THE MAN WHO KNOWS TRUMP'S SECRETS: COHN

 

Now, ok, call me a racist, an antisemite. Today I'd say it is a definition of somebody who reflects. Not every liberal is liberal, since "liberal" means "free", coming from "libre"... as far as I know aren't these the LIBERtarians ?

 

My problem is simple, as I'm a simple man. I do read stuff and read the letters and names, when it concerns people and politics, and, how funny, I always stumble into the same kind of names.

 

Cohen, Cohn, Kohn, Cohn, -berg, -witz, -stein and so on.

 

Now, I take these names and check out where they are and what position they have in ANY government. Ok. I look at the US first, since it is basically, to us Europeans, a multicultural society, where everybody can fit in and get his paradise. Is that so ?

 

Ok. I take Cohen for example. There is Leonard Cohen, ok. That one seems to have been a rather neutral and likeable person. But then you have people like "Greenberg", "Zuckerberg", "Horowitz", "Kissinger", "Koch", "Rosenstein", "Kushner", "Bloomberg" etc. etc. and Roy Cohn. The Trump guy.

 

And the I ask myself: Is there a connection to, maybe, NetanYahoo ? 

 

How is it possible that so many people of apparently the same race (?), or is it ideology ? can be so high up in governments and economy while Browns, Smiths, Jones's, or others are so nonexistent in a country which apparently is made out of mainly Anglophones ? 

 

Hm.

 

Tell me. I'd like to know if there's a discrimination of a majority in favor of a minority on the reason of networking and personal wealth. And the mercy of being born into a persecuted people. Even after 70 years good stuff. If I could ask Amshel, I would.

 

The mercy of being clever and ruthless. That's what other's lack. Morals ? Fuck it.

 

Maybe Bill Gates can tell.

 

And when somebody calls me a Nazi again I tell him only: You have not understood the last 70 years of geopolitics.

 

I'm not a Nazi. But I can't accept when some people put themselves above others. Especially not when they are the same assholes as we are but don't admit it.

 

Comments

Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 10, 2018 - 2:25pm
"And when somebody calls me a Nazi again I tell him only: You have not understood the last 70 years of geopolitics."
 
It's clear to me that, when people respond this way, their comprehension of geopolitical history ends with a Spielberg or/and Polanski product, especially if they invoke an association of gas chambers to Nazis. 
 
My response to the Nazi label is often, "I'd rather be called a Nazi than a Jew."  At least Nazis did what they said and said/say what they believe(d).   
George N Romey Added Apr 10, 2018 - 2:29pm
I can say that certain ethnic groups are predisposed to control than others. I’m Italian and let’s face it so are just about all mob members. But I’m not one of them but you have to admit “those Italians” are quite scary. I remember once as a kid asking my Italian Grandmother if she knew anyone in the mob. She very much didn’t like the question given she smacked me on the head. Definitely was a sore point for her.
Pardero Added Apr 10, 2018 - 2:49pm
Stone-Eater,
I was thinking that maybe Anglophones did not excel at the intricacies of Republican government, banking, movie production, Fortune 500 business  operation, Mainstream Media, university administration, etc.
It is quite a feat for 2% of the population to exceed 90% in some of those fields. They must have all worked their butts off in college.
I try not to notice that those same people are always pushing for war. 
Actually, I don't notice those things because it is racist to notice things like that. Definitely, I did not notice anything. Only a racist would recognize patterns.
Katharine Otto Added Apr 10, 2018 - 2:59pm
George,
If you were in the mob, you might have a six-figure salaried job.
 
Tom,
Good answer, but I'd settle for neither.  
 
Stone,
Have you looked at any magazine or newspaper mastheads lately?  I didn't start out being anti-Semitic, but I get tired of Jewishness in my face, just as I get tired of government in my face.  They don't have a monopoly on having been persecuted but act as if they do.  Professional masochists.  "Let's you and him fight.  We'll lend other people's money to both sides and run the cameras."
 
Every time I say I oppose war, I get reminded of Hitler.  Well, the Jews (Rothschilds) funded Hitler, from what I understand.  People disdain Iran because it's a theocracy.  Isn't Israel a theocracy, too?  What's the difference? Different rules for different gods?  Whose god is the right one?
Dave Volek Added Apr 10, 2018 - 3:24pm
Stone
My hypothesis comes from medieval European history when the Church gave being in business a bad way to get to heaven. Business was the niche for the Jews in this society. Not only that, the Jews understood a pogrom could happen anytime, it was best to stash a little wealth. Christians, meanwhile, were buying indulgences and staying poor and uneducated!
 
