Trump Cancels the Philadelphia Eagles Trip to the White House

Trump Cancels the Philadelphia Eagles Trip to the White House
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I realize that this article is not particularly timely but I've been busy at work.  I found a little time so I wanted to share some thoughts about this.

 

The Philadelphia Eagles defeated the New England Patriots 41-33 in Super Bowl LII.  It was a very good game, as a football fan I thoroughly enjoyed it, plus I have a personal connection to the Eagles.  I am a native Pennsylvanian, born in the town of Lansdale.   It is located right outside of Philadelphia.  My father was a native of Philadelphia and was a huge fan of the team (he also rooted for the Washington Redskins because he lived there at one time).  Philadelphia fans suffered through lost opportunities in the past so this particular championship was a sweet one, the first since 1960.

 

I never gave much thought to any visit to the White House.  I thought it likely that some players would go, some wouldn't.  It's the same in any given year.  Personally I think I would go, I mean, come on.  It's the White House.  How often do you get a chance to visit?  This has nothing with the current president.

 

It's happened in the past.  Some players don't go because of scheduling conflicts or they disagree with the current president.  I know it happened during Obama's presidency, maybe there were others but I don't remember.  I don't really care, it makes no difference to me one way or another.  I respect a person's decision not to go because they have the right to refuse.  

 

But things are no longer normal.  Starting back in the Fall of 2016 Colin Kaepernick decided to bring attention to racial injustice by not standing during the National Anthem.  First he stayed seated on the bench but after discussing the matter with Nate Boyer, a former NFL player and Green Beret veteran, Kaepernick decided to kneel.  This touched off controversy with other players soon adopting this stance as a way of showing solidarity.  Some knelt, others raised their fists or stayed in the locker room.  The actions became polarizing with many fans being outspoken of either support or opposition.  Ratings dropped and the situation became worse when Trump decided to politicize the issue.  In September of 2017 Trump brought the subject up at a rally in Alabama, saying that owners should "get that son of a bitch off the field" and saying that owners should fire players that "disrespect the flag."  Naturally this generated a backlash by players and even owners.

 

The odd thing is that as far as anyone can tell no Eagle actually knelt on the field.  Fox News erroneously showed pictures of Eagles kneeling and were forced to clarify these pictures were of players praying and not protesting.  Several Eagles, notably Chris Long and Malcolm Jenkins expressed their opposition to Trump but did not kneel. 

 

In May of 2018 the NFL owners enacted a new policy requiring that players show respect by standing during the Anthem.  I watch and listen to sports programming, most of those commentators feel this is the league caving into Trump but in the end this was a business decision to stop further erosion of the TV ratings.  I essentially agree with  this, the NFL is a business and they need revenue to run.  Losing money benefits no one.  The policy gives an out to players, those who choose to can stay in the locker room during the Anthem.  This doesn't really solve the problem, there will be considerable interest in those players who stay in the locker room.  I wonder how long this interest lasts, I suspect after a few weeks the interest will  drain away.  The owners did pony up 89 million dollars for charities and causes the players support.

 

This apparently failed to satisfy Trump.  Sensing an opportunity, he showed his appreciation for the new policy but stated that players shouldn't be allowed to stay in the locker room.  In essence he wants the league to force the players to stand at attention.  

 

This brings us back to the Eagles.  A small delegation from the team planned to attend the celebration of the team's victory but Trump cancelled the meeting this past Monday, June the 4th.  Most of the players declined to go but a small contingent including the head coach planned to go.  Players did plan on going to Washington D. C. to do community work.

 

 Trump's statement mentioned that the players disagreed with their president because he insists that they proudly stand for the national Anthem even though clearly no Eagle kneeled.  There was a  celebration of sorts, I have no idea how many people showed up or what happened during the event.

 

So, why all the hubub?

 

I suspect there are several reasons.

 

1)  This plays well to his base.  It's a time honored tradition of politicians to wave the flag around while kissing babies and eating apple pie.  In Trump's case he magnifies this this by being as angry and divisive as he can.  It is a very effective trick to divert attention away from the core issue.

 

2)  This is a subset of 1 but it shows his dominance of the situation.  I have no idea if Trump is this hyper-patriotic but by showing everyone who is boss it gives the impression he is "getting things done" while putting " spoiled athletes" in their proper place.

