Opioid Hypocrites

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The US political left is the biggest hypocritical empathy whore on the planet.  I'll get to this point later.  In the meantime, this opioid "crisis" is not new to the human race.  Yes, there are social changes needed to combat drug-abuse but not like you think.  


Particularly the 17th & 18th century Native American population which had 5 times alcohol-related mortality rates as European Americans . . . coincided with native Americans first being introduced to distilled spirits (highly concentrated drinks).  Prior to this time, native Americans had their own alcoholic drinks but were not in high concentrations of alcohol.  Native Americans had not invented a distillation process yet . . . much less the wheel.
The reasons why native Americans were more susceptible to these distilled drinks was due to a number of factors that are quite similar to what we see today in the opioid epidemic:
1)  Some DNA profiles are more susceptible to certain additive chemicals.  It takes time to for a population to acquire resistance to addictive chemicals just as the Europeans did with distilled spirits before invading North America.
2)  Cultural resistance to drugs and alcohol requires time and experience.  The native Americans had almost zero cultural resistance to distilled spirits.  We see this today in our own culture as new, cheap, addictive drugs are being introduced every decade and we have no effective means (apart from home-schooling) to prevent kids from being exposed or providing them moral fencing.
Hell, even doctors are way behind the curve.  Only in recent time have doctors scaled back pain-prescriptions to kids because of the dangers.  Only recently!
Fighting the drug war with empathy is a loser's game.  If you want to get ahead of the fight against the problem, you need to look at three institutions in American society that promote flagrant drug use.  Changes to our DNA are further down the road . . . eventually.

1) Arts and entertainment industry
2) Medical industry
3) K12 government institutions
These are liberal/progressive controlled industries that need to be turned upside down.  They are drug infested shit-holes promoting drug use to the most vulnerable.  These are the cultural changes that are needed to create a resistance to drug abuse.   Adding more laws is just stupid.
The question is:  how much do you really care about fixing this problem?  Most Americans really don't give a shit if it means giving up their pop-culture, quick pain prescriptions, and government day-care.


You have been conditioned on one hand to shed salty and meaningless tears for those who have succumbed to drug abuse, and on the other hand, the vile and despicable cult-left would raise up the very institutions which promote drug abuse.  Fuck you hypocrites.


Flying Junior Added Mar 10, 2018 - 8:50pm
I think that you and I may be able to agree that the touch of the European can be quite dangerous.  We took wine and figured out how to make brandy and rum.  We took the tobacco from the Native Americans and invented cigarets.  We took morphine and invented Heroin, Dilaudid, Oxycontin and Fentanyl.  We took the Coca leaf and invented cocaine.  Actually cocaine was quite useful in localized pain numbing.  I think it may still be used in certain eye surgeries.  I'm not sure.
That would be the extent of our agreement on this issue.  I don't know if you read my initial lucid comment on Pardero's thread.  But if you did, I hope you would agree that it was not hypocritical.  This seems to me like something that most people should be able to analyze in a non-political way.  Maybe something that both parties of the congress could work on together, like a Kumbayah thing.  But I'm sure that Jared Kushner and Kellyann Conway have made amazing strides on this difficult and thorny issue.
You always bring a fresh perspective.
Bill H. Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:27am
So now we politicize the opioid drug issue. So much for getting any positive action done.
Any issue that becomes politicized these days will never attain any logical discussion or solution, they will simply become more fuel for hate and division, as your opening sentence so clearly shows.
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:43am
William - no one has all the answers and politics will always enter as an inhibitor of consensus. The bottom line is that there are few choices. We can do what we've been doing with the same result, we can try something else and see if that improves, or we can do nothing and let this fire burn out on its own. Fire needs fuel and air. Cut off the air?
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:44am
Prohibitions, as you correctly point out, have been tried and with a less than stellar record
Jeff Jackson Added Mar 11, 2018 - 1:55am
William, it seems that we have been searching for the perfect buzz for some time now. Excellent point about the native Americans and alcohol, which has been, sadly, an ongoing problem for them. It seems that locking people up for drug use doesn't make any sense, but we keep doing it.
Flying Junior Added Mar 11, 2018 - 3:01am
Perfect buzz?  What's wrong with a mug of coffee, three bong hits and two codeines?  Head for the library and start learning!
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 3:24am
Chase that dragon FJ!  I'd stay away from the codeine, but thats my choice
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 5:41am
Not speaking directly to the issue in question, I would like to share an observation. There is a hint that perhaps there really is something fundamentally insane at work in the very core of our fiber as a society. Watch late night television and one is beset with a deluge of pharmaceutical companies soliciting business via commercials. " Ask your doctor about ______ ", insert applicable drug name here. Then, within the came block of commercials, there is another. This one is from a law firm soliciting business. " Were you or one of your loved ones injured or killed from taking ______",insert applicable drug name here.
Kafka is seething with envy
wsucram15 Added Mar 11, 2018 - 7:31am
William..interesting article.  I knew that Native Americans had some issues with alcohol, but so does over 23% of America according to surgeon general (but I am sure that number includes the Native Americans).  Alcohol related deaths are very high and I lost a good friend in 2011 to a drunk driver.
