House Speaker Paul Ryan Leaving

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Some say that House Speaker Paul Ryan leaving is because he sees the House going to Democratic majority. Also some say that the Senate also is lost. This is Kabuki theater, too many balls are in the air to actually predict the outcome of 2018. The run up to the election tactics are:

 

We have the investigations of Obama administration corruption. If they start bringing up lots of evidence then the Dems will be labeled and so will their candidates.  That includes Mueller and all of his staff.  All are card carrying members of the Washington Leviathan. When acting in protective mode they form the 'deep state.'

 

If this new investigation shows that Trumps Attorney was his fixer then Mueller's swamp and Washington Leviathan will protect itself by leaking all of the dirt to the swamp media. The GOP candidates will be identified with immoral Trump and the christians will stay home.

 

The border wall, sactuary California my actully boster the republicans candidates.

 

Three 2018 election results may occur :

  1. GOP retains both houses of Congress. Feckless congress will continue. 

  2. GOP looses the House and retains the Senate. Trump will be impeached in the House and not convicted in the Senate and will remain the President. The liberal or progressive Senate and now the liberal and progressive House will put bills supporting Democratic policy on his desk or we will have a do nothing Congress.

  3. Republicans retains the House and looses the Senate but no giving a super majority. Trump would not be impeached in the House so would not be placed in the Senates hands, do nothing Congress.

  4. GOP looses both houses of Congress. Some say the President will not be convicted and thus remains in the White House. The removal of a President would boster the GOP 2020 get out the vote effort that they could repeat 2016. The Democrats would own everything that happens in Washington. Which will continue to be bad for the nation. Even if nothing happens they will be on the hook.

The Freedom Caucus, conservatives and libertarians, within both houses have attached themselves to the GOP. They have been blamed in the past and present for the failures of the GOP and receive no support from the war chests of the party and actually are attacked in primaries by the main branch candidates more vicious then the GOP attacks Democratic general election candidates. These pass two years The GOP Representatives and Senators have not kept the promises they have made for the term of Obama. The efforts to keep promises is lost for freedom caucus Representatives and Senators. They will by grouped with all GOP congressmen, they lie to those that put them in office. The GOP can only retain any level of support by tarnishing the Democrats, making them worse. That is why they may go after Obama administration corruption, the only reason.

 

Part of the Kabuki theater will be the choice made by the Freedom Caucus members. Stay with the GOP or separate themselves. Form a third party by word during the campaign and wait until after November to actually create a party. They need the GOP to be on a ballot. The barriers to a third party are very high. So it will take national figures that put themselves as supporting one to have any chance. Following the lead of the Republican Party it took the Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854.  Does a new party have a mandate?

 

We have failures in the past of third parties.

 

Pre Civil War: William Wirt, Anti-Masonic, 1832 (7 Electoral votes); John Floyd, Nullifier, 1832 (11 Electoral votes); Millard Fillmore, American, 1856 (8 Electoral votes); John Bell, Constitutional Union, 1860 (39 Electoral votes) Note that John Fremont, Republican Party was a third party in the 1856 election and the William Douglas, 1860, Northern Democratic Party (~3 Eletoral votes)

 

Post Civil War: James Weaver, People's Party, 1892 (22 Electoral votes); Teddy Roosevelt, Progressive, 1912 (88 Electoral votes); Strom Thurmond, States' Rights Dixiecrats, 1948 (39 Electoral Votes); and George Wallace, American Independent, 1968 (46 Electoral votes).

 

Comments

rycK the JFK Democrat Added Apr 14, 2018 - 3:44pm
House Speaker Paul Ryan is a failure. 
George N Romey Added Apr 14, 2018 - 3:51pm
Another whore that will become rich from the establishment he served. Another failure of governance.
Dino Manalis Added Apr 14, 2018 - 4:29pm
Ryan is bailing out, he's had enough, he should be replaced by another moderate Republican in Wisconsin.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 14, 2018 - 4:32pm
I hope Paul Nehlen wins the seat.
opher goodwin Added Apr 14, 2018 - 4:45pm
Goodbye Republicans. You deserve all you get!!
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 14, 2018 - 9:07pm
Opher your correct when you lie to the people that elected you then you do deserve being removed.   That is the easy point I made, Benjamin G., Dino M., George R., and JFK Dem.
 
Ryan couldn't control the Freedom Caucus and you have suppressed the investigation.  Why haven't the house impeached those have not given them documents?  Ryan's permission is needed and he needs to get out the vote.   The nation rest on the choices made by these GOP congressmen.  The result could be very dramatic and change the next decade just as the birth of the GOP. 
 
