War is Not Peace!

This article is in response to Expat's "Humanity Lost" bullshit.

 

The author of said believes that 19 terrorists from caves in Afghanistan attacked the most powerful nation in human history AND cannot accept that our government's actions over the past 60+ yrs CREATED those "terrorists", wait I mean "insurgents/rebels".

 

DARE YE NOT, say it's our own fault!  

 

DARE YE NOT, speak the truth or be branded a heretic.

 

Our government does not care about human life, especially the lives of We The People.

 

Let this article stand as a personal testament against these lies, propaganda and pure evil. 

 

I have a higher moral standard. War IS NOT PEACE.  Fomenting "colored revolutions" that go on to kill millions is not "bringing democracy", it's a Crime Against Humanity.

 

Here, review for yourself, those crimes committed in our name.

 

The latest machinations in the Middle East where we are poised to destroy YET another sovereign nation MUST BE STOPPED!

 

And please, gentle reader, understand I do not blame innocent civilians, even the ones here in the US. 

 

We The People, have the highest moral duty to stop the killing, slaughter and genocide perpetrated by our government.

 

If we don't stop the madness, who does?  We are in a unique place of power, IN ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY, we control our government, not some monarch, potentate or religious leader!

 

Don't be fooled by propaganda and misdirected by the lies. Don't be deluded by the blood-lust of others, especially the ones infesting this forum!  They've admitted they make their money on the destruction our military rains down upon the earth!

 

WE CAN STOP THIS! 

 

Speak out, call your Senators, Congress-Critters...HELL, call the damn POTUS.

 

Don't stop calling UNTIL they concede to our demands!

 

"Power concedes nothing without a demand, It never did and it never will!

~ Frederick Douglass

 

Comments

Pardero Added Apr 11, 2018 - 11:40am
Gerrilea, 
Good work, lady! 
At work now. B back ltr.
Dave Volek Added Apr 11, 2018 - 12:07pm
Gerilla
 
The difference between your rant and the rant you referred to was that I could understand what you were trying to say. The main thesis was well laid out and the rant ended with a definite call-to-action.
 
I wasn't too sure about the other guy. It was indeed a rantier rant than yours.
 
Indeed there are ramifications to all the actions we do as individuals, families, communities, and nations. Unfortunately we are not trained to think too far in advance. Whenever I try to bring up secondary ramifications in general conversation, eyes start rolling and forehead are creasing. I have been told not to overthink things.
 
When George W Bush told America he was going to bring democracy Iraq (and I firmly believed that he believed in this), not enough Americans could think this through more fully to stop him.
 
 
 
Cynthia Rouse Added Apr 11, 2018 - 12:08pm
See '9 11 Follow The Missing Trillions' on The Corbett Report. You have to watch the entire piece for the full impact and horror to sink in. Watch it once. Wait a week or ten days and watch it again. The light bulb will go on, as decades of 'normalcy bias' and 'cultural conditioning' melts away as one after the other The Real Terrorists are revealed. Once you see part of it, you see ALL of it and you will realize that this Nation was Gov/jacked decades ago and almost everything you think of as the 'Official Narrative' is a grotesque and Criminal fraud.
Dino Manalis Added Apr 11, 2018 - 12:11pm
War is obviously not peace, we must strive for stability and peace through strength!
Gerrilea Added Apr 11, 2018 - 12:49pm
Dave V-- Yes and thank you. Especially the "trained" part.  Indeed, we are conditioned and compartmentalized, we are not to consider consequences, "Just Do It", as Nike would say.
 
Cynthia Rouse, god bless ya!  I've been supporting Mr. James Corbett for over a decade.  He's done some amazing work.  I have almost all his pod-casts on my external hard drive, as a personal record of the events we are now living through. Rockefeller Medicine, 9-11, his "Meet _____", like Zbigniew Brzezinski and his daughter Mika, the talking-head on MSNBC His "Eye-Opener" Reports, etc.
 
Dino M--- Hummm...please define "strength"?  If it's militarily, I'd agree and disagree.  Military strength that is used to push an agenda of total world domination to protect the bottom line of multi-nationals, I'm against. Military strength to stop those whom have DONE harm against us, I'm for.  Military action to stop "future" and "perceived" threats, I'm against. We are not the policemen of the world.
 
If strength is using NATO or the UN to push an agenda, I'm against. That's not strength, it's conditioning, manipulation and lies.
 
So, how you define "strength" means all the difference in the world.
 
Cynthia Rouse Added Apr 11, 2018 - 12:53pm
My pleasure, dear....
Nice job...
; - )
Pardero Added Apr 11, 2018 - 1:34pm
Gerrilea,
I called the Senator that isn't a total Neo-con war-monger. Not much point in calling the other one.
I hope the rest of  the peace gang makes it over to your new article.
George N Romey Added Apr 11, 2018 - 2:17pm
Americans have lived so long with these low level wars which are grossly under reported they see no threat. Only with a major attack on American soil will they wake up. They won’t think for themselves. They expect to get all they need to know from a Tweet, a FB posting, a Google search and Rachael Maddow.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 11, 2018 - 2:20pm
What if there was a chemical attack? Why does it matter to people who are killed whether it was by bullets, bombs, missiles, or chemicals? Why is it so bad to use chemicals instead of Hellfire missiles? Why is it OK for Washington and Israel to blow up schools, hospitals, weddings, funerals, market places, and homes full of women and children with missiles, but not OK to kill people with chemicals? Why is it worth starting World War 3 over a hoax chemical weapons attack or a real one?
 