What we see today is a centuries-long cultural trait of business, investing, networking, and education. So statistically speaking, a lot of Jews are in these fields whereas coal miners in West Virginia haven't had this history.  
 
 
 
 
 
Pardero Added Apr 10, 2018 - 8:54pm
Dave Volek,
My maternal grandmother had a similar theory.
I see that people are staying away from this article.
I think that the concern about a small group influencing the country to keep going to war, should be looked at. 
Should our government officials reflect the makeup of the population better? 
Do dual citizens have dual loyalties?
The US may have similar outlook to many other countries, but none could be identical.
Pardero Added Apr 10, 2018 - 8:59pm
Stone-eater,
I was sarcastic up above.
You are a bright guy, but I better be safe and tell you.
Even Zerohedge commenters leave a sarcasm tag.
 
Katharine Otto,
Fantastic comment. Where is your magazine? I like your writing style.
wsucram15 Added Apr 11, 2018 - 12:12am
SEF..I logged in for you and Opher. I go home from the fire thing soon.But got the paperwork for the restoration company the other day.  I had 27 boxes and some of them were my years of music memorabilia, much of it signed. Drumsticks, Vinyl, CDs tickets(hundreds), flyers..etc. They were not supposed to touch my boxes "storage only"...they cleaned it all.
Think about that for a minute. they cleaned items with signatures.
My heart hurts...some of it was worth alot, but its irrelevant, its my history.
I thought you would understand.  I hope all is well. talk to you soon.
Flying Junior Added Apr 11, 2018 - 2:39am
You're not a racist, Stone.  You simply have a problem with prejudice against Jews.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 11, 2018 - 6:16am
Pard
 
I was neither sarcastic nor anti anything. I just have that question mark above my head and look for answers...
Stone-Eater Added Apr 11, 2018 - 6:20am
FJ
 
Thanks. Not Jews in general or ANYbody in general. I only wonder sometimes why which club is more influential than another.
 
Maybe we should start a new olympic sports category: Greed and ruthlessness. And all countries can participate.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 11, 2018 - 6:25am
Jeanne
 
I know how it feels. All of my former life which was not stored on my "internal harddisk" burned in 1995 in a house fire in Bamako. Pics, LP originals from the 60s to then, about 400 of them, books, journals.
 
But thanks to mp3 I got ALL back except ONE....thanks again to my memory which wrote it all down on paper in Cameroon in 1999, and when I got back to Switz I discovered Internet and after 2 years I had it all back. Napster and Co. helped me LOL
Stone-Eater Added Apr 11, 2018 - 6:27am
....the music, I mean, of course.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 11, 2018 - 6:32am
Dave
 
I agree!
 
The only thing is: WHY went the ones who INVENTED that immoral system onto the side that THEY only profited ?
 
Then.....following that...it would mean that it is human structure....others would have acted the same way.
 
That's what I believe. But then...today is not 1700. We SHOULD have progressed.
 
Evolution is too slow.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 11, 2018 - 6:35am
BTW: Why does one leave a sarcastic mark when it concerns Jews but when it concerns others it's not needed ? PC ? 2018 is NOT 1944.
 
At one point a fresh start is needed. Thanks in the name of all those born after...
Stone-Eater Added Apr 11, 2018 - 6:37am
BTW2: We Swiss were no better in WW2. We closed the borders. But we have learned as have the Germans. Time for the US to learn.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 11, 2018 - 7:17am
Get ready for WW3
.
 
Dump has received the order of the MIC to tell the Russians: We're ready. Between the lines: It was always about you. But now our empire is at stake and we have to defend it.
 
Now we have European stupidity 2.0 made in USA.
 