Addiction in general is a predisposition due to genetics, but not entirely..there is a coping factor at play which for the N.A. is quite understandable.  On heroin and like substances, not so much.  Yeah Im sure the addiction background plays into it, but thats more of a generalization.
Heroin and chems like it are different in the fact of the addictive quality to the body after very little time.  I believe over time it also has the most impact on your body, especially the bones.
It would be neat to have one cause, narrow that down and focus on that, but that is not the case.  Giving out pills like candy is a HUGE issue and one that has made this issue as big as it is...but its not the entire issue.  But its a good place to start from making it worse. For example, I broke my wrist and was given Oxycodone (which is generic Oxycontin), good ones too (sell for around 80 a pill, maybe more now..dont know).  I took two and then took Aleve. With my knee surgery it was percocet which I flushed. In 2014 with shoulder and elbow the same, (by far most painful). Short term and less abusive prescriptions are helpful.
Coming from and around the music industry, I have found that heroin is less prevalent than other mind altering drugs along with weed and alcohol. But it definitely had its time.   I find regular people pop those pills and shoot heroin as often as those famous ones and have just as easy as access if they are addicted.  Addiction is after all, a very manipulative disease.
As far as schools, Cannot speak to that, my son was a hardcore strait edged kid.  I questioned him a couple of times and had him tested, he was clean.  So we thank God, didnt have an issue with him.  My daughter not until she was older and went through a mind altering drug phase.  But I have had people I know that have lost children to opioids or heroin like substances. 
Any article on opioid addiction is a good one as it address a perspective, although politics has no place in this argument.
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 8:47am
Jeanne - You and I don't often agree, but we each have a wealth of personal experience related to this scourge. Thank you for bringing another reasonable voice into this conversation
Pardero Added Mar 11, 2018 - 9:15am
William Stockton,
You are a capable writer and have provided some valuable information.
I do not see any advantage in the extreme polarization of pitting righteous moral warriors vs amoral degenerates on the other side. There is a famous group that dies the same thing, the Taliban.
I am the most unlikely of 'opioid hypocrites' since I am a paleoconservative with some slight libertarian tendencies. I have not watched television for nearly a decade and boycott all pro sports. Not much of a consumer but boycott all products that are promoted by celebrities.
I advocate for school choice and the tax revenues follow the child.
We can agree on the medical industry but you offer no solutions, only passing judgement.
In your haste to categorize people, you have swept me up with 'tear shedding leftists.' Comical, really.
Oddly, the comments from both sides of the political spectrum tend to show a consensus that is impossible in your black and white world. 
You can bellow with your righteous indignation and moral superiority and quote statistics and facts but you really have nothing to offer except to let them die off.
Your outlook is precisely the reason that I wrote my little piece.
You offer some causes, that I don't disagree with, omit many others, and pass judgement without any single suggestion to deal with the current acute crisis.
I will stipulate that you are a bad-ass macho man who has properly hardened his heart to the plight of the wretches that receive your righteous judgement
Pardero Added Mar 11, 2018 - 9:23am
No doubt you have proven that you are an Alpha male and only Beta cuckolds could possibly have any empathy. Nonetheless, you will wind up paying for this catastrophe, and probably at a higher tax rate than I will.
Cliff M. Added Mar 11, 2018 - 9:45am
William , You conveniently ignore the largest reasons for the problem. Corporate greed and corrupt government.Our legal drug dealers exploit the situation extremely well.
George N Romey Added Mar 11, 2018 - 10:32am
It’s an economic problem. The inability to support oneself leads to all kinds of bad behavior.  Of course Big Pharma through Medicaid is only habit to sedate these poor souls and let the taxpayer pick up the tab. Since we keep lying about the real economy and with Big Pharma drooling over the prospect of more addictions this problem will only explode.
wsucram15 Added Mar 11, 2018 - 10:46am
TBH..thanks this is a tough topic for people to grasp, it is emotional and driven by the media who are also rarely on the ground in this mess. 
Pardero..nice one, but William used to be more reasonable. Im not sure why he is so hateful and unwilling to listen now. But this will affect him later which makes me feel for him, money isnt everything.
Nobody's Sweetheart Added Mar 11, 2018 - 10:49am
"I knew that Native Americans had some issues with alcohol"

That has to be one of the most egregious understatements so far this year, lol. I take it that you have never been on an Indian Reservation. Fire water has been more murderous to Native Americans than guns and germs combined. They simply can NOT drink alcohol without being very badly affected. For example, I knew two natives from Oklahoma when I was in Army basic training. The first pass we got, they both got drunk and went on a psychotic rampage which culminated with them beating up an MP and then trying to tip over a pool table on him when he was down. Yes, a pool table.
Pardero Added Mar 11, 2018 - 10:55am
Thank you. That means a lot to me.
He is highly intelligent and in theory we should be ideological allies. It wasn't easy for me to move away from a hardened ideological position and it won't be for him, either.
Cliff M. Added Mar 11, 2018 - 11:13am
Last year over 200,000 doctors that prescribed opioids received payments from the drug manufacturer's. The more they prescribed the more they received.
