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Despite our Autumn's massive efforts to find new writers to join our forum we continually suffer those conditioned by other sites and the likes of disqus, twitter, goolag and youtube et al that censorship is normal and censorship of opposing views is paramount. 

 

Its my contention, and apparently that of several others of the WB family that censorship is detestable.

 

Lately we have had two FNGs (Fuckin' New Guys) invade the free speech sanctuary that Autumn has so diligently provided. Rather than getting with the program as it exists they wish to impose their nasty ideas on those of us that offer criticism of their work, ideas and censorship. 

 

As I'm not the Asshole Whisperer and have a full active life I choose to reject these and and any future FNGs who exhibit these contemptable behaviors. 

 

As with this "Red October" character I will delete all my comments on the thread of anyone who acts or speaks of silencing me or any other writer on WB. By acting or speaking of silencing anyone they have proven themselves unworthy.

 

As with the utterly laughable "Proclaim  Liberty", apparently liberty is only reserved for those that agree with his detestable premise, the only way to solve his contempt for WB's true freedom is to refuse to acknowledge his nasty ideas altogether. 

Comments

Michael B. Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:21am
Captain Gilbert, I wholeheartedly stand by your statement, and you can guess which end of a certain double-headed artifact they can bounce in upon, lol. Normally, I'd say "Fuck those cum stains and their slimy whore mothers.", but lately I've been accused of "damning certain people by faint praise." LOOOL
Pardero Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:29am
Jeffry Gilbert,
I agree. There are plenty of places for all those too faint of heart to handle free speech. I can't imagine that WB writers care to have any MSM narratives parotted, whether it is left or right drivel.
Those FNGs need to go back to their safe echo chambers. 
 
They seem to be neocons, and won't lack for votes from that detestable crowd. That crowd does not patronize articles by free thinkers, rebels, and iconoclasts. Turnabout is certainly fair play.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:52am
 I wholeheartedly stand by your statement
 
Thanks Michael, always love your color commentary.
 
James Travil Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:52am
I think you know, but just in case you don't, I agree entirely with you Jeffry. Both of the FNGs you mentioned have their, issues, especially Hindenburg (aka "Red Asshat" aka "Red - some hypocrisy bullshit...), who is a fascist mother fucker on top of everything else. In any case you have my word that censorship will never be in my toolbox. Can't speak for the various FNGs.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:57am
I agree. There are plenty of places for all those too faint of heart to handle free speech.
 
Thanks for the contribution to this thread. Its always good to read your comments and articles. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:06am
I agree entirely with you Jeffry.
 
Thanks James for your valuable contribution to this thread. 
 
Michael B. Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:08am
Thanks Michael, always love your color commentary.
 
Is there any higher praise possible? I love you Captain Gilbert...I truly do, LOOOL!!!! 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:26am
I love you Captain Gilbert
 
I blush. 
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:37am
One of the basic tenets of the Writer Beat is that authors may delete any comment they wish.
 
I agree with you that Proclaim Liberty is a way over-the-top RW fucking maniac.  I need that guy like I need a hole in my head.
 
It's not like you have never had a personality conflict on the WB.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:51am
One of the basic tenets of the Writer Beat is that authors may delete any comment they wish.
 
Indeed. Autumn provides that function. 
 
An even more basic tenant is even though that ability is provided those that truly believe in freedom never use it. 
 
It's not like you have never had a personality conflict on the WB.
 
Only the weak censor those they don't like. Read through my comments back to the beginning I never delete comments even those that are especially hard on me or point out fallacies or even character faults. Can you say the same? 
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:52am
Recently, yes.  Maybe not so much in the old days.  Hard to remember.
 
You're okay by me.  I consider you a formidable opponent.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:59am
You're okay by me.  I consider you a formidable opponent.
 
Thank you FJ. 
 
opher goodwin Added Apr 28, 2018 - 4:28am
There's no place for censorship. Let the arseholes speak and condemn themselves with their own deplorable bullshit.
It sure makes for a fun forum.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 4:41am
Let the arseholes speak and condemn themselves with their own deplorable bullshit.
 