 

3)  Personal animosity towards the NFL, Trump lost to the NFL when they refused to allow him to buy the Buffalo Bills and when the USFL folded.  He now controls the narrative by being president, no one can ignore him.

 

A few final thoughts on this:

 

Forcing someone to pay homage to a symbol is not patriotic, it's something totalitarian governments do.  That being said I agree that the NFL has the right to dictate how it's players act in their place of employment.

 

If NFL players are forced to stand at attention then so should fans at games.  The owner of the 49's stated he would close concessions during the National Anthem.  I agree with him, it's disrespectful to be buying stuff or chugging beer and snogging on a chili dog.  Stand your ass up, put your phone away and put down the heart attack in a bun.  I also think bathrooms should be locked, pissing or taking a shit during the Anthem is disrespectful.  Stand in the damn hallway with your hand over your heart, you can hold it for a couple of minutes to show respect for the men and women who died for this country.

 

That's all, God bless America.

 

 

 

Comments

Flying Junior Added Jun 10, 2018 - 5:13pm
It was a kick in the teeth for the players that planned on attending.  Trump doesn't care who he hurts.  It's all about his fragile ego.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 5:17pm
Wrong as usual, Flying J.
 
Well, you failed to recognize the cause the players are kneeling about is totally bogus. Black men are 16 times more likely to kill a police officer than to be killed by one. You also failed to address, like the witless athletes you give credence to, the real issues in the black community, which are a 75% functional illiteracy rate among black boys (probably includes 75% of all pro athletes of all races), and a 75% illegitimacy rate in the black community.
You really ought to read my friend Jesse Lee Peterson’s book “The Antidote”. Also, Susan Macdonalds book “The War on Cops” is brilliantly enlightening.
Trump is putting these big misinformed babies in their place. If they had fathers in their homes, a lot of athletes would have been taught TO KEEP YOUR BIG MOUTH SHUT WHEN YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. Lebron is a poster child for this. Only the sycophant idolaters will defend him, just like Lefou defended Gaston from “Beauty and the Beast”. Lebron, who may have the absolute worst championship record (3-6) in professional sports history, due to his inability to be corrected and be coached, loves to pop off about Trump, when he hasn’t the slightest idea about America's history, or what is good for her. Just like the average foolish man who is given a lot of attention, power, and money when he doesn’t deserve it, and no, throwing a stupid ball into a basket is not worthy of respect and power in a wise and virtuous society, Lebron speaks out on issues that are far out of his comprehension. He only gets away with it because his followers aren’t too bright. In the black community, recent test scores show that 83% of black children graduating high school are not competent in reading, and 93% are not competent in math. So, these children are easy for the liberal media, schools, and entertainment complex to control.
Our society promotes ignorance, corruption, and being uninformed, and it degrades and demeans wisdom and virtue. The rich liberal elites at the top like it that way. When another rich person becomes president and attacks their power structure, the rich liberal elites go berserk, using their pawn entertainers, media, and schools to wage war on this clear and present danger to their feudal control. Simpleton Americans are deceived by it. WB has plenty of them. Women are generally easier to fool than men, though America has plenty of emasculated men too. Deceived like Eve. 70% of single women vote Democrat, and the majority of married women do too. They vote with their emotions, which are simple to deceive. The Democrat media are ruthlessly efficient at deceiving women and effeminate and corrupt men.
In closing, a few more stats. 93% of all blacks who are killed, are killed by other blacks. To the liberal contention “But whites kill whites too”, that’s somewhat true. While 84% of white murders are committed by other whites, the black crime rate is 7-10 times higher than whites. Blacks make up 12% of America, yet from 1990-2008, blacks made up 52% of all murderers in America. And the majority of these were from the 6% of Americans who are black men. Now, I have many conservative and liberal black friends, but the facts don’t lie. Those athletes have no logical basis for kneeling at all. One final stat. According to the Obama DOJ, in 2010, there were approximately 62,000 instances of whites doing violence to blacks. There were approximately 320,000 instances of blacks doing violence to whites, which means it appears that blacks commit violence against whites at five times the rate that whites commit violence against blacks. But that’s not all. There are 197 million whites in America, and 38 million blacks. Which means, when we take population into account, blacks are 25 times more likely to commit violence against whites than vice Versa. And when we take a certain kind of violence, aggravated assault, into account. Blacks are 200 times more likely to commit aggravated assault against a white person than vice versa.
Thank you, and God bless America.
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Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 5:56pm
@Flying Junior:
 "It was a kick in the teeth for the players that planned on attending."
 
