War On Free Speech Killing Comedy?


Sophie Passmann (Image source: Twitter)


German comedian Sophie Passmann has become probably the first person to have a tweet deleted for being funny under Germany's new online hate speech law, which is one of the strictest 'hate' laws in Europe, although it does not prohibit Muslim Imans from calling on their followers to kill all infidels.


Fraulien Passman commented: "There shouldn't be a law against bad jokes, because that would mean that half the comedians in Germany wouldn't be allowed on stage."


Some worry that such laws  have an adverse effect on freedom of speech and thus curtail important civil rights. But others, mostly the snowflake generation, contend that the law, which came into force at the start of this year, is a step in the right direction. I wonder do these people understand how closely their behaviour resembles that of the 17th century Puritans, the people who banned Christmas, music, dancing, and thoroughly disapproved of laughter.


So what did Sophie Passmann do to trigger the snowflakes? Well it wasn't very funny but it certainly wasn't offensive. A bit of background is necessary first:


Passmann is a 24-year-old comedian who lives in Cologne, host to a large immigrant community and consequently the place where racial tensions run highest. Every New Year’s Eve Sophie becomes the butt of her friends’ jokes because of one of Germany’s most enduring year-end traditions: the airing of “Dinner for One” across German television. A British sketch originally, it’s about the 90th birthday party of an Englishwoman named Miss Sophie who has outlived all her friends. So her butler makes his way around the dinner table, impersonating each of the guests.


“New Year's Eve is terrible for a person called Sophie,” says Ms. Passmann. “My friends think it’s funny to call me Miss Sophie all night.” So this year she shot back. On the day the NetzDG law went into effect, she posted a tweet at 9 a.m. that played on the idea that immigrants are destroying German culture: “As long as it’s a tradition in Germany to watch ‘Dinner for One,’ refugees can totally come to Germany and destroy our culture.”


It's not her best joke, as she is the fist to admit, but it should have been obvious that it was humor. As far as the new puritans are concerned it is unacceptable to mention immigrants or Muslims in any humourous context. By the evening Passman had received multiple notifications from Twitter that users found it offensive, and by nightfall the company had removed it.


Some people may ask why should bad taste be acceptable in humour. My argument is that not only should be acceptable in humour, it is absolutely essential as a tool for puncturing the bubbles of pomposity and self righteousness with which those who would impose their moral prejudices on the whole world like to surround themselves.



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Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 21, 2018 - 1:15pm
Odd how liberalness has become so rigid.  Ian, another excellent piece of work from you here.  Nice!
Pardero Added Apr 21, 2018 - 1:27pm
Ian Thorpe,
Good article and good points. I am not particularly funny, at least not on purpose, and intend to enjoy the free speech that remains, to its fullest.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 21, 2018 - 1:31pm
I still have some admiration for Muhammad Ali.  He's extremely quotable.  For instance:  "Usually when people think I'm being funny, I'm just tellin' the truth."  And in fact, the cold, hard truth makes the most effective punchline or one-liner.  The truth is often the funniest, and I think a lot of comedians would agree.
Katharine Otto Added Apr 21, 2018 - 1:33pm
Germans have never had a very good sense of humor.  They probably don't even understand what's meant to be funny.  Look at German literature:  Kafka, Hesse.  Russians are just as bad for dark literature:  Dostoyovski, even Tolstoy. 
While I have issues with the Brits, I've always believed you people have the best humor in the world.  I like French humor, too.  In the US I've noticed the minorities--especially the blacks I'm most familiar with--have a better sense of humor than stuffy white intellectuals.