Recall that the Republican party sprung up after the Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854.  Republican party had a mandate which came to fullision in 1860, six years later.     The Whigs lied to the northern voters that elected them like the Republicans today.  And when an alternative appeared they were thrown out for lying.  Within six years the Republicans of the 1850's swept the Whigs and the Democrats from power taking the House and the White House, with the senate to follow. 
 
The Democrats knew they were rejected by the northern state voters so decided to leave the union.  They believed that the alternative would not work: Amend the Constitution or put a bill in front of Congress and the President to resign from the union. 
 
Madison would say that a the Whigs that didn't have the consent of the governed in their districts and Democrats that did have consent together formed a faction that controlled Congress and much of government for half a century.  A cabal that didn't have the consent of the majority much less the consent of the majority of minorities since government govern by common law which means the even the minority support them.  
 
The Democratic party obviously do not believe they have the consent of a majority of minorities.  They want to only use popular vote to elect the president.  The founders chose an approach to allow for minorities in a region like a state to have a voice and a vote.   The minorities in the fly over county put Trump in the White House.
 
Founders feared popular vote alone can not achieve governing by common laws, a jury of 12 unanimous decision that the law is fair and guilt or innocence.  During prohibition  only the bootleggers were put on trial because no jury would convict any person caught in the establishment with the police seeing them drinking.  Why is simple, a jury also judges the law itself.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 14, 2018 - 10:27pm
Benjamin, LOL
 
I hope he makes it through the primary.
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:35am
I'm thinking that Paul Ryan is leaving because he has had just about enough.  He shepherded the Great Republican Tax Heist of 2017.
 
What more remains to be accomplished?  Time to take a vacation.
 
I wouldn't work for the monster if I was picked up in a gold-plated helicopter for two hours a week on Tuesday afternoon.
 
Nobody in their right mind would work for that evil man.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 15, 2018 - 2:07am
Nehlen is better than Michelle Bachman who also won in a usually liberal constituency. I'm actually serious.
 
Are there already candidates on the Democrate side for the chair?
 
As for the speaker, we can only guess after the House is reelected.  Nancy Pelosi has the best chances, I think.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:43am
Benjamin, you want an antisemitic, white nationalist to get the nomination?  Really?  I want him to get it in order to speed up the implosion of the Republican Party, I can’t think of a reason why you want him.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:50am
I have never heard anything come from Paul Nehlen that would suggest any of this.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:09am
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:11am
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:13am
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:38am
I just get an idea why Breitbart becomes ever more boring.
 
Anyway, a load of text and one is searching and searching for the hot quote or something.
 
I don't see any conspiracy theories or anything. He just says what he sees (and it's often funny).Maybe you can point me to something specific because the media buries stuff in false allegations. It is not antisemitic to point out that many media types are Jewish. They don't want this to be said because it also shows that they are also nepotistic. Same with Hollywood. These people are corrupt. And pointing to the ethnicity CAN be done out of racist animus but also CAN be done to show how they lift each other up. Ben Shapiro also said that being Jewish helped him a great deal researching for his book Primetime Propaganda and, please, don't tell me that Shapiro is an antisemite.
 
I find Jeremy Corbyn and his supporters much more troubling. I mean, I also give Tom and Doug a lot of leeway because they are not very persuasive anyway, but let's face it there is much more antisemitism going around than whatever Nehlen or German President Steinmeier say in public.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Apr 15, 2018 - 7:09am
Informative article Thomas. As usual, you go above board in elaborating on your position. I am so disappointed, with that skunt, Ryan. I thought he would be a balance to Trump. That not man was a deceiver. 
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:08am
Paul Nehlen, a self-described pro-white Christian.
 
I wonder if Trump will use his influence with the extreme right wing of the republican party to support him.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:23am
So what? I'm a pro-white pro-Christian Jew.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:25am
I bet that Dr Green is also pro-white. Do we have to be contra-people? Only the left is full of hate. There is also the political spectrum of love, cheese and tolerance: the political right!
Opes Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:08am
Deciphering the Ryan move, and his previous moves is a head scratchier as to the final outcome of things in the upcoming elections.
 
It's good that we read-in the history of 3rd party emergence now because there just might be the slightest possibility that such can happen within the midst of the chaos.  But, if the public as a whole has a general impression that everyone is lying, then it's just trying to pick the least lying that fits some small litmus test segment of things to rage about.
 
