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The original Days of Rage  were actions by the Weathermen faction of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) in 1969 against

the War in Vietman and other USA disfunctionalities, many which are similar to today. They used slogans like “The Elections Dont Mean Shit” which, echoing Emma Goldman, you can hear in many places, both on the left and the right today. These actions were militant, including bombings,  and not simple protests. 

 

Recent “Days of Rage” now occur in the Middle East during the “Arab Spring”  and one recently here in the US occured after the election of Donald Trump. You can also see the language  in the propoganda pieces on the events in Charlottesville.

The rise in militancy is growing in the US also.

On the Keiser show

https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/421783-episode-max-keiser-1203/

Max and Stacy discuss the new “The Rent is Too Damn High”

movement using militant methods in opposition to gentrification.

Clearly a natural response to the growing inequalites in the US.

 

 

The Weathermen also had a slogan “Bring the War Home”

which gives me an eerie feeling when put into the context of the interpretation of McMeeken in his recent The Russian Revolution. He says that the Bolsheviks were an anti-war movement which succeeded partially due to the Russians’ WWI war fatigue. The Bolsheviks then brought their military home and unleashed it on its citizenry. He also debunks the meme that the revolution was in any way organic, supported by the proletariate, and that it was essentially accomplished by a very small number of people, few of them russians.

 

Upon reading this book, I discovered this fascinating character Soso Djugashvili, later known as Joseph Stalin.  Upon reading the book

Young Stalin, with new information from the Georgian archives, evidently Soso was  a published poet at age 17, a fine voice in the choir, an avid reader throughout his life. After 6 years in the Tiflis seminary, well known for producing athiests, he was kicked out just before attaining priesthood.  

The reason that I am discussing Soso here is that, after leaving the seminary, he needed a job and became a weatherman.  That was when he went from a charismatic poet, singer, priest, Georgian knight

to arsonist, assassin, bank robber,  terrorist, extortionist, escape artist, and revolutionary.

 

 

Mustafa

 

PS: there is a classic scene in the Steve McQueen movie Junior Bonner, where he gets into a fist fight with his brother at a local bar. The whole place erupts into a brawl and the band plays on.  I also remember when I was young that I was told that I was a Caucasian and could never understand where that came from. Upon reading about Stalins youth, one finds that in the town of Gori, where he grew up, they had a tradition that during religious holidays the town would erupt into a town-wide brawl. Almost makes me proud to be a Caucasian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Comments

Pardero Added Mar 24, 2018 - 5:58pm
Mustafa Kemal,
Interesting stuff. Thank you.
If you hurry, you can fix a formatting glitch or 2 before Autumn notices.
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 24, 2018 - 6:04pm
Pardero, we have post publication edit capabilities? Where?
 
Pardero Added Mar 24, 2018 - 6:04pm
Mustafa Kemal,
Can you save me much reading and tell me if The Weathermen and SDS actually moved America towards their goals or merely helped push people into the moral majority?
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 24, 2018 - 6:08pm
Pardero, cant help you there. weather they helped or hurt. Evidently they faded after we left Vietnam. My main curiosity is this connection between Weathermen, includint Days of Rage events,  and Communist militant revolution that is not mentioned by the Weathermen, the American Days of Rage promoters and what may be the original Weatherman Soso Djugahsvili

Mustafa 
Pardero Added Mar 24, 2018 - 6:44pm
Mustafa,
Go to yourprofile, go to article, click on edit, there you are! 
 
I don't think your relating them is far off the mark. Thank you.
Pardero Added Mar 24, 2018 - 6:45pm
Pssst. 'Like' anything you want. ; )
Michael B. Added Mar 24, 2018 - 6:57pm
I'm lost as to what The Weathermen and Stalin have in common, besides being terrorists.
Pardero Added Mar 24, 2018 - 7:05pm
Michael B.
I think that is part of what he is doing here. I believe that he is relating the activities and rhetoric of revolt, to successful revolutionaries. I got the impression that the only difference is success. The same old tactics are involved.
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 24, 2018 - 7:10pm
Michael B.
The Weathermen were  violent, militant, Communists, antiwar, and dedicated to the overthrow of the US government. 
 
