Happy Holocaust Day! Wait, Which Holocaust?

Today is Holocaust Remembrance Day - the random day in which we are supposed to solemnly reminisce box office hits like 'The Pianist', 'Schindler's List', 'Life is Beautiful' and so many others.  We repeat catchy phrases like 'never again'.  Fuzzy, black & white images click through our minds eye, each click poking guilt at us for alleged 'Nazi' atrocities perpetrated against Eastern European/Zionist Khazars that like to call themselves "Jews".

 

The "holocaust" was not a one time event.  It happened several times, allegedly, in the last few centuries alone. http://balder.org/judea/Six-Million-140-Occurrences-Of-The-Word-Holocaust-And-The-Number-6,000,000-Before-The-Nuremberg-Trials-Began.php . And if the word "holocaust" was not used, the number 6 Million was.  http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=24369 .  Palestinian emigration of Eastern European "Jews" began shortly after the birth of Zionism.  They were herding to the Holy Land precipitously before WWI.  Then the Balfour Declaration occurred in 1917, allowing for a sudden and strange, backstage capitulation of the German Government despite their winning momentum on the front in WWI. 

 

1905

 

1921

 

 

1939

 

As you can see, all the way up until 1939, 6 Million was the drumbeat.  In case it's not obvious, the author is not a Rabbi, so I won't delve into the scriptures that Eastern European "Jews" embrace, but that's where the magic number originates - from scripture.  In many repeated attempts over decades, the 6 Million in jeopardy/murdered tagline came and went.  But for the establishment of Zion, the use of the word "holocaust" and the very rough, ever-changing figures of 6 Million dead "Jews", and mythical claims of evil German efficiency, the last one stuck.  Images are powerful and most people aren't investigatory and forensic in their thinking.  Many people never get passed the shock of the images themselves, and once told it was 'Nazis' who made it happen, with malicious intent, their minds are made up...just like with the recent videos of atrocities in Syria.  They show shocking images of people suffering, tell us it was Assad, and "let's get some missiles and bombs ready!".

 

Well time and truth are catching up to the myths of gas chambers and death by trickery.  This is Holocaust Remembrance Day, and I implore the world that it's a day to remember a great deception by the Khazars/"Jews" whom occupy the Holy Land and terrorize Palestinians. 

 

Disclaimer:  Not every person who was born as an Eastern European Jew is guilty of something just because they were born as such.  This is not about race or religion, fascism or communism, Hitler or Jews.  Neither was WWII.  This is about truth.  Today, remember that there were no gas chambers.  A lot of innocent people died, of all faiths and ethnicities in WWII, including persecution based on the language they spoke or the sound of their last name.  It happened to everyone, including Eastern European "Jews", but it happened on no greater scale than to the German people.  More innocent Germans were persecuted, tortured, murdered and displaced than any other in WWII.  The terrorist fire-bombing of German cities was the real holocaust.

Comments

Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:11pm
Tom C. Purcell,
This is some interesting material. There is a lot to consider here.
That number is so familiar, going back to the 1860s, if I recall. Amazing coincidence.
I wanted to say that we have some new and old writers, some you may like. Hoping you can patronize their articles and hit the like button if you see merit. Check them out.
Not mine, necessarily, since I am swamped with likes. ; )
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:17pm
Hey, look!!!!  Tom is embarrassing himself again!!!!!!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:21pm
This should make you happy, Tom:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/12/us/holocaust-education.amp.html
 
In spite of the propaganda of Schindler’s List, people’s memory is fading about the event itself.  Unfortunately for you only about 4% claimed to be deniers.  Also, sadly for you, 93% think that it should be taught in schools.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:27pm
If someone makes some news about a mass shooter shooting 100 victims, there is a class of people that think that they have a moral obligation to believe out of respect for the victims. A good way to make money could be to post something about a mass shooting and have a donate button.
 
What do people think about the Bolshevik revolution being taught in schools ?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:31pm
The Bolshevik Revolution is something called “history,” Doug.  As such it’s a good idea to bring it up.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:33pm
Pardero,
 
Thanks for the notice on talent.  New writers have been raising the bar on WB lately.  That's excellent for WB.
 
"That number is so familiar, going back to the 1860s, if I recall. Amazing coincidence."
 
So amazing it's suspect.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:38pm
Jeffrey,
 
When you really try to think through what we've been washed to think is "the holocaust", it simply doesn't add up.  And when you consider all of the prior claims of 6 Million and "holocausts", then question what it means, the plausibility and alleged methods of genocide used in WWII, you will begin to recognize the absurdity of a "Jewish holocaust".  
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:42pm
Doug,
 
We're pretty gullible as a species and as a society.  We've only seen a video that reminds me of something concocted in the movie 'Wag The Dog' with DeNiro and Hoffman.  It might well be real.  But we know absolutely nothing about what happened.  War?  Our Government is so foolish.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 1:45pm
...talking about Syria
Doug Plumb Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:00pm
  I think everyone agrees that United States is a society lead by bullshit and that bullshit is an existential threat, possibly the greatest existential threat ever faced by mankind, bigger than the "Bomb", which is propaganda's greatest accomplishment, possibly not counting the holocaust.
  If all people are so vulnerable to bullshit, why not Jews too? Did anyone that experienced the "holocaust" actually see "the holocaust"? If real, it would not have a single witness and multiple witnesses would have conflicting stories, but we are not allowed to hear the conflicting stories, because our governments lie by omission.
  It really is a satanic cruelty on Jews as well as everyone else, especially if they get a cheque in the mail every month for it. You take this deal and you are locked in for life, its the proverbial contract with the devil. Too many people have signed on, both Jews and non Jews. Top Jews are writing the contract.
  It's Jewish laws and philosophy that I don't like, not Jewish people.
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:02pm
Yup like I often say, It's not Judaism that I'm concerned with, It's Jewry.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:10pm
Very few right wingers actually hate Jews, and those ones I suspect are the agent provocateur's used to discredit the basic ideas of the (truth and national socialist) movement which lead to direct undermining of current international socialist ideals. Their power is the power of propaganda. PC creates the power to censor truth.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:12pm
Who trusts the ((New York Times))?!?
 
Number mystique was also very popular in medieval times.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:14pm
"Who trusts the ((New York Times))?!?"
 
Exactly.  There might be hope for you yetsteen.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:22pm
Benjamin, it’s ((())).  Three parenthesis, not two.
 
Did you not get the updated handbook for all hasbara agents in the field????
 
LOL
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:22pm
I usually don't do these brackets, but once I made a joke on a Jewish blog and called the most treasonous paper on earth the ((HaAretz)).
 
It is the same as the New York Time. But there are gentile versions of somehow the same paper. The ((Guardian)) and the ((Zeit)).
 
LOL
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:25pm
Thanks Jeffrey. Apparently I don't run into enough antisemites on the internet to know that. I wonder how all the six million (((Neanderthals))) communicated before www.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:28pm
They wrote really crappy books and attended conventions together.  They all told each other back then that truth would prevail, the Jews would admit the whole thing was a hoax and that the world would enter a new golden age with statues of Hitler on every corner.
 
Still waiting.....
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:35pm
The Talmud is called the oral Tora because it was written with cheap lipstick on napkins after the buffet was plundered. They only stopped writing when they needed more napkins for sharing the (((bill))). Neanderthal brains need notes to calculate. The Neanderthals then shoved the hill zion to ice-glazed (((London))).
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:36pm
The Talmud might as well be the Devil's Bible.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:38pm
Hillary Clinton does not have a bible.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:39pm
Tom, just out of curiosity (TBH I think I know the answer already) but have you actually ever read the Talmud?
Dino Manalis Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:40pm
The Jewish Holocaust, of course, but you're right, all genocides have to be recognized and remembered to officially condemn these events.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:43pm
Most rabbis have not read half of the Talmud.  I've read some.  Most rabbis will tell you that the Talmud is not something you just sit down and study.  They say you need a teacher and guide. 
 
I know enough to know that Khazars are in it for their own gain.  The most fundamental Talmudic Jews believe in their own superiority and the subjugation, if not suffering and/or death of the goyim. 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:46pm
Tom means that he has read some excerpts on Nazi websites.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:50pm
LOL, yep.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:50pm
Goldsteen, don't speak for me. 
 