I do believe the world needs to lighten up.  Taking ourselves too seriously is the problem, not the solution.  Clamping down on free speech only leads to repression and violent release, such as war.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 21, 2018 - 2:55pm
Tom, I've been watching political discusion for a long time now and I've seen 'the liberal left' gradually keep shifting right (liberal meaning for individual freedom and small government, right being in favour of maximum regulation and few civil rights) until they now make Atilla The Hun look progressive.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 21, 2018 - 2:56pm
Pardero, one does not have to be funny to be interesting, you have worthwhile things to say and you say them well.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 21, 2018 - 3:05pm
Actually Katherine some Germans have a very good, if rather scatological sense of humour. We tend to forget that Germany is a younger nation than the USA and the old cultures of the various Principalities and Grand Duchies are still strong. It's mostly the Prussians that give us the impression they are all rather solemn.
Be interesting to get Stoney's impression of regional traits.
We have regional cultures in Britain of course, but fortunately all of us seem to like a good laugh. In a climate like ours we're stuck indoors a lot so before the Internet, TV and radio our ancestors needed to know a few jokes or bawdy songs to pass the time.
Dino Manalis Added Apr 21, 2018 - 4:54pm
It's okay to laugh, we shouldn't take everything so seriously!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 21, 2018 - 4:56pm
I could give some insights on the regional traits, but it's just as likely to get deleted by Thorpe as is by the German government. So I won't waste time. Still good post.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 21, 2018 - 5:33pm
Ian, Attila had at least a dozen wives, right?  Even the Muslim boar hogs would respect Attila! ;)
Thomas Napers Added Apr 22, 2018 - 3:30am
There is nothing funny about what Sophie wrote, so this article has nothing to do with free speech AND comedy.  I had no idea that offensive speech was illegal in Germany, but assuming you’re right and it is, the tweet should have been removed. 
I believe all speech should be allowed and offensive speech is the speech in most need of protection.  So is the German government actively taking down neo-Nazi websites?  Wouldn’t that be the first place to remove offensive on-line content?
Thomas Napers Added Apr 22, 2018 - 3:32am
Benjamin - Thorpe deletes comments?  If he deletes your reply here, kindly reply on my most recent submission.
Robert Burk Added Apr 22, 2018 - 3:42am
As a person brought up on Honeymooners and Bob Hope I think comedy died long ago. However, the joke is I think the eternal wringing of hands of people who do nothing crying why nothing is being done and why things are not working out well for them. Dark humor but funny never theless.
Robert Burk Added Apr 22, 2018 - 3:43am
Thorpe.. liberalism is for freedom, 100% you do not get it,,, their freedom ultimately becomes your prison...
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 22, 2018 - 4:03am
Thorpe: I won't backup. So I just make it short. The Southern and more Catholic regions have a strong sense of humor. The most humorous region however is Hesse which is mostly protestant. A disproportional number of comedians are from there. They don't make it to the big stages because Hesse is more rural. So they do standup, state radio shows, and regional state TV. The media scene is split with news stuff and soaps being produced in humorless Berlin while the entire comedy content is produced in the Catholic city of Cologn. The North does not understand jokes, but they will not admit if, of course.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 22, 2018 - 4:04am
I meant to address Napers in my last comment.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 22, 2018 - 9:24am
Tom, Attila is quite an interesting character, it's not known how many wives he had, but let's not forget the Sultans of the Ottoman Empire had hundreds, so if he only had a dozen they'd probably have thought he was a wimp. he wasn't, but he was a simple should who interpreted things literally from as shown in this, from www.history.com:
In the spring of 450, Honoria, the ambitious sister of Valentian III, emperor of Western Rome, sent Attila a ring and asked him to help her get out of the impending marriage to a Roman aristocrat her brother was forcing on her. Attila, who already had several wives (the exact number is unknown), took Honoria’s overture as a proposal. He claimed her as his newest bride, and half the Western Empire as her dowry.
