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Recently, someone in academia (no point in revealing the exact location) was criticizing the West for destroying the Middle Eastern as well as other cultures. Academically, this instructor was teaching the students all of the “evils” of the West and how the Middle Eastern cultures were suffering and being erased. The model the instructor was using was imperialism. The imperialists overtook the foreign lands and exploited their resources and their citizens, making the lands colonies. The colonies surrendered their wealth to the imperialists who got fat and enjoyed the bounty of the land. The indigenous people of the colonies worked hard to make the lives of the imperialists easy and prosperous, as their cultures were subsumed in the culture of their overlords. The great thing about academics is that if one theory works, it can probably explain other events, and if that theory fits your personal ideology and position, all the better.

 

Imperialists considered themselves monarchs who achieved their positions via merit, when in fact their rewards were simply fate, being born to certain people in certain places. While luck is described as where preparation meets opportunity, for many of the imperialists preparation was simply being born in the right family, and the opportunity was people that you could lord over because you held greater power. The idea that there was meritocracy to the administration of the colonies is a cruel joke. The idea that the best and the brightest led the colonies is disproven by the foolish management of them, and anyone who was the best and brightest would never have justified, under any framework of reasoning, the atrocious treatment of the indigenous people. That’s my view of history, and certainly not held exclusively by myself alone, it seems to be a consensus. 

 

So now, according to the colonialist/imperialist interpretation, the global market is imposing the cultures and attitudes of the West upon the Middle Eastern as well as other countries, according to the instructor. The evil and biased Western values have little regard for the any values other than their own, according to the theory of Western Globalization, which must concur with and mainly follow the narrative of the imperialism theory. First, we enslaved you and took whatever you had that was valuable, your labor at slave wages and all valuable commodities. Now, the West is destroying your culture with hamburgers, pizza, donuts, coffee, nice shoes and denim pants, not to mention cell phones and computers.

 

The exploitation is no longer the British East India Tea Company, it’s Apple, McDonald’s, Dunkin’ Donuts, Starbucks and Pizza Hut. The evil Western values that are corrupting the Third World are Corporate America and predatory capitalism, whose evil conspiracy is to lure the naïve citizens into their ideology and get them to abandon the values of their culture and adopt the ideologies of the imperialists. Now, there’s some thinking for you. How did we package the new imperialism? Were the new values hidden in all of those tasty treats and those convenient communication devices that doubled as computers? Perhaps there is some devilish chemical we put in all of those double lattes that is motivating them to abandon their traditional cultural values.

 

The largely internecine conflicts in the Middle East, presently in Syria, Iraq, and Yemen (with undertones far beyond those states) are forcing citizens out of that region of the world, with the total emigrating population larger that the population of Spain, over 25 million and counting. Could it be that they are leaving a culture that justified the poor treatment (and by poor treatment we mean beheading, stoning, torture, enslavement) of their fellow citizens? The people fleeing these troubled lands seem to be from a culture of intolerance and greed, as well as complete disregard for their fellow countrymen. While one could shoehorn the Western imperialist ideologies into some sort of culprit for this malicious treatment of their fellow citizens, anyone making that case would encounter some very difficult answers to provide, which they more than likely could not answer at all. The Western values of individual rights and freedoms have not been adopted, and from the looks of things, won’t be anytime soon. The Western values of the state being responsible for the health and welfare of all of its citizens is, again, a value not adopted.

 

One of the unpleasant questions I am asking is if other countries where these refugees are attempting to settle really want people who think killing and torturing those of your own country with whom you disagree should be a policy; and, if they can’t get along in their country, who is to say that they won’t start the same thing wherever they go?  We understand the oppression these refugees have endured, that is not in question. The question is could there be a more salient reason for these people being thrown out, or oppressed until they choose to leave. The case could be made that the refugees have family and religious ties much deeper than those of the state, which would cause one to question their loyalty to any state, would it not? If your state has chosen to torture and treat you as if you weren’t even a citizen of that state (minorities too numerous to mention here, but Untouchables, Uyghurs, et. al.) leaving is certainly an option. Leaving before they kill you us not as much an option as a necessity.