"Tom means that he has read some excerpts on Nazi websites."
 
...Not exactly, but I've read excerpts and analysis, and have listened to rabbis teach parts of it.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:54pm
For full disclosure’s sake I never read it either, Tom.  Religious texts bore me almost as much political tracts.  It was pure agony to finish Das Kapital and Mein Kampf, never mind the Koran.
 
I actually found the Bible an interesting read.  Been years, of course.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:56pm
There are something like 36 enormous volumes comprising the Talmud.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:59pm
You can download different Talmuds - condensed versions.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 2:59pm
Between 1654 and 1815 Russian Tsars maneuvered to have access to Western Oceans, especially the Black Sea.  Belarus, Lithuania, and parts of Ukraine were absorbed.  Khazar Jews were already present in the lands between the Black sea and Caspian.  Khazar Jews formed in year 800 approx. under King Bulan.
 
Pale of Settlement is where Ukraine is now.  Russia then struggled with their "stiff necked" people.  Tsars tried everything, giving land away, giving away alcohol concessions, forcing Jews to  go to western schools.  But, they would not absorb and remained as a separate group with their own language, own culture, own law, own religion.  The religious leaders in Pale had tremendous power, basically controlling their civilization.   Jews were backward people relative to the more modern white Russians.  There was also obvious racial differences then, more so than today.  A jew then could be spotted easily among the population because of racial differences.  
 
Russia has the most experience dealing with the Jewish problem.  During the Byzantine Empire, Justinian 527-565 disallowed Jews from being school teachers, being in government, or being a "money counter."  These prohibitions were due to Jewish predations on Byzantine civil society, that is Jewish bending society to their will.  
 
Later in history, Tsars had forgotten that Jews were a people destined to live alone, and must be treated as a separate in-group.
For history on this period see Solzhenitsyn's book "200 years together."  Jewish pressure groups have kept this book from being published in English, but much is available on-line now.   
 
In order to educate yourself, you have to read old source documentation, and not listen to your programming received in publik school.  In other words, I am telling readers of WB, that you have to reject much of what you were programmed with from birth.  
 
Napoleon thought he could use Jews of Pale and Poland to help break Russia, so he conspired with them to give full rights in Patriotic war of 1812.  This also backfired.  France absorbed some of these Jews after Napoleons defeat.
 
Russia is now investigating the origins of Jewish Cabala thought and method as it originated from the middle east.   Russians want to know how they were usurped.  Russians want to know what is this worldwide hidden system arrayed against them. This is now being taught to intelligence officials.  Putin is from Andropov's special directorate of KGB, so no doubt Putin is also aware.
 
This knowledge is NOT what you were taught in school. 
Here is an excerpt:
The horrible thing about this narrative (laid out a bit more thoroughly below*) is that it rings true.  Go to link for more:
http://wwwkevboyle.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/is-russia-genuinely-rejecting-long.html  
 
Here is a Russian General explaining the same thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DeA9KcxRsA
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:00pm
I do think Mein Kampf is worth another read.  When I find the time I will.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:01pm
And Mefo weighs in.....
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:03pm
Mefobills,
 
Thanks for adding those comments... "In other words, I am telling readers of WB, that you have to reject much of what you were programmed with from birth." It runs deeper than I thought for so many.  I've said words to that effect many times on WB, and I welcome the help!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:09pm
I have a hard time to say whether Mein Kampf, the Kapital, Koran, Mefo comments, or the Talmud is most boring.
 
I wonder how I can conquer the world with matzah and charred egg.
 
But in all seriousness the Kapital is really, really dull!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:16pm
Actually Karl Marx books were so boring that censors did not bother to read them. So it made it to Russia. Mefo has the same tactics. There you see how Russians follow their Marxist heritage.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:29pm
I agree, I read Das Kapital in a political science class at the university.  It was a true struggle, mainly because we are now far enough along to know how completely full of shit Marx was.
 
I read Mein Kampf in a history course covering Nazi Germany.  One of the problems with it was some rather obscure references Hitler made.  I’m sure Hitler’s audience in the 20’s and 30’s got the references but I sure didn’t.  This was also pre-Google so it was harder to track things down.  
 
The real problem was the tendency of Hitler to drone on and on endlessly about things.  He needed a better editor but Rudolf Hess lacked the balls and the brains to tell his beloved Fuehrer when to stop.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:30pm
There is an annotated version of Mein Kampf that might be worth a read.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 3:50pm
MEFOBILLS ,
Great history lesson! I better commit it to memory before real history is outlawed, in favor of revisionist history.
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:05pm
Oh, sorry I forgot to remember. ..... Maybe I couldn't remember because I wasn't born then. Oh shit.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:06pm
It might be anti-Semitic to forget.  Did you forget, or just not remember?
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:07pm
BTW: Mein Kampf ist keine schlechte Lektüre, wenn man die Zeit und den Kontext versteht, wann es geschrieben wurde. Wie so oft kann die originale Sprache Sachen vermitteln, die in der Uebersetzung nur mangelhaft wiedergegeben werden, sei es aus Unvermögen oder Absicht....
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:09pm
Tom C. Purcell,
I was just wondering, if I owned 90% of MSM, college administration, and Hollywood, do you think I could influence the narrative? 
How about if me and like minded people were huge political contributors because we were the majority of the 1%?
Never mind, money doesn't influence politics. ; )
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:10pm
Ben
 
Marx was a bored capitalist, but with sharp ideas. He was what we would call today a pop star. Give people what they want, and what they don't have at the time. Make them dream.
 
He was probably a reversed Michael Jackson LOL
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:10pm
Gazuntite!  Yes the original version is scarce.  There were reproduced, censored Western versions after mandating destruction of most of the originals in post-war Europe.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:12pm
(Mein Kampf)
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:14pm
Pardero,
 
LOL ;)  I wouldn't think that human beings (Khazars included) could be so vile, corrupt, so, so deceptive and, and...so Zionist!
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:19pm
Tom
 
I have an original of 1923 in pdf, found, well, not on a usual sharing site, in German.
 
And you know what ?
 
The whole thing is really a study of SOCIALISM on a NATIONAL basis. As the fucking term applies. Nazi is a perverted term of a basically good idea. As I always thought. There was never an idea of war until the Amshel group appeared, and finally:
 
Would Americans accept a takeover of their whole financial and industrial industry by some other "club" ?
 
Maybe. The Chinese are doing it LOL
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:24pm
As I tweeted earlier today, Stone, "I am an American who's family roots span the mainland and go back to the late 1600s, but I live in the Usurped States of Israel."  The U.S. Economy is just an institutional branch of Israel's world order.  The China thing is more of a show IMO.  Not entirely.  Ultimately, the U.S. needs to manufacture goods again...have exports and jobs.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:25pm
But as for 'Mein Kampf', I'd spend time studying an authentic, original copy!
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:25pm
BTW: Didn't I write an article citing some -bergs or other members of a -bloomy and -witz or -feld or -stein other related families ?
 
We have them in Zurich/Switzerland as well. They seem to travel go and back from here every other day with big suitcases. I wonder a) where they get the cash from to travel all the time and b) if they transport chemical weapons for fake news attacks on diplomatic passports.
 
Gotta ask Trumpie, when he has time between two blow jobs.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:30pm
LOL - Don't be jealous of our ladies man Pres.  I don't want to know his sex life and it's not my business.  I just focus on his actions and policies that effect my family's future.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:31pm
BTW:
 
Jeffrey Kelly, you think I'm a Nazi. Then, I ask you, are the US MIC, senate and government as well as Donald Duck Nazis ?
 
IF you think about it you'll conclude - yes.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:31pm
SEF: I read Mein Kampf as a teenager and it was an original, not censored in any way. A leftover. Marx was a stupid bastard with no original ideas. Just a trouble maker. You should also look into his ancillary writings. No bloodshed that he didn't like.
 
You know what also strikes me? All German "philosophers" and novelists in the 20th century are Marxists. Dull as fuck and only in the public space because the publishers and the broadcasters are Marxists too. You can only slip in if you right an anti-Nazi book like Akif Pirincci's Felidae. Otherwise you must be a stupid Marxist to be praised as intellectual.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:32pm
Because:
 
AMERICA FIRST !
 
