The Temperament of the Right: Fear

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It is said that FEAR is a primal instinct, they are right! 

 

In these politically charged times ...

 

-THE FEAR is REAL but it is not against the Lion, it is against anything which challenges just values and laws; and threatens to water them down to meaningless words which do not inspire heroism or patriotism in the largest sense.  We need things which put us to the test to bring out the best in us, the best in humanity.  The Peace and Love the left speaks of reminds me of the hippy movement of the 60's. Today, politically,  it seems the yuppies want to return to what didn't work before and drag our entire Nation down with them. 

 Maybe the Mexican drugs are working better than all other modern weapons.

 

IT MAY BE UNFORTUNATE THAT what we think and believe today is who we are today.  It is not the Lion which scares us anymore it is the KISS of betrayal it is the ushering in of NEW Ideas and things which we haven't been able to agree with or accept to have come into our life. 

It is someone smiling and saying "Come, let us drink our fill of love until morning; Let us delight ourselves with caresses. "For my husband is not at home, He has gone on a long journey; He has taken a bag of money with him, At the full moon he will come home." With her many persuasions she entices him; With her flattering lips she seduces him.  Suddenly he follows her As an ox goes to the slaughter, Or as one in fetters to the discipline of a fool, Until an arrow pierces through his liver; As a bird hastens to the snare, So he does not know that it will cost him his life."  (proverbs)

 

WE ARE BEING BRAINWASHED, That is, our LIVES are who we are in our thoughts, beliefs and feelings and they are being threatened and erased.  I am sure on both sides, however letting down our guard is not wise.  

 

Yes all the warm and fuzzies are wonderful but not at the cost of principles.   This might be the difference between the Right and the Left.  The Left has no anchor, no harbor, no principle.. it floats around humanity and is tossed on every wave, blown with every wind. BUT....  

..The RIGHT stands in Principle, perhaps in Law,  perhaps in God's law, that is, those laws which most just men can see are precious and good and in that stand we deny wrong or unjust laws. 

 

Why does the Right feel backed up in the corner ready to fight,  maybe because during the last years of the Obama regime we found our Country seemingly slipping into totalitarianism.  We wondered why the Congressional elected Repubs didn't fight back during the Obama years, now we have a good idea, they were threatened with lawsuits or with revealing hidden loves, OR they were bought off and thrown a piece of the meat,  likely prize for an Alligator in the swamp.  We find our justice system is compromised, politically charged, polarized and without blindness.

Nevertheless,  Those who have not been compromised by anyone or anything or the Left continue to stand upholding true justice, true heroism, true patriotism and a hope to inspire others to stand also.

 

IT IS FOR OUR VALUES, our tenets, our lives that WE ARE in Danger and we must fight the good fight so we can still say, -I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith. (kjv)

 

The RIGHT needs to stay in power, not because we are always right, but because we care enough about the Left and ourselves to fight for, defend, and protect our safety, prosperity, and all of our rights to pursue happiness.

 

If you agree we have a primal instinct,

a temperament to fight when threatened,

perhaps you are right.

 

Comments

Ari Silverstein Added May 8, 2018 - 9:18am
The Congressional elected Republicans did fight back during the Obama years.  Unfortunately, for two of those years the Congressional elected Democrats held filibuster proof control over Congress, so there was nothing the GOP could do.  After those two years, Obama ruled via executive order.  However, because Democrats supported Obama’s lawlessness, the Republicans didn’t have the votes to stop him. 
 
As for the rest of your article, outside of being passionate about the Right, I’m not sure what it is you’re advocating.  What specifically are you suggesting the Right does to prevent our slip into totalitarianism?
 
What/who is this Lion you keep mentioning?
Thomas Sutrina Added May 8, 2018 - 12:11pm
Kurt welcome to WB.  Ari and Kurt, do you really consider McConnell or Ryan and much of our GOP congressmen are on the right side?  Who do you think passed the 'Repeal in Name Only' bills in the House of Representatives?  Who do you think in the Senate wrote a similar bill and didn't pass the same bill that passed the House and Senate to repeal Obama Care and was placed on Obama's Desk to Sign?  They knew it would get VETOED and not be overridden.  Ryan used the VETO as a chance to campaign by saying, I am working to elect a GOP President in the 2016 election so I can place this repeal of Obama Care bill on his desk and he will SIGN IT!   We are still waiting Paul!   McConnell's TV re-election campaign said he is working hard and leading the effort to repeal Obama Care.  We are still waiting Mitch?
 