Americans, for the most part a clueless people, have no awareness of the risk that the criminally insane government in Washington is taking with their lives. What if the Russians mean what they say and do not again turn the other cheek and back down? What happens if Russia replies to force with force?
 
Why is it that only a few Internet sites are asking this question?
 
Paul Craig Roberts
 
Yes indeed.
 
Why.
 
And why now?
George N Romey Added Apr 11, 2018 - 2:27pm
Because Jeffry talking about which woman Trump had an affair with gets ratings. Talking about what the US is really doing scares people, as well as it should.
Donna Added Apr 11, 2018 - 3:35pm
Great article..Gerrilea,
Watched that with my mom not long ago..To see what really took place, and not the lies we are fed, was amazing! Not that i believe most of what is reported. 
Jeffry
None of this is ok..Never has been,just we the people really have no say, until now, as all are waking up to the blatant lies. Dead is dead, i see them all as the same. I am guessing some are more maybe weirded out by chemicals, as we have never had a major attack of any kind like that here, but i am not so sure it is really happening elsewhere, or if it is all for the sake of we need a war!
George-None of them have the balls to go against trump. Most will retire as we see, before attempting to step up against a loyalist tyrant.Personally that is what i see him as, i also wonder what all those who said Hillary will lead us into war, would say now..oh so quiet..and still loyal to him.
George N Romey Added Apr 11, 2018 - 3:45pm
Think about it. The MIC tried to get JFK to begin nuclear war with Russia over Cuba. Now we have Syria and Trump is no JFK. More to the point this second generation of MIC is no less evil. 
Steve Bull Added Apr 11, 2018 - 5:23pm
While I agree with the sentiment behind the article, I personally lost faith in the political system to 'do the right thing' a long time ago and feel calling/writing/protesting is often (always?) pointless. I believe government is little more than a 'legalized', criminal organization. I no longer waste my time voting for one of the criminals (I reject/decline my ballot when possible)--it's like choosing which slave master will hold the whip. It seems to matter not whether it is the blue, red, or green team holding the reigns of power; the game always remains the same. Even politicians under 'pressure' by voters will tend to placate the masses through lovely speeches/words and a few meaningless actions and then do whatever the hell they're told by the 'deep state' or 'financial/corporate oligarchs' who pull their strings. Representative democracy is a sham sold to the people because it's a bit more effective and efficient than repressive, tyrannical government; but the endgame is always the same. 
I honestly don't know if there is an answer to the insanity (I kind of like the idea of anarchy in its traditional sense of voluntary organizations that work at a local level--as soon as government is located in some distant capital and expands beyond the local community, all sorts of shenanigans emerge). In the words of one of my favourite Canadian bands in the '80 (Men Without Hats): I may not know what's right, but I know this can't be it!
George N Romey Added Apr 11, 2018 - 5:40pm
Steve the closest we had was the 50s and most of the 60s when enough Americans were so happy and fat (by 1970 about 75% of Americans were part of the then very prosperous middle class) no one really cared to look behind the curtain. Other than hippies not wanting to fight in Vietnam (for good reason) and African Americans void of the American Dream.
 
Ultimately, the corporate and Wall Street Deep State got greedy. Should have left the middle class intact, willing to believe anything in exchange for a nice home, nice car, nice vacation, stable job and some money in the bank with little debt.
Pardero Added Apr 11, 2018 - 5:44pm
Steve Bull,
+100 for a Men Without Hats reference. 
By the way, I ripped off your Heinlein quote a while back. 
You are first string varsity, in our war on perpetual war. 
 
I need to get home and play:
Pop Goes The World ; )
Steve Bull Added Apr 11, 2018 - 6:08pm
Padero
Thanks. You may like this other favourite quote of mine from another of my favourite '80s bands (from the department of the redundancy department) The The: I use to be indecisive, now I'm not so sure...
James Travil Added Apr 11, 2018 - 7:03pm
"What if there was a chemical attack? Why does it matter to people who are killed whether it was by bullets, bombs, missiles, or chemicals?"
Because the United States is killing people in the middle east with bombs and bullets (etc) daily, and we are the "good guys" so it's not murder when we do it like that for "humanitarian reasons". No hypocrisy in that whatsoever (*sarcasm*).
Pardero Added Apr 11, 2018 - 7:27pm
Steve Bull,
Hehe.
I may have to go digging for a The The album with the bayoneted dove on the cover. I cannot imagine you missed Split Enz, I Got You, since you liked Men Without Hats.  I was a sucker for catchy tunes.
 
