Dissolve the U.N.

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In the classic 1966 film Batman, all of the usual supervillains join forces in order to kidnap the Security Council of "The United World" by turning them into dehydrated and dessicated piles of dust, all different colors of course. The comedic supervillains are successful at doing this while the delegates are busy screaming at each other and shouting each other down. Unfortunately for the world, the costumed and campy criminals are defeated, and the dildonic diplomats are re-hydrated back into their vociferous, vituperative, and horrible selves without missing a single beat.

 

The U.N. is modeled on its immediate predecessor, the League of Nations. Much like the League, the U.N. was formed during a World War in order to prevent another one, and we all know how that worked out. It's nothing more than a giant chamber where people can scream at and slander each other openly and secretly. We may as well reduce it to an Internet chat room and save billions. I've read better ideas from people right here on WB than anything that ever emanated from the U.N. The U.N. is a total, complete, and absolute failure, and I cannot think of a single instance where it did anything good in its entire existence.

 

For those out there who advocate a "world government", all one needs to do is to study the U.N.'s record. If the U.N. has made any significant achievements in its entire history, someone please let me know. Otherwise, it needs to be dismantled and scrapped in its entirety. I'll throw in NATO while I'm at it, although NATO at least had a semblance of accomplishing its mission. NATO should have been dissolved the same day as the Warsaw Pact, but look at it now! Growing, growing, and growing, which increases, increases, and increases the chance for war. NATO has among its members countries who are never too far away from going to war among themselves, which isn't the sign of a sound alliance. Dissolve them all!!!

Comments

George N Romey Added Apr 29, 2018 - 10:06am
World government only works for the top elite class. The U.N. good idea in its inception but it doesn’t work.
Michael B. Added Apr 29, 2018 - 10:10am
George, I'd say that the U.N. was a bad idea that was poorly executed.
Leroy Added Apr 29, 2018 - 10:16am
Amen!
 
The UN has done far more harm than good.  Like you, Michael, I can't think of anything good that it has done.
 
Once we started including countries like Turkey, NATO became a useless organization and may lead to the next world war.
Michael B. Added Apr 29, 2018 - 10:23am
Yes Leroy, Turkey was foremost in my mind when I mentioned "enemies" within NATO. However, as Turkey is a major customer of U.S. arms, they'll always be welcome with open arms, no pun intended.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 29, 2018 - 10:26am
The U.N. is a total, complete, and absolute failure
 
Indeed its those very things Michael. I would add farce to the list.
 
Michael B. Added Apr 29, 2018 - 10:38am
Speaking of farce, here are some witticisms, and observations about the U.N. I've gathered:
 
Efforts to diffuse the Mideast showdown are a perennial act at the United Nations, because no one can agree on whose falafel balls are the tastiest.
 
As far as the United Nations bureaucrats and political windbags are concerned, when it comes to Mideast Peace, Process is better than Resolution.
 
The easiest way to solve the Mideast Peace Process is to vacate the entire Middle East of human beings, but then what would diplomats grandstand about every time they meet at the U.N.?
 
The U.N. is a like a donut - a big hole in it.
 
The city bus does not discriminate. It's like a little U.N. meeting on wheels every time we get on it. We all walk through the same door and pay the same price, regardless of our race, our culture or our religion. On the bus, we are all losers.
 
Dino Manalis Added Apr 29, 2018 - 11:27am
We created the U.N., there are lots of problems with it, but it does a lot of humanitarian work worldwide.  We should try to repair it as much as possible.  The U.N. is democratic, it has no choice but to listen, especially to countries that fund it most.
Michael B. Added Apr 29, 2018 - 11:34am
The U.N. is nothing more than an impotent debating society. Its resolutions are a sick and pathetic joke. How is it that countries subject to what would appear to be severe economic sanctions and arms embargoes always seem to be awash in arms and ammunition? Easy, because as long as the arms merchants are awash in cash, there will always be a vibrant arms industry, as there is never ANY shortage of people with money who want to use them on somebody, usually their next-door neighbors.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 29, 2018 - 11:53am
Michael
 
Fully agree. It's a bad soap opera.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 29, 2018 - 12:43pm
The UN was created to fail and make a mess out of everything. Communism doesn't work, its proponents know it and its a weapon.
Gerrilea Added Apr 29, 2018 - 1:29pm
Michael B-- Finally something that interests me and I agree with.
 