Thanks Opher for your inimitable contribution to this thread. 
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 28, 2018 - 6:46am
Jeffry
 
Hm. Now I know why I didn't care much about their stuff :)
John Minehan Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:06am
At risk of pissing off Jeff Kelly (given his very well-written article last week), with any speech, "By their fruits shall you know them."  Matthew 7:15.
 
If it is on point, why NOT quote the KJV or Shakespeare?  
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:38am
Now I know why I didn't care much about their stuff 
 
Happy to be of service. Thanks Stone.
 
Dino Manalis Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:39am
Critique is important, but we should respect all views and allow people to express them!
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:40am
If it is on point, why NOT quote the KJV or Shakespeare?  
 
I'm confused John, am I missing something? I'm not sure what that has to do with FNGs.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:43am
Critique is important, but we should respect all views and allow people to express them!
 
Thanks for stopping by Dino. Allow and freedom aren't the same thing. Allow implies permission and freedom doesn't need it.
 
George N Romey Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:44am
I wonder sometimes where Autumn finds some of these characters. Prime example the dunce that seems to think billions for bombs is ok but actually pays those people that rush into burning buildings and save lives no way. Tell you what let’s see him agree to work for free.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:49am
Tell you what let’s see him agree to work for free.
 
Exactly. Thanks George for your contribution to this thread.
 
Doug Plumb Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:54am
Agreed.
 
It is Mills that has the best idea regarding censorship. Censorship of bad ideas prevents people with wrong ideas from having their thoughts retuned or re-adjusted. Its important not only to opposing bad ideas to surface but also ignorant ones so they can be corrected.
  My view is that the restriction of ideas can lead to violence. If someone doesn't like Christians, and I am one of those Christians, I'd like to know why.
  Some people have been born into the idea that censorship is the best protection for their ideas and that their ideas are better or more important than everyone else's. We have enough hubris coming from the Establishment, we don't need any more here.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 28, 2018 - 8:06am
Censorship is inherently dishonest and is a requirement of the weak.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 9:39am
We have enough hubris coming from the Establishment, we don't need any more here.
 
Censorship is inherently dishonest and is a requirement of the weak.
 
Spot on both times. Thanks for contributing to this thread Doug.
 
John Minehan Added Apr 28, 2018 - 9:42am
"If it is on point, why NOT quote the KJV or Shakespeare?  
 
I'm confused John, am I missing something? I'm not sure what that has to do with FNGs."
 
The quote had to do with FNGs, the comment was a wise remark on a Jeffrey Kelly article from last week . . . . 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 9:49am
Jeffrey Kelly article from last week . . . . 
 
Thanks for the clarification John. I confess I missed your reference. Thanks for your contribution to this thread.
 
Michael B. Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:59am
One time there was an obnoxious new guy at work that managed to get me to hate him within his first week, by announcing that he was going to start calling me "Sunshine". I replied that his new nickname was "Cum Stain." He didn't care for the moniker, so "Sunshine" stopped pretty quick. A few days later, he tried to "make up"with me by puttting his hands on me, which prompted a quote from Colonel Flagg:
 
"My father touched me like that once. To this day, he wears orthopedic shirts."
 
Apparently, New Ass Man went to the boss and squealed on me. In many ways, this dildonic cockswab is the epitome of many, if not most of these assholes who start shit but act all butt-hurt when they get a good thumping
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:05am
this dildonic cockswab is the epitome of many, if not most of these assholes who start shit but act all butt-hurt when they get a good thumping
 
I'm going to have to start taking notes Michael. 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:15am
One notices neither of those I called out have responded within the 12 plus hours my article has been up. I have my suspicions why, can anyone offer their idea why they are conspicuously absent from this thread?
Bill H. Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:36am
 
Agreed Jeffry-
Censorship is a prime ingredient of enabling dictatorships. We are beginning to see the testing of our system and an evolving experiment in the introduction of censorship presently here in the US. The one's responsible know how easy it is to manipulate the masses as we have witnessed with the near elimination of privacy and the collection and distribution of personal data without question or concern by the people.
I have been out of town for a few days, but I can imagine that you are describing a wave of "Hit and Run" whiners that basically stop by WB on an invite, take a crap, forget to wipe, and go on their merry way whining and bitching from blog to blog within the comfort and security of their keyboard.
Mustafa Kemal Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:38am
Jeffrey Gilbert, let me play devils advocate here a bit.
 