Good one James Travil.
The false flag in Syria is much more important than the genocide in Yemen. It seems to depend on who is doing the killing. The Saudis got a makeover. They are all Mr. Wonderful now." What Yemeni genocide?"
A broken country like Libya is worth it to stop a bad man. (sarc)
Steve Bull Added Apr 11, 2018 - 7:37pm
Padero
I worked as a DJ at Western University's student radio station (CHRW) for a bit while I was there (spent the entire decade of the '80s chasing various degrees at Western, McMaster, and Brock) and use to DJ parties/dances for a bit of income. I still have my record collection intact.
Perhaps what is most apropos for the topic at hand would be Frankie Goes to Hollywood's When Two Tribes Go To War! As they say, War, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing!
Pardero Added Apr 11, 2018 - 7:55pm
Steve Bull,
You rock!
Before I sleep because I work tonight, Ivwill leave you with this:
Besides tiny local radio stations in tiny towns for local news and country music, I mostly grew up on powerhouse 14 CFUN. Great songs! 
Pardero Added Apr 11, 2018 - 7:56pm
Steve Bull,
The Black Pigeon is from B.C. ?
Steve Bull Added Apr 11, 2018 - 8:00pm
Padero
Let's bring in some contemporary Canadian Rock that is relevant to today's insanity. Nickelback's Edge of a Revolution hit home to me. I'm posting the song's entire lyrics for those who aren't familiar with it:
"Edge Of A Revolution"
 
Head high, protest line
"Freedom" scribbled on your sign
Headline, New York Times
Standing on the edge of a revolution

Hey, hey, just obey.
Your secret's safe with the NSA
In God we trust or the CIA?
Standing on the edge of a revolution

Yeah, we're standing on the edge of a revolution
Revolution, revolution, revolution

No, we won't give up, we won't go away
'Cause we're not about to live in this mass delusion
No, we don't wanna hear another word you say
'Cause we know they're all depending on mass confusion
No, we can't turn back, we can't turn away
'Cause it's time we all relied on the last solution
No, we won't lay down and accept this fate
'Cause we're standing on the edge of a revolution

Wall Street, common thief
When they get caught they all go free
A brand new yacht and a finders fee
Standing on the edge of a revolution

Same shit, different day
Can't keep fed if I can't get paid
We'll all be dead if the shit don't change
Standing on the edge of a revolution

Yeah, we're standing on the edge of a revolution
Revolution, revolution, revolution

No, we won't give up, we won't go away
'Cause we're not about to live in this mass delusion
No, we don't wanna hear another word you say
'Cause we know they're all depending on mass confusion
No, we can't turn back, we can't turn away
'Cause it's time we all relied on the last solution
No, we won't lay down and accept this fate
'Cause we're standing on the edge of a revolution

We'll all be dead if this shit don't change
(Hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey...)

What do we want? We want change
And how're we gonna get there? Revolution
What do we want? We want change
Standing on the edge of a revolution

What do we want? We want change
And how're we gonna get there? Revolution
What do we want? We want change
Standing on the edge of a revolution

No, we won't give up, we won't go away
'Cause we're not about to live in this mass delusion
No, we don't wanna hear another word you say
'Cause we know they're all depending on mass confusion
No, we can't turn back, we can't turn away
'Cause it's time we all relied on the last solution
No, we won't lay down and accept this fate
'Cause we're standing on the edge of a revolution

What do we want? We want change
And how're we gonna get there? Revolution
What do we want? We want change
Standing on the edge of a revolution

What do we want? We want change
And how're we gonna get there? Revolution
What do we want? We want change
Standing on the edge of a revolution
_______
And being a good Canadian boy, I'm off to my senior league's playoff hockey game...number one aim nowadays playing is to return home uninjured;)
Pardero Added Apr 11, 2018 - 9:57pm
Hey everybody!
Check out this video of Syrian child crisis actors. Note the terrorist flag on the wall.
 
https://youtu.be/gc9UnnGdQJ4
James Travil Added Apr 11, 2018 - 11:44pm
That video puts me in mind of the psyops that CNN ran regarding Syria using a little Syrian girl. They interviewed her in English and she obviously doesn't even know English or understand anything she said. Complete scripted propaganda and proof that you can never trust the mainstream media. The BBC pulled a similar stunt. If anyone is interested I'll look for the link to it all. 
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:02am
Pardero, Thank you for the support and the comments.  I saw the making of the Aleppo Boy False Flag over a year ago. It was all staged.  This surely is no different.  Thank you for taking a moment and calling your Senator.  I called them as well. It might be a meaningless gesture but I do recall we crashed their system when the House was going to vote on the Banker Bail Out...the 1st time 'round.
 
We could do it again, I'm sure.
 
Steve B-- I understand your frustrations and disgust and I agree as well but I still vote. The more whom vote, the more votes they have to flip, not count and "lose".  The charade will become clear to all.  At least that's my theory.  
 
I love the music choices you presented.  I haven't thought about those one-hit wonders for years.  Men Without Hats, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, Dead or Alive. The "B" side of the 45 singles were sometimes just as good.  I got rid of my vinyl collection when Columbia House had all those CD's for $1. Yes I was an idiot back then.  :)
 
Jeffry G & James T--- To answer your rhetorical question: It doesn't matter how one dies, you're still dead.  The false narrative just convinces me more that it's all false.
 
