking out sooner rather than later doesn’t look all that bad.
This is going to get far worse.
Gerrilea Added Feb 26, 2018 - 11:43am
Bill H--  "Well regulated" does not mean what you believe.  The term, when it was written into the 2nd A meant, "functioning".  People were trained, as the militia, to defend this nation when called up, bringing their own weapons to the fight.
You can't make a national case for age requirements for firearm usage.  It would be unconstitutional.  The States have privy, as the Supreme Court has repeatedly stated.
And why are we talking about firearms and NOT the failures of the FBI, local Police and Educators?  They all knew he was a ticking time bomb and did nothing. 
Give me a monster truck at recess and the carnage will be horrendous.   Will we ban monster trucks then?
Give me a gallon of gas and ditto.
Bill H. Added Feb 26, 2018 - 11:55am
We need to look at the big picture and take care of all of the issues, not just a selective few. Much has to do with continuing and accelerating profits for those who benefit at the expense of the people, and we will continue to be bombarded with justifications as to why many of the negatives are "good for us". We are not only puppets of the media and pharma, but also the wishes and profits of the NRA.
And yes, I am a very responsible gun owner.
Gerrilea Added Feb 26, 2018 - 11:59am
CRM 114--- "Homeschooling" is not what you think it is.
A concerted effort has been underway in all 50 US States to demonize homeschooling.
Parents charged with child abuse in New Hampshire.
Parents charged truancy.
Veteran benefits denied because they homeschool.
The list goes on and on.
Gerrilea Added Feb 26, 2018 - 12:12pm
Bill H-- Guess what? I'm a NRA member, did it out of spite after Sandy Hook and my State's "Safe Act".  And I still don't own a firearm.  Wait, I'm a member of the ACLU as well.  ROFL.
Every time gun control is pushed, gun sales skyrocket. The NRA is the reason, we in NYS, have mandatory training for firearms.
The NRA doesn't make money on gun sales, the manufacturers/retailers do. 
I accept the reality that Americans, the real majority, are happy with firearm ownership. That's the real power the NRA has, we like guns.
A blanket approach is a nice idea, it will never happen, too many "special interests". Besides, as I stated, government policies created this mess and now people expect them to fix it?
CRM 114 Added Feb 26, 2018 - 12:39pm
Gerrilea - I'm aware of those efforts to demonize homeschooling. It actually applies to almost every area of fundamental freedom, such as housebuilding and water rights, and well as free speech (now know as hatespeech if it does not agree with the Government or MSM ;) ). Read Gibbon; happened at the end of the Roman Empire also - one is not allowed to opt out of the system. The Government reactions will only get worse from here on in, until vote for people entirely outside the current political landscape, or the collapse of course.
Anyway, it remains legal at present.
George N Romey Added Feb 26, 2018 - 12:44pm
Based upon what I see nothing will be done on any front. Our legislators simply cannot do the job they’re paid to do unless it benefits their big money donors.
Gerrilea Added Feb 26, 2018 - 1:02pm
George, say it isn't so?!! Damn you.  ROFL.
They are doing their job their corporate masters told them to do.
US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study
George N Romey Added Feb 26, 2018 - 1:17pm
The best Democracy money can buy!
John Minehan Added Feb 26, 2018 - 1:18pm
Have you read this?
Dino Manalis Added Feb 26, 2018 - 3:37pm
Schools must be as safe as being at home!
Dave Volek Added Feb 26, 2018 - 3:51pm
Imagine with me, if you will, a country where parents actually raised their children. Where parents spent time with them and educating them, teaching them and showing them the world...  Maybe along the way, imparting their own morality to their offspring.
Unfortunately, the world does not work this way. Banning schools would not create a mass of super-parents. I estimate that maybe 10% of the parents would pick up the slack. I can see a lot less literate, less numerical, and less critical thinking citizens if schools were banned.
And in my family, we would try homeschooling, but I don't think we would do a better job than our local school system.
And a lot of kids are growing up in families that are lacking in virtues. A good school can mitigate some that bad parental training. This is good for society.
Bill H. Added Feb 26, 2018 - 3:53pm
George - you are most likely correct, in that Trump and his puppet cabinet will simply do as they always do, just let the issue get swept under the carpet by another future issue.
The last thing we will hear from Sara Huckabee will be "The President has made his intentions quite clear......uhh........moving forward....uhh......."