Hitler said the same. GERMANY FIRST !
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:34pm
Deutschland zuerst?!?
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:37pm
Well if England and France would have let it be, Operation Barbarossa might not have been dreamt up.  If England and France didn't harass Germany, then declare war on them over Danzig and defense of ethnic Germans, Europe would have been just fine, I think, and there would be no Zion and hence, no 9/11 and no jihad and global terror.  Hitler was right about 'Germany first' and he was right about most things...not all things, but most of his declarations remain true and accurate.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:39pm
Kelly: What do you think about this rewriting of History so to put things in Hitlers mouth and let him do things only to match him with Donald Trump? Is that healthy if we want that history does not repeat itself? Is it respectful to the victims? Is it helpful when Hitler just becomes a political tool that can be changed from day to day to smear opponents?
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:43pm
Ben
 
Nein. NIEMAND ZUERST. Das ist mein Credo.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:45pm
@ SEF:
”BTW:

Jeffrey Kelly, you think I'm a Nazi. Then, I ask you, are the US MIC, senate and government as well as Donald Duck Nazis ?

IF you think about it you'll conclude - yes.”
 
Oh, I don’t think you’re a Nazi, Stone-Eater.  I think you have a predilection for whacked out conspiracy theories that give Doug wet dreams and you cling to some warped, outdated stereotypes about Jews.
 
But, a Nazi?  No.  I don’t know what gave you that impression.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:45pm
"Everybody last" was always the leftwing credo.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:45pm
Victims?  What victims?  If you refer to 'victims of Hitler and the Nazis', well, their so-called victims were on battlefields, mostly in the East, and only up until the Wehrmacht/Waffen SS' second winter campaign.  By 1943 the Germans were pretty much the steadfast "victims", because half of the world closed in on their nation.  Ultimately, Hitler and the Germans were victims of the Bolsheviks and Zionists.  To this day, Germans remain victimized by Israel.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:47pm
More ad-homiems from our resident Jew, who has no real counter -argument.  Also Russian's are not following their Marxist heritage, Bolshevism was FORCED on Russia in 1917 by Illuminists out of Wall Street and London.  The Red revolution was a counter to the White Revolution that had happened a few years earlier.  The White revolution would have allowed Russia to develop on their own path, not a path inserted by foreign monied elements. 
 
Here is what Benjamin says: Actually Karl Marx books were so boring that censors did not bother to read them. So it made it to Russia. Mefo has the same tactics. There you see how Russians follow their Marxist heritage
 
Benjamin is basically telling everybody... don't listen to Mefo.  I say instead, go an find out for yourself if I'm truthful or not.  I want you to be thoughtful and inquiring.  I'm not trying to chill thought, but instead want people thinking and questioning their reality.  Most people are hypnotized and have a glimmer that something is wrong.
 
Who do you think has the more nefarious agenda?
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:48pm
BTW: I was never a Marxist or any other -ist. All ideologies have good and bad parts in them (idealist or practical ones). I'm too old to follow or defend something I didn't see work in real life - and no ideology ever did.
 
I go for: I'm ok, and you're ok. Wherever on that planet, whichever culture or color or whatever.
 
And - it worked. Keep it simple. Because life IS simple.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:51pm
It should be, Stone.  Life should be kept simple and I aim to help return simplicity to civilization.  History should be simple too, but it's not.  Layers of propaganda weigh down the truth, creating a sludge to analyze.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:53pm
Tom
 
Yeah, latest example to be seen in Syria....
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:56pm
Precisely.  Folks are all gung-ho to make big explosions overseas again, like rabid raccoons in broad daylight, yearning to bite something.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 4:57pm
Bahahahahaha our resident Russian complains about ad Neanderthaliensem attacks against him.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:00pm
Mefo
 
I know, or think to know that Karl came from a rich family. No matter what he wrote (and I like what he wrote), but it's true that most, if not all, philosophers had such a comfy life that they found the time to develop theories that ...... concerned many others but not them.
 
I have a question mark there and ask myself: Is it the same reason why we have mainly couch potatoes today and no philosophers anymore ? Or have we simply outphilosophed ourselves ?
 
In fact, there's no more news under the same sky anymore. We KNOW what's wrong, but as long as we can have a better live than the damn asshole next door, life is ok, eh ? LOL
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:03pm
life, not live. How many years am I repeating that mistake....
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:05pm
Ben
 
You should read mefo carefully. Der Kerl weiss, was er sagt. You might den Kürzeren ziehen LOL
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:10pm
Nein, ich bin nicht schwul. Ich werde seinen Kürzeren nicht mal anschauen, geschweige denn anfassen.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:10pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”Kelly: What do you think about this rewriting of History so to put things in Hitlers mouth and let him do things only to match him with Donald Trump? Is that healthy if we want that history does not repeat itself? Is it respectful to the victims? Is it helpful when Hitler just becomes a political tool that can be changed from day to day to smear opponents?”
 
I think it’s crap.  I get tired of it, Hitler was his own person, the same with Stalin, Mao, etc.  I find it disrespectful to the victims and a cheapening of history.
Michael B. Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:32pm
I got something very interesting lately, called "Hitler's Table Talk." It is essentially a series of transcripts of Hitler doing just that, talking at the dinner table, but I think it's valuable because it is one of the very few documented instances of Hitler speaking in a more-or-less plain voice and more-or-less being his real self.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:37pm
That'd be interesting, actually.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:43pm
@Michael B.
 
I have a PDF copy I’ve been meaning to read but never got a chance to.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 5:52pm
Michael B.
That would be interesting if you condensed it and published it. You could write a big disclaimer if necessary.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:03pm
Tom C. Purcell,
Someday, the powers that be, will ban free speech. Only revisionist history and false narratives will be allowed. Any study, discussion, or challenging the 'official' narrative, will be considered a hate crime. They are busily working on it.
Germany, Canada, and England do not have free speech. Look what happened to Zundel. 
Look what they are doing to Atzmon in England. Prosecuted for exercising free speech. 
Michael B. Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:05pm
From a historical perspective, it's a fascinating document. Not like 'Dolfy has a night-and-day difference in his private and public persona, but it's always interesting to see public figures, especially ones as truly infamous as Hitler will always be, show their all-too-human sides as well. Pardero, I thought about at least outlining it, but I think it's better for someone to read for themselves. Besides, I might get hit with the other bad "N" word, lol.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:09pm
Stone-Eater,
 
I know, or think to know that Karl came from a rich family. No matter what he wrote (and I like what he wrote), but it's true that most, if not all, philosophers had such a comfy life that they found the time to develop theories that ...... concerned many others but not them.
 
Actually Marx lived off of others - a finance "class" supported him.  He also wrote for a Jewish newspaper whose name escapes me.  He was friends with Hegel.  
 
Marx was a pretty accurate Classical Economist, so you won't find me dissing him.  I'm sure that will blow Benjamin's mind, because he thinks I'm a jew hater.  I hate predators and protect sheeple, even Jewish sheeple who don't know any better.   
 
The fact is some Jews can rise above and look out, and those I admire, the same as I would admire from any group.  
 
Marx did leave out a +1 in one of his formulas in Das Kapital volume 3, which leaves out interest in the equation.  I can fault him for that.  
 
When Marx died, he said "I am a most unhappy man."  He knew his economic theories had been hijacked by his own tribes predators.  
 
Marx felt that a DEVELOPED industrial economy would pass naturally into Communism.  The "forced" bolshevik system was funded into existence by finance capitalism.  This was an unnatural overlay onto peasant economies, and to force it, much death then ensued.  It ended up being a pyramid system, the same thing Marx feared with financial capitalism. 
 
Marx was likely a lower level Jew not aware of what his Cabala masters were up to.  In other words, a low level Jewish sheeple person who was a thinker, and whose ideas were hijacked.  
 
By the way, Herzyl when he started out Zionism, also had honorable intentions, which then morphed into evil.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:17pm
Empires always start out as ideals.  They often end in catastrophe.  Like the late, great Ernst Zundel said, "Watch out, the Jews have a real holocaust coming."
 