Senator Jeff Sessions now Attorney General is a member of the RINO GOP party along with McConnell, Ryan, and the majority of the congressmen in both houses.  They and the Democrats are fighting to oppose Trump.  They support loosing the House to the Democrats in 2018 as the best means of stopping reform.  They are part of the swamp, plane and simple.  The GOP in primaries is more ruthless against conservative candidates then they are against there Democratic general election candidates.  Why is that?
Thomas Sutrina Added May 8, 2018 - 12:36pm
Tea Party is a failure for two reasons.  The first is that the IRS was used to destroy its fund raising capacity.  The GOP could have stopped it but they wanted the Tea Party destroyed as much as the Democrats.  And second the swamp infiltrated the leadership ranks.  They change the direction of the tea party enough to drive away supporters.  But the people of the Tea Party that is a spontaneous movement didn't need leadership to latch on to Cruz or Trump for President.  
 
Senator Jeff Sessions infiltrated the ranks of Trump supporters as I am sure others in order to get placed in a position where he could protect the deep state.  And he has succeeded.  Why do you thing the swamp supporters in the Senate easily approved of him becoming Attorney General and oppose most of the other candidates and have prevented his removal.  
 
The nature of liberty is still infused into the society of America.  The teaching of liberty has stopped in the schools, but when it is part of society just as Christianity is part of society it takes much more time to extinguish it then a century, we have not been brainwashed enough to change the spontaneous spirit in America for liberty. 
 
The abolition movement of the second half of the 1800's  is a similar spontaneous movement.  The election of Reagan and the resounding re-election of Reagan unprecedented, taking 49 states, in American history is the first indication of the response to liberty.   The candidates that the GOP have put up are RINO's so I do not know the outcome of the 2018 elections.  Trump will be better off with a GOP controlled House and Senate but the majority needs to be slim.  The people need to send a clear message to the RINO's their days are numbered.
TexasLynn Added May 8, 2018 - 2:15pm
Kurt,
Interesting article.  I liked the biblical references.  Understand such is often considered sacrilege here on WB.
 
As is evident in my writings, I do indeed fear and mourn what we have lost in this country.  That loss will not subside until we collapse under the weight of our transgressions.  I've always just seen this as the natural order and progression of republics.  We're at the end of the life-cycle of ours.  As to what brings us down, it will be the same as Rome... moral decay; everything else is just a symptom of that.
 
We agree on the nature of the left vs rights struggle.  In a religious context...
 
“When men choose not to believe in God, they do not thereafter believe in nothing, they then become capable of believing in anything.” ― G.K. Chesterton
 
With the secular left we see this to be true ... anything goes.
 
I'm not very optimistic about our national chances (or even that of western civilization); but will fight on anyway.  I'm not commanded by my Boss to win (He took care of that for us).  He just wants us to fight and run the good race. :)
 
As Thomas, pointed out, we shouldn't make the mistake of associating the right with the establishment GOP.  They are not the same and in fact are against each other in purpose.
 
Ari >> What/who is this Lion you keep mentioning?
 
I had the same question.  The symbolism, to me, brought to mind the Lion of Judah which in the book of Revelation symbolized Jesus Christ.
 
Kurt may share his intended meaning with us.
Benjamin Goldstein Added May 8, 2018 - 2:31pm
Kurt. Welcome at WB. I am not a fan of Obama's, but I think "totalitarian" is a wee bit over the top. I think Clinton would have been a real danger. She wanted to shut down Drudge and Breitbart. That says it all.
 
Now, you still have a conservative president who can veto crazy stuff that comes from the new Congress. I think that Trump is not reliable, but let's wait with the heavy complaints until something really is in the pipe. Noise only defeats real warnings.
Dino Manalis Added May 8, 2018 - 2:34pm
It all begins with morals and values, without them, there's trouble and then chaos!
Jim Perlow Added May 8, 2018 - 4:19pm
Thank you for your words.  The global movement began over 2 decades ago and has blurred the lines between Republicans who protect business assets, mergers and influence over the global economy and the Democrats who protect governments control over the global economy.  Like a lot of Americans, I felt like the battle of democracy and freedom was coming to a rapid close.  Then out of the business world came Donald Trump.  I confess I did vote for him because I agreed with a lot of things he pointed out when seeking the office of the President.  He represented an off chance the troubling issues could be first brought out in the open and then hopefully corrected.  3.9% unemployment, the highest employment of both Black and Hispanic people, a renewed confidence in the nations economy, etc. etc. etc.   Ancient script says " Let he without sin cast the first stone"  Guess what, everyone with a stone dropped them immediately.  President Trump is not without a lot of faults, which pretty much aligns with everyone who has held this office.  However, unlike the others, he has managed to move the ball forward in spite of the constant beating he takes from those who simply believe the people of this nation have a debt to pay to the rest of the developing world.  The deep state is proving to be more of a real threat than we wanted to believe and it extends to both Republican incumbents as well as Democrats.  I also am thinking the RINOs who are vacating house and senate seats before the next election is a last ditch effort to give those who oppose this administration a better chance of winning seats, knowing how difficult it is to beat someone already in office.  
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 8, 2018 - 5:55pm
Benjamin Goldstein
 
" I think Clinton would have been a real danger. She wanted to shut down Drudge and Breitbart. That says it all."
 
