Humanity lost

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I recently read a psychotic rant about how America has caused the world to turn violent, and how they deserved to be targeted on 9-11. I called the author a sick little California Bastard! Then half a dozen more WB commenters, backed him up. One demented Swiss even said it was America killing Americans. A brit claimed America was support for England who won WWII, and a Canadian claimed Russia defeated ISIS and Al Queida. I concluded that WB had turned into an Asylum,  not worthy of participation.


But I started thinking. How did we get this way. How did we lose our humanity? To deduce that almost 3000 people of all colors, ages and sexes, who just went to work, many were as Liberal Left as these deluded commenters, deserved to die, because they lived in America?


But this mental illness, that thinks it is OK to harm someone who disagrees with you, has been growing for sometime. My generation believed you had a right to your own opinion. “ I may disagree with what you say. But I will defend to the death, your RIGHT to say it.” I believe dehunanizing began with the internet. But first a bit of background on why I believe that.


War has always seen innocents get slaughtered, but they were never the targets. If troops were in a town, the town got destroyed. But we had rules of war, documented by the Geneva convention. After the war, those who violated the rules of humanity, were made to pay.


The victors initiated the Marshall plan for friends and enemies alike. But all this began to change when JEWS started to migrate to the Palestine. It became acceptable for Muslims to kill old men, women and children. After all they had a right to fight back. That was also the beginning of suicide bombers. Until then, it was thought that no one was crazy enough to blow themselves up. This inhumane approach was justified by the left, because Jews were killing Muslim children. But the Muslim children were collateral damage, not targets. Israeli children on school busses or in Pizza parlors were targets. And somehow the left who claimed to speak for the downtrodden, accepted the slaughter of innocents as legitimate means to an end.


Which brings me back to the internet. That flat screen has no expression, except that recorded for youtube. It has no verbal tone, no excitement . It is a pile of pixels, that can be destroyed at will. Nothing lost but some words on a screen.


We have become so accepting of Google lies and misinformation by bloggers, that fact has lost meaning. Somebody even wrote on WB, that there is no truth! The whole concept of existance, has become a pile of pixel's. It is acceptable to use any means necessary to win an argument.


Attempting to do the right thing is not as important as being on the right side of an argument, and being Politically correct. Only extremes matter, not people. Those who died in the twin towers were :

Expat: 9/11 is a classic case of “Blowback”.
You can’t go around blowing other people up and expect not to have it happen at some point to you.
That point was 9/11 for the U.S. ........... you know, “you reap what you sow.”


As far as I know, no one in the Twin Towers, ever blew anything up. My friend William Wiley, a young black man just starting his career, and my Financial adviser, just wanted to make a better life for himself and humanity, We had many discussions about race relations in USA.


But in the sick mind of half a dozen WB anti Americans, the imagined sins of USA were his sins, and death was a just reward.


There was a bit of humor in all this:

“And the old tired tale of an old man on dialyses with a lap top who may have been dead at the time planning and directing from a cave in Afghanistan the entire event is just a little bit too comic book for Tubularsock.”


A dialysis machine in an Afghanistan cave? Did this poor fool ever hear of Al Quaeda? He thinks the attack on 9-11 was a one man operation. One sick old man named Bin Laden. Yes, this guy is a living comic book!


The demented Swiss even asked when I was going back to defend the USA. Well, I did my time trying to make the world a better place. Now I enjoy humanity that is concerned for other Thai's and anyone who needs help. We actually TALK to each other. The social WAR, that is going on in my Expat country is not something I wish to participate in at 75.



EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 5:04am
A religious nut job even said 9-11 was predicted as part of the apocalypse.
opher goodwin Added Apr 6, 2018 - 5:21am
I don't think anybody suggested that the people in the towers deserved to die or condoned it. They merely saw it as tit for tat. When you go blowing up innocent people all over the world then expect a reaction.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 5:26am
I think this deluded concept that innocents can be slaughtered to enforce a Political/religious philosophy. In the mind of a over the edge participant, is what is behind the mass slaughter around the world. Las Vegas shooting, attacks on school children, attacks in France, Germany, Britain, Spain, Belgum.
All are justified by the perpetrators on the Internet. Facebook has become the new Police Gazette.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 5:33am
opher. You poor fool. tit-for-tat IS justification.
"When you go blowing up innocent people all over the world then expect a reaction."
Yes. The people in the towers were all terrorists. My GOD man, get help before you die in a justified mass murder. You are dangerous.
Flying Junior Added Apr 6, 2018 - 5:50am
Okay, I had not read the top comment.
Yeah man.  Fuck that!
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 5:58am
FJ. Most of the civilized world condemned the attack on 9-11. There are a few nut jobs who have lost all reasoning ability, that perpetuate this Justification/conspiracy insanity. My intent was not to spotlight them, as they are insignificant and only write to make noise.
But I see the acceptance of -slaughter of the innocent -growing, for multiple mindless reasons. When you lose respect for human life, all of the atrocities of the past, can be repeated! And that is why I wrote this article.
By the way, the author identified himself in the last quote in the article.
opher goodwin Added Apr 6, 2018 - 6:16am
Expat - No. Once again you fail to understand. Let me spell it out.
Killing people is horribly wrong!!
The killing of the people in the towers was horribly wrong!!
Blowing up innocent people all over the world is horribly wrong!!
When you blow up innocent people you create hatred and a wish for revenge!! Their friends and kin become enraged.
America has created a great number of enemies.
When they are not capable of retaliating in the same way because they do not have the military power they resort to terrorism.
I am not condoning terrorism neither am I condoning the brute force America has been deploying for decades.
What I am saying is that if you go throwing your weight around don't be surprised if you get punched back.
It's not hard to understand.
Ric Wells Added Apr 6, 2018 - 6:27am
Expat throughout history different humans have been destroying other humans for the sake of many many factors. Humanity Lost? My question would be How can you lose something one never had?
Bill Kamps Added Apr 6, 2018 - 6:31am
War has always seen innocents get slaughtered, but they were never the targets.
Maybe we didnt "say" they were targets.  However, when the bombers dropped bombs on the cities of the UK,  Europe and Japan, the innocents were really the targets.  War has been played by the rules, until it wasn't.  Sherman got it right, war is hell, having killed plenty of innocents himself.
I would tend to agree the internet has encouraged impolite discussion to the point where anyone who disagrees with someone is an enemy.  There is no partial disagreement, no give and take, and little respect for other's opinions.   The internet also encourages people of like mind to stick together, and to reinforce each other's views, even when those views may be nonsense.  This stifles real learning because people just turn off anything that doesnt sound like their preconceived ideas. 
Everything is a conspiracy, not really.  The reality is that countries, including the US, do a lot of things out of stupidity and ignorance, rather than always being a conspiracy.
There is a lot of hyperbole in WB.  While the arms dealers do support more conflicts in the world, reading WB, it sounds like they go into the White House demanding the President finds them another war, and soon.  Then they all sit around a map and try to figure out what place to attack that will chew up the most bullets, and ammunition.  That is a bit over the top.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 6:41am
Glad you are showing a little humanity opher. But you still don't understand that the ONLY way to peace is through strength, as I demonstrated to you on the dirty sock article.
As long as there are evil people, and evil governments that try to intimidate the world, by slaughter of the innocents, AMERICA must destroy them, or return them to the cowards they really are. Your progressive countries sure as hell won't. Europe adopted a "Let America do it!" attitude after WWII. They wouldn't even pay their NATO bills, until Trump made them.
There is such a thing as justifiable homicide, but only on evil doers.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 6:47am
Ric. Yes, man's inhumanity to man has been relentless through out history, but isn't it about time for the only Super Power to say enough! If you attack the weak, the strong will kick your ass! I did it in High School for a small kid who was being Bullied. Believe me it works!
Peace through Strength, is the only choice!
Bill Kamps Added Apr 6, 2018 - 6:51am
But you still don't understand that the ONLY way to peace is through strength
I agree, my question is , how much strength is enough?  Europe, without the US, outspends Russia on defense at least 3:1, so why are the Balkans vulnerable?  why is there this impression that they dont spend enough to counter the Russians?   the US outspends Russia 10:1 on defense, and more than the next ten countries combined, eight of which are allies, why do we need to spend more? cant we spend it smarter and be just as safe?
Maybe Europe is spending too many defense dollars on fancy meals and hotel rooms, instead of on troops and tanks.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 6:56am
Bill Kamps. You had me agreeing with you, until you slipped into your MIC conspiracy. When did USA, bomb UK? You could make a case for Dresden and Hiroshima, but 90% is better than planned destruction and murder.
Bill Kamps Added Apr 6, 2018 - 7:02am
When did USA, bomb UK?
I didnt say the US bombed the UK, I said the UK was bombed.  It was, by the Germans.  The German bombing of London was targeted at civilians without a doubt. 
Most the bombing of the cities that was done was pretty indiscriminate.  They "said" they were bombing factories, but reality is for lots of reasons they just werent that accurate and they knew it.  It was more a campaign of fear.  Not saying they had choices.  Sherman didnt feel he had a choice either, and perhaps he was right given the circumstances. 
The MIC conspiracy part was sarcasm, I though it was obvious, but see how it goes on the internet.  I have no doubt the MIC cheers every new war, but they hardly plan them.
Ric Wells Added Apr 6, 2018 - 7:07am
So it's possible and even probable inhumanity is ingrained into the human psyche. Do you really expect the powers in control to relinquish said control. All this is diversionary to maintain said power structure. 
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 7:30am
Sorry Bill K. I thought you were referring to American bombers as the subject was Evil America. But you are DEAD WRONG about WWII bombing being indiscriminate. Military first, then Industry second. There was not enough bombs to waste on cities. When the Israeli Government in London, requested allies bomb Auschwitz to stop the extermination, they were told it was not a priority. Military and industry were the priority. 
I not only misunderstood your bombing comment, I also missed your MIC sarcasm. That is the problem now a days. You can't tell sarcasm from fake information anymore. At least I get confused!
As to how much strength is enough, the answer is overwhelming Strength. So much that the would be enemy knows he will be destroyed, as NOKO did.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 7:33am
Then, perhaps THEY will give up the arms race, and turn to benefitting their own people! Allowing USA to decrease participation.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 6, 2018 - 8:36am
How do you feel about the DUHmerican approved and sponsored Red Buffalo weekly protests in BKK? Hmm? That sick fuck Amb Glynn Davies is determined to start a fuckin' color revolution right here in the Kingdom. 
And Thais we're killed on 9/11 too.
Steve Bull Added Apr 6, 2018 - 8:40am
I'm curious as to how you reconcile your beliefs with Hiroshima and Nagasaki, two targets that obliterated a significant number of 'innocents'; and, if some arguments are true, was more about signalling the military strength of the West to the Soviet Union than ensuring the surrender of Japan. 
I also have to disagree with your premise that war is about 'doing the right thing'. I've come to believe that it is as US Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler argued, a 'racket' primarily used to ensure economic expansion/hegemony over competitors. The 'morality' side of it is more a 'marketing' ploy to garner support from the masses--as Noam Chomsky argues, it is about 'manufacturing consent for murderous policies'. 
wsucram15 Added Apr 6, 2018 - 9:10am
Expat..I have always liked the passion in your articles.
In some ways your perspective is correct, and we do need strength to obtain peace, but all need to be participating.  You dont win by being the bully (well for a time) and eventually someone will always strike back.   The problem with that is you then double or quadruple up on them.   Overall, we got back at the wrong people. We got to see a covered body dumped in the ocean for closure and we created Isis.
Eventually though, it isnt going to be a few thousand Americans killed.  It will be more.  So are you right?  Cant we be smarter in how we spend and what we use that money for?  Bill is right we outspend most countries on defense.  But after the past couple of years, maybe its the wrong kind of defense and our aggression can be utilized elsewhere.  just a thought
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 9:34am
Steve,  I mentioned Dresden and Hiroshima as possible exceptions, but they were not policy. Bringing the war to a quick end, was a worthy goal. You can decide if it was moral or not! Yes the popular theory is that not having to share the Pacific with Russia was a possible reason, since they did nothing for the war in the pacific.
My point was that bombing civilian populations was not policy. Islam has made it policy, and the deluded Left tries to justify it with made up motivation and conspiracy theories.
I never said or even eluded to a premise:
"I also have to disagree with your premise that war is about 'doing the right thing'"
I said the only way to stop aggression, is with overwhelming force.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 9:53am
All will never participate until it is a World War! That has been history, and Europe continues to this day. If America doesn't do it; it doesn't get done!!!
Telling evil doers you will destroy them IF they act badly, is not being a BULLY.
Bin Laden and his billions, and Al Queada  was the wrong people? I don't think so!
I agree with you about Americans getting killed. We should open enlistment in the U.S.Army to all nationalities, and field LOCAL troops.
We can always be smarter in how we spend money. Trump, after 60 years has gotten Europe to pay their NATO share.
America is the only Super Power in the world! It got that way by outspending everybody else!
Obama tried to cut back, and the result was a Middle East on fire! Yes, the last couple of years, were the Obama years of cooperation, apology, weakness and USA is just another country.
Well America is back! NORTH Korea, is wanting to talk, Iran has stopped challenging our ships, ISIS is defeated, and Russia is pulling back. No longer does China try to bully their way into controlling the South China Sea. They now are buying SEA.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 6, 2018 - 10:07am
When Obama got in office and tried a new way I watched carerully as he, replaced our big stick with a big smile and promises that he was dismantling out military might and replacing it with pleas for sanity and restraint.   He  was sincere in his efforts, even bowing to other countries rulers.
He did have a point, the world has changed and it's possible we were at a point where we might be able to get more with honey than vinegar.
However in hindsight I noticed his open arms approach was welcomed by those who saw his efforts as weakness and an opportunity to take advantage of US while it was safe to do so.  His policies were a humiliating failure, and even he noticed that and was forced to continue many of the much more aggressive tactics he previously condemned his predecessors for, in order to avoid disastrous changes.
It's nice to say "lets just all get along", and offer to put our big stick on a shelf, but if it doesn't work, only a fool will pretend it does work.  Anyone who has worked with kids knows there is a time and place for compassion and linency and a time an place for discipline.
I suspect those who want to force us to be peaceful are just as unrealistic as Obama was before he was elected and responsible for the results of his actions.
Steve Bull Added Apr 6, 2018 - 10:31am
Yes, I see where you mentioned possible 'exceptions' to war 'policy' in one of your comments (not the article). I find that such policies, while 'wonderful' in intent, have probably been just a kind of 'guideline' when push comes to shove and often gets rationalized as 'unfortunate collateral damage'--it wasn't our intent to blow up that wedding party in Yemen, we were targeting an individual terrorist who was likely present. I also understand the rationale/justification for assigning military and industrial targets as the primary targets (after all, what better way to undermine enemy resistance than to attack their fighting force and economic foundations--and I continue to believe war is more about economics than anything else--and civilian deaths do serve to create more enemies and resistance). 
You assert that it is Islam that has turned this policy on its head. Perhaps. I honestly don't know enough about it's history to counter that argument or agree. What I have read is that it has also been used by non-Islam 'forces' as false flags throughout modern history. 
Finally, you seem to be arguing that strength is the only means of bringing about peace. A kind of Orwellian assertion that War is Peace. Again, perhaps. I personally see a problem with the concentration of such 'power' in the hands of one 'entity' (be that a sovereign nation or supranational one). There seems to be a lot of truth in the saying that "power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely". 
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 10:32am
Jeffry. Red Buffalo is a farang term for Red Shirt politics. Thai  politics has always been a clash of haves and have nots. The  ambassador is prevented from dealing with a military Junta, by USA law. He can only represent USA. I not only do not see a revolution of any color, I am amazed that things have been as calm as they are.
So, I don't know what the hell you are talking about. But I live in Pattaya. What goes on in Bangkok, stays in Bangkok.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 10:39am
Rusty. Spot on comment. I can relate, as I owned a 150 student pre school in Flower mound, Texas.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 10:51am
Steve. Not Orwellian. Reagan. That is how he defeated the Soviet Union.
Peace through strength.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 6, 2018 - 1:34pm
One demented Swiss even said it was America killing Americans.
What the fuck are you talking about ? Where did I say THAT ? Link and copy that here, ok ? If you don't support magic mushrooms, don't eat them LOL
Stone-Eater Added Apr 6, 2018 - 1:37pm
BTW: If you happen to have given Mr. Alzheimer a break I remind you that I said I can IMAGINE that certain people WITHIN the US might have organized 9/11 in order to justify the invasion of Iraq. Ok ? You might as well ask General Wesley Clark about that subject. Maybe that helps.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 6, 2018 - 1:39pm
I really hate to say that but I believe that WB is not that unrepresentative. We have more extreme positions because there are few free speech zones out there and WB is one, but the overall noise is the buzz of the world. And it is insane. We all could be sitting on a UN council. ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Apr 6, 2018 - 1:40pm
We can always be smarter in how we spend money.
I thought you live in Thailand. Why are you so concerned about the USA while living so far away ? Try to occupy yourself with your new homeland. Or .....hmm....ok. *thoughts*
Stone-Eater Added Apr 6, 2018 - 1:50pm
I have nothing against any country which produces value and is properly organized and thus has a certain power and status in the world - be that the US, China, Russia or whichever.
But when the people in that country (or citizens which live outside) believe that they are the chosen ones and only THEY know all the answers to everything and play CEO of the world, I approve when others tell them where to stop.
Gerrilea Added Apr 6, 2018 - 2:08pm
Expat-- Sadly your emotions will get the best of you.
While I abhor violence and war, WE did this to ourselves, correction, our government painted bulleye's on us all when they engaged in their "American Hegemony".
The actions of our government, along with NATO members have killed millions, "to spread democracy".
Whether the operations were military, political or economic...WE are responsible.  We voted the bastards into office.
Here, read up on the crimes of our CIA.  Their single act alone in 1953 Iran CAUSED the death of millions.
The crimes our government committed in South America over the last 100 yrs pales in comparison to 3,000 dying on 9-11.
Madeline Albright said the death of over 500,000 Iraqi children "was worth it".
Maybe you and Bill H can get together and review General Wesley Clark's statements about their plans to take over Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Iran.
YES, the Military Industrial Complex plans AND executes these endless wars!  Since the end of World War II we have killed almost 30 million people worldwide.
I'm a firm believer, if the oppressed people in any nation want change, they'll fight for it themselves, they don't need our "help".
If the religion of "peace" wants me thrown off a building, just for existing, don't let them come here.  Do whatever the hell they want in their own nation.  The rationalizations "religion" brainwashes the masses with must be stopped from spreading.  In my humble opinion.  Build a wall around their countries and don't let them out...let them destroy themselves.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 6, 2018 - 2:09pm
Gerrilea Added Apr 6, 2018 - 2:22pm
SEF---ROFL...thanks...I just started naming things off the top of my head.  Whew.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 6, 2018 - 2:26pm
Gerrilea: I think your numbers don't suffciently include the number of car accidents while there is some war some place and the number of death by Jew through some sickness.
Gerrilea Added Apr 6, 2018 - 3:08pm
Benjamin G-- I really don't get what it is you're saying...are you being sarcastic? I've never blamed the Jew's for anything, hell I was engaged to one...he was funny though and a dry wit about him...
Wait, do you guys run the Military Industrial Complex?  Shit, I shudda known..!
Stone-Eater Added Apr 6, 2018 - 3:13pm
You know who makes the dirtiest jokes about the Holocaust ? The Jews ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Apr 6, 2018 - 3:19pm
BTW: I have a friend called David Zucker, but without -berg. He's as much Jew as one can be, but I assure you, he's as much against orthodox Jews as much as my good friend and business partner which is a Muslim who is against all that extreme Wahhabia Islam crap coming from the Saudis.
The majority of people are sane. We shouldn't concentrate on those assholes who make mass media stories.
Flying Junior Added Apr 6, 2018 - 3:49pm
America is the only Super Power in the world! It got that way by outspending everybody else!
There is truth to that statement.  But those of you who have known WWII vets and the civilian economy that supported them all of your life know that mostly it had a lot to do with hard work, ingenuity and self-sacrifice in the early days.  I'm not saying other allies didn't make similar sacrifices.
If all we had to do was divert our treasure into the MIC we should have already been quite safe by now.  Maybe we are safe?  Not sure.  President Obama didn't scale back the military very much that I noticed.  What an outlandish notion.  I don't blame him for attempting to end or limit engagement in Iraq, Yemen, Syria and Afghanistan.  It's not like we lost ground.  But that's exactly what the American Right wants to believe.  Some how the feckless Obama lost our compass and we need the belligerent to rebuild our military.
My last two cents.  When an unnecessary war is perpetrated, personified by the misguided Operation Iraqi Destruction, civilian deaths are not unintended casualties of war.  Each one is a murder and awar crime.  Every city levelled to rubble by the war is an atrocity.  I hope that DJT is a decent man who possesses the humanity to not throw away innocent lives.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 6, 2018 - 5:14pm
Dream on. DJT is not the one who decides.
Pardero Added Apr 6, 2018 - 7:01pm
Your service to the country is commendable.
You mention 'doing your part to make the world safer.'
The trouble is, things are worse. If Saddam had lived to be 1,000 years old, he would have killed fewer than the babies that died in one day from US intervention.
Mama used to say, 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions.'
Sadly, your intentions and contribution, and those of all your fellows, made the world a more dangerous place. You unwittingly helped create ISIS. You unwittingly helped kick start opium production in Afghanistan. 
The present situation in Syria is a direct result of that misguided intervention.
Libya is now a failed state with unspeakable horrors and misery, due to intervention. 
You have earned the right to have an opinion, even one that may only be a salve for your conscience. 
A soldier needs to cling to the propaganda while risking life for empire or geo-political strategy or making the world safer for Israel.
You are free to critically examine, now. This would be a good time to start.
Cliff M. Added Apr 6, 2018 - 8:01pm
XPat,  The storyline of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" lost a whole slew of supporters back at the Irag War inception.A lot of bitter, factionalized people still exist to this day. The US is not the place it was at the turn of the century.If shit breaks out again the draft will be totally back in play. Most of the current professional soldiers have deployed multiple times and are stretched at this point.
A. Jones Added Apr 6, 2018 - 8:19pm
When you go blowing up innocent people all over the world then expect a reaction.
I thought that's what Muslim jihadists had been doing for several decades.
A. Jones Added Apr 6, 2018 - 8:24pm
he would have killed fewer than the babies that died in one day from US intervention.
Saddam controlled the media in Iraq. Had he murdered a thousand times the casualties resulting from U.S. intervention, you'd simply never hear about it.
Your argument seems to be, "I never heard about such events therefore such events never occurred."
Not very sound logic.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 8:40pm

