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Today, Friday April 13th (sic) 2018, may or may not be remembered as the beginning of World War III. The Trump regime has broken international law and the Geneva Convention (again) by attacking without provocation the sovereign Syrian nation, a close ally of Russia. This act of naked aggression may very well be the beginning of hostilities between the two world's nuclear superpowers. Only time will tell. More here: Trump Attacks Syria -http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49216.htm

 

Someone who I work with asked me if I had any plans for the weekend. I told him they we (the family) may catch a movie, but mostly I and my family will be staying home where we have access to a sub-basement bomb shelter, and that will be the plan until the Syrian crisis is over. He had no idea what I was talking about. Like most Americans he is zombified into thinking nothing is happening in the world to worry about. In fact we are now at a critical point where the tensions between the United States and Russia are worse than during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Are you ready for WWIII? And what if anything have you done or are you doing to prevent it? 

 

Fact is had Hillary Clinton been elected war between the United States and Russia would have most likely happened a year ago, and we would all be dead or envying the dead. Trump bought us another year  and although I'm grateful for that I want more. Don't you? The question now is what can we do to defuse this incredibly dangerous situation? 

 

 

Comments

Flying Junior Added Apr 13, 2018 - 11:46pm
No.
Gerrilea Added Apr 13, 2018 - 11:47pm
James T-- Thank you for bringing this to our attention.  If Russia doesn't respond through this weekend, we may survive. 
 
There's a couple reasons Trump acted now. 
->>1st The UN team was en-route to Ghuta and would have been there within hours to take samples and see what happened.  NOW that won't occur. The neocons that have control of Trump would not allow the truth to be known, not this time.
 
This all comes down to the Cohen raid.  They've got the goods on Trump and if he doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in Leavenworth, he'll do whatever they say.
 
->>2nd The Russians & the Chinese were repositioning their forces and weren't quite where they needed to be.  They had to strike before they were in position.
 
As for what we can do now? Pray to your higher power, within yourself or without.  I'd go for the one within, that's the real one they don't want you to know even exists.
 
IF that doesn't work, the only solution is to rise up & protest, get off the couch, Iphone OR computer and let those in power know we're not going to allow this insanity to continue.
 
I begged others a couple days ago to call them all...clearly no one really cares or paid attention.
 
Blessings & Peace to you and yours.
 
Gerrilea Added Apr 13, 2018 - 11:49pm
Oh James T-- And yes, I agree 100% that we'd have been wiped out already had Killary been elected POTUS. She made it clear she was going after Assad as soon as she was sworn in.  At least we got a couple years extra.
 
James Travil Added Apr 13, 2018 - 11:58pm
Thanks for the comments and input Gerrilea. I too believe that this attack came when it did for a variety of reasons, especially to destroy evidence. If I thought that the chemical attack was a false flag before I'm 100% certain of this fact now. I also agree with the suggestions you made. Like I said in the article my coworkers and I'm sure most are clueless of the dangerous situation we are in. But indeed this will be a long night, hopefully an uneventful one. 
James Travil Added Apr 13, 2018 - 11:59pm
Also, regarding -
"As for what we can do now? Pray to your higher power, within yourself or without.  I'd go for the one within, that's the real one they don't want you to know even exists."
I couldn't agree more about the real one within :) 
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 12:09am
James Travil,
Great article; though I am gloomy. Trump sold us out.
My hope is that Putin continues to exercise immense restraint.
Our guy didn't, but we can hope that Putin is a better man. 
This is a setback for peace in Syria, but maybe they can recover quickly.
 
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 12:34am
James T--  I knew you'd understand!  :-)  And boy, if you set that one free...look out world... Maybe some day I'll share what I've experienced and how it's formed my personal belief system.  There is nothing more powerful than a man whom knows himself & the world he controls.
 
Pardero-- Yes, Trump sold us out, like everything else.  He's now signaled he'd join the T.P.P.  I was wondering how long it would take.
 
Clearly things changed with the Cohen raids.
 
James Travil Added Apr 14, 2018 - 12:43am
"Clearly things changed with the Cohen raids."
And with neocon thugs like John Bolton at the decision table. 
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 1:13am
James T-- Bolten is/was a member of PNAC.  In early 2000, they told us what their plans were
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2018 - 1:47am
With any luck at all the Russians will sink the DUHmerican ships and bomb the airbases these DUHmerican terrorist attacks were launched from. 
 
A 200 megaton airburst over the Swamp would be good too. 
 
DUHmerica needs to be brought to heel sooner rather than later.
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:15am
Jeffry G-- Boy would I love to believe something would be done.  I fear this is all part of the show.  If the Russians & Iranians & Chinese all back down, this world is theirs, the creatures of the swamp.
 
 
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:16am
Jeffry Gilbert,
I think exactly the same way sometimes. Some say Russia ain't so tough, other say they are.
James Travil Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:39am
Pardero, everyone; it's not a question of are the Russians tough. It's a question of what Putin and their generals determine is the best course of action, especially given the possible outcome of a counterattack. The long game must be considered, the stakes are just too high to respond too quickly. 
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:42am
James,
You are right. V.V. Putin would never be a hothead. He will plan 10 moves ahead.
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 3:32am
James & Pardero--  Maybe he'll decide the only winning move is not to play the game?
 
War Games, anyone???
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 14, 2018 - 5:49am
James
 
Just read it today, shook head and ate my eggs. I have no words left to say to all this bullshit. May our species extinct itself by its own stupidity.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 14, 2018 - 5:50am
Pard
 
What's the difference between the Putin gang and the Trump gang ? The first have brains LOL
Stone-Eater Added Apr 14, 2018 - 5:53am
Some say Russia ain't so tough, other say they are.
 
They are, believe me. They KNOW what war is - they've lost 30 million people in WW2. And I'm dead sure they won't allow that again.
 
Their plus is that they can analyze and wait.....
opher goodwin Added Apr 14, 2018 - 6:58am
Let us hope sanity prevails - although I've not seen a lot of that lately.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Apr 14, 2018 - 7:41am
So Trump said we were leaving Syria. Poop! People are gassed. Trump stays his order and let fly some bombs.  Britain and France appear attached to Trump's Johnson as partners in international crime. Oh, they are bombing a people to save people we refused to grant asylum. The two hanging chads on Trump's Johnson has their problem with bombing every other day. But the shit coming to America will require Americans in the land of the Brave and the home of the free to have a passport to travel from state to state, as the travel naked to get on an airplane.
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 14, 2018 - 7:47am
The US isolates itself from the world by its "policies". Good. Stay where you are. Leave the rest of the world alone. We don't need obese people, Gangsta Rap and fast food. Offer some value other than weapons and useless crap....
Stone-Eater Added Apr 14, 2018 - 7:48am
Oph
 
Nice Dream - Radiohead 1995
John Minehan Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:09am
"NO-body expects the Spanish Inquisition!"
George N Romey Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:16am
Iraq is going to see this as a very direct threat to them. Trump is doing this to divert attention away from his own dirt. We’re headed towards a large scale war. The neocons have won, they got their wish.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:17am
I worry more about UN Blue Helmets than anything. I think that nukes aren't real and that once the PNAC is fully executed the Left will start executing us in the name of saving the planet or saving us from something we should be afraid of. Its the hypocrisy of the left and the tolerance of it that scares me.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:30am
"NO-body expects the Spanish Inquisition!"
lol.
 
Tinkerbell emailed me, she says don't worry about the nukes.
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:43am
Doug P-- Sadly, nuclear weapons are real and deadly.  I haven't heard anything about those 'blue helmets" for years.
 
As for the "left" vs "right", the end results are the same, our enslavement. It hasn't been one faction against the other but both against We The People.  They have to keep the illusion alive and why Trump is going after guns, attacking Syria AND now saying he's gonna join the T.P.P.
 
All the things Hillary was for, he's now doing.  How odd, indeed.
 
What has the "right" done for the past 2 years?  We still have Obamacare, we're still engaged in unfunded endless wars, the MIC takes 62 cents of every tax dollar. They're still coming for the guns and the wealthy elite GOT more tax breaks, still no wall, still endless immigration, police still executing Americans, with impunity.
 