Censorship and control of the media was nearly first on the Lenin list of what to do after absolute power was achieved. Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Mugabe and others approve of this tactic. The Khmer Rouge use this also to good advantage. 
 
I do not trust either Clinton. 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added May 8, 2018 - 6:17pm
The nature of liberty is still infused into the society of America.  So long as that is true socialism will always be opposed.  Liberty stuck up its head in worse places.  Czech Republic, Poland, all the USSR conquered states, Cuba, USSR, and China.  It is the nature of man to want liberty so it must be crushed for many generations to be extinguish.   Roma took many centuries before it collapsed.
 
Democratic Socialist believe that can take liberty away with welfare.  Yes they can diminish liberty but since the state must transfer wealth to buy the votes and the price as Rome learned always increases.  Those that they rob the wealth from will resist at some point.  Then to continue it must be done at the end of a barrel of a gun.  Europe and America have tried to get around the Roman problem by importing people that are use to less, taking control of life and death with state health care programs, and by taking away guns.  This I believe will only delay the revolt of those that pay.
Stephen Hunter Added May 8, 2018 - 9:20pm
Kurt, yes we do need to keep our principles intact, however you have to admit that a certain amount of change and evolution is also good. It is all about balance, like many things are. 
Take Kodak for example. They refused to accept that digital photography was the way of the future, and they died. 
Kurt Bresler Added May 9, 2018 - 1:22am
@Ari Silverstein   first the Lion is in reference to primal fears it is only to say the RIGHT has moved far beyond neanderthal thinking which the Right is accused of constantly.
 
Secondly, one point to hold off Oligarchy and Totalitarianism is the move away from Political polarization which is causing each party to go for the jugular when creating new Bills or Laws, however, such a move seems futile considering the vitriolic hate which is being fermented. 
 
Those in power should uphold right, moral, and ethical standards for themselves as well as expecting such standards as the norm and the foundation of Good governance.  This again seems futile because our society has slipped so far away from these standards in everyday life.  However, there has been some cleaning house lately.
 
For both parties it means respect for each other, rule of law and our system of government.
 
The only real long term move to help this country is to begin a movement back to the basic principles of expecting and providing that a family can exist in a safe and secure environment allowing the parents and children to flourish.   
Each new generation is falling steadily behind in such expectations.
The above premise requires a belief in the family and extended family as the basic building block of society.   As the family has deteriorated the country has deteriorated. 
 The Middle class has been the bulwark and framework of strength and power and it must be restored.    It requires good jobs/income for the parents.  It requires bringing back pride in our duties, work ethics, and an understanding of helping others by guiding them into their best work environments. 
 We must have expanded development of law enforcement which goes beyond jailing and into whole person rehabilitation with required mental and health screening and required schooling. 
We must have Law enforcement goals which can get a grip on crime and eliminate the view of allowing continual crime as a source of job security for law enforcement personnel. 
We must realize that as a country we must invest in our children, not by throwing money at them, school systems, or teachers but by expecting results in the creation of a sense of Well-being, with goals which build their spirit, character, knowledge, and wisdom.  The Family, Parents, and Children are the key to rebuilding this nation and we must re-recognize their value.  
This I think, would be a good start.
 