Pardero, I'm on the lookout.  That's one thing my father taught me well as a young man - to "keep my eye on the ball".  It started in sports but it applies to most aspects of life - to anticipate what might be coming, and when it might come directly at you.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:21pm
Y'all have contributed to 80+ comments and well over 200 views in the last 5 hours, and only Pardero hit the 'Like' button?  Geez.  Happy Holocaust Day to you too! ;)
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:22pm
My wife's grand-uncle, who is still alive, was in the 442'nd.  They liberated "concentration camps" at end of WW2. 
 
I became interested in Holocaust because he would get mad at me when I would bring up "jews."  He would say, there were all kinds of people in the camps.  He also does not like to talk about it, so I tend to not pester him on it.  His getting so mad tells volumes, in that he doesn't like smoke being blown up his ass, because he was a first person witness.
 
Here is holocaust deprogramming course for those of you who are willing to challenge precious held shibboleths.
 
https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:44pm
I wonder if your granduncle had to sign a gag order.  What do you think?  I've never heard of such a thing but our grandfathers/granduncles were so tight lipped about what they did and saw overseas in WWII.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:47pm
Don’t be so fucking needy, Tom.
 
;)
 
There, I just liked your article.  I did you a solid, Tom.
 
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:51pm
'Nazis' have feelings too ya know!  Heh, I didn't expect a sympathy click from you but thanks, I'll take it. ;()
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 6:56pm
Ben
 
Nein, ich bin nicht schwul. Ich werde seinen Kürzeren nicht mal anschauen, geschweige denn anfassen.
 
LOOOOOOLL Shit man, you crack me up !! Can't hold meinen Atem, beinahe Stillstand :-))) How the fuck do you know that he's got a Kürzeren als du ?
 
LOL 
 
Hast meinen Tag gerettet :-)
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:02pm
MEFO
 
"I am a most unhappy man."  He knew his economic theories had been hijacked by his own tribes predators.  
 
You know what I think ? However convinced he was of his theories he found out that Homo Sapiens doesn't work that way. We ARE animals and we behave that way, the way nature works. Comme on dit: La cosmetique peut masquer beaucoup mais la nature emerge toujours.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:24pm
SE,
 
We can examine the wet-ware, or the ideology of certain groups. If this ideology encourages rent-seeking and the baser instincts of man, then it is illegitimate.  I have real issues with Talmudic Judaism because it does encourage in-group predation on out-groups.  The same goes for certain factions of Islam.  It is just a matter of examining what they say, and how they behave - a scientific method.  
 
We are animals, but I would like to think we also have souls.  Solzhenitzyn said the line of evil runs right through the middle of man.  You have to pick which side.  Don't get caught up in bad thought constructs that make you mis-behave.  
 
Humans actually evolved in small groups to help each other.  Those races who survived the fourth ice ages are especially evolved for altruism as a survival mechanism.  Their first instinct is not to screw you over.
 
In city state period of Levant, Psychopaths would be expelled from City-States, and had to live on their own wits.  Often they would take up with the "traveling merchant" who traveled between cities.  These people would become especially devious and animal like.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:37pm
MEFO
 
But I would like to think we also have souls
 
You're a very clever man indeed and, excuse me, as being not anglophone, I probably can't express myself as precise as I could in my native Germen.
 
However, "soul" to me is another thing that does not exist. When I have feelings, do I have a soul, and if not, I don't have one ? "Evil" is another thing. What is evil ?
 
Bush said The Axis Of Evil. Or "freedom". All these expressions are man-made propaganda definitions which do NOT exist but can give people a hold-on-to-something. Democracy. Another one. See what I mean ?
 
All that is, in my humble personal view, hollow bullshit.
 
What IS important: Walk along the street, see a stranger, say hello and ask: How are you ? When he replies and starts to talk to you, then you know that - you have what I call - soul.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:39pm
Wow, this is absolutely fascinating.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:45pm
MEFOBILLS,
I am going to take a look at that deprogramming site.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:49pm
It’ll be right up your alley, Pardero.
 
I think I actually know the dumbass that came up with that site.  He goes by the name of saggy.  He makes my list of dumbest deniers.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:52pm
If there are so many of these "deniers", maybe they're not "deniers" after all.  Maybe a new moniker is appropriate.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:53pm
MEFO
 
Thanks for that link about deprogramming, But that 6 million stuff exists since about 1906 and is verified. You see I admire Jews. They invented the banking system and interest on interest on interest.....and still profit from the holocaust after ALL THESE years while other genocides are ..... who what when huh ?
 
So we should not condemn them. We should use our own fucking head and reflect: Why are they so much more clever than we are are ? LOL
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:54pm
Nah, Tom.  Deniers is more apropo.  That’s what they are.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:54pm
...are are.....oh man LOL
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:55pm
SE,
 
We've (the west) lost the Trivium method, handed down to us by the Greeks.  We use "Jerusalmite methods now, which is didactic and words can have various meanings.
 
In the Trivium, you might spend a week just defining what certain words meant.  If you have a certain though construct in your mind, it then forms a word, you speak and the word passes through air as a compression wave.  Said wave hits the eardrum of recipient, and then forms a thought in recipient's brain.
 
There is no guarantee that sender and receiver have matching thoughts with this method.  In Trivium, democracy will be defined down to a point where all participants agree to its meaning.  
 
I agree with you that we live in one giant illusion.  But, there were periods in history where the illusion was shattered.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 7:59pm
Jeffrey,
 
Might as well, I guess.  "Holocaust survivor" is nonsensical anyway.  I mean, my Grandfathers actually served in WWII and the only reward they got were less years on Earth.  And that's a nerve, a hot button.  Grandfathers of goyim fought and died and worse in WWII, and Jews have always collected big, and continue to for a phony genocide.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:00pm
http://writerbeat.com/articles/17849-Himmler-s-Posen-Speech
 
Stone-Eater, I’ll remind that you confirmed Himmler talked about extermination.  You are the native German speaker...
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:03pm
SE
 
You see I admire Jews. They invented the banking system and interest on interest on interest.....and still profit from the holocaust after ALL THESE years
 
Actually, it was Italians that first invented credit banking.  It was 700 unlicensed Jews in Amsterdamaaaamns Stock Market who invented gets puts and all kinds of ways to screw over the folks in Holland. 
 
These profits, along with English predators started up the first stock owning bank in the world - the Bank of England in 1694.  The used the italian method of double entry credit, but the intent was to put a country into debt. 
 
Like I said, the line of evil.  The Italians weren't out to get over, but our ((friends)) were.  They even plotted for 100 years and printed Bibles emphasizing how they were "special people" to be let back into England.  They also used their stock market capital to get dumb ass English Kings and Queens into debt.   
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:04pm
BTW: I hate all those NetanYahoo Israel holy wall moaners who implanted a new country in the middle of an Arab (semitic) area while the Kurds, a people of 30 million, up to today are not allowed to have their own territory. Check the UK Balfour papers.
 
The Jews are ok. They are like ANYBODY ELSE. But there is ONE problem: Some describe themselves as God's people. And the US also describes itself as God's country.
 
And when someone calls "god" in whichever form as being a leading force, he's either a hypocrit or an asshole. Probably both.
 
And I'd say the same for Allah guys.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:08pm
LOL, Stone -
 
Just minutes ago you were saying stuff like, "I'm too old for that stuff, color doesn't matter, just get along with neighbors, I admire Jews."
 
Followed by;
 
BTW: I hate all those NetanYahoo Israel holy wall moaners who implanted a new country in the middle of an Arab (semitic) area while the Kurds, a people of 30 million, up to today are not allowed to have their own territory. Check the UK Balfour papers.
 
Then back to:  "The Jews are ok. They are like ANYBODY ELSE. But..."
 
LOL pick a line and stay on it. ;)
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:11pm
Bona fide 'LOL' to "holy wall moaners".  :()
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:11pm
Here is a list of dumbest deniers:
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27156
 
Yours truly only makes an entrance later, I’m Jeffk 1970.
 
Keep trying, Tom.  You may make it.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:14pm
BTW2:
 
I live in Senegal, 95% Muslim, African Islam, so to say. People ask me: Are you Muslim, because you wear Muslim clothes ? No. Are you Christian then ? No. What are you then ? Atheist. What is that ? I don't believe in a god. How can you ? There is a god, our Allah ! But sorry, that doesn't work with me. 
 