John Minehan Added Feb 26, 2018 - 3:56pm
"And in my family, we would try homeschooling, but I don't think we would do a better job than our local school system."
I think that has real merit.  To trivialize it a bit, it is a "Make or Buy" decision. 
John Minehan Added Feb 26, 2018 - 3:58pm
 "target="_blank">US Is an Oligarchy Not a Democracy, says Scientific Study"
The issue then is: What is the caliber of the Oligarchy? 
Bill H. Added Feb 26, 2018 - 5:26pm
At present, we are controlled by corporations and the ultra-wealthy. The people's ability to control or change things is pretty much gone, therefore the term Oligarchy is pretty damn appropriate at this time.
I will go as far as saying we are presently moving into a combination of an Oligarchy and a Dictatorship.
When people simply sit back and "ride the bus", this is exactly what happens. Systems morph into a product of a mixture of major ingredients, just like a recipe. Now that those in power can utilize the internet, they can morph us into whatever they require very quickly. The latest tools are Amazon Alexa and Google Home. With what is in the works for these kinds of devices at both companies and other's "Skunk Works", we should all have reason to be concerned. After all, we all chose to ignore "user agreements" years ago, so the standards of privacy have all disappeared.  
Katharine Otto Added Feb 26, 2018 - 5:34pm
Your idea occurred to me, too.  Not to ban schools, but to eliminate compulsory education, at least after the three R's are taught.  People don't realize how expensive our bad educational system is.  Most of property tax goes to education, as well as over 50% of at least the Georgia state (and most likely other states) budget.  Of course the federal government provides money with strings attached, too.  
Another thing that bugs me (but this may not be directly pertinent to the shooting issue) is that schools discriminate by age.  Why aren't older people allowed to attend public schools as students?  Why are school grounds virtually abandoned after school is out and on weekends?  Why aren't they places where neighbors can meet and learn things at night?  Schools buildings and grounds could be much better utilized than they are.  More people coming and going would make it harder for a shooter to do his thing.  
George N Romey Added Feb 26, 2018 - 6:25pm
Much of what is discussed costs money. Just think what we could have afforded if there had been no Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, all the other dozens and dozens of conflicts not to mention what we’ve spent on the surveillance state. We are now so bankrupt these are nothing more than pipe dreams.
Americas best days at least for now are long gone.
Leroy Added Feb 26, 2018 - 7:42pm
The problem is that we have to depend on the people who created the mess to fix it.
George N Romey Added Feb 26, 2018 - 7:55pm
Leroy and they are unwilling and/or unable to do so.
Doug Plumb Added Feb 26, 2018 - 8:34pm
I'm certainly in favour of better education. But what scares the hell out of me is the fact that so many of you believe these school shootings are actually real in spite of contrary evidence that you won't look at. It scares me to think what you might believe next, or what you will not see next.
Steve Bergeron Added Feb 26, 2018 - 9:26pm
Homeschooling would be a better alternative than almost any public school, I think.  Far better learning environment, far less dangerous distractions (drugs, knives, guns, etc.).  Parents are back in the driver's seat, rather than allowing the inmates from the asylum to drive their kids.  
Bill H. Added Feb 26, 2018 - 10:15pm
How many out here actually believe "parents are back in the driver's seat"?
Certainly not most of the parents I am seeing in my "hood" these days.
Gerrilea Added Feb 27, 2018 - 12:16am
Thanks everyone for the conversation, had to work tonight and I'll try to address everyone here:
John M-- Thanks for the link, I'll read that, it does peak my interests, what a great find.
Dino M-- Schools being as safe as a home? Hummm... I'd love to agree but at what cost to the human psyche? Do we want our children to be "locked up" like in a penitentiary?  That does appear to be the move "they've" planned out.   We must ask "Cui bono?"
If you follow the link and watch the video, you'll be as disgusted as I was.
Dave V--  Sadly I do not believe our children are being educated, not in the manner I was or maybe you were.  They can't read, they can't do math, they don't know anything about history and "critical thought" is beyond them at this moment.  The are taught what to think and believe.  Whether or not you agree.  I have co-workers that had master degrees in education and they truly believed it was their duty to modify the children's morals.  NO. That is the responsibility of the parents and family or church.
That said, I've never met an evil child.  They are taught to be evil.