 

While the West has its share of discrimination and mistreatment, the mistreatment of some of the refugees in the Middle East is atrocious in the extreme. This is not the culture that the West is exporting. Even the colonial culture realized that killing people was a waste of resources, but I am in no way denying that the imperial powers murdered people, nor am I condoning it. It is just that comparing the imperial behavior to present globalization behavior is like comparing apples to warheads, and insisting that globalization, which has raised the standard of living in so many countries as repackaged imperialism is academically irresponsible and teaching a theory that your average well-educated Political Science senior could destroy in less than four pages.

 

Many of the Middle Eastern ideologies seem to be of the opinion that the superpowers are using the corrupt leaders of their region as pawns, and to a certain extent they are correct, but the dictators and unelected leaders who are being played for chumps by the Western superpowers are getting something out of it. The age-old question prevails: “What’s in it for me?” Corrupt leaders have existed ever since there were leaders, and corruption which lines the pockets of corrupt leaders is by no means a new idea. Harry Truman said it best: “You can’t get rich in politics unless you’re a crook.” The bottom line seems to be that from the perspective of some of the modern theorists, (and I use that term ever so lightly, because they are more ideologists than theorists) the Western values have corrupted the Middle East and other places and caused them to behave in some of these more atrocious ways.

 

These ideologists want to blame on the West the problems that they face, as if the West has been the source of corruption and assault on their culture. In terms of the Middle East, the factions are killing each other for violations that are hundreds if not a thousand years old, and they cannot let go. The internecine battles rage on, much of it unseen to West simply because it is of no interest to the West, and no intervention, military or otherwise, will end it. The internecine conflicts will end when the various factions give up the strategy of “the revenge of the cradle.” 

 

But the global village theory of Marshall McLuhan, where the bias of the Western media has influenced the naïve minions has had the effect on what would be considered one-way: The Third World and the Middle East are adopting Western values, and some are being killed for doing so. After all, if they’re out to kill your culture, just kill them. Not a policy of the West, thank you very much.  The West realized that religious wars never ended, a lesson the Middle East still has yet to learn. When you ask me about the “civil war” I ask which one you mean, as those who have read history know that civil wars aren’t exclusive to the U.S. by any means.

 

Certainly, the West has exploited other cultures; no doubt about it, that is history documented to the most miserable of detail. Now, the so-called imperialists are offering tasty food, fine-fitting clothing, great coffee and sugary donuts. I am just as sure that if you were to offer the opportunity to market a great product to the West, (in spite of certain greedy people willing to market and distribute your great product while they take all of your profits) you have that opportunity. Presently, the Third World offers only commodities such as sugar, coffee beans, heavy metals and crude oil, among other commodities in which West prefers to indulge. Consider some of the delicacies or common street food that would not make it in the West, like fried pigs heads (yes the whole head, from China) and partially incubated duck eggs (from the Philippines) and while we’re at it, how about some grilled guinea pig or surstromming, fermented fish so strong that it is only opened outdoors. Bollywood of India makes, on the average one-thousand more films that Hollywood makes in a single year. How come we’re not drowning in Bollywood films here in the Western world? Some of their lame attempts at marketing are humorous.

 

Anyone still naïve enough to fall for the idea that social media will help people create the “global village” (a term coined in the early 1960s, by the way) and bond everyone together is dreaming. Countries like China and Iran, neither of which could be described as terribly friendly with or interested in becoming another America, block social media as much as they can. I am not opposed to foreign cultures, we have great number of diverse cultures in the U.S., and the only restrictions we insist upon are the rights of all citizens that our Constitution demands. Some of the folks who have resettled here are insisting that they have the right to violate others’ rights because their culture or their religion demands it. The U.S. already had that fight, and if we are smart, we will not have it again, in the name of diversity, tolerance, or any other “generous” or “understanding” national gesture. The Americans who defend “cultural” discrimination of newer ethnic groups are the same people who bitterly criticized the cultural discrimination that existed in the U.S. in certain regions a century ago; and yet they are unable to recognize the violation of Constitutional rights practiced by the new immigrants. The United States has never accommodated those who wish to discard our Constitution because it disagrees with their culture, and Constitutional rights comprise and define our culture, period.  