I agree though I think it was more about the non-players.  The coach and his wife planned to attend.  I also think the owner planned to be there.
 
"Trump doesn't care who he hurts.  It's all about his fragile ego."
 
 Oh, yes.  Thud is awfully delicate.
Louis E Weeks Added Jun 10, 2018 - 6:20pm
Well most of that is pretty accurate but a couple small points to make.  Colin Kaepernick had never been an activist of any kind in his entire life but then suddenly he was all concerned about how police treated Black people?
 
Of course maybe the fact he was just fired from his starting job, listed his home for sale and told lots of people he was quitting his contract because he was fired had something to do with why he was so upset?
 
The problem with the Eagles was they intended to play a political stunt to embarrass the President.  From everything I have read only 1 player had confirmed they would attend along with a coach or two and maybe a couple wives.  Trump had prepared an event for a large contingent of players but the players did not intend to attend so why have the event?
 
The Eagles were playing a political stunt, and Trump decided to not let them.  Personally I do not blame Trump, no other team had ever done such a thing so their unusual and completely political stunt was stopped.
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 6:34pm
@Ryan Messano:
 
 "Well, you failed to recognize the cause the players are kneeling about is totally bogus."
 
Damn them all to hell for being concerned about what is going on around them or what is going on in their communities.
 
"Black men are 16 times more likely to kill a police officer than to be killed by one."
 
 
So sayeth Ryan.  All hail.
 
"You also failed to address, like the witless athletes you give credence to, the real issues in the black community, which are a 75% functional illiteracy rate among black boys (probably includes 75% of all pro athletes of all races), and a 75% illegitimacy rate in the black community."
 
What are some of the root causes of those stats, Ryan?
 
"You really ought to read my friend Jesse Lee Peterson’s book “The Antidote”. Also, Susan Macdonalds book “The War on Cops” is brilliantly enlightening."
 
Isn't there another book called "Obey Whitey if You Know What is Good for You?"

"Trump is putting these big misinformed babies in their place."
 
 All hail the bloated orange manatee.  Hail!!!!!
 
"If they had fathers in their homes, a lot of athletes would have been taught TO KEEP YOUR BIG MOUTH SHUT WHEN YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT."
 
 
 They need to be stuck in camps until they all learn to obey unconditionally.  It worked for the Commies and Nazis.
 
"Lebron is a poster child for this."
 
IKR?  How dare he think for himself or have an opinion.  That's not his place.
 
"Only the sycophant idolaters will defend him,"
 
Blasphemy.  The only one worth defending is Trump.
 
"Lebron, who may have the absolute worst championship record (3-6) in professional sports history, due to his inability to be corrected and be coached,"
 
I think he loses because he dares think about anything else besides basketball.  That's not his job, white people can do his thinking for him.
 
"loves to pop off about Trump, when he hasn’t the slightest idea about America's history, or what is good for her."
 
The only people who know what is good for America is Trump and those that follow him blindly.  Everyone else can go to hell and die.
 
"Just like the average foolish man who is given a lot of attention, power, and money when he doesn’t deserve it,"
 
*cough* Trump *cough*
 
"and no, throwing a stupid ball into a basket is not worthy of respect and power in a wise and virtuous society,"
 
 Yeah, LeBron needs to understand that the right way to do this is to be born white, have a rich father, avoid serving in the military, go bankrupt, make a stupid TV show, screw porn stars, cheat on your wives and get divorced twice and yet somehow make evangelicals vote for you!!!!!  It's the American way!!!!!
 
Thank you, and God bless America.
 
No, thank you, Ryan.  You are right.  Athletes, especially black athletes, do not deserve to have opinions on anything.  

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free."
 
 I was hoping for more full-blown Bible babble.  I admit to being somewhat disappointed.

MEFOBILLS Added Jun 10, 2018 - 6:37pm
re Ryan,
 Women are generally easier to fool than men, though America has plenty of emasculated men too. Deceived like Eve. 70% of single women vote Democrat, and the majority of married women do too. They vote with their emotions, which are simple to deceive. The Democrat media are ruthlessly efficient at deceiving women and effeminate and corrupt men.
 
