After they get your guns they will go after your knives

Well it finally happened, in London where they disarmed their law abiding citizens, violent criminals are now so out of control that London without guns has more homicides than New York has with guns.  Apparently London's criminals didn't realize they were supposed to stop killing each other once the guns were gone, and moved on to knives.  London Mayor Sadiq Khan has announced a crackdown on knives in response to the rising homicide rate.  Per the mayor, "No excuses: there is never a reason to carry a knife. Anyone who does will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law."  Folks I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.

 

In Britain, its illegal to carry a knife longer than three inches in public "without good reason" punishable with up to four years in prison and an "unlimited fine."  Think about that, you need a "good reason" to bring a small kitchen knife to the park, and don't try to give them any BS about needing it to cut up that fruit you've got with you, they will see right through that.  Are they all insane?

 

I know they are just realizing there is no real link between homicidal criminals desire to kill, and gun laws, but I would think by now they would quit targeting the tools they use, especially when they are everyday items.  It's the homicidal people STUPID, not the tools they use.  Next are they going to outlaw baseball bats and shoe laces that they might be used for garrotes, after all no one needs shoe laces, velcro works just fine.

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Rusty Smith Added Apr 9, 2018 - 8:03pm
11 brave London Police get chased around by 1 guy with a knife, to the tune of Benny Hill:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmTNZfR4dNw
 
This really would be funny if it wasn't true.  I can't believe they disarmed their police to the point where they can't stand up against one guy with a gun.  
 
What if he was killing kids in a school?  I guess they would beg him to stop.  
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 9, 2018 - 9:37pm
What the socialist do not realize is that their is a direct inverse relationship between crime and blind justice, and discrimination.  Socialist believe in class based society with class determining political power, justice, economic rules, and  health care.  Class societies place barriers between classes so that people can not move up or down, a cast system.  Good article.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 9, 2018 - 10:51pm
Thomas Sutrina The message I took home is that the UK's big experiment to try and reduce homicides by taking away the guns has been a failure.  Instead they are proving where there is a will their will be away, criminals find ways to kill even if its's not with guns.
 
Very true, the worst crime is associated with poverty, and their homicidal tendencies don't change when laws are changed or their favorite tools for killing are taken away.  However they do get to say they guns kill very few people in their  country.  Not much consolation if murders without them is approaching record levels for that country.
James Travil Added Apr 10, 2018 - 2:25am
It truly is a damn shame the joke that the UK has become. They use to be the British Empire which the sun never sat upon. And back in the early 90's my (late) 1st wife and I visited, I remember carrying a 6 inch dagger openly and having no problems with the authorities. And now this? They have become a paranoid police state that exceeds that of the United States by far. A shell of their former stature. The United States has begun to venture down the same path, we must do all we can to prevent falling into the same totalitarian trap. 
EXPAT Added Apr 10, 2018 - 4:32am
 
France is also considering banning trucks during business hours.
As I said before,  Cain slew Able with a rock. Will rocks be banned next, after all, what reason to carry a rock?
EXPAT Added Apr 10, 2018 - 4:37am
P.S. Rusty. A group of tourists told me that most business owners in London have guns, illegal of course. They said that even the postman who must go into Arab neighborhoods carry guns. The sale of illegal guns  has grown incredibly. But the British Media will never report it!
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 10, 2018 - 8:34am
Rusty poverty is a secondary reason for homicide by gun or knife.  Stealing alleviates poverty not homicide.  Welfare and public housing, Rusty, by itself deals with poverty.  How it is administered by government effect fairness.  FDR in America created ghettos, and I know that ghettos have been created in Europe.  In both cases they use race or religion as a distinguishing attribute of the ghettos.  Rusty, not an accident.  Welfare pay a premium for not marrying and kicking the father out of the household.  Thus Rusty boys loose a male roll model to teach them how to be a responsible man.  Gangs replaced fathers and they teach crime and using homicide to defend the honor of the gang.   Add the barriers to leaving the ghetto, education, lack of jobs, and less health care and shopping choices also created by social classes and class barriers. 
Rusty Smith Added Apr 10, 2018 - 9:50am
James Travil I have relatives over there think they have done this to themselves with their own attitudes and policies.  They think they are better people than most of the rest of us because they are so generous, and they did embrace wave after wave of indigent immigrants which was real nice of them but a disaster. 
 
Like every country they have always had a poor class but it wasn't huge and even they grew up with UK values.  Now they have imported huge populations of immigrants whose cultural values are nothing like their own, and they have few skills they can market in a non aquarian society.  They see wealth they can't earn every day and react to common problems like domestic issues with violence because that's the way things are done in their culture, and the people in the UK are horrified because they are different.  Now their immigrants hate their hosts and have become a most unwelcome guest the UK can't tell to go home.
 