Stalin started out his revolutionary path as a weatherman. His activitlies were violent and militant and dedicated to the overthrow of the Russian government. He was a Marxist.  The Bolsheviks were anti war. 
So, even without using the T word, they have alot in common.
 
The Weathermen claim they got their title from the Dylan song
Subteranean Homesick Blues, but the Illuminati chaser in me smells Illuminati code here and that the real roots of their name go back to one of the fathers of communist violent revolution Joseph Stalin. That may be something that would not help their cause to advertise. 
 
Mustafa
 
Michael B. Added Mar 24, 2018 - 7:17pm
I like what Hitler himself had to say about Stalin, and with few exceptions, has characterized Soviet and Russian leadership, and just about every other dictator for that matter, ever since:
 
"Stalin is one of the most extraordinary figures in world history. He began as a small clerk, and he has never stopped being a clerk. Stalin owes nothing to rhetoric. He governs from his office, thanks to a bureaucracy that obeys his every nod and gesture."
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 24, 2018 - 7:33pm
Michael B.  re:
"He began as a small clerk,"
 
The mastermind behind the Tiflis bank robbery, killing 40 people does not sound like an autocratic clerk to me. He certainly did not govern from his office in the early days.   If I am not mistake even Trotsky said disparaging remarks about Stalin's abilities, but the historical record appears to prove them wrong. From what I am reading he surely was
"one of the most extraordinary figures in world history."
 
Michael B. Added Mar 24, 2018 - 7:57pm
Yes, bank robbery is part of Terrorism/Revolution 101. Personally, I think Stalin thrived by pure luck and accident, as he seemed grossly incompetent in just about everything he did except murdering his own people and close associates. Not a good role model, that little man.
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 24, 2018 - 9:21pm
Michael B. re:
"Yes, bank robbery is part of Terrorism/Revolution 101"
 
ok......, but if we try to stay on point,  we were speaking of clerks:
He began as a small clerk,"
remember?
 
re:
"Personally, I think Stalin thrived by pure luck and accident, as he seemed grossly incompetent in just about everything he did"
 What information do you have that suggests "what you personally think?" .  Did USSR lose WWII? What happened to Trotsky?  Where was Hitler in 1945?
 
re:" Not a good role model, that little man."
Im not really sure what you are meaning regarding "role model" here. Im a little too old for such shenanigans.  But I am a bit flattered I must say.
 
As for "that little man.", that little man was instrumental in the Russian Revolution , which changed the world, moreover  he was Premier of  the Soviet Union from 41-53.   Some little man. 
 
Somehow I feel someone who was grossly incompetent would not last long in the environment of cataclismic revolution, war and intrigue.
 
 
Here
 https://www.amazon.com/Young-Stalin-Simon-Sebag-Montefiore/dp/1400096138/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1521940665&sr=8-1&keywords=young+stalin
 is some interesting reading. You may learn something.
 
Mustafa 
 
Flying Junior Added Mar 24, 2018 - 9:56pm
Interesting piece Mustafa
 
I have some issue with your statement about a Day of Rage after the election of the monster.  You mention propaganda pieces relating to Charlottesville.  Are you saying that this was a violent counter-protest mounted against peaceful White Separatists and Sympathizers to the Confederacy?  Or are you saying that young men with torches and clubs held a Day of Rage to celebrate the victory of a Klan-friendly president?
 
I have some stills from that summer at a different march and counter-protest.  I should figure out how to post photos.  It's quite chilling.  Four white separatists beat a young black journalist with clubs half to death.  A group of young brown people rushes in to save the man's life.  Another white separatist brandishes a pistol, threatening to fire into the press of young men.  Only when he sees he is being photographed does he holster his pistol and get out in his car.
 
