Our ‘Right-Wing Side’ holds us back!

Our ‘Right-Wing Side’ holds us back!
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All humans are genetically wired to have both right and left personality tendencies. Regardless of the pack which you may associate yourself with, we all have an inquisitive side and a survival mode.

And we are all more alike than most realize. Those of us who have worked with people from different ethnic/religious backgrounds, come to understand that we all just want to live in peace and provide for our families. (and have a little fun along the way)

So why does the human species create so much conflict, which only leads to more pain and suffering? And is there hope for a better, more tranquil existence?

 

Fear is the trigger for survival mode. We cannot help the feelings evoked when danger is sensed. The problem is the deep emotions evoked, overrides the logical part of our brain. We react, sometimes angrily, before thinking the situation through. ‘Do not engage mouth until brain is in gear’, is advice that is far easier given then heeded.

The reason this tendency is hard wired into us, is because 100,000 years ago when our species was prey, a rustle in the bushes caused our brain to release chemicals (for fight or flight) and today that same release happens. Only the fears evoked are not life or death, but we react as if they are. Our thoughts play out mind movies of worst case scenarios, and we get stressed out and paranoid.  

 

Now we add in our human pack mentality. The tendency to herd or hang around with people we feel safe with, and again, all hard wired from our evolutionary past. The main objective of the herd is survival, and that usually means fighting the enemy who is going to take our food.

 

So logically looking at how human history has unfolded to date, it seems there is no hope for humans. Ultimately, we will all kill ourselves off, it is just a matter of time.

But, we do have hope, because of the curious side of our brain. Speaking of hope, it is this aspect of human nature which causes us to be creative and find solutions, when all seems lost. It lifts us away from the pack mentality/group think survival mode of ‘shoot first and ask questions later’.  

 

We do need to resist the urge to instantly be afraid of the unknown, so that we can “give peace a chance”. Here are 3 good reasons why humanity would benefit from throttling back on our ‘Right-Wing’ behavioral tendencies:

  1. Realizing most fears are just fantasies, causes our present moments to be less stressful, so we would be healthier and enjoy life more.
  2. We would live with more joy as we would not be pre-occupied with blaming other people or packs, as outward negative energy only rebounds with negative feelings.
  3. As we become less protectionist, we live life with less ego and more sharing and caring driven behavior. This makes us feel good on the inside.

Life is just more fun when we are learning with no ego attached. And we have so much to learn from different cultures, all with good things to offer to human creativity. The sharing/collaborating aspect of the internet is allowing this to happen today, with programs like Skype and Zoom making it so easy to share ideas in a group format.

As the millennial generation moves forward, and embraces this technology, there is great hope that a positive future is in store. Let us be happy about that in this present moment, right now, which is all there is.

Comments

Dino Manalis Added May 6, 2018 - 3:02pm
Both the Left and Right wings can be devastating, that's why we should not make decisions based on emotions, but wait and think logically.
Stephen Hunter Added May 6, 2018 - 3:30pm
That is correct Dino. People seem to want to think there group is right, because their ego wants them to. So free think is abandoned and group think adopted.
Bill H. Added May 6, 2018 - 3:44pm
 
Exactly, Dino-
When people simply let politicians make decisions for them or tell them how to think on certain issues, the ability for people to make logical decisions based on what is really best for everyone diminishes, as we see plainly now.
"Group Think" has obviously led to big problems in past history. Man is at his best when he individualizes his thoughts.
Stephen Hunter Added May 6, 2018 - 4:11pm
No question Bill, the Group has an ego which looks out for its survival, at any cost. 
George N Romey Added May 6, 2018 - 4:44pm
Poverty, hate, despair, loneliness have dogged man for most of mankind yet seem unsolvable. 50 years ago it was assumed by the 21st century poverty will be eradicated and people would work less and enjoy life more.  But here we are arguing the same old thing. In many ways it’s far worse. In 1967 we weren’t arguing about livable wages and what should be done about the minimum wage.
Doug Plumb Added May 6, 2018 - 5:24pm
Great article, great points and I agree with every single thing you said.
Doug Plumb Added May 6, 2018 - 5:30pm
Its just a sad fact that we cannot have societies purely based on expected rational behaviour.
 
re "But here we are arguing the same old thing. In many ways it’s far worse. In 1967 we weren’t arguing about livable wages and what should be done about the minimum wage. "
  Whats funnier is people were sitting around with significantly less comfort than we have today back then. Air conditioning, smart phones, better transportation, safer jobs with work stress regulations in place, better access to entertainment, much more entertainment, world library available for free.
  Jordan Peterson says that your happiness isn't really going to increase much after you have an income level of something like 70 K take home. I guess he was quoting the Globe, but I may be wrong. So even poor people are a third of the way to bliss, and they are maybe a third or so of the economy.
  I can't understand how anyone can seriously complain about their material well being.
Even A Broken Clock Added May 6, 2018 - 6:16pm
Stephen - I've seen what you describe and psychological studies have confirmed that the difference between a "conservative"  win/lose mindset, and a "liberal" win/win mindset is hardwired in the brain. This tendency to react under fear describes much of why Donald Trump was able to tap into the neural circuits of those who believe only that things are getting worse from a security perspective, not those who rationally look at the statistics and realize how much better things are getting. Good post.
Leroy Added May 6, 2018 - 6:39pm
You liberals are so funny...lol
Stephen Hunter Added May 6, 2018 - 6:53pm
George all fair points however enjoying more bliss and not judging others or oneself, is not always directly tied to money, or lack thereof. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 6, 2018 - 6:57pm
Thanks Doug.
 Good point that it is the technology which the majority have access to, that is the difference from 67. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 6, 2018 - 7:03pm
Thanks Even.
The manipulation of the masses using emotional forces has been going on forever. However I think we are getting past this(the hope) as more and more people are becoming aware of how this shit goes down. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 6, 2018 - 7:04pm
Leroy, what is so funny?
TexasLynn Added May 6, 2018 - 7:51pm
Risking... beating Leroy to the punch... 
 
I can't really disagree more with the overall premise of your article.  And why you are wrong can be summed up in one assumption you make that is glaringly wrong.
 
"Those of us who have worked with people from different ethnic/religious backgrounds, come to understand that we all just want to live in peace and provide for our families. (and have a little fun along the way)"
 
If you had said "some" or even "most" that statement might be true... but you said "all" and that very assumption is ludicrous.  But then the real problem is you somehow ignore that minority who don't want those things despite the overwhelming evidence otherwise.
 
Unfortunately, that tiny minority who don't want that (live in peace) tend to make that (peace) difficult for the rest of us.  They kill thousands by flying planes into skyscrapers.  They kill millions for the ideal of a collectivist utopia.  The steal from and enslave their countryman in the name of leading them to that utopia.
 
The pampered, western 'Left-Wing' sings "Kum Ba Yah" and "Give Peace a Chance" while vilifying those of us who refuse the blinders.  You think we 'Right-Wingers' are evil for our inability to "throttle back" our anti-left and thus anti-social tendencies; as if this is some magic pill to finally ensure your secular, human utopia.
 
We (the Right-Wing) don't think you (the Left-Wing) are evil for your inability to "throttle back" your anti-right tendencies and blindness to what the world really is... nope... not evil at all, just stupid. :)
James Travil Added May 6, 2018 - 8:05pm
I agree somewhat with Lynn, although I certainly recognize the dangers of the extremist Right-Wing philosophy as well as the Left. As a Satanist I enchew herd mentally, all extremism and emotionally, instead embracing logic and individually. The path of the Alpha male moderate. I believe that all extremism is negative, not the Left or Right  both. Only in balance is positive productivity to be found. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 6, 2018 - 8:34pm
Texas you are correct. I should not have said all. There are ego driven jerks in all groups. 
I think though you prove one of my points. You quickly want to lump me into the pack called left wingers- the enemy. While you act as if you are defending the beliefs of your pack, acting as their pack leader for the moment. 
Kurt Bresler Added May 6, 2018 - 8:37pm
@TexasLynn  Glad someone put some light on the subject here.  I think this article explains some of the problem of the left.  They live in a bubble with rose-colored glasses.  They enjoy freedom primarily provided by the blood and guts of those who fought major Wars, something they detest -war, yet history shows there will always be a difference of opinion or the vying of who is in control.  Amazing how Hillary Clinton was able to rig the Democratic primary, but then they all love each other and shared hugs to let her win,  Also called sexism, considering much of who they wanted to lead the country had more to do with making a milestone to have the first woman president rather than choose a candidate based that his or her ability to Lead a Country,  Thank God Hillary is not president.  And as she shows her two-faced attitudes, the greatness of the loss becomes clearer.  Hillary stated "Trump should not contest the election??"  but now, that is all Hillary has done for the last year and a half is contest the election and blame everyone else for her loss.  Really,  and the left wants us to think they have any brains?? Wow.
Stephen Hunter Added May 6, 2018 - 8:37pm
James, I think I agree with you about the balance part, we need to get that right for these times we live. 
James Travil Added May 6, 2018 - 8:43pm
When I hear arguments about the Left vs. the Right I'm reminded of a Star Trek episode where Captain Kirk was split into two people via a transporter accident. One side was intellectual, the other rash and aggressive. Turned out neither side could survive without the other. I think there is a lot of truth in that. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 6, 2018 - 8:49pm
James that is too funny, I remember the episode well, and I think the character was played by Frank Gorshan. (the riddler in batman)
TexasLynn Added May 6, 2018 - 10:44pm
SH >> There are ego driven jerks in all groups.
 