I have seen posts derailed by agressive off topic comments which often lead to responses to the off topic comment and responses to those.. And I have seen posters try to get the thread back on the topic of discussion, to no avail. Some times they are so overwhelmed that the thread just dies in confusion and no progress is made in the discussion. 


Now, maybe some posters feel that if they prune out the diversions that the thread can stay on track better. 
 
What do you think?
Its not my way, its just a thought
Mustafa
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:40am
I can imagine that you are describing a wave of "Hit and Run" whiners that basically stop by WB on an invite, take a crap, forget to wipe, and go on their merry way whining and bitching from blog to blog within the comfort and security of their keyboard.
 
Yep, same story different day. You and Michael are keeping me in stitches today. Thanks Bill for your contribution to this thread.
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:44am
Pard
 
There are plenty of places for all those too faint of heart to handle free speech
 
Yep. And this is a place where you can still say asshole or fuck.
 
I mean WHAT WE SAY in real life should be forbidden in writing ? We're not PC here....not yet ;-)
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:44am
What do you think?
 
I think deleting another's comment is flat out wrong. 
 
As to your I have seen posters try to get the thread back on the topic of discussion, to no avail. It certainly happens and has happened on my threads as well. 
 
Let me answer this way: The surest way to get off my ship was to force me to issue an order.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:47am
I mean WHAT WE SAY in real life should be forbidden in writing ? 
 
Fuck no it shouldn't! Are you fuckin' nuts? Jesusfuckinchristonagoddamnfuckincrutch Stone have you gone batshit fuckin' crazy? :)
 
Cynthia Rouse Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:51am
Freedom of Speech is one of the primary rights that separates us from Communists, Totalitarians and Barbarians. It is a capstone and foundation of Freedom.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:53am
Freedom of Speech is one of the primary rights that separates us from Communists, Totalitarians and Barbarians. It is a capstone and foundation of Freedom.
 
Right on Cynthia. Thanks for your contribution to this thread. 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 12:01pm
@John Minehan:
It’s OK, John.  Feel free to BB away.
 
As for what Jeffry wrote, I agree.  I say leave all comments unless it turns to personal attacks on one’s family.  That is my “do not cross” line.
Mustafa Kemal Added Apr 28, 2018 - 12:05pm
Jeffrey Gilbert, 
re:"Let me answer this way: The surest way to get off my ship was to force me to issue an order."
 
You are now very dear to my heart.
 
Mustafa
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 12:07pm
As for what Jeffry wrote, I agree.
 
Thanks for your valuable contribution to this thread Jeffrey. 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 12:08pm
You are now very dear to my heart.
 
Thank you for the kind words and your contribution to this thread.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 28, 2018 - 12:26pm
Cynthia
 
Freedom of Speech is one of the primary rights that separates us from Communists, Totalitarians and Barbarians. It is a capstone and foundation of Freedom.
 
What kind of prefabricated delusional shit is this ?? You're old enough to know better, or not ? If not, better concentrate on your make-up. This is about the most ignorant comment I've read in years LOL
John Minehan Added Apr 28, 2018 - 12:37pm
Jeffrey,
 
"Though this be madness, yet there is method in't."  Hamlet, Act 2, Sc.iii.  
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 12:51pm
I've never seen the word "truncated" so overused (Proclaim Liberty).  Anyway, he's a piece of work.  Deleted my comments and dropped a 'Never Again'.  It was quite vindicating for me, but how do you carry on a debate when he deletes comments that are inconvenient to his argument.  But yeah, 'Proclaim Liberty' is a reused douchebag...so far.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:24pm
@John Minehan:
 
“Now don't hang on
Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky
It slips away
And all your money won't another minute buy

Dust in the wind”
 