Are we in a point of time where the people are divided and separated by interests to a level higher than ever before, but still working things out relatively civil?
 
The established media has become weaponized! 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:46am
"The established media has become weaponized! 
 
Which encourages more to be established. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Apr 15, 2018 - 10:56am
 @ Benjamin. "bet that Dr Green is also pro-white. Do we have to be contra-people? Only the left is full of hate. There is also the political spectrum of love, cheese and tolerance: the political right!"
 
You are right. If we look at others as being nails, we will come hard as hammers. Familiarity breeds contempt. There are contributors here whose positions are so predictable and monolithic that no usefulness can be derived from their contributions. The bee makes honey by visiting both the rose and thorn bushes to secure nectar. Surely, as much as I am a Republican, I advance my knowledge by listening to views from people of all political and racial spectrums.
 
Dave Volek Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:21am
The drama of politics! How will the 2018 elections turn out and how will that affect the power structure? 
 
This soap opera keeps people away from what they really need to be thinking about: the system is failing us!
Stephen Hunter Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:26am
Perhaps he is smarter than we think and he is getting of politics, before it drives him emotionally and/or mentally over the edge. 
Stephen L. Brayton Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:35am
Ryan has proven himself time and time again, he's part of the establishment swamp dwelling liars Americans are sick of. He should have been forced out of office a long time ago. He talks a good talk when things are somewhat going his way, but when the chips are down and he's faced with the hard choices, he chose the establishment over morality and laws. Good riddance and let's try for someone who will actually stand up and do what's right.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:00pm
SLB
 
"..and let's try for someone who will actually stand up and do what's right."
 
I suppose Nancy Pelosi fits this description?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:36pm
Very well, Benjamin.  I hope he wins for your sake then.  In fact, I hope people just like him win major elections coming up, maybe we can get him for POTUS.  Maybe you can get someone just like him in Germany, bring back the good ol’ days.
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:37pm
@Jeffrey and @ flying J., Paul Nehlen entered the race before Paul Ryan decided to not run.  So he was looking for a soap box for his views and yes to be heard he would hype the rhetoric.   Trump will ignore minor players.  The media may try to attach Trump to Nehlen but you will find nothing substantial from Trump.
 
@Benjamin, J. Corbyn is the head of the labor party, democratic socialist.  Nothing to do with American politics.
 
@Oper, we are nearing the end of primary season and I believe the end of filing for the general election is passed so no third party officially by the Freedom Caucus can happen.  As I said they can separate themselves from establishment GOP and will have not connection to the honey pot of the GOP because that is how the establishment wants it.
 
@Oper, I am not sure if interests to a level higher than ever before.  It maybe the opportunity is higher.  When the GOP didn't control everything they could talk up a conservative message that they never intended to enact.  That mask has been stripped away.  The mask that the Dems had went during the Obama years and even the shreds have been picked off they their attack on Trump and opposing even things that they said the wanted.   I do not know if Trump was kunning or lucky to give them all and more of what they asked for on DACA  and get it thrown back into his face as a NO.
 
@ JFK Dem, absolutely, "The established media has become weaponized!"
 
@ Dr. Green, I wanted to see your response to Benjamin, new it would be better then anyone I could come up with.  I also agree with these words, "There are contributors here whose positions are so predictable and monolithic that no usefulness can be derived from their contributions."  I hope that I have put a little nectar into your knowledge pot.   
 
Past actions for those that are predictable define future actions so I am not at all surprise that Obama didn't improve the lives of blacks in America and that he didn't take care of DACA in the first two years.  You think I am a racist but I look act actions and the hint of a group changing its direction.  I only see the Democrats become stronger socialist to the point of marxism.  I am a voice in the wilderness and one barely heard.
 
@Dave the reason for all the concern that heightens the drama is the understanding that the cliff is close at hand.   I feel like a buffalo in the front of the pack as it stampede toward the cliff.  Can the hurd be turned or stopped in time before a big part of the hurd falls to their death?
 
@Stephen H., If Ryan was smart he would have put forth the economic plan that he developed and talked about for at least a decade.  Same is true for health care.  I liken him to Thomas Jefferson when the time for action came he folded,  Jefferson open the door for slavery in the Louisiana Territory of 1803.  The Missouri Compromise of 1821, Kansas-Nebraska Bill of 1854, Republican Party of 1854, and the 1859 election and following 1860 Civil War resulted from that decision.  
 