Agreed.  And some of those "ego driven jerks", at least on one side of the political spectrum... kill millions.  If only they had access to listen to (and sing) more John Lennon instead of his cousin Vladimir, things might have been different... or not.
 
SH >> I think though you prove one of my points. You quickly want to lump me into the pack called left wingers
 
I don' want to lump ... I do.  Am I wrong? 
 
I admit that I'm more than willing to throw the left/right labels around; but I don't just do it on a whim.  If the article you wrote isn't leftist tripe (thus the lumping); I don't know what is.  The whole point of your article is to trash the right and imply if we would just embrace blind leftist dogma the world would be a better place.  Am I to believe that's a moderate position?
 
All you guys get your panties in a wad when lumped in with the left.  I don't blame you.  When it comes to honor, intellectual honesty, integrity, rationality... sanity... the left doesn't exactly exemplify those traits.  I could think of nothing worse, no greater insult, than to find myself associated with the left.
 
My advice is, if you find yourself associated with the left, don’t blame the messenger pointing out you have no clothes (a left winger).  Instead, try putting some *&^*ing clothes on? (Translation... don't embrace or write leftist tripe.) :)
 
SH >> … the enemy.
 
Yes... given the fruits (deeds and results) of the left, they are indeed the enemy of rational thought, liberty and freedom.  Thus, my enemy.  I often visualize a world with no liberals.  Does that mean I wish them bodily harm... no... just vision and brains for a change (aka conservatism). :)
 
SH >> While you act as if you are defending the beliefs of your pack, acting as their pack leader for the moment.
 
Leader... follower... I'm versatile as the situation dictates.  If I see someone getting the job done, I'm happy to follow, pull my weight, and help.  If nobody is stepping up to the plate and calling bullshit... I'm your huckleberry. :)
 
My apologies for being a bit blunt.  It's that Texan coming out... in spades. :)
Bill H. Added May 6, 2018 - 10:56pm
 
Stephen - Many people like to conveniently label others who don't agree with some or all of their political parties marching orders as a method to avoid reasonable discussion and simply bottle-up the opposing person and attain the satisfaction what they feel as a "victory".
 
Feel better, Leroy?
TexasLynn Added May 6, 2018 - 11:02pm
Kurt >> They live in a bubble with rose-colored glasses.
 
Thank you for the nod.  It's good to know other's get it.  Just as an example, you get the leftist dictators like Chavez and these little bubble boys (and our leftist leaders) fawn all over them... meanwhile we (the right) are the real problem in their twisted little logic.  With that enlightened sense of the world we are told…
 
We need to deny what our conservative senses tell us about the world. 
 
We need to "give peace a chance". 
 
We need to realize ALL just want to live peacefully and provide for their families. 
 
We need to realize our fears are just fantasies. 
 
We need to hug it out to relieve stress. 
 
We need to not place blame (even though where blame goes is obvious). 
 
We need to channel that negative energy out our asses. 
 
We need to be less protectionist (and more inclusive). 
 
We need to live with less ego (meaning less like men) and be more sharing and caring (meaning more like pussies). 
 
AND… If we do all this it will make us all feel so "good on the inside".
 
Yeah… that’s what the world is missing alright…
 
And after all this espoused insanity, the big concern is I hurt someone’s feelings by “lumping” them in with the left wing!?  I will not take the Lords name in vain… I will not take the Lords name in vain… I will not take the Lords name in vain…
Dave Volek Added May 6, 2018 - 11:31pm
Nice article and great comments all. I think Lynn said it best with his point of "all" vs. "most". There are indeed people from all walks of life who just don't play by normal rules. How we should deal with them is another matter worthy of another article. 
 
"The Blank Slate" by Dr. Steven Pinker refers a lot to our hunter-gatherer days. The personality genetics, when we were most more isolationist, to survive in those times really aren't the best for an 8b people planet. 
 
We still prefer to tribalize ourselves into groups that think like us. We really have to fight our genetics to move past our isolationist tendencies. 
wsucram15 Added May 7, 2018 - 2:06am
Stephen..good article.
But everyone hold up now.
This is an all vs most type thing and I do not wear rose colored glasses, although I did own a pair of pro-rose glasses in the 80s, expensive and nice, but too bright to drive with.
Anyhow.. what is wrong with looking at the positive side of things instead of always being negative Lynn?
You are assuming quite a bit about a small general population you dont know.
The people I see killing millions are not who I would call "leftists". The left does not have power and is not killing anyone currently. However, you have people killing and torturing people all over the world and I seriously doubt they are liberal in any sense of the word.
Also to compare the 9/11 terrorists to anything other than what they were is ludicrous. It wasn't about peace or not, it was to strike back at the US and create the same fear they had from us. It seems to have worked on some people. 
 
They killed 2996 plus first responders still affected...we killed millions of them, before and after.  Im not saying that is ok they flew planes into  buildings because they could not match our military, but if people were killing us like that we would drop a couple of bombs again.
 
A show of force is good, but we dont have to kill everyone. Thats insane.
 
And it would not hurt any of you to be more caring of your fellow man...seriously.   It may save your life one day.
 
You want to be a man..learn to expand your mind and accept another thought process.  You dont need to change, just understand everyone does not need to think and act like you.  Just Because they do not, does not put you in the right either.
 
Doug Plumb Added May 7, 2018 - 4:13am
Texas Lynn re "But then the real problem is you somehow ignore that minority who don't want those things despite the overwhelming evidence otherwise."
 
That is a very small percentage and most people are lead into doing these acts that they would not otherwise do. I think you have to find mentally ill people to do this.
I think Jews are lead by a communist system internally and cannot step off the reservation. Some are so arrogant you'd think they were nuts, and probably are. Communism creates madness.
 
Doug Plumb Added May 7, 2018 - 4:17am
Wsucram15: Arabs didn't do 9-11.
Doug Plumb Added May 7, 2018 - 4:23am
Not everything is left or right wing and I don't read any politics into what Stephen is saying.
Stephen Hunter Added May 7, 2018 - 7:11am
Kurt, thank-you for commenting. 
You are reading information(or I am sure you would say an opinion) and it is not syncing with your perspective and view of how the human mind works. So you express your frustration with Clinton, who is not a factor any longer in the current NOW of politics. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 7, 2018 - 7:22am
Texas thanks for taking the time to express your perspective. You are certainly passionate and that is a positive human trait! 
I did take a political test once and it positioned my views as slightly left of center. However I am NOT your enemy, really. And I do NOT wish for a world where people do think all right or left only, because that is just not possible. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 7, 2018 - 7:28am
And Texas and Kurt, I do not fawn over leaders from the left side, or ones from the right(Hitler maybe would he fall in that category to you- or is he somehow a leftist too?) 
I firmly believe that once someone is made the pack leader, something deep inside their brain gets turned on and they turn into jerks. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 7, 2018 - 7:30am
Actually the only National leader I can think of that I respect was Mahatma Gandhi, who seemed to be able to remain humble. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 7, 2018 - 7:38am
Thank-you Dave. I did agree with Texas, that I should have not used "all", as the heavy ego driven exist in all walks of life.  
You have hit on my major point, that the human species is at a point in our evolution where our fear based driven behavior has outlived its usefulness in protecting us, and is now actually hurting our health and well being.
Stephen Hunter Added May 7, 2018 - 7:45am
Thanks wsuscram. You get what I am saying. It does not matter what political stripe you label yourself as, when the violence happens, it is our right wing side initiating the action. 
Some seem to think that people are either black or white. This is our logical brain at work, using pattern recognition to try and make sense out of the world. It is driven by pack mentality where in earlier times of human evolution, a quick labeling was necessary for protection. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 7, 2018 - 7:51am
Doug, thanks for not reading any politics into what I am saying. Trying my best to make this about human behavioral patterns, and make people look inside themselves, and not reference their group-think. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 7, 2018 - 7:54am
And Doug just a comment on the Jewish pack. I would have to say that they are the most successful human pack to date. In spite of all odds this pack seems to be surviving and thriving. 
Leroy Added May 7, 2018 - 8:08am
"Leroy, what is so funny?"
 
What I find funny is that many (most, some) of those on the left think they own the moral high ground.  They associate good traits with those left of center and bad traits with those right of center.
 
 
Doug Plumb Added May 7, 2018 - 10:49am
@Stephen re "Jewish Pack". You are right in the economic sense but not in the spiritual sense IMO. In that sense many are unhappy with what has been going on and unable to express it without possible backlash.
Their success can be attributed to the fact that they all work toward the same agenda, willing or not. I've had many tell me in private that they hate it.
Doug Plumb Added May 7, 2018 - 10:52am
The ones that say they "already won" and "we are going to do it to you" are hurting inside I think and their arrogance is a sort of mask for pain, which I think arrogance often is.
TexasLynn Added May 7, 2018 - 10:59am
Jeanne >> Anyhow.. what is wrong with looking at the positive side of things instead of always being negative Lynn?
 
It's not reality.  I'll will grant you that "always being negative" is equally unrealistic.
 
But is it possible, because I don't wear the rose colored glasses, I'm boxed/lumped/labeled by certain packs as always being negative.
 
Jeanne >> You are assuming quite a bit about a small general population you dont know.
 