From where I'm sitting, they've already won, you just don't know it yet.  And I'll bet you one nickel (I only bet what I can afford to lose), the Democrats will win the House back in December.
 
Women are Inferior Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:52am
As far as I'm concerned, World War 3 started on 9/11/2001.
George N Romey Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:52am
Both the right and the left have done exactly what the Deep State aka plutocrats have told them to do. In the end the left/right labels are meaningless. It’s what the Occupy Wall Street movement said-the 99 % versus the 1%, or in reality the .01%.  Yet there will be no shortage of clueless Americans ( a few here on WB) that will swear this isn’t a big deal, the economy is great and America doesn’t have a massive debt peonage problem which immensely benefits the .01%.
George N Romey Added Apr 14, 2018 - 8:53am
Oh and I forgot illegal immigration is a net positive. 
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 9:30am
George, George, George...I see you've joined us on the dark side, finally.  The price of Strawberries are safe, as well as the largest market for said in the world.
 
Whew, we weren't sure if we could ever bring you around.  Nice to see you here in hell with the rest of us...wait....I mean...paradise.
 
George N Romey Added Apr 14, 2018 - 9:42am
Oh I’ve been here for awhile. Bush, Obama, Clinton and now Trump nothing more than puppets.  
Doug Plumb Added Apr 14, 2018 - 10:20am
Gerilea re "Doug P-- Sadly, nuclear weapons are real and deadly.  I haven't heard anything about those 'blue helmets" for years."
 
The nukes is a lie so big that you have to believe it. Tell a little lie and no one believes you, tell a big enough lie and everyone believes you. By extention, tell a BIGGER lie and everyone MUST believe you.
If everyone just pointed their finger at these people saying this and broke into laughter, the NWO proponents and architects would be heading for the hills.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 14, 2018 - 10:21am
When you see the BIG ONE going off on the Set, please know that I still will not believe it.
Leroy Added Apr 14, 2018 - 11:13am
We are about to find out if Putin is another O.  It could be the beginning of the end of Putin if he doesn't make an effective counter strike.  I don't think he will.  He has already lost billions.  Money is what it is all about to him and his buddies.  They won't let him destroy their own wealth.  Putin doesn't have an interest in squandering his own.
 
Too many of you are too quick to take the Russian side.  You will be disappointed if Putin doesn't start a major war with the West so that you can prove how morally right you are.
George N Romey Added Apr 14, 2018 - 11:19am
Putin may very well not act. But the Iranians know they are next. They are the ultimate prize in the Middle East. There’s already been the false flag and narrative that the Iranian people were starving due to lack of food. It’s only a matter of time before the big false flag hits. Is Iran going to simply do nothing?
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 11:34am
Doug P-- You have to understand physics, just a little, to understand how big booms can be created.  I'm disappointed, I guess I saw something in your arguments that really wasn't there, depth.
 
Can you deny Hiroshima or Nagasaki? Or the hundreds of hours of military footage long before the invention of the computer & video editing capabilities?  
 
I can't. 
 
Have you ever been in a Nuclear Power Plant?  I have, my Dad help build 9-Mile Nuclear Power Plant in Oswego, NY.
 
Nuclear Weapons are very real & deadly.
 
Dino Manalis Added Apr 14, 2018 - 12:28pm
America; Britain; and France punished Assad for using chemical weapons, while Moscow merely said Syria knocked down 71 of 105 missiles launched, because they didn't do anything!    Russia wants peace, not World War III!
James Travil Added Apr 14, 2018 - 12:41pm
Russia has stopped the cowardly unprovoked attack - [The Latest: Russia: Missiles aimed at Syrian air base downed] http://va.newsrepublic.net/article/i6544116249205408265?user_id=6498982334144971786&language=en&region=us&app_id=1239&impr_id=6544341128718600458&gid=6544116249205408265&c=sys&language=en
 
Gerrilea, just ignore Doug. He's only around for comic relief.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 14, 2018 - 1:14pm
James, the Deep State has Trump by the short and curlies on this. As the old saing goes, "When you've got them by the bollocks their hearts and minds will follow."
It must be significant that the alleged chemical weapon attack happened just a few days after The Donald went head to head with senior Pentagon staffers over the anticipated length of US involvement in Syria.
Did Trump cave because their arguments won him over, or because he didn't fancy a bullet through his brain?
opher goodwin Added Apr 14, 2018 - 1:58pm
Doug - the earth is flat - it really is!
opher goodwin Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:02pm
The trouble with these things is that they could escalate and go anywhere.
Only took one bullet in Sarajevo to start World War 1.
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:12pm
Leroy,
You wrote  "disappointed if Putin doesn't start a major war."
 
I can understand that some people have a low opinion of Putin. I take issue with people believing that "Putin fan boys" wish for counterstrikes or war. I had pacifist tendencies before Putin came along.
Seems to me that Syria was prosperous and one of the most stable and inclusive countries in the Middle East, until a chain of interventions and foreign support of Islamists led to 'civil war.'
 
I doubt if Putin hoped for an illegal coup in Ukraine, that installed oligarchs as leaders, 2 months before elections. We may see it differently, but I saw a reaction to an existential threat, not an evil money bags trying to get richer or take over the world.
 
We see people with Trump Derangement Syndrome all the time. I hope they don't ascribe a lot of negative characteristics to me, because I am still a lukewarm supporter.
I can only speak for myself, but I actually hope there is not a counterstrike, whether or not Putin shows restraint because it will cost him money, or because he is more peaceful than some believe. Wars have started over lesser provocations.
Damned if he does(aggressive world domination goal), damned if he don't(only because it will cost him many rubles)?
One definition of conservative could be maintaining the status quo. Seems to me that it is not Putin who instigated a disruption in the status quo. 
We don't have a new war, because one party turned the other cheek, after a provocation that was conducted illegally before an investigation. Whether the motives were virtuous or selfish, uncommon restraint has temporarily prevented an escalation of conflict.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 14, 2018 - 2:53pm
or because he didn't fancy a bullet through his brain?
 
They'd be more likely to put one in Ivanka's brain if he gets out of line. More effective threat.
 
Doug Plumb Added Apr 14, 2018 - 3:46pm
Gerrilia re "You have to understand physics, just a little, to understand how big booms can be created.  I'm disappointed, I guess I saw something in your arguments that really wasn't there, depth.
 
Can you deny Hiroshima or Nagasaki? Or the hundreds of hours of military footage long before the invention of the computer & video editing capabilities?  
 
I can't. 
 
Have you ever been in a Nuclear Power Plant?  I have, my Dad help build 9-Mile Nuclear Power Plant in Oswego, NY."
 
This doesn't make a bomb. There is a nuclear engineer, actual Chemical/Process control guy online that says he swam in the "swimming pool" (CANDU reactors)  nightly when he worked at the plant. Jay Dyer reads Tragedy and Hope which shows the secrecy and speed under which the internationalists managed the making of the bomb. While Quigley doesn't deny it, he just states the facts, the facts sure raise questions.
Tell a big enough lie and everyone believes it. The peddling of fear is what our governments do to maintain control. The bomb makes a true revolution seem impossible. Its serves a purpose, real or not. First person to use it loses, along with everyone else. No need for it to actually be real to be effective, none at all.
There is a NASA engineer on youtube talking about sending men to Mars. They can't figure out how to get through Van Allen. Did they forget that it only requires a 1/4 inch aluminum shield?
So, they lied about the moon landings but didn't about nukes?
You are right about me not being a physicist, but I'm not saying that you cannot make Uranium get hot.
 
James Travil Added Apr 14, 2018 - 4:04pm
"So, they lied about the moon landings"
Ridiculous! Back in college we bounced a lazer off one of the mirrors left on the moon and waited for it to return. If the Apollo astronauts didn't put those mirrors there who did? Aliens maybe? Like I said before people, ignore Doug or realize he is just here for comic relief. 
Doug Plumb Added Apr 14, 2018 - 4:24pm
There are things called crystals. You can go to lots of places and find naturally occuring perfectly mirrored surfaces.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 14, 2018 - 4:24pm
No need for it to actually be real to be effective, none at all.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 14, 2018 - 4:25pm
If it was real, it would just be a coincidence.
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 4:57pm
Doug Plumb,
I once made the mistake of ridiculing a conspiracy theorist on the wrong blog. I took a 'beating' I will never forget. 
 