 

Our Western culture recognizes rights that Americans have fought and died for; insisting that the Western culture is one resembling the repression and slavery of the imperialists is a non-starter. Our attempts to assemble governments in other countries that resemble our own Constitutional government have been met with accusations of attempts to destroy the culture of those countries, mostly because those countries have cultural biases and mistreatments that some would prefer to retain. Adopting a constitution resembling the U.S. Constitution means abandoning the traditional cultural biases of these societies, therefore, they refuse to adopt a constitution that guarantees rights of all citizens. That is their choice, just don’t insist that we’re trying to destroy those biased and unfair cultures; they make imperialism look tame. The ideologists have chosen the worst aspects of imperialism, and are trying to keep the notion of imperialism alive, because it is a great rationalization to hate the U.S. and the West in general.

Comments

Kurt Bresler Added May 14, 2018 - 4:03am
Jeff   I'm not going to make any points here but I will say what I think,  and that you probably could get your point across with at least half the pages condensing down your thoughts and wording.  I was going to read it, but also needed to do some studying, so looked to see how long it was, then decided it is too long to read at least right now.  Perhaps separate your thoughts into different articles thus giving us the reader a brief overview of your intent and a chance to challenge specific points.  No I am not a teacher or anyone special and hope that I can accept my own advice . Best wishes to you, k 
Johnny Fever Added May 14, 2018 - 5:04am
I can’t tell if you agree with this teacher or disagree with him.  There are sections in this piece that suggest both.  As for me, I don’t think there has ever been a self-proclaimed imperialist.  The term is more or less a cheap slur used to insult someone or something you don’t like.  For example, Apple, McDonald’s, Dunkin’ Donuts, Starbucks and Pizza Hut aren’t examples of new imperialism.  They’re simply companies trying to make a buck selling computers, hamburgers, coffee and pizza. 
Jeff Jackson Added May 14, 2018 - 7:48am
Kurt-While brevity is the soul of wit, I prefer to state my position rather unambiguously, which often results in rather lengthy-but well-defended and well-explained-positions. The last thing I appreciate is a position that is not well-defended, let alone not well-explained. Thank you for your comments Kurt, and I will try to let brevity be the soul of my wit. (Extra points if you can tell us who said that thing about brevity.) 
Jeff Jackson Added May 14, 2018 - 7:57am
Well, Johnny, I am certainly not going to defend the imperialists. You got the point precisely when you say: For example, Apple, McDonald’s, Dunkin’ Donuts, Starbucks and Pizza Hut aren’t examples of new imperialism.  They’re simply companies trying to make a buck selling computers, hamburgers, coffee and pizza. 
You are exactly correct, they are not imperialist powers, they are simply companies trying to make money. The point being that the instructor was characterizing these firms as just more imperialist heathens trying to disrupt the cultures. It is this mis-characterization to which I object. Besides, if none of the donuts, pizza, or coffee were any good, they would have left these countries long ago. Thanks for your comments Johnny, and yup, you got the point. 
Ari Silverstein Added May 14, 2018 - 10:47am
“Recently, someone in academia (no point in revealing the exact location) was criticizing the West for destroying the Middle Eastern as well as other cultures.”
 
“Recently”
Recently could mean 10 years ago, last year or yesterday.  Why not just provide the quote or link so we don’t have to guess when? 
 
“Someone”
Why not name the person? 
 
“Location”
The location where one launched criticism of the West is of no importance.  However, there is point in saying who launched this criticism and what specifically this person said. 
 
“Academia”
Academia could mean a student or a teacher or an administrator, why not just say who it was? 
 
“The West”
I don’t know how many countries constitutes the West, but I’m guessing in the neighborhood of 50.  Does someone in academia really believe that all 50 countries are working together to destroy Middle Eastern culture?  If so, I think it’s a ridiculous conspiracy theory and this unnamed person in academia’s opinion matters very little. 
 