No... I'm assuming quite a bit about a political philosophy... but I do so based on current and historical evidence and results.  Evidence and results that are generally had to miss.
 
Jeanne >> The people I see killing millions are not who I would call "leftists". The left does not have power and is not killing anyone currently.
 
We partially agree.  The left is not killing millions currently.  That is what they did in the last century (Stalin, Mao, and yes, Hitler).
 
Those excelling in the killing today are the Islamic fascists.
 
The left does have the power, but they are not currently using it to the maximum degree towards death.  Most (China, North Korea, Venezuela, etc.) are using it to enslave and loot at the moment.  Only Russia (off the top of my head) is using its power in death department right now.
 
To be clear, I would consider any dictator currently holding power via the political philosophy/path of communism or socialism to be leftist.  Those political system enable and gravitate to totalitarianism.
 
Jeanne >> It wasn't about peace or not, it was to strike back at the US and create the same fear they had from us. It seems to have worked on some people.
 
Doesn't this show a lot of WB participants toss those rose-colored glasses aside when it comes to blaming the US for the worlds ills.  What is wrong with looking at the positive side of things when it comes to the US?
 
My view of the US is that we are the worst ... except for all the rest.
 
I don't agree with the assessment (shared by many on WB) that the US is responsible for millions of deaths.  Have we made mistakes in our war on terror?  Yes.  Are we in conflicts we shouldn't be?  Yes.  But I place the majority of blame for all this on Islamic extremists and Islamic states.  They have been causing trouble for civilized society since the inception of their "religion".  We are in a historical period when their collective chickens have come home to roost.
 
Jeanne >> You want to be a man.. learn to expand your mind and accept another thought process.  You dont need to change, just understand everyone does not need to think and act like you. 
 
I appreciate the advice and will take it to heart.  I'm a bit blunt in my analysis and confrontation.  And I'm not one to turn a blind eye to ills of the world or the cause.  Maybe it’s that unchecked ego thing Stephen is talking about.  I’ve never been one to put much stock in the “subjective” sciences.
 
Taking a step in the direction you suggest, I do admire the empathy and compassion of the left... I only question the results of their implementations.
TexasLynn Added May 7, 2018 - 11:00am
Doug >> That is a very small percentage
 
Agreed, but a very small percentage can move the world and in this case, move it horribly askew.
 
I would hold up Islam as the perfect example of that today.  A very small percentage of Islamic people are the violent extremists, yet THEY are the ones driving the direction that religion is going.  The majority, the peaceful, are either too scared or complacent to deal with those currently driving the Islamic bus.
 
Doug >> ... and most people are lead into doing these acts that they would not otherwise do.
 
Agreed, when it comes to followers.  The leaders direct the violence, not perpetrate it themselves.  This goes for the Islamists or the communists/socialist tyrants.  Still, the results are the same.
 
Doug >> I think you have to find mentally ill people to do this.
 
If that's the case, those "mentally ill" have been with us in sufficient number all our existence/history.
 
Doug >> I think Jews are lead by a communist system internally and cannot step off the reservation.
 
I can't say that I agree or disagree.  The communist system is definitely a problem.  History proves that beyond doubt.
 
As to the number or percentage of Jews who have embraced it... I can't say.  I know a lot of non-Jews have.  But as I said above, it's easy for a minority to take control and drive the cultural bus.
 
Doug >> Not everything is left or right wing and I don't read any politics into what Stephen is saying.
 
We'll have to disagree here.  What Stephen is saying may not be left politically... but it is definitely left socially.  Every premise and suggestions reeks of where the pampered left would take western society and what it would do to the right and to males (figuratively castrate) in said society.
 
They speak of human social evolution as a path to a secular utopia; if only the Neanderthal right will finally come to their senses.
 
I categorically reject that there is such a thing as human social evolution or that a human utopia is even possible.  My evidence?  History.  We are no different from our predecessors a century ago... a millennia ago, or ten millennia.  Technology may change... but not human nature.
TexasLynn Added May 7, 2018 - 11:00am
Stephen >> I did take a political test once and it positioned my views as slightly left of center.
 
I've never taken one.  I put very little faith in such things.  Want to take a guess as to the box I would fit in? :)
 
Stephen >> However I am NOT your enemy, really.
 
I was a bit harsh in those comments.  I do not consider YOU an enemy.  I do consider leftist ideology to be wrong and the antithesis of things I hold dear, such a liberty and freedom.
 
I do consider the contents of this article to embrace that social leftist ideology and thus wrong.
 
Stephen >> And I do NOT wish for a world where people do think all right or left only, because that is just not possible.
 
Agreed... but I DO wish for a dominance of conservative principles only because I think rational evidence proves them to be right/superior.  I think a little leftist influence can help us (the right) appreciate that... :)
 
Stephen >> I do not fawn over leaders from the left side, or ones from the right.
 
No... that was one of those leftist generalizations I'm always chastised for making.  I was referencing all the leftist fawning over Socialist Hugo Chavez as he began the process of looting Venezuela.  Now that the country is a shit-hole... I'm sure it's the U.S.s fault.  It always is.
 
Please consider yourself the exceptions that proves the rule.
 
Stephen >> Hitler maybe would he fall in that category to you - or is he somehow a leftist too?
 
Hitler was a leftist (see socialist).  My personal view of fascism is that it more a statist means or vehicle than a political philosophy... usable by the left or the right.  Hitler used it for the left.  Islam would be a perfect example of the right using it.
 
Stephen >> I did agree with Texas, that I should have not used "all"...
 
I appreciate the concession.  But as I stated in my first comment... that oversight isn't the real problem.  It's ignoring that troublesome, very active, very violent minority all together.  And seeking to change the social makeup of the very people who keep them in check.  And beyond that, the foundational problem is a misunderstanding of human nature. (see statements on human social evolution)
 
Stephen >> You have hit on my major point, that the human species is at a point in our evolution where our fear based driven behavior has outlived its usefulness in protecting us, and is now actually hurting our health and well being.
 
This is the leftist doctrine (and yes Stephen it is leftist) that I fundamentally disagree with.  It's that type of thinking that gave us the Communist Manifesto and the millions of deaths that ensued because of it.
 
I'm not saying your premise is communist, only that it shares the same fatal flaw that communism does, in that its foundational assumption concerning human nature is wrong... and thus very dangerous if implemented.
 
As I commented to Doug, you speak of human social evolution as a path to a secular utopia.  If only the Neanderthal right will finally come to their senses.
TexasLynn Added May 7, 2018 - 11:01am
On the LEFT RIGHT labels…
 
Stephen >> It does not matter what political stripe you label yourself (or others) as, when the violence happens...
 
Bill H >> Many people like to conveniently label others who don't agree with some or all of their political parties marching orders as a method to avoid reasonable discussion and simply bottle-up the opposing person and attain the satisfaction what they feel as a "victory".
 
James Travil >> When I hear arguments about the Left vs. the Right I'm reminded of a Star Trek episode...
 
I know a lot of you guys really get bent out of shape concerning the left/right labels.  If you think I use them to lump or box someone so as not to address the content of their posts... you're not paying attention.
 
I for one will use them with abandon, BECAUSE they are applicable to the state of the world (global, national, local).  Yes, there are exceptions to the generalities... please consider that to be the exception that proves the rule, not disproves it.
 
Stephen, I don't know your overall political bent.  I will go by your ideas as expressed in your writings rather than some test you took if you don't mind.
 
I do know the heavy leaning of THIS article and am more than willing to point it out and defend my assertions.  I'll do that with any article on WB until Autumn tells me she's had enough. :)
 
This is article of leftist ideology... I eagerly await one from Stephen (or anybody else) that isn't.  When I see it, I'll comment and give credit where it is due. :)
TexasLynn Added May 7, 2018 - 11:02am
Leroy >> What I find funny is that many (most, some) of those on the left think they own the moral high ground.  They associate good traits with those left of center and bad traits with those right of center.
 
They think we're evil for lack of leftist empathy.  We think they are stupid for lack of seeing cause/effect and history.
Benjamin Goldstein Added May 7, 2018 - 12:00pm
As a Satanist I enchew herd mentally, all extremism and emotionally, instead embracing logic and individually.
Travis, you are a goat.
Stone-Eater Added May 7, 2018 - 1:39pm
Yawn. Left. Right. Get over that shit.
TexasLynn Added May 7, 2018 - 2:01pm
Yawn. I don't want me or my ideas to be labeled as left or right!  I'm going to bitch and moan until you guys conform to my ideas of discourse... 
 
That doesn’t seem to be working, might I suggest holding your breath and stomping your little feet… OR Get over that shit. :)
 
That goes for all you leftist loons and fence sitting moderates… I haven’t heard any complaints from right-wing nuts. :)  But it would go for them too. :)
Neil Lock Added May 7, 2018 - 2:29pm
Stephen: You slipped a curve ball by most people here, didn't you?
 
You started out talking about "left side" and "right side" of the brain. The logic on the left, the reactions on the right. So far, so good. But then you made it political. You made it look as it was "left wing" logic versus "right wing" reaction. And you reaped the comments you sowed, of course.
 
Speaking as one who has contempt for all politics, I think it's nearer the other way around. Leftists generally want to force their view of the moment on to other people, and they don't care how many lies they have to tell, or how many people they have to kill or impoverish, to do that. But in my view, among political followers, the rightists actually tend to be the more logical and rational. The problem is, the rightist "leaders" - and more than a few of their followers - are entirely selfish, and don't care about anyone outside their circle of cronies.
 