I say this out of fondness, not malice, that you should be more discriminating in choosing theories to promote. You have a good mind, and discernment should be a well-developed quality. You may not be using it in regards to conspiracy theories.
Weigh a list of theories, and select a few with the most probability of being true. Often, an article is the best place for one, you will attract a like-minded crowd, and have an opportunity to share more in the comments. Location is everything with such material.
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 5:06pm
Doug P-- This is comedy, right?  At college we could, if we wanted to, go up to the Astronomy Lab and shoot lasers at the Moon & exactly as James T stated, wait for them to come back.  I never actually got the chance but I never doubted we went to the Moon. 
 
As for the Van Allen Belt "controversy".  It's really simple, the "radiation" is weaker on the dark side of the Earth and no more dangerous than a chest x-ray.  Exactly what the Apollo Astronauts did.
 
Now if you want me to believe we had the tech capable of getting there in '69?  I'm not sold on that idea.  We had a propaganda war to win against the Soviets, but we did finally get there.
 
The survivors of Nagasaki & Hiroshima documented what happened.  Soon you'll be telling me that the Holocaust didn't happen. 
 
Let's not continue this subject.
 
I'm truly grateful that the Russians have yet to act.  The Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, couldn't do anything, he was at dinner with Trump at Mar-a-Lago last night when the attack occurred.
 
And now China seems to be playing "peace-maker".
 
DINO M---  Present evidence of a chemical attack.  If that is the imaginary "line in the sand" then we have to talk.
 
     "Col. Venable denied that white phosphorous constituted
     a banned chemical weapon.
 
     Washington is not a signatory to an international treaty
     restricting the use of the substance against civilians.
     The US state department had earlier said white phosphorus
     had been used in Falluja very sparingly, for illumination
     purposes."
 
 
Then we have the use of depleted uranium.  A War Crime & Crime Against Humanity.
 
And in case you weren't sure:
 
Depleted Uranium: A war crime within a war crime.
 
Maybe some day you can give me a shot, a drug or a good wack on the head so that I see the world the way you do.  Maybe some day I'll agree that "We're bringing them Democracy" or "We're saving them by killing them"!
 
Ugh.
John Minehan Added Apr 14, 2018 - 5:07pm
"Only took one bullet in Sarajevo to start World War 1."
 
And a number of entangling alliances and competing mobilization schedules . . . . 
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 5:22pm
Gerrilea,
Before we "Let's not continue this subject." On a similar subject, nobody would deny the terrible treatment of the Indians by the U.S., but the 'smallpox blankets' is a myth. Denying 'smallpox blankets' is not denying other happenings.
Now we can "Let's not continue this subject," if everyone is agreeable. 
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 5:27pm
Gerrilea,
Terrific and helpful comment, in spite of my tiny nitpick.
Leroy Added Apr 14, 2018 - 5:38pm
"Seems to me that Syria was prosperous and one of the most stable and inclusive countries in the Middle East, until a chain of interventions and foreign support of Islamists led to 'civil war.'"
 
Assad is a thug, much like Qadaffi.  But, he keeps order over the tribes.  Until O intervened, all was well.  He upset the applecart in the Middle East with his lead from behind policies in Egypt, Libya, Syria, and Israel.  Could it be a false flag?  It's possible, but I doubt it.
 
I think Trump was right when he indicated to the Russians that Assad could stay.  As far as the gas attacks, I believed they happened.  Did Assad order them?  Probably not, but he kept the chemical warfare program, despite Kerry and O's assertions to the contrary.  It just shows how naive they were.  It was only a matter of time.  Trump's response was weak and ineffective.   It did not punish the regime.  It only limited its capacity to manufacturer the gases.  All they understand is death and mayhem.   I really see no reason for the Russians to respond to it.
 
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 5:56pm
Leroy,
Thank you for that reply. 
I tend to be fickle, up to a point, in my beliefs. Perhaps my naivite makes me more trusting of the motives of some.
I agree with your characterization of Trump's response. That response seems to be an attempt to thread a needle between those of stronger opinions, and those with more sympathetic ones. 
It almost appears as a 'deal' that pleases no one, but those with differing opinions, can grudgingly live with.
Peace. : )
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 6:36pm
Pardero- You are right, I engaged in a strawman argument.  I shouldn't have but I felt his rationalizations were going in that direction.
 
Leroy-- There is no evidence that the Assad government engaged in chemical weapon against his own people.  Besides, guess what?  It's not against International Law to use them on your own people.
 
Otherwise our US of A would be in deep shit.
 
 
John Minehan Added Apr 14, 2018 - 7:09pm
False flag?  More likely an ambitious Brigade or Division Commander who remembers where Assad pere came from . . . . 
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 7:13pm
Gerrilea,
You and Leroy are 2 of my favorite personalities. I would hate to get into a row with either of you.
Leroy Added Apr 14, 2018 - 7:21pm
"There is no evidence that the Assad government engaged in chemical weapon against his own people.  Besides, guess what?  It's not against International Law to use them on your own people."
 
Gerrilea, you seem to suggest that it is ok to watch a government gas its own people.  I agree that we have no responsibility to get involved.  I also agree that if we can intervene to save innocent lives, then we should do it.  We obviously can't do it against a government such as Russia.  We stand idlingly by while China takes the lives of about one and a half millions innocents each year whose worse crime is meditating so that there is always a fresh supply of organs.  It is impractical to intervene.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 14, 2018 - 7:23pm
Saddam, Assad and Kathafi had the same goal: Sell their oil to THEIR conditions independent of the US$. That's the whole story.
Leroy Added Apr 14, 2018 - 7:36pm
Considering your link, Gerrilea, tear gas doesn't fall in the same category as sarin or even chlorine gas.  It's a stretch to condemn the US for the use of it.  Don't mistake me; I think what the government did was reprehensible and entirely unnecessary and tantamount to genocide.
Leroy Added Apr 14, 2018 - 7:38pm
Thanks for your kind words, Pardero.  I'm not such a bad guy to tangle with.
James Travil Added Apr 14, 2018 - 9:35pm
Hopefully we have seen all the responses from all sides that we are going to, as limited as they were. No sane person wants WWIII.
 
I mentioned in the article that I have access to a bomb shelter, which is true. But although (as long as we had time to get home) we could survive the initial bombs and have supplies for a good while, what nightmare world would we find once we had to emerge? The idiots in government need to consider the same thing. 
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 10:18pm
Leroy--  I understand the morality and the claims thereof. Do I think using chemical weapons on your own people is a crime that should be dealt with? Sure, by the people that live there.  There is evidence that at Waco it wasn't just tear gas.  There is a documentary that explains what the investigators found afterwards.
 
Waco- A New Revelation
 
That's just the tip of the iceberg. Our government has experimented on us for decades without our knowledge with biological & chemical weapons.
 
I really wouldn't want an "international coalition" to attack us, even though I bitch and ponder how a wonderful world this would be if DC was taken off the map.
 
WE The People must hold them responsible, its our duty...not someone else.   Might makes right???  I simply cannot agree. Besides we've done some really horrendous things to others, in foreign nations. 
 
Let's face it, we've killed millions since the end of WWII, for "morality's sake", when in truth, it was to create economic serfs, worldwide.
 
 
 
Gerrilea Added Apr 14, 2018 - 10:21pm
James T-- The one thing you need access to is clean water. Without that you'll be dead in less than 2 weeks.
 
I have enough food for about 3 months, just in case.  Water is the challenge for me.  I buy those damn gallon jugs and they literally melt after a few months storage.
 
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 10:25pm
Zerohedge has posted pictures of entrances to massive gov. underground complexes, some in Virginia. Those SOBs think they can survive a nuclear war. I appreciate that ZH also supplied latitudes and longitudes for interested parties. Just as a bus driver is near the windshield of a bus, so should the government be accessible to those that they pick fights with. Too often, ordinary people suffer, and the elites go on their merry way with the loot.
 
