REGULAR ORDER, Why Another Omnibus Sending Bill

Mitch McConnell ran on returning to regular order and continued to say he will fight for regular order and repealing Obama Care. Paul Ryan also ran on returning to regular order and promised to send the December 2016 repeal bill of Obama Care on the desk of a GOP President and 'he will sign it.'

 

Congress, please explain why this Omnibus bill increases spending by 13% and removes NOTHING. Over half the people in America pay income taxes and they and their children will be charged with filling the cavernous hole our Federal Government is digging. Children of tax payers statistically also are tax payers.

 

When you sit down to eat, purchase cloth, entertainment imagine you have a stranger sitting at your dinning room table for each member of your family.  You fill your car with gas and another car. This is what your paying for with your taxes.  I would guess the state taxes on the last chart would look very similar.  The poor pay taxes when they purchase things.

 

I have suggested that Trump call a press conference and have on a table the Omnibus spending bill, stack of paper a foot tall, “ I promised to drain the swamp and Congress told me to do that they would return to Regular order."

 

Trump will cut the bill as you would a deck of cards into pills that have titles of the previous regular order groupings place along the length of the table. He could say, "Paul and Mitch see how easy it is to break up you Omnibus bill into a more understandable form. I will not accept less. And you can do it in a few hours. Before the end of the day both house of Congress can approve the cut Omnibus bill and have in on my desk."

 

Comments

Autumn Cote Added Mar 22, 2018 - 3:02am
I would add white space between your final paragraph and final chart.  As always, many thanks for your participation with Writer Beat!
Pardero Added Mar 22, 2018 - 3:12am
Thomas Sutrina,
Of course it is an outrage. Everybody seems to want more going to the military. No one is ever going to touch entitlements. Trump has shrunk federal employment a little bit but it is a drop in the bucket. I paid over 24% in federal payroll taxes last year on little over the median income. My refund was not substantial. I can't imagine that I am under taxed. What simple approach that a layman can understand, do you propose?
Ric Wells Added Mar 22, 2018 - 7:06am
Thomas when are you going to learn the role of both the R's and D's is not to help the people but to control the people for the elites. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 22, 2018 - 8:20am
Ric W., Trump is not the typical R's or D's he is a populist that wants to get re-elected.  He changes is actions if enough people dislike what he is doing.  The other politicians respond to their donors and not the voters unless an overwhelming rejection is shouted at them 60% is not enough.  We need to hold Trump to his campaign promises.  
 
Pardero,  the way you conconquer welfare in by employment.  Border wall, Ice removing illegals,  inforce e-verify, end sanctuaries, etc. all open more jobs for low income and poorly skilled Americans.  Then you end Obama's action to not inforce work requirements already part of welfare.   Also you need to change welfare to not create welfare queens.  You need to have welfare reward married two parent households.  Now welfare rewards single parent households which has led to big problems with boys not learning by example of a father who to be men.     
 
The present recent idea for the problem of boys not having a man roll model, a father, if you can believe in it:  just teach them to act like a female, down play that men are different then women.   The presence of a mother is the only role model in most single parent households so get society to teach boys and girls to have the adult social thinking of a women.   Gay men have learned societies roll of a women.  So why not all the men learning it also?
Ric Wells Added Mar 22, 2018 - 8:29am
Didn't say Trump. He is a D that went R to run as an I. I am referring to the underlying power structure he is attempting to tear down. The US political system is in a shambles and needs to be completely dismantled before rebuilding from the ground up. It will take many people like Trump to do this on both sides. He is not the answer just the start. The next generation will carry on in their own say and you nor I will have a say in this.
Pardero Added Mar 22, 2018 - 8:54am
Thomas Sutrina,
Good answer and things I can easily relate to. We can get those guys on the lower rung some help by not rigging the game against them with illegals.
I have seen welfare split up young marriages. The woman can get far more if she throws out the low paid husband. The woman becomes a tramp with grandma watching the kids. The young man becomes an itinerant laborer because his garnished check is not enough to live on. The woman can get full benefits while shacking up and also benefits from the new income. 
From an economic standpoint, the state gives a huge financial reward for divorce.
 
Ric Wells,
Keen insight. Trump is beholden to the interest groups less than any before him.
Bill H. Added Mar 22, 2018 - 11:12am
Trump's biggest special interest group is his own business empire.
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 22, 2018 - 1:49pm
Ric Wells, Pardero hit it on the head.  Add that he is a populist with no ideology then he will drift towards what the majority of people tell him.  The wishy washy comments he makes is an indication that he is searching for how the public thinks.  He is trying out solution directions and then gauging the feed back.   So the point is to jump on the White House page and tell the president.  He receives regular reports on the mail that comes in.
 