Thanks for the article.
 
Dino M--- The "humanitarian aid" of vaccinations designed to sterilize goes hand-in-hand with the crimes of it's IMF & World Bank.
 
The false platitudes belie the crimes they've committed throughout the world. Their policies are in a word, genocidal.
 
No thanks Dino, the UN and its henchmen must be dissolved and the perpetrators prosecuted for Crimes Against Humanity.
 
opher goodwin Added Apr 29, 2018 - 2:59pm
Well I think that clearly demonstrates the intellectual standard on display when one has to refer to Batman as your philosophical basis.
Without a global perspective we are being taken for a ride by the multinationals, wars rage, inequality becomes grotesque, poverty kills millions, forests are cut down, there are mass extinctions, unchecked massive pollution, nuclear proliferation, mass migration, terrorism, criminals laughing behind you back as they hoard away their loot, slavery, exploitation, globalised sweat shops, indiscriminate genetic experiments, human rights violations, misogyny on a grand scale, corruption and environmental destruction.
But hey - that's OK. You're safe in the USA (diminishing by the minute) and you can just call in Batman, Robin and Superman. It'll be alright.
I wonder when the USA is playing second fiddle to the likes of China and Russia whether you'll be saying the same thing?
The UN needs bolstering up and making democratic and effective. The small countries need a voice. Without a global perspective we haven't got a hope.
Michael B. Added Apr 29, 2018 - 4:46pm
@ Gerrilea - Thanks....I think, lol.
Michael B. Added Apr 29, 2018 - 4:47pm
Gopher Badlose, I mean Opher Goodwin, I like how your true Limey, crumpet-nibbling arrogance comes out. And what kind of intellectual standard and philosophical basis should I be at there, Comrade Goodwin? I thought using analogies and metaphors in order to get your point across or tell your story better were good things, but being the PC Limey dumbass and total SUCKER that you are, I shouldn't expect anything less from your sorry fish-and-chip-fed ass. I call you Gopher because you are so beneath contempt, you are subterranean, much like a gopher! Doesn't it bother you even slightly that all of those things have taken place while the U.N. takes the taxpayers, chiefly AMERICAN taxpayers, for a ride. You fucking Limeys can't even be joined with your own neighbors ("Brexit"), so who the fuck are you to tell me about being part of an "international community". I hope you get severely beaten by Italians at the next soccer riot, oh, so sorry, football riot! Also, fuck John Lennon! LOL
opher goodwin Added Apr 29, 2018 - 6:54pm
Michael - the standard of you literary achievement matches the intellect of your mind. It is an honour to be the opposite of anything you subscribe to. Is that really the best you can do Gopher Badlose - I mean - that is pretty juvenile. I've had better that from Year 7 students. Limey, crumpet-nibbling, fish-and-chip ass - as far as insults go it's pretty limited. 
I presume it is the paucity of any intelligent ideas that results in the sort of response I'd encounter from a crackhead lying in the gutter with his head up his own ass. Quite a feat.
I see that there is no attempt to address the issues. Just more hot air from someone who lacks the ability to think. Did you ever go to school?
I suggest you connect your brain cell up and try to think of a coherent answer to the global problems I listed because the UN is only intelligent answer. But then I did say intelligent answer and you'd have difficulty with that.
Try laying off the dope and alcohol. It's really fucked you up.
Have a nice day.
TexasLynn Added Apr 29, 2018 - 7:50pm
Michael B.,
Right on concerning the United Nations.  If it ever provided a useful function, we're well past that point now.  It's just a club dedicated to $%&$ing U.S. interest.  When tyrants, socialist, and their %$#&hole countries have as much influence as they do it's time for us to disassociate ourselves from the whole mess.
 
I would encourage the U.S. to do the following (in this order) ...
 
Dissolve the organization altogether.
 
Failing that... Remove ourselves from the United Nations (and thus expel them from our soil).
 
Failing that... Defund them (as a simple exercise in cost/benefit)
 
Failing that... Reduce our funding to proportional to our representation (time for others to pony up)
 
Failing that... Eliminate diplomatic immunity for U.N. members as much as possible.  One person per nation.
 