 
Should women be allowed the vote
 
10000 women voting study
 
Women know less about politics regardless of gender equality, according to a survey by the Economic and Social Research Council (ESRC).
The report focused on ten nations, both developed and developing, where men and women were asked questions about domestic and international news. Despite the diversity of the ten sample countries – Australia, Canada, Colombia, Greece, Italy, Japan, Korea, Norway, the UK, and the US – women answered fewer questions correctly than men in every country.
 
 
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 10, 2018 - 6:40pm
The Color of Crime report 2005
 
Color of Crime
 
Yes, statistics matter.  Anybody who is rational has to include this into their worldview.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 6:40pm
Thanks, Mefo.  We can lump women and athletes together.  Neither one should vote on anything or be allowed to have opinions.  They need white caretakers to do that for them.
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 10, 2018 - 6:57pm
The Pulpit of Power
Here is a black pastor laying down the wood on his congregation, forcing them to accept reality:
 
No building of cities
 
Women never evolved to protect the frontiers.  With regards to black evolution, most people won't go there, but instead will virtue signal endlessly and tell themselves make believe shibboleths. 
 
Some women and Some Blacks do well, but "the exceptions don't make the rule." 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 6:59pm
This will make Ryan very happy, Mefo.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 7:07pm
Jeffrey and his identity politics. It never fails.  You on the left can never win an honest debate.
 
The only reason you stick up for the athletes is because you are historically clueless too. What five biographies have you read, you witless wonder?  I’ll answer for you, perhaps two, max, on your own time. You clearly didn’t learn anything from them.  Free speech and the First Amendment was designed for wise and virtuous opinions.  The athletes only get away with their nonsense because of apathetic and uninformed Americans like you.  Scorners and scoffers who reject blatant evidence contradicting your absurd views, and stubbornly insist you are right. It’s a shame someone like you votes or has a voice in politics.  You are a complete disgrace, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself, you lowlife charlatan and moral midget. You sneer and jeer at real Wisdom, and love your liberal lies. I bet you can’t name seven conservative news sites online at all, and you definitely haven’t read them for two months of your entire life. So you are on here telling the rest of us you’ve cone to a conclusion on a controversial topic, WHICH IS A TOTAL WASTE OF EVERY ONES TIME ON WB, BECAUSE YOUVE NEVER SINCERELY AND HONESTLY CONSIDERED BOTH SIDES, YOU DELUSIONAL FRAUD!!
 
Please dont write anything at all, articles or comments, on WB until you’ve legitimately learned the history of your nation, can intelligently discuss seven conservative news sites, and can confirm you aren’t using psychotropic drugs and/or porn, both of which disable the reasoning capability.  Your reasoning capability has clearly been hijacked. 
 
Thank you, MEFOBILLS!! Awesome links!   Saving!
 
 
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 7:08pm
*Biographies of the Founders.  I won’t assume you know what biographies I’m referring to.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 7:11pm
Nothing to see here.  It’s right that this officer stopped this man walking into a store:
Obviously an evil black man
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 7:17pm
Wow, MEFOBILLS, LOOOOOVVVEE THE LINKS!
 
My apologies to conservative women, but women definitely should not be voting.
Dino Manalis Added Jun 10, 2018 - 7:27pm
 Going to the White House is a personal choice, but the president should still call and congratulate them for their suberb showing.
Pardero Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:19pm
Jeffrey Kelly,
This is a well written article with reasonable and logical explanations of your position. 
 
Although I am nearly an anti-sports person, and had a harsh attitude against the players, the body of the article caused me to soften my position somewhat, though some of your comments are still too great a distance from my position. 
 
I believe that you made as good of a case, as is possible.
 
If Ryan is able to integrate new information into his monetary and world views, and adjust accordingly, I would have no reason to consider him an ideological adversary, although I have a problem with his treatment of some of my friends. My positions on social issues are not nearly as strong, but I lean in the same general direction. It is still to be seen if he and MEFOBILLS can form a broad consenus. It could not possibly help that Ryan and Mustafa are at odds.
 
Off topic but great fun:
Springsteen and Co. What's So Funny
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:24pm
Thank you, Pardero. 
 
Facts dont care about feelings. Its best to strongly correct publicly. Saves a lot of time. If the person won’t heed the correction, their furious rejection of it only isolates them further.
 
