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If you’re looking for the Rapture, considering a new candidate for anti-Christ every few years, and believe that the Jews of today are God’s chosen people and that the founding of modern “Israel” is a fulfillment of prophecy, you are my target audience. Anyone can listen, but I’m talking to you.


I could list dozens of prophecies that have been fulfilled, while you believe they await fulfillment. Or maybe you believe in the “double fulfillment” theory of prophetic interpretation. If so, I don’t have to explain it. If not, forget it.


Rather than go through umpteen arguments about umpteen interpretations of various Scriptures we disagree on, I would like to propose that you interpret a few passages for me that you believe don’t mean what they clearly say. Before we start that though, I want to discuss why any of this matters.


You know who C.I. Scofield is. Did you know that he had a room at Lotus House in NYC, as did Zionist pillar Samuel Untermeyer, for many years? (Untermeyer passes my spellchecker, Scofield doesn’t, which gives you an idea of their relative importance to some people.) He was president of Kerem Hayesod, the main Zionist organization in America. He’s the man who declared war on Germany in 1933 in the name of world Jewry. He was very wealthy too.


The marginal notes in the “Scofield Bible” contain commentary on only about 13% of the Bible. The main theme of these selected Scriptures is the “end times.” Scofield’s marginal notes assert that the Jews would return to Zion and rebuild Jerusalem in the biblical land of Israel before Jesus returns. It was Untermeyer’s strong conviction that this should happen as well, without the Jesus part. Scofield and Untermeyer had rooms in the Lotus House contemporaneously for years. Would you allow that maybe they discussed this stuff occasionally?


God utterly destroyed Jerusalem in AD 70, to the point that Josephus states in his Wars of the Jews that there was nothing left to suggest that there had ever been a city there. All that remains above ground today that existed in AD 70 is the western wall of the Roman Fort Antonia, the edifice which today is called the Wailing Wall.


You must allow that the facts above should be considered if one is looking for influences that informed Scofield’s understanding of how Scripture should be interpreted, aka the science of hermeneutics, because Scofield’s ideas were practically novel in the Christian Church until his association with Untermeyer. I say “practically novel” because these same ideas show up in John N. Darby’s commentary on the whole Bible, which predated Scofield by about a century and comprise the sole representation of these views in Christian eschatological writings to that point, at least so far as I have determined in thirty-five years of looking.

Darby’s views were predated by a book called The Hope of Israel, by Portuguese rabbi Menasseh Ben-Israel (d. 1657). It goes without saying, but what the hell, this nugget should figure in your understanding of Scofield’s views as well.


When I hear people say that their support of “Israel” is biblical, it sets my teeth on edge; not just because I disagree, but because it is Rabbi Menasseh Ben-Israel’s non-Christian’s view, who promulgated it before any Christian theologian that I’m aware of, that not only informs their hermeneutics and worldview but also, of course, their voting habits.


With all that under our belts, here are the few Scriptures I want your opinion on, which really means, here are the Scriptures I want to see you explain away. This will be brief.


Rev. 1:1-3, “The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place… blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.”


What time frame does this passage clearly indicate regarding the fulfillment of the many prophecies that follow? There’s more of the same in Rev. 22. So are the end times in our future, or did that term have to do solely with the closing of the Age of Israel in redemptive history?


Now see these two passages, Mt. 23:36 & 24:34. “Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation… Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.” What therefore is the time frame of the end times prophecies bracketed by these two verses? You can explain it away all you want, but it’s really pretty obvious. I would like to see what you have to say though, and please, if anyone responds, just deal with the passages I’ve quoted. Maybe toss in comments on Acts 2:16-21 if you wish. Thanks!