Kansas 19:77
 
;)
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:28pm
PL deleted some of my comments.  I decided to drop out after that.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:38pm
It's funny how Ashkenazim enjoy opening a debate about Israel and the historic persecution of their people, yet refuse to acknowledge incontrovertible facts or address the gigantic voids of unanswered questions that millions have.  Typically, when the goy makes a clear point or asks difficult questions, the Jew just calls him an anti-Semite and tries to discount and dismiss him.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:46pm
Tom, damnit, are they Khazars or Ashkenazim?????  FFS, get a theory and stick with it!!!!!!!
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:50pm
One in the same, Jeffrey.  As with Black/Negro/Colored, Asian/Oriental, White/Caucasian.  It's all preference, really, depending on which era, area, and dependent on which term is considered PC or offensive on that day. 
Pardero Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:53pm
Some pinheads are giving the strident jackass, Proclaim Liberty, plenty of likes. No accounting for taste. He ain't gonna get any business from me, nor will his butt-brother, Red Bloviator.
He is just another constipated neocon, and life is too short to bother with him.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 1:58pm
@Tom Purcell:
”One in the same, Jeffrey.”
 
That’s a Tom code, this is what it means:
 
”I really don’t know but they are really big words that sound cool.”
 
:)
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:25pm
Pardero,
 
PL's article is long winded, hot winded and wordy.  It doesn't flow, and it strives way too hard to legitimize Israel's posture.  The more comments he deletes, the more authors and commenters with backbone he alienates.  That's fine to me because it's clear that he doesn't aim to have honest debate.  Proclaim Liberty, like many FNG's and some that never leave WB, wants to lecture.  He wants to tell us what's what, as if we're all cavepeople pounding stones together.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:29pm
Well, Billy definitely qualifies as a cave person....
Oh, wait, he’s too big for us now.
 
Never mind.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:34pm
What does that make you, Jeffrey?  Billy sells books, gives interviews, runs a radio show and leads organized rallies.  You sit on your cottage cheese ass, yakking about something you have limited, superficial knowledge of.  If Billy Roper is a caveman, Jeffrey Kelly is barely a multicellular organism.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 28, 2018 - 2:56pm
LOL...multicellular organism. Gotta remember that one.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 3:01pm
@Tom Purcell:
”What does that make you, Jeffrey?”
 
1) Not a scumbag racist.
2) Not a moronic denier.
3) Far more knowledgeable about history.
 
Lots of people are famous for the wrong reasons, Tom.  Ted Bundy was famous, so was Charles Manson.  I take a great deal of comfort that I’m smarter than him and not a scumbag.  If he wants to debate me in the Holocaust he can come back here.
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 3:02pm
Hey, I’ve been working out.  I hardly have a cottage cheese ass.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 3:07pm
LOL
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 3:08pm
I’ve lost 40 pounds, Tom.  I’m bringing sexy back.
 
:)
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 28, 2018 - 4:34pm
At some point Ian Thorpe started to delete all of my posts, but I assume that he's come to reason again. Hope that some of the newbies will find the WB groove and roll with adverse opinions.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 28, 2018 - 4:52pm
I think Manson was a holocaust denier, in which case he cannot be all bad.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 5:57pm
Wow.  Nice to see the levels our Holocaust deniers stoop to.
 
Charles Manson was one history’s shittier persons, Doug.  
James Travil Added Apr 28, 2018 - 6:18pm
Come on Jeffrey, Doug defending Charles Manson is nothing. He defended Adolf Hitler for being a good Christian, how's Manson any worse than that? 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 6:38pm
Good point.
 
Hitler was hardly a good Christian.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:15pm
"I used to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the church services." - Adolf Hitler speaking of his childhood memories in Catholic church.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:29pm
 
Adolf Hitler:
 
“National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.”



“Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.”


“The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State.”


“The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.”
 
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:32pm
He meant every word, and he was speaking of the institution of Christianity, not the faith, not Christ's message or God himself, just the institution, and I largely agree with him in the context of these words.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:35pm
Nice, Tom.  It amazes me how you can twist Hitler’s words to whatever meaning suits you.
 
Whatever works.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:43pm
"Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse..."
 