George R-- Yes, so true but they needed all of us in the same boat to control...they had to destroy the middle class, there were too many of us that could survive without them OR could rise up, ARMED to the teeth... Think about it. 
 
The Baby Boomers became the middle class and their hard work and morality (limited as it was) built the multi-national empires today.  The monies they had supported them and their children and their grandchildren.  NOW there's no money left and the guns are almost gone.  Here in NYS we used to have a solid middle class that went big game hunting and thinned the deer herds.  Today, there are very few hunters and millions of them and they don't know what to do.
 
As for where people get their "news" from, it's infotainment, nothing more.  Most can't be bothered by something unless it slaps them in the face.
 
Donna--Thanks, let's hope millions of other Americans are understanding what we do. Recall prior to Bush's War in Iraq?  The largest protests in human history occurred, all over the planet.  I read the numbers were almost 500 million, 1/4 of all humans.  Today, people are distracted by and consumed with trivialities on their FB page, who said what to whom on Tweeter, etc.
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:15am
Flying J---Sweet...you have provided nothing to establish you have anything even close to the "truth" to do battle with me.  I'm fairly confident I know exactly what I posted, after all, I did post it.  I tried to correct a couple typo's and copied & pasted and it seems each link as a few extra characters... I'll try to clean it up a bit.
James Travil Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:16am
Flying Junior, just another brainwashed close-minded simpleton who can't handle the truth regarding 9/11.
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:17am
Flying J-- Here's the "cleaner" version of my posting.
 
Flying J-- How wonderful, I was wondering if you were ever going to show up to insult me, create strawmen and then add nothing to the conversation.
 
Well done! You made my night.  I was worried I scared you off in the last thread. You couldn't handle the truth then and you surely still can't now.
 
But I digress.
 
I've forgotten more knowledge than you'll ever be able to learn, in multiple lifetimes.  This is my answer to your "Conspiracy Theory" of those 19 trained Saudi's living in San Diego.
 
target="_blank">Loose Change, Volume II
 
When you're done with that.
 
target="_blank">9/11 Trillions: Follow the Money
 
When you're done with that.
 
target="_blank">What You Are Not Being Told About the Afghanistan War
 
When you're done with that.
 
target="_blank">Architects and Engineers: Solving the Mystery of Building 7
 
When you're done with that.
 
target="_blank">Benazir Bhutto Admits Osama Bin-Laden died in 2001
 
When you're done with that.
 
target="_blank">The Impossible Case of Flight 77
 
When you're done with that.
 
target="_blank">Hillary Clinton Admits the CIA Started & Funded Al Qaeda
 
Flying J, just so you are aware, you entered here, unarmed & truly unprepared.  It matters not if they were in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, San Diego, Florida or the caves of Afghanistan.  The only time the physics of the known Universe failed... not once, not twice BUT three times...ON...9-11.   Never before or since has a steel framed building fallen down from a fire.  Steel melts at 2795*F and jet fuel burns at 680*F, over 2100*F difference.  Meaning, the jet fuel could never have reached temperatures high enough to even "soften" the steel.
 
You can quote Wikipedia all day, all night and from now until eternity actually comes to an end...I will proudly admit that I'm a 9-11 Conspiracy Nut.
 
I deal in facts, not supposition, not fictionalized movies and surely not anything our government claims.
 
Hey but did you get a chance to call your Senator, Congress-Critter or the POTUS?  I left links in the article for you.
 
:)
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:29am
James T-- Dang it, the extra characters are there again and I've refreshed the page and Flying J's posts are gone.  He deleted them.
 
That wasn't fair, now it looks like I'm talking to myself.  Sly devil he is...I LOVE IT...
 
ROFL
James Travil Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:38am
Gerrilea, I have never given much thought to conspiracy theories including those regarding 9/11. But I have an open mind and will follow any and all information to it's conclusion. The information you presented is undeniable. Especially the stuff about Building 7, and the melting point of steel vs. the temperature of burning jet fuel. Until someone presents an explanation for these anomalies I will remain sceptical to the now debunked official story. Thanks for the information, while close minded Flying Junior does not appreciate it, I do.   
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:50am
Good article and comment string :-) And I love Split Enz ;-)
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:52am
James T-- Thank you.  My journey down the Rabbit Hole started with the video/documentary..."Loose Change".  I stumbled onto Architects and Engineers months/years later and then James Corbett.
 
Simple physics reveals the truth.  Including the impossible path of flight 77 and the hole it couldn't have left in the side of the Pentagon.
 
 
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:29am
Steve Bull,
Enjoyed the lyrics!
 
Stone-eater,
Good to see you at Gerrilea's new article! 
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:00am
Pard
 
Anytime :) After Dump's new efforts to push for WW3 reasonable voices are needed !
George N Romey Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:45am
Talk to any commercial airline pilot about the impossibilities that happened that day. 
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:48am
Stone-E-- There were only a couple of reasons I voted "for" Trump.  His position on illegal/legal immigration, his position on the 2nd A, his position on NOT attacking Syria, Russia or starting WWIII....the majority of the reason I voted the way I did is simple, "anybody but Hillary".  We'd already been in WWIII & her crimes as SOS and the creation and funding of "Al Nursra/White Helmets" that cut the head off a 12 yr old disabled boy.
 