@Stephen B., the reality is that the establishment control the GOP.  Ryan talked about many conservative ideals but was never tested.  McConnell showed he was only talk earlier with purse strings and tactics.  The likelihood of a victory for conservative and libertarian ideals was slim.  The buckling of Ryan insured failure.
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 15, 2018 - 12:43pm
@ JFK Dem, Nancy Pelosi had gotten her reward for leading the house democrats many times over in wealth.  So did Reed and McConnell.  We have a very good idea what she would do if again having any leadership.  Lap dance the swamp lobbyist in competition with McConnell or Schumer.
Bill Kamps Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:36pm
He talks a good talk when things are somewhat going his way, but when the chips are down and he's faced with the hard choices, he chose the establishment over morality and laws.
 
Agreed.  Ryan comes across as a very civil, earnest member of Congress who is willing to take on the establishment.  The truth is that while his manner is civil, he caves to power.  He took issue with Trump, until Trump won, then he got on board, while appearing reluctant to do it.
 
All these guys weigh the pros and cons of "what is in it for me?"  Let's not even begin to weigh past accomplishments, and what future accomplishments were possible if he stayed.  Its all about radio station WIIIFM. 
 
Ryan perceives whatever he plans to do next, as being more lucrative than what he has been doing in Congress.  He is probably right, because one thing these people know how to do is look out for number one.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 15, 2018 - 1:40pm

Very well, Benjamin.  I hope he wins for your sake then.  In fact, I hope people just like him win major elections coming up, maybe we can get him for POTUS.  Maybe you can get someone just like him in Germany, bring back the good ol’ days.
 
Yes, that would be great!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 15, 2018 - 3:19pm
Try not to get too much sand in your nose as you bury your head in the sand, Benjamin?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 15, 2018 - 3:23pm
Don't worry! My nost stops me from touching my head on the sand. How does your anus smell?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 15, 2018 - 3:24pm
We are just kidding.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 15, 2018 - 3:33pm
It depends on what I’ve eaten today.....
 
:D
 
See, that was your fault, you made me go there.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 15, 2018 - 3:36pm
i just checked and found that the twit twats have deleted his account. Wikipedia introduces him as a "white nationalist" only to quote him later as saying "I'm not a white nationalist". You can't make that up.
Stephen L. Brayton Added Apr 15, 2018 - 3:59pm
@ryck - Are you kidding me? Pelosi is a class a nitwit. "500,s00 jobs lost every month." nitwit. Pelosi is an establishment swamp dwelling liberal and why she keeps getting reelected is beyond me.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Apr 15, 2018 - 4:43pm
SLB
 
"SLB
 
"..and let's try for someone who will actually stand up and do what's right."
 
I suppose Nancy Pelosi fits this description?"
 
This was intended to be dripping with sarcasm as NP is a parasite and Queen of the SF Perverts, and more. 
 
Sorry for the confusion. 
 
She keeps getting reelected because she is a leader of the far left. So is Hillary. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 15, 2018 - 5:43pm
Bill and Hillary put up a digital bill board that said we sell influence here.   Pelosi is advertises on the dark web.
Cliff M. Added Apr 15, 2018 - 6:23pm
Ryan did his job as a shill for the wealthy. Did nothing positive for the ordinary American. I personally believe he is totally full of shit.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 15, 2018 - 6:48pm
Yup, Cliff.  He and McConnell take turns blowing the Koch Brothers for funding.  I guess Ryan’s lips are too chapped and his ass too sore to keep it up.
Cliff M. Added Apr 15, 2018 - 7:00pm
Jeffrey, He made his fortune as a shill and it's time to move on. He is just about out of hollow promises he can make.Compare his stance on the issues during the Obama years to what he did once he gained majority control of the House.
Dave Volek Added Apr 15, 2018 - 7:28pm
Thomas
I think the cliff is closer than before, but we are still a few decades away. From my perspective, the Trump presidency is stalled because the founding fathers set things up that way to frustrate such a person. For example, all those mass demonstrations since inauguration are an effective message to Trump and his handlers that he was a long ways from popular appeal of the American public. 
 
But maybe you have something in mind about a collapse sooner than later. 
 
But even I have to admit that I am drawn more towards American politics than I used to be--and possible should be. 
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 15, 2018 - 9:44pm
Dave, my concern is that this opened the door for someone who is way smarter than Trump to come along.  Trump is a bumbling moron, imagine someone smarter than him who can play the system.
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:33pm
Benjamin,
 
Messianic Jew?  Why didn't you say so.  I have been close to many in the Messianic Jew community in San Diego for twenty years.  I was close to Barney Kessler of Kehilat Ariel.  I loved their service.  There was so much singing and a wonderful band with guitar and flute.  I was able to bridge any breach between us quite handily by noting that we were both worshipping the same God.
 