James Travil Added Apr 14, 2018 - 10:50pm
Gerrilea we have rations to last us for a little over a month. That's long enough for the radiation to die down. There is room for more I just never thought we would ever need it. Maybe it's time to reevaluate that.
 
Right now anyone paying attention to this situation is wondering how far Russia can be pushed. How many more acts of aggression facilitated by blatant false flags will it take before Russia responds aggressively? How much can you poke the bear before it bites? It seems like the elites in power may be determined to find the answer to that question. 
James Travil Added Apr 14, 2018 - 10:57pm
Just to recap US, French and British forces bombed the Syrian government yesterday in response to an alleged chemical weapons attack that was very clearly not what we're being told. There are repeated instances of children's bodies being posed to elicit sympathy and outrage, fake photos of children receiving medical care, and testimony from purported witnesses that the narrative was deliberately and dishonestly manipulated on the scene to make cases of smoke inhalation look like people recovering from a chemical weapons attack. Jaysh al-Islam, the terrorist faction in control of Douma at the time, was clearly involved in a propaganda effort against the Assad government marketed to a western audience.
 
That all above includes evidence that this was indeed a false flag. Therefore we (the USA via CIA backed terrorists) staged an event as an excuse for the attack. Simply outrageous. 
Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 11:55pm
James Travil,
Great comment and links. Too bad the neo-cons shun anything and anyone that doesn't fit their world view. They will miss that information-laden comment.
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:37am
Fact is had Hillary Clinton been elected war between the United States and Russia would have most likely happened a year ago, and we would all be dead or envying the dead.
 
lol you fucking dumbass.  You voted for the bitch. Own it.
James Travil Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:13am
Flying Junior, Ad Hominem garbage will not be tolerated! This is your first warning. And no I didn't vote for the bitch, I doubt anyone here was crazy enough to do that. I voted for Trump, who as bad as he is, is a million times better than the omnicidal unhinged warmonger bloodthirsty psychopath Hillary Clinton. And Trump is no worse than Bush or Obama either. This endless nonsense from the left that Trump is something unusually awful is played out bullshit and has repeatedly been proven false. Grow up. 
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:19am
Calm down Devil Boy. Your GOD Satin, will have to wait! Come out of the basement, and smell the fresh air of security.
USA now has a President who will not tolerate the slaughter of innocents, and can stand up to threats, knowing USA is the only SUPERPOWER, and that Putin knows it too.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:26am
Flying Junior, Ad Hominem garbage will not be tolerated!
AREN'T YOU THE TYRANT! I know that I will be deleted by you also. Your ideas are ludicrous, and you are a coward who cannot stand up to criticism.
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:26am
You voted for Trump.  Just who did you think I was talking about.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:28am
                                        

Pardero Added Apr 14, 2018 - 11:55pm





James Travil,
Great comment and links. Too bad the neo-cons shun anything and anyone that doesn't fit their world view. They will miss that information-laden comment.
 
Perfect example of transference!
 
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:33am
Transference describes a situation where the feelings, desires, and expectations of one person are redirected and applied to another person. Most commonly, transference refers to a therapeutic setting, where a person in therapy may apply certain feelings or emotions toward the therapist.Aug 28, 2015




Transference - GoodTherapy.org


https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/transference




James Travil Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:37am
Exlax you are ridiculous. We have another war criminal president no different from Bush or Obama. The chemical attack was obviously a false flag, Pardero and I have already provided proof of this. The coward Trump attacked to destroy the evidence that HE and his people were behind it. Trump is not only a war criminal but a hypocrite murderer of the children killed in the chemical attack he himself ordered. You are too busy sucking Trump's cock down on your knees to come up for air or see the truth. Go back to diddling little girls you punk. 
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:41am
Omnicide?
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:53am
James,
 
My whole thing was that Syria was dropping barrel bombs on their own people in an indiscriminate way to cause fear and terror.
 
I thought that it was completely insane to support Assad and Putin.  President Obama was trying to support the freedom fighters in the civil war.  The last thing that I heard was that Trump was supporting Putin's efforts to suppress any dissent against Assad.  I figured that Trump was going in full-tilt to support Putin's efforts to prop up Assad.  Not sure why bombs are needed.
 
I don't really know that is going on.  The last thing that I am likely to do is go to a right-leaning blog or someone like Caitlyn Johnstone to learn the truth.  I'm not in a big hurry.
 
But if you would care to tell me in one or two sentences what is happening that would be okay.  Has Trump double-crossed his butt-buddy Putin?  Just what are these targets that he is trying to smart-bomb?
 
It seems to me like Trump is just a little boy dictator who would love nothing more than starting a new war.  It won't be a world war.
 
Clinton never threatened Russia.  She was never even president.  She was the Secretary of State.  Top diplomat.
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:15am
JT and Pardaro.
I have experienced the same problem you two have.
Every time I try to get people to understand that the moon is made of green cheese, they just won't listen. No matter how many times I explain that the moon landing was obviously a false flag, to justify all that spending, people just call me ridiculous.
What kind of idiot believes Astronauts and the millions of photos of the universe. It was all faked to diminish Russian dominance of space.
I think JFK had a moon scape built in a warehouse.
I didn't know Trump was in Thailand? How ever did you find out he was my lover? More brilliance from RT I suppose. Yes, I do diddle little girls. Most of them are 45 kg and 150 cm.
How much does your wife/girlfriend weigh? can you breath when that stomach covers your head while you suck her dick?
THE DEVIL MADE YOU DO IT, SAY!
EXPAT Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:19am
By the way. ad hominem is:
You are too busy sucking Trump's cock down on your knees to come up for air or see the truth. Go back to diddling little girls you punk. 
 
 
James Travil Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:27am
"By the way. ad hominem is:
You are too busy sucking Trump's cock down on your knees to come up for air or see the truth. Go back to diddling little girls you punk."
You started it God boy. You think I won't retaliate? You've got to be joking Exlax. 
James Travil Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:30am
BTW Exlax how does it feel to be a traitorous scumbag that supports a murderer of children, a traitor like Trump who just took a dump on the United States Constitution  international law and the Geneva Convention? A scumbag that supports the same terrorists behind 9/11 and also supports Nazis in Ukraine? You make me sick. 
James Travil Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:34am
Flying Hypocrite please tell me and us all how make believe "barrel bombs" are somehow worse than the cowardly drone murders by Obama of women and children at weddings and funerals? And BTW nice homophobia comments, typical of a Hillary Clinton cultist scumbag hypocrite. I bet the LGBT community really love your ilk. 
James Travil Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:39am
Oh and shit for brains Flying Hypocrite Hillary endlessly threatened Russia. Swore she would set up a no fly zone over Syria on day one if she was elected. That would equal war with Russia = nuclear war = human extinction. That's what you voted for you subhuman vermin. Expat, as low as he is, is a PRINCE compared to establishment Democratic scum like you. You are NOT welcome here or anywhere in my presence. Expat may embody simple treason as a neocon idiot, but you willfully have dedicated yourself to the destruction of civilization and human extinction by your stance backing that fucking BITCH!
James Travil Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:41am

omnicide. Noun. (uncountable) The total extinction of the human species as a result of human action. Most commonly it refers to human extinction through nuclear warfare, but it can also refer to such extinction through other means such as global anthropogenic ecological catastrophe.








Omnicide dictionary definition | omnicide defined - YourDictionary
That is for shit for brains. 






Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:23am
Flying Junior,
EXPAT,
You two make a nice looking couple of war-mongers.
They say politics makes for strange bedfellows. When you sober up, you may want to consider how you wound up together. 
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:39am
Flying Junior,
EXPAT,
I think I know how you two hooked up.
FDR, Flying Junior's hero, was in bed with Stalin.
You two are role-playing. To use a technical term, that is just icky.
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:46am
EXPAT, 
Instead of trying to psychoanalyze me, your time would be better spent looking up false flag. Can you say false flag? I knew you could.
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:49am
Flying Junior,
A nuclear holocaust is a small price to pay, to extract revenge on a handfull of Russian trolls that posted pro Bernie messages that resulted in your queen not getting crowned.
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:08am
Flying Junior, 
You claim to be a New Deal Democrat, would their modern name be War Party or Neo-con by any chance?
Cheers from a natural gas well frac operation, named with appropriate ethnic and current event sensitivity, War Bonnet 25d.
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:10am
EXPAT,
While you are psychoanalyzing me, could you look up the term for an unnatural fear of nuclear holocaust?
Stone-Eater Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:27am
Lol another little fight....I have food in stock for a day but water is no problem in switzerland (well....radiation might become).
 
In Senegal it's the opposite. We have livestock but water is more scarce. But there also get a big one droppen on my head is less probable than in Switzerland.
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:29am
BTW: Better be nuked in a nanosecond than slowly creeping of cancer.....
 
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:38am
Stone-Eater,
I believe you on that. I am probably safe from immediate death; in middle of nowhere Wyoming. I could hole up in an abandoned coal mine. 
If you have to have a nuclear war, the other side of the world is better than here.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:39am
My oh my it certainly has become rancourous on this thread. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:43am
Better be nuked in a nanosecond than slowly creeping of cancer.....
 
I'm thinking Ambien, a bottle of Zacapa and a nicely prepared pipe of black heroin will do the trick when the time comes. 
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:43am
I am in the high desert. Those rivers are a ways away. We rely on wells and the nearest river. The beauty of snow country and mountains, is plenty of snow to melt.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:50am
 
The beauty of snow country and mountains, is plenty of snow to melt.
 
Bwahaawwww, unless it's changed drastically in the last 40+ years there's very little accumulation in the land of the sideways snow. Will always be that way because Nebraska sucks and Utah blows. 
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 6:04am
Jeffry Gilbert,
You do know this country! We have to rely on melting snowpack, from the Wind River Mountains. Somebody told me Harrison Ford has a place near here. South of town, maybe 30 miles, the Scientology people have some kind of underground facility.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:09am
Pard
 
Don't worry. The US doctrine is not to damage its own country but everyone else LOL
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:09am
Nice to talk to the extreme Alt-Writer Beat crew.
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:16am
Flying Junior,
Extreme is the new moderate.
George N Romey Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:18am
I’m not alt right. I’ve said that Clinton and Trump are too peas in a pod. I voted for neither because I correctly assumed Trump would be no match for the Deep State. Trump is following the program because he’s not willing to allow the Deep State to attack his “brand.” And given his background I’m sure they have some juicy stuff on him. To be fair the Deep State would have done the same to a President Sanders. HRC is already part and parcel to the Deep State program. She like Obama would have lied through her teeth. She, her husband, Obama and Trump all should be in a jail cell together.
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:20am
Stone-Eater,
Collateral damage r us.
Survivors will be democratized.
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:22am
I've met several irrational Hillary haters on this site.  James absolutely takes first prize hands down.  Teh crazy-crazy.
 
Pard,
 
I look to moderate voices from all sides. We don't need any more extremists.
 
Happy Sunday Writer Beaters!  Hope it's sunny wherever you may be.
John Minehan Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:24am


---This New Yorker article on Trump reminds me of his bankruptcy issues:  "If I owe the bank USD 500 I can't re-pay, I have a problem.  If I own the bank USD 800 million I can't pay, the bank has a problem."
 
---If he is in this deep, no one will take  it further.  Too many powerful people, in too many places, have too much to lose."
 



 
 


 


 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:26am
Nice to talk to the extreme Alt-Writer Beat crew
 
What is alt-right ? May I be enlightened on this subject ?
Stone-Eater Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:27am
John
 
"If I owe the bank USD 500 I can't re-pay, I have a problem.  If I own the bank USD 800 million I can't pay, the bank has a problem." 
 
No joke. That one Tweetie has perfectly under control
Stone-Eater Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:29am
FJ
 
irrational Hillary haters
 
My cousin worked in Libya for a year before your darling fucked up the place. Would you like to meet him ?
John Minehan Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:00am
"If I owe the bank USD 500 I can't re-pay, I have a problem.  If I own the bank USD 800 million I can't pay, the bank has a problem." 
 
It is an old saying among American lawyers; similar to "Pigs get fat but hogs get slaughtered."
George N Romey Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:14am
The Clintons and the Trumps ran in the same circles before 2016. Hell the Clintons went to Trump’s wedding and the daughters were friends. Trump and Bill regularly played golf together. I’ve seen the .05% in action while living in Manhattan. These people are competitive beyond sickening. They will forgo previous friendships and tear each other apart if they become adversaries.
 
In the end Trump knew what to say to the right crowd. He figured out how to get maximum play. I doubted whether he could get the job done as he claimed. So I voted for Stein because at least she realized the economy was a farce.
 
So far Trump has passed an outrageous tax cut that seems to be more doing nothing more than inflating the stock bubble. A few companies like Delta Airlines and Best Buy agreed to share some of their windfalls with employees but they’re the exception.
 
Other than the tax cut his 15 months in office has been nothing more than chaos. Just want the Deep State wants.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:22am
Way back up the thread Stoney mentioned the oil connection. Back on that theme I wonder how many people think it's just coincidence that the latest gas attack came just a few days after China launched the Petroyuan, the rival to the Petrodollar, on the Shanghai commodities market.
Bill Kamps Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:28pm
James, the missile attack was another example of the US using its military for no good purpose.  Nothing of value was accomplished, except that we put a few more dollars into the pockets of those who made the missiles. 
 
WWIII did not start last year when some missiles were fired, and it is not going to start this week either.  Just like when an airliner gets shot down over the Ukraine, countries arent going to end the world over this kind of action.   Putin go to spin the missiles his way by claiming he shot most of them down, so it was a win/win for both Trump and Putin.
 
While I am glad HRC did not get elected, saying that she  would have started WWIII is at least a bit hyperbolic.  The US has been engaged steadily in wars since WWII, and none of them have started WWIII.  This doesnt mean it wont happen.  However, if it does happen it will most  likely be a series of events people dont see coming, not a reaction to blowing up a few more buildings in Syria, which has buildings blown up every day.
 
Putin has no great love for the Syrians or Assad, and he is not going to the mat with the US even if we took out Assad by sending a few missiles to his home, instead of to his research facilities.  We bombed Qadaffi's home and WWIII did not start.  Syria is just a means to end for Putin, and he gets to use them to show he can extend his power, and possibly get better access to the Med.
John Minehan Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:38pm
Some background on Syria:
 
The USSR was a major ally of Baathist Syria going back to Assad's father.
 
The Russians have always wanted a warm water port on the Med and the Syrians gave it to the USSR.
 
The Syrians were apt pupils.  The IDF always had fewer  problems with the Syrians than with the Egyptians or the Iraqis.  I passed through Syrian Lines with 2d BDE, 1st CAV in '91 and they were impressive.  Visibly more effective than our fellow allies, the Egyptians, or our foes, the Iraqi Regular Army.
 
Assad pere had problems with the Ikhwan (Muslim Brotherhood) back in 1982 in a place called Hama.  The Syrian Army solved the problem by wiping out the town and the Ikhwan (Thomas Friedman's "Hama Rules").  
Back in 2011, the "Arab Spring" movement, as in Egypt, led by the Ikhwan pushed Assad fils back.
 
Most people thought he would be deposed (Bashar was an ophthalmologist who became President after his father's unexpected death). 
 
However, the Iranians helped (the Assads and most of the ruling Baath Party are Alawites, a Muslim Sect often deemed heretical, but which has historic and doctrinal ties to Shia Islam).  The Russians helped, eventually putting in Close Air Support, Ground Troops and Air Defense Missiles (like the SA-11s you probably remember from their use in Ukraine) in 2015.
 
In 2014, IS occupied a lot od Syrian territory and even had its capital there (Ruqa).  AQ offshoots were active there.  There were a lot of other groups/militias/armies trying to over throw Assad's Baathists.
 