A hot-head with no experience or a person whom committed Crimes Against Humanity?   I had no other moral choice.  I was a bit surprised he actually is going for that wall, however.  I thought he was blowing smoke up people's butts...Hey but we could seriously use security on the border anyways.
 
Trumps 180* turn means they have something on him, something big or he was/is a Manchurian Candidate all along.
 
George R-- It truly is so much easier to have blissful ignorance.  I really enjoy Neil Diamond's music and his "America" summed up my youthful naivete.  Now, when I hear it, I feel sick to my stomach at the reality we've become & sadly, always were...true terrorists.
 
 
George N Romey Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:51am
Trump has skeletons in his closet. A man like him being a King of real estate must. The question being are any of them the kind that could put him behind bars. So far the public seems to have forgiven a lot like Trump University.
Bill Kamps Added Apr 12, 2018 - 11:34am
Gerrilea, assuming the terrorists committed the attacks on 9/11, the response of the USA far exceeded what is reasonable.  Invading two countries, one of which had nothing to do with 9/11, spending several trillion dollars, and killing 10s of thousands of innocent people, is hardly a sane response to the events on 9/11.
 
Perhaps as some suggest,  9/11 was planned in the Roosevelt Room, with Bush, and the heads of various defense contractors.  Perhaps they found some pilots to fly the planes into the towers with promises to make their families rich afterward. Then they planned the decades long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and how many tanks, bullets, and guns would be purchased to fuel these wars.  After Obama was elected, they again visited the Roosevelt Room and reminded him of who is really running the show, and said he had no choice but to churn through another eight years of bullets, rockets, and bombs. 
 
Maybe as some has suggested Trump and the MICs want WWIII, but if that is the case why havent they started it?  If they did 9/11, they didnt need an excuse for that, why do they need more of an excuse to nuke North Korea or Iran?  Both have broken promises, both have threatened us or our allies. If they want WWIII, what are they waiting for?  He doesnt need to play around with Syria, he can just fire off the nukes, and game is on.  After the war starts no one is going to care how it started.  Trump might not be re-elected so what exactly is he waiting for ? 
 
WWIII would take people's mind off Trump's legal problems, he  would have to deal with Congress, and the headaches like DACA would disappear.  
Dave Volek Added Apr 12, 2018 - 11:43am
Bill H
 
Nice analysis. In international affairs, I don't think anyone really knows what they should be doing. It's sort of like a symphony orchestra with no idea what music they are going to play. The violins start something, and everyone joins in as best they can.
 
 
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 12:56pm
Bill K--- Interesting synopsis.  9-11 was intended to pass the "Patriot Act", to galvanize Americans into extreme factions and usher in the New American Police State, Inc. under an American New World Order. 
 
Put simply: Control of everyone and everything, everywhere.
 
They needed us to be compliant, submissive and disarmed for their plans to take over the entire planet to succeed.  War was/is just one part of a 4 part strategy:
 
-->> Repositioning Today's Force
-->> Rebuilding Today's Armed Forces
-->> Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force
-->> Defense Spending
 
The Project for the New American Century, or PNAC stated their goals in a "white paper" published in 2000, titled:
 
"Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century."
 
The original cover of their white paper had an image of the Twin Towers in the crosshairs of a rifle scope.  And oddly, my internet sleuthing comes up dry for that image, it's been scrubbed.  They said we needed a "new Pearl Harbor" and low and behold, they got one.
 
Their plan was to invade 8 nations: Iraq, Libya, Lebanon, Sudan/Somalia, Yemen, SYRIA and finally Iran. They threw in Afghanistan as a bonus prize it seems.
 
The founding members of said "Think Tank" are, among others, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, JOHN BOLTON, Paul Wolfowitz, the Kagan Family--Robert, Donald & Frederick. William Kristol, Charles Krauthammer James Woolsey and Steve Forbes.
 
The same Kagan family that boasts, Elena Kagan as an Associate Justice On the Supreme Court.
 
The "think tank" shut down after they accomplished their goals in 2007, I believe.
 
George N Romey Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:00pm
Iran I believe is the ultimate prize but the one that is going to cost the most lives and money. Not to mention taking down any involvement from Russia or China.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:25pm
A lot of US soldiers probably stopped believing they were fighting for the good a long time ago. This could have massive consequences in the outcome of a major war. A lot of Americans would be hoping Putin wins.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:57pm
Gerri
 
I voted the way I did is simple, "anybody but Hillary".
 
I know. When you have no choice you choose what you think is the lesser evil. If I were American I'd have voted the same way. The whole system is sick.
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:17pm
Flying J--- 9-11 and the machinations creating that event are immaterial, at the moment.  It would help you understand why I'm against endless unfunded wars that have killed 100's of thousands and bankrupted this nation and stolen our rights, one at a time.  
 