Fascinating photographs of the young Stalin.  It caught me off-guard.
Michael B. Added Mar 25, 2018 - 12:11am
Mustafa, the day I learn something from a communist Turkish fish is the day I should hang it up forever, lol! If you idolize Uncle Joe, that's your trip. I don't see him as anything else but the slimy, disgusting genocidal maniac that he was. Whatever, dude! lol
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 25, 2018 - 1:36am
Micheal, B. you constantly amaze me with your long sequences of substance free  adhominems. I do admit that do sometimes throw in fallacies of higher order such as red herrings and strawman. 
 
Mustafa
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 25, 2018 - 1:41am
Flying Junior, the propaganda is that it was A Day of Rage of the White Supremacists. I watched that very closely and saw what you saw and I saw assault and provocation the other way also. I also saw the murder.   There were non white supremacists there also. And there was ,much Rage on the left. The presentation on Democracy now was quite off balance.  I cant remember the language exactly, something like "the Violent White Nationalist Gathering"  
 
Mustafa
Flying Junior Added Mar 25, 2018 - 2:40am
That's what I thought.  It is fascinating to me.  I watched the entire unfortunate event unfold more or less through the lens of black bloggers.  I also heard from liberal-leaning Christians.  We, of course, blamed the nigger-hating white supremacists.  Only natural, I suppose.
 
But as far as hatred from the left.  I can certainly understand that.  If I had been a young man, I might have been right there with them.  I don't doubt that there was violence.  Nobody does.  But it is fact that the white supremacists were carrying clubs.  Most anybody that I was talking to saw the violence originating with the white supremacists and then countered by the counter protestors.
 
They were counter-protesting KKK nazi guys.  Is that really who you want to throw in with?  The surrealistic thing was all of the resident Trumpy/racist trolls, if you will, on the FIELD NEGRO, more or less related to us all the false narrative that was being put forth.  That the violence was started by the counter protestors.  That the Blue Meanie white supremacist guys were somehow innocent victims of antifa, (whatever the fuck that is in the U.S.A.) and the real kicker...
 
The anti-social murderer racist nazi who actually drove one hundred feet into the counter-protestors and then with his steering wheel dead straight, jammed his sick right foot like concrete to the floor on his accelerator with his Obama/Bush era Dodge Challenger in reverse, thus inescapably mowing a path through the crowd.  Many got hit.  Everybody ran and jumped out of the way.  Only one or two people got killed.  But that does not diminish the crime.
 
So the trolls at the FIELD NEGRO kept us informed in real time how the narrative was more like this person was escaping antifa guys who were attacking his vehicle with whatever sticks they could find.
Pardero Added Mar 25, 2018 - 4:01am
Flying Junior,
The left uses violence and intimidation to prevent free speech. They did it at Trump rallies. We have a rough crowd among our ranks, too. Those thugs that you are promoting, met their match. I don't like what happened, but it takes fire to fight fire. Your thugs were running rampant until the government got off their ass and started pursuing them. If those thugs push hard enough, they will lose every time. Violence and suppressing speech you don't agree with, is not a winning policy. The Marxists cannot win. They are useful idiots and foot soldiers for failed ideologies.
 
Pardero Added Mar 25, 2018 - 4:08am
I would choose neither group. If I was forced to choose? I would choose against antifa and BLM every time
 
Flying Junior Added Mar 25, 2018 - 8:46am
Some one has sold you a bill of goods.
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 25, 2018 - 11:56am
Flying Junior, 
I remember sometime before that a peaceful Nazi protest march  in Sacramento was interrupted by antifa with sticks and they beat them with those sticks. When I saw that I saw trouble coming, violent trouble from the left.
 
So, I too watched this carefully.  The counter protestors flew from all over the country and what I saw was extremely agressive, verbally provocative, threatening with clubs,   to people having a protest march.  As you said
“ “But as far as hatred from the left.  I can certainly understand that.  If I had been a young man, I might have been right there with them. “” You can justify it if you like, but that does not contradict it. It is clear to me that there was Rage on the left and this rage was directed to the right in close quarters. ;Then  violence ensued, not really surprising I dont think. See my final statement.
 
re:
“But it is fact that the white supremacists were carrying clubs”
It is also a fact that the left were. They were also threatening with them.
 