Kurt Bresler Added May 9, 2018 - 1:56am
@Thomas Sutrina  Thank you for your comments. I especially liked this one-
"The nature of liberty is still infused into the society of America.  The teaching of liberty has stopped in the schools, but when it is part of society just as Christianity is part of society it takes much more time to extinguish it then a century, we have not been brainwashed enough to change the spontaneous spirit in America for liberty."
I hope you are right, the generation in our colleges today are seeking socialism and a free ride and probably would like the government to create a cushy job for each of them.  The younger generation in High Schools have little respect for their parents or the school.  As the Government all but did away with the physical disciplinary rights of parents and schools.
Kurt Bresler Added May 9, 2018 - 2:23am
@TexasLynn   It is a wonderful feeling to have others understand and agree with the principles we must stand on.  Unfortunately,  as it seems America only has a certain few who will stand as a catalyst for change.  We have all but lost our school systems as they have become a place for liberal college students to find a government job there may not be much hope for Western Civilization to turn away from it's sickness. 
What I think is we could use is a few inspired Christian Evangelist to break loose from the chains and walls of their million dollar churches and start touring the Country or maybe the Lord would raise up a newbie.
Thomas >>As Thomas, pointed out, we shouldn't make the mistake of associating the right with the establishment GOP.  They are not the same and in fact are against each other in purpose.
I agree the Swamp creatures are waterlogged, however,  I also cannot agree that keeping a certain agenda such as "Repealing Obama Care" proves a person is on the right either,  that is, the right I believe in would be working to see that the citizens, even if for the childrens sake, do not have to choose between going broke or staying sick.  I was self-employed for years and many days the doctor made more in 15 minutes than I made working all day. I do not begrudge the doctors but I do believe if we can help support other nations around the world we should at least take care of our own first.
Thank you for your comments, and yes I realize that ..sounds like ..we both are like fish out of water here on WB.
Kurt Bresler Added May 9, 2018 - 2:36am
Benjamin >>"I am not a fan of Obama's, but I think "totalitarian" is a wee bit over the top."
Considering the state of the DOJ, the FBI, the IRS, and most likely a host of other departments I think "Totalitarian" or "Oligarchy" could have been the goal.  As I sat back and watched Obama use the state department to attack Law enforcement as well as Christians I started to fear we had lost our country and the Repubs seemed to just ...do nothing.   Clinton, Rice, and Lynch all lied and almost like some white magic expected the country to just be mesmerized with their stories which anyone in their right mind could know they were telling fairy tales.  Powers and the unmasking of hundreds of persons?  I'm telling you Benjamin what else is RULING without any opposition?? And they were out to destroy the opposition and keep the country dumbed-down under some kind of Spiritual Dark Cloud, and I am not the only person who felt the Spiritual darkness, and I am not talking about the color of anyone's skin.
Kurt Bresler Added May 9, 2018 - 2:45am
Dino >> "It all begins with morals and values, without them, there's trouble and then chaos!"
I agree with you mostly, however, without Spiritual accountability morals and values can be subject change. 
" Isaiah 5:20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight! Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink,
 Who justify the wicked for a bribe, And take away the rights of the ones who are in the right! Therefore, as a flame of fire consumes stubble and dry grass collapses into the flame, So their root will become like rot and their blossom blow away as dust; For they have rejected the law of the LORD.
Kurt Bresler Added May 9, 2018 - 2:55am
Jim >> "He (Trump) represented an off chance the troubling issues could be first brought out in the open and then hopefully corrected. "
AND he continues to be the one who is brave enough to call out even the DOJ and the FBI,  you have to admit somewhere in that head and heart of his is a contempt for evil, maybe from his Christian roots,  who knows he might even take a look at his own self one day and be "sin" sick.   Reading your post was like "ditto" of how I felt.
Kurt Bresler Added May 9, 2018 - 3:03am
rycK >>  "I do not trust either Clinton."
I am almost to the mindset that the Clintons were on the road to furthering a one World Government and they might have succeeded if it had not been for the impeachment of Bill and the defeat of Hillary, I think Obama was like the shoe-in as the possible replacement World leader within this Oligarchy made up of the Clinton Foundation and major Corporations both American and Russian.  This is not from actual knowledge but from a preponderance of the evidence.
Kurt Bresler Added May 9, 2018 - 3:16am
Stephen >> "Kurt, yes we do need to keep our principles intact, however you have to admit that a certain amount of change and evolution is also good. It is all about balance, like many things are. 
Take Kodak for example. They refused to accept that digital photography was the way of the future, and they died. "
 
Funny you should mention Kodak, I have 3 of their digital cameras and they work great even though the company is kaput.
 
"Digital photography, the technology that decimated Kodak in the 1990s and 2000s, was originally a Kodak innovation. The company’s stubborn refusal to support the development that rivaled its core product, film, should be a cautionary tale to any major corporation and a sign to innovative start-ups that even the most monolithic corporations can become vulnerable."
 
Stephen, I certainly do believe in balance and also change is inevitable however there are certain principles in the heart and soul of man which are eternal. The problem of pride and power as well as other "sin" come to raise their ugly heads no matter the technology or modernity.  Of course somewhere down the line AI technology may overcome us humans and give us lobotomy of sorts to cure our greedy and sinful ways.
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 9, 2018 - 2:41pm
Kurt Bresler
 
"The Peace and Love the left speaks of reminds me of the hippy movement of the 60's. Today, politically,  it seems the yuppies want to return to what didn't work before and drag our entire Nation down with them. 
 Maybe the Mexican drugs are working better than all other modern weapons."
 
Truer words were never spoken Kurt! I was in SF starting in May 1965 and watched this monster grow. The Free Speech movement was the exact opposite of what the slogan appears to portend. They did not tolerate any other values or themes. 
 