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 6, 2018 - 1:34pm

One demented Swiss even said it was America killing Americans.
What the fuck are you talking about ? Where did I say THAT ? Link and copy that here, ok ? If you don't support magic mushrooms, don't eat them LOL

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 5, 2018 - 12:14pm

BTW: 9/11 was an inside job. Everybody who doesn't believe that didn't follow to what happened afterwards.
Here in Europe we don't believe ANYTHING anymore of what the US tells us, at least the youth is critical. Thanks to Powell and Rice and their Iraq flow chart LOL
You have lost what was left of your burnout brain!  You can't even remember what you wrote the day before!
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 8:51pm

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 6, 2018 - 1:40pm

We can always be smarter in how we spend money.
I thought you live in Thailand. Why are you so concerned about the USA while living so far away ? Try to occupy yourself with your new homeland. Or .....hmm....ok. *thoughts*
A demented Swiss, who uses his Swiss welfare money from an African wife with AIDS, to support people in Africa, is telling an American living in Thailand, he has no right to comment on his Expat homeland!
This is the height of Progressive Delusion. If you can't refute the message, try to discredit the author
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 9:10pm
Is it really your position that "American Hegemony" is the reason USA has a world position as the only Super Power? WWII and the failure of Europe to contain Hitler, had nothing to do with it?
How about the bombing of Pearl Harbor.
Pardero Added Apr 6, 2018 - 9:19pm
A. Jones,
I don't speak the language, so Saddam's propaganda never reached me.
Some of my news sources were pro-war propaganda that was non-stop alleged Iraqi atrocities.
I relied on an assortment of news agencies in an attempt to get the truth from a sea of propaganda.
We are now able to get a rough idea of the casualties. 
For you to assume that I watched the Saddam channel, if there was one, is not very sound logic.
If you are still selling yellow cake and baby incubators after all these years, that isn't very sound logic, either. 
It took the hindsight of 10 years for the general public to catch up with me, maybe you will, too, someday, but I probably give you too much credit.
I am really not interested in debating the merits of the Gulf War. For once, conventional wisdom and public opinion can take care of that for me. If you liked that one, a Syrian quagmire should thrill you.
Flying Junior Added Apr 6, 2018 - 9:41pm
I"m with you on Iraq, Pard.
It was an unforgivable sin that we started that war.  Millions died.  Our nation will never again rise out of debtor status.  Tens of thousands of soldiers from each country were disabled.  Cities and homes were destroyed.  Men were unjustly imprisoned.  Tattered remains of families and orphans became desperate refugees on foot trudging through a desert land with no food or water.  More have died in the ensuing fifteen year-old War on Terror.
Flying Junior Added Apr 6, 2018 - 9:52pm
I don't get your point, Mr. Jones.  Even if Saddam Hussein had abused his own population, unless the genocide was ongoing there existed no reason for U.S. intervention.
You and I both know that the only reason we went to war was so the Cheney, Rumsfeld and the PNAC guys could get on a,"Firm war footing," and have a helluva good time whilst bilking the U.S. taxpayers out of hundreds of billions of $$ in military contracts and kickbacks.
Is alt-right-news really that deficient that you never were able to read that between the lines?  Every day I am amazed at the things I see.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 9:53pm
You cannot get your head, out of the box you created. But for others, I need to clarify the record. I served my country, but it was to fill my bank account.
I never said I wanted to make the world safer, I said, make the world BETTER.
Iraq is still digging up the mass graves of Saddam. I was living at his Palace near Baghdad Airport, Camp Victory, and traveling to the Green Zone via Route Irish. We saw the Love Island where his Generals could choose a VIRGIN child as reward for loyalty.
It was recorded, that a 13 year old girl drew a cartoon of Saddam, in school. The teacher reported her to authorities, and she was tied to a rape bed, and his guards took turns raping her in front of her family, until she died.
If you want to know about me, my real name is Charles Gully, and I am on LinkedIn. Where my Construction career around the world can be found. My job in Iraq, was to rebuild the Power Grid, but we could not connect electricity, because the Iraqi government wanted total control of the power grid.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 9:57pm
Twelve Years Later, US Media Still Can't Get Iraqi WMD Story Right