Failing that... Bend over and keep getting $%&$ed by this bunch of degenerates (the status quo)
Gerrilea Added Apr 29, 2018 - 8:50pm
Michael B-- Yes I was giving you a compliment.
 
Opher G-- Are you trying to say that without the UN or similar we'd have the issues you listed?
 
"...Without a global perspective we are being taken for a ride by the multinationals..."
 
And you call Michael B an idiot?
 
Bwahahahahahahahhahahhahahaha!
 
The UN is how the multinationals enforce their raping and pillaging. The IMF & World Bank, UN creations, have forced billions into an economic occupation designed to enslave us all.  The US is just their "muscle".  Like all good crime syndicates, you need force to instill fear and punish those whom won't play the game.
 
The UN was never anything more than few wealthy elite playing the game of Monopoly.
 
Here, catch up with the rest of us.
 
Naomi Klein, "Shock Doctrine".
  Her 2009 Documentary
 
John Perkins, "Confessions of An Economic Hitman".
 An interview with John Perkins.
 
Flying Junior Added Apr 30, 2018 - 1:49am
Normally I would defer to your greater knowledge and experience in all things military.
 
But I must beg to correct you, friend Michael B. on one small detail.
 
The United Nations was not chartered until 1945.  But the conception was in 1941.  It was a coalition of 53 nations that banded together in an alliance to defeat the Axis Powers.  Thus was born the United Nations.  To defeat Germany, Japan and Italy.
 
No one dare dispute my truth.
 
The stated missions of the original United Nations as expressed in the six organs applied to every war-torn and devastated or otherwise impoverished nation on the face of the earth.  The mission was not to prevent another World War.  The mission was to repair and ameliorate the damage of the second World War.
 
As far as the 1945 Charter co-written by the allies, I doubt that many of you have ever laid eyes on it.  It is very probably the most beautiful international doctrine of policy and mission ever written.
 
Although it is readily available for your perusal, it is but the constitution of the U.N.  It says nothing about the stated and agreed upon missions.
 
I read every word of the charter as well as the stated missions of the allied nations in a very small booklet published in 1946.  I wish I could find this information for you on-line.  The Great Gazoogol is stymied.  There were provisions for every war-torn and impoverished nation on the face of the earth.  There were provisions for agricultural assistance.  Every corner of the earth.
 
I no longer own this informative publication. 
 
But choose for yourselves.  Throw in with the joker, Trump.  The biggest insult ever uttered by the Shrub, Josh Bolton.  Or join the rest of the civilized world.
 
BTW.  The Batman movie is hilarious.  But it was just satire.  Not a manifesto.
Flying Junior Added Apr 30, 2018 - 1:51am
Here is the charter, for what it is worth.
 
https://treaties.un.org/doc/publication/ctc/uncharter.pdf
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:07am
Revoke diplomatic credentials and deport their staff. Raze the site and have the Trump Organization develop the property so nothing as obnoxious as a UN can ever take root there again. 
Flying Junior Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:31am
Trump is like Jesus.  We won't have him forever.
 
What will we do when his benevolent dictatorship ends with his untimely death?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:45am
What will we do when his benevolent dictatorship ends with his untimely death?
 
You'll jump up and down with glee. Meanwhile don't be surprised if the Feral Baby Incinerators you adore stop by to have a chat with you. 
 
Have a great day.
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:46am
Trump is like Jesus.  We won't have him forever.
 
I knew you couldn't resist. 
Neil Lock Added Apr 30, 2018 - 3:42am
In my view, Michael, the UN is worse than a failure. Would that it were as impotent as you think! The UN is the organization that has been driving, for more than 30 years, the green agenda that is impoverishing us all and threatening the survival of our industrial civilization. The only half way decent thing they even tried to do was the Declaration of Human Rights, and about a third of that is total crap.
Flying Junior Added Apr 30, 2018 - 4:07am
Well, who needs your point-of-view?
 
UNICEF was established on 11 December 1946 by the United Nations to meet the emergency needs of children in post-war Europe and China.  Its full name was the United Nations International Children's Emergency Fund.  In 1950, its mandate was broadened to address the long-term needs of children and women in developing countries everywhere.  UNICEF became a permanent part of the United Nations system in 1953, when its name was shortened to the United Nations Children's Fund.  However, UNICEF retained its original acronym.