George N Romey Added Mar 11, 2018 - 11:17am
This is the future. Basic Income for the unemployed masses. Opiates to keep them sedated and to kill most of them off. All of this is by Deep State design.
Pardero Added Mar 11, 2018 - 11:32am
Thank you for that shocking figure and observation.
Pardero Added Mar 11, 2018 - 11:35am
It is a worrisome trend. We seem to moved from Marx's "Religion is the opiate of the masses" to 'opium is the opiate of the masses.'
Dave Volek Added Mar 11, 2018 - 11:47am
We have all sorts of addictions to give our nervous system a little positive jolt of pleasure. Some are more dangerous than others. And because we are all wired a little differently (in both the nature and nurture sense), some of us are more easily addicted than others.
The opioid addiction just maybe the part of the iceberg that is showing above the waterline.
Excellent twist on Marx's famous quote!
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:15pm
FJ,  This seems to me like something that most people should be able to analyze in a non-political way.
Nope.  Forget that.  Everything has been politicized.  This, thanks to a political party, the cult-left, that wishes to dominate all aspects of American society.
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:31pm
Bill H, So now we politicize the opioid drug issue. So much for getting any positive action done.
Wake up, Bill.  Everything has been politicized and for a reason.  Politics in America has become the biggest game in town and America is at an ontological crossroad.  Any solution to any problem in the USA requires a political force. 
I see massive corruption of our moral integrity (and I'm not religious) in society due to "progressive" politics.  
Perhaps your "positive action" would be more empathetic moaning from the sidelines?
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:33pm
Burghal,  There is a hint that perhaps there really is something fundamentally insane at work in the very core of our fiber as a society. 
Great observation.  I totally agree.  Keywords:  "fundamentally insane"
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:38pm
Jeff Jackson,   it seems that we have been searching for the perfect buzz for some time now
Yes.  Until Americans really become morally outraged at drug abuse (oh and it is always the streetcorner addict <sarcasm>) will this cultural problem change.
George N Romey Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:41pm
I’d say both parties have not only exploited this situation they’ve caused it by claiming we have a strong economy. First Obama, now Trump. No one in the MSM talks about the real indicator of the job market, the Worker Participation Rate. It’s still at historic lows. And an even bigger problem, underemployment.
Starting in the 90s the government began to give out misleading stats on unemployment. This practice has continued under both parties, including this supposedly independent minded Trump that had no problem pointing out the fallacies during his campaign.
Typical they get to DC and politicians lose all sense of honesty. But have no fear the .01% and criminal bankers will always be taken care by both parties. Bush, Clinton, Obama, Trump-all pretty much the same.
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:44pm
Any article on opioid addiction is a good one as it address a perspective, although politics has no place in this argument.
Ok.  Sure wsu.  As per usual . . .  ??? 
As your business is politics, I only shake my head in amusement at your choice of what should be political and what shouldn't.  
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:50pm
Pardero,  You are a capable writer and have provided some valuable information.
Well, thanks.  Here is some additional valuable information for you . . . fewer words and more meaning. 
Oddly, the comments from both sides of the political spectrum tend to show a consensus that is impossible in your black and white world.
Consensus?  wtf planet are you living on right now?
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:54pm
Cliff,  You conveniently ignore the largest reasons for the problem. Corporate greed and corrupt government.
Convenient?  Like . . . isn't it clear that the medical industry & public education are GOVERNMENT controlled institutions?  
wtf Cliff?  I'd say you conveniently missed the point of this article.
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:55pm
George,  All of this is by Deep State design.
How can it be "deep state" when the corruption now is completely obvious, above board, and staring us in face?
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:56pm
Dave,  The opioid addiction just maybe the part of the iceberg that is showing above the waterline.
I agree.
George N Romey Added Mar 11, 2018 - 12:57pm
No I’d say it’s the other way around. Government is a wholly owned subsidiary of Corporate America and its sister company Wall Street. 
Are you seriously suggesting politicians order around the medical establishment?
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 1:09pm
George, I think you have mistakenly assumed there is a tier of power between the gov and these institutions.
Phrases of the day: 
Strange bedfellows
Symbiotic Relationships
In the end, it is just people running & leading these institutions.  People who have zero moral integrity and corrupted by decades of an anti-moral culture.
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 1:31pm
William you and I are generally sympatico on most topics. I would offer this, because I respect Pard and some others involved in this thread.
The issue has undoubtedly been politicized and you are correct that the guilty parties on that score come from the list of usual suspects. You are absolutely correct in saying that the best ( not 100% foolproof, only the best) long term solution is in education and changing attitudes. I think that everyone on this thread can agree that this would be a prudent step. 
I would further the thought by suggesting that part of that attitude change be informed by an understanding that there is a distinction to be made between drug use and drug abuse.  We render no judgments for those who use, not abuse, alcohol. Are adults not free to make these choices for themselves? We shouldn't even need to have this discussion
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 1:41pm
If one would ban guns in order to prevent gun violence they would fail. And why? Because guns don't kill people. People misusing or abusing guns are what kills people.