opher goodwin Added Mar 5, 2018 - 8:44am
Good heavens! Only in America!
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 5, 2018 - 8:12pm
"When I hear people say that their support of “Israel” is biblical, it sets my teeth on edge."
Thank you for echoing my sentiments.  Interesting article, I enjoyed it.
ChristianRepublic Added Mar 5, 2018 - 8:12pm
You're welcome, please check back.
Phil Greenough Added Mar 6, 2018 - 6:21am
Jews, like anyone of faith, think God is on their side.  Or are you suggesting Muslims and Christians believe God stands with the Jews?  So it makes perfect sense for a Jew to think they’re chose by God and they’re not arrogant or conceded in the least for thinking that.  If you still deem them to be, then everyone is as arrogant and conceded as Jews.  Furthermore, can you blame Jews for wishing for the holiest place on Earth to be of their control?
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2018 - 10:50am
The problem, Phil, is that Jews don't occupy the  holy land.  Kahzars who call themselves Jews occupy Jerusalem, and this is exactly what God warned us of.  Do you think Netanyahu is Semitic?  Nope, he's a descendant of Kahzar tribes of Southern Russia like Spielberg, Polanski, Weinstein, Greenspan, Schumer, Rothschild, Herzl and Untermeyer.  These are not descendants of Abraham, these are Kahzars that Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims, not to mention most of the rest of the world are sick and tired of being run by.  These so-called Jews are who the Nazis opposed.  These so-called Jews are the Bolsheviks, the Zionists, and the tyrannical terrorist of the Middle East.  When Americans come to terms with these facts, we can begin to have a real discussion. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 6, 2018 - 10:59am
'Khazar' seems to be accurate spelling.
Doug Plumb Added Mar 6, 2018 - 1:51pm
Welcome to WB ChristianNation. I think the Revelation took place 500 years ago when reason rather than empiricism became the political order of the day. Wise old preachers say this, the kind from the 50's who actually understand the Bible. I think the best sermons come from a guy called Cummerford or something like that and he is on youtube - tapoes from the 50's. I looked, can't find his stuff on my HD.
This modern Bavarian Conspiracy is something else, but it can be made to fit into Revelations and keep Christians quiet and waiting for Christ and the rapture.
"When I hear people say that their support of “Israel” is biblical, it sets my teeth on edge."
Thank you for echoing my sentiments.  Interesting article, I enjoyed it.
Doug Plumb Added Mar 6, 2018 - 1:52pm
I mean around the year 500 AD.
Doug Plumb Added Mar 6, 2018 - 1:53pm
re "Jews, like anyone of faith, think God is on their side. "
You should grab a copy of the Talmud and have a look through it Phil. Lucifer is on their side.
Morgoth Added Mar 6, 2018 - 6:26pm
I thought the Romans destroyed ancient Israel, not God.  Did I miss something?
ChristianRepublic Added Mar 6, 2018 - 6:58pm
Doug, the "Tribulation" was the siege and sack of Jerusalem in AD 70.
Jeff, the ascended Christ brought the Roman army against Jerusalem as He prophesied in Mt. 24, Mark 13, & Luke 21.
ChristianRepublic Added Mar 6, 2018 - 7:14pm
Phil, why the rant? Seems a little anti-something.
ChristianRepublic Added Mar 6, 2018 - 7:17pm
Doug, no it was pretty much fulfilled in AD 70. There are things prophesied in Revelation that are future to us but they are all the very last things, they have nothing to do with modern "Israel" or some "anti-Christ" and so on.
Don Added Mar 6, 2018 - 8:13pm
Deut 32:8-9 Yahweh informs us He kept that little piece of land for Himself and his people Jacob.  The rest of the planet He divided under His 70 Sons. (Some bad translations say 70 sons of Israel but Israel did not exist at the time.)
ChristianRepublic Added Mar 7, 2018 - 11:13am
Don, Jacob's name was changed to Israel in Gen. 32, and starting in Gen. 36:31 the name "Children of Israel" is applied to the nation. Also, the 70 nations you mention is more likely based on Gen. 10. That number doesn't appear in Dt. 32.