The State of Food Security and Nutrition in the World 2017
 
https://www.unicef.org/publications/index_100818.html
 
Maybe you don't care about food security for anyone else other than your immediate family.
David Montaigne Added Apr 30, 2018 - 6:08am
I believe the UN was set up with the best of intentions.  But having the USA pay a huge share only to see the UN function largely as an anti-American mouthpiece is no longer useful... for the USA.  Having nations like Saudi Arabia head commissions on things like Human Rights is a sick joke that shows how little anyone involved genuinely cares.
Dave Volek Added Apr 30, 2018 - 6:39am
I'm all for the UN. It has its problems, and much of those problems are rooted in that five countries have a veto in the decision making. 
 
I like the forum that gets diplomats talking rather than armies fighting. We may not like some of the dithering the UN seems to portray, but sometimes dithering is better than direct action. One case is the invasion of Russia into Crimea and Eastern Ukraine (and after the Russian puppet as the Ukrainian president was run out of town). Had the UN not been there, the Russians probably would have over run the entire countries. With the UN, Russia realized it had crossed a boundary and should stop where it was. 
 
With diplomats talking, we are getting an exchange of values--and hopefully we will come to some common position of what world values should be. Recently, Saudi Arabia allowed women to drive. Somehow this man-dominated country has relented in this one small step. The world is being changed.  
 
 
 
Doug Plumb Added Apr 30, 2018 - 6:39am
Like perhaps the stereotypical child molester, the UN is good sometimes. It is also impotent with key nations being able to vote down UN resolutions, these are nations like Russia, China, USA, etc. Seven in total I think.
The USA, being Israel's bitch, votes down resolutions against Israeli activity and illegal actions regularly.
These globalists are often bold face liars, twisting the words of the master philosopher, Kant, in his book regarding international law. Kant said that an international law would evolve, its a necessary part of evolution. Lefties say Kant would be in favour of the UN and argued for it in their "intellectual" circles.
Also see Fearful Master: A Second Look At The UN. G. E Griffin (YouTube) Perkins also has some stuff on the tube, mentioned by Gerrilea above.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 30, 2018 - 6:41am
Rockefeller donated the 8 million dollar piece of land for them to build this monstrosity of human depravity on.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 30, 2018 - 6:43am
Gerrilea, Naomi is limited hangout.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 30, 2018 - 6:45am
re Michael B re "Gopher Badlose, I mean Opher Goodwin, I like how your true Limey, crumpet-nibbling arrogance comes out. And what kind of intellectual standard and philosophical basis should I be at there, Comrade Goodwin?"
 
I don 't know if its hubris or a child like innocence that makes him say the things he does. He seems well meaning, but so did Ted Bundy.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 30, 2018 - 6:46am
re "Well I think that clearly demonstrates the intellectual standard on display when one has to refer to Batman as your philosophical basis."
 
Batman is better than Karl Marx.
Doug Plumb Added Apr 30, 2018 - 6:48am
re "Did you ever go to school?" Did you Opher? What did you study? Who are the wise men you have studied?
Michael B. Added Apr 30, 2018 - 8:36am
@ Gopher - Once again, your comical arrogance and simpering stupidity manifests itself thoroughly. Get back down in your dirty hole and shut the fuck up. Thanks for inspiring me though, as I think John Lennon is going to be my next "target"...speaking of whom, did you hear about the new John Lennon bar? The first six shots are FREE!!! LOFL!!!
Michael B. Added Apr 30, 2018 - 8:36am

@ Gerrilea - Thanks again, just checking, lol.
Michael B. Added Apr 30, 2018 - 8:36am
@ FJ - That doesn't change things one bit, but thank you for contributing.
Michael B. Added Apr 30, 2018 - 8:37am
@ Captain Gilbert - Revoke diplomatic credentials and deport their staff. Raze the site and have the Trump Organization develop the property so nothing as obnoxious as a UN can ever take root there again.
 
LOOOOOOOOL!!!!! Best idea yet!!!!
Michael B. Added Apr 30, 2018 - 8:37am
@ Neil Lock - Thank you Neil. No matter how one cuts it, failure is the operative word.
Michael B. Added Apr 30, 2018 - 8:37am
@ Dave M. - Exactly!!! You pefectly encapsulated what is wrong with the U.N.! It's like paying some asshole off the street to verbally abuse you, steal your car, and rape your wife. Die U.N., die!!!!
Michael B. Added Apr 30, 2018 - 8:37am
@ Dave V. - Agreed, the permanent members always have been, and always will be, nothing more than the top pimps, and the rest of the world are the hoes.
Michael B. Added Apr 30, 2018 - 8:38am
@ Doug. - re "Did you ever go to school?" Did you Opher? What did you study? Who are the wise men you have studied?
 