Bill H. the real estate has lots of players so operates closer to a free market then many other like insurance, banking, internet, etc..  So he knows the business empire through an Adam Smith point of view not a Karnage.   He like to get government special treatment and does make an effort to purchase influence.  But I do not think he gets much in return because he is competing with so many others.   
 
The tax cut that favored business is an example of a common or shared interest of business of all sizes.  It does not favor anyone.  The tariff on steal and aluminum seem to be a tactic to drive people to the negotiating table.  China is the only nation so far that is definitely going to feel it.  But we only purchase about 8% of our steel from china.  I suspect a lot of that is in finished good that have high labor costs.  The tariff will not effect the price of the product by much.   China because of state investment in steel production is the world largest supplier so other nations much purchase their steel and aluminum.  What I do not know is if the tariff will apply to the steel and aluminum found in these products.
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 22, 2018 - 4:50pm
THE INCOME OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO DECREASE.  THE DECREASE IN THE INCOME TAX IS RECOVERED IN THE PAYROLL TAX.  (MORE PEOPLE ARE WORKING SO AS PAYROLL TAX INCREASES WELFARE DECREASES)
Mark Hunter Added Mar 23, 2018 - 3:14am
The problem with federal overspending is that one party wants to spend more in most areas while cutting spending in a few, while the other party wants to do the exact same thing. Only forcing them to pass a balanced budget every year has a chance of shrinking the government and the deficit ... if there's one thing we've seen, it's that if we keep electing the same people to Congress, they keep doing the same wrong things.
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 23, 2018 - 8:19am
Mark your correct, both parties want big government.  Both are progressives.  McConnell promised REGULAR ORDER.  The house sent the senate a dozen spending bills.  McConnell had more then enough time to put them up for a vote.  But he learned from the Obama years that a Omnibus bill provided more cover for out of control spending where citizens do not support.
 
I sent Trump a suggestion, He likes a good show.  So Trump cut that Omnibus spending bill like a deck of cards into a dozen piles.  Tell McConnell is achieved your promise to return to regular order in minutes.  I am going to VETO the single bill.  I expect you to have the bill back on may desk cut into understandable spending bills tomorrow.  You only need to add summaries."
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 23, 2018 - 8:24am
Mark the democrats that do not want to bring the spending bills to the floor will he in the hot seat.   They can not say much that make sense for not providing Trump with the Omnibus bill cut.  He should send back any bill that is a mishmash on TV with an explanation examples of the mishmash.
Dino Manalis Added Mar 23, 2018 - 9:17am
Legislators agreed to spend on everything, I don't have much faith in Congress.  Trump has to take leadership and create a careful deficit reduction plan, while sign another executive order allowing dreamers to stay.  Congress got something done, but it's up to the president to focus on the specifics!
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 23, 2018 - 10:37am
Dino, Trump has aimed ICE at criminals.  No dreamers will be deported unless they are criminals.  And having a dreamer status isn't protection even if congress passed a bill.  Criminals will be an exception in any bill.  So Trump should leave the monkey on the Dems in congress and keep saying he has put forth a plan.   
Bill H. Added Mar 23, 2018 - 11:24am
Thomas - You are correct in that Real Estate has a lot of players. In Trump's case, this includes contractors and material to build his skyscrapers and hotels the world over. You can go as far as the cost of labor, fuel, materials, availability of real estate, building restrictions, permitting, environmental impact studies, travel costs, legal costs, and a myriad of other costs and restrictions that he now has the power to modify and control to his benefit.
His priority is himself, his businesses, his family, and his empire. Nothing more. Since Trump is allowed to practice Nepotism, along with conducting his business while serving as President, this will not change. This also explains his behavior towards other world leaders. If they provide a benefit to his business opportunities, they will be treated well and rewarded. If they provide competition or a business threat, they will be punished.
All of this should be obvious to everyone.
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 23, 2018 - 12:06pm
Bill H.  here you go again missing the message: Donald J. Trump has competitors that like Trump build buildings that compete for land and occupants.  That by definition is a free market when government does not pick favorites.   You are correct the same situation exist on for all of the businesses that are involved in building buildings.
 
This Bill H. is absurd >> he now has the power to modify and control to his benefit.>> in individual cities like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc. and states like New York, California, Texas, Illinois, etc. write their own building codes.  And a private organization is charged with creating national codes.  The executive branch is not involved to my knowledge in even the writing of the national codes.   They are guide lines that smaller governments choose for convenience to adopt.  If they were not appropriate the codes would be rejected and others would be found.
 