If one would ban a substance to prevent people from harming themselves or others they would fail (in fact have; see prohibition era)
And why? Because the substance does not harm people. People who abuse the substance harm either themselves, or those around them. That harm may, and often does, go so far as death.
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 1:42pm
And before the Stapos jump in here, yeah I know about protecting the public. Any harm these people do to the public are already covered under statutes established for the specific crimes they may commit.
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 1:43pm
What were doing is not working. We need to think about this differently
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 11, 2018 - 1:48pm
"If one would ban guns in order to prevent gun violence they would fail. And why? Because guns don't kill people. People misusing or abusing guns are what kills people."
TBH, very true.  That logic would lead to the prohibition of automobiles because sometimes people die in car crashes.  Or commercial air because sometimes plains crash, even into tall buildings as history shows, so in that case maybe tall buildings would also be banned...
It would never end.  "Tonight on Anderson Cooper we'll roll up are sleeves and dig into the accusation that someone in Wyoming slipped on a banana peel.  If so, should bananas be banned, or peels be reengineered?  Stay tuned."
Tom C. Purcell Added Mar 11, 2018 - 1:48pm
'our' not "are".
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 2:08pm
Burghal,   . . . understanding that there is a distinction to be made between drug use and drug abuse.
Well, I think you are now splitting the hair when this article is about moving the needle toward more drug aversion. 
Since we have these pro-drug institutions, dominated by a political ideology, anyone who has any true sense of empathy (bridled with logic) would come to some rational conclusions.  Unfortunately, we have pathological empaths (like Pardero) who will stand up and weep for drug abusers yet offer no solutions.
I think it is really simple.  Look at who is promoting (facilitating) drug use and that is where you begin to change the cultural messaging.
As far as your original point of drug "abuse vs drug "use", I would go as far to say that any recreational drug "use" is "abuse".  I'm not sure how you can say there is a difference between drug "abuse" and drug "use" when you yourself cannot distinguish the difference.  You can probably define this for yourself, but you certainly cannot establish a delineation or a clearly defined "use" policy for society. 
Until you (or I) could have this delineation for society, between what is morally ok for recreation, and what is morally defined as "abuse", the only place to publically stand on this issue is against all forms of recreational use.  I say, publically, because in private, I don't give a shit what people do to themselves.  Really.  This is the privilege and right for people to do to themselves, whatever they want.
Yet, we have pathological empaths here that would straddle this issue, all weepy, unmoved, unless some "logical" argument is placed at feet.  Yet are conveniently being fucked (in straddled position) by a very potent political party that has dominated three major institutions in American society.
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 2:21pm
Alcohol is a drug. Do you condemn those who consume alcohol? If you do thats fine, its your prerogative. You are correct that we can not define the "line".
We can disagree. 
Bill H. Added Mar 11, 2018 - 2:36pm
We need to look first at the Pharmaceutical industry, and their incentive programs for both Doctors and medical care facilities.
When I had hernia surgery back in late 1990, I went home with 50 opioid pain killer pills. I ended up only taking two, and was able to use Tylenol for the next 2 days when the pain subsided.
I wonder how many "vacation points" or golf game points the Doctor tallied up for that, not to mention the excessive markup in price that the hospital  charged for the medication.
Guess who will refuse to deal with this issue, as it would affect the pharmaceutical companies profit margins?
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 2:38pm
Burghal,  Do you condemn those who consume alcohol?
Absolutely not. 
Again.  If I stand up, publically, and start acting all weepy for alcoholics and "victims" of alcohol, I had better also be saying that all forms of alcohol use are "abuse".  Right?  Otherwise, I am being a gawdam hypocrite.
However, I'm not the one weeping for drug abusers.  The vast majority of these "recreational" users bought their farms.  There are very few "victims" of their own actions.
I am calling out these public, pathological empaths who offer no solutions but will virtue signal, publically, and still happily go right along as if nothing profound needs to change.  I am clearly defining the focus for change in this article.  I hope that is clear.  There are institutions in America that have the wrong moral messages . . . if we truly want to change our drug culture.
George N Romey Added Mar 11, 2018 - 2:38pm
I’m sure the crowd at Davos is gleefully talking about Pharma soaring sales and margins. No one in government dare break up this party.
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 2:48pm
I'm not advocating victimhood status for anyone, William. Perhaps others are and neither of should expect that to change. I am not about sending moral messages (isn't that just another form of virtue signalling?)
To be clear I advocate for individual choice. That does not automatically equate to a posture that assumes that the individual is not responsible for the consequences. People that are out of control will always find some means of exercising that
mark henry smith Added Mar 11, 2018 - 2:49pm
Great post Stockton,
I am for legalization of all drugs because criminality is a byproduct of prohibiting the legal consumption of desired products.
But, I would say that it should be required that children, at least, get taught the truth of what drugs can and cannot do in their lives. No one ever told me what pot couldn't do. On my first hit I realized what it could do. It took me more that forty years to come to an understanding of its limitations. And why I would be a happier, healthier, more successful person if I enforced some personal control.
You are right. The liberal society promotes an anything goes attitude of all are equal and worthy of our time. Like Satanism and Christianity. Like Creationism and evolution. Wait, that's not right.