The US has been doing the same thing, they are just a few years behind on the curve.  All great civilizations eventually give away the values and traits that made them great, and then decline, why would the UK, or US be any different?
Rusty Smith Added Apr 10, 2018 - 9:56am
EXPAT the worse the violence gets the more people I expect will be willing to buy an illegal gun to defend themselves, especially if their own physical stature is not imposing.  The more they disarm the public the more criminals will find it safe and easy to victimize women, small men, and old people, and that's where they will go.  No criminal wants to risk a physical fight they can't win.
 
The smaller and older people in the UK are going to have to start fortifying their houses and stop doing foolish things like doing business in bad neighborhoods and driving late at night, so they can once again be safe.  
Rusty Smith Added Apr 10, 2018 - 10:02am
Thomas Sutrina I'd make one huge change in what you said, I'd remove all references to the tools used by violent people.  In the end we're going to find out that its the violent people who are homicidal and no anti weapon laws, and no scarcity of the weapons they prefer will stop their homicides.  
 
Your speculation about how to change the culture that tends to make them homicidal is in the right direction, your theory may or may not be right, but at least you're focusing on the problem and not a symptom.
 
People who commit suicide with rat poison can't be stopped by banning rat poison, they will move on to other thing if it's not available.  The same applies to criminals, the tools they use are whatever is most convenient, what they have in common is not the tool, it's the desire to commit crimes.
Dino Manalis Added Apr 10, 2018 - 12:41pm
Policymakers should use their brains, if they have one, you could stab somebody with a pen!  Crazy people do crazy things!  Desperate people will try anything they can!  That's why security is the issue everywhere in public!
Gerrilea Added Apr 10, 2018 - 1:09pm
Dino M--- I agreed with you up until this: "....security is the issue everywhere in public...".
 
Your desire to live free of fear has led to the New American Police State, Inc.  The militarization of police forces across this nation using military hardware and TACTICS, designed for fighting an enemy.  To 3m no-knock raids that kill innocents by the hundreds. To physical/sexual assault at airports. To mindless phrases like, "See Something, Say Something". 
 
The end result becomes millions of Americans incarcerated for victimless crimes. Americans stripped of their unalienable right to privacy, to peaceably protest, to speak freely and finally, to think critically....
 
All these things starts with your above quoted phrase and sadly, somehow you believe MORE of this is a good thing?
 
Help me out to understand why you believe this.
 
Gerrilea Added Apr 10, 2018 - 1:16pm
Rusty--- I was sort of hoping to see this video, linked in your article:
 
Delaney Tarr spoke to the crowd:
 
“When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile.”
 
The plan with gun control has always been the abolition of the 2nd Amendment and the disarmament of the American people.
 
Always.
 
Rusty Smith Added Apr 10, 2018 - 1:33pm
Dino Manalis there is a whole market of self defense pens out there.  In China pheasants were not allowed to own weapons and they developed many martial arts skills that focused on ways to use the tools they were allowed to own, as deadly weapons.  Some even focus on canes which anyone can take into an airport unchallenged.  A screwdriver can be a very deadly weapon, it's just not possible to completely disarm people who want weapons.  Look what they do in prisons, almost anything can be turned into a knife.
Eric Reports Added Apr 10, 2018 - 4:34pm
The Mayor plays dumb just like Obama did.  They're for Sharia law.  New World Order agenda is to swamp the world with Muslims, then pass draconian rule of law.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 10, 2018 - 5:04pm
Eric Reports I don't think the Mayor is playing dumb I think he's just part of the group think that attacks the symptoms when they see a problem without considering the bigger picture.  
 
He wants to take strong action, profiling, stop and search, all hoping that if he can control those murdering knives, the thugs that keep using them to kill people will become reformed and stop wanting to kill each other and other people they like to victimize.
 
I'm sure he doesn't ask himself why when guns were taken away it only paused the problem so even if he could control knives the same would happen.  This will be much tougher than controlling guns, few households don't have kitchen knives and the thugs that use them make very deadly knives and use them even when they are locked in prison.  What makes him think he can deprive them of knives when they aren't in prison.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 10, 2018 - 5:39pm
The British police is indeed completely disarmed. Great video. The Mayor of London does not play dumb. He is. But the British police is in a downward spiral since the Tony Blair years. It's the most ridiculous police force in the world.
 
Hmmm....maybe with the exception of the Swedish police. Now, watch how a feminist police force in Sweden fails to arrest a guy.
https://youtu.be/Mtgznoza-FY
 
And this is how a feminist military in Germany looks like.
 