The laws of physics were suspended on that day & hopefully you can concede that's impossible.  If you decided to delve further, I've compiled the most pertinent facts for you to understand the grand scope of the deception. If you decide truth is better than fiction, be warned, your blissful ignorance will be shattered.
 
I have no desire to debate the subject unless we agree that the scientific and physical laws that govern our universe do not AND cannot change.  The issue was settled for me over a decade ago.
 
That aside, the Syrian government has done nothing to us and even if the chemical attack is real AND caused by them, entering into WWIII over it is pure insanity and suicide.  There will be no one left to claim victory over the "bad guys".
 
The US & NATO against Russia & China...we ALL lose, even the Syrians, and all living animals on this planet, for the next 4,5 billion years.
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:37pm
Gerri
 
You make a mistake. The PEOPLE of Europe are not NATO. It's our slavish governments. And, take us Swiss, Hungary, Austria for example - they are no more following US doctrine which is all selfish for their own profit. If they call us Nazis or whatever: WE did not cause the refugee problem at our doorstep. It's that far away country we call Die Verunreinigten Staaten von Amerika LOL
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:42pm
BTW:
 
That's why we all apply to you: Get rid of the bastard that rule you. Like you did in Vietnam. Show us that you can again be an example of what a new, tolerant and modern country can be.
 
But not with assholes like Dump who names other countries as shitholes, therefore showing what a shitass HE is by such comments....
George N Romey Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:54pm
The cabal is global albeit many reside in the US. Their dream is a very small elite state supported by whatever serfs are needed to do the work the bots and AI can’t. They see no need for a middle and upper middle class. Too many to share the spoils with.
 
Their strategy is to kill off the “ unneeded billions” economically and if need be by war. They are evil through and through.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:07pm
George
 
October 2018 in Senegal. Then you might forget these assholes LOL
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:09pm
BTW: You know the offer stands. And that counts for all my friends on WB. Except for Expat who thinks I'm an asshole bugger who exploits Africans to feel myself better.
James Travil Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:14pm
"James,
 
If your mind was any narrower, you could hide it behind a toothpick." 
 
Well unlike you I have my limits. Like I don't believe that the laws of physics can be suspended as you apparently do. That's not open minded that's just nuts. 
George N Romey Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:24pm
If one goes through the events of 9-11 it’s impossible, including what happened with the aircraft. I can’t say exactly what happened but the official scenario is beyond far fetched. We may never know.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:22pm
Gerrilea,
Your article inspired a great thread. I enjoyed your own detailed comments.
 
Flying Junior,
I expect more out of you than ad hominem attacks against James Travil. Do the ad hominems mean that you are unable to refute his statements?
We know you are a New Deal liberal. Does that mean that you can't be civil?
James has some liberal leanings, but you can't learn about people when you are insulting them.
Some of us, with disparate views, are forming a peace gang. Funny that the right is more tolerant than the "tolerant left."
All aboard the peace train.
Thanks for your hospitality, Gerrilea.
Gerrilea Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:01pm
Pardero---thanks, it's nice to have an honest and sometimes contentious civil debate.  We can advance our own ideas, hone in on what we really think, believe & feel.  It's a great exercise, both mental and spiritual.
Cynthia Rouse Added Apr 13, 2018 - 9:57am
See pentagon/cia Class of 2000/2001 to see the Rogues Gallery that Govjacked our Nation and steered the Terror Ship of State straight into the iceberg.
Gerrilea Added Apr 13, 2018 - 5:49pm
Cynthia R-- Yep and I'm sure that was their plan all along...they will make billions on the put options when the house of cards collapses.
George N Romey Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:01pm
We’re into the soup now. Wonder how Russia is going to react? How many countries are we bombing now?
Gerrilea Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:25pm
George-- The only hope this planet has is Russia not attacking us in response.  We won't know until morning, if we make it through the night.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2018 - 1:43am
The only hope this planet has is Russia not attacking us in response.
 
With any luck at all they'll sink the DUHmerican ships and bomb the airbases these DUHmerican terrorist attacks were launched from. 
 
A 200 megaton airburst over the Swamp would be good too. 
 
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:19am
Jeffry G-- De ja vu?!  Here, let me copy and paste my last reply.
 
Jeffry G-- Boy would I love to believe something would be done.  I fear this is all part of the show.  If the Russians & Iranians & Chinese all back down, this world is theirs, the creatures of the swamp.
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 14, 2018 - 7:21am
I hope that the Russians will make it clear to the US that their empire dreams are not endless...
Eric Reports Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:13am
War in Syria now, based on the fact that we still don't know where the poison gas came from...unless it came from us.  Every time we destroy a Middle-Eastern regime, it is one that won't use our Petro-$.
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:19am
Eric R-- Did Syria start trading in Yuan?  I didn't see that.  It would make sense.
George N Romey Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:20am
Exactly right. If Russia, China and Iran let this go unchallenged the neocons will be on never ending war. However I would have to wonder how will Iran respond. You know they are next on the target list.
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:46am
George R--  If anything was going to happen, they'd have nuked Israel already.
 
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 11:18pm
Gerrilea,
This is a fabulous article. I am happy that you got a lot of likes, even without support from all the war-mongers. 
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:58am
I would like to have a rapprochement with Pardero and James.
 