The Clintons' have made money from public service as has the leadership of Congress and Obama, (book sales and other selling of their former position). 
 
So far the Trump family has lost money in there businesses due to boycott efforts and potential conflicts of interest.  I can not say if this will always be the case.  The cost of legal services.  The loss of a TV program.  Project with conflicts out side of America.  The loss of opportunity just for running for President makes it not worth it before the personal and emotional factors are added.
 
I can not say if once leaving office they will have similar opportunities as other presidents and take advantage.  Age of Trump would suggest less then younger presidents.
 
So Bill here again your going off on wild ass guesses or rather a personal desire to make something true that is not based on facts or even likely cause and effects.   
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 23, 2018 - 12:23pm
This bill is ~2200 pages cobbled together by the four GOP and Dem leaders of the House and Senate behind closed doors.  It will not be put up for debate or amendments allowed.  The house had 36hr and the senate 48hr to review the bill before the vote and it represents a 13% increase in spending. 
 
It funds planned parenthood, Obama Care. the government actions to bureaucratically take the right to have a gun without due process, by decry for groups of people such as veterans and people receiving SS that give the power of finances to often their children for example.  The list of groups will continue to grow.
 
It doesn't fund a border wall or sufficient resources for border security.  It doesn't address DACA.  It funds sanctuary cities. 
 
It is a recipe for the GOP to loose control of the House of Representatives.  Representative Maxine Waters and other in the house will pass a vote to start impeachment proceeding and the Muller which hunt will supply the narrative.  
 
When the Democrats ignored the people they lost control of the house and then senate.  Now when the GOP ignores the people they will also loose control of first the house and then the senate.  When will they learn that you keep your promises.  
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Mar 23, 2018 - 1:48pm
"Congress, please explain why this Omnibus bill increases spending by 13% and removes NOTHING."
 
Because the Rs are just as big a set of tax-whores as the far left. 
Ric Wells Added Mar 23, 2018 - 6:55pm
So now President has signed the bill betraying his conservative base and eroding the impression he is a populist. "Meet new boss. Same as the old boss." This will add to the losses in both house and Senate. Possibly negate a chance of winning the White House for a second term. And bolster further talks of impeachment. The system is so corrupt and broken the walls need to come down. Jefferson was correct. Every so often a revolution by the people needs to take place. It looks like Trump ain't it.
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 23, 2018 - 9:29pm
Ric W. true Pres. Trump has betrayed that portion of voters that are conservatives.  I know for a fact that conservatives are not his base, which by definition support him no mater what he does.
 
Conservatives support him when he acts positively on conservative issues.  Ann Coulter, Laura Ingraham, and I am sure many other conservatives have openly condemned signing the Omnibus spending bill.  Congratulations "Pres. Schumer" is what Ann put on face book. 
 
Ann Coulter was criticized by many conservatives for supporting Trump in the general election.   Is this the chickens coming to roost, Ann?
 
The influence that conservatives have on Trump is through the response of the public.  No conservative remains on the cabinet, and I never considered Bannon as a Constitutional conservative.   
Opes Added Mar 24, 2018 - 4:04pm
A line item veto will never be grant in our lifetime for any POTUS. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Mar 24, 2018 - 4:58pm
Trump had to make a deal for the military spending. 
Ric Wells Added Mar 24, 2018 - 5:45pm
No he could have vetoed the bill and have it resubmitted to cut out the pork. 
Ric Wells Added Mar 24, 2018 - 5:49pm
And to be honest do we really need all that military spending. The military says so but the system is so corrupt you can't believe anyone anymore. Total failure on Trumps behalf for signing something that wasn't even read. Failure by Congress as well. System failure. Should be declared unconstitutional to approve spending the people's money on something not read or understood. Impeachable offense on part of all who voted yea.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Mar 25, 2018 - 10:45am
Ric
 
"No he could have vetoed the bill and have it resubmitted to cut out the pork. "
 
Not enuf votes. Dems win this one. 
 
"Should be declared unconstitutional to approve spending the people's money on something not read or understood. Impeachable offense on part of all who voted yea."
 
Not read or understood? Congress does not operate that way.
 
Obama cut the military and  the Dems applauded. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 25, 2018 - 1:27pm
I just sent this off after on Fox having a congressmen tell me we shoulda not passed the Omnibus bill.  But the Houses that initiates all spending bills (not the president) after the Senate would not vote on the 12 house regular order spending bills.  The 4 swamp dweller leadership wrote the Omnibus bill.  But the GOP House passed it.  They not Trump were the first to fold to the swamp.  They are the closest to the people and everyone of them will have to answer to the people in November.  They have gotten to use to Omnibus bills. 
 