And indeed it is only a question of time until cars are taken away because public transport and bikes are so much safer and protect the environment.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 10, 2018 - 6:56pm
Benjamin Goldstein your youtube video was amazing, that guy looked intoxicated and all those well trained FEMALE cops couldn't even get him handcuffed, much less in a car.  They ran away each time he picked up a rock, what the heck would they do if a criminal had a screwdriver, or a stake knife?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 10, 2018 - 7:13pm
Horrifying. I once heard that there is a study about female cops in the US and deadly confrontations. It seems that women are more likely to use deadly force - i.e. shoot - than male colleagues simply because they cannot fight. And it's not only the physical aspect. Three women do have the strength to overpower a man, but most don't have the instinct. Those women who don't have an instinct to fight cannot learn it just by some training. Nature. Damn it!
Rusty Smith Added Apr 10, 2018 - 7:31pm
Benjamin Goldstein well that's sure not what young girls are being taught these days, they are at least as tough as guys, usually better.  I do think there are more kick ass tough women featured in movies these days than men, and I've seen them take on and beat up dozens of men, often several at once, WITH MY OWN EYES, so don't tell me it's not true, I watch movies too.
 
I think most even believe it until about high school when most men pass them by with upper body strength and can generally overpower most women without any effort.  I know there are exceptions, but as the drunk guy in the video illustrated, even several big women with special training can in trouble trying to overpower one man even if he does look more than a little intoxicated.  You'd be hard pressed to find an unarmed woman intimidating that many men.
Jeff Michka Added Apr 10, 2018 - 9:18pm
'rilla whines: The plan with gun control has always been the abolition of the 2nd Amendment and the disarmament of the American people.-Yup, it's time to take the John Wayne toys away, you advocates can't even control muzzle climb, and all this "gun talk" has gotten a few WB rightists talking treason.  Give it up, or go to Russia to get a 2nd amendment there.
 
Jeff Michka Added Apr 10, 2018 - 9:21pm
ol Rusted, "Mr & Mrs. Freedumb and Libertea" sez:  You'd be hard pressed to find an unarmed woman intimidating that many men.-More guns make it safer, right? 
Rusty Smith Added Apr 10, 2018 - 11:36pm
Jeff Michka Ahhh... YES, I do think the brave police in places like the UK who are handcuffed by their lack of guns are at a serious disadvantage that makes it less safe for them and for the people they might want to save from a knife wielding homicidal maniac than  they would be if they were given guns.
 
Am assuming  you are responding to discussion about the video everyone else in this forum is discussing.  
 
Regarding you previous post, why insult Gerilla's gun skills when you could post a logical argument that might make all of us consider the strength of your position?  You don't know anything about his gun skills so you sound really foolish pretending you do.  His personal proficiency is has nothing to do with this forum and even if it did we'd have no way of verifying it.
 
It's only a forum, don't let it get you unhinged just because participants don't agree with you.
Gerrilea Added Apr 11, 2018 - 1:08am
Jeff M--- Finally you admit to your real agenda...how sweet to see the truth come out.  And I've already told you that I do not own a firearm, never have.  NOW if we don't agree with you we can leave the country.  Laughing MY Fucking Ass off.  No dearie, We The People fought and won the rights we enjoy today.  If you don't like it, how about you go to any other nation that doesn't allow the citizens to own weapons?  No one said you had to stay here and suffer our freedoms. EVEN the freedom to talk "treason", god forbid!!
 
And, in case you don't understand, the restoration of Constitutional Law is not treason, its our duty.
 
~Fini~
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 11, 2018 - 9:07am
In my mind I see the photos of gun bearers in whatever uniform lined up behind the disarmed on the edge of a deep ditch as the just shot disarmed tumble dead into it.
Utpal Patel Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:21am
Just like it makes no sense for people to own assault weapons it makes no sense for people to carry long knives.  None of these weapons prevent homicides.  However, when in the possession of people, people tend to use them when they otherwise might walk away from an argument or use their fists.  For those that wish for these weapons to be legal, there is only one argument that resonates with me and that’s the 2nd Amendment one.  So please quit it with all these other bogus arguments. 
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:38am
Utpal Patel-- It really doesn't matter the "reason" or "intent" or even "desires", we have the unalienable right to keep and bear arms.  I completely agree and have said that multiple times.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:24am
Making good people helpless won't make bad people harmless.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 12, 2018 - 11:40am
Utpal Patel I respectfully disagree on a few levels.
 
First most guns can be used to prevent homicides, in self defense situations, often without even being fired.  Many small people including women do count on guns to keep them safe from criminals who would otherwise easily overpower them.
 