When your very first sentence is that vague, it’s really hard to continue reading.  Additionally, I don’t see the point of reciting what some crazy person believes.  It would be one thing if you quoted someone of importance, but you won’t even provide us the name of the person. 
Jeff Jackson Added May 14, 2018 - 11:40am
The essay is a discussion of a college instructor's position. Who where when is largely irrelevant, because as a ghost writer, revealing more details could compromise writer/client confidentiality. If details, and not the principle idea push you away, there are plenty of other essays. Again, revealing details would compromise confidentiality. Take my word for it, it was real.  The point was an academic one, where globalism has been reshaped to resemble imperialism, and is being taught in college classrooms. My position is that comparing imperialism to globalism is academically flawed and supports an ideological position that the professor, and probably many other professors have taken, and are trying to convince young people of the validity of that position. While I am sorry I cannot reveal names because of confidentiality, I would direct your curiosity to issue the essay describes and my position regarding the ideological position that an academic has taken. Ideas aren't personal, anyway. Thanks for the comments, sorry I am not at liberty to divulge irrelevant details. 
Katharine Otto Added May 14, 2018 - 2:36pm
Jeff,
I did read the whole thing and wondered where is the MIC in all this?  Apple and Starbucks aren't in the Middle East to destroy the culture.  They are there because American military and contractors are taking over the land and resources and, granted, the people have more disposable income with which to buy these goodies.
 
But at what cost?  It's the imperialist attitude that presumes our way is better than their way, so American CIA and other meddlers are busy interfering and trying to force our way and our values on them.  Yes, the Syrians and others have been fighting each other for centuries, but so has Europe.  But before now, they weren't fleeing in droves.  Why now? Is it that our "help" has made their land unlivable?  That oil rigs, pipelines, airports, and our "culture" have driven them out?
 
Globalism is imperialism in that it disenfranchises the little people, here as well as there.  Look at the "health care industry," for example, or the ethanol mandate.  These are not designed for the little people but for the corporations that control the government.
 
 
George N Romey Added May 14, 2018 - 7:54pm
I’d say the large corporations are following the steps of the MIC. “. “Americanize” the country first (usually by brute force or regime change) then bring on the McDonalds. This is how different parts of the Deep State act in unison albeit informally. 
 
 
Dave Volek Added May 14, 2018 - 8:19pm
Jeff
Interesting article. I don't think there is an organized attempt to have one culture dominate over another: i.e. hegemony. I think it just sort of happens when one culture is dominant over the other.
 
A good example is the Ottomans. The Turks had a more robust social order and more effective economy than the European nations circa 1500. They slowly gained territory in SE Europe. Then the stronger and weaker changed places. Europe slowly took back those lands.
 