I still have one friend in this community.  She blends in quite well with Methodists.  Sings like an angel.
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:33pm
Rabbi Barney Kessler I meant to say.
Flying Junior Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:35pm
Oh, so sorry.  I guess you are pro-Christian.  That is quite a distinction.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:50pm
Dave, I it isn't as extreme as in Germany, but you should worry when your media reports more on other countries than on your own. It is a sign that your country becomes less democratic and the powers in the media aggregate.
 
Kelly, you demonstrate why Trump can do what he wants. People will just still vote him over an aggressive liberal.
 
FJ: Apparently I'm more mysterious than Autumn Cote.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 15, 2018 - 11:55pm
Thud is a one-term President, Benjamin. He got lucky because everyone thought Clinton had it in the bag.
 
In a way we got lucky, we dodged a Clinton and got the Democratic base fired back up again.  Republicans are dropping like flies.  Fuck’em, have fun in your retirement.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:42am
Liberals were just not hysterical enough last election. Sure. And "fuck them" is exactly the language that you need to make people embrace your candidate over Trump. /ironie off
Flying Junior Added Apr 16, 2018 - 2:28am
Liberals made the mistake of promoting a female for president.  The United States was not ready.  There is a case to be argued that perhaps the democratic party did not field the ideal female candidate.
 
How about you republican bitches put up a viable female candidate?  That's what I thought.
 
We should be hysterical enough, according to your prediction, the next time around.  My prediction is that young people, (not including millenials,) will make the difference in 2018.  They will decide the general election in 2020.
 
Hint.  They are not in love with Trump.  They hate the NRA and their money over lives political calculus.  It's about time.  There were Americans who thought that the youth vote would elect George McGovern in 1972.  Greatest presidential election landslide in history.  The voting age still stood at twenty-one.  In the 1980 presidential primaries, I was already twenty years old.  Two years older than I needed to be to vote.  I promptly registered as a republican to vote for Jon Anderson in the republican presidential primary.
 
The youth will save this blessed land from utter destruction.  It only took fifty years to come about.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 16, 2018 - 5:13am
All that matters now is to get immature and poorly informed, foreign voters to the ballot and have some female queer non-white person elected for president. Doesn't matter what she does. Also let's destroy gun rights and the constitution. This is very important because it was written by slave owners. Opposition is always soooo yesterday so freedom of speech must also go.
 
I don't understand how I could have ever been a liberal. I don't understand my former self anymore. I feel nothing but shame.
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 16, 2018 - 8:50am
@ Dave V., I think the protest represent less then 10% of Americans.  I am talking about fully committed citizens.  Those that may agree but are still convincible, questioning is another 10 to 20%.    The American revolution was supported by about 1/3 of the colonist.  Which means they would not turn in and most likely would tell them what they learned.  Another 1/3 were equally supporters of the British.  The determining 1/3 in the end leaned away from the British.  They didn't support the standing authorities. 
 
@ Jeffrey I hope someone smarter then Trump comes along.  Why are you >> my concern is that this opened the door for someone who is way smarter than Trump to come along.>>  Explain.
 
@ Benjamin I agree that the media bias is a very big concern.  How with the first amendment does a nation turn that around.  Facebook, Google, and Twitter have the same bias as the media.    And the conglomerate nature of  the media means their are few players.  I would aim at anti-trust laws saying that they constitute a monopoly.
 
@Flying J., I think the choice of the women was the problem of the liberals/ Democrats.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 16, 2018 - 9:22am
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”Liberals were just not hysterical enough last election. Sure. And "fuck them" is exactly the language that you need to make people embrace your candidate over Trump. /ironie off”
 
I don’t need to say “fuck’em.”  Thud is a one-term President.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 16, 2018 - 9:27am
@Flying Junior:
”Liberals made the mistake of promoting a female for president. The United States was not ready. There is a case to be argued that perhaps the democratic party did not field the ideal female candidate.”
 
FJ, if the voters were ready for a black president then they were ready for a woman.  My opinion is that she was the wrong candidate.  The issue with Clinton is she is distrusted, polls noted that before the election.  She also made some arrogant assumptions about the “Blue Wall,” I remember the night of the election the story came out that Democrats in those states begged her to come out in October, they saw the signs Thud was winning.  She didn’t and we all paid for that.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 16, 2018 - 9:58am
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”All that matters now is to get immature
and poorly informed,”
 
They are well-informed to know they are tired of their friends dying due to gun violence.
 