Second I urge you to study guns a little more and think if you do you will discover the definition of "assault weapons" is much more scary than the actual guns.  All the guns listed as assault weapons are regular old low power semi automatic rifles with things added to them like flash suppressors or stocks with a thumb hole in the grip, and none of those things makes those guns any more deadly.  They still shoot the same bullets, hold the same number of bullets, and NONE on the list are used by any country's military because they are not military hardware even though they look like they are.
 
When Assault weapons are compared to the guns the military really uses, the comparison is similar to comparing a passenger car with flames painted on it and big tires, to the ones used in Nascar Races.  They are not the same, not even close.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 12, 2018 - 11:52am
Gerrilea we don't have unalienable or even inalienable rights to own guns, inalienable rights are only to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", taken from the Declaration of Independence.  Those are the ones we attribute to as God given rights that every person has...  except that back when that was written our conceptions of who had what rights were very different than our contemporary views today.
 
The Second Amendment is in the founding fathers next document, our Constitution, which is based on the Declaration of Independence.  There our founding fathers set up a framework of basic individual citizens rights that our government is not allowed to violate, restrict, or take away via Executive or Judicial action.  It's not legal for the courts to make laws that negate Constitutional rights, the only way they can be altered is via the Amendment Process.
 
There is no reason the second amendment could not be nullified, all we'd have to do is make and pass another amendment to do that, just like was done with prohibition.  Fortunately for people like me that is very hard to do and at least for now appears to be very unlikely.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 12, 2018 - 11:54am
Jeffry Gilbert absolutely right, disarming the good people, or even taking all the guns away will not prevent violent criminals from victimizing the public.  Just look at what's happening in the UK, criminals without guns have switched to knives and now they kill more with knives than we kill with guns and knives in New York.
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:58pm
Rusty S-- I think you've made a mistake.  The constitution was based on the failures of the Articles of Confederation, 8+ yrs after the Revolution ended.  It's not based on the Declaration of Independence.
 
Each Nation/State had their own constitutions that listed the unalienable rights of their citizens.  When those original Countries, ie States today, ratified the current compact, they included mandatory revisions or amendments be included.  For Example, New Hampshire included the following:
 
Twelfth
Congress shall never disarm any Citizen unless such as are or have been in Actual Rebellion.
 
I hope this helps you understand our history better.
 
Our rights pre-date the current constitution. They would have to simultaneously repeal the 2nd Amendment and then say firearms are forbidden.  At that point they would go against the MAJORITY of the States today, 44 out of 50, that have it protected/defined in their constitutions.
 
We would have an immediate Constitutional Crisis, far deadlier than the Civil War. Each individual State is not lawfully/legally OR constitutionally compelled to alter their own constitutions.  Armed force would be necessary to compel each individual, in each State to vote, by referendum to repeal the protections they placed in their respective State constitutions. 
 
IT can't be done and without said revisions in each State, excepting the 6 States that do not protect said right to bear arms.
 
Be clear, the Supreme Court could not even hear the issue, they have no privy over this.  It becomes We The People against/for our own State Governments, depending on position and then the Federal Government.
 
These rights we enjoy have been identified, recognized and deemed integral as a birthright, not a "civil" privilege....long before our nation and our states existed. 
 
If we presume your theory was correct then the following is how it would go:
 
"Life", you won't have "life" if you are unable to protect it.   You won't have "liberty" if you do not have the force to prevent your enslavement AND you can't enjoy "happiness" if you are dead or enslaved.
 
See how that works???
 
:)
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:14pm
Be clear, the Supreme Court could not even hear the issue
 
Be clear SCOTUS has zero respect for the constitution. One of its most egregious over steps was the appointment of GWB to POTUS. 
 
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:22pm
Jeffry G--Damn you....Ughhhh....you are absolutely correct.
 
:(
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:14pm
I can still remember stuff that happened twenty or thirty years ago what I had for lunch yesterday is another thing altogether.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:16pm
Gerrilea I was referring to what our founders were considering when they created the Constitution, not the paperwork that turned into the Constitution.  I don't think people can understand the purpose and intent of the Constitution without realizing it was a logical follow up to the Declaration of Independence.
 
I also don't believe the Supreme Court is empowered to alter the constitution, that must be done through the amendment process.  The Supreme Court is only empowered to change laws not the constitution.
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:51pm
Rusty, you miss almost an entire decade of self-rule before the current constitution became apparent & necessary after the alleged failures of the Articles Of Confederation. Those "articles" were our first constitution. The independent States had enumerated (in their own constitutions) what they believed were the most important rights that must be insured, protected & never abrogated by and for their citizens.
 