Yeah, it's just me being a typical Hitlerite. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 7:47pm
It’s fine, Tom.  Whatever works for you.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 28, 2018 - 8:08pm
Christ was the first to warn us about churches. Christ is reason.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 28, 2018 - 8:09pm
The above quotes suggest Hitler was a fellow traveller. Many have said it.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 28, 2018 - 8:10pm
re "Charles Manson was one history’s shittier persons, Doug. "
 
Given that this was televised, I suspect the actual truth to be very different to that which is "known". Its not a truth machine Jeffry. I don't know anything about Manson. It was a joke.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 8:12pm
I think Jeffrey would benefit from some 'Gospel of John' study.  There's a movie from the early 2000s, a 3-6 hour type of thing that you might gain something from, Jeffrey.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 9:02pm
I think it would put me to sleep but thanks anyway, Tom.  The religious stuff just doesn’t do anything for me.  I have no problem with people who have faith.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 9:04pm
The problem is that you say so many whackadoodle things I can’t tell when you are joking, Doug.
Tom C. Purcell Added Apr 28, 2018 - 9:32pm
Jeffrey, I enjoyed it.  The Gospel of John deals a lot with 'truth'.  Roll up a doobie and chill to some of Jesus' philosophy.  It's not like 'The Passion of the Christ', it's not heavy like that.  It's contemplative and doesn't preach at the viewer so much.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:12pm
“No, no, no, I don’t smoke it no more, tired of waking up on the floor.....”
 
I guess that it is one benefit of living in Oregon, Tom.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:33pm
how do you carry on a debate when he deletes comments that are inconvenient to his argument.
 
You can't. Thanks for your contribution to this thread.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:34pm
PL deleted some of my comments.  I decided to drop out after that.
 
The only reasonable response
James Travil Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:36pm
Oh my, really Jeffrey Kelly? What about this? Hitler was a Christian - List of Hitler quotes — he was quite the vocal Catholic – Pharyngula - https://www.google.com/amp/scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/08/23/list-of-hitler-quotes-he-was-q/amp/
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:36pm
He ain't gonna get any business from me
 
Again, the only reasonable response.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:37pm
The more comments he deletes, the more authors and commenters with backbone he alienates.
 
Exactly
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:39pm
Hope that some of the newbies will find the WB groove and roll with adverse opinions.
 
Mine too.
 
James Travil Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:42pm
Great, old links don't work! Try this one instead - Adolf Hitler on Christianity: Quotes - https://www.thoughtco.com/adolf-hitler-on-christianity-quotes-248190
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:46pm
@James Travil:
”Oh my, really Jeffrey Kelly? What about this? Hitler was a Christian - List of Hitler quotes — he was quite the vocal Catholic”
 
The quotes I offered speak for themselves.  Several of his followers were very anti-Christian, Joseph Goebbels and Alfred Rosenberg come to mind.
 
Hitler often invoked “Providence” or “Lord” while speaking and he copied much of the pageantry of the Catholic Church.  But a Christian?  No, not really.
Katharine Otto Added Apr 28, 2018 - 10:59pm
Jeffry,
I didn't read Proclaim Liberty's post.  I tend to avoid posts by people without real names, although I do make exceptions if the title and first couple of lines are interesting.
 
I've noticed more posts by people without names.  Is this a trend?
James Travil Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:00pm
"The quotes I offered speak for themselves."
As do the quotes I offered at the (second) link I provided. I'll let others decide for themselves, I already have decided what I believe based on the avaliable information. 
James Travil Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:04pm
For those who need a preview of the material at the link I provided:

Adolf Hitler Proclaimed his Faith in Jesus as Lord, Savior, and Inspiration













Updated March 06, 2017




Despite how often Christian apologists try to argue that Adolf Hitler is an example of the evil caused by atheism and secularism, the truth is that Hitler often proclaimed his own Christianity, how much he valued Christianity, how important Christianity was to his life, and even how much he was personally inspired by Jesus - his "Lord and Savior." There is plenty of evidence that he was critical of Christian churches for seeking independence from the state, but his vision of "Positive Christianity" was significant to him.