Much of this is the inability to participate in capitalism on the part of the left. The  left have nothing to offer us except sloth. sodomy and drug addiction, the Three Pillars of Liberalism
 
Edgeucation Newmedia Added May 9, 2018 - 6:01pm
I do believe it's the Right's fear that helped get The Donald elected however I believe that politics in America is too divided. The Gridlock in Washington is accomplishing nothing. The one big thing that Republicans accomplished The Income Tax Overhaul will come back to haunt them for the next several election cycles. Common people will notice when they can no longer deduct their dependents, giving to charity or many of the other things that used to be deductible. There may be a lot of changes in the House in November because everybody is up for re-election. I wouldn't be surprised if a goodly number of the people there today are voted out before the close of 2018, this includes both Republicans and Democrats. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 10, 2018 - 8:45am
EN
 
"I do believe it's the Right's fear that helped get The Donald elected however I believe that politics in America is too divided. "
 
I think it was disgust directed at the criminals in the Party of Democrats and their tax-whoring and debt accumulation. 
Flying Junior Added May 12, 2018 - 3:23am
Yuppies?
 
That was the 1980s.
 
Indicative of just how out of touch you are with contemporary reality.
Flying Junior Added May 12, 2018 - 3:25am
The left have nothing to offer us except sloth. sodomy and drug addiction, the Three Pillars of Liberalism
 
No wonder you are such a sick puppy, Ryck.  You sound like a conservative Pastor Emeritus from a Baptist church in about 1987.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 12, 2018 - 11:10am
FJ: BIOYA
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 12, 2018 - 11:10am
FJ
 
BIOYA
Kurt Bresler Added May 13, 2018 - 5:42am
Sorry guys I couldn't log in yesterday, when I tried a little slim box came up with a button saying close.  
Kurt Bresler Added May 13, 2018 - 5:46am
Yuppies?
 
That was the 1980s.
 
Flying Junior,   get your facts straight.   But wait, I guess, I'm right already. lol
David Montaigne Added May 13, 2018 - 7:33am
I would hope for a political party that truly upholds family values and the ability of families to thrive.  As I see it, the Democrats want government to replace family, and have largely succeeded (*HA* hardly success) in some communities by allowing and encouraging the replacement of fathers with government welfare.  The Democratic Party, for America's own good (IMHO) should perish.  And then if Republicans fail to do what is best for stable families and strong individuals, that party should perish next.
Bill H. Added May 13, 2018 - 11:14am
Kurt - I am seeing more and more these days words of hate and division coming from those who profess to be Christians. I don't believe that this is representative of the majority, but a loud vocal minority who are Trump supporters, as Trump himself is a supporter of hate, discontent, and chaos.
I am not a religious person, but I believe it is everyone's right to believe what they want, and nobody's right to force religion on anyone.
I had always thought at one time that religious people cared for all peoples and creatures of the world, along with professing "brotherly love". What I am seeing lately totally counteracts those ideas and makes me begin to wonder if so-called "Christians" are being brainwashed.
Katharine Otto Added May 13, 2018 - 11:47am
Kurt,
I resist lumping people together in large categories of "right" and "left."  I would say fear rules the world, these days, and has been used through history to manipulate people into conforming to certain agendas.  Religion does it.  Politics does it.  Advertising does it, too.  Guilt is another control tactic that works when fear doesn't.
 
Thomas, 
I would contend that freedom is an ideal, but people have never learned to be free.  From birth, people are taught to conform to the rules and expectations of their cultures, for better or worse, and often learn no different.  
 
I think ultimately, education and exposure to those different from ourselves will lead to greater tolerance, which translates into greater freedom.  That is "live and let live," which needs a minimum of laws and other controls on thought and behavior.  
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 13, 2018 - 1:06pm
Bill H
 
"Kurt - I am seeing more and more these days words of hate and division coming from those who profess to be Christians. I don't believe that this is representative of the majority, but a loud vocal minority who are Trump supporters, as Trump himself is a supporter of hate, discontent, and chaos."
 
Both political and religious bias. The rabid left are not "supporter [s]of hate, discontent, and chaos.??
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 13, 2018 - 1:15pm
Katharine Otto
 
"I think ultimately, education and exposure to those different from ourselves will lead to greater tolerance, which translates into greater freedom.  That is "live and let live," which needs a minimum of laws and other controls on thought and behavior. "
 
This depends, critically, on who is teaching whom and what  the curriculum states in political and religious terms. The slogan "Death to America" comes from religious 'teachings' in Islamic countries. 
 
Recall we saw the USSR impose 74 years of intense political indoctrination upon the citizens much of which was based on provable lies and about half of current Russians still dream of the good old days under communism. Same argument can be applied to Venezuela, Cuba, NOKO, Iran and many more places. 
 