It's obvious who Gopher the fudge-packer studied. Marx, Lenin, and Lennon, three of the biggest assholes in history, lol.
 
Doug Plumb Added Apr 30, 2018 - 9:55am
re "Marx, Lenin, and Lennon, three of the biggest assholes in history, lol."
 
Agreed, but I'm not sure about Lenin. I read his Great Ideas little Penguin book. Very hard read, economics. He was just being descriptive of reality, not prescriptive. He and Stalin(but not as much) were both prolific in their writings but the basis for their philosophy, the German Ideology (Marx) can be shown to be faulty, but not to those who do not understand Christian thought. I've never read Stalin.
   
Doug Plumb Added Apr 30, 2018 - 9:56am
Opher, are you a True Believer or a Fellow Traveller?
Gerrilea Added Apr 30, 2018 - 10:14am
Flying J-- Have you ever read a history book?
 
 
"The United Nations was not chartered until 1945.  But the conception was in 1941.  It was a coalition of 53 nations that banded together in an alliance to defeat the Axis Powers.  Thus was born the United Nations.  To defeat Germany, Japan and Italy."
 
 
Clearly from this statement, you have not. Where are you getting your information from? The back of a cereal box?  The first "world organization" was the League of Nations, in 1920.
 
 
It was the first international organisation whose principal mission was to maintain world peace.[1] Its primary goals, as stated in its Covenant, included preventing wars through collective security and disarmament and settling international disputes through negotiation and arbitration.[2]
 
 
NATO became the "muscle" of the UN and slowly but surely the US became the biggest "contributor" to NATO. Advancing the interests of the corporate elite for the US, France and Great Britain.
 
The IMF & World Bank, destroyed "Food Security & Nutrition".  Your link is meaningless. 
 
"IMF-World Bank structural adjustment programs (SAPs) are designed to reduce consumption in developing countries and to redirect resources to manufacturing exports for the repayment of debt. This has caused overproduction of primary products and a precipitous fall in their prices. It has also led to the devastation of traditional agriculture and to the emergence of hordes of landless farmers in virtually every country in which the World Bank and IMF operate. Food security has declined dramatically in all Third World regions, but in Africa in particular. Growing dependence on food imports, which is the lot of sub-Saharan Africa, places these countries in an extremely vulnerable position. They simply do not have the foreign exchange to import enough food, given the fall in export prices and the need to repay debt."
 
Read the whole report linked & quoted above and you'll understand how your "precious" is guilty of Crimes Against Humanity.
 
Dave V-- So it's your claims the Russians controlled the Ukraine and it was a good thing that WE overthrew their DEMOCRATICALLY elected government and installed Neo-Nazi's.
 
Got it! Ugh....
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 30, 2018 - 11:45am
Gerrilea
 
Thanks.
Katharine Otto Added Apr 30, 2018 - 12:58pm
Michael B.,
I agree, but the UN is too entrenched to be obliterated that easily.  Unfortunately, too many people believe a world government would be an improvement over all the bad governments we have now.  If we could find just one good government, to use as an example, maybe the notion of expanding it would have some merit.
 
Gerrilea,
Thank you for your knowledge and for providing the facts to support what I also believe.  The World Bank and the IMF seem determined to cripple everyone in the world to make them dependent on debt-backed banker "help" to survive.
 
Opher,
Has the UN solved the numerous problems you list?  What makes you think extended power would make them more effective?  So-called "UN Peacekeepers" apparently restore peace by killing those who get in their way.  You seem to have the fantasy that making bad bigger will make it better.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 30, 2018 - 1:14pm
Katharine
 
The World Bank and the IMF seem determined to cripple everyone in the world to make them dependent on debt-backed banker "help" to survive.
 