 
Jeff Jackson Added May 14, 2018 - 8:49pm
Well, Katherine, if our contractors are there, it means our soldiers are there, protecting them from people in their own lands that want to kill them. We’re in Afghanistan for one of the longest wars in our history, and as far as I know they don’t have a thing that we want there, except maybe sand and rocks. We’ve tried to bring them democracy; the jury’s still out on that one.
I don’t recall Europe fighting for about 50 years now, with the exception of the Cold War. Europe is freer now than it has been for quite some time, as the U.S.S.R. gave up control of Eastern Europe. (With our thanks to Ronaldus Maximus, and Tricky Dick, who designed the whole thing.)  Oil rigs, pipelines and airports are the modernization of those countries that didn’t have roads or cars to drive on them for centuries. I would hardly think that jobs on oil rigs and working on developing infrastructure would be reason to flee a country.
 The “unwanted” populations are fleeing, mostly because their indigenous adversaries now have the modern way of exterminating them. If exterminating your fellow countrymen is the essence of their culture, they could really use some of the however-flawed culture of the U.S. I’m amazed at the folks who want to bring their culture to the U.S. What culture is that? Killing people with whom you disagree? Enslaving those who aren’t in your class or ethnic group? How about keeping certain ethnicities in poverty? Mutilating young women? Setting the bride on fire if you are unhappy with the dowry? Whipping women who “associated” with men not of their immediate family? Can we pick and choose, or do they bring the whole culture with them? I am going out on a limb here and declare that any state that has thousands, nay millions leaving is a failed state, and there has to be some culture in there somewhere, like it or not. Culture is what tolerates and encourages these atrocities.
I agree that globalism isn’t the greatest idea, but imperialism excluded the indigenous people, where globalism is raising the standards of living and bringing technology to societies that never saw anything like it before, and this is against the best interest of most of their leaders and the ruling classes, because they know the game is almost up for them. Corporate control of the government is a bad thing, but not as bad as starving us. The corporations can’t afford to have all of us starve, because some of us have to be their customers. Thanks for your comments Katherine.
Jeff Jackson Added May 14, 2018 - 8:57pm
Thanks Dave, you got it. Globalism isn't out to change any cultures, it just wants the money. If the cultures change, well, the corporations really don't have any investments in that. Cultures that kill people with whom you disagree, enslave those who aren’t in your class or ethnic group, keep certain ethnicities in poverty, mutilate young women, set the brides on fire and whip women who “associated” with men not of their immediate family are not cultures worthy of respect and need to change. If they change in a way that is Westernized, I really don't care, but I'm sick of these heathens thinking that a "tolerant" U.S. will put up with this atrocious behavior within this country, or that they have some reverence for such "traditional" behavior. Violent culture is not a culture worth maintaining, in the U.S. or anywhere else. Thanks for your comments Dave.
Jeff Jackson Added May 14, 2018 - 9:01pm
Well George, I won't deny the Deep State has some play in all of this. But bringing a McDonald's has to be better than allowing them to starve. McD's is a capitalist icon that I grew up on, even if all I buy from there now are salads. Plus, all of the companies that support McD's the suppliers, contractors, and other businesses that keep a McD's store (or a chain of them) going. Maybe not the greatest of things, but certainly not the worst.  Thanks for your comments George.
Bill H. Added May 14, 2018 - 9:17pm
 
Hopefully the world will learn by witnessing what major corporations are doing to our country.
When corporations control the government and the population, it can only go downhill for everyone. We are losing our jobs, ability to make logical decisions, and any incentives left to acheive a high education.
Stay tuned.
Jeff Jackson Added May 14, 2018 - 9:43pm
I agree Bill. Many corporations, driven by greed, have distorted what we used to call the marketplace. The Progressive Era recognized the problems and put into place the regulations and passed laws to keep trusts, that is, literally, gangs of corporations that preyed upon the American public. As I have said many times, we need another Teddy Roosevelt, who can take the appropriate measures to contain them. Thanks for your comments.
Dino Manalis Added May 15, 2018 - 8:06am
Middle Easterners are destroying themselves with Sunni-Shiite hostilities and provoke Westerners with terrorist attacks against churches and other innocents.  They need to restore stability and stop the chaos and refugee crisis!
Even A Broken Clock Added May 15, 2018 - 10:22am
Jeff - a lot to mull over here. Thanks for a thought-provoking post.  One small point that I'd take exception to is in your comment, saying that Afghanistan does not have anything that we'd want except sand and rocks. Well, apparently those rocks are worth a lot in terms of mineral deposits, and it will be the Chinese who are ahead in the game to exploit them.
 
Afghanistan is probably the worst case, since it is essentially a tribal state dressed up as a nation. I've seen reporting that says that many folks in remote areas don't even know they are in a country called Afghanistan, in fact, they have no concept of any organization bigger than their tribe. And we wonder why we've not made greater progress in weeding out extremism there?
 