“foreign voters to the ballot”
 
Sure, as long as they are citizens.  Non-citizens can’t vote in this country, Benjamin.  
 
“and have some female queer non-white person elected for president.”
 
Diversity is a cool thing, isn’t it, Benjamin?
 
If someone is female, queer and non-white, is that a disqualification?  Why?  Are you saying that someone who is female, queer and non-white isn’t intelligent enough to be president of the United States?  Hell, Benjamin that person might even be Republican.  Who’s to say?  Riley is gay and seems suitably conservative enough to make you happy.  Now, she’s white, is that better?
 
Frankly now that Thud is president that shattered all sorts of glass ceilings.  If someone as stupid and morally warped as Thud can be supported by Evangelical Christians anything is possible.
 
“Doesn't matter what she does. Also let's destroy gun rights and the constitution.”
 
Um, Benjamin, keep up.  No Democrat I know supports banning guns.  I haven’t seen any national Democrats say that (naturally I might have simply missed it) and the one op-ed piece about repealing the 2nd Ammendment came from a judge appointed by Gerald Ford (if memory serves).  That man is a registered Republican.
 
“This is very important because it was written by slave owners. Opposition is always soooo yesterday so freedom of speech must also go.”
 
LOL, do you always go as far to lunatic left as you can?  The 2nd Amendment doesn’t prevent the government from passing laws to regulate how a person purchases a gun.  

“I don't understand how I could have ever been a liberal. I don't understand my former self anymore. I feel nothing but shame.”
 
You should feel shame about the person you’ve become.
Opes Added Apr 16, 2018 - 10:00am
Ryan served a purpose as the supposed clean-cut face for the GOP.
 
The superiority, elitist tone of the Obama/Clinton/Dems politics caused the last presidential race to become a mess.  Hillary labeling people (potential dem voters) as "Deplorable" was that last straw that broke the camels back so to speak.
 
Most of the established media & social media has been weaponized for progressive efforts and to dampen conservative & libertarian voices.
 
We are at a point of time where the media innuendos & manipulation of news has accelerated divisions that divide and separate people.  It also encourages violence.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Apr 16, 2018 - 10:04am
"Yup, Cliff.  He and McConnell take turns blowing the Koch Brothers for funding.  I guess Ryan’s lips are too chapped and his ass too sore to keep it up."
 
No truer words said.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 16, 2018 - 10:24am
@Opes:
”Ryan served a purpose as the supposed clean-cut face for the GOP.”
 
He did do that.

“The superiority, elitist tone of the Obama/Clinton/Dems politics caused the last presidential race to become a mess. Hillary labeling people (potential dem voters) as "Deplorable" was that last straw that broke the camels back so to speak.”
 
I agree.  It was a very bad tactical move on her part, people supported Thud for many different reasons.  
 
“Most of the established media & social media has been weaponized for progressive efforts and to dampen conservative & libertarian voices.”
 
I disagree, I think we perceive media biases through our subjective lenses.

“We are at a point of time where the media innuendos & manipulation of news has accelerated divisions that divide and separate people. It also encourages violence.”
 
I disagree.  Again, those are subjective biases.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 16, 2018 - 10:24am
@Rupert Green:
 
LOL, I do try and have a way with words. It helps when it is true.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 16, 2018 - 10:31am
@Thomas Sutrina:
 
”@ Jeffrey I hope someone smarter then Trump comes along. Why are you >> my concern is that this opened the door for someone who is way smarter than Trump to come along.>> Explain.”
 
Imagine a smarter Thud, a Thud 2.0 if you will.  Someone who is savvy in the ways in how the system works, someone who bends a little when tactically convenient but who takes more than is given.  
 
I think if Trump showed a willingness to bend, just a little, he could get more of his agenda through.  He actually got his wall at one point but at the price of giving on DACA.  He pulled it back, thereby discouraging the Democratic leadership from working with him.  
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 16, 2018 - 10:43am
Sutrina: Anti-trust comes in mind first and I would support it. However, the digital space has replaced other public forums that can not be taken away without hurting the public discourse.
 
Social media are about reach. If Facebook, Twitter and Co are split up, chances of an opposition to form against the MSM becomes smaller.
 