My view is, a plague on all their houses.
Doug Plumb Added May 7, 2018 - 2:53pm
@Texas Lynn
 
re "The majority, the peaceful, are either too scared or complacent to deal with those currently driving the Islamic bus."
 
Exactly the danger of a statutory based religion.
 
re "Doug >> I think Jews are lead by a communist system internally and cannot step off the reservation.
 
I can't say that I agree or disagree. "
 
See https://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/15-gayest-countries-in-the-world-per-capita-611641/16/
 
The same thing is being done to Jews in Israel as the rest of us, except for multiculturalism, which they could never accept.
Doug Plumb Added May 7, 2018 - 2:57pm
re "Every premise and suggestions reeks of where the pampered left would take western society and what it would do to the right and to males (figuratively castrate) in said society."
 
Some of that will just go with a technological society. There is not going to be a need for "hard men" for much longer. Drones and the money chip will replace soldiers and cops. When the cops want you they just shut off your chip, they don't come to you. They just automatically fine you for driving too fast. Men and women will quickly evolve to be more alike, especially if we survive and get to the post work society. If you don't like it, toss your smart phone in the toilet now. I don't like it, its not good, but to stop it we have to chuck our cell phones and computers now.
Doug Plumb Added May 7, 2018 - 3:01pm
My fear is the following: No one will even know what a "trial" even is, most ours are not real trials now anyway, they operate under assumptions wrt acquiescense to the state as a result of admin procedures act. The whole idea of "natural" right will dissapear from consciousness when religion is gone. The courts will not have a law to base the science of jurisprudence on, and do as they wish, case by case, on a dumbed down society.
Doug Plumb Added May 7, 2018 - 3:02pm
re "Travis, you are a goat. " lol.
TexasLynn Added May 7, 2018 - 4:06pm
Doug???  Are you saying communism equals gay?  Or vice-versa? What am I missing on the link provided?
Tamara Wilhite Added May 7, 2018 - 5:54pm
Conservatives are better at threat recognition than liberals. Smearing it as irrational fear is insulting and dishonest.
 
Tamara Wilhite Added May 7, 2018 - 6:08pm
I've noticed a tendency among liberals to see it as a moral imperative to act as if the best case scenario is true, as if that maximizes the odds of it coming true.
 
Per that mindset, risk mitigation and risk management are seen as immoral because you're acting as if the bad outcomes might happen.
 
For example, the wishful thinking that all people are inherently good and putting bars on windows or installing an alarm gives people the wrong idea, so the person engaging in self-defense is causing the crime instead of deterring it.
 
Or demanding that you let in everyone without screening for diseases, criminal backgrounds and Islamic terrorist ties because you want to believe they're all good and assume they'll all reform if you love on them hard enough, lecture them long enough, play holy martyr hard enough ... and to hell with the rapes, murders and other harm your neighbors suffer as a result. Leprosy clinics in LA, drug resistant TB spread through un-screened immigrants worldwide, Muslim rape gangs in the EU ... oh, those conservatives are irrationally afraid. They're crazy. Let's cover up the bad news that the irrationally idealistic policies caused, because we don't want to make things worse ...
 
More vigilance and discretion is necessary.  More honest discussion of the problems in the world and how to reduce the risk is necessary. More novelty seeking and "let's act without considering the risks/threats/consequences" is bad for society.
Tamara Wilhite Added May 7, 2018 - 6:09pm
In short, we need more realistic pragmatism to find solutions to issues like diseases, crime, poverty to create that better world I think we all want.
A more positive mindset and wishful thinking won't cause it - it is making things worse, as California's slide into Third World chaos is proving.
Leroy Added May 7, 2018 - 6:42pm
I read a recent article about the do-gooders who support Climate Change and those that are skeptics.  The do-gooders feel that they get a pass because they support the policy, whereas skeptics are more likely to conserve and protect the environment.  In other words, the do-gooders are value-signalers who put their faith in government; skeptics take individual actions.  It's not that surprising really.  Hunters are presented as evil Bambi killers.  The reality is that hunters tend to respect animals more than non-hunters. 
Dave Volek Added May 7, 2018 - 7:43pm
Leroy
 
A couple decades back, my dad let some city guys hunt deer on his property. For some strange reason, a big herd was congregating there that fall.
 
The herd was docile and easy targets. These guys managed to shoot about 15 to 20 deer. They had tags for six. When the excitement of the rampage was over, they realized their mistake and took off, even without their six legal deer. Unfortunately, my dad did not phone the wildlife cops on them as they were friends of a neighbor. He just chained the deer to the tractor and pulled them to the prairie where they became coyote and magpie food.
 
If I were to judge all hunters by these city guys, I would say all hunters should be shot. But I don't judge people by the group they belong to.
 
Tamara
We are terrible at risk management. The USA (and other countries) waged a war in Afghanistan over the death of 3000 citizens. If the loss of life was the actual goal, then we would save a lot more lives by stricter enforcement of traffic laws.  But issuing more traffic tickets is not politically correct.
 
You may come to conclusion that I'm soft on terrorism. Just to make the record clear, I say we had a moral duty to investigate and prosecute all the accomplices of the 9-11 attacks. We had a moral duty to put surveillance of suspected terrorists (both domestic and international) on the future. But in the end, we need to practice "innocent until proven guilty"--even if these guys don't respect our legal processes.   I would even consider a quick invasion of Afghanistan to destabilize the Taliban, but move out shortly after. Hopefully the new leadership will take the hint, but the truth is we might have to go back again several more times.
 
The invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq went far too over the top. It eventually caused more problems than it solved.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Tamara Wilhite Added May 7, 2018 - 7:45pm

Leroy I read that, too. I wonder if it explains the messes left behind at so many liberal political rallies whereas Tea Party events look cleaner after crowds depart than before the people showed up.
 

My frustration is that the idealistic worldview not only leads to more negative consequences by assuming happy thoughts fixes it but makes things WORSE.
 
Ironically, the environmentalist movement acts the way the original poster says conservative do. Doom and gloom, doubling and tripling down on the horror stories to try to scare people into doing what they have always advocated - rationing, limits, controls.
 
Let's micromanage what you eat, how many kids you can have, how much power you use. The forests will die of acid rain (1980s) and rain forests will disappear (constant). The oceans will rise and deserts spread (1990s to today). Renaming global warming to climate change lets them take credit for too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry, dust storms and wind storms. For the planet is such a better excuse than "for the children", when so many of your members don't have kids.
 
And if conservatives look at that and say "no" because they don't want to turn into the Soviet Union or Venezuela, we're the stupid, crazy evil ones who just don't understand that the beautiful utopian dream will alter reality and human nature.
 
From the French Revolution to Pol Pot's killing fields, oh, those evil conservatives with pragmatism and concern are the problem holding us back from progress. If we just get rid of those pesky people or the rational, pragmatic awareness, won't we all live in that imaginary utopia that liberalism craves?
Tamara Wilhite Added May 7, 2018 - 7:46pm

Leroy I've also read where the environmentalists banning the import of hunted trophy animals has led to their mass slaughter. When wildlife reserves didn't get money from trophy hunters because they couldn't bring trophies home, they closed. In came the poachers and killed them all.
Leroy Added May 7, 2018 - 8:11pm
"A couple decades back, my dad let some city guys hunt deer on his property. For some strange reason, a big herd was congregating there that fall."
 
Dave, sounds like they weren't really hunters.  Someone gave the city slickers guns to shoot and land to shoot on and they went nuts.  I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere near.
 
There's an unmanaged gun club near some land our family owns.  During deer season, the manly city boys come down to get drunk and "hunt."  They shoot anything that moves.  We are serious hunters and follow Quality Deer Management practices.
 
But, there are arseholes everywhere.  You give one person permission to hunt and he will construe it as a permanent permission and will invite everybody and his brother to hunt, who will, in turn, invite everybody and his brother to hunt.  We had one arsehole that apparently the only thing he did was hunt.  He shot everything that moved, so there were no large deer.  After not respecting our agreement, we finally had to kick him off, despite the family ties.
A. Jones Added May 7, 2018 - 8:20pm
Our ‘Right-Wing Side’ holds us back!
 
Our "Left-Wing Side" pushes us toward an abyss.
Tamara Wilhite Added May 7, 2018 - 9:01pm
 Dave Volek  On Afghanistan, we were right to go after Bin Laden. Going after Iraq was not as clear cut. After taking out the evil leadership, I am not certain it was right to try to rebuild and try to build democracies in a part of the world that seems antithetical to it.

We were certainly wrong to let Clinton take out dictators across the Middle East out of the misguided assumption it would lead to democracy. Egypt elected the Muslim Brotherhood before the military ousted it. Libya went from stable to chaos and a haven for Boko Haram. Taking out Saddam and trying to take out Syria's leader allowed ISIS to form; Clinton armed them because she thought Assad was worse than potential Islamic theocrats.  Ignoring Russia's vested interest in their naval base on the Mediterranean was incompetence beyond belief. Yemen's leader actually protected their Jews 'til Obama's State Department drove him out.