I don't understand you, but that's ok. You're a part of our family, and god will decide how he treats you when you're dead and you don't believe in him.
 
No sweat. I am a good person, and it will appreciate that.
 
It ?
 
Sure, it. Or who told you that god is male ?
 
...........
 
LOL
Stone-Eater Added Apr 12, 2018 - 8:19pm
BTW: We joke a lot about religion. We don't tae that too seriously, and since there are 10 sheep outside in the backyard, when the light goes on at 2 am for some ....hmm...gotta take a piss, we say, Allah survives our health and the sheep agree with MEEEEEEE LOL
Michael B. Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:01pm
I never have, and never will understand, or even try to understand Holocaust denial, or revision, or whatever someone wants to call it. The way I see it, it's what they want to believe and see, so whatever. I don't waste any time trying to dissuade them, as it is an exercise in futility. Not like I really care about them, but when someone is jailed simply for what they believe in, they are truly living in a totalitarian society. On the other hand, at a bare minimum, the Nazis, being the Germans that they were, were WAY too well-organized, and took too many notes, for the Holocaust to be some kind of monstrous hoax. Sometime late in 1941, Hitler had a conversation with Himmler and Goering, and the rest is history.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 12, 2018 - 9:22pm
Jeffrey Kelley, there is no shortage of idiots that think the holocaust happened.
Its foolish to believe it actually happened because they lock people up for questioning it. The folks that lock people up know that the holocaust cannot withstand rational inquiry so they lock people up rather than debate them.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 10:11pm
Tom C. Purcell,
I am not a specialist at anything, but rather, a generalist, if anything.
 
By necessity, I rely on other's study and research. As it it is, I can get a max of 5 hrs sleep, if I stop writing now!
This subject is not even a general one for me. I have used info from scholarly friends since I was a teenager. 
People I absolutely trust and trusted, some gone, assured me it was a hoax.
Death has taken some extremely important people, that informed me on a multitude of subjects. 
 
I am convinced that it is the biggest hoax in the history of mankind. It is criminal that the German people have been victimized, all these years. 
The Holocaust Hoax got a small start as typical war, and post war, propaganda. The Soviets were early purveyors because it helped their cause. It didn't really get going until the 50s.
I read Elie Wiesel's book when it came out. It was a harrowing account. Too bad it was proven to be a total fabrication, just like the so-called Holocaust.
The so-called Holocaust, is a devious and evil false narrative that became a massive industry. Even if true, which it isn't, it is far past time to move on.
 
That some people, who otherwise seem intelligent, can adopt the Holocaust religion, is beyond me. What an absolute waste of time. Like the Holocaust scam is in peril of being forgotten or something!
This is the danger of group-think that MEFOBILLS speaks of. 
They will use Alinsky's rules to attack truth tellers. Ridicule is their favorite. Conservatives, now use ridicule on these brain-washed tools, to good effect. 
They try to gang up, the usual leftist tactic. It is probably harder for Goldstein because he doesn't need some New Age Holocaust religion to make himself feel worthy. Of course, he has his own axe to grind, but it must secretly trouble him that the so-called Holocaust can be proven to be a fiction by anyone that took high school physics. By anyone with an inkling of logistics, actually.
I commend you for the mental strength to challenge such a pervasive and massive fraud. There are too few. A world of popular group-think followers. Where is the courage in going with the flow?
It is easy to be a glib follower of group-think, imagining that one is a warrior for the (fake)truth. 
Anyone with the courage to take on the massive Holocaust Industry, is a principled rebel.
If you ever feel overwhelmed and outnumbered, Zerohedge is a safe haven. Holohoax deluded preachers get slammed relentlessly. They never stay long. That manure don't fly over there. Use a pseudonym. WB ain't exactly the big time. You get significant enough, I fear that some evil bastards will try to wreck your life. Wouldn't hurt to have pseudonym here. Truck drivers are pretty much wreck proof ; ) but many jobs are vulnerable to Neo-con attack.
 
Michael B.
You are a smart guy. Make the logistics for the Holocaust work. Make the alleged devices work. Make Zyklon B lethal enough to work. 
Read MEFOBILLS' link. If you don't have serious reservations...
 
Count Myshkin Added Apr 12, 2018 - 10:15pm
This article is classic holocaust denial. I regret that I actually contributed to this site and am now deleting my account. 
Michael B. Added Apr 12, 2018 - 10:19pm
Pardero, the logistics for the Holocaust WERE worked out, in the form of the Wannsee Conference.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 10:23pm
Michael B.
I may have to take a look at the Wannsee Conference. It'll have to be pretty amazing.
 
Michael B. Added Apr 12, 2018 - 10:36pm
Pardero, anyone who has a tangential interest in the Third Reich in general and the Holocaust in particular should study the Wannsee Conference closely.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 10:51pm
The Wannsee Conference is a plan, not a result. 
Impossible logistics cannot magically be possible, because of a specific word(Himmler) someone uttered.
Whether or not Hitler or Himmler had a specific plan, has been debated. Intent is beside the point. I can chisel my plan in stone, to get to Casper on 5 gallons of fuel, but it ain't gonna happen. Even if intent had been proven, it couldn't have gone down the way they say.
Obama had a plan for Guantanamo, too.
 
I don't want to impose on your time because MEFOBILLS' link goes to an absolutely massive article. I only gave it about an hour. Even if written by an amateur 'hobbyist denier,' it is an incredible collection of evidence. Overwhelming. If you consider that much evidence has been destroyed or is locked away,  it is mind blowing. 
I didn't even have a strong opinion on the subject. I relied on trustworthy scholars. Seeing it for myself, this work of amateur sleuths, no wonder research is illegal in Germany. The fraud would not stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever. 
Intent or not, the numbers don't work. They aren't even close. 
 
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 10:59pm
Count Myshkin,
You can't see me, but I am laughing. Don't go to Zerohedge, whatever you do. Denial is the consensus there. Only moderate deniers come WB, the mean ones stay over there.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 11:03pm
The Count is like a little kid covering his eyes, if you can't see the scary stuff, it ain't there.
 
Tom,
There may be an accidental compliment there i.e. "classic denial."
If you ever get tired of being a rebel, you can be mainstream at ZH.
Michael B. Added Apr 12, 2018 - 11:12pm
"The Wannsee Conference is a plan, not a result."
 
The Wannsee Conference was both a plan AND a result, which ultimately RESULTED in a lot of PLANS.
Pardero Added Apr 12, 2018 - 11:46pm
If you get some spare time, take a look at the "Deprogramming" site.
Since you are a believer, but give every other indication of being rational with critical thinking skills, your general opinion would be valuable.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 1:19am
Pardero, I just wrote an article on the “Deprogramming” site.  I laughed my way through it.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 1:25am
I belong to a forum:
 
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewforum.php?f=39
 
All of our resident deniers ran screaming away a long time ago.  I passed an invitation along to Tom but he, well, let’s just say he didn’t feel confident enough to join.
 
I’ll pass that invitation along to Pardero and Mefo.  I suspect they won’t join either but, what the hell.
 
The only thing we do now is bitch about Trump and pass along information that we find.  Some new deniers would be great but they usually take a pass.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 13, 2018 - 1:46am
Jeff,
There is evidence that some "holocauting" happened in Latvia or Estonia, where some lower level German's executed Jews.  They did it with bullets to the back of the head, "Russian Style."   Bullets are cheap.   These particular Nazi's were afraid Hitler would find out.  No historian has found any data indicating that holocausting jews was state policy.   THERE IS NO DATA.  German's kept meticulous records.  
 
In other words, there was some low level stuff by lower ranking people, which was against policy.  Who knows why they did it.  There is also a site in northern Poland that was cleared and nobody knows what happened there.  
 
It is not denial, it is revisionist history, where the revisions are updates with all the data to fit a more truthful picture.  Wartime propaganda takes off and becomes legend; it takes a lot to undo the BS.  There were entire departments who did nothing but make shit up during the war.  The British were especially good at propaganda.  The Auschwitz narrative is so preposterous that no thinking person can take it seriously.  
 
There is also plenty of evidence that Zion was working with Nazi's hand in glove.  Havarra plan was an agreement to TRANSFER jews to Palestein.  Zion's intent was to start new state of Israel by hook or crook. 
 