The Declaration of Independence is a very powerful document. We set ourselves free from tyranny with it's assent. 
 
     "...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men
     are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator
     with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life,
     Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —
 
     That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted
     among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent
    of the governed..."
 
Our unalienable rights are not limited to just "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Please note they say..."AMONG THESE ARE", they weren't limiting them to just those 3 things. 
 
And many people get confused on unalienable rights versus "civil rights".  Unalienable rights we are born with, civil "privileges/rights" are granted by the state (generic), like a driving license, marriage license, hunting licenses, etc. TPTB have conditioned the masses into accepting that they are "equal" when they are not. 
 
I/we may have "civil" obligations to treat others equally, in housing, employment and the like....BUT are they not already born that way?  YES.
 
They've expanded their duties and obligations onto each and everyone of us.
 
Do we have an unalienable "obligation" to provide for the welfare of others through taxes? So that they may "pursue happiness"? No, they are civil obligations thrust upon us. Americans today are born into debt-slavery, "for the greater good", it seems. 
 
Rusty Smith Added Apr 13, 2018 - 12:58am
Gerrilea there may be more inalienable rights but the only ones listed are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" in the Declaration of Independence. 
 
The Declaration of Independence declared our Independence in 1776, followed by attempts to define the government structure we wanted to use to replace it, and the final version is our Constitution written and ratified in 1787, 11 years later.  All the iterations between those two dates are just working out the details we eventually adopted.
 
Yes, I am ignoring a decade of proposals and only focusing on the final document we adopted.
 
Yes, I still do consider the logical progression to be declaring independence and then defining the government structure and personal protections our founding fathers left us with that has stood every since to be an extension of the same process.
 
I do believe taxation, especially for forced versions of charities that are better left to the people as individuals and organizations they choose to belong to like churches, is way out of hand.
 
National defense is important, but I see no reason for orzanizations like a tax funded national organization to oversee education.  Per the constitution, all rights not specifically given to the federal government belong to THE STATES.  Today the fed is in everything, and they need to get out of the everything business.
Mark Hunter Added Apr 13, 2018 - 2:56am
I remember when we used to sit around at lunch and compare our pocket knives ... in middle school. And not one person ever got stabbed, which leads me to believe the problem might be something other than the weapons themselves.
Gerrilea Added Apr 13, 2018 - 8:15am
Rusty S-- You are aware of the 10th Amendment correct? 
 
     "The powers not delegated to the United States by the
     Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved
     to the States respectively, or to the people."
 
We have a common law system, not a Napoleonic code.  The French have the latter.  All things not listed are privy of their elected government.  
 
The short list included in the constitution, is not complete and was never intended to be.  Just the ones the States believed MUST be added to ensure the central government understood it's limits.
 
 
 
Rusty Smith Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:07am
Gerrilea yes, although I didn't quote it precisely from memory in the bottom of my reply to you 2 posts above, that is what I was referring to in my rant about the Fed over extending their authority by creating organizations to do things like meddle in our kids educations.  Those types of things should not be allowed to be controlled by the Fed.
 
The Constitution is the foundation for our government not a system of laws and also was never intended to be a substitute for laws.  It limits what laws can be enacted.  Its a little like your computer's operating program, which all other programs, (laws), must be compatible with.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:15am
Mark Hunter I still have the pocket knives I carried in elementary school.  All the boys had pocket knives an I never heard of one being used in a fight even though we fought ALL THE TIME.  Our fights were always about dominance, and over the second the loser didn't get back up or gave up.  I never saw a kid get beat up on the ground until I was on a elementary school field trip to a museum and a group of minority kids beat the tar out of white kids they caught alone in the bathroom.  A group of them from an inner city school kicked and punched them bloody, even after they were down.  They did it because they were white, no other reason.  Even the girls got beat up in the women's RR.  
Dr. Rupert Green Added Apr 13, 2018 - 8:50pm
Rusty. You are writing some scary shit, As a technician, I have numerous dalliances with screwdrivers, soldering guns, and wires/leads.  Additionally, I guess as a good taxpaying and law abiding citizen, I will have to start stockpiling up on spitballs to defend my home from gun-toting criminals as I await the taking of the Second.
Mark Hunter Added Apr 14, 2018 - 12:23am
My wife just got a nail gun, Dr. Green; should she have registered it?
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 1:27am
Mark H--  "Registered" it means she had the permit 1st & that means she passed her psych exam & the safety and training classes & she waited 2 yrs, correct?  Wink, wink!
 
Wait, are you telling us she got one of those "weapons of mass construction" at the last Home Depot DIY Classes?  What, she "traded" it in the parking lot?  
 
Ugh, now we're gonna have to close that parking lot loophole!
 