Dave Volek Added May 15, 2018 - 11:47am
Jeff
At some point, the world is going to have to come together to define the standards of modern civilization. What goes on beyond our borders eventually has an effect within our borders.
Jeff Jackson Added May 15, 2018 - 1:06pm
Even, if Afghanistan has some wealth, they've done well to hide it. I have heard of the minerals as well, and if they have what is predicted, they only owe the U,S, government and the families of our fallen soldiers several dozens of billions dollars. If they have the minerals, consider how difficult it will be to get it out, due to lack of roads and infrastructure. I hope they can remember the help we gave them if they ever develop all of their buried assets. Thanks for the comments.
Jeff Jackson Added May 15, 2018 - 1:07pm
Dino-dead-on analysis. Thanks for your comments,
Stone-Eater Added May 15, 2018 - 3:25pm
Katharine
 
Thanks again. Where would we be about your insightful comments ?
 
The West sees itself as the healer of the world while destroying what he wants to "heal" for the sake of profit. The world doesn't need McBullshit, Monsanto and Starbucks. It needs a clean environment and a chance to survive for everybody. If that makes me a socialist (a definition US-Americans don't understand anyway), so be it.
 
Period.
Stone-Eater Added May 15, 2018 - 3:37pm
The USA DEFINES itself on war. It is a nation founded of war and extinction, and it will carry on that way, because when there's no war, the US can't compete anymore.
 
Sorry, US - Americans. Your whole existence is based on a lie of superficial superiority. Time to change. Weapons don't create respect, only fear. And on fear no empire could ever survive.
 
You have learnt nada of our European errors - your ancestors who have terrorized the world before you came on stage.
James Travil Added May 15, 2018 - 7:20pm
I don't see how Afghanistan owes America anything for Invading their sovereign nation and trying to force "democracy" on them. I'm sure if the death tolls of American vs Afghan deaths were compared they would pretty much balance out. And again we were the invaders.
 
And of course there are the places where the actual refugees are coming from, like Syria which is entirely the fault of the US. There was no refuge problem until the US enlisted terrorists for regime change which invited the ISIS head choppers and the like in. Afterwards and since then it's been an endless exodus of refugees, but "freedom" and "democracy", I guess right? 
Doug Plumb Added May 15, 2018 - 7:23pm
re "Western imperialist ideologies into some sort of culprit for this malicious treatment of their fellow citizens, anyone making that case would encounter some very difficult answers to provide, which they more than likely could not answer at all."
Its actually funny listening to some of these guys on youtube, and they are being serious and intellectual. I heard one talking about the evils of capitalism and how the capitalist exploits workers by profiting from their labour. Who could buy this tripe? Someone born in a Chamagne Socialist family who has never had to work or succeed at anything.
re "teaching a theory that your average well-educated political science senior could destroy in less than four pages."
Where are you going to find those? The average senior is an ideolgue and they really stop reading after graduating.
re " Some of their lame attempts at marketing are humorous."
Maybe but the East is smarter than the West in history. Case in point: The holocaust is a distinctive Wester belief. The rest of the world thinks we are stupid...moon landings..etc. Only Westerners believe this stuff. Maybe our Establishment doesn't want their version of history known to Westerners. Plus they do have a different consciousness, what works on them may not work on us.
re "Our Western culture recognizes rights that Americans have fought and died for; insisting that the Western culture is one resembling the repression and slavery of the imperialists is a non-starter."
No one really understands the common law, or what it means and what it has done for the West - ie created it - or allowed it to be created. Its not being taught, and we go slowly toward Talmudism.
 