Bill H-- Agreed, Americans have been conditioned to accept their role "riding the bus" and to relinquish their rights for a new shinny widget. Wait I'm mean convenience.
I'll say it again: "Freedom isn't for the weak."
Katharine O--- I do agree, after the basics are actually taught.  Those that wish to continue, should and those that want life to begin, let them at it.  If I recall the Swedish system doesn't allow their children to be in school more than 6 hrs and they don't start until they are 7 yrs old to 16 yrs old.  After that it's over for them.
That's only 9 yrs of mandatory education.
It would be nice to see the publicly funded buildings etc be used by the public after school is over.  On the downside, I can see nefarious things being done by those inclined to hurt others being made easier.  They could go into a school at night and put bombs in garbage cans or similar or even a bio-weapons in a bathroom or water fountains.
George R-- Yep, we've spent trillions on "tending" the rest of the world, giving the elite 1% trillions and leaving our descendants in perpetual poverty unable to pay our bills.
Leroy-- I cannot agree.  The Hegelian Dialectic of "problem-reaction-solution" must end.
We don't need them. We can do it ourselves, together.
Doug P-- I've gone down many rabbit holes and I agree with you, sadly.  See my reply above to Leroy.
Bill H-- Today, we are mere cattle being led to the slaughter house.  If parents took their rightful place and control back, heads would roll.
Doug Plumb Added Feb 27, 2018 - 5:51am
re "The problem is that we have to depend on the people who created the mess to fix it.  "
The problem is that we do not actually recognize the problem. Most people want the problem to match up to their own world view, they will not look at evidence to the contrary.
Terror has always been a tool of governments. Its not something people actually do. It has been used as a tool for government throughout history, since the written word or before. If our governments are setting these shootings up then there is nothing new about this and nothing unusual about this.
The truth is easy to see, you just have to be able to look.
wsucram15 Added Feb 27, 2018 - 8:11am
Hey G...
My only experience with a shooter was when my son was in elementary school.  Which of course is located near a residential area. On a given day years ago a man decided he would stockpile some ammo and guns, went off his bi-polar meds and crawled through the under ground pipes and tunnels to escape police looking for him to our little neighborhood.
He was looking for his girlfriend and her son who had gotten away from him and were at her parents house near the school.  He held that neighborhood at bay for two days until he shot everyone in the parents house including himself.
People could not leave their homes and they could not go home. FBI and other Feds had everything sealed off. 
Its not the place...its the legislation. The 2nd amendment does not protect semi-automatic weapons, nor does the 2008 SC case which actually gives the wording of allowing individuals guns for protection in instances of defense. Scalia a conservative and hunter wrote the decision.   But he also warned of going too far.
Perhaps other things need to be done as well..or not as much.  But compromises need to be made here.
Gerrilea Added Feb 27, 2018 - 9:55am
Wsucram15--  Why are we given only 2 false choices?  We could debate what the 2nd A means but that's moot.  I will state this: it's not for hunting nor do we have 2 classes of citizens, "military' vs "civilian".  That too is a false choice and dichotomy.
We The People ARE the MILITIA, as per the 2nd Amendment restrictions on our government state.
When it comes to Scalia, I'm glad he's dead.  He was a criminal just like the rest of them, "legislating from the bench", making stuff up to match his worldview that just so happens to protect the Almighty State that he was a minion of.
Review the case of Troy Davis: In Scalia's argument, to paraphrase:
      "Just because you're actually innocent of the crimes you've
      been convicted of doesn't stop us from executing you
And please don't forget what those criminals on the Supreme Court have also decided, with Scalia giving the majority opinion in Castle Rock V Gonzalez. 
This case, above any other should make Americans wipe the slate clean with a 2nd American Revolution.  Scalia argued that the police have no constitutional duty to protect us, EVEN if there are State laws requiring such.
UNDERSTAND this, please. The police, after we've spent billions on their training, equipment, salaries & benefits, DO NOT HAVE TO PROTECT US, period.
Who does then?
They've created a nation of victims.  No thank you, while I've never owned a firearm, I'll be damned if they're now going to tell me I can't us said tool when and if needed.  The one tool that makes me equal to that 6'8" home invader, rapist or person(s) whom wish me harm, especially agents of the Almighty State.
When it comes to gun confiscation, gun restrictions or alleged, "common sense gun control".  I will stand against any and all proposals UNTIL you pay for armed private security guards for myself and my family, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  NO exceptions.