Instead Congress should pass a law that would require platforms with a certain amount of users and more to
- offer a response option to every post/comment from outside the platform
- give users the sole right to block unknown or disliked people from responding to their posts/comments
- Alert users to responses (even if they come from outside the platform).
 
This way you have a huge reach no matter what your primary platform is. You would be able to respond to something that is said on Facebook while you are on Twitter or Youtube or Facebook ....
 
Of course, politicians wouldn't want that.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 16, 2018 - 11:14am
Why in the world would a president even consider "working with" the oppositional party if they don't hold majorities? When did Obama compromise? How about "working with" conservatives?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:14pm
When did the Republicans compromise with Obama?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:19pm
I've heard that Obama had both chambers of Congress when he pushed through Obama care. When in this situation - which is the reverse situation of today's - did Obama compromise?
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:34pm
@ Jeffrey, Reagan was smarter then Trump.  The problem with Trump has a businessman with an economic lense.   We need a more complete ideology.   Trump has bent a lot letting by not getting involved in the repeal and replace of health care and signing the Omnibus spending bill that funded more things then the GOP let Obama fund.   
 
@Benjamin  Google, Facebook, and Amazon control enough of their markets to set the standard.  Trump as a businessman understands Amazon's 40% of on line sales.  The get preferential treatment which means tax payers are giving them welfare not available to others.  For example the post office discounts and what is in negotiation is a contract for all cloud purchases from the military that comes to millions.   Government regulations have always favored big businesses that can afford lobbyist and people to follow the regulations.  A small business can do neither.  For example the Dodd Frank regulation to deal with the 2008 crisis resulted in the causers of the crisis, big business to have even less competition since the regulations drove smaller banks out of business. 
The solution is to have more competition not less and breaking up the big corporations is one way to kill two birds with one stone.  Worked for telephone market.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:41pm
Thomas, we might cross talk. The telephone market works because there is obviously some regulation to share an infrastructure. You can phone somebody who has a different provider. That's what I say must be done with the platforms. You must reach across them. This way they will quite naturally split in parts and compete for quality.
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:47pm
@Jeffrey >>When did the Republicans compromise with Obama?>> I thought the repeal in name only that both houses of Congress wrote, that is the leaders of the houses wrote, is sufficient evidence that supporting Obama Care by the GOP was not a compromise but an agreement. 
 
So all of those repeal bill that Boehner and Ryan passed and the one that McConnell passed to put on Obama's desk were all political posturing for us voter so they could run on what we wanted to hear.  When we meet Ryan's speech saying I will work to get a Republican in the White House so that I can set this bill (the repeal only bill on Obama's desk) on his desk and he will sign it. 
 
Well Ryan is this the reason for not running again.  You do not have an answer.  Further when the bill was put to a vote in Congress those that passed rejected it.  The truth comes out.
 
The Omnibus spending bill created in smoke filled room with the leaders of both parties and both houses is another indication that no compromise is needed. 
 
We have one party government most of the time with very few disagreements.
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 16, 2018 - 12:58pm
Congress has the power to end the deep state with an omnibus or six regular order spending bills that defund what is not specifically authorized in the Constitution.  We will be left with a military, post office, border security and import tariff agents.  IRS will still be there because of the 16th Amendment.  The deep state district judges will be gone since only the Supreme Court is required by the Constitution. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Apr 16, 2018 - 3:39pm
Thomas
 
"The deep state district judges will be gone since only the Supreme Court is required by the Constitution. "
 
This will never happen as the left depends upon the courts to circumvent laws with judicial activism. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 16, 2018 - 4:40pm
Congress both parties are in bed with the deep state and the swamp to ever consider using the power of the purse to eliminate anything.   It is however nice to know that if they were not corrupt, a cabal that this can happen, and it is a reason to push for a Convention of States to draft Amendments.  
 
I missed that the cabinet  position of secretary of state that deals with ambassadors is part of the Constitution. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 16, 2018 - 9:21pm
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 16, 2018 - 9:39pm
Jeffrey, the fact that the Obama and the Dems on the fly changed ACA, a compromise doesn't change the fact that the bill approved by the House to repeal and replace ACA retained the most ominous parts of the legislation.
Opes Added Apr 16, 2018 - 9:45pm
Jeffrey Kelly
Each of us have a level of subjectivity on these issues, that isn't bad or wrong because self interest is human as is self awareness.  But to wave off an opinion based on perceived evidence by saying it's subjective is to some respects a cop out. 
 