The transition to greater tolerance is a worthy goal but has not been shown to be effective to date. This is sad. We had 5000 years of continuous war to date and now our enemies insist  on getting nuclear weapons despite the 'education' on how destructive these weapons are. 
 
A great goal but unattainable in the near future it seems. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 13, 2018 - 1:27pm
David Montaigne 
 
"As I see it, the Democrats want government to replace family, and have largely succeeded (*HA* hardly success) in some communities by allowing and encouraging the replacement of fathers with government welfare.  The Democratic Party, for America's own good (IMHO) should perish."
 
The Dems [my worthless party] has been against the nuclear family for decades now as being a heavy burden on single mothers and other issues.  Some of this is both racial and political as such criticism allows some freedom for both white and black males to abandon their children so the state can provide monies for living expenses. Such dependency pushes such recipients to vote for Democrats who buy their votes with taxpayer monies.
Bill H. Added May 13, 2018 - 3:17pm
rycK - Myself being neither a Democrat or Republican, on this site and many others I observe almost all of the hate rhetoric and direct insults coming from those who profess to be "Conservatives".
It's too bad that the Search function doesn't work on this site because if you did a search on words like "scumbag", "idiot", "brainless", "bastards", "loser", "trash", "moron", or "hypocrite", I can guarantee you that in almost all cases it is being used by a self-professed "Conservative" against someone who they assume is a "Liberal".
Thomas Sutrina Added May 13, 2018 - 8:11pm
Bill H., you need to look outside the tunnel your have against Christianity >> I believe it is everyone's right to believe what they want, and nobody's right to force religion on anyone.>>  Democrats including George Soros fund Antifa which only in Democratic controlled municipalities were given free rain to use force.  They are the religion of Anarchy.  Most university campuses only in effect allow liberal speakers having double standards against conservatives.  Politicians are concern about upsetting Islam but actually fund contempt of Christian beliefs.  That even includes the actions of liberal Roman Catholic Bishops, New York City gala featured the  'bishop's mitre as part of a costume'. 
 
Katharine, so your saying that never has a culture of liberty existed? >> From birth, people are taught to conform to the rules and expectations of their cultures, >>   I can think of a few and people that expressed a philosophy during the Greek and Roman period, the culture in the Scandinavian with is high independent Vikings, the protestant revolution started by Martin Luther and the Classic Liberals philosophers that made England a democratic monarch and next the USA.  
Katharine Otto Added May 13, 2018 - 10:59pm
rycK,
Even an amoeba can learn.  With the world as interconnected as it is now, no one can effectively control what other people see and learn, not even the State, although the US propaganda machine does a good job of trying.  I probably should have said "experience" rather than "education," because no one has a monopoly on hate-mongering.
 
Thomas,
I don't have the knowledge to contest your claims, but you didn't live in those cultures and only know about them through reading.  Liberty was the ideal, but how many people actually had it?  The Greeks and Romans had slaves, and women had no rights.  Martin Luther lived in times when the church had enormous power over the people.  I know nothing about the Vikings.  The Brits were brutally controlling, especially of trade routes and their multitudinous colonies.  The USA has never been free as it purports to be, and we certainly don't show much tolerance for each other, much less the rest of the world.
 
 
Bill H. Added May 14, 2018 - 12:49am
 
Actually Thomas - Throughout history, religion has been the main cause of conflict, wars, and human division.
Kurt Bresler Added May 14, 2018 - 9:41am
@David M. 
"I would hope for a political party that truly upholds family values and the ability of families to thrive.  As I see it, the Democrats want government to replace family, and have largely succeeded (*HA* hardly success) in some communities by allowing and encouraging the replacement of fathers with government welfare.  The Democratic Party, for America's own good (IMHO) should perish.  And then if Republicans fail to do what is best for stable families and strong individuals, that party should perish next."
I agree with you wholeheartedly,  what good are Political parties if they choose to squabble over everything other than what is important and then do nothing of value.
@Bill "- I am seeing more and more these days words of hate and division coming from those who profess to be Christians. I don't believe that this is representative of the majority, but a loud vocal minority who are Trump supporters, as Trump himself is a supporter of hate, discontent, and chaos.
I am not a religious person, but I believe it is everyone's right to believe what they want, and nobody's right to force religion on anyone.
I had always thought at one time that religious people cared for all peoples and creatures of the world, along with professing "brotherly love". What I am seeing lately totally counteracts those ideas and makes me begin to wonder if so-called "Christians" are being brainwashed."
 Unfortunately Bill, I have to agree with most of what you say, I think that the true tenets of Christianity have been mostly overlooked and the ill will of humanity and political unrest as well as peer pressure to fit in have manage to cover many christians charity. however, I will say that the attitude and agenda of the left has brought the Religious right out of their slumber, shocking them into sobriety.  Many do not know how to fight for their rights without slander and vile words nor have they been taught to carry the cross of Christ in humility.
I agree no one should have religion forced upon them.  This is though,  another point which brings out the combative attitude of the right.  Considering Obama's welcome mat to Muslims which are known for pushing Islam on whole countries as well not to forget they believe in a prophesy that they are to do battle to pressure and force the whole world to become an Islamic Caliphate. 
Kurt Bresler Added May 14, 2018 - 9:59am
@Katharine "I resist lumping people together in large categories of "right" and "left."  I would say fear rules the world, these days, and has been used through history to manipulate people into conforming to certain agendas.  Religion does it.  Politics does it.  Advertising does it, too.  Guilt is another control tactic that works when fear doesn't."
 