ROFL.
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 1:29am
Dr. Green--- I'd stock up on food, water & supplies...you'll be waiting until hell freezes over before the 2nd A is repealed.
Mark Hunter Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:52am
I'm not sure where she got it, but I did notice the serial number was ground off. When I asked her about it, she said I could have her nail gun when I pried my cold, dead hands off the wall she was going to nail me to. She has this thing about not letting me use power equipment; I'd explain why, but first I'd have to show you my scars.
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 3:21am
Mark H--- LMFAO...
 
"She was never that kind of person", I said to the reporter,  "I guess it just goes to show you, those demonically possessed nail-guns can make people go ballistic."
 
"She was so quiet and helpful.  She once helped me put up trellis in my backyard.  Boy, She used to make so many beautiful birdhouses. I really will miss them."
 
If only we had limited the capacity to just 10 nails per belt, she couldn't have caused such mayhem.  Think of the children, they're gonna have to grow up with Daddy nailed to that wall.  How's he ever gonna play ball with the boys? Or take the girls to soccer games?
 
I better stop or I'll be writing a short novel about this, LOL.
 
:-)
Mark Hunter Added Apr 14, 2018 - 4:20am
:-)
Rusty Smith Added Apr 14, 2018 - 12:19pm
Dr. Rupert Green guns are still legal and more private ones are being sold inexpensively than sold legally in gun stores because it's more profitable and easier.  You should be able to acquire a few over the next few years and it doesn't take many to defend yourself.  
 
I recommend revolvers to people who are unfamiliar with guns.  They are very simple to use, have no safeties or other moving parts that can trip you up, and 3 shots is more than most people use to defend themselves.  No need for a big one, no thug wants to be shot with the smallest ones.  Thugs can't victimize you without being a few feet away so you don't need to be a good shot, and if you're not sure its a good idea to use a small pistol you can leave it in your pocket and hope the thug doesn't hurt you.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 14, 2018 - 12:24pm
Mark Hunter of course you need to register your nail gun, haven't you seen how often they are used violently on the silver screen.   
 
Funny, I own about 10 and none can be picked up and fired like they do in the movies, they all need to be pressed against something like a board to release the safety first.  I bet most people who don't use them don't know that, after seeing all the movie BS.
 
Same with guns, most people are scared of Assault Rifles only because they don't know anything about them.  Why most think all the ones on the list are used by military people all over the world.  Not true at all, they are not.
Mark Hunter Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:51am
Well, a few weeks ago I saw a nail gun used to kill a zombie on The Walking Dead, so there you go. Zombies have rights too, you know.
(But it was used properly, I'll give them that.)
Dr. Rupert Green Added Apr 15, 2018 - 8:20am
@Rusty. As one trained in law enforcement (Jamaica) and a gun owner, I am versed in their usage. I had a liking for the Remington double barrel. Just the action and noise of loading one in the chamber had MF shitting on themselves.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:30am
Dr. Rupert Green hmmm... I like to think I have a wide variety of guns but the description you've given of your gun and the action has me baffled.
 
Usually double barrel refers to side by side shotguns, and I have plenty.  My favorite has 28 inch barrels and most people make fun of it but almost everyone who shoots it admits it swings and shoots delightfully well.
 
I've also got over under which get much more respect on the range, but like the side by side, don't make any noise when I load them.  I also have never seen a large police agency use either of those two, only small town sheriffs.
 
The most popular shotgun law enforcement use to use in the US was the Remington pump, and it does make a distinctive noise when it's loaded, but doesn't have a double barrel.  More recently many departments have switched to other brands, but you did say Remington.
 
I know you didn't say it was a shotgun, perhaps I'm going in the wrong direction.  Please be more specific.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:34am
Mark Hunter hmmm... It's nice to hear they didn't disable the safety.  Was that a pneumatic version or a butane one?
 
I hope they were wearing their safety glasses.
 