“Most anybody that I was talking to saw the violence originating with the white supremacists and then countered by the counter protestors.”
 
Is that “through the lens of black bloggers?”
 
re:”They were counter-protesting KKK nazi guys.  Is that really who you want to throw in with?”
 
In my opinion, it is this kind of “your either with us or against us” fallacious logic that infects the human mind, to such a degree that we can easily be manipulated. Moreover, it is this kind of logic that is really scaring me for our future.
 
“But that does not diminish the crime.”
No, it doesnt. But that crime was not the crime of a group of Violent White Nationalists.
This is another logical fallacy
 
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Finally,  I would like to return to the subject of the post, which was The Weathermen.
 
Soso organized the Batumi Strike at the Rothschild Oil refinery, in Batum Georgia near the Turkish border. The strikers were quite militant and around 10 strikers were killed, many more wounded. Both Soso and Trotsky deemed the strike a resounding success, not despite the deaths, but because the deaths exposed the brutality of the Oil Barons.
 
In this way, one can see that tbe Charlottesville counter protest could also be deemed a success, depending on your motives.
 
Regarding “Some one has sold you a bill of goods.”, there is indeed alot of that going around.
 
Mustafa
Stone-Eater Added Mar 25, 2018 - 12:35pm
Well........Hitler was an actor too. The ones like Goebbels, Himmler and the sort made the brainwork and organisation for him. He was merely shouting around on scripts written by Goebbels.
 
People should stop to overestimate the ones they see and think about the ones who orchestrate the whole agenda.
 
Same as today.
Stone-Eater Added Mar 25, 2018 - 12:41pm
Pardero
 
Marxism at its roots is not a bad thing, as isn't capitalism or any -ism or religion. In theory. But all these are used for selfish purposes of some who are a bit more clever than the mass and can use it for their own profit, and sell it to the mass as something THEY can profit from.
 
I can't recall ONE country on that planet which ever was or is "democratic", "socialist" or whatever. Democratic Republic of Congo my ass. Before the world consisted mostly of different kingdoms. Now they're economic dictatorships. But the basic structures are still the same.
 
Today you have the CEO and not the Lord.
Pardero Added Mar 25, 2018 - 1:10pm
Stone-Eater Friedli,
That is a wise observation. At the risk of alienating those few that I have not already, I am an admirer of the German housing system. 
 
I also believe that the Japanese medical system is the best available for cost reduction and making care available to all.
Although I believe that the best possible course, would be a small plot of land with a garden and fowl, that housing system is efficient and a great benefit to many people.
 
We are conditioned to believe that we must choose between one or the other. Actually, we could choose those things from either system that worked. 
Any system can be corrupted by graft, corruption, and ambitious sociopaths. 
Stone-Eater Added Mar 25, 2018 - 1:27pm
I am an admirer of the German housing system
 
What is that ? Sorry, I'm blocked on this one ;-)
Flying Junior Added Mar 25, 2018 - 2:29pm
Mustafa,
 
It was you who mentioned the counter protestors in Charlottesville, not me.  I guess there are good people on both sides.  You were basically comparing the counter-protestors to terrorists.
 
It is fascinating to me what people can believe.
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 25, 2018 - 3:41pm
Flying Junior, re:
"You were basically comparing the counter-protestors to terrorists."
 