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Pardero Added Apr 6, 2018 - 10:17pm
Flying Junior,
Thanks. I figured I could count on you to oppose the perpetual War on Terror. 
This country remembered Viet Nam for a generation. Now, people are rearing to go to another war before the latest one ends.
All that destruction for nothing. 
We could be building bridges and factories in these countries. Desalination plants and wastewater treatment plants. 
Saudi Arabia has a new makeover as a benevolent ally. Meanwhile, they practice genocide on the Yemenis. 
Syria seemed to be minding their own business until outside actors  interfered. Then we destroy Iran and partition them? Does Turkey make the list? Will the psychopaths then be satisfied?
If Trump gets us out of Syria, maybe that one will be over. The Yemenis are probably doomed.
Maybe the Kurds will give up revolution and go home and get a job or something if we quit paying them to fight. Then the Turks can go home. 
Flying Junior Added Apr 6, 2018 - 10:21pm
Thank you for the information EXPAT.  Great discussion.  My thing was the the wiser course of action would have been to sort of be an uncomfortably close friend to Hussein.  Get so close that he couldn't really ignore the U.S. and our allies.  Buy his oil.  Crowd him with U.S. diplomats and visitors.  Encourage U.S. investment.  Build hotels.  Provide agricultural advisors.  Just sort of buddy up to the guy in an attempt to force him to make nice in the world community.
But I didn't have much of a voice.  Thank you for your service.
EXPAT Added Apr 6, 2018 - 10:52pm
FJ. During the Iran/Iraq war, USA ignored Saddam. As far as buying oil, global oil companies buy from ANY SOURCE available. They have no ideology except PROFIT! The impact on humanity is ignored.
When he invaded Kuwait, the ME begged USA to help. EU wanted USA to protect their oil supply. (USA OIL COMES FROM S. America)
Saddam was so convinced USA would not act, due to the PC failure in Vietnam, that he defied the world, giving the middle finger to the world.
A miscalculation that cost him his regime and life.
The biggest mistake USA made, was banning all BATH party members from civil service. Every supervisor of every public service was a member of Bath by necessity. When they left, all the knowledge of keeping water and power working went with them.
The second mistake was not trusting Iraqies to run their own country. USA brought in outside people to run the place, thus turning our support into opposition.
Flying Junior Added Apr 7, 2018 - 2:49am
Stone-Eater Added Apr 7, 2018 - 3:19am
A demented Swiss, who uses his Swiss welfare money from an African wife with AIDS, to support people in Africa,
Sure. And I've got 3 legs, by the way.
EXPAT Added Apr 7, 2018 - 3:42am

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Apr 7, 2018 - 3:19am

A demented Swiss, who uses his Swiss welfare money from an African wife with AIDS, to support people in Africa,
Sure. And I've got 3 legs, by the way.
EXPAT Added Apr 7, 2018 - 3:55am
If it wasn't true, you would say so.
I wouldn't say these things if not for the stupidity of a Swiss who loves to comment on America, Telling an American he should not comment on his homeland, because he is living in Thailand.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 7, 2018 - 4:30am
Of course it's not true. I mean what kind of response do you expect ? The thing is not that you comment on your homeland, but the WAY you do it - hailing its "superiority" which automatically diminishes everyone else. I call that arrogance. That's what I don't like. Not the fact that you comment.
Spartacus Added Apr 7, 2018 - 5:46am
For all you cucks that are anti-war, oddly, you sure do like to saber-rattle.  I have never read so much shit in my life.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:21am
re "
War has always seen innocents get slaughtered, but they were never the targets. If troops were in a town, the town got destroyed. But we had rules of war, documented by the Geneva convention. After the war, those who violated the rules of humanity, were made to pay."
Only the Germans followed the decency conventions. Examples are (1) Non usage of DU which they had (2) Civil treatment of American war prisoners (3) Allowing the Red Cross inspections. The Allies, Bolsheviks and USA did not follow any convention. The Bolsheviks invaded from the East, raping young and old women in cases hundreds of times, the American fenced in and surrounded German citizens and watched them die of thirst after the war (2 million). The German treatment of Americans in war camps does not add up with the holocaust.
Americans regularly use DU ammunition in their UN/banker "police actions"
There are no real rules in war, the Germans were a highly ethical society and created the best expressions of the common law ever created.
The Geneva convention is just a thing to make war more paletable for the general public. Americans currently do not rape and pillage, but Bolsheviks had no limits and America is being Bolshevized through materialism.
re " Israeli children on school busses or in Pizza parlors were targets. And somehow the left who claimed to speak for the downtrodden, accepted the slaughter of innocents as legitimate means to an end."
Its important to remember that Israel does permit the rape, torture, whatever of foreigners on their soil, at war or not. Young women from around the world were bought and sold in Israel as slaves or prostitutes lawfully until 2006 when they made it illegal due to international pressure. But they wouldn't lie to the international community about human rights abuses 8-)
Alton Wroten Added Apr 7, 2018 - 8:50am
 Warfare is but one survival instinct. The survival of the species first, then whatever segment we belong to next, is what drives every life form on Earth. Is human warfare extreme in scale? Sure, compared to other animals. Our survival and unrivaled dominance as a species is extreme, our accomplishments are extreme, as are our problems. We are the extreme end of evolutionary success, nobody has ever done it better, and we are the end result of every winner we've produced.
  Survival for early man was dependent on coming out on top against everything an entire planet could throw at slow animals with small teeth who gave birth to our young in a state of long term helplessness. That breeds warriors, plain and simple. However, a higher percentage of the world's population enjoys peace than ever before. Fewer people starve to death (per capita) than ever before, and our average lifespan has nearly tripled. We aren't a lost cause, this is our Golden Age. There will always be barbarians, and they will be dealt with in one way if victory is the goal. And there are a lot fewer barbarians today than 1000 years ago. We'll be fine, as a species.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 7, 2018 - 8:57am
And there are a lot fewer barbarians today than 1000 years ago. 
Then again there are a lot more nuclear weapons today than 1000 years ago. 
Alton Wroten Added Apr 7, 2018 - 9:01am
 And yet we have thousands of times more people. In 63 years we went from the first powered flight to walking on the moon. I have faith in us as a species. There are some individuals I wonder about, though. LOL
Doug Plumb Added Apr 7, 2018 - 12:03pm
  Maybe we have reached the epitome of comfort and although this is the only goal a controlled population of slaves can be lead toward, it represents an ultimate end to things as determined by the PTB.
  Comfort kills and corrupts.

Dino Manalis Added Apr 7, 2018 - 12:33pm
Some still possess humanity, it's a matter of nurturing it!
Doug Plumb Added Apr 7, 2018 - 12:42pm
Humanity is best regulated and governed by reason, not emotion.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 7, 2018 - 1:15pm
Problem is that emotion rules over reason....
Katharine Otto Added Apr 7, 2018 - 2:18pm
Innocent people always get killed in acts of war, and 9/11 was an act of war.  Some of us believe it was an inside job and others don't, but I believe most would agree it was an act of war.   And, I'm maybe the first to say it was an act of war against New York's financial empire, not the US as a whole.  The innocent people were "collateral damage," to use a standard military term.
War has never been humane, and history began long before the Geneva convention.  At least you can't kill people over the internet (so far), and it facilitates communication by regular people around the world.  Maybe through international communication and safe airing of differences (and similarities) we can evolve beyond the perceived need for war.  
Stone-Eater Added Apr 7, 2018 - 2:37pm
I'm maybe the first to say it was an act of war against New York's financial empire, not the US as a whole
Very well said. It's a result of a 70-year-old foreign policy, beginning 1953 in the Middle East.
EXPAT Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:27pm
Plumb. Do you have any documentation for this, other than Neo Nazi sites? Israel, has the most human rights protections of any state in the Middle East!
re " Israeli children on school busses or in Pizza parlors were targets. And somehow the left who claimed to speak for the downtrodden, accepted the slaughter of innocents as legitimate means to an end."
Its important to remember that Israel does permit the rape, torture, whatever of foreigners on their soil, at war or not. Young women from around the world were bought and sold in Israel as slaves or prostitutes lawfully until 2006 when they made it illegal due to international pressure. But they wouldn't lie to the international community about human rights abuses 8-)
EXPAT Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:34pm
Alton Wroten. You make a case for defense, but most wars are due to Aggression. And are instituted for GAIN! Gain of what others have, land, gold, minerals, spices, etc.
EXPAT Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:39pm
Good thinking Tu Phat. Anything that conflicts with your chosen Google/Facebook world must be rejected without consideration! I would refer you to my article on why I live in Thailand, but I wouldn't want to keep you up at night!
EXPAT Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:46pm
Dino. Some still possess humanity, it's a matter of nurturing it! 
There are not enough Humanitarians left to nurture. You should know that from your avid reading of WB!!!!!!!!
EXPAT Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:49pm
KO. 9-11 was an act of war? This is why I wrote the article! But it was wasted on you!
Alton Wroten Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:51pm
XPAT> All wars were started by one side or the other. The process gains enrichment for the victor. It's survival of the fittest writ large. Just about everything we do is towards that end goal. The problem is the radiation levels from our Sun. It isn't enough to prevent life, but it mutates fast. The instincts that kept us going as a species 100,000 years ago are still fairly fresh in our DNA, and provide for survival from the only real threat we face-each other.
EXPAT Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:51pm
Wasted on you and Stone-Eater. How sad!
EXPAT Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:57pm
 More than 90 countries lost citizens in the attacks,[9] including the United Kingdom (67 deaths), the Dominican Republic (47 deaths), and India (41 deaths).
Alton Wroten Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:58pm
I didn't say it was Utopian, just that it exists. It's also responsible for mankind's great achievements. The drive to improve one's lot in life helps insure their genetic line continues because winners breed. Those who can't cut it at the table with the Big Boys run off and hide someplace quiet, where they can convince themselves they're superior, without lots of annoying evidence to the contrary.
Katharine Otto Added Apr 7, 2018 - 10:42pm
I don't understand your reply to me.  What was wasted?  Are you saying 9/11 wasn't an act of war?  Are you suggesting innocent people are more dead if they weren't active participants?  
I guess if the article was wasted on me, you're not writing very clearly.
EXPAT Added Apr 8, 2018 - 12:12am
KO. I wrote of man's increasing inhumanity, and acceptance of mass murder of innocents, and you call it WAR. Proving how inhumane you have become. And Stone seconds it!
The article was wasted on you, because you are not THINKING about the innocent people who just went to work. I can find no words that would cause you and Stone to reason.
EXPAT Added Apr 8, 2018 - 12:15am