That's a fact. It would take too much space here to explain what exactly happens in Africa. But people there KNOW that but can't help it.
opher goodwin Added Apr 30, 2018 - 1:17pm
Katharine - I think the UN has made a difference on a number of issues. As Churchill said - 'Better Jaw Jaw than War War'. 
It should have done a lot more in a lot of areas but has been hamstrung by vetoes.
It needs an overhaul, democratising, sorting so it can't become a tyranny and funding properly.
I have not heard anyone suggesting any other way we can deal with all those global issues that are not working properly at the moment. Nobody is admitting how bad it really is at present. Unless we get a check on what is going on the planet will be wrecked. 
The UN is the last hope - unless you've got another solution - because going on as we are is a disaster.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Apr 30, 2018 - 1:27pm
Nobody is admitting how bad it really is at present.
 
Yes many of us are you just don't respect our voices. 
 
The UN is the last hope
 
Then we're worse off than you think.
 
You always make statements as though the dream world you live in is reality. You're not alone, many of your ilk are the same. THAT'S why the planet is so fucked up. 
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 30, 2018 - 1:57pm
Oph
 
The UN is no more than a corrupt club of Western countries. Or, how do you explain that a "security council" (attack council) is made up in the majority of NATO countries ? The rest of approx. 190 countries have nada to say. The IMF, The World Bank, the Bilderberg Group, the WWF in Davos ? A bunch of ego crooks that keep on exploiting the rest of the world, by not even respecting the UN charta. Especially the US regime.
 
And that's UNITED NATIONS ? Bullshit. It's a ruthless business club, that's all.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:00pm
BTW: A really fair and honest UN is an illusion. Why ? Because money and power corrupt. We're animals, and the stronger commands. The rest is façade.
Flying Junior Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:28pm
Gerrilea,
 
It wasn't in a history book.  It was the original publication of the charter, organs and missions of the first meeting of the United Nations, January 10, 1946.  It was a historical document.  I wish I still had it.  I am relying on my memory for the number of nations that allied together to defeat the Axis powers.  53 my be incorrect.  But if it is, it is damn close.
 
The first five nations that formed the alliance were Great Britain, the Soviet Union, France, the U.S.A. and China.  The U.S.A. joined the alliance December 8, 1941.  Here are two resources which are available to clarify what I am talking about.
 
This article by britannica.com describes wartime members of the United Nations, the signatories to the Declaration of the United Nations.  These formed the Allied Powers, the basis for the United Nations of today.
 
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Allied-Powers-international-alliance
 
In World War II the chief Allied powers were Great Britain, France (except during the German occupation, 1940–44), the Soviet Union (after its entry in June 1941), the United States (after its entry on December 8, 1941), and China. More generally, the Allies included all the wartime members of the United Nations, the signatories to the Declaration of the United Nations. The original signers of January 1, 1942, were Australia, Belgium, Canada, China, Costa Rica, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, India, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Poland, South Africa, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, the United States, and Yugoslavia. Subsequent wartime signers were (in chronological order) Mexico, the Philippines, Ethiopia, Iraq, Brazil, Bolivia, Iran, Colombia, Liberia, France, Ecuador, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, Venezuela, Uruguay, Turkey, Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon.
 
I count forty-eight signatories.  All war-time members of the alliance.
 
This is the story of the first meeting of the United Nations in San Francisco after the war ended.
 
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/first-meeting-of-the-united-nations
 
I guess that you don't dispute that part of my statement.
 
Michael B.
 
I was just trying to add to the discussion.  I'm not interested in arguing the about the value of the United Nations.  I can't let these RW crazies get me riled.
Stone-Eater Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:31pm
FJ
 
In German we say:
 
Papier ist geduldig......
Flying Junior Added Apr 30, 2018 - 2:50pm
Interesting.  Maybe after my first cup of tea...
Dave Volek Added Apr 30, 2018 - 3:25pm
Gerilla
 
Dave V-- So it's your claims the Russians controlled the Ukraine and it was a good thing that WE overthrew their DEMOCRATICALLY elected government and installed Neo-Nazi's.
 
That's not the point I was trying to make, but the regime that got thrown out was definitely pro-Russia--and probably siphoning a lot of wealth back to Russia. The 2013 revolt did not happen out of thin air.
 
The point I was trying to make that without the pressure emanating from the UN, Russia would have likely re-taken Ukraine as another vassal province, using the ouster of Yanukovych as a pretext for the invasion. The west would have been powerless to stop this takeover. Yet all the diplomatic haranguing at the UN kind of put a halt to the expansion.
 