Even while pursuing his claim on Honoria, he decided to take yet another wife, a beautiful young woman named Ildico. They married in 453, just as Attila was preparing another attack on the Eastern Roman Empire and its new emperor, Marcian. During the wedding at Attila’s palace, the groom feasted and drank late into the night. The next morning, after the king failed to appear, his guards broke down the door of the bridal chamber and found Attila dead, with a weeping, hysterical Ildico at his bedside. No wound could be found, and it appeared that Attila had suffered a bad nosebleed while lying in a stupor and choked to death on his own blood. Some suggested that Ildico played a part in his death, or that he fell victim to a conspiracy engineered by Marcian;
It sounds like something out of Game of Thrones. meets Spinal Tap.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 22, 2018 - 9:35am
Burk by name and berk by nature, you don't seem to understand the difference between liberalism (i.e. classical liberalism,) the political philosophy and libertinism, which is defined as a complete absence of moral restraints.
Liberalism is not 100% freedom and only a politically illiterate person would claim it is. Read the link I gave you.
Berk, btw is rhyming slang.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 22, 2018 - 9:40am
Benjamin, thanks for your comments on German regional culture, .the only part of Germany I'm familiar with is North Rhine - Westphalia.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 22, 2018 - 10:03am
I think comedy is incredibly important because it exposes truth that we are only subconscious of. The comedian is the modern day popular and practical philosopher. They are brilliant people. If I had the brain power, I would be one.
Laughter is created when un unconscious truth suddenly becomes conscious again - at least that is what I think. I've been wondering about what humour is in actuality since I heard my first joke.
The only thing I know about myself and humour is that I get funnier and sharper when I am doing a lot of intense rational thinking - reading Kant or learning math, my two habitual regular activities. Relearning the math I studied in engineering has been very interesting and good for me. At 54 I'm self studying a grad course from MIT (with no credit or knowledge on part of MIT). Lately, over the past week I've been stuck on one problem, I answer them all. Lately, intense thinking has improved my commentary on here. Writing is about thinking and the best thinking leads us to humour.
Like everything else, Western comedy is being destroyed. German comedy just wasn't very funny, unless you were German. I suspect the holocaust had something to do with that.
Ethnic jokes exposed the differences in culture between people, and often the target groups knew more jokes against them than anyone. They were a way for us to admit our differences and therefore communicate better. I was never offended when I heard a joke against a white guy and I was never hateful when I told a Jew of newphie joke.
Humour is good, that is why our international socialists want it wrecked.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 22, 2018 - 10:05am
I remember in the 70's, people told jokes all the time. I good joke travelled faster than stink.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 22, 2018 - 10:09am
re "Liberalism is not 100% freedom and only a politically illiterate person would claim it is. Read the link I gave you."
The difference is rule by reason vs rule by statutory obligation.
Leroy Added Apr 22, 2018 - 10:42am
Comedy, in general, seems to be dying as a public form of entertainment.  Most comedy involves ridiculing some group.  Polish jokes used to be popular.  Dumb blonde jokes had its day.  You can't say anything today without offending someone.  We can no longer laugh at ourselves.
Europe seems to be going overboard on restricting free speech.  The French limit free speech as well.  They must avoid at all costs upsetting the population that will protest and commit acts of terrorism if they are offended.  Those that respect Western traditions are not as likely to protest and certainly won't commit acts of terrorism over free speech.  Therefore, they are easier to control and restrict.  It is a sad day for Western ideals that we embrace the ideals of those who want to destroy us.  It is why many politicians wish that "That shitty little nation" would disappear.
Great, article, BTW, Ian.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 22, 2018 - 10:59am
Polish and Newfie jokes are just light humour. Poles and newfies laugh at them just like everyone else. No one takes it seriously. Poles and newfies are generally quite intelligent. I never met a stupid newfie. I never met a stupid Pole. These jokes are just cheap humour, nothing more. They do not breed hate at all, just a laugh or two.
Leroy Added Apr 22, 2018 - 11:04am
Thanks for reminding me of the Newfie jokes.  I had forgotten about them.  I lived in NS for five months a couple of decades ago.  They were quite popular.
My experience is that they can laugh with you until they don't.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 22, 2018 - 12:09pm
Doug, thanks for those comments on humour. As the great Mel Brooks once said, "You can't have huour without bad taste."