Pray if you can. I can't.
wsucram15 Added Apr 11, 2018 - 8:32am
Thanks SEF..its difficult to get people to understand that. My son does, I think he is more upset than I am, just for different reasons.
Dino Manalis Added Apr 11, 2018 - 8:41am
Mueller's probe is a waste of time; taxpayer money; and brain cells, but he has moved on to Stormy.  Obviously, Stormy is much more interesting and attractive than the pathetic Russia probe!
Pardero Added Apr 11, 2018 - 8:48am
Stone-eater,
How does the saying go? You know who your masters are, they are the ones you are not allowed to criticize.
'Hate speech' laws take away the ability to state factual observations of reality.
wsucram15 Added Apr 11, 2018 - 9:37am
SEF..Cohen has not been Trumps "personal attorney" or as he is known at Trump Tower "Tom" (a godfather reference) he has only been around since 2006 or so. 
He himself is from a wealthy family on Long Island with some interesting background to the "russian mafia". He grew up that way. Now the story goes he married into the Schusterman family, a cab owning family from the Ukraine. Mr Schusterman and his two partners were all convicted of money laundering related charges in 1993.
One way or the other this is how Cohen met Trump..some say its due to a silent partnership with the father in law. who knows?
But Cohen was somehow able to buy a 1m condo unit at Trump World Tower in 2001, convince his family, and in-laws to do the same. Trump liked his initiative and the fact he could turn a profit. He further bought several Trump properties and had multiple people do the same over time.
It is the first condo and something to do with a 350,000 payment from someone named maklahov? that people question.  No real history there...not sure. 
There is a fed unit called "Red Star" and apparently it was common knowledge that Cohens father in law funneled money into Trump ventures in the Sunny Isles Beach development (FL). There are 6 buildings there and one in Brighton Beach.  This was apparently one of Cohens jobs for Trump.  1/3 of the properties are owned by LLCs and apparently the street names are all in Russian.  They call it "little Russia".   Now this is where you would note the relationship of Felix Sater (the guy who has Kremlin connections) and Cohen who had been friends for many many years. Their profit turnover for Trump properties is notorious.
It was this friendship and his family background that has brought so much ?$ into the forefront now.
Cohen isnt Trump's attorney though, does not and has never represented him in court, zero appearances. But he fields all the questions on Russia or illegal matters since taking his current position in 2011.
If this guy from long island has that many connections and Trump himself has his own long time Italian family ties,  no wonder people were intimidated.   I remember the stories about Trump looonnng before Cohen, he had another guy..named Roy Cohn, a cold hearted attorney from the McCarthy era who taught Trump his attack, counter attack and never apologize strategy.  He also introduced him to Tony Salerno boss of the Genovese crime family who was a client. Trump and Salerno did a good bit of business together when he was coming up in NYC.
Anyway Trump has always had a "guy".  Cohen is just the one for the past few years.
Katharine Otto Added Apr 11, 2018 - 11:03am
Pardero,
Sorry if I misled you.  I don't have a magazine but read lots of them.  I always look at mastheads to see who controls editorial content, and I always want to know where the magazine is published.  Most are published in New York.  Interestingly, the economist, the British publication that is so highly regarded, does not have a masthead.  That anonymity renders it suspect, in my mind.  There seems to be a trend to omit mastheads.  I think this reduces credibility and accountability.
 
Thanks for the praise.
Leroy Added Apr 11, 2018 - 11:31am
I agree with Dave.  The entertainment industry was more or less left to the Jews and Italians in the early days.  The French had their fingers into it as well.  It shouldn't be surprising that they continue to control the industry.  
 
Jews are represented well beyond their numbers.  They are the leading researchers in academics.   We should not begrudge them for that.  Nay.  We should celebrate the achievements and learn to emulate whatever it is that pushes them to greatness.
Morgoth Added Apr 11, 2018 - 11:59am
@Katherine Otto:
”Well, the Jews (Rothschilds) funded Hitler, from what I understand.“
 
Your understanding is incorrect, Katherine.  
 
Most of the Nazi Party’s funding came from its own members through the form of dues.  Hitler also charged fees for speaking engagements, as did others like Otto Strasser (a good speaker in his own right).
 
The Nazi Party did receive some donations from big business but they preferred other right-wing groups.
 
I honestly don’t know where this Rothschilds stuff comes from.
Morgoth Added Apr 11, 2018 - 11:59am
Leroy, on this one issue, you and I completely agree.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 11, 2018 - 12:53pm
Jeanne
 
You see ? A bunch of assholes. I hope that these US bastards which start WW3 will go up in flames as well. I tell you: The world is fed up by the USA. I know it from so many correspondents from Africa, Asia and Europe. We are so fed up with the US that we wish...I can't tell you, sorry.
Leroy Added Apr 11, 2018 - 2:03pm
If the US weren't around to keep the peace, Europe would be at each other's throats.  They caused the first two world wars, and, if there is a third, Europe will be front and center.  The US is necessary to protect them from themselves. 
Morgoth Added Apr 11, 2018 - 2:19pm
@SEF:
What is it that you wish, Stone-Eater?  Any apocalypse that wipes out the US will take Europe with it.
 
I don’t wish for war, I think most sane people don’t want that.  Trump needs to slow his roll in regards to Russia, there are certain realities that he needs to deal with.  No one wants a war over Syria but if Russian personnel die in an American attack....or if US forces and Russian forces clash.....the results are too ghastly to think about.
 
I don’t really get you, Stone-Eater.  You seem to think the US is the cause of all the world’s ills yet most of the crap in the Middle East, Africa and East Asia are the results of European colonization and interference.  The US remained mostly isolationist until after WW II, which, I’ll remind you, was started by a European power that attempted to expand in areas that didn’t belong to it.  
 