I looked at your website.   Your right, I won't be joining.   
Flying Junior Added Apr 13, 2018 - 2:02am
Pardero,

I am convinced that it is the biggest hoax in the history of mankind. It is criminal that the German people have been victimized, all these years. 
 
Are you out of your ever-loving mind?
 
Number one, the German people have not been victimized all of these years.
 
The population of Germany was pretty much over any love they had for Hitler and the Third Reich by 1949.  I can guarantee you that much.  No one, but no one disavowed Nazism to the extent that did the German people.
 
NO ONE.
 
I first set foot in Munich Germany in February of 1968.  Pretty fun place to hang out.  I attended the Fasching parade in the public square.  I thought any temperature in the mid-twenties was pretty damn cold!  I was young enough to have some skin.  Must have left my cold weather gear in London. 
 
The next time I visited was in the Spring of 1972.  My political knowledge was only nascent.  I was surrounded by liberals.  Understand that I was connected to men and women who had studied physics and astronomy in Tübingen and the University of Munich.  I was also in touch with local churches and concert-goers.  One thing that struck me about German law was that trespassing was not against the law.  You could walk across someone's land or even their front yard without raising an eyebrow.  Pretty cool!
 
The last time that I was fortunate enough to visit this enlightened nation was in the May of 1977.  I was eighteen years old and very much aware of politics and German attitudes towards the Third Reich.  One thing that I understood quite clearly was that in spite of German laws protecting freedom of speech, no one was free to condone Nazism and by extension the extreme hatred, prejudice and, as I was later to find out, holocaust denial.
 
Dammit wake up!  You seem like such a nice man.  Get away from the extreme right.  It's bad for your health.
 
You need to start from square one.  Your education is sadly lacking.  Here is a book that you might find enjoyable.  It was written by the pastor of the first church where I ever played the organ as a summer substitute organist.  The venerable Walt James who first met the staff of La Jolla Presbyterian church in 1965.
 
Walt James was one of the greatest fellows that I ever met.  I was fortunate enough to meet him and his beloved wife, Marguerite, again some thirty years later in their golden years at the fabulous White Sands of La Jolla where I was working as an activities director for the elderly.  Walt was very proud of a book that he had authored and which was published in 1990, just one year after the tear-down of the Berlin Wall.  The title was a play on words.  Tumbling Walls:  A True Story.
 
Walt's book was about his work as a young Christian in rebuilding Germany in the early 1950s.  Walt was not ashamed to admit that he had a reputation of being able to do as much work as two ordinary men.  He was there to do the real work.  Whatever was required.  Clearing rubble.  Manning a shovel.  Building new homes.  Walt was there.  As strong as a horse with a morality and Christian upbringing to match.
 
Throw in with the bitch Nazi Tom Purcell if that is who you wish to be identified with.  Read this book if you wish to embark upon the long road to recovery.
 
Tumbling Walls:  A True Story     by Walt James
 
https://www.amazon.com/Tumbling-Walls-Reconciliation-Extraordinary-Alienated/dp/0962704806
 
No Pard,
 
Germany is doing just fine.  They have no truck with Hitler and the idiotic, irrational Holocaust Deniers.  I'm quite sure that our friend, Benjamin Goldstein would concur with most of what I have said.  Until I met Ben, I had little knowledge of conservative Germans.  I still don't understand it very well.  : )
 
Come into the light.  I hope I never see you post anything this ignorant and dangerous again.
 
FJ
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 2:04am
@MEFOBILLS:
”Jeff,
There is evidence that some "holocauting" happened in Latvia or Estonia, where some lower level German's executed Jews. They did it with bullets to the back of the head, "Russian Style." Bullets are cheap. These particular Nazi's were afraid Hitler would find out.”
 
 
You can toss in Eastern Poland, Russia, the Ukraine.....
Hitler saw those reports, he met continuously with Himmler, who was in charge.
 
“No historian has found any data indicating that holocausting jews was state policy. THERE IS NO DATA. German's kept meticulous records.”
 
That’s tiring to see that.

“In other words, there was some low level stuff by lower ranking people, which was against policy. Who knows why they did it. There is also a site in northern Poland that was cleared and nobody knows what happened there.”
 
Sorry, you are wrong.  

“It is not denial, it is revisionist history, where the revisions are updates with all the data to fit a more truthful picture.”
 
Nope, what you, Tom and Pardero peddle is called denial.
 

“I looked at your website. Your right, I won't be joining.”
 
I know, Mefo.  It’s intimidating for you, I get it.  The reality is that those people there are scary good, I’m nothing but a rank amateur next to them.  They would shred you to bits and spit out the pieces.  That’s why I know you won’t join.
 
Frankly I think Hitler would be ashamed of you.
Flying Junior Added Apr 13, 2018 - 5:35am
Well Okay Pard,
 
Let me be the first to disabuse you of any notion that your mind is free.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 13, 2018 - 7:10am
Why did Hitler have the star of David on his coin? Why did he work to get the Balfour agreement actualized ?
 
re "Intent or not, the numbers don't work. They aren't even close."
That's it. You don't have to shovel through piles of propaganda. That's the beauty of truth, one little bit can destroy mountains of lies. The world of logic is just unfair to liars.
As far as Marx goes, I think The German Ideology is a good explanation of the philosophy of Marxism. As Jordan Peterson points out, how do you establish value in a socialist system? You cannot and that is the critical flaw, economics depends on the establishment of value. The German ideology converts moral philosophy to economics, where that basic question cannot be answered.
The whole thing is a flop sold to soft minded Liberals and hubris infected academics and law professionals that think the destruction will happen to everyone else and that dear leader thinks them to valuable to be destroyed. Marxism is meant to destroy, as is the Talmud. Marx came from a family of Talmudic scholars and rabbis.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 13, 2018 - 7:14am
Nothing is more pathetic than self censorship for the pursuit or preservation of virtue. Its worse than virtue signaling.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 13, 2018 - 7:17am
Grabbing off the deprogramming site:
‘Guidelines for Teaching about the Holocaust’ at the Stockholm International Forum, 2000
“One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one.”
 
You must accept the truth before you begin investigating.
 
— “34 reputable historians” published in the prominent French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979
“It is necessary to recognize that the lack of traces involves the inability to directly establish the reality of the existence of homicidal gas chambers.”
 
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 8:35am
Doug Plumb,
Good points. 
This isn't even one of my issues. I don't have a lot of time for reading.
Sounds like the false narrative has a small army of troll defenders. Usually, the truth can withstand scrutiny and not need all that effort.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 9:49am
@Pardero:
”Doug Plumb,
Good points.”
 
I actually don’t bother with Doug too much anymore, Pardero.  I will if he comments on one of my articles but that’s it.  He knows nothing about the history involved.

“This isn't even one of my issues. I don't have a lot of time for reading.”
 
Then how do you know it’s a “false narrative” if don’t read anything about it?  You deny something you are ignorant of.
 

“Sounds like the false narrative has a small army of troll defenders. Usually, the truth can withstand scrutiny and not need all that effort.”
 
That’s circular logic, my friend.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:08am
Michael,
 
If the Wannsee Conference is what "holocaust" protagonists hang their hat on, then I'm in pretty good shape where I stand.  If we're going to be so gullible as to say proof of a genocide lies in a meeting between SS men on something vague as 'The Jewish Question'. 
 
Read an article or two of mine, or the work of more prominent writers, historians and investigators, and try to hold any of it up to a small meeting called 'The Wansnee Conference'.  Then come back and apologize!  JK ;)
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:16am
Pardero,
 
Thanks for applying good, old fashioned common sense, and critical thinking.  You seem to ride with a free mind, good for you.
 
The forensic detail I often return to is the crematoriums in concentration camps.  It's the disposal that would have been impossible.  Unfortunately men have devised ways to kill each other on alarming scales and killing 6 Million Khazars was certainly achievable.  But the Germans did not have the designs, technology or capacity to cremate all of the alleged bodies.  If they did, or tried to, we would have discovered other apparatuses for disposal, such as ovens fit for many bodies, not just one.  Such as industrial-sized bone-smiting units.  If they did or tried to, we would have found many tons of remnants from the disposal process.  None of that has been discovered, nor any mass graves of "Jews" in the East or anywhere for that matter.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:21am
Man, I really have a way of getting to Flying Jewnior, don't I?  Well, the truth can really sting I guess.  It can be shocking.  You live your whole life married to Ms. Hollycost then one day you find out she's been lying and cheating on you since day one, undermining your future and clipping your coins, stealing your money.   
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:27am
@Michael B.
 