I like that concise definition of liberalism but I though berk needed a more detailed explanation.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 22, 2018 - 12:26pm
Leroy, just as Germany had Polish jokes and Sweden had Norwegian jokes (ask a Norwegian "how. high is that cliff and he'll jump off it to find out," so we had our Irish jokes (Paddy and Mick are driving from Liverpool to York but a fog comes down while they are crossing the high moors. "I t'ink we're lost Michael," says Paddy. "Stop the car I'll get out and look for a signpost," Mick says. He gets out and disappears into the fog. A few moments later he returns and says, "We're in a graveyard Paddy."
"Howya know dat Mick?" Paddy asks.
"I saw a grave marker wid the oldest fella in de world buried under it. He wez a hunnerd an' seventy eight."
"Feck me dat's old," says Paddy, "What wez his name?"
Mick says, "Miles from London."
Actually told by an Irishman, Dave Allen who also loved to ridicule the Catholic Church in Ireland. He's in great form in this video compilation.
If the ability to laugh at each other is taken from us, the danger is we will lose the ability to laugh at ourselves.
Adolf Dick McMenace Added Apr 22, 2018 - 1:50pm
As Germany has somewhat of a bad reputation to live down, it's not surprising that they're more PC than most. Yes, to many people out there, the concept of German humor goes over about the same way as the concept of sauerkraut ice cream. True, Germans tend to be on the serious side, but they also have no shortage of cut-ups. One of them told me this joke:
"One day, a guy in a hurry mildly rear-ended another car waiting at a stop sign. The rear-ender got out of the car to apologize to those he just rear-ended, which happned to be two gay guys. The rear-ender said, "Hey look, there's really no damage here, I'll give you 200 Marks and we'll call it even." The main fag told his boyfriend, "Detlef, call the police." The rear-ender then doubled his offer, which was met again with "Detlef, call the police." The rear-ender finally said, "OK, I really don't need the police here. I'll give you 1000 Marks! If you don't take that, then you can suck my balls! You can lick my ass!"
"Detlef, don't call the police...he's talking business now."
Another one:
"How does a prostitute re-tread herself? She shoves a ham up her pussy and then pulls out the bone."
What do the german call Vaseline? Wienerschleid! What do they call a virgin? Goodenteit! How do they tie their shoes? In little Nazis. HHHHhahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahaha!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 22, 2018 - 1:59pm
I remember the 80s, 90s and early 00s when we were all cool. Remember the Jew jokes? Woody Alan, Fran Drescher, Seinfeld....Even Germans made Jew jokes.
I also miss all the gay jokes. Civilization dies with its humor.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 22, 2018 - 2:01pm
And if you say some twit will stare at you in disbelief and say, 'you want to go BACK to times when it was OKAY to be mean to minorities.' Suckers.
Adolf Dick McMenace Added Apr 22, 2018 - 2:08pm
Almost every political joke I heard centered on Helmut Kohl. One of them went like this:
Once when asked about Spastik people, Helmut Kohl said he was familiar with the term. When asked how, he said, "My wife tells me to macht Spass, Dicke", whenever she wants sex." But it's funnier in the original German, lol.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 22, 2018 - 2:17pm
Michael. You were stationed in Hesse which is indeed the comedy center for Germany. I found the prepared jokes not very funny, but people are quick on the feet and they GET IT.
I think pc does not protect minorities but idiots. Finally they don't have to faux giggle when the rest of the group starts laughing.
I also find pc deeply antisemitic.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 22, 2018 - 2:21pm
I hope not to hurt Flying Junior's feelings, but I think that he exemplifies how much humor is still left in California. I mean, it isn't really difficult to understand most jokes, is it?
Leroy Added Apr 22, 2018 - 2:22pm
Where's Mark K. when you need him?
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 22, 2018 - 2:27pm
In East Germany people have a sense of humor that is based on the dictatorship. Quite famously there are the Honecker jokes.
One day Honecker (leader of the regime) went to his office and his assistant is gone. He sends out his secretary to look for him. Next day he goes to the office and both his secretary and his janitor is gone. He searches the building and finds a tunnel. A note sticks at the entry, 'We are gone! Honecker, switch off the light. You are the last man left!"