If you are unwilling to pay for my safety and security, then let me defend myself with the most effective tool we've created.
Gerrilea Added Feb 27, 2018 - 10:02am
Doug P-- Agreed.  It's on the level of cognitive dissonance.  People, when shown the truth will deny it, especially if it goes directly against their view of their world. Some will get angry and violent if you try to tell them the truth. 
There have been studies done through the years that shows how people will "block out" reality.  It's truly frightening.  I still recall this one video demonstration where a man in a gorilla suit entered into a classroom and out of the 35 people there, only 3 people actually saw it.  The majority didn't see the gorilla walking around the room.
And yes, the elite "controlling class" use terror as a weapon to control the masses.  As long as you fear, you're ours. It matters not what you fear, be it, the black man walking down the street, the terrorists in caves in Afghanistan or that kooky neighbor of yours. 
Tracy Kolenchuk Added Feb 27, 2018 - 10:14am
You need to be a bit more comprehensive.  If we want this to work we need to ban concerts, sports events, and any other place where people might gather together.  We could eliminate all mass murders by not allowing people to meet in groups  for any purpose.  I think it's been tried - but for other reasons. 
Mass shootings are an illness, but not an illness of individuals, they are illnesses of the community.  We need to fix the communities, not break them. Unfortunately, to many americans, that sounds like comm-unism. Communism made no attempt to fix communities either, it made deliberate attempts to suppress them. 
Gerrilea Added Feb 27, 2018 - 10:26am
Tracy K-- I can't get on board with your ideas, sadly.
Mass shootings reveal that our society failed.  This does not mean society can fix it either, obviously.  If "society" could, they wouldn't be happening.
It starts in the home.  That's where we must begin.  It get compounded with the mandatory "edumacation" that emotionally manipulates and conditions the masses like Pavlov's dogs.
And that conditioning clearly doesn't work for everyone or anyone, dare I say.
When we surrender our duties and obligations to the "collective", why do we blame everyone else when it fails???
We did it to ourselves.
Frosty Wooldridge Added Feb 27, 2018 - 10:27am
Humans  have been slaughtering each other from the dawn of humanity. Won't change now or ever. It's the nature of being an animal.  At the same time, yes, we need community and cultivating each new baby and young person into feeling a part of community. However, in America, that's not happening in Chicago, LA, NYC and beyond.  Not enough fathers stay with the women they impregnate to bring up healthy children.  
Gerrilea Added Feb 27, 2018 - 10:42am
Frosty W-- Sounds like you're saying, "It takes a community to raise a child".  Sadly I cannot agree.  There are a couple of reasons why people have children out of wedlock.  The first is the fake War on Drugs, the second was/is our "social safety nets" that rewarded women if they were pregnant.
The war on drugs destroyed the family, especially the black family.  Today 3-5 black children are born into families that have someone that was either in jail, is currently in jail or they have family members that have been arrested. 
It is the responsibility of the parents to raise their own children, not mine or yours or "society's".
Doug Plumb Added Feb 27, 2018 - 12:31pm
Above all else, we live in a propaganda state. If everyone knew how effective propaganda could be, even back in the 20's and could understand the power magnification factor that technology gives, they would be scared shitless, about what the neighbor may be made to believe if nothing else.
Ari Silverstein Added Feb 28, 2018 - 4:54am
Movie theaters and other public venues where people are likely to be unarmed are just as soft as schools.  So even if you could end school shootings by ending schools, you won’t do anything to prevent shootings.  That’s why they aren’t red herrings, they highlight the holes in your suggestion. 
If a parent thinks they are capable to teach their own kids, they are free to do so.  Banning schools doesn’t change that fact one iota.  What if a parent thinks a school is more conducive to learning than his or her living room?  What if a parent has to work to keep food on the table and pay the mortgage?  If schools are banned, where will the children of those parents go for their education?
Gerrilea Added Feb 28, 2018 - 8:24am
Ari S-- False premise and false choices.  Public venues like schools were made into "safe zones", which MADE them soft targets.
Hegelian Dialectic yet again.  Problem-Reaction- Predetermined "Solution".