In these latter cases, liberals' change intended for the better made things infinitely worse.
Stephen Hunter Added May 7, 2018 - 11:13pm
Neil, I really did try and keep my article non-political, however it has certainly generated many political comments, which is great. 
What I find interesting is that very few of the comments were about the science of the mind and how it makes us behave. Some dismiss the content as leftist ramblings which mean nothing. 
TexasLynn Added May 7, 2018 - 11:30pm
I know it was probably lost in my other comments... but I definitely addressed the subject of the science of the mind ... Specifically I noted that ... "I’ve never been one to put much stock in the 'subjective' sciences."
 
a (square) + b (square) = c (square) … objective science? … check
 
Force = Mass x Acceleration … objective science? … check
 
ego, id, super ego, tell me about your mother... objective science? … no so much. :)
Tamara Wilhite Added May 7, 2018 - 11:41pm
Stephen Hunter: If you were looking for specific feedback regarding the article:
 
"As we become less protectionist, we live life with less ego and more sharing and caring driven behavior. This makes us feel good on the inside."
 
Ask the women raped by Muslim migrants in the EU while the government and even no-borders groups told them to shut up, cover it up. The misplaced compassion of "let's let all the strangers in, no matter what" may arise from good intentions, but the harm is irrefutable. The further appeasement from "let's tolerate child brides, FGM, Shariah zones" is an erosion of liberal secular culture because the left can't admit it imported people from an oppressive culture OR enforce its cultural norms on the immigrants because they rank the outsider as so much better than themselves. This is novelty raised to a virtue, and we're seeing the horrific consequences of that.
 
Good intentions can lead to bad outcomes. By assuming what feels good IS good, you gain the ability to ignore the negative outcomes by excusing with "I had good intentions" and "it's not my fault, it is really all those negative people to blame". At the worst extremes are the Communists killing the kulaks who got in the way of utopia. The SJWs using hash tags like kill all whites, kill all men and anti-Semetic ones are on that same trendline.
 
"We would live with more joy as we would not be pre-occupied with blaming other people or packs, as outward negative energy only rebounds with negative feelings."
 
Please discuss this with liberal bullies, the social justice warriors. The people who form digital lynch mobs to tear people down on everything from clothing choices to hairstyles to word choice. Who say every difference between groups must be due to oppression, so let's hate and actively discriminate against men, whites, heterosexuals, Asians. 
 
Liberals say they're love, tolerant, rational, kind. This allows them to label every other view as hate speech and ban it as such. And that's not a hypothetical.
 
Labour feminist who took on the party's trans activists is questioned by police, accused of 'hate crime'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5692727/Labour-activist-Linda-Bellos-took-partys-trans-activists-questioned-police.html#ixzz5EpLFkcoM

Former Muslim, Anti-FGM Campaigner Shazia Hobbs Suspended from Twitter
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/09/04/former-muslim-anti-fgm-campaigner-shazia-hobbs-suspended-twitter
 
Per the statement: "throttling back on our ‘Right-Wing’ behavioral tendencies: Realizing most fears are just fantasies, causes our present moments to be less stressful, so we would be healthier and enjoy life more."
 
Couple of issues with this. Conservatives aren't driven by fear. They have better threat assessment skills than liberals. That's why I discussed issues above as liberals lacking pragmatism and realistic assessment of issues.
 
Are most fears fantasies? Depends on the fear, depends on the concern.
 
If you want a real life fear of most, ask liberals who they're afraid of enough to censor their words and consider their actions. Do they care about calling conservatives stupid, crazy, evil bigots and saying conservatives shouldn't be allowed to work in certain jobs or denied service? No. That's mainstream entertainment today.
 
Even liberals afraid of the liberal bullies, SJWs, forming violent mobs when someone speaks, attacking them as Brett Weinstein was at Evergreen State? The female professor at Middlebury. Threats and hate against Lindsay Shephard and many more. When classic liberals are equally afraid of the far left ruining their careers, social lives, reputation, it is necessary to ask who is REALLY relying on fear to manage and control others. And that's the left through shaming, shunning and threats of violence (with real acts of violence like the riots at Berkley, Chicago, San Jose for good measure).
 
All the shaming, shunning, violence, fear, lecturing, censoring bullying ... They do it in the NAME of love, peace, tolerance.
 
But the fear, the anger, the hate isn't coming from the right. It is coming from the LEFT. And that's why I was "triggered" at you saying "oh, it is the right wing that's holding us b
Tamara Wilhite Added May 7, 2018 - 11:46pm
Continuation: "oh, it is the right wing that's holding us back".
 
No, it is left wing beliefs that killed 100 million last century and are tearing apart society today. Identity politics is the retribalization and "balkanization" of society. That leads to war and violence.
 
It is left wing utopianism and tactics that create fear, oppression, violence and horror. The left calling everyone else an evil hater is projection and a deliberate tactic per Alinsky.
 
It is left wing's tendency to totalitarianism in the name of moral virtue we need to move beyond.
Tamara Wilhite Added May 7, 2018 - 11:48pm
 

Neil Lock Agree.
Tamara Wilhite Added May 7, 2018 - 11:50pm

Dino Manalis That's why every group argues their positions and policies are logical.
 
I wonder to what degree that Jonathan Haidt is right, that we vote our personality type. That trait openness is the main determinant as to whether or not you're liberal. And liberals say that personality trait proves they're smart, moral, better because lazy moralizing is something humans have done for all of history.

Jonathan Haidt - the Moral Roots of Liberals and Conservatives
https://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind
Tamara Wilhite Added May 8, 2018 - 12:11am
The TLDR summary of above. 
* the problem with the article is the biased assumption right wing = fear
* an assumption that novelty seeking / openness is moral in and of itself
* and mistake belief that good feelings determine the right course of action.
I.E. If you think you're doing it out of love, it is good. 
Anyone who's met an enabler knows you can do bad things to someone out of love out of misplaced compassion.
And liberal hate mobs enjoy ruining people (and sometimes literally hurting them) due to the moral cover "love" provides them these days.
Just because you think it is love or call it that, just because you have good intentions, doesn't make it right or good. And the utopianism that arises from this liberal belief does real harm, again and again.
Kurt Bresler Added May 8, 2018 - 2:14am
DEAR STEPHEN,   I was using Hillary as an example of the type of love, utopia, creative thinking etc you espoused in your article.  Personally I'm not angry at Hillary, I'm pissed at the Left who with all their "Pack/Herd mentality allowed the insanity to begin with, and the choice of VP lol, now that is funny. lol. 
 
Only the fears evoked are not life or death, but we react as if they are. Our thoughts play out mind movies of worst case scenarios, and we get stressed out and paranoid.
 
Here are 3 good reasons why humanity would benefit from throttling back on our ‘Right-Wing’ behavioral tendencies:

Realizing most fears are just fantasies, causes our present moments to be less stressful, so we would be healthier and enjoy life more.
We would live with more joy as we would not be pre-occupied with blaming other people or packs, as outward negative energy only rebounds with negative feelings.
As we become less protectionist, we live life with less ego and more sharing and caring driven behavior. This makes us feel good on the inside.

THE FEAR is REAL but it is not against the Lion, it is against anything which challenges just values and laws; and threatens to water them down to meaningless words which do not inspire heroism or patriotism in the largest sense.  We need things which put us to the test to bring out the best in us, the best in humanity.  Peace and Love you speak of reminds me of the hippy movement of the 60's today the yuppies want to return to what didn't work before and drag our entire Nation down with them. 
 Seems the Mexican drugs are working better than modern weapons.
Stephen Hunter Added May 8, 2018 - 8:10am
Thank-you Texas for clarifying what you meant by "subjective sciences". Many feel the same way as you(and from all sides of the behavioral spectrum- by that I mean those who tend to think/behave left, right or center.) 
Only since the 1800's have humans really started to study human behavior in a scientific way. That started with Pavlov's dog. (ring the bell and dog starts to drool) This is a conditioned response, as every time the dog got fed, someone rang a bell. Then all you had to do was ring the bell.  We then started to think there is more to how the mind works then we realize. And in early 1900's Freud, Jung and others came along and modern psychology evolved. 
Because it is relatively new science, I think, less obvious objective examples exist, unless one has been to a shrink, or has had hypnotherapy. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 8, 2018 - 8:23am
Tamara, thanks so much for your thoughtful and insightful comments. So many things to address, however I want to emphasize that I am not pointing fingers at those associated with right or left packs. I am trying to get into the individual minds of all people and ignore their group think perspective. We are all connected and part of one universal life source, and if we take away the pack mentality, we are all so much more alike, then most realize. That is the main point I am trying to convey. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 8, 2018 - 8:37am
Kurt I love the way you put it, that you are not mad at the individual but at the PACK. I tend to agree as the Democratic machine were hell bent on keeping Bernie out of the mix. 
The fear is real and I agree, however my point is that our minds think that we are about to be killed and we are wired for that to take place instantly. The nagging fears you speak of, real or not,(our minds do not know the difference btw) drag on for a lifetime, so we end up living our life like scared squirrels, always on the edge and worried all the time. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 8, 2018 - 8:41am
Tamara, I am referring to right wing thinking- not the Right Wing pack. And I thought I made it clear that we ALL are wired for right and left wing thinking. And if you dissect your day to day activities and your reactions to things, you will discover this. 
Tamara Wilhite Added May 8, 2018 - 9:50am

Stephen Hunter The wording itself is problematic, to borrow a term from the left. Your very presentation "right wing bad, abandon" is playing on the elitist prejudices of the political left and ignores the value of careful conservation of what works.
 