Alton Wroten Added Apr 7, 2018 - 6:51pm

XPAT> All wars were started by one side or the other.
Flying Junior Added Apr 8, 2018 - 2:17am
And, I'm maybe the first to say it was an act of war against New York's financial empire, not the US as a whole.
And hopefully the last person to ever say that.  I think that you have accurately personified exactly what EXPAT was condemning.  I guess you got a high-five from Stone.  Not me.
Anyone who has a problem with the Empire State has a very real problem with me.  As far as the United States as a whole.  It's going to take stronger voices to again reunite our country.  I was in New York City in early September of 2002.  I know how loving Americans feel about each other.
EXPAT Added Apr 8, 2018 - 3:59am
Flying Junior. Spot on comment! I never thought I would say this, but we are in accord on this one. If we do not return to respecting human life, the atrocity's of history are sure to return.
EXPAT Added Apr 8, 2018 - 4:11am
P.S. We may disagree on the best method to protect humanity from the slaughter; I: Peace through Strength, You: Peace by respecting all people; but when non combatants are vilified, and their murder justified as furthering a goal, or a legitimate act of WAR, we have crossed the line of humanity as the Nazi's did. It also proves that all people are capable of this, not just Germans, and we must guard against the monster within.
Cynthia Rouse Added Apr 8, 2018 - 9:23am
The Deep State is the MI Complex Eisenhower warned about. Research Project Paperclip, which came out of the OSS.
'Follow the Missing Paperclip Orphans
Said the Noc A Fella Shuffle
Then Follow The Missing Trillions
To a Place Called Manchuria....'
Dave Volek Added Apr 8, 2018 - 10:01am
When I first read this piece, I thought it wandered too much to get to whatever point EXPAT really wanted to make. While the piece is good at pointing things that are wrong (which is easy), it lacked possible solutions (not so easy). Add in the attacks on certain WB contributors, I decided not to say anything.
But there were sure lots of interesting comments. I'll just add my two bits here. 
At the risk of sounding superior, western nations have taken on a paternalistic role in trying to guide other nations to a "better way." And unfortunately that outward guidance was often coupled with some less than altruistic intentions. When these intentions get exposed, whatever goodness of the efforts becomes less effective. Western democracy is not so pure. 
In an ideal world of many peoples' minds, we should just be concerned within our own borders. What goes on in other countries should not matter. For example, I try not to get too involved in family dynamics of my neighbors. Why should countries be any different? Yet try as we might to attain this station on an international scale, we keep getting dragged in. I can't explain it, but I don't think we can wish for this "ideal" world and it will somehow happen.
When reacting to these international incidents, I see our political leaders having two basic choices. They can speak softly and hope that, in time, the affected countries will be slowly influenced to a better way. Or they can speak strongly hoping that the affected countries recognize that they are crossing a boundary and need to step back. Both approaches have their advantages and disadvantages. Neither approach is a solution by itself. But trying to figure which approach works best in which situation---I will just say that I feel sorry for political leaders trying to make the right decisions here. I certainly could do no better.
I will just close that we still don't have the right tools in place to make those decisions in the right way. 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 8, 2018 - 11:04am
Thanks for that thoughtful comment.
EXPAT Added Apr 8, 2018 - 6:14pm
You are the first to comment the article was not direct. In fact the opposite was posted by wascum15. There were no attacks on WB contributors. Some of their musings were used as examples, but no names were mentioned. In your writings, you do seem to relish Identity Politics, as is the custom of Democraps.
Pointing out what is wrong, is not easy, it is the first step in reasoning. Unless you elude to the mindless criticism of the left. Yes, I use political terms because you think in political terms. Yes. Comments do enhance an article.
At the risk of sounding superior, western nations have taken on a paternalistic role in trying to guide other nations to a "better way."
I do not see it as paternalistic, to demand the end of the slaughter of innocents, or selling minority women into slavery. But then again it goes back to that point of view , you find nebulous.
When reacting to these international incidents, I see our political leaders having two basic choices”
Of course you do! Your world is black and white, right or wrong, us or them, liberal or fascist.
Complex issues are reduced to 2 choices by you to avoid the difficult task of reason. , which is a great part of the loss of humanity, I wrote about!
But Stone-Eater is in full agreement with you! Food for thought!
EXPAT Added Apr 8, 2018 - 6:18pm
Cynthia. Yes, life is difficult to understand, using the terms of the past!
EXPAT Added Apr 8, 2018 - 9:32pm
WASHINGTON — President Trump on Sunday promised a “big price” to be paid for what he said was a chemical weapons attack that choked dozens of Syrians to death the day before, and a top White House official said the administration would not rule out a missile strike to retaliate against the government of President Bashar al-Assad.
In a tweet, Mr. Trump laid the blame for the attack partly on President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, the first time since his election that he has criticized the Russian leader by name on Twitter. Mr. Putin’s forces have been fighting for years to keep the Assad government in power amid Syria’s brutal civil war.
Mr. Trump also left no doubt that he believed the assessment of aid groups that Mr. Assad’s military had used chemical weapons to inflict the carnage on Saturday in Douma, a rebel-held suburb of Damascus. The attack left at least 42 people dead in their homes from apparent suffocation and sent many others to clinics with burning eyes and breathing problems.
“Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria,” Mr. Trump wrote. “President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad.”
EXPAT Added Apr 8, 2018 - 9:47pm
Stone- Eater provided me with a perfect example of te depravity and inhumanity, I wrote this article to draw attention to. 42 people who are doing nothing but survive are gassed to death, and what concerns Stone?
No, it's the American president. The guy who has the most power in the world but apparently never went to school to learn diplomatic behavior. From now on I start to use the same language. Women are mattresses for having a good time, niggers can't be seen at night, please whiten up, and the damn Chinese slit eyes don't see further than an inch anyway. How dare I ? Easy.
His concern is for Political Correctness, while not even mentioning the slaughter Assad inflicted with the backing of Russia and Iran. That is the level of depravity that he and the others I mention have sunk to. Correct language is more important to him than 42 human lives.
I take no solace in Stone supplying an example of his inhumanity; I am sad for the depletion of Civility and Humanity these sicko's have achieved.
He got 3 likes for this piece of shit! 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 9, 2018 - 4:01am
You don't understand and mix things as you like...
EXPAT Added Apr 9, 2018 - 6:06am
Yea, you're right Stone. I will never understand you and your ilk. To whine about how Africa is treated and the poverty people live under, then pretend the horror perpetrated in Syria, by Iran and Russia, is fake, is so delusional as to be beyond my comprehension.
Mixing things as you like is also called Reasoning and logic. You avoid this with your ideology that only allows that which you imagine pass through to your comprehension level.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 9, 2018 - 7:00am
There is no difference. The ones are poor due to corruption and exploitation by the West, the others are poor due to wars orchestrated by the West. And BOTH are founded on greed and profit.
by Iran and Russia
See that's the problem. You accuse without knowing exactly but by repeating mass media only. Differentiate. But let's leave it at that.
Gerrilea Added Apr 9, 2018 - 8:12am
EXPAT-- You say the 5000 WMD's found in Iraq rationalize your "making the world better", really?  WHERE DID THEY COME FROM AGAIN?
The USA.
If we use your same logic, then anyone stronger than us should destroy our stockpiles of WMD's, correct?
What does Pearl Harbor have to do with this? 
Are you denying that we've killed almost 30 million people SINCE WWII?  Under the guise of "bringing democracy"?
Do you deny that our actions have precipitated "blow back", world over?
Here, understand what most of us already know.
What You Didn't Know About The War
Steve Bull Added Apr 9, 2018 - 9:59am
Not sure why you've shared the NY Times article on the chemical attack in Syria. 
While the mainstream, corporate media and various members of the political class of the West have come out strongly against the Syrian government as the perpetrators of this latest tragedy, it seems to me this is a prime example of a false flag attack to justify/rationalise further intrusions/interventions in a sovereign nation. It comes on the heels of Trump's declaration that the US would be pulling out of Syria (something US warmongers/neocons and certain allies are certainly against); it serves the Syrian government no purpose whatsoever--in fact, quite the opposite in that it gives 'reason' for expanded Western interventions; provided 'justification' for Israel's morning bombing; gives more fodder to France's latest warmongering about entering the fray; etc., etc..
This seems very much to be the work of so-called Syrian rebels (who are little more than a proxy army for others interested in controlling resources--especially oil--and land--especially that which will provide a means of putting a oil/gas pipeline from Qatar towards Europe) in Syria. 
Using civilian casualties in false flag attacks to justify/rationalise military interventions has a long history. Be it the West or the East. In this case, it serves the purposes of the West far more than any other party.
Dave Volek Added Apr 9, 2018 - 3:44pm
Thanks Stone
It seems someone read my comment and understood what I was trying to say.
EXPAT Added Apr 9, 2018 - 7:10pm
Stone-Eater, Gerellia, Steve Bull, and Dave Volek.
I am not interested in debating your delusion. It is a waste of time. You have your own mental world, and are incapable of evaluating any evidence that conflicts. The NYT, has printed false information before, but they are only one of dozens of sources from around the world, who are covering this. I have posted multiple sources in the past, but it always is dismissed as Western Lies, so why bother.
The article I wrote is  about the level of inhumanity that you ideologues have sunken to, and Stone provided a perfect example. 42 or more dead, USA and Russia on the brink of a new Vietnam Conflict, and he is concerned about Trumps etiquette! ANYONE WHO KILLS 42 INNOCENT PEOPLE IS A FUCKING ANIMAL.
And any deluded Swiss, Brit, Aussie or Canadian who supports that action, shares the label. When you lose your humanity, you are nothing more than a two legged animal.
Steve Bull Added Apr 9, 2018 - 8:05pm
We all believe what we wish to believe. And none of us have condoned the atrocities committed during war (or any other time). I believe most of us have lost faith in our ruling elite so don't trust them; I certainly don't. So, when they tell me the Syrian government is responsible for a chemical attack that killed innocent civilians, I am not likely to believe them. They lie for a living and this time is no different. 