I'm just thinking that the way that neither one of you seem to be willing to give an inch to tolerate or accommodate other beliefs...
 
Yes, it is narrow-minded.  I am constantly seeking common ground with conservatives.  I don't need any more liberal friends.
Gerrilea Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:11am
Flying J-- My suggestions would be to stop putting people into boxes & stop calling names.  No one sees the world exactly the same or has the same beliefs, on any subject.  Many don't take the time to understand the history & its impact.  Why, where, when, how.
 
We'll never formulate legitimate public policies or find "common ground" if these things aren't done first. If we can't agree on the facts, what's the point?
 
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:24am
Flying Junior,
I thought we could be friends. Then I see you over there ganging up on James Travil, with your new war-monger pal, EXPAT.
Some of us get really wound up over the carnage of war. It nearly makes us physically ill. 
It is damned serious business. You guys managed to bait James until he got upset. We care about our fellow humans, even the brown ones that the Neo-cons like to kill by the droves.
I am willing be friends with any reasonable person. You are an interesting guy. A Renaissance man, compared to me. I was bitter and crushed when Pat Buchanan got clobbered in the primary. I was miserable the entire time Shrub was in office. I changed parties and became a precinct captain for Obama, I was so upset. He sold out to the War Party. Now Trump is selling out to the War Party. 
 
 
George N Romey Added Apr 15, 2018 - 7:47am
Actually Iran has shown great restraint. But again they are the end game and Russia is on their side. Go back to what Wesley Clark wrote. This incident might not cause an all out war (unless our stupidity kills Russians living in Syria) but something down the road will. The neocons want their retribution from  1962 when JFK humiliated them. (And got a bullet to his brain for what he did .)
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 8:27am
George N Romey,
The neocons have hijacked our country. They are a bunch of chicken hawks. A bunch of cowards that send our fine troops to places that have nothing to do with defense of America.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:21am
to places that have nothing to do with defense of America.
 
Damn skippy.
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:42am
FJ
 
You're too concentrated on -ism stuff. What is a liberal to you ? Liberal comes from "liberty" - "freedom" (Business). Are you a "Libertarian", which is also for "freedom" (Business) ? Or a conservative who wants his rights to be free of government, as "Libertarians", because conservatives also believe in "freedom" (Business) ?
 
Or...can you define "freedom" to me ? A stupid European asks.. Why ? Because "freedom's just another word...." you know ?
 
And neocapitalist business liberty has always ended in the so-called American Dream for a small circle of people. 
 
What the fuck is wrong TRYING to be a socalist ? Is it a PERVERSION to wish that all of uf have better life ? If that's the case, I really believe I have to look for 42.
Gerrilea Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:39pm
Flying J-- There is nothing wrong with wishing we all have a better life.  The difference is how we accomplish it.
 
I recall this old saying, it goes like this: "Feed a man a meal, he's full for a day; Teach him how to feed himself, he'll be fed for a lifetime."
 
That's the crux of our differences. 
 
I wasn't aware that you are European. There is a huge foundational difference between Americans & Europeans. We were taught that we are all born equal and our success or failure is based on how hard we work for it.  
 
Those whom wish to be successful, work and work hard doing it. 
 
We Americans, and the nation we built. are the most productive nation in history.  We work 137 hrs a year more than the Japanese, 269 hrs more than the British and 499 more hrs than the French.  AND our productivity has gone up 400% since 1950.
 
I went to college myself. I worked 2 full time jobs AND went to school full-time. I didn't get handouts, I didn't get "scholarships" because of my race.  I didn't get brainwashed into believing I'm a victim and the world owes me. 
 
I was already given the greatest gift anyone could ask for, life itself.
 
This is where our concept of FREEDOM comes from.  We are free to be whatever we desire. IF we fail, we have no one to blame but ourselves.  Don't tell me I must live in your world or in your boxes. Don't tell me that I must surrender my will for the "greater good"!
 
Sadly, that's exactly what our educational system does. It's designed to destroy the individual, compartmentalize their brain and fill the compartments with opinions and beliefs that are not always their own.
 
I was like you, once.  IT took years to deprogram myself. To ask question after question. Who's morality do I possess? Are my thoughts the product of my own beliefs or those of others?
 
This is why I say:  Freedom isn't for the weak or uninitiated.
 
It's so much easier to believe that society owes me something.
It's so much easier to blame my failures on others.
It's so much easier to accept the conditioning.
 
NO, I do not exist for the advancement of others OR society.
 
George N Romey Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:26pm
When social mobility dies so does freedom. We’re moving towards an age of modern serfdom. Part of the problem is we have somehow convinced ourselves a college degree equates to intelligence, ability and tenacity.
 
The far right says just work harder even as the system has become birth right chosen. The left wants everyone to go to college even though that increasingly is a very bad investment.
 
The elitist establishment has taken the US towards a 2 class society, similar to what most of mankind had been. The Great American experiment that raised both my parents out of poverty is dying while people argue out of date and no longer applicable “isms.”
 