Adolf Dick McMenace Added Apr 22, 2018 - 2:29pm
DDR = Deutsche Duerfen Raus!
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 22, 2018 - 2:34pm
And have you noticed the pc replacement humor. Now, it is just about insulting conservatives. No twist, no genius. Just: "Trump is sooooo stupid when he scratches his head he breaks his finger." And the zeals will clap.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 22, 2018 - 3:03pm
One of the most important oppositional blogs is actually a daily collection of sneaky fun articles from other blogs that don't praise Angela Merkel. It's called "Achse des Guten", axis of good. The URL reads, 'achgut.com', like 'ach gut', which is a sigh Germans utter when they laugh heavily, taking breath. Of course, it's run by a Jew, Henryk Broder.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 22, 2018 - 3:47pm
Michael B,
There's a German comedian named Henning Wehn who gts quite a lot of work in Britain, he's very good too. His best joke in my opinion.
"A German couple had a baby boy, a beautiful baby, and they were devoted to him and could not wait for him to get his first tooth, take his first step, say his first word and achieve all those other things babies have to do. Everything went well except that he never spoke, not even simple things. He was seen by specialists, child psychologists, speech therapists, anyone the parents though might help.
Eventually the little boy's parents resigned themselves to the idea that their son would never speak even though the experts could find no reason for it.
Then one day his mother put a bowl of soup in front of him and handed him a spoon. The boy tasted it and said, "Mother, what are you doing, this soup is disgusting, how do you expect me to eat such shit."
And the mother said, "Oh Hans, you can speak, this is wonderful, but why have you never spoken to us before?"
And the kid said, "Until now everything was satisfactory."
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 22, 2018 - 3:48pm
I'll be back tomorrow to service the thread, right now I have a pressing appointment with a bottle of white rioja.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 22, 2018 - 3:55pm
I heard a right winger on youtube the other day "Do you know why they call it a liebury? Its where they bury their lies." The Left doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity.
George N Romey Added Apr 22, 2018 - 4:54pm
Could you imagine if shows like All in the Family or Sanford & Son premiered today? The “pc” police would go crazy.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 22, 2018 - 5:01pm
You couldn't even run Disney's Aladdin movie of the nineties. So much cultural appropriation. A lot of "racist" jokes.
In Europe we have started to rewrite 'Pipi Longstockings' children books because it contains words like 'negroe king' (changed to South Sea King).
Jeff Jackson Added Apr 22, 2018 - 9:20pm
Good to know these things, Ian. Basically, liberal don't want anything that makes them look bad. Political correctness is so hypocritical that the only reason it remains is that its followers have to be mentally challenged. There, I used the politically correct term for stupid.
Tamara Wilhite Added Apr 22, 2018 - 9:35pm
When a number of prominent comedians are complaining about it and refusing to perform on campus, the answer is clearly YES. Liberal bullies are killing comedy in the name of kindness.
Katharine Otto Added Apr 23, 2018 - 12:09pm
Ian and Benjamin,
I stand corrected on German humor.  Doug Plumb is right in that you have to be fairly well educated just to understand some humor, or at least familiar with the cultures or groups being satirized.
As this thread shows, humor will never die.  It will just change form.  PC may be the next target.  
If you can laugh with those who are laughing at you, you can turn enemies into friends.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 23, 2018 - 1:31pm
Jeff, Every day I see liberals making war on common sense. They have little understanding of human nature but must at least understand that the best weapon we have against their authoritarianism is ridicule.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 23, 2018 - 1:33pm
Tamara, thumbs up to your comment, but when you say liberals are killing comedy in the name of kindness, I think you really mean in the name of self righteousness.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 23, 2018 - 1:50pm
George, I don't know Sandford and Son although I see it was based on the BBC's Steptoe and Son, which only shocked because of its 'colourful' working class vernacular. I do remember All In The Family, another BBC spin off, from a show named "Til Death Us Do Part," in which the main character, Alf Garnett, was racialist, using words like wog and coon to describe the people who should be "sent back where they come from". The point was it reflected the ultra conservative attitudes of the working class.