Regarding the Wannsee Conference, the thinking changed about what actually happened.  It was more about asserting SS control over the process than planning, though that certainly took place.
 
The reality was that mass shootings began the previous Summer after Germany invaded the USSR, Globocnik started the construction of the extermination camp at Belzec at the beginning of November 1941 and Chelmno started murdering Jews the first part of December 1941.
 
Even after Wannsee nothing was settled, the SS and the bureaucracy continued to bicker over control and definitions until damn near the end of the Reich.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:29am
Pardero,
 
I appreciate the words of encouragement.  They don't fall on deaf ears.  Those words, I actually embrace because as you can imagine, it gets to be a gritty grind on this course.  There have been a few people on WB that have reached out in a similar way, and I have made some real friends (and enemies I too, I suppose) by staying my course.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:37am
@Tom Purcell
 
“Read an article or two of mine, or the work of more prominent writers, historians and investigators, and try to hold any of it up to a small meeting called 'The Wansnee Conference'. Then come back and apologize! JK ;)”
 
I don’t think you’ll ever get that apology, Tom.  Michael is a smart fellow.
 
 
and Michael B.
 
I enjoy discussing this, you seem to have a good grasp on things.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:41am
Michael is what he is, and I don't anticipate an actual apology.  That's what the 'JK' meant, and I think demanding apologies is strange and silly.  But I won't let someone say, "no the holocaust happened and I know it because - the Wannsee Conference."  Heh, no.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:43am
I did just have some fun trashing the “Holocaust Deprogramming” site, Tom.  I think I’ll add more when I get some time.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 13, 2018 - 10:53am
Yup I added my two cents.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 11:01am
Back at you.
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 11:15am
Tom C. Purcell,
 Thanks. I did not intend to have to take a side, but it is just as well. I saw opportunities for anti-war stories and recreational writing. You and MEFO made me take a side. Oh well. It is done, and here we are on the same side. And nose-in-a-law book, Doug, too.
There goes most of the rest of my likes. ; ) But if I was about getting 'likes', I would be writing some Neo-con fake conservative party line rubbish and collecting a reliable basket of likes.
I am in good company and proud of my associations. 
Oddly, the 'Nazis' of WB are anti-war and not Russophobes. You can't make this stuff up.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 13, 2018 - 12:21pm
I would give you a Like Tom, as I would many others who question the Establishment facts of things, but my browser won't let me. I like VOT so that NSA can't watch so well. I've got Firefox with Noscript.
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 12:34pm
Doug,
You should be able to give permission to a single script.
Try Brave browser. Handy and secure. No Script can't stop the NSA.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 13, 2018 - 12:47pm
Thanks Doug, that's good enough for me.  I was half kidding of course, but I sometimes wonder if there aren't some good folks who might be apprehensive out of fear of being targeted for 'liking' the truth.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 13, 2018 - 12:48pm
Pardero,
 
"I didn't intend to have to take a side."
 
Heh, me neither, when I started out. :)  People really do take sides on this one though, it's worse than the abortion debate.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 13, 2018 - 12:49pm
I don't think anything can stop the NSA except for VOT. NoScript has all permissions enabled for this site.
I've got so many favorites saved. I hate firefox, but I hate downloading a new browser more. I like Lagrange mechanics so I'm going top go learn some of that. I'm getting my ass kicked with adv applied math.
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 1:56pm
Tom C. Purcell,
Like the abortion debate, yeah. I try to stay out of that one, though I oppose abortion in principle.
Being labeled a Nazi is worse in some ways. No group is as vilified. Hated by the right and left, both.
I hope we didn't lose James Travil. It may be a bridge too far for him.  Mustafa might be ok with it, but he has bugged out. Saw him over at Zerohedge, yesterday. He quit commenting, here. Oh well.
Thankfully, Stone-eater is a cool guy. 
We are a small group. We will have to see if articles on other subjects will attract any likes.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 3:24pm
Hey, Tom, I gave you a “like,” I don’t care who knows it.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 3:25pm
I did it as a favor, of course.
 
I am sad that it looks like Pardero doesn’t want to play with me anymore.
 
:(
 
;)
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 3:49pm
Jeffrey Kelly,
I am at work. Long hours lately.
I ordered some books. Maybe in time, I can competently argue for revising the Allied fabrications.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 3:54pm
I am kidding, Pardero.  I look forward to our continued conversations.
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 3:55pm
Tom C. Purcell,
I ordered some Germar Rudolf books and donated on his website, too.  I will make an effort to get somewhat informed.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 3:55pm
What did you order?  Just curious, I read some of the Holocaust Handbooks a long time ago.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:12pm
Ah, there you go.
 
Pardero, it seems to me that you made up your mind on something before you researched it.  That strikes me as curious.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:37pm
Pardero,
 
Below is scriptorium link on origins of German concentration camps.  German camp's intent was something other than prison.  It was not a place to become punished.
 
The original german camps were modeled after English camps used during Boer war..  However, the English ended up starving Boers through mismanagement.  
 
German camps morphed during war to become labor camps.  Labor was in short supply as would be expected during war time.  Allies outnumbered Axis powers by more than 2.5
 
https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/ccfacts.html
 
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:39pm
Germar has a youtube presence as well:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbiWPtT7TAI
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:47pm
Jeffrey Kelly,
I explained that I have relied upon the opinions of others with knacks for research. I feel an obligation to pull my own weight on my team.
Basic stuff like his 20 questions. Forget the title. Holocaust Lectures is the other. The Handbook series may be too much to absorb, it is huge.
 
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:48pm
MEFOBILLS,
I will check when I get a chance. Been on standby. Running again.
Pardero Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:48pm
Oh, it looks like Germar is an American now.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:50pm
Pardero, no offense but it seems to me you really don’t know anything about the history you are trying to debunk.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 13, 2018 - 4:51pm
They crank those HH out industrial style.  I stopped reading after awhile, life is too short.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 13, 2018 - 7:59pm
Pardero,
 
I'll keep an eye out for a product of your studies.  I'm curious how much value you find in that lot.
Flying Junior Added Apr 14, 2018 - 3:53am
Man, I really have a way of getting to Flying Jewnior, don't I? 
 
That is a pathetic claim to fame.  I am happy to have been of service.
 
Pardero,
 
You are a nitwit.  You can't see past your right-wing handlers.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 14, 2018 - 6:11am
Pard
 
Thanks, compliments back to you. I remember when I first made a slight remark that Tom's stuff was worth considering (not even taking sides) I had the Nazi label on pretty quickly.
 
But that's ok, I didn't care. Why ? Because people who are so quick with labeling others are mostly the ones which are already deep down in THEIR label LOL
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 14, 2018 - 11:31am
I wouldn’t call you a Nazi, Stone-Eater.  Just really uninformed and prone to conspiracy theories.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 14, 2018 - 12:12pm
The Usurped States of Israel made explosions in the lands of Israel's foes last night.  I guess that incontrovertible proof of Assad's alleged Chlorine/Serin combo attack is just too complex for the rest of the nation to see.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 14, 2018 - 1:56pm
A good parasite will make its biological host think it is a baby to be protected.  The host will be directed to water, how to feed, and to nurture its "baby."  
 
The parasite in order to do this function, must own the press and narrative.  People are like sausage, if you stuff enough false information in, that is all they know, and then their behavior is predictable.  The idea is to have a dumbed down, unaware population of sheeple, who do not look up at their plutocratic masters.
 
Anybody that is aware knows that the corporate media is owned, and owned by the usual suspects.  The latest wrinkle is that the Shadow government has muscled in on this owned press.
 
But, there is not a lot of daylight between the Shadow Government (CIA/NSA/FBI and parts of MIC) and AIPAC these days.  They are mutual back-scratchers.  Inserting dual shitizens and paid for cronies into government is part of the plan.
 