One of the problems is that we teach helplessness in connection with addiction. The message is, you're helpless against this, and studies show that people who believe that have a much greater chance of becoming and staying addicted than people who are taught that it is in their power to stop. It is a liberal concept that no one should suffer that makes me cringe. When I think about addiction, I think about Popeye Doyle in The French Connection. After they addicted him, he said, fuck that, and just took the punishment of going cold turkey. People need to see that. The fact that you can take control of your own life, but that it's work and pain, vomit and sweat is a vital message. And that message of self-responsibility and self-direction needs to be a fundamental message of our educational system. All of the kids who I met who smoked pot, because I smoked with them, I told them, if you ever hope to do anything serious and well in your life, you'll have to stop. And they said, but look at you, you're happy. And I said, "Yeah, but that's all I am and I desire to be more."       
Cliff M. Added Mar 11, 2018 - 4:19pm
William, The opioid crises is American Capitalism functioning at 100%. Take a bad situation and have corpoorat America exploit it at it's best with the only intention of profit with no consideration of the cost's to the ordinary American.Create a so called legal alternative to heroin and wind up with the illegal market stronger than ever. This mess is bigger than politics.Government is morally corrupt no matter who manages to maintain power.
 The left right blame issue should be besides the point. There is plenty of blame for everyone to go around on this one.
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 11, 2018 - 4:26pm
George N Romey Added Mar 11, 2018 - 4:41pm
Cliff a personal without a decent job that always had supported themselves feels enormous stress. That manifests itself physically. The person goes to a doctor that can’t do anything about the underlying problem so writes a script for which the doctor gets rewarded.
The high from the drugs artificially blocks the stress. The patient gets hooked because the stress is blocked. Then more bad things happen like homelessness.
And we’re surprised we have an opiated epidemic?
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 5:12pm
Cliff,   The left-right blame issue should be beside the point. There is plenty of blame for everyone to go around on this one.
Well, if everyone is to blame, then nobody is.  And we are right back at nothing. 
I don't believe for a second that everyone is to blame.  To test my position, please come up with one (three would be better) institution, dominated by conservatives, which are promoting/facilitating drug use . . . go!  
Stone-Eater Added Mar 11, 2018 - 5:14pm
Any kind of drug is just a means to get people off thinking. Give them drugs and hook them, control them and make big buck at the same time. Alcohol being the classic.
The Taliban cut off the drug trade from Afghanistan. That's why they were fought. Less drugs for the West. A clean and instructed population is the enemy of the ruling class.
Keep the sheep working their ass off and give them entertainment and drugs. No problem ruling such a society.
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 5:18pm
mark henry smith . . . your post, in my opinion, was the best I have read from you.  I wholly, and emphatically agree.  Thank you for the comment.
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 5:55pm
Burghal,  I am not about sending moral messages 
I agree.  I'm not advocating a government (or otherwise) start a propaganda campaign against drugs (circa 1980).
What I am saying, I hope clearly, is that there are institutions that are advocating, with propaganda, an anti-moral position.  This is the evil in our society today.  The evil which I commonly refer to as "cult-left".
This same evil that promotes/facilitates drug use.  These industries need to come to a reconciliation with the very "victims" of whom they have helped create.
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 5:58pm
Stone,  Any kind of drug is just a means to get people off thinking.
Interesting parallel:  
When Europeans began making a large quantity of distilled spirits and wine available to American Indians, the tribes had very little time to adapt and develop social, legal, or moral guidelines to regulate alcohol use.[9] Early traders built a large demand for alcohol by using it as a means to trade, using it in exchange for highly sought after animal skins and other materials and resources. Traders also discovered that giving free alcohol to the Native Americans during trading sessions made the likelihood of trading much higher.[10]
Cliff M. Added Mar 11, 2018 - 6:40pm
William, Besides cutting funding for treatment and the failed war on drugs what is conservatism doing to address the crises?With the republican administration surrounded by pro big pharma what are they doing? Doing nothing and blaming the other guy does not help solve the problem.
Spartacus Added Mar 11, 2018 - 6:40pm
Pardero,  I am sure I am unfairly labeling you a pathological empath.
You are just a convenient representation of a greater problem (another created by the cult left) . . . yet I may be misrepresenting you specifically.
wsucram15 Added Mar 11, 2018 - 7:45pm
Touche William..except for one thing, I am a humanitarian first and believe in people before politics.
Pardero Added Mar 11, 2018 - 10:06pm
William Stockton,
I understand. No worries.
I am glad that you are not in the other camp. You would be a formidible adversary.
Flying Junior Added Mar 12, 2018 - 2:19am
Hold on just a minute.  You believe that the feds have cut funding to the failed war on drugs?  Are you sure?  No more DEA raids on doctors?  No more paramilitary operations and military aircraft in Peru, Colombia and Bolivia?  No DEA in Mexico?  No raids on houses of suspected drug dealers by SWAT and DEA?  No more federal raids on marijuana farms and dispensaries?  I guess Jeff Sessions is following Obama era marijuana policies.
That's really great news if it's true.  No one told me.