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Adolf Hitler: The Nazi Party Represents Positive Christianity







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"We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession...."


- Article 20 of the program of the German Workers' Party (later named the National Socialist German Workers' Party, NSDAP)


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Adolf Hitler: I am a Catholic




I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so.

- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941


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Adolf Hitler: Religious Life as the Highest and Most Desirable Ideal



Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:06pm
I've noticed more posts by people without names.  Is this a trend?
 
I don't know Katharine, perhaps its just a reaction to all the people getting doxed and losing their jobs over something they wrote on the interwebs. Perhaps it more nefarious. 
 
Thanks for your contribution to this thread.
 
Michael B. Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:11pm
Nazis, Nazis, Nazis!!! Somebody could write a post about cute little kitty-cats, and fucking Nazis and their fucking foes will find a way to engage in a fruitless and ad nauseum slugfest, lol. However, I may as well get momentarily sucked into it. Hitler was well-known to be hostile toward anything and everything that got in his way, including all forms of religion. His own words, from the so-called Table Talk compilation, makes his attitude toward religions very clear:
 
When National Socialism has ruled long enough, it will no longer be possible to conceive of a form of life different from ours. In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together.
 
I howled with laughter when I read this one:
 
The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practises a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its key-note is intolerance. Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam. The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilisation at a single stroke. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. The result of the collapse of the Roman Empire was a night that lasted for centuries.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 28, 2018 - 11:32pm
@James Travil:
I’m not sure what the point of this is.
 
I’ve noticed that both sides of this Hitler debate proclaim their points very loudly.  I look at it dispassionately because I simply don’t care.  Communism claimed to be Godless and murdered millions in the hopes of creating a paradise, Christians and Muslims did the same.  Even Jews did it, the difference is their numbers are much smaller so their attempts at genocide lacked the real oomph needed to really ratchet it up.
 
This is a human problem, not a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, atheist or whatever problem.  All of us have a real capacity to murder the other in the name of whatever strikes our fancy at that moment.  I admit that I rub this in the face of self-righteous Christians who whine about Muslims while forgetting their two-thousand-year campaign against pagans or their fellow Christians.  Can’t forget what they did to Jews when they remembered they were there.
 
So, whether or not Hitler was a Christian  is largely irrelevant.  What matters to me is historical accuracy.  His actions and words, plus who he kept closest to him, tell me he wasn’t.  Hitler was a consummate actor who pressed the right buttons.  He knew that Germany was equal parts Catholic or Protestant in his time.  These were the people he needed so he spoke their language.  It was mostly window dressing.
Mustafa Kemal Added Apr 29, 2018 - 12:15am
Katharine Otto,
re:"I've noticed more posts by people without names.  Is this a trend?"
 
I come from Zero Hedge, where we value our anonimity. It allows us to speak our minds without concern for the possible implications to both our personal life and our professional life. 
I agreed to come aboard on the condition that  Autumn protect my identity.
 
Looking like a red herring with an illustrious Turkish name does not mean I am not being my real self here. Quite the opposite, you will get the real unadulterated me.
 
Mustafa
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 29, 2018 - 12:48am
One of the more absurd things about American neonazis is that they are religious and still fawn Hitler. Even Tom's quote with 'intoxication' speaks of contempt for Christianity. He goes on to say that he left this childishness for politics. It is also clear that the adult Hitler hated the faith itself not just some institution.
Flying Junior Added Apr 29, 2018 - 1:40am
James,
 
That is the single dumbest thing I have ever read on the WB.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Apr 29, 2018 - 1:56am
Flying Junior: I place Travil in the coo coo corner. Even Doug makes more sense to me.
Dave Volek Added Apr 29, 2018 - 2:34am
Just a little rain on a lot of WBers' parade: I did not find the commentary of PL and RO that offensive. I won't say that I agreed with them, but they have a right to their opinion. If they are deleting comments to their articles, I guess that is their choice--and Autumn's decision to let them. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 29, 2018 - 3:30am
 If they are deleting comments to their articles, I guess that is their choice--and Autumn's decision to let them. 
 