I'm an engineer. I know change happens. I've managed Six Sigma projects for studying things as they truly are, making a plan, making the changes, studying the results and "sustaining the gain".
 
Making random changes on the hope it helps is often detrimental. Making changes based on how you think things operate instead of reality is wasteful at best, harmful at worst. Deciding you don't like how something works and burning it all to the ground instead of moderate, progressive changes is wasteful and often harmful, especially to societies as a whole.
 
In that regard, I aid in making changes in a logical, thought-out manner. That balances both conservative and liberal, as you should have said.
 
Doug Plumb Added May 8, 2018 - 9:52am
TexasLynn re "Doug???  Are you saying communism equals gay?  Or vice-versa? What am I missing on the link provided?  "
 
No. I'm saying that communist forces are behind reshaping a culture that celebrates open homosexuality. I'm not saying that homo's need to be persecuted or that the practice can  be eradicated. Its open celebration can confuse younger minds during that short period between childhood and adult, this according to Dr. Judy Reisman - I think that is the name. Anyways, I think it makes a certain amount of sense, I've never had those inclinations but I had noticed some friends that did, but they got married and lead normal lives. In today's environment, who knows, maybe they would be dead from STD's, or be miserable from a past life of many partners, as gay men do.
Generally, I believe any kind of open practice of sexuality, porn industry, etc is bad and is part of the communist agenda, as Henry Makow so eloquently explains. Society requires minds to be shaped with reason to preserve the common law, a little girl in hot pants distracts a 12 year old boy from this.
Doug Plumb Added May 8, 2018 - 9:56am
@Dave re "The invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq went far too over the top. It eventually caused more problems than it solved."
 
The Arabs didn't do 9-11 Dave, its just not physically possible that the official version doesn't add up scientifically, and you don't need any kind of degree to see this. Its obvious if you look at all the evidence, and not just that which was given on mainstream. The building collapses were a violation of the basic law "nature always takes the easiest path"
 
 
 
Doug Plumb Added May 8, 2018 - 9:59am
re "ego, id, super ego, tell me about your mother... objective science? … no so much. :)  "
 
That is Freud. Don't paint psychology with your impression of Freud. Although diagnosed as extremely sane, I have had reason to learn about some aspects of psychology, and some of it is great. Just because there is no equation doesn't mean nothing is known. This is a very communist way of looking at the world.
Doug Plumb Added May 8, 2018 - 10:07am
@Stephen re "And I thought I made it clear that we ALL are wired for right and left wing thinking. And if you dissect your day to day activities and your reactions to things, you will discover this. "
 
Christianity deals with this issue through original sin. Kant explains it all much better. If we could only get sex education and ecology out of schools and start teaching basic philosophy we wouldn't be in this mess we are in. No wonder pay scale jumped so much for school teachers, go along to bet along. Everyone has their price.
Doug Plumb Added May 8, 2018 - 10:16am
When you meet Lefties and get to know them you see that they have certain psychological shortcommings, often due to psychological trauma, or they actually think too much with their RIGHT brain and that actually drives them LEFT. This is just my opinion.
I knew someone who had an above average IQ, but was not the genius he thought he was but a clear thinker and able to solve actual science problems, and generally considered intelligent and reasonable, but you couldn't talk politics around him, and everyone knew he just "didn't get it".
The reason is that he placed equality of outcome as his maxim, when in reality, its an impossibility. His incredible hubris prevented him from reading anything in politics involving theory and he got his thinking from flawed left wing sites such as snopes.
I can say the same thing about a few others I have known. I think most leftists have suffered some kind of psychological trauma. I have as well, worse than any of them by any kind of measure, but I turned to philosophy to sort it out. At heart I am a "theorist" and know ten before speaking of one.
Doug Plumb Added May 8, 2018 - 10:17am
re "We are all connected and part of one universal life source, and if we take away the pack mentality, we are all so much more alike, then most realize. That is the main point I am trying to convey. "
 
Even Kant says this but some have a few of their control strings broken or misplaced.
Dave Volek Added May 8, 2018 - 11:12am
Steven
The humanities are not absolute sciences like physics or chemistry. Rather they are probabilistic, meaning the outcome of any particular individual cannot be predicted with certainty but the outcome of a reasonable number of people can be predicted with some accuracy. 
 
A good example is social assistance. When I try to point out that many people who go on social assistance are there only for a few months. They eventually find their way back to self-reliance. But opponents of social assistance will look at the one example of someone becoming permanently dependent--with no understanding of why that person got to that position in life. The short-term people that were helped have no bearing on opponents outlook. It is only the one bad apple that sets the reasoning.
 
People generally cannot deal with probabilities very well.
 
 
Mike Haluska Added May 8, 2018 - 2:32pm
Stephen -
We're best off in the long run when we keep emotion OUT of decisions requiring objectivity.  "Liberal" or "Conservative" shouldn't be a consideration as far as the law and the Constitution go.  98.9% of the so-called "division" in this country is the direct result of BOTH parties ignoring/sidestepping the Constitution.
 
Liberal baseball players have no advantage/disadvantage over Conservative baseball players, because the RULES OF BASEBALL remain the same and neither team or individual player can skate around them.  The "umpires" in baseball simply apply the rules to the events occurring during the game and make a ruling. 
 
Unlike our wacked out Supreme Court, you don't see umpires making calls based on whether they think the rules discriminate against taller players because the strike zone is bigger or other nonsense.  Supreme Court Decisions like Roe v Wade, Affordable Care Act, et al were NOT based on what is in the "Rule Book" (our Constitution) but what the personal opinion liberal Supreme Court judges were.  Article 10 of the Constitution should have been cited in almost every one of the 98.9% cases the Supreme Court screwed up.      
Stephen Hunter Added May 8, 2018 - 8:39pm
Tamara, thanks for the perspective. 
I am certainly not advocating for change for the sake of change. Just suggesting that at this point in human evolution, we would benefit from dialing back(not eliminating) the survival side of our psyche. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 8, 2018 - 8:48pm
Doug I agree that the school system needs more philosophy built in to the curriculum. Why are we not offering a course in bullying before the bullying behavior starts? 
Stephen Hunter Added May 8, 2018 - 9:00pm
Dave, Yes I agree that certainty in outcomes makes the absolute sciences easier to accept. However uncertainty and outliers do exist in humanity. Even in physics when you get to the quantum level, things get weird. Doesn't mean though that we stop studying things and trying to understand. 
Stephen Hunter Added May 8, 2018 - 9:06pm
Mike I could not agree more. Decisions(and actions)  without emotion, are the best. We would have a lot less conflict if people asked logical questions before getting into a fight. 
Michael B. Added May 8, 2018 - 11:34pm
Stephen, along with John M. and Bill K., you are among the voices of sanity and reason here on WB as far as I'm concerned, but I think you went "too far Right" with this one, lol. Whatever the quadrants of any given mind that they may occupy, jealousy and revenge are among the most cruel of mistresses to the human soul and usually account for the vast majority of the messed-up things people say and/or do toward one another.
Stephen Hunter Added May 9, 2018 - 7:27am
Thank-you Michael for your nice compliment. :)
Did I go too far right? hmmm It is all a question of balance, and I certainly have acted too far right and too far left in the course of my life so far, that much I do know. 
Doug Plumb Added May 9, 2018 - 10:07am
re "Why are we not offering a course in bullying before the bullying behavior starts? "
 
I think kids need to learn to get along and with eleven and twelve year old's that involves throwing a few punches. The worse that happens is someone gets a bloody lip. But if you bottle it up, reason tells you that it will explode eventually. Go after bullies now and you end up with shooters later. It takes young boys about 2 or 3 years to get out of the fighting stage and none of them really hurt each other. The most that ever happened to me was a bloody lip or a black eye. You learn to think better - people get bullied because they act irrational in one way or another - bullies sort of correct people most times, sometimes they too are being bullied by their father or whoever, but the cure is worse than  the sickness.
If I had a 12 year old come home with a black eye, I'd send him to boxing lessons, not go cry to some teacher.
Stone-Eater Added May 9, 2018 - 2:04pm
Lynn
 
Yawn. I don't want me or my ideas to be labeled as left or right! 
 
That goes for all you leftist loons and fence sitting moderates…
 
Being ironic ? :-)
Stone-Eater Added May 9, 2018 - 2:09pm
Doug
 
When I was 7 there was a bully guy of about 9 who never let me enter the classroom in time in the morning. He stood on top of the stairs and scared me away, I arrived too late and the teacher got at me. 
 
My mother was informed that I was often late, and I didn't dare to talk of that guy. Then, one day, I kind of remembered Bonanza, got up to him and threw my little fist right into his face. He went down weeping, I went into class head up high....and finally my mother got fined because "I attacked a kid in school"....
TexasLynn Added May 9, 2018 - 2:20pm
SE >> Lynn... Being ironic ? :-)
Sarcasm?  Mockery?  Irony?  I'm very versatile. :)
Stone-Eater Added May 9, 2018 - 2:22pm
Lynn
 
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Stephen Hunter Added May 9, 2018 - 5:09pm
Texas(or do you prefer Lynn?) do you understand that a world without people who think 'left' (not all of the time just some), would be a world without music, art, or anything creative?  Wars would escalate and the human race would kill itself off? (because that is exactly what would happen if people shut off the left side of our thinking process) 
Stephen Hunter Added May 9, 2018 - 5:13pm
Doug, I do not agree with your thoughts on bullying. Yes some may be able to work it out by standing up to the bully, however I think that is the minority. I just know that a lot of suffering happens because of it. And that also happens with adults. That is how the mob intimidates people. 
TexasLynn Added May 9, 2018 - 5:40pm
Stephen >> Texas (or do you prefer Lynn?)
 