Proverbs 29:1
 
He That being often reproved, hardeneth his neck,  shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:28pm
@Ryan Messano:
 
"The only reason you stick up for the athletes is because you are historically clueless too."
 
No, I stick up for athletes because they are American citizens with a voice.  I don't have to agree with them just like I don't have to agree with you.  That's not the point and never was.
 
"What five biographies have you read, you witless wonder?"
 
 Of the founding father's?  Wow, don't remember.  I haven't read American history in a long time.  My focus shifted to Europe.  The past five years I focused on Nazi Germany and the Holocaust.  You see that if you see the articles I wrote.  I also actively contest Holocaust deniers and hammer their lies.  Mefo is a denier.
 
"I’ll answer for you, perhaps two, max, on your own time."
 
I actually don't like biographies, they always feel so limiting.  Though I recently some very good biographies on Hitler and Stalin.
 
"You clearly didn’t learn anything from them.  Free speech and the First Amendment was designed for wise and virtuous opinions."
 
They were?
So, who is the arbiter who decides what is wise and virtuous?
 
"The athletes only get away with their nonsense because of apathetic and uninformed Americans like you."
 
 
 Really?  Huh.  
 
"Scorners and scoffers who reject blatant evidence contradicting your absurd views, and stubbornly insist you are right. It’s a shame someone like you votes or has a voice in politics."
 
What do you think should be done with me?
 
"You are a complete disgrace,"
 
You are right.  I really need to be disciplined, I'll have my wife get right on that.  I promise not to enjoy myself.  No, really, I promise to hate it.
;)
 
"and you ought to be ashamed of yourself,"
 
IKR?   I'm a naughty boy.  Naughty, naughty, naughty.
;p
 
"you lowlife charlatan and moral midget."
 
Well, I am rather short.  I'm really buff though, I lost a lot of weight.
 
"You sneer and jeer at real Wisdom,"
 
Actually I'm sneering and jeering at you.  I think it's important that we have that understanding.
 
"I bet you can’t name seven conservative news sites online at all,"
 
Breitbart, Infowars, Fox News......no, you are right.  That's all I know.
 
"and you definitely haven’t read them for two months of your entire life."
 
I actually read Fox Monday-Friday.  I have an app on my phone and it is part of my feed.  I don't look at the app on the weekends because I am usually busy Saturday and Sunday doing other things.
 
I like my news balanced.  I read both Fox and CNN.
 
"So you are on here telling the rest of us you’ve cone to a conclusion on a controversial topic,"
 
You misspelled "come."  Is it against your views to spell something associated with a sexual act?
 
"WHICH IS A TOTAL WASTE OF EVERY ONES TIME ON WB, BECAUSE YOUVE NEVER SINCERELY AND HONESTLY CONSIDERED BOTH SIDES, YOU DELUSIONAL FRAUD!!"
 
Sure I did.  I  understand why this act offends a lot of people.  The point is that this whole thing was hijacked and politicized long ago.  It lost its original meaning and now it's turned into a patriotic tug of war.  In a way I'm glad the NFL made the rule.
 
"Please dont write anything at all, articles or comments, on WB until you’ve legitimately learned the history of your nation, can intelligently discuss seven conservative news sites, and can confirm you aren’t using psychotropic drugs and/or porn, both of which disable the reasoning capability.  Your reasoning capability has clearly been hijacked."
 
 I'll consider your request and give it the attention that it truly deserves.  I'll let you know what I decide.
..............................................................................................................................................
Ok, I decided.  Go fuck yourself, you self-righteous prick.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:35pm
Jeffrey, on your list of reasons for Trump to stick it to the NFL and its athletes, I vote for number 3. His vindictiveness over being snubbed by the NFL after his disastrous USFL fiasco has a long tail. We've already seen how motivated he is due to perceived or actual slights from the past. I vote for #3.
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:46pm
I vote for the culture war....  a reason not listed.
Obama kicked off Identity Politics, which leads directly to the current culture war. 
You cannot have a country with the people divided.   United we stand divided we fall.
The culture war is part of "cultural communism" as it emanates from the Frankfurt School.
 
Cultural communism central tenet is to create aggrieved groups, which then are used to break down civil society.
 
Trump is trolling the "Athletes" most of whom are not qualified to speak, and do not even know what they are talking about.  Running around with a ball doesn't mean you know anything about history, politics, or economics.  Shut up and play.
 