So we agree Volek. As you likely noticed I a addressed that in the comments above. 
 
I further added, as you likely also noticed, that is contemptable behavior to delete comments and with the exception of you and one or two others held in low esteem. 
 
Thanks for stopping by.
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 29, 2018 - 5:00am
Dave
 
Such propaganda jokers should, IF they delete comments, at least explain WHY they delete a comment. That's only fairness. If not, they are clearly NOT interested in a discussion or debate, but simply in spreading their propaganda.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 29, 2018 - 5:02am
Ben / FJ
 
I place Travil in the coo coo corner. Even Doug makes more sense to me.
 
Could it be that you guys don't understand his arguments or are you just generally against people who have another opinion ?
Kurt Bresler Added Apr 29, 2018 - 5:29am
Deleting comments is just a shorthand form of Freedom of Speech it is a little action past saying, GTFOH
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 29, 2018 - 5:42am
it is a little action past saying, GTFOH
 
Thanks for stopping by Kurt. Off you go now, mind the gap between train and platform. BuhbBUH.
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 29, 2018 - 5:55am
Kurt
 
Would you please introduce yourself to the community ? If not FYT.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 29, 2018 - 5:57am
Michael B. Added Apr 29, 2018 - 8:13am
I never have, and never will give a fuck about someone deleting my comments; it usually means I scored a direct hit on them. The latest CDC (Comment-Deleting-Cunt) is a perfect example. If this scabby-assed sperm-spittoon only knew me a year ago, lol.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 29, 2018 - 8:48am
I don't think that people who publish and article actually own the article - they put it into the public domain. They do not have the right to censor content based comments or strive to maintain on topic comments. If someone does an insult, unless incredibly funny, ie an insult with no content, ie "you are an idiot" - if you censor that then you are not censoring content. If you censor something that is just funny and nothing else then you are censoring content.
Bill Kamps Added Apr 29, 2018 - 9:00am
I dont see a need for censorship here.  If we disagree with someone we have options.   We can voice our disagreement or we can ignore them.  What others say, hurts me not in the slightest. 
 
I would prefer people did not engage in personal attacks, but people being people I know for many that is what they do.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 29, 2018 - 9:16am
it usually means I scored a direct hit on them. 
 
Yep. 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 29, 2018 - 9:18am
I dont see a need for censorship here
 
Thanks Bill for your usual reasoned comment. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 29, 2018 - 9:22am
They do not have the right to censor content based comments
 
Thanks Doug, I'd say they have the right but to do so is bad form.
Kurt Bresler Added Apr 29, 2018 - 9:44am
Since I have a valid form of censorship.. not to listen.  How do I turn off following this article?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 29, 2018 - 9:46am
@ Kurt Bresler:
Look at the top of the article, click “unsubscribe.”
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 29, 2018 - 10:12am
How do I turn off following this article?
 
Yep Kurt, Jeffrey steered you straight. 
 
Thanks Jeffrey.
 
Kurt Bresler Added Apr 29, 2018 - 10:15am
That was kind of you Jeffrey,  glad you were not offended... where is the thumbs down button, lol
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 29, 2018 - 10:22am
where is the thumbs down button, lol
 
I'm going to like you Kurt I can see that already.
 
Autumn in her wisdom chose not to provide a thumbs down button. I believe some time back she explained that she preferred writers wrote why they didn't like something.
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 29, 2018 - 11:56am
Welcome to WB Kurt. Here warm clothes are needed LOL
Bill Kamps Added Apr 29, 2018 - 12:03pm
I did not find the commentary of PL and RO that offensive.
 
This is kind of the whole point.  We all object to different things.
 
I strongly object to name calling, and personal attacks.  I never do it, and I dont like when it is done to anyone else.  However, I wouldnt use this to encourage censorship because then we have a mess on our hands and things I WANT to see, will be deleted.
 
While I oppose deleting comments and articles, in the end it is Autumn's website, so she can do what she wishes, and we can choose to be here or not. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 29, 2018 - 8:33pm
I wouldnt use this to encourage censorship because then we have a mess on our hands and things I WANT to see, will be deleted.
 