Gerrilea Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:58pm
George-- Sadly I agree. Working hard & doing the right thing is immaterial. As I noted above, our productivity has increased by 400%, but clearly our standard of living has not. We went from 1 parent working, having a good home, schools & retirement...to both parents required to work with no benefits, no home & no retirement.
 
If both extremes of political ideology stopped labeling, arguing and fighting....they might actually understand this AND vote them all out of office.
 
That was my hope with the Tea Party & then Occupy before they were infiltrated & then co-opted.   Had their various messages actually been implemented, by just 20% of the people...the system would have collapsed.  We could have cleaned house and held the criminals accountable.
 
I wouldn't have been left with the lessor of 2 evils and been forced to vote against Killary for a selfish little boy.
 
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 16, 2018 - 4:00am
Pardero,
 
You are losing it.  The only thing I seem to have in common with EXPAT is a regard for American citizens.  In the particular, American citizens that resisted, defended and risked their lives to save, rescue and offer medical treatment to as many Americans as possible as they could.
 
First responders come to mind.  I have heard, watched and read personal accounts of the New York Police Department and the New York Fire Department.  I have read about guys that inhaled so much toxic dust that they developed pulmonary disease.  It was the better part of fourteen years ago.  I listened to a NYFD guy who had pulmonary disease so bad that he couldn't sleep lying down.  He had to sit up to maximise his ability to breathe.  He spent most of his time in a chair just trying to stay alive.
 
My wife had a first cousin.  His name was Francis Deming.  Look him up in the context of September 11, 2001.  His last words are recorded.  "Get down low so you can breathe better," he told the group.  And then, "What happened to the people who were behind us?"
 
I met his Dad at Skaneateles Lake of the Finger Lakes of Upper State New York in August of 2003,  It was a family reunion.  I met the Deming clan as well as everyone from the Wiggins side of the family.  Michael Deming invited all of us to his home in Auburn, New York for a remembrance party that evening.  The next day, he invited Mrs. Junior and myself, as well as her great-uncle, Walter Wiggins to visit the Willard Chapel where I was happy to play a one-hundred year old organ that was in perfect condition and perfect tune.  It was a tracker organ.  I actually had the chance to see a similar instrument in disrepair in New Jersey.
 
Michael Deming is my second cousin.  He is the caretaker of the Willard Chapel in Auburn New York
 
Just about the only thing that I have in common with EXPAT is that we are both American citizens who care about the same things.
 
Neither one of us is willing to listen to cheap conspiracy that demean the experience of September 11, 2001.
George N Romey Added Apr 16, 2018 - 8:16am
I lived in NYC at the time so I know first hand what it was like. I firmly believe based upon the evidence the official 9-11 narrative is false. We probably will never fully know what really happened. That doesn’t take away from the horrors suffered and those tasked with clearing the toxic mix and finding dead bodies.
 
The original “truther movement” started with airline pilots and that day the industry lost dozens of its own. 
Pardero Added Apr 16, 2018 - 9:31am
Flying Junior,
I hope that nothing I said could be construed to diminish the loss of life and suffering from the attack on 9/11.
It is not my intention to link any propaganda or sinister manipulation in Syria to any other incidents. All incidents should be considered independently. I am with George, in that no matter the cause, the victims deserve our sympathy.
Gerrilea Added Apr 16, 2018 - 11:37am
Flying J-- I have the utmost respect for the human tragedy 9-11 created, especially for the families whom lost loved ones. 
 
The Jersey Girls, whom lost their husbands, kept demanding an investigation. 911 Families members pushed for a new investigation and a release of the 28-pages, both groups even teamed up with Press For Truth and put out a documentary back in 2006
 
Both groups supported Architects & Engineers that debunked almost all aspects of the "official story" especially the NIST "findings", with actual science.
 
I'm truly sorry for the loss your in-laws experienced and the sobering aftermath and memorials. 
 
All most of us want/wanted is the truth and for it to never happen again to any American.  To hold criminally accountable those whom failed us on that day.
 
On the bright side, I have friends in Auburn, NY.  I'm actually from Binghamton, NY.  What a small world it is indeed. I have some wonderful college pictures of all of us in Auburn, what wonderful memories.
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Apr 16, 2018 - 8:12pm
@Gerrilea. Was there a novel or something named War and  Peace. If so the, diminished intellect of those in the White House may have presented it to the president as the War on Peace. 
Gerrilea Added Apr 17, 2018 - 9:12am
Dr R Green-- NOW that was funny... Hasn't that been the motto of our government ever since the end of WWII?
 
I think so.
 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 17, 2018 - 1:30pm
Used to eat at Doug's in Skaneateles from time to time. If I recall there was a steamer that catered to the tourist crowd.
Flying Junior Added Apr 18, 2018 - 4:16am
Okay
Gerrilea Added Apr 19, 2018 - 2:16am
Jeffrey G--- Dang it, you were almost in my backyard! ROFL.
 
The Finger Lakes are truly beautiful, especially in the fall.
 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 19, 2018 - 2:44am
Went up the 17 from the City and passed right through B-ton on the way via Cortland and up 41 then back down the other side of the lake. Mind you this was decades ago

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