Either/or or both. :)
 
My comment on a "world with no liberals" was a bit tongue in cheek, but I'll bite. :)
 
Stephen >> do you understand that a world without people who think 'left' (not all of the time just some), would be a world without music, art, or anything creative?
 
Where did I say we need a world without "left brain" (translated as artsy and creative) thinkers as you put it?  You seem to equate the social and political left/liberal with left brain thinking when it's convenient and not when it's not.
 
But that begs the question, do you think only social and political “left wingers” (since that is the only group I mentioned figuratively doing away with) are the only people who have capacity to use the creative/left side of their brains (even just some)?  Following that stereotype, are there no gay conservatives?  Riley Brown!  Help me out!  Where are you! :)
 
Stephen >> Wars would escalate and the human race would kill itself off?
 
And... following this logic... only social/political conservatives practice the art of war?  Wooof... where to begin to knock down that stereotype?
Stephen Hunter Added May 9, 2018 - 7:39pm
Texas(I prefer that one) I was just trying to bring back the dialogue to the premise of my post. Of course I believe those who vote or politically align with Right-Wing parties, can and do think creatively. Some of my musician friends are Right Wing politically. (one in particular is alt-Right) However when we jam out tunes, there is no politics, just creativity happening. 
It was certainly not my intent to have a Left vs Right slug-fest politically. Now on the other hand if I would have crafted a title such as Creative vs Survival brain, probably would not have got the number of great comments and thoughts expressed. (because fewer would have bothered to read it) 
 
And no I am not saying that only conservatives want to fight. I am saying that those who activate that side of their brain more often, get into more fights. 
And I agree that some who are Left politically, tend to think they are smarter and their ego swells up because they have traveled more and  are University educated. That is the right brain causing them to behave that way. 
Doug Plumb Added May 9, 2018 - 9:48pm
re "When I was 7 there was a bully guy of about 9 who never let me enter the classroom in time in the morning. He stood on top of the stairs and scared me away, I arrived too late and the teacher got at me. 
 
My mother was informed that I was often late, and I didn't dare to talk of that guy. Then, one day, I kind of remembered Bonanza, got up to him and threw my little fist right into his face. He went down weeping, I went into class head up high....and finally my mother got fined because "I attacked a kid in school"....  "
 
A similar thing happened to me.
wsucram15 Added May 9, 2018 - 11:31pm
Lynn absolutely you should look at everything with some positivity including your homeland.  We as citizens do the right things though, if we allow the wrong people to control things.
 
We are only going to partially agree on political ideology. I dont think most people would agree communism is a liberal ideology. It is more of a classic conservative ideology. Now fascism champions the little guy against the elites, which sounds familiar to me. However it is full of contradictions. It goes on from there...
 
Look..there is no moral high ground.  We are all the same. We eat sleep and shit.  Period.
Sorry. We are all the same. Ideologies aside. 
 
If we dont stop arguing of this stupid crazy crap, millions of people will die.
Thats all I have been saying for almost 4 years now.
It has to stop.
 
 
TexasLynn Added May 9, 2018 - 11:49pm
Stephen >> Texas(I prefer that one)
 
Accurate enough. :)
 
Stephen >> I was just trying to bring back the dialogue to the premise of my post... It was certainly not my intent to have a Left vs Right slug-fest politically.
 
Then you probably should have found better wording to try and make your point.  I have to agree with Neil Lock above.  "You made it look as it was "left wing" logic versus "right wing" reaction. And you reaped the comments you sowed... "
 
BUT you got the hits and comments... you'll have to decide if it was worth it. :)
 
Even if you changed the terminology to red/blue, up/down, or star-bellied/plain-bellied ... I stand by my assessments.  Hope you do too. :)
Michael B. Added May 10, 2018 - 12:41am
Stephen, I meant to say that if you used "Right Side" of the mind instead of "Right Wing", your post would have been interpreted and/or received differently, but I have a sneaking suspicion that you planned it that way, lol.
TexasLynn Added May 10, 2018 - 12:55am
Jeanne >> Lynn absolutely you should look at everything with some positivity including your homeland.
 
Am I really seen as that negative?  That can't be.  I've never considered myself an optimist, but neither a pessimist... just a realist to the point of being a revolutionary in times when universal deceit. (see Orwell)
 
And if there are three things I truly am positive about; it's God, Family, and Country (in that order).  In terms of the last (my homeland), we are the best dam nation that exists, ever has existed, and likely ever will on this earth.  I would do anything, short of betraying the first two, to right that ship.
 
Jeanne >> We are only going to partially agree on political ideology.
 
OK... discussing those differences is one reason I'm here.  Let me have it...
 
Jeanne >> I dont think most people would agree communism is a liberal ideology.
 
I can only see that if we're talking about "classical" liberalism (akin to modern conservatism) ... but I missed the word "classical" in your description.  So, I have to a assume you mean the term as used today.  In that sense, I don't see how anyone can have that opinion.  Liberal ideology values the collective over the individual as a defining characteristic.  Communism is the holy grail of collective and thus liberal ideology.
 
Jeanne >> It is more of a classic conservative ideology.
 
I don't know... It's definitely not classic liberalism (which does value equality of individuals and limited government) ... but I've always thought of classic conservative ideology as placing great value on class and tradition... which Communism certainly does not and even seeks to destroy.
 
Jeanne >> Look..there is no moral high ground. 
 
On THAT we disagree.  I don't claim to hold it, but I do claim it exists.
 
If He exists, God holds it (and I do believe in Him), so there you go.  On the flip side, if he does not exist (as many here believe), then you are right there is no moral high ground because there is no morality.  But that is an existential question we must all answer for ourselves.
 
Jeanne >> We are all the same. We eat sleep and shit.  Period.
 
On that we do agree.  "There is no one righteous, no not one."
 
Jeanne >> Sorry. We are all the same. Ideologies aside.
 
No apology necessary.  WE... are all the same. 
 
Ideologies are not... not by a long shot.  Some are far superior than others (producing prosperity and protecting liberty) and some are far more evil (yes evil) to the point of producing death by the millions.  This is not theory.  It is history.
TexasLynn Added May 10, 2018 - 12:56am
Jeanne >> If we dont stop arguing of this stupid crazy crap, millions of people will die.  Thats all I have been saying for almost 4 years now.  It has to stop.
 
The last time millions of people collectively died on this earth it was because the world embraced... the leftist/liberal/collective ideology of ... Communism.  We have not evolved to the point where that threat is gone or even diminished.  THOSE are revolutionary truths I speak in these times of universal deceit.  If I am to be labeled "negative" or “divisive” or “hateful” for speaking them... so be it.
 
I'm sorry if I can't meet your expectation of assigning moral equivalence to ideologies.  It's not in my nature to pretend dark is light or vice versa.  I don't think we'll save millions by stopping the arguments about "crazy crap".  Ignoring or pretending crazy crap isn't crazy is what will get us killed... by the millions.  It's happened before, it can EASILY happen again.
Stone-Eater Added May 10, 2018 - 4:24am
Lynn
 
And if there are three things I truly am positive about; it's God, Family, and Country (in that order).  In terms of the last (my homeland), we are the best dam nation that exists, ever has existed, and likely ever will on this earth.  I would do anything, short of betraying the first two, to right that ship.
 
That's ok with me as long as you do it at home and not abroad. Why ? Because I guess each of us who loves his home (or another) country would like to see it in good shape for the future of our kids. And not being torn in wars by countries who never seem to have enough and want to extend endlessly by invading or simply buying / replacing existing governments and structures. Each culture has its right to exists, as has each religion. As long as they respect others who are different, and stay home.
Stone-Eater Added May 10, 2018 - 4:27am
BTW: "We're the best damn nation" is subjective and YOUR personal opinion. If others say the same of their nation, what do you do ? Fight them because they're "wrong" in YOUR eyes ? The word is tolerance.
Stephen Hunter Added May 10, 2018 - 7:45am
Texas I certainly do stand by my assessments of the human psyche. The political stuff is so muddy, who says what and who believes this, that and the other thing, is just a never ending dialogue. As long as we are talking and keeping emotions out of it, that is good. 
At the end of the day though I do believe that there are forces behind the scenes, controlled by Big Business, who want to keep the masses fighting with one another. They pay people(trolls) to keep the left and right leaning people pointing fingers at one another, while they keep sending money to off-shore banks. There is no money in peace!
Stephen Hunter Added May 10, 2018 - 7:48am
Michael I think you may be right, that would have been a better title. And Texas, if I did it again would probably not use such a polarizing title. 
Stone-Eater Added May 10, 2018 - 7:53am
Stephen
 
There is no money in peace!
 