Putin has staked his rep on Syria and he has been rewarded.  Iran has expanded its influence in Syria as it has Iraq and Yemen, although a lot of Iranians are unhappy with the blood and treasure expended  on these campaigns.
 
There have been a couple of uses of chemical weapons (mostly Chlorine, WWI tech) against civilians, going back to when the Obama Administration was drawing "Red Lines" back in 2013.  Trump hit them with TLAMs in 2017 and we hit them again over the issue on Friday.
 
The following is my opinion:
 
Were the chemical attacks a "false flag?"  I doubt it.  COL (R) Pat Lang (VMI'62) and Nassim Nicholas Taleb have suggested that Assad fils does NOT have the control over the Syrian military that his father (an AF MG) had and that a Brigade Commander or General is freelancing to make himself look better.  That seems plausible.
 
I think the PRC and Russia have decided to tilt towards Iran to: 1) block Sunni extremism; and 2) to generally help stabilize the "Heartlandwhich is central to the PRC's "One Belt/One Road" effort, which also tends to benefit Russia (if it works).
 
If you ask me, I think we need to stay out of this and let the PRC and Russia hash this out.  It is their sphere of influence and creates great potential to weaken/fray their alliance to our advantage.  
Bill Kamps Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:47pm
The Russians have always wanted a warm water port on the Med and the Syrians gave it to the USSR.
 
I agree with most of what you said, even this statement is true as far as it goes.  Currently Tartus, the port, can resupply/refuel some of the smaller ships in the Black Sea Fleet, but not the larger ones, and only a few at a time.  So while it is useful, it is a far cry from some of large value.
 
I agree with your conclusion there is limited upside to being involved in Syria.  Damaging ISIS has seemed to be worth the effort and the Russians really have not stopped this effort. 
 
I doubt the Russians care very much about the US sending a few missiles to Syria.  They blew up a few more buildings in a country full of destroyed buildings.  Putin immediately claimed he shot most of the missiles down, so it was spun as a win for him. 
 
 
John Minehan Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:52pm
"Currently Tartus, the port, can resupply/refuel some of the smaller ships in the Black Sea Fleet, but not the larger ones, and only a few at a time.  So while it is useful, it is a far cry from some of large value."
 
Very true, but they put a lot (perhaps an inordinate) amount of pride into the relationship and the port.
 
It is not quite the Brits and Belgians in WWI & WWII (or the Brits and Portugal in the Napoleonic Wars), Russian geopolitics is less sentimental, but it is a strong tie.
  
Bill Kamps Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:39pm
John, it is a point of pride since Russia has great difficulty projecting power, this is their big example.   If ISIS werent there, and if we werent having success degrading them, probably would make sense to just let the Russians have Syria and the headaches that go with it.  Russians seem to not mind us taking ISIS down, so it is a complicated situation, but not one likely to lead to WWIII.
 
 
John Minehan Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:43pm
It is in the Russian's and the PRC's interest to see Sunni Salafists like IS and AQ taken down and blocked.
 
No one knows what it will take to start WWIII . . . and, with any luck, we won't find out . . . . 
George N Romey Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:19pm
If what Wesley Clark said was true this doesn’t stop with Syria. It’s a stepping stone to Iran. When we find some trumped (no pun intended) up reason to go into Iran where does that lead Russia and China, and their one belt/one road initiative?
John Minehan Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:28pm
I was a DivArty S-2 when GEN (R) Clark was CG in 1st CAV in the 1990s. 
 
GEN (R) Clark is very smart (I know one other person in his league) and is a decent man. 
 
He really read the Tea Leaves well (back then!) on where the Former Yugoslavia and Korea were going and got us working on the problem sets.
 
With any luck, the current restiveness in Iran over the lives lost, the wounded and the money spent on Iran's efforts against IS will temper the GOI's ambitions.   
Gerrilea Added Apr 15, 2018 - 6:01pm
Nice conversation once all the bitching & name calling is over.  Doesn't all of this hinge on pipelines & selling natural gas?
 
Where do the Europeans get their much needed supply from?  Russia on one side,  Saudi/Turkey/Qatar on another or Iran/Iraq on yet another side.  The latter 2 go right through Syria & Assad already refused the deal with the Saudi's & Turkey.
 
Russia will lose billions.  Don't under-estimate their current economic interests.  If Syria falls, Iran is next and that leaves Russia vs. Turkey/Saudi Arabia along with US backing.
 
And what about the Turkey/Crimea/Russian trading?
 
Russia stays in control with the status quo.
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 6:30pm
What is the Alt-Right?
 
Good question, Stone.  It's a fairly big tent.
 
White Nationalist Richard Spencer coined the term to solidify the support of his merry band of followers.  Spencer was the man who organized the Charlottesville Tiki Torches and Clubs March of August 2017.
 
Several of the voices at Breitbart.com attempted to distance themselves from the White Nationalist movement in 2017.
 
Milo Yiannopoulos has also disavowed the group.
 
However, under the leadership of Steve Bannon the Breitbart organization actively courted the alt-right.  Now they are forever associated with the White Nationalists.  Trump played footsie with these groups, so he is tainted.
 
I probably use the term too loosely.  Technically I should not refer to the Alt-Right unless I am talking about true racists and white supremacists.  But I take it to include anyone who reads and believes false reports put out by Breitbart, Daily Caller, Russia TV and other right-wing media organizations including FOX News and most right-wing talk show hosts.
 
I'll quit using the term if anyone finds it offensive.
 
I'm thinking that conservatives who have not completely lost their mental faculties are now referred to as traditional conservatives.  Bob Corker from Tennessee is a good example.
 
BTW, I agree with you James.  Trump is playing with fire.  I never would have guessed that he would go against Putin.  If Trump somehow had a come-to-Jesus moment, he certainly has a violent and dangerous way of showing it.
 
It sounds to me like nobody on this thread believes the story that three chemical weapons plants were targeted.  Me, I just don't know.  I have no way of knowing other than reading about it.
 
Another thing.  Obama did order way too many assassinations by drone.  Completely out of control.  Counter productive.  Maybe the commentariat here is correct.  There really is not very much that the head-of-state can do to counter the objectives of the Pentagon.
James Travil Added Apr 15, 2018 - 7:47pm
John M. I agree with most of what you have said, especially the background material. However I disagree entirely about the chemical attack being the Syrian's doing. There is just too much evidence to the contrary which I mentioned above. And the kicker is the fact that the White Helmets (aka: Al Qaeda) reported this. That makes me absolutely 1000% sure that the terrorists in the region were responsible. Regardless the missile strike was largely stopped by Russian forces as Dino mentioned above. The strike violated the US Constitution  international law and the Geneva Convention and accomplished little next to nothing. A PR move by Trump. Had this been an actual assault we would be talking an entirely different story.
 
Flying Hypocrite everything about you is offensive. Particularly your hypocrisy. You are the alt left and an neoliberal extremist. At least now I know. 
James Travil Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:18pm
For those interested in the background of this event I provide you the following information - Who Is the Real Culprit Behind the Chemical Attacks in Syria? A Brief History - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49224.htm
Gerrilea Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:18pm
Flying J-- If you took a moment and stopped trying to put everyone in nice little boxes...we might be able to have a conversation.  The "alt-right" is more like the democrats of my father's generation today.  Both parties want us all enslaved to our corporate international overlords that pay little or no taxes and have no loyalties.  They want us continually fighting each other for the scraps they drop off their table.
 
James T-- Thanks for the background link, it helps illuminate things better.
 
I have to bring up this pink elephant than no one seems to have noticed.
 
If Trumps claims of destroying Syria's stockpiles of alleged chemical weapons was valid, then why aren't we hearing of thousands being effected or killed???  SURELY the Russians and/or Syrians would be showing the world the truth, would they not?
 
All I've seen is video footage of one "research" building be leveled.  If there were all these chemical agents there, then the people video-taping the next morning wouldn't have been walking through the rubble, NOW would they???
 
They didn't have bodysuits on, no gloves, no gas masks, nothing but their bare hands and a video camera.
 
Somebody is telling us a lie. 
 
Either the Russians really did take possession of the Syrian weapons as they said they did OR....OR....we've been had once again.
 