Gerrilea Added Apr 10, 2018 - 1:12am
Expat, review Steve's statement above, I agree 100% and I'd add this: They could tell me the sky is blue today and I'd have to open my door and look for myself.  They only have themselves to blame for this.
Now you claim to have morals?  You joined the military to put money into your bank account, your words.  You joined an elite group that trains you to kill, by any means necessary.
You traded lives for money, whether or not you personally killed someone.  You made it possible for others to be executed.  BE CLEAR, I DO NOT PLACE BLAME ON YOU ALONE....We The People, paid you to do it....and we are just as guilty.
Today, we are on the brink of WWII.  This time it won't be the stick and stones used in all previous wars man has engaged in.  The continental US has only been invaded once, by the British.  When your family is wiped off the face of the planet, whether you live in Florida, Nevada, New York or Kansas...dead is still dead.  There will be no one left to bury the remains, for at least 4 Billion Years. 
Then tell me if the relativistic morality you so desperately cling to means anything. This isn't a game, billions will die.  Will it matter that 42 people died beforehand?
EXPAT Added Apr 10, 2018 - 4:26am
Steve Bull.
When you place belief, political ideology, argumentation, above Human life you are excusing atrocity. Condoning is not much different! Whether or not you assign the role of leader to people you do not trust, is your fault. I trust no one! I verify what they say, and search for alternatives. I really don't give a shit what you believe, unless you try to force me to accept it as fact! But that is not the issue here.
Stone ignored the 42 women and children murdered, 200 injured, and decided the paramount issue her is Trump calling Putin an animal.
The article I wrote was about how many have lost their humanity, and put issues before life. THE WORLD is investigating who is responsible for the gassing. You will know, when the bombs start falling. Whether you believe it or not, is insignificant.
Gurrilea. What you believe is of no import, as you are insignificant to world events.
Everyone has morals, and they are deteriorating in a growing portion of the world population, which is the subject of my article. But As seems to be your style, you are all wrong about me!
I was a civilian Contractor, working for the Military Corps of Engineers. I tried to restore the power Grid we destroyed in Iraq. I have worked all over the world BUILDING airports, rail systems, electrical power grids and Cities. My last contract was the Australasia Islands in Dubai, UAE. The fact that you question the significance of 42 lives, tells me all I have to know about you!
But you can relax. World Wars are a thing of the past. But small Vietnam's or Korea's are sure to follow.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 10, 2018 - 6:32am
he is concerned about Trumps etiquette! ANYONE WHO KILLS 42 INNOCENT PEOPLE IS A FUCKING ANIMAL.
And any deluded Swiss, Brit, Aussie or Canadian who supports that action, shares the label. When you lose your humanity, you are nothing more than a two legged animal.
Wow. 42 fake (?) deaths compared to maybe millions of dead more by a major war. How can I be so inhuman to care less for 42 people than for millions of innocents LOL
Stone-Eater Added Apr 10, 2018 - 6:38am
BTW Expat 
Do you know what a provocation is and where it can lead to ? Today maybe Assad (not Putin....) is called an animal, and Trump has a loud mouth because Assad is a SMALL case. But when he starts to do the same with Putin, it may look differently.
But that's what your lovely "democracy bringers" want. Bomb the planet to ashes (as long as US mainland is not touched, all ok. Same as it ever was in US wars abroad).
And you talk of morals. Please get real.
Gerrilea Added Apr 10, 2018 - 9:52am
Expat--  So, you work for a private, for-profit outfit that uses my money to clean up the mess our bombs created.  Oh, how noble of you.
You then go on to equate "might with right" and you claim my morality is immaterial. Your pseudo-intellectual rationalizations ARE how we got into this mess in the first place.
I assume you are familiar with The Reichstag fire We get our modern phrase, "false flag" from this event.
Be the useful idiot that you appear to be OR educate yourself on the ways of the world BEFORE our machinations destroy it all.
42 Admitted False Flag Attacks
Amerika is not the moral leader it claims to be and it never was. 
"Hi, I'm here with the government, and I'm here to kill you for your own good!"
Stone-Eater Added Apr 10, 2018 - 12:13pm
The people who cry most about morals are the biggest hypocrites. Period.
EXPAT Added Apr 10, 2018 - 12:29pm
Wow. 42 fake (?) deaths compared to maybe millions of dead more by a major war. How can I be so inhuman to care less for 42 people than for millions of innocents LOL
The people who cry most about morals are the biggest hypocrites. Period.
I once mistakenly thought you cared about people, because of what you tried to do in Africa. But you callously write off 42 deaths, and several hundred injuries, as being insignificant.
Yes, you are the biggest hypocrite.
I now see, that your own inability to grow and prosper in the society you were born in, is the motivation for your exploitation of African poverty.
EXPAT Added Apr 10, 2018 - 12:35pm
In Switzerland you are nothing.
In Africa, you are the white guy who promises to bring us money. Lets be nice to him!
 Why did your family, kick your ass out of Cameroon? Because you did nothing you promised?
EXPAT Added Apr 10, 2018 - 12:40pm
Did either of you see the pictures of the children being treated for gas effects?  International Aid workers posted them. Those false Flags are suffering, while you claim they don't exist, from your Lazy Boy!
Keep watching the sky Putin, the AMERICANS are coming!
EXPAT Added Apr 10, 2018 - 12:43pm
Gerrilia. Political Ideology destroys morality. You have been destroyed as a human being, by Ideology.
Tamara Wilhite Added Apr 10, 2018 - 7:08pm
It is often the result of equating words with violence, hurting one's feelings with actual violence.
Islam takes this view. To criticize the ideology is equated with a physical attack on all believers. When you attempt mass murder, it is thus fair to kill you. This is how Muslims justify executing atheists, critics of the faith and those who simply defend their non-Muslim belief system.
Liberals are using the same logic to implement their own secular atheist laws. And they have the same intent, that people are too afraid for their literal safety to ever voice a dissenting view.
That is why violent liberal mobs attack people on college campuses and political events while claiming their the victims, how dare those conservatives hurt them with their contrary opinions.
It is how liberal bullies can send death threats and rape threats to those who have contrary opinions or even share "hate facts" that contradict liberal narratives.
To contradict the sacred narrative is a sin worthy of death. To liberals, equating words with violence and having the threat of literal violence against those who disagree is for the emotional and spiritual safety of all.
Tamara Wilhite Added Apr 10, 2018 - 7:09pm
They're bringing back heresy, witch hunts, shaming and shunning of those guilty of thought crimes and death to the unbeliever ... because liberal bullies have invested religious levels of emotion into their political ideology.
EXPAT Added Apr 10, 2018 - 9:22pm
Tamara Wilhite. Good explanation of  Islam/Liberal thinking.
My disgust with this Western adoption of Muslim inhumanity, makes me want to become just as inhuman as they are.
I fight to hold on to my humanity. That is what is so insidious about the slaughter of innocents. It becomes an answer to the inner turmoil when Ideology clashes with reality. The America hating, Islam loving animals that inhabit WB, blame Jews,  The government, conspiracy, and wealth for their miserable life.
There is no way to stop this. No magic cure, no super Democrap candidate no system or ideology to cure this mental illness. The only outcome, can be the end of public demonstrations, the licensing of media, tracking of ALL people and increased policing!
Tamara Wilhite Added Apr 10, 2018 - 9:57pm
I'm more concerned with the misplaced compassion that says we'll ignore Muslim rape gangs, the poor babies don't know better, let's ignore the thousands of girls raped from Rotherham to Telford to Oxfordshire ... and smaller cases here in the U.S. covered up for the same reason.
Women's most basic rights, safety, are being undermined due to compassion for the criminals and incompatible culture.
Instead, you get general blaming of ALL men to the benefit of the fourth wave feminist political agenda. Or the self-serving elitist cries of "Me Too" to take men down from the C-suite and leadership positions those women want to fill, but don't give a damn about female genital mutilation, rape, honor killings even when they happen in the West.
That's why the FGM case in Michigan is not discussed but guys wolf-whistling or asking a girl out repeatedly is equated with evil.
All because liberals infantilize and empathize with the wrong people, then base political policy on their emotions.
Proof that good intentions truly enable evil.
EXPAT Added Apr 11, 2018 - 12:08am
Spot on Tamara!
Gerrilea Added Apr 11, 2018 - 12:41am
Expat--- really now, you create a strawman and argue against it.  Where did I ever say that 42 lives were meaningless?  Where did I say the 3000 lives lost in NYC on 9-11 were meaningless? I said we did it to ourselves, like shooting yourself in the foot.  The blood-letting started with our interference in other people's business.  Overthrowing democratically elected governments, installing dictators we could control and they went on to kill millions, with our weapons and military support.
Now somehow I'm lost in ideology?  Who you zooming?
Clearly you are lost in dogma.  Had you read any of the links presented you'd understand that our government is the terrorist.
EXPAT Added Apr 11, 2018 - 4:46am
Gerrilea. Enough of your nonsensical drivel. I will delete anything else you post that says Lives are less important than ideology.
Where did I say the 3000 lives lost in NYC on 9-11 were meaningless? I said we did it to ourselves, like shooting yourself in the foot.
Who is the we? The people I knew at Twin Towers were just earning a living. Only a demented fool, would say they asked to die. You just repeat the same brainless screed that ideology TRUMPS the right to life!
Pardero Added Apr 11, 2018 - 10:08pm
Must see video.
Syrian child crisis actors, sponsored by terrorists. Looks like you got chumped by some Arab terrorists.
Pardero Added Apr 11, 2018 - 10:09pm
No bodies have been found from this latest fake attack. Fact.
EXPAT Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:29am
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EXPAT Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:58am
There are 40-50 pictures on the independent sight: duckduckgo.
NOTHING on GOOGLE! Does that tell you something about the media!
EXPAT Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:01am
Fact. Russia tried to cover this up, but failed.
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:51am
Expat--- Spoken like a true demagogue:
It warms my heart that you care sooo much getting others to see the light.
EXPAT Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:48am
Gerrilea. Isn't that why we all are here? Do you not understand the term demagogue? Thank you for the complement. I am a political leader!
Pardaro, like you is blinded by his ideology. I merely pointed him to that he said, did not exist. I really don't expect him, or you for that matter, to ever see the light of truth!