Why is it "our" responsibility to educate your children?  If a parent has to work instead of raising their own children, then they shouldn't have had children. Or, God forbid, have a spouse, partner or other family member do it while they work.  We used to have extended families living under one roof, like uncles or grandparents.  We've conditioned our fellow Americans into fearing and hating everyone.  We've been conditioned to throwing away our "useless" elder parents and grandparents, leaving them in nursing homes to rot and die already.
Remember the TV show, The Walton's??? That was typical American life for the majority. It was for my father's generation, anyways.  My father & mother paid for our Catholic education AND still had to pay property taxes for YOUR children, so they could be babysat.
I'll make a deal with you.  You provide me with paid 24-7 armed security for myself and my family, then we can talk "sensible gun control". 
Katharine Otto Added Feb 28, 2018 - 11:23am
One of the advantages of literacy is being able to read interesting threads like this.  I don't teach, have children or a gun, so school shootings will probably never affect me directly.  I also don't have a television, so don't even have to know the latest media scare if I don't want to.
That so many people are all wrapped up in what "we" should do about our current culture of violence only tells me we don't have enough useful to do.  Ommmmmmm.  Maybe "we" should relax a little and think about all the ways we contribute to the problems by getting so upset and reactionary.
Maybe people are addicted to fear and anger so will look for any excuse to feel them.  Maybe they are adrenaline junkies, and their lives feel dull and boring without a rousing jolt of terror in their humdrum lives, every now and then.
The habit of fear and anger becomes self-fulfilling and leads to events that generate more of it.  Our national habit is getting tiresome.  Maybe "we" should just grow up.
Gerrilea Added Feb 28, 2018 - 11:32am
Katharine O-- No, just no! I'll never grow up!  ROFL.
I believe children should know the basics, the 3 R's...reading writing a 'rithmetic... Their value as a sentient conscience being is wasted after that in a public school setting.
Oh, and agreed on the TV thingy, while I do have 3 of them, I haven't turned them on in years...sitting there, collecting dust.  I've procrastinated in taking them to the required recycling center.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Feb 28, 2018 - 4:56pm
I always wonder after school shootings how much I must pretend not to have pure ice in my veins.
As far as I can tell none of my children were killed.
This sounds terribly rough, but I don't see how a policy must be designed in the wake of a news grabbing crime.
Now, I write something that you will rarely see from me: A praise of Merkel.
When the Jihadi drove a truck into the Christmas market, it took over a year AND an open letter from the loved ones of the blood puddles, published in a major newspaper, until she even wrote one single card or met one single mother in grief. A heart of stone. Good on her.
I mean, immigration policy and gun policy can be decided on the basis of the arguments anytime between major crimes. Policy is policy. Either an argument stands when emotions are down or it doesn't at all.
Flying Junior Added Feb 28, 2018 - 9:56pm
I am comforted that this post was pure satire.  Believe me, it is very difficult to differentiate satire from political position.  It didn't used to be so difficult.  The republicans have set an extremely high bar.  The craziest thing that you might read on The Onion may or may not be someone's religiously held belief.  But satire is supposed to be funny.  And it should hint at the actual solution.
The solution is not better parenting.
Enough is enough.
Less guns.  Less ammunition.  Better gun control.
Careful policing of gun owners until we confiscate as many weapons as possible which are being traded on the unregulated market.
The NRA must be declared an illegal, criminal organization and forever banned.
Reign in straw gun purchases which result in high-powered weaponry which is sent to supply the drug cartels in Central and South America.
Just support the ultimate caricature of a decent human being in the person of Donald Trump and expect things to only get worse.
Vote democratic until this nightmare ends.
Bill H. Added Feb 28, 2018 - 10:43pm
So it is ban schools, then theaters, then churches, then public venues, then SSRI drugs, then video games, then violent movies and TV?
But don't mess with gun laws?
Sorry, but as a responsible gun owner, I think we need responsible gun laws.
At least this time, maybe we can get the age limit raised on rifles. Maybe next time (after more kids die) we can get some real background checking done.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Mar 1, 2018 - 1:08am
@Bill H:
”As a responsible gun owner, I think we need responsible gun laws.”
Yes, absolutely.  Unfortunately we now see the withdraw away from discussing the issue.  This will get swept under the rug until the next mass shooting.  We will see condolences and prayers and admonitions not to “politicize the issue” while the NRA scrambles to shore up the waverers.  So it will go, until the next mass shooting....
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Bill H. Added Mar 1, 2018 - 1:31am
Not only that, but we have a spokesperson for the NRA doing her best to start a new civil war.