James Travil Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:48pm
Actually Gerrilea you are not the only one asking these kind of questions... 
 
Why Do They Tell US Transparent Lies?
 
Paul Craig Roberts
 
US officials and the presstitutes tell us that the illegal US missile attack on Syria destroyed chemical weapons sites where chlorine and sarin are stored/manufactured.  If this were true, would not a lethal cloud have been released that would have taken the lives of far more people than claimed in the alleged Syrian chemical attack on Douma?   
 
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/04/15/tell-us-transparent-lies/
Gerrilea Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:02pm
James T--- ROFL...so, smart minds think alike, I guess. I know of Paul Craig Roberts from the Reagan Era. I wasn't sure I trusted his opinions on economics. After all, wasn't he the one pushing Reagan's "trickle down theory"?  The one that put us on the path of becoming the largest Debtor Nation In Human History?  Yep.
 
Hey, but it is a logical question, anyone that's been paying attention should have noticed it.  I know I did the other day watching the video.  The rubble was still smoldering and no one was wearing any protective gear.
 
Pardero Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:22pm
Speaking only for myself, I don't mind the alt right label, as long as neocons are not included in the group. Neocon certainly isn't a traditional conservative, and I consider them more of an adversary than liberals. Paleoconservative is a long word, but has included peace loving conservatives in the past.
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:28pm
So Gerrilea,
 
Do you claim to be alt-right?  You sound more like a traditional conservative to me.  Please don't compare the alt-right to my grandparents in Texas and Oklahoma.  Pardero is mostly right.  I was raised by Roosevelt democrats.  Born to Kennedy democrats.  Alt-right is whatever Richard Spencer wanted the term to mean.  I tried to confess to overusing the word.
 
I'm not really trying to box people up.  Maybe I misspoke.  I'm mostly concerned about the fake news cycle.  It sounds to me like you have your wits about you.
 
James,
 
Alt-left?  That's just ass-backwards doublespeak.
 
It's been fun.
Gerrilea Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:46am
Flying J-- Kennedy Democrats, that would be my parents generation and the one I was raised in.  We don't go to war unless our country is directly threatened.  We don't take "police actions" in foreign nations over ideology. We don't subscribe/use false flags as a pretext to use our military.  We expand our definitions of freedom to include all races & genders and we don't curtail the freedoms of others to do it.
 
We give ourselves the tools to be successful and don't make excuses when we fail.  We pick ourselves up, brush ourselves off and try again until we get it right.
 
Our stand was once, moral and just.  Today, it's been warped into a profit making machine for the elite...and that ain't any of us here.  No matter how much you think you're a part of it (or can or will be), you're not.  If your assets and holdings don't amount to $10 million or more, you're just a useless eater.
 
Gerrilea Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:53am
Flying J-- I didn't answer your question, mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa... No I do not consider myself a conservative.  I think I said this before, I describe myself as a constitutional democrat with common sense and "conservative leanings". Unless we stop the endless war machine, tax corporations fairly and cut spending, everywhere...across the board, we're doomed to lives of quiet desperation as cannon fodder for the elite.
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 16, 2018 - 1:08am
I consider you an interesting personality worthy of merit.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 16, 2018 - 6:45am
There really is not very much that the head-of-state can do to counter the objectives of the Pentagon.
 
Yep. That's what we think in Europe too.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:59pm
South of town, maybe 30 miles, the Scientology people have some kind of underground facility.
 
Rock Springs huh, I kinda figured. 
 
For Ford to have a house near there the Tetons and the Snake had to have moved south quite a way. 
 
Didn't think there was was anything other than bentonite in that country. Must be getting your fracking sand off the rail head. 
 
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 16, 2018 - 2:11pm
Gerrilea, James T, good to see you two were on the case and noticed the lack of HazMat suits among rescue workers. Did you not they were splashing water in the eyes of alleged victims as we would if tear gas had been released to disperse street rioters?
Rich Purtell Added Apr 16, 2018 - 3:29pm
I've been really busy the last few months and not able to post much here.  There is a wild pro-Trump conspiracy theory group called Qanon.  According to them, the last few weeks have been staged:
1- Trump telegraphs intention to withdraw US troops from Syria in the near future (at face value a bad policy).
2- The deep state cabal uses this message as a means to execute a chemical weapons false flag to try to spin the US back into a regime change war.
3- The neocon biased media eats up the false flag stroy.  Trump plays along and announces intention to respond.
4- Trump and his insiders secretly contact Russia and Syria to say that we will hit some cabal targets, but with no damage to Russian or Assad interests.
5- The deep state cabal comes out during our bombing runs, exposing themselves, then Assad and Russian forces blow them to pieces.  Supposedly this step 5 is in mid stride now.
 
A really complex and convoluted scheme to make Trump look like a 4D chess genius instead of another leader being duped by neocon special interests.  But there are many flaws with the above:
1- Assad is thrown under the bus and falsely exposed as a monster, vulnerable to future regime change chants.
2- We waste money on munitions.
3- Depending on the success of the whole operation, future false flags with future innocents being killed is a possibility.
 
Trump could easily arrange for a teleconference on live TV for some other purpose, then lay out all of the lies of Israel and other deep state actors.  The above Qanon theory is un-necessarily complex and creates undesired outcomes.
 
If he really is one of the good guys (just hired John Bolton, really?) he would have lots of ways to expose "fake news" by giving us DETAILS on a national broadcast.
 
I am more convinced each day that Trump is a blundering idiot and not some crafty wizard.  Yes HRC would likely have put us in direct conflict with Russia a year earlier, and I still am hopeful we can work our way out of WWIII.  James Mattis needs to offer some degree of sanity, especially now with Bolton coming on board.
 
We need to primary Trump out in 2020.  I'd love to see Rand Paul as the next president, vast improvement.
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 16, 2018 - 5:13pm
Nice to hear from you, Rich.  You seem like you swing far enough to the right that you and I might find some common ground on the dark side of the moon.  I have another friend on the WB who wants Paul to be president.  I don't think it is very likely that he will even mount an effort to oppose the monster.  Maybe you can run your guy in 2024.  Or sooner if something happens to president 46.  You can bet your bottom $$ the republicans will stick to Trump again in 2020.  IF he is healthy enough, he will seek a second term.
 
So are you with the wild Trump/Deep State conspiracy guys or are you mocking them?  I mean no offense.
 
I find this idea of Clinton starting a war with Russia hilarious.  I've never heard of it or read it anywhere else than on the WB.  Apparently there is an entire mythology built around this theory including threats to Putin.  You can't make this stuff up.  James brought it up just to try to piss me off.  I didn't even mention the She-Witch.  But it does help to understand how so many people were persuaded to vote for Trump.  Hell, I would have voted for him to prevent WWIII.  Never a dull moment.
James Travil Added Apr 16, 2018 - 5:18pm
Good assessment Rich. BTW I'm not sure about the munitions expenditures being a setback. The patriot missiles were made by Raylothon (however that is spelled) who's stock just went WAY UP after the PR they got from this event. So it's easy to see how the money on munitions has been made up. 
Pardero Added Apr 16, 2018 - 5:40pm
Rich Purtell,
At first, I thought you were a new guy. I like the way you think, and am hoping that you will be a familiar presence here. 
 