I think it's time for them to start using Ramsets, if they can put a pin in concrete certainly they can kill a zombie.  They even make auto loading Ramsets.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:56pm
@ Rusty. You know your machines. It was a pump action Remington. With respect to my confusion, it emerged out of seeing Clint opened up on bad guys with 00 Buck from his double barrel that never needed reloading.
Cuckoo o'clock Added Apr 15, 2018 - 6:14pm
I read the first couple of comments on this article, how Great Britain is now a joke and how someone is upset they can't carry a 6 inch dagger? Are you for real? What on earth would you need a six inch dagger for in London? You're in the city! Did you visit museums and galleries with your dagger? 
I was just in London. One of my favorite things to do in London is watch TV.  I'm sure people will make fun of me about this, but I've seen all there is to see and it was cold and it snowed and it was windy.  I normally don't watch much TV here in the US but BBC and ITV are far better. Anyhow, one of the shows I watched was a show like Cops, called "Coppers". Coppers is so far different than Cops and it shows how civilized London is compared to here in the US. When someone gets arrested, there's little shouting and hollering and all sorts of commotion. Can you guess why? Probably because the cops aren't as worried that the arrestees are heavily armed! When they go into their prison cell, they aren't even handcuffed! Plus the episode I saw, the inmates were given magazines to pass the time.  It is all very dignified and great and I'd take that over not being able to carry a stupid dagger around with me everywhere I go. But hey, you never know when a wild animal will come to attack you while walking along the Thames.
Gerrilea Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:53pm
Cuckoo C--- Funny, really funny.   They've "normalized" their own slavery.  How about you go to Luton?  You know the same place where Tommy Robinson is from... get back to us afterwards, will ya?
 
Take the tube to France and stop by Paris, go over to Bois de Vincennes and talk loudly in your American English.  Let me know how that goes. 
 
MAKE SURE YOU know who to call first....#112 or #18 on your phone!
 
Let's see if you are so smug and naive when your done.
 
Mark Hunter Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:15am
It looked pneumatic to me, Rusty, but I wasn't paying close attention and I'm no expert--to be honest, I didn't know there was a butane version. And no, no eye protection--they never wear hearing protection either, for all the gun firing, which I'd imagine is how the zombies can so easily sneak up on them.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 16, 2018 - 11:16am
Dr. Rupert Green one of the last movies I saw featured a large center fire revolver the good guy used to fire at least 10 rounds in about 15 seconds, without reloading it.  He did do a lot of jumping around, perhaps he reloaded when I wasn't paying attention.
 
I am always amazed by the power of guns on the silver screen, since they are so much more powerful and deadly than the ones I have.  People who get shot often fly backwards like they were hit by a truck.  I can't match that even with a 12 gauge magnum slug from 5 feet away.  
 
I am also amazed by how deadly their guns are.  I've done a lot of shooting and excepting head shots, rarely see instant kills like happens so much on TV.  I'm blown away by how many one shot, instant kills I see.  In the North Hollywood shooting which was real, 20 people were shot with assault rifles, many didn't get quick medical attention and all of them survived.  
Rusty Smith Added Apr 16, 2018 - 3:43pm
Cuckoo o'clock I carry two knives everywhere I go in the US except places like airports and government buildings.  
 
I don't want you to think I'm irresponsible, I have had more than a bit of knife training, but I'm not sure it's the kind you'd approve of and my knives are exceptionally well behaved. 
 
No knife I've ever owned has ever jumped out of my pocket or boot and attacked anyone when I wasn't paying attention, although more times  than I can count one or another of them has drawn blood, occasionally even my own.
 
I do feel safer having knives with me, even though I know knives do kill lots of people, especially if you count suicides.  I have never thought my knifes might force me to kill myself, as I said mine are well behaved.
 
By the way I think you need to look at the first reply in the form, it has a link to a video of one man with a knife chasing unarmed UK police in circles around a car.  I think it's about 11 cops to one man with a knife, but you can quickly see how powerless the UK police are if they need to intervene in a murder, even if all the criminal has is a knife.  I know if they wait long enough back up police with guns will show up, but I'd hate to be a victim getting stabbed, watching the police watch me getting stabbed, and waiting for them to get someone on scene with a weapon that can counter a knife.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 16, 2018 - 3:47pm
Mark Hunter most often I see pneumatic nail guns used in the movies and often around shops and construction sites after hours when the compressed air systems would be shut down.  No one I know leaves their compressors on after hours, it costs too much and shortens it's lifespan.  I like the butane ones but they tend to be lighter duty so they are infrequently used by commercial institutions.
Gerrilea Added Apr 17, 2018 - 9:16am
Rusty S--- ARE you sure of this?
     "I have never thought my knifes might force me to kill myself,
     as I said mine are well behaved."
 
Inanimate objects can become possessed, I'm sure I've seen it in a movie!
 
;)
 
 
Rusty Smith Added Apr 17, 2018 - 10:20am
Gerrilea I do see your point and would be very upset if one of my knives suddenly went rogue and killed me, perhaps I should be taking this problem more seriously, especially since it's not just my own life I'm putting at risk, it could be others including innocent children.  What if they both went on a rampage, oh my God!
 
I don't want people to think I'm irresponsible and if the worst happened would hate to have to tell a judge I hadn't taken every possible precaution to prevent the carnage.  So what do you think...
 
If I pay to get my knives trained and retrained yearly, would that be frequent enough?  
 