Wow, that is very remarkable.  I dont even compare Soso's Tiflis bank robbery, which killed 40 people a terrorist act. It was a fund raiser. I certainly dont consider his strike at Batum a terrorist act. That was nacient marxist revolution. So I consider this a terrorist act? Erff
 
"Basically" mmm, not really sure what that means.  Adding in the very loaded term "terrorist", you are very cavalier with your language, not understanding, or admitting, to loading your phrases.   I consider “terrorist”  a dead term in terms of communication, at best. At worst it is propaganda.
As an old friend of mine once said “One man’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter”
 
 
So, let me try to explain, yet again trying to return to the subject:
I am comparing what I observe regarding marxist/communist millitancy  and propaganda through the historical record.   I am speaking of revolution. 
  
 
re:"It is fascinating to me what people can believe."
Indeed it is to me also. See my comment regarding
“re:”They were counter-protesting KKK nazi guys.  Is that really who you want to throw in with?”
  
Mustafa
Flying Junior Added Mar 25, 2018 - 5:14pm
Recent “Days of Rage” now occur in the Middle East during the “Arab Spring”  and one recently here in the US occured after the election of Donald Trump. You can also see the language  in the propaganda pieces on the events in Charlottesville.
 
I will take another look at your article disregarding this statement when my anger cools.
TexasLynn Added Mar 26, 2018 - 9:14am
Interesting article… I appreciate the insight.  I need to get better understanding into the overall nature and character of Stalin.  We really do need to understand such evil is we are to avoid repeating it.  (Like that’s going to happen…)
 
From my simple perspective, I’ve always seen a fatal flaw in communism (and socialism) in that it is very prone to allow an ambitious and/or charismatic individual to take over the movement and devolve it into a dictatorship.  The same could be said for populism.  A system valuing and promoting the rule of law is the only defense.
 
If you get a chance please explain the term weatherman and the relation between Stalin the weatherman and The Weathermen in the U.S.  Is this a common historical term or a device you came up with yourself?
 
Charlottesville:
The problem with Charlottesville is there were no good guys in attendance.  The racist, the fascist (ANTIFA), and the media (egging both sides on for a fight to put on the air).  I’m with Pardero in wishing a pox on both sides (or all three in my case).  (And wishing the pox is figurative by the way.)
 
The only question in Charlottesville was who was going to hurt or kill who first.  The racist lost and the fascist gained a martyr.  It could easily have gone the other way.
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 26, 2018 - 9:46am
 
TexasLynn, 
Here is  reply I sent to Michael B, I hope this answers your question.
Mustafa
 
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The Weathermen were  violent, militant, Communists, antiwar, and dedicated to the overthrow of the US government. 
 
Stalin started out his revolutionary path as a weatherman. His activitlies were violent and militant and dedicated to the overthrow of the Russian government. He was a Marxist.  The Bolsheviks were anti war. 
So, even without using the T word, they have alot in common.
 
The Weathermen claim they got their title from the Dylan song
Subteranean Homesick Blues, but the Illuminati chaser in me smells Illuminati code here and that the real roots of their name go back to one of the fathers of communist violent revolution Joseph Stalin. That may be something that would not help their cause to advertise. 
 
Mustafa
TexasLynn Added Mar 26, 2018 - 10:39am
Sorry I missed that... I guess my more direct question is... would Stalin have called himself a weatherman?  Was the term in use at the time?
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 26, 2018 - 11:30am
TexasLynn, re:
"would Stalin have called himself a weatherman?  Was the term in use at the time?"
I doubt it. Reading about Stalin's youth, this coinidence just jumped out at me and my tinfoil hat went into overdrove. May be nothing, i dont know. It is just a thought experiment, one which clearly has gone awry.
 
Mustafa
opher goodwin Added Mar 26, 2018 - 1:52pm
How can someone who starts out as a poet become such a monster as Stalin did? What goes on in a person's head?
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 26, 2018 - 2:22pm
opher, re:
"How can someone who starts out as a poet become such a monster as Stalin did? What goes on in a person's head?"
He was also a fine singer! 
He also read a great deal, throughout his life. 
 
You can kind of get an idea from reading Young Stalin.   There are many contributing factors: alchoholic father who beat him, loving mother who beat him, Georgian knight ethos, violent revolutionary times. Georgian Town Brawl ethos during religious holidays! Six years in the Tiflis seminary, which has a reputation for producing atheists.   8?  siberian exiles, many times without proper clothing.  Some prison time. Alot of time avoiding being captured. Growing up in an atmosphere of loyalty and betrayal, during the nascent revoliutionary period. Evidently he was quite adept at smelling Okhrana spies. Both Lenin and Trotsky were quite vicious, and much of smokin Joes rep comes from the purge of the Trotskyites..
 