Dino Manalis Added Mar 12, 2018 - 9:41am
Opioids are addictive drugs for pain relief, it has nothing to do with genes, patients; doctors; and pharmacists need to be very careful!
Darkman 17 Added Mar 12, 2018 - 10:26am
I think in principle I hope we would all agree that:
- Legal Drugs and Stimulants (codeine, alcohol, cigarettes, sugar, etc...) are bad, but Illegal ones are worse (heroin, moonshine, etc...)
- Overwhelmingly, parents care more about their own kids than government workers do
- Social issues cannot be fixed with laws, at best they can mask problems or shift them into another arena
Drug addiction is a social issue that we as friends, family, neighbors have to solve with the individuals that struggle from it. The government can only help in macro by:
- Regulating the production of legal drugs 
- Not forcing these issues underground where they tend to be tangled up with crime and become harder to solve. 
Katharine Otto Added Mar 12, 2018 - 12:35pm
You are playing fast and loose with the facts, which undermines your argument.  First, I believe many of the Native Americans lack an enzyme that metabolizes alcohol so become drunk very quickly.  Edgar Allen Poe also supposedly lacked this enzyme.  But the "cripple to control" strategy is used by lots of groups.  The most obvious conservative group that promotes drugs would be Wall Street, as evidenced by the Wall Street Journal, which just loves the profitability of the pharmaceutical companies.
Second, you generalize about the natives, suggesting all tribes were similar, but they each had their own cultures, much of which the invaders squashed before learning much about them.   Certain drugs, like peote and hallucinogenic mushrooms, were used in ritual ceremonies. 
Certainly drugs are political issues, as long as there are laws seeking to control their use or distribution.  And, of course, the whiskey tax (along with tariffs) is what kept the federal government afloat until the income tax was passed in 1913. 
The political nature of drugs (and government profit from them) applies equally to patents, prescriptions, and all controlled substances.  I agree that the schools are complicit, since so many schools require amphetamines like Ritalin for ADHD-diagnosed kids.  It's shocking to see how many psychiatric drugs are required for kids to be allowed in the classrooms.
The problem of addiction is so pervasive as to be impossible to characterize, by anyone.  What is addiction, anyway, and is one "drug of choice" any better or worse than another?  What gives the government the moral authority to decide? 
Maybe our addiction to laws and external controls is the biggest problem of all. 
Stone-Eater Added Mar 12, 2018 - 12:51pm
Traders also discovered that giving free alcohol to the Native Americans during trading sessions made the likelihood of trading much higher.
That kind of confirms it. I mean, how many of us have already made dumb decisions when we were on something that we regretted later.....
Stone-Eater Added Mar 12, 2018 - 12:56pm
Maybe our addiction to laws and external controls is the biggest problem of all. 
That's not addictions. That's something that comes with our upbringing. Remember when our parents were taught that the doctor and the priest are always right and the mayor anyway ? It's about not having the possibility or idea to question "authorities" ?
Only recently people have started to understand that all people shit into the same hole....
mark henry smith Added Mar 12, 2018 - 12:58pm
Oh hooray for you Katherine Otto.
The drugs are never the problem, how they're used is. All drugs can be used as methods of control over groups whom you wish to dominate. Dealers know this, traders know this, politicians, and drug companies know this. Loosen them up and getting what you want becomes much easier.
The illegality of drugs is a method of control. I asked a local politician why Sessions was so anti-pot, and he said because Sessions is in the pocket of the private prison industry which needs criminals to fill their cells.
My sister called me an addict and told people I was addict when I smoked pot, and I did some crazy things to get high, but when it wasn't there for years at a time, I just let it go. Pot was never the issue, my priorities and anger issues were, and her and the family were complicit in warping them, so of course she wanted to blame the pot and publicly disgrace me for it. "Oh, he's just a pothead." And that makes me think of all of these kids taking all of these psychoactive drugs who think this altered state is "normal." Like a friend I have who can't go off beta-blockers that he's been taking forever, because he gets so anxious. They were initially given to him for a diagnosis of anxiety issues and now his brain is wired to them.
Let's execute all of the pharmaceutical salespeople and doctors who have sold this sickness. What ever happened to the motto, "Do no harm." It's been replaced with, "Anything for a buck."      
Stone-Eater Added Mar 12, 2018 - 1:02pm
BTW: What IS an addiction ? Something you can't control anymore. Some people are addicted to work, some are addicted to cleaning, some are addicted to TV. MANY are addicted to dullphones, although exactly THESE could advise you on how to get OFF an addiction LOL
Bill Kamps Added Mar 12, 2018 - 1:44pm
opiods are made worse by doctors and patients who simply want to take a pill, to reduce pain.  In many cases there are alternative ways to treat pain, but it takes more effort to figure out what will be effective in any particular case.  Taking a pill is easy.  Easy  for the doctor, easy for the patient, at least in the short run.
Additionally, drug companies have promoted some opiods as being "resistant" to addiction, which is nonsense.  The doctors then did not sufficiently warn patients, and patients naively trusting doctors, gobbled up the pills like candy. 