Katherine I think I used the terms more to distinguish those who do lean more toward solid values vs those who do lean left.  I understand there is no clear dividing line to separate individuals but we can see more of a difference when discussing issues.  The Extreme left or extreme right are called evil even by the nonreligious.
"I think ultimately, education and exposure to those different from ourselves will lead to greater tolerance, which translates into greater freedom.  That is "live and let live," which needs a minimum of laws and other controls on thought and behavior."  
The only problem with this theory is that those who are "different from ourselves" (ie. Muslims) may have more of a tendency to control us with less tolerance than say Christian's have had in this country for the last 200 years.
Kurt Bresler Added May 14, 2018 - 10:07am
@rycK  "The Dems [my worthless party] has been against the nuclear family for decades now as being a heavy burden on single mothers and other issues.  Some of this is both racial and political as such criticism allows some freedom for both white and black males to abandon their children so the state can provide monies for living expenses. Such dependency pushes such recipients to vote for Democrats who buy their votes with taxpayer monies."   
rycK, I have been or was a registered dem right up until this year when I decided I had had it with the extreme movement to the Left by the party.  I voted for Obama twice but the edging away from Christianity and toward Islam along with the LGBTQ  movement with the colors on the White House was more than I could bear.
I do believe that the Democrats have to keep social problems going so they will have some kind of platform to rally the masses, just like Trump said about them not wanting to seriously work on passing immigration reform; -they need that platform for future elections.
And as far as buying votes, that is fact.
Thomas Sutrina Added May 14, 2018 - 10:20am
Bill H. you need to improve the accuracy of your statement, details matter: "Actually Thomas - Throughout history, religion has been the main cause of conflict, wars, and human division."   Judaism before ~550 BC as stated in the Old Testament has a promise land about the present state of Israel.  Like Islam today Judaism was a religion and a government in one.  Islams proclaimed promise land is the earth.  Since 550 BC Judaism and Christianity have no component of a government proclaimed as part of the religion. 
 
You statement is accurate for Islam, but for Christianity and Judaism a government self proclaims it is acting in accordance with religion.  Nothing can be further from the truth.  
Kurt Bresler Added May 14, 2018 - 10:21am
@Bill H. "rycK - Myself being neither a Democrat or Republican, on this site and many others I observe almost all of the hate rhetoric and direct insults coming from those who profess to be "Conservatives".
It's too bad that the Search function doesn't work on this site because if you did a search on words like "scumbag", "idiot", "brainless", "bastards", "loser", "trash", "moron", or "hypocrite", I can guarantee you that in almost all cases it is being used by a self-professed "Conservative" against someone who they assume is a "Liberal".
Bill, I only recently came to this site but was welcomed by such vitriol
and cursing that it could only be associated with some kind verbal hazing ritual.  And most of it came from either left leaning or atheist.  There are some who cannot be used as a representative of the greater group. 
Kurt Bresler Added May 14, 2018 - 10:40am
@Thomas S   your words to Bill H and Katharine I agree with totally.
 
@Katherine  "no one can effectively control what other people see and learn, not even the State, although the US propaganda machine does a good job of trying." 
I think facebook has been doing a good job of censoring millions of their users. Look at the "Diamond & Silk" censoring.  Look at google and it's algorithm which helped hide bad news relating to Hillary or Benghazi and other issues even hiding info of Repub candidates. The censorship may not effectively control anything yet but it is going to if we do not stop it. 
Why is it that a Bakery must bake a cake for a Gay couple yet facebook can censor the right. NOt Fair at all.  
Kurt Bresler Added May 14, 2018 - 10:49am
@ Bill  "Actually Thomas - Throughout history, religion has been the main cause of conflict, wars, and human division."
 