Talk about politicizing another common sense issue! When fear and lies are applied by either political party rather than logical/meaningful discussion, nothing good will be accomplished, but rather the subject will become lost in the quagmire as are discussions about climate change, religion, and business ethics.
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 1:34am
Benjamin G--- Agreed, with one exception, Merkel is destroying her own nation.
Flying J--- Now I don't know if your reply is satire or not.  So I dare not reply until you clarify.
Bill H---  I never said ban theaters, churches or public venues, SSRI drugs, video games, violent movies and/or TV's.
While I'd love to see SSRI drugs banned, the each their own.
You keep saying you're a "Responsible Gun Owner". What agency,  temple or synagogue gave you said title?
Are you current or former LEO? I ask because I have family members that are and they say the same shit.  The reality is: "I got mine, screw the rest of you." Is their attitude. 
Your "argument from authority" doesn't cut it.
The Federal Government cannot, repeat cannot raise the age for gun purchases. They were never granted such authority. There is only one way they could weasel it through a constitutional challenge.  Raise the criteria for militia membership and military service at the same time. No one under the age of X can be a member of the militia or serve in the "armed" forces.
There is no such thing as "responsible/common sense gun laws".  What you perceive as "responsible" or what I do?  Arbitrary criteria for exercising an unalienable right converts it into a temporary "privilege" granted.  Can our respective States do so? Yes, up to a point.
We have enough gun "regulation" today.  Enough that would have prevented Cruz from getting a firearm.  The government, at all levels, didn't do their duty.  NOW you want to blame gun owners, the NRA and everyone else EXCEPT the ones that we granted the authority to.
I will never agree to this charade.  And I've never owned a firearm.
Fix the family first, fix the schools first, fix the criminals in the FBI first, fix the criminals at the local level first, fix the idiots at schools first.
When you're done doing that, come back and I'll give you another list of things to fix BEFORE you place arbitrary rules on exercising an unalienable right.
And the reason I'm so against this.  The 2nd Amendment protects all the rest.  Without it, we become servants/slaves to our created government.
NO thank you.
Flying Junior Added Mar 1, 2018 - 1:49am
Related news.  For those who propose to arm the teachers.
Flying Junior Added Mar 1, 2018 - 1:50am
No I'm not kidding.  It was a rare moment of clarity.
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 2:05am
Flying J--  We're gonna have to agree to disagree, sadly.
We have to fix the family and the best way is for parents to take responsibility for their own children, including education.  Let's all agree we teach everyone the basics, the 3 R's, reading, writing and 'rithmetic.  I find the Swedish system produces wonderfully rounded people.  No school until 7 yrs old and no later/longer than 16 yrs old and not more than 6 hrs a day.
All levels of government failed to follow the laws already passed.  Making more laws is insane.
See my reply to Bill H. above.  I explain it very well and my position on this topic.
Flying Junior Added Mar 1, 2018 - 2:28am
You are an interesting personality.
But, okay.  I can agree to disagree.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 1, 2018 - 2:58am
All levels of government failed to follow the laws already passed.  Making more laws is insane.
Well past time to ban law makers too. 
That's just me, I could be wrong.
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 8:51am
Jeffry G-- Ain't that the truth.  I'd go for term limits in a heartbeat.
Flying J--  As Benjamin G pointed out. reactionary public policies are dangerous.  Emotional arguments cannot be used to abrogate our rights.  Its lead us down a path of totalitarianism and tyranny.  The Patriot Act alone is the most dangerous piece of legislation passed by our government.
You have to know history to understand why I hold the position(s) I do.  If I could magically transfer all that I have learned to really would agree with me.
Propaganda, emotional manipulation, Hegelian Dialect of
problem - reaction - pre-determined solution have been used to enslave the masses throughout history.
I would give my very own life to stop a child from being killed, if I could BUT we cannot beg for or surrender our rights or all of us will become chattel going to the slaughterhouse.
Sadly, we are very close to that point now.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 1, 2018 - 9:58am
I'm not talking term limits. I'm talking getting rid of the bunch of 'em
Bill H. Added Mar 1, 2018 - 11:00am
Well, I think I will join the NSAMA.
They will protect my right to bear surface to air missiles for sure.
"You'll have to pry my missile from my cold dead hands!"