In his defense, it was a vicous time all around. Who knows what one might to do to survive as a revolutionary in that climate. I sure dont, but when I ask my Jungian Shadow it reminds me that I have it in me also.
 
Anyway, I am only half way through the book. I suppose after Young Stalin I will read about Mature Stalin in Stalin: In the Court of the  Red Tsar.
After that, I may have a clearer idea.
 
Mustafa
 
Flying Junior Added Mar 27, 2018 - 5:47am
Oh my fucking God!!!??!!!
 
You are watching RTV!?!
 
I finally understand the problem.
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 27, 2018 - 10:01am
Flying Junior, re:
"Oh my fucking God!!!??!!!
 
You are watching RTV!?!"
 
I havent watched TV since 1969.
 
You dont seem to be able to hear much of anything.
 
And, IMO, you dont seem to understand much of anything.
Pardero Added Mar 27, 2018 - 10:40am
Mustafa Kemal,
You bring a unique and irreplacable perspective. 
How soon we forget the profound impact that the young man pictured, had on the world.
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 27, 2018 - 11:25am
Thank you Pardero
Eric Reports Added Mar 27, 2018 - 3:55pm
Weather Underground backed Obama.  Bill Ayers was a ghostwriter for his first autobiography.  They (the former members) helped control the BHO White House along with Valerie Jarrett.
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 27, 2018 - 4:52pm
Eric, thanks for the very interesting leads.
Flying Junior Added Mar 28, 2018 - 4:54am
Hi Mustafa,
 
Leroy asked the wind why I deleted my entire article which I had penned mostly just for your own benefit.  So I explained why I thought that the entire effort had been such a waste of time.  There was no purpose to be served by saving my original content or any of the responses.  I thought you might like to know why.  It was about fifty characters too long to fit in a comment field.  I am going to edit the last sentence or two to make it fit in one.
Flying Junior Added Mar 28, 2018 - 4:55am
Thank you for asking.  I keep on thinking that there is somebody on the WB that really needs to hear my voice.  There is someone.  But it’s not going to be somebody who needs to hear my political views.
 
The Writer Beat is a right-wing stronghold.  No one will ever get tired of pseudo-science proving that the climate change scare is false and dangerous.  Pieces about the economic explosion of jobs and middle class prosperity made possible by the Trump tax cuts and his shrewd tariffs will always be welcome.  How soon will we see articles about Mueller disappear?  Will no one ever vilify Obama or Hillary again?  Oh yeah!  Arm the teachers and gun control is never going to work.  Did I miss anything?
 
The first article I penned expressly for the WB was about the violence at Charlottesville and the tepid, Nazi-friendly, if you will, response from the president.  I got a pat on the back from Opher.  You may remember the title.  If I remember correctly some of the gasping and pearl clutching over Trump’s first accidental tipping of his hand came from a small number of republican voices that were, as of yet, not terrified of the monster.  Wasn’t Paul Ryan one of the guys who did not wish to be associated with the Charlottesville Nazis and White Supremacists?  One of the most unlikely allies turned out to be Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee. 
 
The monster doesn’t like Bob Corker very much.
 
But back to my post, A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words or Why I Don’t Stand with Trump and the Nazis.  It’s not my mission to tilt at windmills and try to convert the alt-right on the WB.  To my way of thinking most have already gone too far.  If this nation does have any hope, it is in the youth vote. 
 
I was talking to Mustafa.  When I saw him post some ridiculous rant which mentioned in passing the day of rage in Charlottesville, I asked him for clarification.  All that time I wasted and all the wasted effort I took in fending off the pack of Miniature Doberman Pinschers that crumpled like dried flowers when I dared to challenge their point-of-view.  Mustafa couldn’t give me one millimeter.  He was only able to agree that some anti-social, psychopathic maniac just happened to show up at the rally and for some reason not related to the demonstration, just decided to kill some people with his car.
 