Keep that in mind, will you?  
George N Romey Added Apr 11, 2018 - 2:24pm
Oh so sad FDR let Wallace be shoved off the ticket in 44. All of this military and economic meddling may have never got off the ground.  Unfortunately there are Neo Cons in Europe too.
Flying Junior Added Apr 12, 2018 - 12:45am
Until the shit hit the high-powered fan, the fact that Trump's Mr. Fix-it was Jewish was supposed to mean that Trump was okay with Jewish people.
 
I'm going to say either the job of defending each and every one of Trump's social crimes is just a thankless and never-ending task or perhaps, Mr. Cohen is experiencing burn-out and if Trump wishes to survive current and new challenges, he might look out for a team of young, aggressive attorneys with a proven track record.
 
If I was Trump's Wasserfrau attorney, I probably would have looked for a cliff from which to jump some time ago.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:37am
@Katherine Otto:
”Well, the Jews (Rothschilds) funded Hitler, from what I understand.“
 
Your understanding is incorrect, Katherine.
______________
 
Jeffrey, thanks for the correction.
 
The Nazi party did receive some money early on, even before Hitler.  But, it was small amounts, and  intent was to embarrass the Bruning government.  Hitler resurrected List's economy methods = industrial capitalism.  This type of economy uses state credit, which funnels into industry.  It bypasses "financial markets" and private banking credit.  England and their Jews go bezerk when they cannot make their cut on "international" trade, or have other nations go into debt marked in their unit.  
 
Between 33 and 38 tax roles in Germany increased 3X.  Mefobills were a hidden mechanism, whereby the Reichsbank discounted said bills when presented.  Discounting is a fancy word for paying off.  
 
At first the bill is presented to industry to then produce something.  Industry can then take out loans against the bill.  These loans pay for production.  After production is completed, the bill is presented for discount.  Reichbank creates new reichsmarks which finds the bill.  The Bill is then torn up.  These new reichsmarks then pay off the original loan, or they are spent into the economy.   Later they are taken up in taxes.  
 
Note how new reichsmarks found new production, and hence it was non inflationary.
 
There is no way that Rothschilds could stimulate German economy to such a degree that tax roles increased 3X.  It was German money that stimulated the German economy.  
__________
 
Jewish money masters may be sneaky and devious, but the thing they FEAR THE MOST, is sovereign money.  There is a reason Germany was attacked in WW1 (List's economy) and in WW2 (List's economy resurrected).  Finance capitalism does not want industrial capitalism to succeed anywhere. 
 
Banksters absolutely do not want a country issuing its own credit, and funneling it into the commons or self grown industry.   Banksters are in the business of creating new debt instruments to then keep a population in bondage.  A sovereign money type like  Mefobills, pays off debts.   Germany had no great depression, and had full employment.  
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:53am
Dave,
 
 Christians, meanwhile, were buying indulgences and staying poor and uneducated!
 
It is always good to get cause and effect in the right order.  The main reason Luther was so pissed off at Catholic Church was due to indulgences.  If you have read any Luther, then you know his ire was especially aimed at Jews.  Why?
 
Our Jewish friends had sidled up to Roman clergy and induced them into debts.  "Hey how about a loan, your flock could use some new ...whatever."  Simple minded Catholic Clergy fell for it, and of course debts grew beyond the ability to pay.  To get out of debt bondage, the Church came up with the indulgence scheme.
 
Don't confuse "simple mindedness and altruism" with Jewish "sharking"  and predatory practices.  Consciously engaging in the usury mechanism makes the Jews the guilty party here, not the Catholic Church.   The indulgences were cynical also, so evil beget evil.  
 
Our Jewish friends used these same practices in Greece, before Solons reforms.  These debts grew and put Greek farmers into slavery.  These former farmers then were worked to death in the silver mines of Lydia.  
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:02am
Leroy,
 
I agree with Dave.  The entertainment industry was more or less left to the Jews and Italians in the early days.
 
One of the characteristics of Jews in ALL societies they inhabit is to be attracted to the press/movie/media arena.  One reason given for this is to then create a narrative that makes their in-group safe in host country. 
 
Oligarch Jews in Russia in 90's aimed straight for Russian media - so you have a recent example of their behavior.  
 
1920's Berlins decent into debauchery was promoted with Jewish hands, in the same way that Hollywood and Porno today has Jewish hands. 
 
Sorry if any Jewish historical facts cause butt hurt.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:18am
Katharine,
 Most are published in New York.  Interestingly, the economist, the British publication that is so highly regarded, does not have a masthead.  
 