The parasite must take rents and energy from the population, then control the press, then also control the government.   
  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:22pm
I always like the term “sheeple.”  I don’t like the term “red-pilled” but I think that has to do with my dislike of “The Matrix.”
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:29pm
Mefobills,
 
That's definitely one way to put it.  It is an aspect of the 'divide & rule' methodology in the greater Globalist/Zionist campaign, if you ask me, and spiritual genocide is one of the intended byproducts.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:32pm
Jeffrey,
 
"Shitizens" is new to me.  Thanks for that, Mefobills.  I just might reuse that one. ;)
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 14, 2018 - 3:02pm
Tom, it’s hardly new.  I first saw Jett Rucker use it years ago.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 14, 2018 - 3:05pm
Again, "new to me"
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 14, 2018 - 5:54pm
Keep up, Tom.  Don’t you the updated guide to Jewish World Conspiracy?
 
;)
 
Ask Doug, he bought the updated version.
Flying Junior Added Apr 18, 2018 - 5:24am
Happy Holocaust Day?
 
Human waste.
 
That's like saying, "Let's celebrate the day that both of your parents died in a fire."
 
You are an idiot and a social miscreant.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 18, 2018 - 10:43am
Well Happy Holocaust Day to you too.  Such a Holocaust Day Scrooge!  Geez. 
 
Well it's the only genocide that gets so much press and gets it's own 'Remembrance Day'.  It gets its own meaningless, melodramatic name with a capital H...and tons of phony stories.
 
The contentions I have are pretty direct and simple.  I challenge the 'homicidal gas chambers' theory, the Spielberg/Hollywood imagery, the methods of alleged disposal of remains, the alleged census of Jews in Europe, the need for international sympathy to help establish Zion, among other components of this grand rubbish.
 
Did you even read the article, Flying Jewnior?  What do you make of the prior claims of 6 Million "Jews" needing urgent money and refuge?  I cited 3 but there were several more in that timespan alone.  Just a major coincidence, I guess?
 
Listen FJ,
 
The scientists that insisted upon the impact theory as the reason for the extinction of the dinosaurs had careers laughed away or worse.  Archeologists that insisted upon the existence of Troy were scoffed at for decades.  Then one day Troy's enormous walls were discovered and excavated.  What has not been excavated?  Alleged mass graves of "Jews" in the East, or proof of a systematic genocide via trickery by fake showers.  You might laugh at us now, but one day, uninformed fools who claims there were homicidal gas chambers and "death camps" will be the laughing stock.
Pardero Added Apr 18, 2018 - 11:20am
Flying Junior,
To elevate one group, other groups must necessarily be diminished. 
See Orwell's Animal Farm.
The shockingly satirical title, would appear to mock an inequity, not celebrate the mistreatment of anyone.
 
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 18, 2018 - 11:52am
To elevate one group, other groups must necessarily be diminished.
 
Group evolutionary construct:  1) Take Usury on your enemies - to then fund your operations  2) Ingroup behaviors can be enforced through matrilineal line  3) Have a covering religion that shows one face outward, and a different face inward e.g. Torah = Outward, Talmud = Inward.  4) Use deception concepts such as Kol-Niedre, that allow lying, stealing, and murder. 5) Use your gains from usury to own the press to then pass hypnosis  6) Attach yourself to Government, to then control outputs to your group advantage 7)  Buy up publishing houses to censor books which are inimical to your tribal machinations.
 
8) Above all else, own the money power.  Pass Hypnosis that money's true nature is not law, but instead is a form of debt - and ((we)) get to issue those debt instruments.   
 
A major reason international Jewry went Bezerk about Germany, is that Germany had extracted themselves from international money power.  Schachts trading banks were the first salvo, which allowed Germany to trade directly with other economies.  People who keep claiming Hitler was an illuminist and a Jewish lackey, simply don't understand the trading banks, or internal German money that funded German NSDAP economy.  
 
Holocaust storytelling meets all the objectives of an In-group wanting special status, so their thefts do not come under scrutiny.   Extreme lying is an outgrowth of Cabala, where the the "end" justifies the means.   If your group is its own god, then anything goes.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 18, 2018 - 11:59am
True in full, Mefobills.
 
The early Third Reich tried to explain it from 1933.  By 1943 it was too late for teaching the world because most of the world already began to close in on Germany.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 18, 2018 - 12:34pm
Tom,
 Economy>Politics>War
 
It was all about economy.  NSDAP economy had resurrected Frederick List's Industrial Capitalism. 
 
Finance Capitalism centered in London, could not stand for this.  Zion's precursors, finance Jews from Amsterdamn had inserted themselves into England in 1694 with advent of BOE.  This then birthed the latest in a long line of Jewish money making schemes.  This finance capital scheme is trying to take over the world, hence WW3.
 
A healthy body will eject its parasites.  Of course the parasite will put up a fight, it does not want to give up its easy life of rents and usury.
 
Russia is an almost exact parallel to the Weimar years, with the same playbook used.  Putin, though is playing the game much smarter and taking a longer time scale view.
 
Churchill was influenced due to his Jewish antecedents, and the fact he was being given "loans" to maintain his estates.  
 
_________________
 
 
 
World War 2.
"We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." Winston Churchill. 1936 broadcast.
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"Germany becomes too powerful, (Economically) we have to crush it." Winston Churchill, November 1936 speaking to US General Robert E. Wood.
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"This war is an English war and its goal is the destruction of Germany." Winston Churchill, Autumn 1939 broadcast.
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"The war wasn't only about abolishing fascism, but to conquer sales markets. We could have, if we had intended so, prevented this war from breaking out without doing one shot, but we didn't want to." Winston Churchill to Truman. Fultun, USA March 1946.
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"Germany's unforgivable crime before WW2 was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system, and to build up an independent exchange system from which the world finance couldn't profit anymore. We butchered the wrong pig."
Winston Churchill. The Second World War, Bern, 1960.
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"We made a monster, a devil out of Hitler, therefore we couldn't disavow it after the war. After all, we mobilized the masses against the devil himself. So we were forced to play our part in this diabolic scenario after the war. In no way we could have pointed out to our people that the war only was an economic preventive measure." US Sec of State, James Baker. 1992.
________________________________________________________
"The enemy is the German Reich and not Nazism, and those who still haven't understood this, haven't understood anything."
Churchill's chief counselor Robert Lord Vansittart, as said to foreign minister Lord Halifax, September 1940
 
 
Pardero Added Apr 18, 2018 - 12:53pm
Before America entered the Great War, most Americans wished to be neutral, and some sided with Germany. 
A powerful campaign was launched to shift public opinion, which included Hollywood, newspaper tycoons, wealthy East coast elites, and international financiers. Incidents, such as the sinking of the Lusitania, which actually was a legitimate military target, since it was full of ammunition, were used to accelerate the public's shifting opinion.
The German people were certainly aware of the forces that caused their catastrophic misfortune after the Great War. 
So often, people are quick to note a reaction, to an extreme provocation, while ignoring or downplaying the cause.
Tom C. Purcell's question,'which came first, the chicken or the egg?' is certainly pertinent when considering animosities between groups.
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 18, 2018 - 1:51pm
Pardero,
 
And Jeffrey Kelly likes to call you uninformed...  If you disagree with the mainstream, you are uninformed, misinformed, anti-Semitic, racist, even dangerous it seems.  That's my experience.  But truth is only repellent to liars, and truth is indestructible. 
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 18, 2018 - 1:55pm
Mefobills,
 
Well placed quotes from those statesmen.  I especially loathe Churchill, the drunken buffoon turned war criminal...I mean war hero (he won, so no charges only medals).
Flying Junior Added Apr 18, 2018 - 2:26pm
I would enjoy your thoughts on dinosaurs and ancient Troy.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 18, 2018 - 2:28pm
Tom, I call all of you misinformed, not just Pardero.
 
You in particular but I will give you some credit, you know more than Doug.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 18, 2018 - 2:35pm
FJ, you would, huh?  Check out some of my other articles, maybe the one on the Normans or medieval castles if you appreciate my writing but dislike this subject.
MEFOBILLS Added Apr 18, 2018 - 2:37pm
Jeffrey is the irritant to the Oyster- which then makes a Pearl.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 18, 2018 - 2:43pm
Well said.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 18, 2018 - 4:25pm
I know, I drop my pearls of wisdom on you.  You both could learn something.
 
;)