As one example.  The NFL allows players to take opiods for pain, but does not allow them to smoke pot to address their pain.  While pot may be somewhat addictive, it is far less dangerous than opiods, and in some cases more effective. 
George N Romey Added Mar 12, 2018 - 2:50pm
The addictions are coming from financial pain. Young people that see no future and older men involuntary separated from the workforce. Stress manifests itself into physical pain.
This talk of “education” is useless. These addicts are trying to escape immense mental and physical stress, not have a good time getting high. 
Stone-Eater Added Mar 12, 2018 - 3:52pm
Partly right. Many are. But many also like the high and get into what you describe when they're hooked. And financial pain is finally also a result of getting hooked. A circle....
Cliff M. Added Mar 12, 2018 - 6:59pm
Opiods have put many down the wrong path to oblivion. I have seen young , well educated people loose their way when they ceased to make progress in the real world. I had a friend who beat lung cancer fall to an ugly addiction in the aftermath. The moral compass of this country is no longer an issue  . It is a sad commentary how so many are being put out to pasture in our "Great New Economy."
Spartacus Added Mar 12, 2018 - 7:47pm
Katherine, You are playing fast and loose with the facts, which undermines your argument.   First, I believe . . . 
Take it up with Wikipedia.  If that is too "General" for your tastes, I can offer numerous other volumes on this subject which can assist you in your "beliefs".
However, I do appreciate you bringing up the topic of the K12 drug dispensing agencies for children.  Not only this, these "cultural learning" centers have become drug exchanges for teens.  Time to get kids out of these institutions.
Spartacus Added Mar 12, 2018 - 7:54pm
George,  Stress manifests itself into physical pain.
I agree with this.  There are 100 reasons why opioid pain pills are appealing to Americans.  If people got off the merry-go-round once in a while, they might just see how nutty we have all become in our mission to "succeed".
Spartacus Added Mar 12, 2018 - 7:58pm
Cliff,  It is a sad commentary how so many are being put out to pasture in our "Great New Economy."
Conservatives are coming out with their own pill . . . personal accountability pill.  Too bad the blame-game drug has such a huge monopoly today on most markets.  Otherwise, the personal accountability pill would be a smashing success.  However, it too is addictive.
Cliff M. Added Mar 12, 2018 - 8:44pm
William, The personal accountability twist is a part of the problem but lack of opportunity for many is the real elephant in the room.Many sectors of the labor market have taken a large hit leaving them in limbo with  poor options sometimes the only options.
George N Romey Added Mar 12, 2018 - 8:49pm
William sounds like a Clinton supporter. You should have gone to an Ivy League college and got a STEM degree. You should have network then with rich-just like Clintons did. Then you’d have a good job.
Spartacus Added Mar 12, 2018 - 9:06pm
Offtopic:  Let me ask you both a question (Cliff and George).  
How ready are you to THINK like a 20-year-old, retrain yourself for a new vocation, and get back into the workforce?
You see, this is the problem with aging in an ever-changing, technical world.  Older people are not retraining themselves to compete . . .  and for a number of reasons.  
Once you are willing to compete again, like a 20-year-old, then you become employable.  It is not much more difficult than this.
George N Romey Added Mar 12, 2018 - 9:15pm
No William age discrimination is alive and well. It has nothing to do with skills. I’ve been told that point blank in candid conversations with people that do recruitment for a living. Some of the most smartest, able and knowledgeable people I know have been forced into jobs well below their skills level. That is fact. For most of them it’s been a financial and family nightmare.
Maybe you need to stop being a dumbed down sheep of the MSM. 
Spartacus Added Mar 12, 2018 - 9:33pm
Well, I am not seeing what you say, George.  Certainly, age has its stereotypes that older folk have to overcome.  That is a challenge for employment.  But why gripe about it?  It's just another challenge that can be overcome.  
In the industry I work in, which is very technical, requires education, I see a workforce with ages all over the place.  Older people are NOT the exception.  The workforce is starving for competent people now.
mark henry smith Added Mar 13, 2018 - 12:56pm
As  our industries struggle to recruit people not only with skills, but a work ethic, older people will become more and more desired, if they can be adaptable, as William said. What is expected of workers has changed. You have to know how to learn the language of electronic devices and understand how to handle information coming at you at dizzying speeds.
That's what freaks most older people out. Kids have been raised to feel comfortable with the pace.
Honestly, I don't think most people are taking drugs to kill pain. I think they're taking drugs to allay boredom. You get used to a level of stimulation and when it's taken away there is a period of unbelievably painful boredom that you'll do anything to escape from. I felt it when I stopped being homeless and had an apartment. There was nothing happening in the apartment. When out in the world there was always something going on. It was exciting.
Drugs, uppers and downers, alcohol, cigarettes, cigars, pot, you name it, all create a sense of excitement in the getting and the doing.  
George N Romey Added Mar 13, 2018 - 1:49pm
Too many millennials thin their skills were special. But the Baby Boomers ushered in the technology boom often with supervisors that wanted nothing to do with it. I remember in 1985 as a policy writer I finally got my own desk top. If made me to the point I was bored because I could work 200% more efficiently. Yet the department head at the time claimed it had allowed me to “goof off.” After I left the company the department let people go because not as many were needed. One poor guy in his 50s just could not type.