Wrong. Money and survival (which the first secures if we like it or not) provide peace. No food means anarchy and war.
Stone-Eater Added May 10, 2018 - 7:55am
BTW: And to prevent war on our own soils we make war in exterior and exploit others to make sure that WE won't get into such a situation....
Stephen Hunter Added May 10, 2018 - 8:15am
Stone I meant for the MIC in this case. I guess that you could say that war does keep people employed. In addition the fear caused by war, makes people consume goods at a faster rate than normal. (hoarding as a reflex when feeling threatened) 
War is good for the economy. But is it worth the overall human suffering it causes? I say NO. 
TexasLynn Added May 10, 2018 - 8:27am
SE >> Each culture has its right to exists, as has each religion. As long as they respect others who are different…
 
Agreed... the peaceful ones have that right.
 
SE >> "We're the best damn nation" is subjective and YOUR personal opinion.
 
Never said it wasn't
 
SE >> If others say the same of their nation, what do you do ?
 
Buy them a beer.  Did I ever imply I would do anything else?
 
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Stephen >> The political stuff is so muddy, who says what and who believes this, that and the other thing, is just a never ending dialogue.
 
Agreed as least to its muddy nature.  But I don't think it really should end and that my is point... lest we forget history.
 
You and I have some fundamental disagreements... not the least of which were addressed in this article and are generally shared by the general left-wing (yes left) in society; that being the very concept of human social evolution and our needed response to it.
 
I don't believe there is such a thing as human social evolution; thus, the need to suppress our "right-wing" brain is ill advised if we are to survive as societies and cultures.  In fact, as alluded to in my last comment to Jeanne... I think doing so would be very dangerous.
 
It's nothing personal... I'm sure you fundamentally disagree with much of what I think.
 
Stephen >> At the end of the day though I do believe that there are forces behind the scenes, controlled by Big Business, who want to keep the masses fighting with one another.
 
A lot of people think, that... especially on WB.  And I'll concede there is a logic to it.  Personally, I don't think it's an organized conspiracy so much as a constant nature of man that has probably existed our entire history... thus proof that... we've not evolving.  Today, perhaps because of technology, that nature is amplified as many things have become.
 
Stephen >> They pay people(trolls) to keep the left and right leaning people pointing fingers...
 
Highly overrated in my opinion as to its effectiveness.  We wouldn't even be having this discussion had the left won the last U.S. Presidential election.  It is largely an invented enemy, a lashing out, an excuse for their failure in my opinion.
 
Stephen >> There is no money in peace!
 
I would disagree.  There is just different money in peace... it's called trade.
 
Stephen >>  And Texas, if I did it again would probably not use such a polarizing title.
 
To be clear... I think the intentional polarization was there (in the title and the body).  I'm OK with that, in that it draws attention and gets people to read your material.  Just understand that it's a two-edged sword. :)
 
Would changing a few labels have had any affect as far as my comments... maybe a little; but I still disagree with the whole premise of your article as I hope I have made clear.  Again... nothing personal... just an objective, rational, left-brained observation. :)
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 12, 2018 - 11:14am
"And is there hope for a better, more tranquil existence?"
 
History teaches nothing of this sort for the last 5000 years. 
wsucram15 Added May 14, 2018 - 1:55am
Lynn..
communism while about government control is not a liberal idealism...Im sure you know the difference between welfare to the poor and control of peoples minds to the point where its against the law to read a bible.  
How can you compare FDRs Social liberalism to Hitlers
national socialism (a right wing flavor btw).  Stalins Communism was so close to national socialism its almost the center spectrum for the authoritative left/right.  In other words, dead center of them both.  Almost but not quite.
I believe in balancing everything, not too much of one thing or the other.  I dont like communists and I dont like fascism,  
Doug Plumb Added May 14, 2018 - 8:01am
re ""And is there hope for a better, more tranquil existence?"
 
History teaches nothing of this sort for the last 5000 years.   "
 
Its not possible until people unite on the idea of what is right and wrong. Only Christians have a universal law. In Christianity, authority comes from law. In all other systems, law comes from authority.
Humanity can only find peace and be united under a common law. That common law turns out to be rational, expressible, easily understood and we have a 2000 year old science (jurisprudence) to implement it.
TexasLynn Added May 14, 2018 - 10:09am
 Jeanne >> Communism while about government control is not a liberal idealism...
 
Again, as a disclaimer, I'm talking about liberalism as defined today... not classical.
 
I don't judge liberalism by its ideals and good intentions which I think are genuine, I judge it by its objective results.  Liberalism (objectively) gravitates heavily towards collectivism (at the expense of individual liberty) and does so though government coercion.  Communism shares both of those defining traits, thus my assertion they are more similar and dis-similar.
 
Jeanne >> Im sure you know the difference between welfare to the poor and control of peoples minds to the point where its against the law to read a bible.
 
Absolutely... unfortunately the difference is often simply one of "progression" down the socialist path.  We should thank God, we're not as far down that path, and do everything we can to go no further.
 
Jeanne >> How can you compare FDRs Social liberalism to Hitlers national socialism (a right wing flavor btw). 
 
Both embrace the socialist idealism of the state taking from the whole and distributing to the many.  Both suffer the fundamental flaw of socialism in that it discourages production and individualism and embraces the ideals of equal misery for all.
 
Was Hitler's implementation much more violent and evil?  Yes.  That does not equate to being polar opposites.
 
Jeanne >> Stalins Communism was so close to national socialism
 
On this we agree, partially.  The whole reason the German communists and the socialists hated each other so much was that they were fighting for the hearts and minds of the same group of people... the left.  If they split that support neither would ever achieve power and both knew it.
 
Neither was courting the right; those who believed in free markets and individual liberty and freedom.  Today, in Europe, we again see the dominance of the leftist courting the same people; with token resistance coming from the right.
 
Jeanne >> its almost the center spectrum for the authoritative left/right.  In other words, dead center of them both.  Almost but not quite.
 
On this we disagree.  Socialism and Communism are leftist ideologies; socialism just being a kinder gentler form of Communism.  As with many nations they both often lead to the same result; totalitarians looting the wealth of the people and nations entrusted to them. 
 
China now has more billionaires than the U.S.  What is Putin (and his buddies) worth?  What is the net worth of the Castro family?  What is the net worth of the Chavez family?  Communism?  Socialism?  Same path, same basic ideology… same results.
 
Fascism, in my opinion, is less of an ideology than a means, a vehicle, any ideology can use.
 
Jeanne >> I believe in balancing everything, not too much of one thing or the other.
 
I believe that applies to a great many things, mostly in terms of personal consumption... but there are important exceptions; especially when it comes to world views.
 
When one can objectively look at something (from its results) as bad (or even evil) you reject it completely.  Examples would include: communism, socialism, fascism, and Islam (a religious form of fascism).
 
From a religious perspective, I also believe you embrace your faith completely or not at all.  Jesus said (and I'm paraphrasing) you're either with me with all your heart OR I will reject you.
 
Politically, I've always agreed of Barry Goldwater concerning extremism and moderation...  "Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in pursuit of justice is no virtue.”
 
Jeanne >> I dont like communists and I dont like fascism, 
 
Ahhh!  Final agreement!  Except, I would add socialism just being communism lite.
 
Thanks for the discussion.
Katharine Otto Added May 14, 2018 - 3:24pm
Stephen,
Back to your initial topic, the brain:  The brain generates the same stress hormones whether the threat is imagined or real.  In other words, movie thrillers, TV news, nightmares, worry about the future and other emotion-grabbing thoughts can lead to release of the same cortico-steroids, adrenaline, and other hormones that raise blood pressure, dilate eyes, cause goose-flesh, tense muscles, and all the other stress-related physical responses.  In our society, we live in a constant state of arousal, and usually in situations when neither fighting nor fleeing is practical.  Not only does this make people "quick on the trigger," but it leads to stress-related health problems, such as hypertension, diabetes, and arthritis.
 
Also, you mention fighting or fleeing, but a little-recognized behavioral adaptation in animals is freezing.  I believe people do this, too, which may explain some of our political and economic stagnation.  When you don't know what to do, sometimes you do nothing, repress fears and end up depressed or addicted.  This goes for politicians, too. 
 
Not everyone wants peace, or we wouldn't have so many wars.  There are what I would call "adrenaline junkies" who love horror stories, thrillers, and combat.  You say war stimulates the economy, an overworked statement, but peace also stimulates the economy.  The Renaissance occurred during a time of peace. 
 
Finally, no matter how "rational" people think they are, every perception is filtered first through the thalamus, the pain center, then through the limbic system, the emotional center, before going to the frontal cortex which is the so-called "reasoning" portion of the brain, so every thought is filtered through the emotions.  Emotions are given short-shrift, but they are the batteries that give power to thought.  I would say they should be encouraged but monitored and allowed to work with reason for maximum use of brain power.
 
Stephen Hunter Added May 15, 2018 - 10:05pm
Thank-you Katherine for bringing this back to my original topic! 
Great facts on how our brains actually work- thanks again!
 
Heard a great quote from an Eckhart Tolle webinar today;
"The Past is History
The Future a Mystery
The Present is a gift" 
 
The mind is simply a tool, our thoughts are not our true self, there is something beyond; consciousness, awareness that exists only in the present moment. 
Jeff Michka Added May 27, 2018 - 7:38pm
Asking TraitorLynn about his "homeland" is a tough thing for TL to answer.  TL and his pards would have to grab and hold on to a lot of private assets and infrastructure in his romantic "United States of White People, remembering TL wants a civil war to physically divide America.  As a traitor, he has no homeland, past or future, IMO, but to him duplicity is a way of life. 

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