It is plain and simple that the media on most of the main TV stations were shocked by the Trump win, and are promoting mostly anti Trump news.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 17, 2018 - 11:01am
Jeff Kelly: I'm not so well-versed in American politics. I don't understand that Obama ran on a single-payer proposal on which he compromised. The article is a bit murky. If Obama did on a single-payer healthcare promise, he should have implemented it. But I think that he actually didn't.
 
Opes: On the day of Trump's election mainstream newsblog ZEIT online tainted all pictures in red. For three days they only ran anti-Trump doomsday articles and always with red-black pictures. They still say that they are neutral because from a neutral perspective people that they don't like are really evil and have it coming. After three days the pictures had normal colors again and articles about other governments who are lesser than Germany's were added.
 
Kelly again: You should be careful what you wish for. Some of your views mark you as a right-wing extremist by European standards and we are just ahead of the curve. You might find yourself in the very position of the despised in maybe ten years time.
Mike Haluska Added Apr 17, 2018 - 3:58pm
Ryan is/was a "Tower of Jell-O" who couldn't get legislation passed if he had 430 Republican Representatives!  For 7 years he wasted time passing legislation to repeal Obamacare knowing that Obama would veto it.  When he finally got a Republican House, Senate and President he could muster enough votes to repeal it!!!
 
Good riddens!!!
Mike Haluska Added Apr 17, 2018 - 3:58pm
correction to typo:
When he finally got a Republican House, Senate and President he couldn't muster enough votes to repeal it!!!
Dave Volek Added Apr 17, 2018 - 4:48pm
Thomas
Your stats with Americans are pretty much in line with my perceptions. Even though the mass protesters and supporters of mass protesters number only 10% (or less), they are still a viable political force to deal with. Mr Trump has chosen not to challenge them at all in his tweets, which I believe is the better electoral strategy. But he has felt their presence for sure--and they are having an effect on his psyche.
 
In the days of Arab spring, we saw crowded throngs in the city squares. While indeed impressive, they only managed to represent 2% (by my calculations) of the population. Yet things were changed, for better or worse.
 
“Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.”
Margaret Mead
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 18, 2018 - 2:25pm
@Benjamin Goldstein:
”Jeff Kelly: I'm not so well-versed in American politics. I don't understand that Obama ran on a single-payer proposal on which he compromised. The article is a bit murky. If Obama did on a single-payer healthcare promise,”
 
 
I can’t remember if he did or not.  
 
“he should have implemented it. But I think that he actually didn't.”
 
The Democrats and Obama used Romney’s plan as a compromise, hoping it would get Republican support.  Obviously it didn’t.
Bill H. Added Apr 20, 2018 - 10:35pm
 
I would guess that even Ryan has figured out that Trump is too far out for the Republican party. 
Cliff M. Added Apr 21, 2018 - 6:51am
Jeffrey,  Obama caved on single payer to the insurance lobby. His support waned early on after his henchman Rom Emanuel deserted the cause. They had the support of the house but a conservative Democrat who retired along with the Senator who was Al Gore's running mate in the 2000 presidential election put the kabosh on it. They played the American public for fools by debating the issue for months long after the decision to abort single payer was already made. Ten years later those who must purchase coverage are not much better off than when the whole debacle started. Many were forced to purchase health insurance which was more a life and catastropic plan than anything practical that could be used to pay for ordinary occurances. Huge deductible's and extremely high rates for actual full coverage. Low income, no income and insurance companies were the winners .
Thomas Sutrina Added Apr 21, 2018 - 8:11am
@Dave V, 2% may have been on the street but behind them were many more.  Consider the Irish  revolution that fizzled before WWI.  And the Cuban revolution that succeeded.  Both started out very small.  When the 'silent majority' spectrum of support is positive the end results will be success.
 
@Jeffrey K, and Cliff M. Obama didn't present a single payer plan.  Hillary was more in favor.  But many people said that insurance companies would go broke and the government insurance company would be the only one standing, single payer.   We see the result.  Cliff thanks for the history lessen.
 
@Bill H, your correct that Ryan was part of the Washington cabal, swamp and the standing policy of the GOP is to tell voters the principles of the party still exist but vote for a leviathan government.  Trump didn't get that message.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Apr 21, 2018 - 1:43pm
Thomas
 
"Trump didn't get that message.
 
Trump does not want that message. His view are nearly diametrically opposed to Ryan and his stale GOP stalwarts. 
 
I think the GOP likes to be in second place so their phony jobs are more secure.
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