Cliff M. Added Mar 13, 2018 - 6:11pm
William, Many who have lost their spots in this economy were prime breadwinners. Not many breadwinners are in a position or can afford the luxury of retraining in a new field . Kudos for those who can and can actually find areas where training is available as well as worthwhile employment.
 As to me ,I have invested almost 40 years in learning the skills of a carpenter. I can retire next April if I decide to. I am always willing to learn and maybe I will do something else. I'm still actively working but the construction scene is only a speck of what it used to be along with a lot of other industries.
Cliff M. Added Mar 13, 2018 - 6:20pm
William, check out the statistic's on how many adult males of prime working age are no longer in the workforce. There is a lost generation wandering aimlessly with many making the wrong turn and going down the road and joining in the opioid crises.
Bill H. Added Mar 13, 2018 - 9:55pm
Great comment!
You can thank the Pharma industry for the requirement of certain medications as a requirement for students to enter schools.
Way back in '61, it was pushed by schools for kids that had a stuttering problem in my local school district based on a "finding from a local board of education psychologist".
I was one of them.
George N Romey Added Mar 14, 2018 - 7:09am
I've got news for William.  Even if an older worker gets this "training" he speaks of that doesn't mean an employer is going to hire that individual.  You take a 35 year old and a 55 year old that both interview well, have about the same level of relevant experience TO THAT POSITION and you can count on the 35 year old being hired just about every time.
Mike Haluska Added Mar 15, 2018 - 2:05pm
Stockton - another outstanding article!
We have been conditioned to expect instant gratification, success, wealth, respect, etc.  Pills are a microcosm of this narcissism - nobody wants to hear that they have to exercise and eat properly!  They want a "weight loss miracle pill" that allows them to continue their unhealthy behavior without the consequences.
Millions of people suffered and died terrible deaths because they didn't want to hear the truth about AIDS.  They didn't want to hear that they could protect themselves by changing their behavior and not contract the disease in the first place.  They didn't want to acknowledge that this disease could be permanently eradicated by simply NOT spreading it through irresponsible sexual contact. 
Instead of acting like rational adults and dealing with the problem using personal responsibility, they demanded that Ronald Reagan "throw money at the problem" and blamed him for the spread of the disease!  The "progressives" politicized the problem and the result was millions of people died needlessly.
Mike Haluska Added Mar 15, 2018 - 2:20pm
Bill H-
Great point!  Now the pharma industry doesn't even wait for a disease to appear, they invent them out of thin air!  Take "Attention Deficit Disorder Syndrome" for example.  For some reason the Nuns at my Catholic grade school never had a problem with ADD kids.  If the kids misbehaved or didn't pay attention, the Nun dealt with the problem immediately and directly.  As a result we paid attention, did our assignments and learned the material.
Nowadays, parents don't want to go to the trouble of fixing their kids a healthy breakfast, so they shove sugar-coated cereal, donuts and sweetened fruit drinks down their kids stomachs and then wonder why their kids are bouncing off the walls in the classroom!  The teachers sure don't want to apply discipline for fear of being sued by parents, so along comes the pharma industry to the rescue of parents and teachers - a new "disease" to blame!  Of course, along with the disease comes a new pill - designed to "calm them down" and make life manageable for parents and teachers.  Never mind that popular ADD drugs like Ritalin are simply narcotic derivatives - we'll deal with side effects later when the kid wants to shoot up his high school classmates!
Bill H. Added Mar 16, 2018 - 12:25am
Mike, You nailed it!
Give the pills a fancy name, mark them up 500%, spend 95% of the profits on advertising, and still be able to laugh all of the way to the bank.
"Ask your Doctor if Opiumovia is right for you"
The Burghal Hidage Added Mar 16, 2018 - 3:19am
And if it isn't right for you? No worries! We also have a law firm to sue the makers if things don't work out, to get you the pay off you're entitled to. Money is in the same pair of pants, just moved to a different pocket
mark henry smith Added Mar 16, 2018 - 12:33pm
Excellent analysis of the problem, Mike. The nanny state isn't just government, it's an entire consumer mindset that anything can be purchased, and industries that create the problem to create insecurity and then offer a solution. Like hair loss. Make men feel self-conscious about going bald and you can sell them a solution (double entendre). Make them feel insecure and you can sell them a gun. Sell them more police. Sell them more military. Once insecurity and self-consciousness become predominant mindsets, and that's what our litigious system also promotes, you can sell them anything that makes people feel better, but only exacerbates the problem. How many adults are now addicted to ADD drugs because their brains were warped as kids?      
Mike Haluska Added Mar 22, 2018 - 2:08pm
Bill H & mark henry -
The so-called "Nanny State" is the result of our electorate - not the politicians.  The politicians can't sell the people something they don't at least believe they want.  Shame on the politicians for pandering, double shame on us for allowing it to go on for so long.
Bill H - your last comment reminded me of most of the pharma commercials.  10 seconds talks about the drug and the next 50 seconds is a disclaimer on how many things can go wrong like bad side effects such as suicide.

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