New York has the nick name "Jew York."  Why?  There was a large immigrant wave from 1880 to 1926 or so.  Then there was an immigration cut-off.   Why?  These particular Jews tried to Bolshevize the country, and Congress of that day was not going to have it.  In order to assimilate this indigestible element,, they figured would take time.  Hence immigration cut-off.   These particular eastern european jews from Poland and Pale of settlement used Kol-Niedre to lie about their status, and pretended to be Christians.  
 
For reasons I explain earlier, Jews attach themselves to the press organs of societies they inhabit.  If you don't think in terms of in-groups being an evolutionary construct, then wake the hell up.
 
People do form in groups, and Jewish in-groups behavior is well document throughout history and cannot be argued against.
 
The economist magazine is a ROTHSCHILD publication.  In that Britain has long served as a host for Jews, then one could conflate and say it was British, but that wouldn't be explicitly accurate.  
 
Usually the covers of "Economist" have messages embedded in imagery, a Cabala technique of signaling their occult message.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:44am
Jeffrey
 
You seem to think the US is the cause of all the world’s ills yet most of the crap in the Middle East, Africa and East Asia are the results of European colonization and interference.
 
They are. And as I stated earlier: No one forced the US to repeat the shit Europe has done in its colonist years. They should have learned from our mistakes, and not repeating them up to "Watch out Russia, new and smart missiles will be coming !"
 
Having a prez with a supposed IQ of 70 is about the worst that can happen. And someone who talks like this CANNOT have a higher one.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:21am
Dave,
Leroy,
Jeffrey,
 
It is difficult for men of good character, with malice towards no one, to believe that some groups developed ways to live off of other groups.
Because they are unable to ascribe predatory behaviors to other groups, they rationalize.
 
Those rationalizations become narratives and conventional wisdom.
 
My creed does not allow me to persecute or treat any human being with anything other than dignity and respect.
 
My little little sister was an amazing angler. Some family friends had a small lake/pond with good fishing. My sister could have fished it out. 
She was limited to 4 fish, and then everyone else got a shot.
Just as Caucasians face reverse discrimination because some groups are not as competitive, society may have to consider laws that balance society from the damaging effects of groups that 'evolved' to prey on other societies.
 
I am very sorry to report that I see a lot of rationalization.
Our ancestors were hateful and prejudiced for no good reason for over 2,000 years? I don't think so.
 
My conclusions are based on observations and history, NEVER dislike or hate.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:18am
Pard
 
Never dislike and hate is ok. But difficult to practice on people who are just too stupid to understand the basics that are:
 
Never do to someone something you don't want to be done to you....
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:43am
Stone-Eater,
Another way to say the golden rule.
Don't miss Steve Bull's new article.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:02am
Pard
 
I didn't.....;-)
Morgoth Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:50am
@SEF:
”They are.”
 
And Putin is an innocent little lamb?
 
And Islamic fundamentalists would leave you alone?
 
And the growing right in Europe simply wants to dial you back to the good old days of the 1930’s?
 
Come on, Stone-Eater, grow up.  The world isn’t black and white, good and evil.  The US isn’t the source, simple humanity is.
 
“And as I stated earlier: No one forced the US to repeat the shit Europe has done in its colonist years. They should have learned from our mistakes, and not repeating them up to "Watch out Russia, new and smart missiles will be coming !"
 
Without us, SEF, you would be under the yoke of the Germans or the lash of the Soviets.  Which do you think would be better?
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:05am
Jeffrey
 
And Putin is an innocent little lamb?
 
Not innocent. But REACTING to what happens, not ACTING.
 
And Islamic fundamentalists would leave you alone?
 
If the US hadn't produced them they'd be no problem. Who fucked up Libya, Iraq and Syria, Afghanistan ? Not they. They also.....REACTED.
 
And the growing right in Europe simply wants to dial you back to the good old days of the 1930’s?
 
Who supported Hitler ? IBM, Prescott Bush, the UK and such, and who accepted Nazis like von Braun and Oppenheimer as immigrants because they were tech whizzes ? Hm......Hiroshima and Nagasaki without "ex-Nazis"....?
 
Without us, SEF, you would be under the yoke of the Germans or the lash of the Soviets. 
 
Without you, we wouldn't have a threat of WW3 now but flourishing economic partnership with Russia. The one thing the US damn fucking doesn't like.
 
Grow up, Jeffrey. Kissing a flag and singing prayers is not what the world needs.
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:11am
BTW: What's the good thing about US society nowadays ? Massive drug addiction ? Gang crime and unhealthy food ? Obese couch potatoes and the dumbest TV program ever ? Low-paid jobs at Wal Mart and crumbling infrastructure ? 
 