noun: demagogue; plural noun: demagogues

a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument.

rabble-rouser, agitator, political agitator, soapbox orator, firebrand,fomenter,provocateur

"he was drawn into a circle of campus demagogues"

(in ancient Greece and Rome) a leader or orator who espoused the cause of the common people.

Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:19am
What you write is bullshit, and you know it. I'm sorry to say that but you're an asshole. You accuse people of things which are outright lies. I advise you to go to Cameroon and repeat that bullshit to my family, and I assure you that you won't get back to Thailand the same way you arrived. Fuck you.
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:11pm
Expat-- Did you read the entire definition, seriously?  Maybe you missed this part:
     "...a political leader who seeks support by appealing to popular desires and prejudices rather than by using rational argument..."
But since you used the "google definition", how about we go with the official definition as listed in the Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

-->> 1 : a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and promises in order to gain power.

Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:13pm
Hugs and are giving me too much entertainment, Mr. Expat...
EXPAT Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:16pm
Stone and Gerrilea. I have challenged your delusions, and invited your rancor. To inspire childish retorts and scurrilous responses, means I have made a crack in the wall your Morton's Demon has erected to reason.
That may just be the beginning of you living in the real world.
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:58pm
Expat, please do not imbue yourself with magical powers you do not possess.
"...I have made a crack in the wall your Morton's Demon has erected..."
It's pretty simple, really.  You've created an alternate reality where war is good and bringing "retribution" down upon innocents is for their own good because it punishes the bad guy(s).
EXPAT Added Apr 13, 2018 - 1:15am
Gurrilea. Taking statements out of context with the purpose of changing the meaning is lying to support a point! The statement was:
"To inspire childish retorts and scurrilous responses, means I have made a crack in the wall your Morton's Demon has erected to reason."
Your delusion is founded in transference. You think the slaughter of innocents is justifiable, so I must think war is good, if I want to confront it!
In fact, I want to stop all wars and aggression, by USA being so strong that none of the miscreants would dare to attack innocents!
Your view of life, really is pathetic. You could not be a productive member of any organization.
Have you ever had any responsibility in any job? I doubt it!
Flying Junior Added Apr 13, 2018 - 3:05am
You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
You will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
For this people’s heart has become calloused;
They hardly hear with their ears,
And they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
Hear with their ears,
Understand with their hearts and turn;
And I would heal them.
Isaiah Six
EXPAT Added Apr 13, 2018 - 6:00am
FJ.It would seem Isaiah saw what I see. But he was a better writer than I am. Inhumanity has always been a problem. I saw a quote this morning. A single life is more valuable than the world. It was from a Christian group here in Thailand. I am still trying to comprehend the meaning. It reminds me of the Talmud saying, "He who saves a single life, saves the world entire."
It would seem that Christianity and Judaism are concerned with a single life while Islam will sacrifice hundreds to promote Allah. 
EXPAT Added Apr 13, 2018 - 6:01am
One GOD verses one person.
Gerrilea Added Apr 13, 2018 - 8:05am
Expat-- Now we get to the crux of your position, boy that took a while. Whew...  One life is more valuable than the entire world, to paraphrase.
Oddly, that position mirrors our unalienable rights, here in the US,  rights that each individual is born with and why our government was created: to protect said.  And I was taught our government wasn't based on Christianity.  Obviously, it was and you'd have to agree.
That said, my professional accomplishments & personal failures are immaterial. I will state for the record, I managed, at the height of my career,  3 separate businesses locations with a staff of 180 employees and sales over $90 million each year.  Surely you'd agree that "Yes, I get along well with others".
Onto the issue at hand, when balancing all life on this planet over a handful of individuals, we must consider consequences.  In real terms our nation, the United States, can with the push of a button, destroy all life, everywhere, 5 times over.  I hold the opinion that no nation should have that power.  Man is too immature for said responsibility.  And nations are governed by men, are they not?
If you could present evidence that the events in the Middle East are real & valid and caused by one man and his nation.  There are alternatives. Indiscriminate bombing of a sovereign Nation where thousands of INDIVIDUAL innocents will be executed is morally incompatible with the faith you identified as Christianity.
So far, you've given no evidence or facts, just opinion...It's a good thing you control nothing of value or you'd have destroyed all life on this planet already.
Your rationalization was: "You'll know who's guilty once the bombs start flying".
Steve Bull Added Apr 13, 2018 - 12:20pm
Steve Bull Added Apr 13, 2018 - 12:25pm
Sorry, clumsy of me to use the word 'proof', I meant evidence. I should know better...
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 12:42pm
I appreciate that you care about the innocents that are getting hurt. 
We differ on who is to blame. 
Steve Bull has offered some convincing evidence. 
Thankfully, Trump held off or more innocents would have died.
Syria was a peaceful country and popular tourist destination for many years. Terrorists show up and gas and chemical attacks begin. 
Gerrilea Added Apr 13, 2018 - 2:42pm
Pardero-- And who hired, trained and armed those "white helmets/insurgents/Al Nursra" to destabilize and overthrow the duly elected government there?
The US government admits hiring and paying "rebels" in Syria  The ones that cut the head off a 12 yr old disabled boy.
Now the moral question that must be answered.  Do we go after the ones that paid for them to do it or just them???
Expat, maybe you could give us moral guidance here?  Whom would you rain down bombs upon? 
EXPAT Added Apr 14, 2018 - 11:59pm
Steve Bull. If you want me to believe that the UK bombed Syria with poison gas, forget it! The fact that you think you have proof, is only proof of your dementia!
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:10am
Gerrilia. USA has had the capability of destroying all life on earth 25 times over, since the 60" when I worked on the MX now Peacekeeper Missile.
The Soviet Union had the same ability, but only with missiles and a few bombers.
Our triad of Missiles, Submarines, and super Bombers, also known as MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction, has kept them from being used. As Russia has demonstrated, they have no compunction at slaughtering millions, if they think they could survive. They backed down in Cuba, because they knew they would be destroyed.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:19am
Pardaro. There is no question who is killing who! Technology not only tells what was used, but where it was made, and who was most likely, by motive and ability, to have used it. The Russian murders in Britain, and the gas attacks in Syria, are incontrovertible.
It is only your propaganda sites that you access from your Lazy Boy, that muddles your brain.
But it is of no consequence. A few lines of Bull Shit on WB affects nothing!
Thank GOD, we have a President who takes action, and is willing to protect those few who you and Gerrilia are willing to sacrifice to save your deluded world!
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:24am
I don't doubt your patriotism or your concern for innocents.
I still believe it was a false flag event.
Assad is not a nice man, but he is better than those Islamist terrorists.
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:27am
Everyone except EXPAT knows the White Helmets are sanitized Islamists.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:36am
Pardaro. I must agree with you on the decline of Syria. Back in the 70's when Hafez al Assad was in charge, and in the beginning when his son, Bashara took over, I went to school CSULB with many exchange students from Syria.
There were many Christians. They said, not only were Christians protected in Syria, the government paid for their education, on the promise they would return and lead the nation in business and education.
The story coming from the US Government was quite different, calling the Assad Government oppressive and Tyrannical.
I understand today, that they have become what they were accused of, because of close ties with Iraq, and when Saddam fell, they were seen as an easy target for ISIS , Al Queida, and Kurds.
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:48am
Hi Steve,
Your new name is Steve Bullshit.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:54am
Idiocy  Gerrilea.
Expat, maybe you could give us moral guidance here?  Whom would you rain down bombs upon? 
The last raining down of bombs I know of was the Democratic carpe3t bombing of the Ho Chi Min Trail in Cambodia.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:58am
What the hell are white helmets, and I will take the word of Frances President over yours anytime!
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:00am
I can't believe the insanity here on WB! Lazy Boy Google heads who analyze the world and know more than the Leaders of the free world!
Well, maybe not so free! I left to find freedom.
Steve Bull Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:28am
"...proof of your dementia!"
Your failure to address the points or evidence presented by others that counters your beliefs and stoop to name-calling is suggestive that you can't. Your use of this logical fallacy is quite irrelevant to the discussion at hand and I have found you have done this repeatedly with certain data points/counter-arguments of others. I've always found when a discussion turns to ad hominem attacks, it's time to bow out. We will have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 8:06pm
Steve Bull. I have addressed every point made. But pointless dementia cannot be addressed, as it only exists in the mind of the author. i.e. "Trump is an Orange Buffoon!"
Name calling is most of the comments on WB. i.e. I am having sex with children, because I live in Thailand. Or even more idiotic;
So, you work for a private, for-profit outfit that uses my money to clean up the mess our bombs created.  Oh, how noble of you.
The article was about how the slaughter of innocents has become acceptable as a Political method of getting attention. And how the LEFT has accepted it. This is a moral value, and I am SO glad we have a President who is waking the world to the fact it is not acceptable to USA, and when you act like animals, there is a price to pay! If USA had acted sooner, WWII could have been avoided, and reduced to local conflicts.