Well at least I can take comfort that if my knives kill someone they will be blamed instead of me, after all we all know it's not the people, it's the weapon that is ultimately responsible.  
Gerrilea Added Apr 17, 2018 - 1:00pm
Rusty S--- You know, maybe you should take them to a church and have them "de-possessed", IF that's even possible.  Maybe blessing them with Holy Water could do the trick.  Surely you'd at least have them in Hermetically sealed Tupperware containers on holy ground with a few crosses over them, just to be safe.
 
When you do take them out be sure you're wearing the layers and colors of your religious denomination.  You might throw in a few "Jesus H C's" randomly just to throw the demons off as you carry. We know they are sly devil's, aren't they?!
 
;-) 
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 17, 2018 - 1:07pm
Rusty are the knifes named Burt and Ernie?
Mark Hunter Added Apr 17, 2018 - 6:16pm
My knives are named Sam and Dean, but I like Burt and Ernie better. My gun is named Shirley Temple, because she’s little and harmless looking but can make people dance.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 18, 2018 - 11:23am
Thomas Sutrina And Mark Hunter I never thought of naming my knives but I do like the Shirley Temple name.  Then again I've had a Ferret named Kitty and a bird named Bear and another named Nemo.  Those things happen when you let kids name animals.
 
I don't think I can top Shirley Temple so I'm not going to try.
Rusty Smith Added Apr 18, 2018 - 11:33am
Gerrilea I don't think mine are possessed, but I suppose I might be just be overlooking the signs because I don't want to see the truth. 
 
I'm pretty sure hermetic implies metal, so tupperware probably wouldn't work.  If I put them in a lead container and soldered it shut even Superman couldn't see them.  I bet you never thought about that did you?  
 
I am still worried, if I take them out of my house and they murder someone, am I an accomplice?  I know the weapon, not the person is responsible, but someone might argue they could not have killed if I'd not let them out of my house.
 
I am sure if I gave one to someone who wanted to kill themselves and they did, I'd be held responsible even though I didn't kill them myself.  These days if I'm mean to someone I can be held civilly responsible for their suicide, even someone I've never met on the internet.
 
Oh My GOD...  this is getting scary.
 
 
Gerrilea Added Apr 20, 2018 - 3:07am
Rusty, RuSTY, RUSTY....deep breath....I SAID DEEP BREATH....
 
Did you do it?
 
...
 
....
 
Rusty... Are you there???!!!
 
RUSTY!!!???
 
...
 
...
 
Dang it...no response...his weapons MUST HAVE got to him!!!
 
Quick, someone call 911 !!!
 
;-)
 
 
Mark Hunter Added Apr 20, 2018 - 3:37am
Didn't Stephen King already write this story?
Gerrilea Added Apr 20, 2018 - 10:35am
Mark H-- You know, now that you mention it...I thought I knew this story from somewhere.
 
;)
Rusty Smith Added Apr 23, 2018 - 10:37am
Gerrilea I apologize for the delay, I started thinking about the possibilities, got scared that one of my guns might come after me and was hiding in a closet.  I have seen the Chuckie movies and know how easy it is for inanimate objects to become deranged and deadly.  
 
I hope you understand, I was especially concerned because I have so many, and it only takes one rogue gun to kill me.  I am very aware of all the statistical evidence I see on the internet which clearly shows I am much more at risk of being shot since I own guns than people in other places where guns don't exist. 
 
That must be true, it's on the internet and I know people in the UK hardly ever get shot because they got rid of their guns.  Now they need to get rid of all their knives, because now that the guns are gone the knives got emboldened and I've heard they are killing as many people as the guns once did.  They need to get ahead of the curve and get rid of all kitchen cutlery... Plastic Sporks and blunt scissors are all they really need, and if it saves one life, it will be worth it! 
Gerrilea Added Apr 24, 2018 - 2:50am
Rusty--- WHEW....I was getting worried.  Next time you feel them "getting uppity"...just let me know...take your cell phone with you...I've got a "prayer circle" I can activate.  We've saved hundreds just like you.
 
Boy do I agree on England getting ahead of the curve, they don't have ANY prayer circles that I'm aware of....But the sporks are too dangerous...they have points on them....so their next best thing is to have everyone move into padded cells, padded everything...that way no one will ever get hurt, again!
 
;-)
 
Rusty Smith Added Apr 24, 2018 - 10:40am
Gerrilea it feels so good to find a like minded similarly deluded ally in my quest to save lives.  When people like you confirm my fears I feel very justified bullying anyone who has dissimilar opinions about the murderous potential all those deadly inanimate objects pose to us and our CHILDREN too.
 
I feel so smart, it amost hurts.