Neither could run now,   Til Death was very funny but was offensive if taken out of context, Steptoe because it was simply too funny.
A few years ago another working class comedy upset the snowflakes even though there was no content connected with race, sexuality or immigration. I guess for all their claims to be caring, sharing, diverse and inclusive the lefties just hate to see working class people being the central characters rather than only getting minor roles.
So it was no surprise to see the return of Roseanne being savaged by critics.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 23, 2018 - 1:57pm
Benjamin, it doesn't surprise me the Swedes are rewriting Pippi Longstocking, politically correct activism is taken to insane levels there.
When I worked in Stockholm Disney had just released The Hunchback Of Notre Dame. It had to retitled for Sweden, "The Bellringer Of Notre Dame," because hunchback might offend people with spinal deformities.
Some of our more outspoken Swedish colleagues said this was stupid, Sweden's eugenics programme (which ran until the 1970s) had eliminated spinal deformities according to the government.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 23, 2018 - 1:59pm
Doug indeed, the left does not have a monopoly on stupidity, but while they delude themselves they have monopolies on goodness, truth and virtue they will provide us with plenty of laughs.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 23, 2018 - 2:31pm
Katherine, PC is already a target but because liberals and lefties dominate the media it hasn't dawned on them yet that their self righteous attitudes are driving away viewers and customers. When they finally understand they are putting themselves out of work they'll change.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 23, 2018 - 3:02pm
Le Bossu de Notre Dame is also translated with Bellringer in German.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 23, 2018 - 3:05pm
Also interesting, Douglas Murray's bestseller 'The Strange Death of Europe' was turned down by all major German publishers and was launched by a very small Finance Literature Publishing House.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 23, 2018 - 4:33pm
Benjamin, I don't know about German but for Swedish "de puckelrygg av vår dam" works fine for me. The novel by Victor Hugo was simply titled Our Lady Of Paris but "Vår dam av Paris" doesn't resonate at all.
The Disney version owes more to the 1939 Charles Laughton / Maureen O'Hara movie in which Laughton turned in a piece of overacting to rival that of Robert Newton's Long John Silver in Treasure Island so they should stick with the title.
Hugo's novel was as much about the beauty of Gothic architecture as Quasimodo and Esmarelda. Don't know why, Chartres is more impressive and for atmosphere and photogenic appeal I prefer The Sacre Coeur.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 23, 2018 - 4:54pm
I think the German name of the novel was always 'Der Gloeckner von Notre Dame' (i.e. bellringer). I also like the Swedish word for hunchback 'puckelrygg'. Sounds cute (and this will be the last nice thing I say about anything Swedish - I'm openly racist against them).
Steve Bull Added Apr 24, 2018 - 9:16am
I can only imagine how Monty Python's Flying Circus humour would be viewed by today's self-proclaimed censors and judges of all things proper and appropriate...
David Montaigne Added Apr 25, 2018 - 6:34am
"target="_blank">Germany's new online hate speech law, which is one of the strictest 'hate' laws in Europe, although it does not prohibit Muslim Imans from calling on their followers to kill all infidels."
Europe's "leadership" seems like a bunch of traitors determined to destroy Western Civilization from within, and current immigration policies are hate policies - they are self-hating liberals who don't value culture when it's German, French, British, Swedish... they just want to bring in Middle Eastern culture to destroy that of native Western Europeans.
In my last prophecy book I pointed out that Nostradamus actually described a lot of this in great detail almost 500 years ago.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 25, 2018 - 1:07pm
There is an English language youtube video produced for the "Achse des Guten" blog.
Enjoy and meditate your Nazi chakra!
Not really funny, but okay enough.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 25, 2018 - 2:43pm
Benjamin, you aren't keen on Swedes. You'll enjoy this golden oldie.