Man, do we fucking ever need that LOL
Morgoth Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:22am
@SEF:
”Jeffrey

And Putin is an innocent little lamb?

Not innocent. But REACTING to what happens, not ACTING.”
 
Putin actively involved himself in the US election, his little troll army continues to do the same.  Putin recently attempted to murder a Russian in Britain, along with that man’s daughter.  He successfully assassinated a Russian in Britain in what, 2007, 2008?  He is actively suborning the democratic process in Russia right now.
 
Sound like reacting to you?  

“And Islamic fundamentalists would leave you alone?

If the US hadn't produced them they'd be no problem. Who fucked up Libya, Iraq and Syria, Afghanistan ? Not they. They also.....REACTED.”
 
LOL, the US “produced” them?????  Who did you get that from, Doug?

“And the growing right in Europe simply wants to dial you back to the good old days of the 1930’s?

“Who supported Hitler ?”
 
The right in Germany.
 
“IBM,”
 
Uh-oh, sounds like they should have known what an evil shit he turned out to be.
 
“Prescott Bush,”
 
I have it on best authority that the Bush’s also assassinated Kennedy.
 
“the UK and such,”
 
The U.K. supported Hitler?  No, they allowed him to do his thing but even they had a stopping point.
 
“and who accepted Nazis like von Braun and Oppenheimer as immigrants because they were tech whizzes ? Hm......Hiroshima and Nagasaki without "ex-Nazis"....?”
 
Um, SEF, check your history.  Von Braun came to the US after the invention of the atomic bomb and Oppenheimer was hardly an “ex-Nazi.”

“Without us, SEF, you would be under the yoke of the Germans or the lash of the Soviets.

“Without you, we wouldn't have a threat of WW3 now but flourishing economic partnership with Russia. The one thing the US damn fucking doesn't like.”
 
Don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for Thud.  Thud also likes Putin, remember?  Wasn’t he supposed to keep us out of wars?  Wasn’t that a selling point?
 
As for a “flourishing economic partnership,” what’s stopping you?  Could it be your leaders that distrust Putin?  Seems like it.

“Grow up, Jeffrey.”
 
I grew up long ago, SEF.  At least I don’t believe in whacked out conspiracy theories involving Jews of yore or weird gremlins that blew up the twin towers.
 
“Kissing a flag and singing prayers is not what the world needs.”
 
I’m the last person to kiss a flag or sing a prayer, SEF.  
Morgoth Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:24am
Sorry, point of clarification.  Putin’s little trolls continue to interfere with elections in Europe.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:26am
Jeffrey
 
Trying to get a majority for US trolls here ? Answer me ONE question: Where do you live ? Then we can continue.
George N Romey Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:28am
I’ve seen no credible evidence Putin inserted himself in our elections. I see no threat to the US by Russia. It’s nothing more than Cold War V2.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:33am
BTW: It makes no sense to discuss further. Believe in your American dream. Maybe you have to be so grateful for a life there that you hail everything that they do without further questioning. You wouldn't be the only one. But I assure you that by living in the US you wouldn't have the slightest idea of what really happens.
 
Maybe Noam Chomsky or Paul Craig Roberts for example can help out to see clearer. IF you are ready to take the challenge, that is. Or KenFM on YT. If you understand more than English. Helps sometimes too.
Morgoth Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:33am
I live in the US, SEF.  Why do you need to know?
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:34am
That's what I thought. Otherwise you'd be a bit more .... reflective ?
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:35am
George
 
Thanks.
Morgoth Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:51am
George, Putin's interference is well established.
 
SEF, you were wrong about Oppenheimer, he was born in New York.
 
I am well aware of my country's shortcomings, SEF.  I always find it amusing that people like you stand on a soapbox to shriek about the U.S. and how awful it is.  You remind me of certain country hating leftists I know who live here.  They moan and cry about how awful the U.S. is, like this country is the only one to behave badly.  All countries and societies fuck up, SEF.  It's a human problem, not a U.S. one.  You have your own mini-Thuds in Europe, SEF.  See Hungary and Poland if you don't believe me.
 
BTW, I am a liberal.  
Morgoth Added Apr 12, 2018 - 10:05am
Well, if SEF doesn’t want to discuss this further I won’t.  It wouldn’t do any good, anyway.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 11:47am
A nations economy is something like your body.  It is dynamic and always in motion.  It uses energy and has outputs.  Anything complex also has ways of sampling and feedback, otherwise it goes out of control.  There also has to be intelligence.
 