Jeff Jackson Added May 15, 2018 - 9:17pm
Well, Stone, we have liberated a few countries to their benefit. Go into the French countryside and ask them how they feel about the help the U.S. gave them. You'll find streets named after some of our, (and their) heroes. I'm sure that the American people would love for the government to take those billions for war and just hand it out to the people. As well, I'm sure many families aren't happy about their sons giving their lives for the freedom of other people. I'm pretty sure the South Koreans like us, keeping them from being overrun by the North. Sure, we've not done everything right, and yes, we've done a lot for the corporations and less for the people. We are a democracy, and after enough of us get fed up with that, we can alter our position. Thanks for your comments.
Jeff Jackson Added May 15, 2018 - 9:22pm
James, talk to the Afghan women who were all but enslaved by the super-religious factions that ruled. Culturally, we liberated a great deal of the Afghans, especially the women who weren't even allowed to get an education. The Afghan people are still trying to free themselves from insurgents who wish to keep that society in the Stone Age and keep women as little more than pets. While it might not seem to be a great transition, there are people who understand and appreciate what we have done. Thanks for your comments.
Jeff Jackson Added May 15, 2018 - 9:44pm
Well Doug, the trip to the moon and other efforts yielded great information and moved science in directions we could never have imagined. While the East might bad-mouth us, (some of them) I see they are going wild about our technology. The African continent skipped wiring the whole country with telephones and jumped right in to cell phone technology.
While the Taoists might be contemplating what is not there being as important as what is, (read the Tao de Ching) it seems they really like having the ability to talk the rest of the world with something that can fit into their hand. Chairman Mao starved as many Chinese as the Holocaust killed. Not diminishing the impact of the Holocaust, but there have been events just as horrific in the East. Maos' programs caused the the Great Chinese Famine, that killed between 20 to 45  million Chinese between 1959 and 1961. Not an admirable event for any culture or society, and hardly a reflection of any kind of wisdom.
The Chinese have embraced our technology and are attempting to overrun us with the technology that we gave them. I'm not boasting our accomplishments, they speak for themselves. Any society can keep their culture and embrace our technology. The idea that the West wants to convert them is not a valid position. Would we like to see democracy in those countries? Sure we would, because while not the best, it is better than most other forms of government, just as capitalism, while not the rendering everything for all people, it is still the best anyone has come up with.
Winston Churchill in 1947: "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…"
Thanks for your comments Doug.
Doug Plumb Added May 16, 2018 - 3:56am
Jeff, even if everything ever said about the holocaust was true, its cruelty would be dwarfed to insignificance to what these commies have done not only to places like Russia and China, but North America as well. As Riley writes, how many women jumped on the Feminist Train and didn't have children. How many young men are completely lost in life and so immature that they must hide from their problems with drugs and alcohol. Death and murder isn't the only cruelty. Sometimes its worse when its psychological and your victims continue living.
I'm sick of hearing about the goddamed holocaust. Its in the fucking mainstream press still, ALL THE TIME.
You make a very good point about South Korea.
And thankfully we are only on the way to democracy and don't quite actually live in one because when we get full democracy then full despotism is days away.
Doug Plumb Added May 16, 2018 - 4:01am
The moon landings have been exposed, Sandy Hook has been exposed, and everything in between has been exposed. Check the FBI statistics on murders in Newtown in 2012. No school children died in Sandy Hook in 2012. Participants also got their houses paid for on New Years day 2013.
Our control systems could not have been developed to control the moon landing module to land vertically onto the moon back in the 60's. We need a 286 chip just to run the calculations for that inverted pendulum problem, so the picture in Life magazine with the tether showing is reality.
Stone-Eater Added May 16, 2018 - 4:22am
Jeff
 
We are a democracy, and after enough of us get fed up with that, we can alter our position.
 
The US is not a democracy but an economic dictatorship, as actually all countries are at the base. The rest is cosmetics. Not the people alter a position but business circles. If it were the people, I'm sure there would never have been wars in the Middle East.
 
You say you've "liberated" Europe. In your view that may be right, but one must also know HOW fascism was made possible in Europe. The US helped out there quite a bit.
 
And how do you see the "liberating" of Libya, Iraq, Syria for example ? It was never about liberating from anything but pure business for weapon sales, geostrategic influence and resources. If the US would at least admit that, we'd be a step further in the "fight" against wars....
Stone-Eater Added May 16, 2018 - 4:25am
Doug
 
I'm sick of hearing about the goddamed holocaust.
 
Me too, thanks. Blown-up bullshit in favor of business and false guilt. Time to stop and move forward.
EXPAT Added May 17, 2018 - 8:31pm
Jeff. There is an old saying here. How do you eat an elephant?  Ans: One bite at a time.
You just served the whole elephant as a bar B Q in this post.
And you have captured, why REASON has been replaced by emotion. When you talk about whole cultures, or nations, or racial groups, or any large group, they include a vast range of beliefs and practices that often are at extremes. So you are free to pick and choose those behaviors that support your belief, and then apply them to the entire group.
 