A Spanish policeman on the Costa del Sol was on a routine patrol looking for people camping on the beach when he came across the naked corpse of a blonde girl. Thinking she was not likely to be going anywhere he walked off to look for anyone who might know what had happened.
When he returned he found a drunken Brit making love to the body.
"Cease and desist," the cop said, drawing his gun, "don't you know that girl is dead?"
The Brit says, "Dead, oh sorry, I thought she was Swedish."
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 25, 2018 - 2:46pm
Steve Bull, The Pythons would have a field day producing a show mocking politically correct snowflakeism - but the show would be taken off the air after one episode.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 25, 2018 - 2:55pm
David, it may dawn on them one day that screching about gay rights while simultaneously campaigning for the importation of people who  think the way to deal with gays is to throw them off high buildings is really very stupid.
I'm not holding my breath however, these are the people who call for perpetrators of domestic violence to be boiled in oil, then yell "racist" at people who say there's no room for Sharia law in western society. (As you probably know Sharia gives Muslims the right to beat their wives.)
opher goodwin Added Apr 25, 2018 - 5:22pm
Yes - taking things too far. There is a balance between inciting hatred and freedom of speech. They've got the line in the wrong place.
Riley Brown Added Apr 25, 2018 - 7:43pm
The obvious problem with Sophie's joke is that she was not Muslim.  Here in America we have similar problems with white people who get in trouble for telling jokes and using language that only Blacks are allowed to use. 
You can't believe how funny it is to hear Black comedians use the N-Word, or how unbelievably horrible it would be to hear a White comedian utter the same joke or use the same language.
I have been horrified by what I've heard many times, only to look up and realize it's all OK because the person I overheard was "entitled" to use that language.  In fact when I realize that I often feel guilty for having thought they were horrible people, only moments before when I didn't realize they were not White.
I'm so confused...
Mark Hunter Added Apr 26, 2018 - 4:40am
I'm not a fan of jokes that are in bad taste, despite my own love of puns, which by definition are bad. But there are jokes I think are perfectly fine that others think are in bad taste. So, as usual, the question is: Who gets to decide? Maybe none of us should get to decide.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 26, 2018 - 9:10am
Riley, I know how you feel. I get quite irritated when I hear people saying that references to 'blacks' are OK when in linguistic terms it is no different to using 'nigger'.
Also I feel it is very unfair that I, as an English person cannot describe Pakistanis as Pakis, yet after holidays in the sun, or on the rare occasions we get a hot summer in northern England, I get called Paki thanks to genes inherited from my one Indian grandparent.
There's just no consistency.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 26, 2018 - 9:15am
Opher, the current Mayor of London isn't helping when he tells police to ignore 'minor crimes' but prioritise investigating 'hate crime'. In the great scheme of things an individual's feelings are no more significant than a gnat's fart in a hurricane, so surely 'hate crimes' which involve no physical violence but often only criticism of a religion or culture (and fairly reasonable criticism at that) are the most trivial of offences.
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 26, 2018 - 9:23am
Mark, as you say, in cases of what is acceptable and what is not, the issue is distorted by self appointed arbitrators.
In my view context is all important. While there is a consensus that it is not acceptable to use the 'n'word to demean or insult an individual or a social group, but as Riley points out, it is OK for members of that group to use a misspelled version to describe themselves, where is the line drawn.
As people can be equally prickly about certain four letter words, I can only describe those who agree that certain words are OK for one group of people but not another as a bunch of cupid stunts.
Mark Hunter Added Apr 27, 2018 - 1:34am
Context is a big thing, Ian!
Eric Reports Added Apr 27, 2018 - 2:23pm
The left hate humor unless it has something to do with their own political beliefs.  Ultimately, they are boring.  Watch any new sit-coms lately?
Ian Thorpe Added Apr 28, 2018 - 4:05pm
Eric, the left's idea of a joke is to yell Trump's an idiot.
It may be true, but as all politicians are idiots, its not funny. On the other hand British comedy has been taken over by university brainwashed rich kids who get on stage and do forty - five minutes of self pity.
Compared to that, the plague is funny.

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