So, if an economy is organized to steal through prices, then the feedback mechanism is perverted.  If Oligarchy inserts itself into the brain (government), then the brain is perverted.
 
Biological parasitism is a good analogy for what happens to an economy.   So, people blame "America" or "Russia" but what really happens is that small predatory 'GROUPS" invade the body politic and make it go insane.  
 
Does anybody really believe that Russia's long nightmare of Bolshevism was good for the "body."  A parasite had inserted itself and in order to protect its pyramid position in society, it killed of any threats.  Hence, there were some 20M people killed in the Gulags.  These people killed were Christians or any other out-group that was a threat to the in-group.
 
The U.S. is well on its way toward this same status, as a tiny Oligarchical minority is taking rents and absorbing all of the  nations's economic surplus.  Government has now centralized on Washington, and your vote really doesn't matter.  Propaganda is being issued through a megaphone of "corporate media."  Who owns the media?
 
These same like-minded  plutocrats are infested in Brussels, forcing formerly European sovereign nations into compliance they don't want.
 
With regards to America "acting out" that is alwasy against the will of the people.  The parasite has seized the reins of power, and thus this "acting-out" continues despite voting to stop it.  
 
The parasite is many actors working in concert.  In this case it is in-groups with emphasis on the plural.   It is extraction industries (oil and gas), finance (Wall Street and London), AIPAC,  and MIC.
 
The Deep State is all of the above, and Shadow Government is a small part of deep state which is rogue CIA/FBI/NSA.
 
MIC wants their nearly trillion in tax revenue.  OIL and GAS work closely with finance due to petrodollar.  AIPAC represents Israel, Jewish and Financial interests. (You cannot be elected unless AIPAC sanctions and gives ok.)  
 
If you doubt the Israel lobby and AIPAC, then read Mearsheimer's book on Israeli lobby.  
 
We don't know who the dual shitizens are in our government, but since the late 60's our Israeli friends have carved out a legal exception for themselves.  They don't have to reveal their dual loyalties.
 
Now I get back to the biological analogy of a parasite making the brain malfunction.  
 
Let's be a little more intelligent and discerning with our magnifying glass, rather than blaming whole nations and peoples rather than elements within. 
 
 
Katharine Otto Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:03pm
Mefobills,
I stand corrected, and thank you for the explanation.  Your grasp of finance and the difference between sovereign finance and debt is over my head, but I'm getting glimmers of understanding.  It leaves me with the question of what can be done about it.
 
I need to read up on such things as "List's economy."  Also, is "industrial capitalism" what we call "fascism"?  What are the "indulgences" that Luther opposed?  
 
I've also read that American corporations, like Ford, did exceedingly well in 30's era Germany, producing German war machines and the like.  What you wrote above helps explain it.
 
Now I know where you get your pen name.
George N Romey Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:17pm
I agree the system is rotten. While those calling for protest may be well meaning their gestures mean nothing. Certain sympathetic politicians might nod their approval but they are no match for the oligarchs that like the world as is. Why? Because they’ve done so stunningly well over the past 30 years as the masses have been shoved into debt peonage hell.
 
Since everyone needs to justify their means of existence, including politicians and the press we are presented with nonstop spectacle. Everything from the porn star that screwed Trump to the supposedly evil Russians.
 
The sad thing is the real power is actually resides with the masses. If tomorrow people walked away from their debt peonage the entire illegal debt induced Ponzi scheme would fold like a cheap tent. The elites would become paupers overnight.
 
But that’s not going to happen until a crash beyond anything we’ve ever experienced. Even that could easily lead to nuclear war or an even more oppressive form of totalitarianism. Revolutions rarely work out good.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:20pm
 
Kath-
 
I need to read up on such things as "List's economy."  Also, is "industrial capitalism" what we call "fascism"?  What are the "indulgences" that Luther opposed?  
 
Industrial Capitalism was also used in America, and it was called the "American System" by Henry Clay.  It's leading economic thinker was Peshine Smith.  Both Smith and  Frederich List thought the same and had same economic methods.
 
The American system was killed off in 1913 with advent of progressive era acts (Woodrow Wilson).  This converted the economy to financial capitalism, of which we operate under today.   Germany's industrial economy was killed off when America entered WW1 in 1917.   Banking Illuminists use Financial Capitalism to take usury on the world, to then fund their operations.   These same people funded Boslshevism into existence in Russia 1917.
 
I've also read that American corporations, like Ford, did exceedingly well in 30's era Germany, producing German war machines and the like.  What you wrote above helps explain it.
 