Again Bill, I have to agree with you.  Religion has been a bloody mess.  Which of course is why the US has it's 1st Amendment. However, Christ like a 2000 year ago Gandhi did establish a religion which was supposed to be benevolent but Christ's name has been hijacked and pasted upon evil actions by so the so called religious.
Just for those who want to have a quick look at the 1st amendment. 
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
Thomas Sutrina Added May 14, 2018 - 12:24pm
Kurt, religion has been used as a tool to create emotional response of the masses of people, the mob.   The end results has been bloody messes.  But socialism subset Communism has achieved an emotional response of the mob and has created similar bloody messes.   Thus one must conclude that religion is not a necessary component to create a bloody mess.  What they all have in common is leaders seeking power and charismatic enough to lead the mob.  
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 14, 2018 - 1:12pm
Katharine Otto
"rycK, Even an amoeba can learn.  With the world as interconnected as it is now, no one can effectively control what other people see and learn, not even the State, although the US propaganda machine does a good job of trying.  I probably should have said "experience" rather than "education," because no one has a monopoly on hate-mongering."
 
Neither  "experience" nor the general usage of the term "education" excludes propaganda and tautological brain-washing. The apparent broad dissemination of 'knowledge and facts' is warped by massive news agencies [CBS, ABC, BBC, etc], governments [PRC, USSR, EU] and social media [FB, etc.] due to the use of highly selective filters. 
 
As such the average citizen is not able to escape bias in one form or another especially in political campaigns. Your amoeba can be culturally, politically  or socially structured by experts. Experience is a secondary issue and limited. 
 
 
 
Katharine Otto Added May 14, 2018 - 3:42pm
rycK,
However, no brainwashing is completely effective, if only that there are competing washers presenting other perspectives.  If the handlers could train an amoeba to do their will, they would get rich fast.  
 
The result is each individual does develop a unique perspective, based on a melange of influences, which goes back to my belief that we are products of our cultures and the times in which we live, but we are still uniquely individual.  No one can control what you think.
 
Kurt,
Even with Facebook or other censoring, people have means of communicating, if it's important enough to them.  Also, nothing is static, and I suspect Islam is likely to undergo some changes as it interfaces more and more with other belief systems.
 
About that cake . . . I agree with you.  If I were the baker, I might use salt in the batter instead of sugar.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added May 15, 2018 - 11:51am
Katharine Otto
 
"rycK,
However, no brainwashing is completely effective, if only that there are competing washers presenting other perspectives.  If the handlers could train an amoeba to do their will, they would get rich fast.  "
 
I had a Chinese chemist  in  my research group and his father resisted Mao during his  time and was sent to a re-education camp. When he came back even his family could not get him to back his earlier thought and comments. He was a true  believer in  the deepest meaning  of  the word.
 
" If the handlers could train an amoeba to do their will, they would get rich fast"
 
I am reminded of the North Vietnamese cadres who went village to village and 'persuaded' the hamlet leaders to embrace communism and if they failed to do so their daughters were disemboweled in front of the hamlet citizens. Next, the leader was replaced by the weakest leader chosen for his responses to cadre training and warned that if the hamlet did not supply men and rice for the war he could be treated as the last hamlet chief.
 
You can have 'handlers' with vast skills and experience but  the final state must be efficient and provide the necessities of life. The VN experience was abandoned by about  1976 when the communists apologized for their failure and turned to capitalism.
 
I suspect  the treatment was less brutal and more successful. The lesson is that you cannot run a country with political lackeys. It will fail as in PRC, USSR and NOKO. 
 
The Party of Democrats, tax-whores down to the last dime, have not demonstrated they can run a country with debt and coercion if they cannot sustain the votes.
 
Think about Hillary and Pelosi as handlers. Did they rise from a dish full of amoeba?
 
 
 
Dave Volek Added May 16, 2018 - 11:51am
Kurt
Interesting article and responses. There were several references to political parties in this thread, and I'm going to comment on that part.
 
Political parties are great at creating fear of the opposing party. Parties that are better at fear mongering stand a better chance of being elected. That is why they do it!
 
If we want to reduce the fear in our society, we should seriously think about a system of governance that does not have political parties. I have written about such a concept: the TDG.
 
Another allusion to the TDG in this thread is the importance of morals, ethics, and good character. The TDG will find people of these attributes and put them in positions of governance. They start at the lower levels, and if their performance is satisfactory, they will move up the tiers.
 
My book is neither left or right. When the TDG is built, I suspect that it will take the better elements of both sides of the political spectrum.
Kurt Bresler Added Jun 3, 2018 - 8:11am
Dave >>  The important thing about Politics is that it best represents the attitude and feelings toward things at a certain period of time -that election day.   The political parties and basically everyone else gets to give their best shot at convincing the masses about what is best or the best way to do something.  
Even though politics is far from perfect it does have a way of keeping the leadership on their toes because if not, they get to retire in the next election.

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