This fear of retaliation, Russia, North Korea, Terrorists, that has paralyzed the World into accepting inhumanity, in the name of humanity is OVER.

The USA is the ONLY Super power, and when we act like it, the rest of the world joins us. That is what leadership is all about!
Logical fallacy is an Oxymoron! Your delusional belief cannot tolerate evidence and arguments that challenge your belief. So you use transference to reverse the outcome, I am talking in general terms, you personally are not as bad as Gierrilia, or Stone, or Pardero, but you accept their arguments, because they feed your delusion.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 8:18pm

Steve Bull Added Apr 13, 2018 - 12:20pm

Here we go. target="_blank">Russia has irrefutable proof chemical 'attack' was staged with UK's assistance
How silly! Putin's adventurism is OVER. ISIS adventurism is over! North Korean adventurism is over, Iranian adventurism is over, the colonization of Europe under the guise of Refugee's is over.
Thanks to TRUMP, the world is waking to the FACT, that we must stand together for what we know is right; and get on with the business of making a better world.
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:03pm
To my knowledge, none of the people you listed like the Muslim colonization of Europe. The interventions and wars are directly and indirectly responsible.
I wish it was as you believe, but it is far more complex.
You mistakenly believe we are liberals. Only Stone-eater claims to be a "liberal."
Gerrilea Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:33pm
Expat-- Didn't you say upthread that we'd know who was guilty of the crimes you claimed once the bombs started falling?  YEP.
So, shouldn't those that actually created this mess in the first place be held accountable?
You're hypocrisy knows no limits!
Now, when confronted with the facts, you claim the French President's word is now gospel?
Wait didn't the Swiss just prove the nerve-agent used against that double agent was of US/British origins???
Your story is falling apart, along with your alleged moral outrage.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:46pm
Gerillia. You are babbling, and make no sense. The UN voted against Russian attempt to distort the issue, leaving only you as the delusional apologist for the slaughter of over 70 victims and over 500 injured. You are sick, mentally, to defend the slaughter of innocents.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:54pm
Pardaro. What the
"To my knowledge, none of the people you listed like the Muslim colonization of Europe."
delusional fools like , is of no consequence! Trump is leading, and Europe is following; as it should be.
The posting here is based on fake information propagated by those who would gain from suffering, in ME.
The people who know the real story, have done their thing. The US coalition has declared "No more." And the Russian coalition has said, OK. But blusters like they can stop Trump. NO WAY!
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:59pm
You know damned well that none of us supports any slaughter. You refuse to do the research that shows malevolent forces, besides the obvious ones that the MSM portrays.
"Making a better world"? You are purposely being obtuse. No one could be that naive.
You tout the French leader Micron? You must be sarcastic. He is a tool of the banksters, and is paid by the slippery Saudis. The French leaders are always prostitutes that go with the highest bidder.
Are you so gullible as to believe the MSM? 
EXPAT Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:05am
Pardero. I made a case for your inhumanity, and you and delusional left have time and again defended or minimized the slaughter of innocents. I will not go back and copy/paste yours and Gerillia's defense of despicable action.
You lie, because you cannot accept being wrong!
Pardero Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:13am
You are being ridiculous.
1. We are not leftists
2. Terrorists supported by Saudi Arabia or the CIA are the likely culprits
3. ISIS was Saudi funded and received weapons from the CIA.
4. The US did not have a problem with ISIS until they went off the reservation.
5. Syria would be another Libya if Assad was destroyed.
6. No rational entity could possibly wish to create another Libya. 
Gerrilea Added Apr 16, 2018 - 1:39am
Pardero-- He's just like Jeff Murka or is the same person, who really knows?
He has nothing to add to the public discourse we've had over the past few weeks...
I'm not wasting any more time on him.
Gerrilea Added Apr 16, 2018 - 2:30am
Pardero-- Okay...I'll throw this in for good measures. :-)
Syria: What Just Happened?
     "...So, although the treaty itself received U.N. approval,
     the recent Russian-sponsored resolution at the U.N.’s
     Security Council to have the U.N. endorse the OPCW’s
     investigation of the 7 April 2018 Douma incident, did
     not receive U.N. approval. It was instead
     blocked by the U.S. and its allies. Nonetheless, though
     without a U.N. endorsement, the OPCW investigation into
     the incident will move forward, despite the invasion...."
So, if the US was so sure of the facts "on the ground", why would they block the OPCW's investigation & fact-finding mission?
Surely, they're gonna find the evidence that the US claims is there, right?
We'll have to wait and see...more likely than not those investigators will be killed by some "coincidental" airplane crash or "random sniper fire".  I seriously doubt they'll get to their destination alive.
If the Syrians are guilty, they wouldn't want it found out AND if the US & it's allies are lying, they wouldn't want it found out either.
The only hope is the Russians will escort them around the country with their military, in clearly marked vehicles & flag.
EXPAT Added Apr 16, 2018 - 5:48am
Pardaro. Yes, I gave you too much credit. Leftists have an agenda. You are just demented!
Gerrilea.  Please do the world a favor, and stop posting demented shit. Some poor fool in Switzerland will read it and use it as evidence of his delusion.
France has the evidence! Russia is occupying the area, and there will be nothing left to investigate! But it matters not. Trump made his point!
EXPAT Added Apr 16, 2018 - 5:56am
So you've gone from a Fake attack, to The UK did it, to Saudi Arabia and CIA gassed the innocents. And you say I am being ridiculous? How are things in the Cuckoos nest?
Pardero Added Apr 16, 2018 - 9:17am
You are aware that is not exactly what I said.
The truth is not going to be delivered to you by MSM.
If you are comfortable in your cocoon, there is no point in making the effort to get the truth. The government can do your thinking for you. Gerrilea has provided valuable links, that you have failed to investigate.
Ignorance is bliss.
Gerrilea Added Apr 16, 2018 - 11:58am
Expat--- Oh pluease. You can delete any of my postings, the truth doesn't matter to you anyways.
EXPAT Added Apr 16, 2018 - 8:02pm
Valuable links to cartoon sights, that provide ludicrous conspiracy theories.
You left Lunatics will believe anything that is ANTI civilized world.
The question is how did you get this way? You sit in your Lazy Boy and search for ridiculous conspiracies from every delusional Communist, Islamist, Russian KGB propagandist, and nut job in the world! And then present it as proof of your delusion.
I am finished with both of you. You are beyond help!
Gerrilea Added Apr 17, 2018 - 12:09am
Here, American reporter Pearson Sharp & award-winning journalist Robert Fisk, got to Syrian city of Douma...NO CHEMICAL WEAPONS ATTACK!
Both British & US Reporters find no evidence of a chemical attack in Syria
So much for your false morality and bringing to justice innocents in other nations for something that didn't happen.
Pardero Added Apr 17, 2018 - 12:26am
He is trolling us, Gerrilea.
He is smug in his mistaken certitude.