We could argue whether Ukraine is indeed better as a Russian province or an independent country. But that's for another article which you might be interested in writing.
 
 
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Apr 30, 2018 - 3:58pm
Dave
 
Russia would have likely re-taken Ukraine as another vassal province
 
The EU (through NATO) is a large US vassal province. Don't forget that. When the US orders us to take sanctions against Russia which damage European businesses, we simply accept and nod. Don't forget that LOL
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Apr 30, 2018 - 5:28pm
Just defund the UN and force them to move to North Korea or Cuba where the politics fits better. 
Neil Lock Added Apr 30, 2018 - 5:35pm
Dave: We could argue whether Ukraine is indeed better as a Russian province or an independent country.
 
Well, that depends who you are, doesn't it? I've been to Ukraine four times in the last couple of years, and I have friends there. Including some Crimean Tatars - the (Muslim) people native to that part of the world. They were invaded by Soviet settlement (ordered by Stalin) in the 1930s, then deported in 1944. Khrushchev allowed the survivors to go back around 1957. Tatar people I know (they're freedom activists!) have felt a need to move out of Crimea and into Ukraine.
 
If Russia were to take over Ukraine, what chance would these people have? Actually, the Tatars who stay in Crimea don't have a chance either way. They are a minority in their own land.
 
How would your TDG help these people, Dave?
Dave Volek Added Apr 30, 2018 - 6:42pm
Stone
The amazing part of this "Russian sanction" stuff is that Europe will not put oil and gas on that list. Europe could freeze quick without that stuff. And the Russian economy could stumble quickly without western $$$$$ coming in. Then Western banks wouldn't get deposits from Russian oligarchs, limiting the banks loaning opportunities. This gets so damned confusing.
 
 
Dave Volek Added Apr 30, 2018 - 6:53pm
Neil
I haven't heard about the plight of the Crimean Tatars lately. It seems the economy of Crimea has not reached the levels of when it was part of Ukraine. Tatars may be leaving Crimea for lack of economic opportunities.
 
Under Ukrainian stewardship, the Tarters were fairly politically active, getting some state help to better their communities. I'm not sure what is happening under the Russians. Again, is it economic or outright discrimination.
 
Russia has lots of non-Russian enclaves throughout the country. I'm pretty sure the Russians have figured out some kind of balance to deal with those communities.
 
Under the TDG, there would be no political parties. So it would be hard to muster up some kind of "Russian-first" electoral victory. As the Tartars have their own communities where they are the majority. So they will be electing their own people into government, and not just playing an activist role.
 
 
John Minehan Added Apr 30, 2018 - 7:27pm
I have read that one reason for the UN was to give FDR something to do when he left office. 
 
I'm not sure if that was true or intended seriously, but it did end up in NYC and not San Francisco and was a more manageable commute form Dutchess County. 
Michael B. Added Apr 30, 2018 - 9:08pm
Wow! It looks like I touched a nerve here! Thank you all for your valuable comments! I'm obviously far from alone in my attitude toward the U.N., but I admire how all of you more than augmented and supplemented it, even though many of the reasons were very different from mine. As far as the idealists go, this quote from H.L Mencken sums them all up:
 
"An idealist is someone who feels that because a rose smells better than a cabbage, it must be more nourishing."
Stone-Eater Added May 1, 2018 - 4:28am
Michael
 
An idealist is someone who forgets about roses and tries to plant cabbage in order to feed all the world's hungry although he knows it's not possible LOL
Dr. Rupert Green Added May 6, 2018 - 5:34pm
If you agree to kill the UN, would you accept the killing of all sporting events in the world? Did sport not take over from the actual bloodletting of wars, where balls are clutched and thrown instead of being sliced off and presented to the rulers as proof of kills?  Who was the name of the Egyptian general who presented 8000+ balls as proof of his conquest? So, let the UN live and the men continue their " vociferous, vituperative, and horrible selves" and not engage in wars, knowing what they have to lose. Still, I hate it being a shrill for America and a kafir boy for Israel.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 7, 2018 - 12:58pm
The UN  is a  tenuous political organization whose voting structure favors third world countries and has too much veto power spread around the Security Council. It is functionally useless.