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 11:32am
Bill H-- Your factitious argument ignores the actual different between "arms" and "ordinance".  You can own a cannon if you so desire. You can own surface to air missile launchers.  Hell, you can own a tank if you want. The "ordinance" for said, you can't.
That said, you cannot equate "ammo" with "ordinance".  Ordinance is artillery, to clarify.
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 11:35am
Bill H-- You never answered my question: Are you current or former LEO?
Bill H. Added Mar 1, 2018 - 12:20pm
My only contact with LE was helping to train canines.
When I say I am a responsible gun owner, I am not as some that I see at local shooting sites with a gun in one hand and a brewski in the other hand, or worse yet, firing handloads that are way too hot, sometimes resulting in self-destructing weapons. There are many out there that have no clue on how to responsibly handle a weapon. I only go to well-supervised ranges where they have actually told people to leave the premises and never come back if they do something stupid.
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 12:59pm
Bill H-- Interesting. Are these gun ranges in the US or the UK or ???
Why did you decide to arm yourself? 
You do know the NRA is the reason we have "gun safety training classes" available in every State and they pushed for gun control and training from their inception?  They still do, depending on the legislation. My great liberal bastion of a State, New York, gave them the money to buy land for a 'gun range". 
I've always been a supporter of training and safety.  The shit that's pushed today is absurd like gun locks, gun safes where the ammo is kept somewhere else.  In many States you cannot reinforce your home's doors or windows and that's supposed to be good enough to keep me safe BUT not a gun? Its absolutely crazy.
I'm seriously okay if someone kills themselves, even by accident.  Give them a Darwin Award.  However, when they do stupid things and hurt/kill/maim others...cut their damn heads off.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Mar 1, 2018 - 1:05pm
I only go to well-supervised ranges where they have actually told people to leave the premises and never come back if they do something stupid.
Which usually means cops aren't allowed to shoot there. Good on ya.
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 1:20pm
Jeffry G-- Now that was hilarious and spot on.
Thanks for the chuckle.
Katharine Otto Added Mar 1, 2018 - 2:08pm
You can't legislate fixing the family, and we already have something like a 33-47% illiteracy rate among adults, so how are these parents going to educate their children?
Jeffry Gilbert,
I'm with you.  No federal government, no gun or drug laws, no wars, and no mandated education.  Problem solved.
Bill H. Added Mar 1, 2018 - 2:38pm
In the US.
I did not decide to "arm myself". I have been an avid target shooter since I was a kid. I first took a full NRA gun safety class in Boy Scouts. I believe everyone who wants to purchase a gun should be required to take a similar class.
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 7:00pm
Katharine Otto-- Oddly, our literacy rates have gone down ever since compulsory education was pushed,
In 1860, Northern Whites had a  96.9% literacy rate while Southern Whites had a 56.4%.

People did it before without "edumaction".
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 7:07pm
Bill H-  What makes you believe you are a "responsible gun owner" then?  Is it because you haven't gone ballistic and killed people with them?
Does "responsible" = "trained"???
Here in NYS it is required and sadly, I must admit...I agree.  I loved watching my father train people.  He was an certified NRA instructor.
Heck we can get hunting licenses when we're 12 yrs old.
Jeff Michka Added Mar 1, 2018 - 7:15pm
You'll have to pry my missile from my cold dead hands!"-LOL , Good one, Bill H.  "THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR SAMs ought to warm the hearts of WB's 2nd amendment heroes.  Yeah, you know how they claim all public schools are only in business to make gay communists, so yeah...checkpoints, scans...cavity searches for those SAMs being smuggled into public schools.  Once again, it could Never happen in a private sector charter school.  That's the private sector!!!
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 9:15pm
Jeff Michka--- ROFL...I've always thought we should arm bears. That would throw a wrench into the system.
As for this: "all public schools are only in business to make gay communists."   Maybe someday, when I get to know you, I'll let you in on a little secret I have, wink...wink.
On to this:  "THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR SAMs ought to warm the hearts of WB's 2nd amendment heroes."
I'm not a fan of a race that has no choice but to "arm" themselves against one another.  Aren't we the only species on this planet that kills each other on the levels we do???
I'm an historian and yes, college educated.  The constitution does not grant me a damn thing.  It creates and controls our government.
It's from that historical perspective and understanding that I argue for unalienable rights.  Even yours, if you are an American.
Society has no rights, government has no rights. We The People do.