Again reasoned and reasonable. Thanks Bill.
 
Katharine Otto Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:35pm
Jeffry,
After writing the above, I realized there are some people with aliases here whom I follow and enjoy.  However, if someone deletes my well-thought-out comments, I usually don't visit that site again.  If I take the time to read and comment, it is a compliment, even if I disagree with the author.
 
I agree with Bill Kamps, above.  I don't like the personal attacks, either, although they can sometimes be funny.  It seems to diminish a person's credibility in other areas, though.
Ari Silverstein Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:36pm
I read Red October’s article and thought it was excellent.  I also saw no evidence of him censoring.  In addition, he took the time to reply to each of his commenters.  I also read Proclaim Liberty’s efforts to be responsive to most of his commenters.  The fact both of these authors chose not engage you in discussion says a lot more about your poor behavior than anything else.  I would also add that while I’ll never delete comments, I can appreciate the desire to administer a comment thread free of insults and foul language.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:40pm
However, if someone deletes my well-thought-out comments, I usually don't visit that site again. 
 
Indeed. That is a reasonable result. One I practice as well.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:46pm
The fact both of these authors chose not engage you in discussion says a lot more about your poor behavior than anything else
 
My my, you have had a bug up your ass Ari for some time about me. That's fine. I'm sure your dislike for me comforts you. I can't say I dislike you because that would mean I'd have to care. I don't. Off you go now, mind the gap between train and platform. BUH-Bye.
Tamara Wilhite Added Apr 30, 2018 - 4:43pm
A few more good quotes:
 
Freedom of expression must include the license to offend. - Christopher Hitchens
 
The speech some hate is magically presented as hate speech; dissenting intellectual positions become mental conditions; and contrary opinions are delegitimised – after all, there’s no need to argue with a mad man or woman. This is censorship by way of intellectual pathology.  - Ben Shapiro
 
Note: This is why we should not accept "hate speech" labels as a basis for censorship - liberals already say they're love so everyone else's speech is "hate" speech.
 
People have two ways to persuade others - speech and violence. When you deny them the ability to speak, all they have left is violence - and you don't want that. So let them speak. - Dr. Jordan Peterson.
James Travil Added Apr 30, 2018 - 7:09pm
"I read Red October’s article and thought it was excellent. "
Of course you would Ari. Most fascists enjoy the works of other fascists, no surprise there. 
James Travil Added Apr 30, 2018 - 7:14pm
"The speech some hate is magically presented as hate speech; dissenting intellectual positions become mental conditions; and contrary opinions are delegitimised – after all, there’s no need to argue with a mad man or woman. This is censorship by way of intellectual pathology.  - Ben Shapiro
 
That's kind of how any crime I hate is (to me) a hate crime. Afterall I hated it! (*sarcasm*) 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Apr 30, 2018 - 8:50pm
I think Shapiro is a tool.  His crap keeps showing up in my Facebook feed no matter how many times I get rid of it.
Shane Laing Added May 4, 2018 - 1:08pm
As you all know I am not a great writer but I do enjoy reading everyone's posts and making the odd contribution. I doff my cap to you all, I may not agree with you but I admire your passion and censorship would just temper it.
Jeffry Gilbert Added May 4, 2018 - 11:27pm
I admire your passion and censorship would just temper it.
 
Thanks Shane. Good to see you. Thanks for adding to the discussion.
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added May 6, 2018 - 12:11pm
@Bill.  "Agreed Jeffry-
Censorship is a prime ingredient of enabling dictatorships. We are beginning to see the testing of our system and an evolving experiment in the introduction of censorship presently here in the US. The one's responsible know how easy it is to manipulate the masses as we have witnessed with the near elimination of privacy and the collection and distribution of personal data without question or concern by the people."
 
Yes, indeed. But Cambridge Analytics went out of business. FB is not suffering the same fate because it does not charge the masses fees. The fees are generated from the selling of data. We will see how censorship started by Obama peters out. FB was a wild west, and the day I see some more colorful characters disappeared vis censorship, then that is a signal to bail.

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