That is why there is no discussion on WB, and is largely emotional tirades.
EXPAT Added May 17, 2018 - 8:31pm
Jeff. There is an old saying here. How do you eat an elephant?  Ans: One bite at a time.
You just served the whole elephant as a bar B Q.
And you have captured, why REASON has been replaced by emotion. When you talk about whole cultures, or nations, or racial groups, or any large group, they include a vast range of beliefs and practices that often are at extremes. So you are free to pick and choose those behaviors that support your belief, and then apply them to the entire group.
 
That is why there is no discussion on WB, and is largely emotional tirades.
EXPAT Added May 17, 2018 - 9:06pm
Stone.
You have a nasty habit of creating a LIE, and then discrediting your own LIE.
And how do you see the "liberating" of Libya, Iraq, Syria for example ? It was never about liberating from anything but pure business for weapon sales, geostrategic influence and resources. If the US would at least admit that, we'd be a step further in the "fight" against wars....
 
It was RUSSIA, who "Liberated? Syria, and Obama who was excoriated for not enforcing his Red Line.
Yes, Obama and Hillary fucked up Libya, with their Arab Spring, but what does that have to do with Trump and the USA today?
EXPAT Added May 17, 2018 - 9:22pm
By the way folks, I have travelled the world and lived in many cultures. I see McD, KFC, Domino Pizza everywhere. But they are owned and operated by local businessmen, who modify slightly to their culture. i.e. a McVeggie in Mombasa.
It is the bane of every culture, that their children prefer foreign influence over tradition. The Thai Ministry of culture constantly complains because people say HELLO instead of Sawadee Prop when they answer the phone, or KAPUT, when something is broken, and yes McDonalds is everywhere here, because it is CHEAP!
Stone-Eater Added May 20, 2018 - 11:28am
Expat
 
Yes, Obama and Hillary fucked up Libya, with their Arab Spring, but what does that have to do with Trump and the USA today?
 
Just wait for Iran, and then we can continue that discussion LOL
Stone-Eater Added May 20, 2018 - 11:29am
Kaputt ?????
 
LOOL. German made it to Thailand !
Stone-Eater Added May 20, 2018 - 11:33am
BTW: McDonalds is cheap because it's no FOOD. It is ALMOST food. In German "fast" means "almost". So fast food is almost food. And it's correct. Because it's unhealthy and just a handful of bullshit. In Thailand you got one of the best cuisines there are. But well, what can one do against the publicity ? Nothing. Wait until the kids are all obese like in the US/EU and then sell them pharma to lose weight.
 
Sad ! (c) Donnie Dump
Jeff Jackson Added May 20, 2018 - 12:39pm
Well, then Stone, I guess that the government must step in and keep us all from being fat. Then it will tell us what we can read, and watch and think, all for our betterment, of course. You can buy Thai cuisine in America, our tastes don't discriminate.
Jeff Jackson Added May 20, 2018 - 12:40pm
Expat, you are correct. American culture is contagious. Now, if we can only get democracy to spread like McDs. Wait a minute, I know, we'll call it McDemocracy! Thanks for your comments.
EXPAT Added May 21, 2018 - 4:50am
Stone, You are quite correct about Thai's getting fat. Average weight rose 36% last year, #2 behind Malaysia which rose 40%. Now that unemployment is 1.2% people don't have time to cook. Fast food is fast, and tastey. I just ordered KFC.
You are right about poverty being a weight control. Please take seriously Jeff's comment to you. I have lost 36kg since coming to Thailand, without government help.
EXPAT Added May 21, 2018 - 4:54am
Jeff. I do not share your admiration for Democracy! The preponderance of voters are morons, easily misled, and incapable of understanding the complexity of international relations.
The latest elections in Venezuela, illustrate the point.