You also have to understand the Henry Ford was Jew-Wise, as anybody who has read his Dearbourn Letters knows.  He did not want the U.S. entering into war with Germany.  Henry simply wanted to do business with Germany in peacetime.  Ford plants already in Germany were converted, and of course this happened in the same way that GM factories were converted to make war material in the U.S.     After war broke out, no doubt any profits made in a Ford factory would NOT go back to U.S. stock holders, but instead cycle within German economy.  Please also consider that the Ford Foundation has been invaded by our Cabala friends, and this is something they love to do, to take over their adversary.
 
Fascism
 
Fascism is government directing corporations. 
Industrial Capitalism is Government making Capital (money and human resource) available for private corporations.  This includes making sure people are trained for industry.  There is a difference.
 
Indulgences:
Catholic church due to its debts - especially to Jews, started extracting wealth from its flock.  Indulgences were things the clergy would do for money.  You paid the clergy for special dispensations, especially the reduction of sin.  
 
Jews have been used as foot-soldiers for the Global Mafia.  It goes by different names e.g. Globalists, Illuminists, Mammon.  Cabala is the over-arching religion.  Off shoots are Zohar and Hermeticism.
 
These Magick Relgions go all the way back to Egypt, and are the "hidden verbal tradition" of the Pharisees.  
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:15pm
Jeffrey
 
You don't understand. I don't give a shit about -isms and ideologies anymore, I'm too old for that. Liberals, Progressives, conservatives, libertarians, communists, socialists, so what ?
 
I look at what people DO, not what they say. When they ACT, no matter what it is, it's ok for me. And people who do not act but just write or speak are ..... useless.
 
I'm 60 now, and I don't want to waste time anymore with people who don't ACT. 
Flying Junior Added Apr 13, 2018 - 3:59am
goddammit MEFOBILLS
 
R U sure you are an american?  If not, who the fuck are you
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:19am
Flying Junior,
I have met self-educated men like MEFOBILLS before.
It matters not to me if he is American or not, but I believe he is.
America has been hijacked. I have had to do a lot of soul-searching because of that. 
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:19am
I am gathering that you are a Canadian?
 
Just tell who the fuck you are in Profile.  Then it becomes easier for people to understand your POV.
Flying Junior Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:20am
Pard,
 
I took you to task for you holocaust denial on the other thread.
 
Please report.
 
Good night.
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:35am
Flying Junior,
I saw it.
I do not normally even consider things like the Holocaust. People that I make common cause with, took positions. I am a team player and took a position with them. I can't be silent when my friends take principled positions.
Don't worry, I will never attend anything like a Nazi rally. That isn't my style. 
The Holocaust thing is used to drive a wedge between what could be a brotherhood of tribes.
 
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:48am
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Katharine Otto Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:32pm
Mefobills,
Thanks for the explanation.  It's clear that something has gone terribly wrong with our economic system, and you confirm things I've known or suspected.  You also fill in a lot of blanks and make me aware of how little I know, especially about European history.  
 
I'm particularly intrigued by the distinction between "industrial capitalism" and "finance capitalism."  Industrial capitalism makes sense to a point, but the US government and I disagree about what should be produced.  
Stone-Eater Added Apr 14, 2018 - 6:19am
Katharine
 
The difference between industrial and finance capitalism is that the latter contains only hot air.
Flying Junior Added Apr 17, 2018 - 3:16am
Hey Stone,
 
Here is my latest comment that I posted on the FIELD NEGRO about Cohen.  I had read Cohen, Stormy and his goombahs on Digby's Hullabaloo this morning.  Hilarious parody for American TV viewers of video taken of Cohen walking in downtown Manhattan.
 
Digby posted a decent takedown of Michael Cohen entitled, rel="nofollow">Cohen, Stormy and His Goombahs. It is good information if a little bit biased. I also asked the Great Gazoogol if Cohen was under criminal investigation and found an article on cnn.com that explained just what it is our rocknroll right-wing lawyer is up against.

But it was a little video on twitter quoted by Digby that had me laughing my ass off. Cohen is seen walking down the street in downtown Manhattan. Looking very shady and suspicious indeed. Unaware that he was being filmed. The soundtrack is the legendary opening sequence music to The Sopranos played while Tony is driving his Escalade through the neighborhoods of Jersey. "Woke up this morning..." So after walking about two blocks, Cohen comes upon his buddies sitting in chairs at a sidewalk café. His face brightens. One of the Goombahs gives up his chair so Cohen can sit down and hang with his buddies.

rel="nofollow">Comedy gold.
 
It does not appear that many of your commenters are aware at all just who Michael Cohen is.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 17, 2018 - 1:33pm
Just tell who the fuck you are in Profile.
 
Jawohl Herr Kommandant!
 

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