Dear Pres. Trump,
I am more and more angry with every person on Fox that tries to justify signing this Omnibus spending bill.  Coulda and shouda  and next time is repeated time after time.  The house has sent Omnibus spending bills to the President since 2009 the GOP House, STARTS ALL SPENDING BILLS, SINCE 2011 HAS SENT OMNIBUS SPENDING BILLS TO THE PRES. DESK.  GOP HOUSE OWNS EVERY ONE AND ALL WE GET IS COULDA AND SHOULDA AND NEXT TIME.  

Trash, "The Art of the Deal" FAKE FAKE FAKE.  Signing that Omnibus bill means YOUR WITH THE SWAMP, that is not FAKE.    Do not sell us that your responsible for defending the nation.  The biggest assault on America is from the destruction of society by inviting in the FIFTH COLUMN of illegal criminals and the drugs that is attempting to rotting society our from the inside.  The breakdown of federal law enforcement and the district court system.  That is more immediate then the military.

The fact is that Americans would have given you both the military and the border wall if you only ASKED.  And to do that you had to VETO the omnibus bill and use that bully pulpit.   You have such little trust in us and unfortunately it maybe reflected back on the GOP in November, sad.

Sincerely,
Tom Sutrina
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Mar 25, 2018 - 5:15pm
TS
 
"The fact is that Americans would have given you both the military and the border wall if you only ASKED.  And to do that you had to VETO the omnibus bill and use that bully pulpit.   You have such little trust in us and unfortunately it maybe reflected back on the GOP in November, sad."
 
Agreed, but a veto would have shut down the government leading to yet another CR giving the Dems more power. 
 
The Republican House okayed this wreckage [Ryan] because they needed Dems to vote for it. 
 
The swamp is us. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 25, 2018 - 6:54pm
The omnibus spending bill is a 'CR' continuing resolution.  No difference.   
 
So a veto of the A spending bill shuts the government down or rather ~20% of government.  It does not shut down critical parts of government including the military.  The military doesn't get paid because their salaries are part of the appropriations in the bill. 
 
Obama violated a lot of laws and said by the time the courts get to it the problem will be over.  So maybe a president needs to suspend by executive order the issuing of any executive employee during a shut down.   That cover everyone but employees of Congress and the Supreme Court. 
 
I would argue that Congress by raising the debt and other decisions approves all spending of the government.   So I am not sure that this is a violation just a different understanding of since automatically approved spending in the passed assumes approval by congress that approved the spending overall at that time.  By logic then not approving spending stops all spending.   And by their one actions salary is not critical. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 25, 2018 - 7:01pm
Ryan did approve of this wreckage by a majority vote so no democrats had to approve it.  I suspect that no GOP conservatives voted for it so they did need democrats.  McConnell also needed more then just the 10 votes to get from 50 to 60 votes since conservative Senators didn't vote for it.   The progressives of both party put themselves on record.
Utpal Patel Added Mar 26, 2018 - 8:30am
You really need to work on your grammar.  The president needs to suspend by executive order the issuing of any executive employee what? 
 
Ryan and McConnell should be applauded for avoiding another shutdown against the wishes of the President. Trump knows that the electorate disapproves of shutting down the government a lot more than spending too much.  If the Republicans are going to pick a fight on spending, they would need the support of the President.  Trump simply doesn’t support a shutdown, so there is no reason to have one.  If he was interested in picking a fight, you can be sure Ryan and McConnell would have never sent him that bill. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Mar 26, 2018 - 10:14am
The actual effect of the shut down under either party administrations is slightly favoring the GOP in numbers of seats.  But I believe counting elections the GOP wins.  Dems have controlled a house of Congress or the White house for all but 5 yrs in the last 85 yrs and 32 yrs all three.   Trump as a good argument so I think the GOP would gain from a shut down.  Buckling and violating promises is a negative.  Now a tweet said that Trump was going to use military money to build the 'wall.'   The Dems will not stand for that and to court shopping to stop him.  He needs to just ignore the lower courts and say I will continue until I get a ruling from the supreme court.
 
I was saying that Trump needs to do what is right and let the courts try to stop him.   The department work for him so he can fire and hire anyone.   He should have the power to say that Congress funds all salaries and thus when congress stops spending bills then I will not discriminate against the military.   If they do not get paid and must work, then all employees pay is not critical even if they must work.    

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