If you want to ban all firearms, go for the gusto and attempt to repeal the 2nd A.  You might even succeed someday...but then keep in mind, once you do...our created government will have LESS authority over me arming myself, if and when I so chose.
You see, the 2nd A grants them limited authority to keep a regulated militia, nothing more or less.
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 9:18pm
Ugh..last line is not quite accurate...I reverse things all the time.
The 2nd A grants our created government limited authority to keep the militia "well regulated", nothing more.
I'd really love an edit button here.
George N Romey Added Mar 1, 2018 - 9:39pm
If we didn’t have the Cold War, the Vietnam War, the Korean War, the 2 gulf wars, the add on wars in the Middle East, the numerous skirmishes, the surveillance state and the military and dollar hegemony maybe we could have built the great society we all so crave.
Gerrilea Added Mar 1, 2018 - 11:14pm
George-- Agreed.   It's unknown if we will ever be able to stop these things without an all out civil war or world war.
Jim Hetzer Added Mar 4, 2018 - 9:45pm
There is an effort by Betty DeVoss to privatize all schools.  Ohio has had charter schools for many years and the result is mostly a disaster.  Charter schools are often as unable to teach children as parents are.  Teaching is not a hobby.  The first step towards getting the education system in order is to get the cooperation of everyone involved; teachers, parents, and students need to be working together.  
Gerrilea Added Mar 5, 2018 - 8:17am
Jim H--- Agreed.  That was one of my points in writing this article.  Parents gave up their authority to raise their own children to the state and now they blame everyone else for the disaster it created. 
The Charter School Scam it just that...take public monies for private doesn't matter if the product, ie our children's education, is actually being accomplished.
We see this same "model" repeated across the board, like the privatization of the water in Michigan.
Jim Hetzer Added Mar 5, 2018 - 8:41am
My daughter has my granddaughter in a daycare so she can make enough money with her husband to buy a house and lead a life.  To criticize parents from working instead of one staying home indicates a failure to understand the current economic reality.  Do you have any children that you are home schooling? 
Eric Reports Added Mar 6, 2018 - 3:17pm
Day-care, liberalism and the school system are the reasons why we have the MILLENNIALS of today.  71% of young people voted for Hillary Clinton. It sure as hell wasn't because HRC is "cool".  They were brainwashed by the MSM. 
Gerrilea Added Mar 7, 2018 - 12:00pm
Jim H--- So, we must subsidize your daughter's choices so that she can "lead a life"???  How about our government create/support the conditions by which we can do it ourselves?
Wasn't it your generation that failed to recognize the lies, manipulations and propaganda which led you to vote for a government that gave trillions to the elite 1% and tax incentives to strip our manufacturing out of this nation and send it to slaved-labored countries???
The current economic realities, you voted for it.
The question I'd ask: is she and her husband paying for daycare themselves or are they getting it paid for them?  If they are doing it themselves, fabulous.  It's their choice to spend their money as they desire.  It's when you force me to pay for it where I get squeamish.
I'm willing to spend public funds for teaching, reading, writing and 'rithmetic NOT for Pavlovian conditioning and manipulation that 'creates the worker of tomorrow".
Jeff Michka Added Mar 7, 2018 - 6:56pm
We can play a game, 'rilla.  here's the start, now delete away to preserve your rightist BS and creds.M.They were brainwashed by the MSM-Of course that was it, "Report!" Maybe they couldn't relate to the "Trump Tribe." You know. tacky, big hair, bull balls hanging from the gunrack, and didn't believe the tribal notion of how they're all millionaires like Trump, simply and for the moment just down on their luck. So no taxes for the wealthy, because they will be all wealthy tomorrow. And didn't buy into anger over "the Other," or fear of the browning of 'Murrica. WE'LL LEAVE THAT TO YOU.
Gerrilea Added Mar 8, 2018 - 12:57am
Jeff M-- "delete" what? Your trolling?  Nope, I'll  leave it for all to witness and read.  Besides, I have no clue what you are actually trying to say.  You attack those you don't agree with, attempt to label them in a derogatory manner and then never actually address the issue.
Have fun.
Gerrilea Added Mar 16, 2018 - 8:00pm
To anyone reading the postings here, today, 3-16-18, I deleted 3 postings made by the troll, Jeff Michka.  Despite my previous position above, he went beyond the pale.