He was probably Antifa or BLM, right bros?  Violence emanates from the left.  I do have to apologize.  The video of the car murder that I watched ten times is no longer available.  TZM has forty-five seconds of it, but it is very inconclusive.  For one thing, although we do see the car in its last fifty feet of travel in gear going forward at low speed, the front end is already badly damaged.  So we clearly are not seeing the men who clubbed his vehicle while he was still in drive.  What really happened was people began chasing the car with their clubs as he slowly drove his car down a narrow street through the crowd.  By the time he backed out at high speed his car was already badly damaged, particularly on the front bumper, which occurred when he was driving into the crowd in gear at a low speed.  Several of the counter-protestors already appeared to understand that Mr. Fields was doing a vehicular murder.  A car attack.  They began to break his rear window in the last thirty seconds of forward motion.  You can watch that on the edited video.  I repeat.  You will not find the complete video.  The Great Gazoogol has decided to censor it.  If anyone can find it, please let me know.
 
Maybe you guys are right.  He was just scared.  Who could blame him for driving one full city-block in forward gear and then suddenly realizing that he actually needed to back out in order to escape?  That nutshells the irrationality of my opponents right there.  He wasn’t trying to escape.  He was trying to kill as many people as possible.
 
Not one fucking inch.  The very guy I was trying to talk to.  He had the nerve to tell me that he had hoped I would be a liberal that he could reach.  Complete fucking waste of time.  An article without any value whatsoever.  All I got was a dogpile of Trumpie flakes bitching about everything from Obama to black bloggers.  You jumped on top of the dogpile, Leroy.
 
There has been some intersection in political violence between the more militant members of Antifa-associated groups and the black-clad anarchists.  I am not narrow-minded and I am always open to being proven wrong.  But this ridiculous narrative about BLM and Antifa is really just a crock of shit.
Flying Junior Added Mar 28, 2018 - 4:56am
Sorry Bro,
 
The only news source that I could find on-line that supported your point-of-view was actually sponsored by RTV.  Just a coincidence.
Flying Junior Added Mar 28, 2018 - 5:10am
Mustafa,
 
It was your link.  RT is Russian Television.  You were watching RTV.  You were just watching it on-line.
 
target="_blank">https://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/421783-episode-max-keiser-1203/
 
You chucklehead!  lol  
 
I hope we can still be friends.  Who needs politics?  It's all realpolitik.  The only part that matters is the things that actually happen.
 
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 28, 2018 - 10:35am
Flying Junior, I thought you meant some form of TV. Again, your cavalier use of terminology has sent our attempts at communication into  a spin. 
If you had said RT we wouldnt be in this particular roundabout. Its a good place to see the Russian viewpoint, including their propaganda, IMO.
 
Yes, I do watch much on line.  I go to many places, including ones promoting their own propaganda. Were there errors in that broadcast? I have found Keiser, although a bit nutty, rather informative. He is partly why I am sitting on a pile of crypto profits that I need to worry about how to pay taxes on.  That kind of propaganda I can use.
 
I also watch Zero Hedge and if you look around you can see accusations of working for Russia. Use those unsupported allegations as you like.  IMO it is the best place for news on geopolitics/economics. The comment gallery you should avoid. You will get angry and very upset.
 
Here
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-27/saker-mourns-what-happened-west-i-was-born
 
is what I am concerned with; DACA or Charlottesville not so much.
 
re: “I hope we can still be friends.”
 
I have more friends than I need. I am looking for communication. I have tried with you.
 
re:” Who needs politics?  “
I do.
 
re:”you chucklehead!” I will remind you that I do not use adhominems. 
Logical fallacies do not belong to any dialtectic that I understand. 
 
Do you know what a dialectic is? 
 