James Travil,
Is that Raytheon?
James Travil Added Apr 16, 2018 - 7:15pm
Raytheon yes that's it Pardero. I know their stock went way up after the attacks. Overall they added nearly a half a billion dollars to their earnings portfolio in that one day. That kind of thing clearly pulls the situation (far) out of the red, money wise. 
James Travil Added Apr 16, 2018 - 7:48pm
This is getting ridiculous but here goes... 
"I find this idea of Clinton starting a war with Russia hilarious.  I've never heard of it or read it anywhere else than on the WB.  Apparently there is an entire mythology built around this theory including threats to Putin."
I've read it lots of places, and by top military and political experts. Want some links? It's old news, pre-election but I can probably dig some up. Amazing that you have remained self-blinded to the obvious  ensconced in your bubble. Unable to grasp cause and effect  Do you deny that Clinton swore she would put a no-fly-zone over Syria once elected? If so how can you not realize the effect that would bring. You are like someone who is amazed when fire explodes gasoline. If that isn't the definition of stupid (willful ignorance) I don't know what is. 
James Travil Added Apr 16, 2018 - 9:22pm
Here you go Junior, as promised, the following article includes a massive number of additional links to numerous articles from military experts, diplomats, Defense Secretaries, congressmen, intelligence community members and more:
Article: Does A Hillary Presidency Mean Nuclear War with Russia? | OpEdNews - https://www.opednews.com/articles/Does-A-Hillary-Presidency-by-lila-york-Election_Hillary-Clinton_Hillary-Clinton_Nuclear-War-161022-464.html
Flying Junior Added Apr 17, 2018 - 1:10am
Thanks James.  I will take a few minutes to try to understand this.
Pardero Added Apr 17, 2018 - 1:24am
James Travil,
You hung in there, and made your case. You did a better job than I ever could have. 
Flying Junior is actually a super smart and thoughtful guy. He is passionate to a fault. If he is won over to the side of peace, he would be a powerful ally.
Flying Junior Added Apr 17, 2018 - 1:50am
I like Dennis Kucinich.  No love at all for Ms. Stein.
 
I will leave you guys alone.  If that is what you believe, it is of no importance to me.  Water under the bridge.  Hillary Clinton is nothing more than a sweet little old lady.
 
You hold her accountable for U.S. military actions in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Ukraine, Honduras and Somalia?  One might think that she had been the president or the secretary of defense.
 
Maybe a no-fly zone in Syria was a bad idea.
 
It's a religion for you.
 
I will save my efforts to counter liars and clowns who attempt to vilify the Clinton Foundation as a piggy bank for corruption, personal gain and influence peddling.  I will show no mercy or tolerance to these fools.
James Travil Added Apr 17, 2018 - 1:53am
Thanks Pardero, but the real thanks goes to one of my ladies who is a progressive (the other is a conservative, the two balance me out) because she found that website, the news story, and most importantly she bookmarked the link. Otherwise it would have been a real pain to recover it. But I was prepared to spend the rest of the night looking for it. I never make claims that I can't backup. 
James Travil Added Apr 17, 2018 - 2:04am
The point was Flying Junior that there were many people all over the political spectrum who felt like I do. It's not a "WB thing" (or a "religion", I have my own religion which has nothing to do with Clinton). This is why many of us voted how we did. Ultimately it is all opinion, it may have been wrong. I'm glad we will never know. The left was certainly wrong about Trump. He's not some particularly bad president  He's about the same as Bush and Obama. Bad but not something especially unusual. His election didn't result in women and minorities being stripped of their rights, or in gangs of white supremists roaming the streets. The whole "this is not normal" crap from the so called "resistance" (more like the assistance when it comes to Trump's war crimes) has been a lie from day one. And that is unquestionably not opinion. 
Pardero Added Apr 17, 2018 - 2:23am
I like Dennis Kucinich. Always have. He has too much integrity to ever get the nomination. In a better Union, he could be president, but the Tom Cottons of the world, are more likely to get nominated and elected. It is all about the money.
 
James Travil Added Apr 17, 2018 - 2:53am
"I like Dennis Kucinich. Always have. He has too much integrity to ever get the nomination."
Me too, and the same could be said about Ron Paul. I supported him in his last run for president. 
Flying Junior Added Apr 17, 2018 - 3:02am
Well that's three guys who like Dennis and Ron.
 
Good enough for me.
David Montaigne Added Apr 17, 2018 - 7:12am
I've been writing prophecy books about WWIII for decades and if there's anything to prophecy at all, it will happen within the next decade.  But I don't think it is days or weeks or even months away.  For all the hype and demonization of Russia, I expect them to end up on the West's side in the end.  Russia's biggest concerns are not in America, Britain, or France - they are on Russia's border - China, and the Islamic world.  Russia will not benefit from allowing a Chinese-Islamic alliance to win WWIII.  So don't get too worried about the sideshow distractions between Trump and Putin.  Their odds of going to war with each other are low; it reminds me of how the West in 1939-1940 feared the "alliance" between Hitler and Stalin when in reality there was no chance of peace between the two, they both wanted to dominate Europe.  Trump and Putin both want to maintain superpower status and prevent Chinese hegemony.  Even Nostradamus said so...
George N Romey Added Apr 17, 2018 - 2:13pm
I have to wonder won't China and Russia hook up.  One has natural resources, the other the workforce.  I just don't think any Russian leader will ever trust the US.  After we nuked Japan without ever telling Russia (which was going to enter the Pacific theater with us by August 1945) the Russians realized we could never be trusted.
James Travil Added Apr 17, 2018 - 4:54pm
I think I have to agree with George on this one. Time will tell. 
James Travil Added Apr 17, 2018 - 5:17pm
A warning, and thoughts about where things are going... 
The Crisis Is Only In Its Beginning Stages - PaulCraigRoberts.org - https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/04/17/crisis-beginning-stages/
Stone-Eater Added Apr 18, 2018 - 3:06pm
James
 
This article from PCR is actually my opinion which I wrote on the article of Fernando. At least partly. Good guy, that one.
George N Romey Added Apr 18, 2018 - 3:41pm
It seems as though these bombs hit nothing of significance. We won't know if was planned that way or just a total screw up.  Of course we probably spent a few cool billion doing so.  Given we didn't hit crap Putin has looked the other way.  But I have to wonder about next time.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 18, 2018 - 4:06pm
George
 
It was planned and done by Sunni Muslim extremists as I understand. And these are not exactly friends with Assad but rather with Saudi and.....the US as allies ?
 
It's just a cheap Powell flow chart fake shit again destined to a generation which has forgotten Powell .... or hasn't heard of him. You see, each generation starts at 0, and in our time a generation seems to last 15 years LOL
Stone-Eater Added Apr 18, 2018 - 4:12pm
prevent Chinese hegemony
 
The Chinese are too clever to be kept off by weapons only. They already bought Africa while wannabeAfrican 0bama had the chance to get big in Africa. It's not about China. Resources are in Russia, and the US has been trying for the last 70 years to get its hands on them.
 
Town drunk Yeltsin was a bad choice, that's why Putin's here. And Putin is far too clever for the MIC. Why ? Because all that is east of the US continent has understood that weapons are not winning wars in the end. It's understanding foreign cultures and arrange with them (well, exploitation also happens....).
 
The US is too young to play that game of chess. That's why they have weapons.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 18, 2018 - 4:20pm
BTW: Why is that so ? Because real leaders think long-term, means decades. They create dependencies. They also deal with other countries on business terms, not in ideologies or put guns on their head. Business has never been ideology or religion. War creates enemies which last over generations.
 
People forget peace, but never war. And when the INTENTION of the US as the self-defined empire would be to profit LONG-TERM they would NOT start wars but deal in friendly terms.
 
But they do not. So that's why, in the end, the US will lose that game for sure (not counting how many others in their wake). They haven't studied the history of former empires. 
James Travil Added Apr 18, 2018 - 5:16pm
The US never thinks long-term, it's not in their vocabulary. Not the pathetic leadership at least. 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 18, 2018 - 5:33pm
LOL
Shining One Added Apr 20, 2018 - 2:51pm
(((They))) organised ww1 and ww2, what makes you think they are not organising ww3? If and when it happens, it will be devastating to humanity as a whole, but they are not so stupid as to make the planet uninhabitable. All world leaders are, in my opinion, controlled by them. They do as they are told, or else.
John Minehan Added Apr 20, 2018 - 4:04pm
I'd rather "be ready for some Football," to quote Hank, Jr. 
James Travil Added Apr 20, 2018 - 8:52pm
I'm not so sure about the intelligence or lack thereof of "they" Shining One. After all their think tanks are now saying that nuclear war is both survivable and winnable, that doesn't evoke a lot of confidence in their intellectual abilities. 
John Minehan Added Apr 20, 2018 - 9:00pm
"After all their think tanks are now saying that nuclear war is both survivable and winnable . . . ."
 
If you happen to be either a cockroach or a rat . . . .

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