I anxiously await your response to my question.
Mustafa
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 28, 2018 - 4:10pm
Flying Junior, re:
"When I saw him post some ridiculous rant which mentioned in passing the day of rage in Charlottesville,"
Can you support  the "ridiculous" and "rant" part of this assertion?
 
re:
"some anti-social, psychopathic maniac just happened to show up at the rally and for some reason not related to the demonstration,"
This is absurd. Can you support that assertion?
 
I have really tried to communicate with you, but is appears that you see what you want to see and dont listen. I am not going to call you a liar, although it has crossed my mind. Instead I suspect you are so angry that you cannot read  and think properly.  You have yet to respond to any of my points but simply introduce some strawmen to beat up on that I find irrelevant to the post. 
 
Im still curious if you know what a dialectic is.
 
Mustafa
Flying Junior Added Mar 28, 2018 - 8:27pm
I like your idea of a dialectic.  Let's try it some time.  I think my topic is a little bit too visceral for me to approach in a dispassionate way.
 
I can appreciate that you do not care for my description of your position on the car attack.  But the truth is whatever you have said, you refuse to acknowledge that the car attack was intentionally and unnecessarily perpetrated by one of the White Supremacists.
 
Say it yourself again however you like if you wish to rephrase it.  Car attacker was not a White Supremacist or something to that effect.  I will come back to read it, if you choose to rephrase or reiterate.
 
My only apology is that the complete video is no longer findable with standard search engines.  I probably had it presented to me.  I didn't have to use a search engine last August.  It is quite a bit longer than the forty-nine seconds that have been preserved on TMZ.
 
There will be a trial, Mustafa.  I believe his name is James Field.  Let's talk about it again as the evidence unfolds.  I'm fairly certain that the court will unseal any controversial evidence after whichever guilty verdict is reached and all appeals exhausted.
 
I wonder how many on the Alt-Writer's Beat will contribute to his legal defense?
 
Other than that I am done.  I told everybody that this is extremely painful to me and I do not wish to pursue further discussion.
Mustafa Kemal Added Mar 28, 2018 - 9:54pm
Flying Junior, re:
"But the truth is whatever you have said, you refuse to acknowledge that the car attack was intentionally and unnecessarily perpetrated by one of the White Supremacists."
I have already done so.
I dont need to see the video, I saw it, i told you. You are not paying attention.
 
re
"There will be a trial, Mustafa.  I believe his name is James Field.  Let's talk about it again as the evidence unfolds.  I'm fairly certain that the court will unseal any controversial evidence after whichever guilty verdict is reached and all appeals exhausted.
 
I dont care. Im frying bigger fish.
 
"I wonder how many on the Alt-Writer's Beat will contribute to his legal defense?"
 This statement reveals alot. Im starting to  think you need real help. My bet would be zero (0).
 
re:
" I think my topic is a little bit too visceral for me to approach in a dispassionate way."
IMO, anger and hatred cause one sickness and blindness. It is not the Buddha way.  Angry and rageful people often say and do things that they regret later and can hurt innocent people. As an aside,  as a fighter, we are trained to leave those emotions behind. For if not, we cannot truly read our opponent. We are blind.  But this should not be relevant here, since, in a dialect, we are not opponents, but collaborators, collaborators on a quest for truth.  That is why I asked you that.  IMO, you have not heard what I said but heard what you thought I said. You have not heard much. 
 
I wish you well.
Pardero Added Mar 29, 2018 - 1:26am
Mustafa Kemal,
You did very well.
Flying Junior is upset with me, too. At least he is talking to you. He gets pretty wound up. I was gloomy for most of the Obama presidency. It must be hard for hard core libs right now.
Flying Junior Added Mar 29, 2018 - 3:13am
Damn right Pardero!  You're on my short list!
 
Bros,
 
I don't worry about this stuff.  As I always say, we're all Americans.  After joining the WB, I have to be sure that I don't exclude honest people from several countries.
 
I'm going to take that hard core lib thing as a compliment.
 
Peace,
 
FJ

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