The plain fact of the matter is that blacks get arrested at a lower rate than they do crime;  the cops are avoiding black criminality.  
 
The data speaks for itself, most blacks have been wound-up by the media. We are living in up-side down land, where the claims are at 180 variance with the facts.
 
  So, the next question is why the media is lying to such a great degree.  Is the owned media purposefully using blacks as agents of destruction?
 
Trump is winning this culture war, as former white ticket buyers are "tuning" out, and now NFL owners are feeling it in their pocket-book.  
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:46pm
@ Pardero
Thank you for the comment.  I really enjoy football, college and pro.  I used to watch more sports but I simply don't have the time.
 
As for what the athletes, they come from these areas, many of them.  Their perception of what the police is far different than mine or yours.  I pay attention, I get that police have a difficult job.  Many of the things that people get upset about I don't understand.  I watched a video with the police begging a black teenager to put his weapon down, they didn't want to shoot him, to think about his mother, etc., etc.  The boy didn't drop the gun and instead pointed it at them.  They killed him.  It turns out that the gun was plastic and the boy had problems.  That's agonizing but the police did the right thing.
 
OTOH I see videos where the police stop a black driver for a routine stop where it suddenly goes very, very badly.  I watched a man stopped for wearing ear phones while driving suddenly surrounded by three other cop cars.  He refused (as his right) to let them search  his car.  Luckily a sergeant showed up, slow everything down, issue the ticket and send the man in his way.  I posted another video above.
 
With shit like this happening, why should black people trust the police?
 
Nice version of that song, always liked Elvis Costello.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:49pm
EABC, why are you commenting on this topic when you’ve just made it abundantly clear that you’ve never read seven conservative news sites in your entire life, and like that imposter Jeffrey, are simply parroting what the liberal puppetmasters feed you?
 
Jeffrey gets exposed, and rather than be gracious and grateful, he straightway bullheadedly indicates he loves being uninformed, and digs in. Wonderful demonstration on how Pride, ignorance, pigheadedness, and corruption are all related, Jeffrey.  A better lesson than I can ever give to the wise observers. Outstanding!! Thank you!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:52pm
@MEFOBILLS:
 "Trump is trolling the "Athletes" most of whom are not qualified to speak, and do not even know what they are talking about.  Running around with a ball doesn't mean you know anything about history, politics, or economics.  Shut up and play. "
 
I know this violates a certain authoritarian bent you have, Mefo, but here in the U.S. we allow people to speak their minds and comment on politics.  Naturally I respect your opinion on this matter but the fact is it has no bearing.  The players picked the wrong venue to express their opinion and the message got lost.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:54pm
@EABC:
 
I agree.  Trump is vindictive by nature.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:55pm
Jeffrey reveals why many Americans are easily duped by the AMERICA hating leftist media. Hasn’t got a solitary stat, but bases his opinions on anecdotes.
 
Thats called appeal to anecdote, Jeffrey, and it’s a LOGICAL FALLACY!!  You and the athletes are FULL of logical fallacies.  You are a menace to society.  It’s lazy and irresponsible voters like you that enable corrupt and ignorant Democrats into office.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 8:58pm
Hi, Ryan.  I want you to know that I think you are so full of self-righteous bullshit it's surprising you can actually type a sentence.  I thought you would be blind by now.
 
That said I respect your right to be a self-righteous prick.  We have room for all types.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 9:03pm
Totally agree, MEFOBILLS!! Jeffrey here has obviously never educated his opinion, as he clearly blithely admitted above, and is having a conniption that any American be asked to think, learn, and reason before stating political opinions, or voting. In Jeffrey’s mind, apparently a room full of kindergarteners would make great voters, becuz, deyz ‘Mericans.  You could be a drug addict and high as a kite,  but in Jeffrey’s world deyz gotta vote.  Gotta Do Dey duty, huh, Jeffrey?
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 9:05pm
I’m interested to know where you got the remote idea that I actually give two hoots about what your profane uninformed opinion is? Huge disconnect somewhere.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jun 10, 2018 - 9:11pm
All of this knee and anthem stuff is part of the bread and circuses designed to divert the masses attention from important issues our masters don't want us to take them to task for. 
 
For that matter professional sport itself is intended to do that very thing.
 
Judging by the server space consumed by this topic it appears to be working well.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 9:18pm
Bread and circuses, Jeffry.  I’ve never had a hellivision, and will never get one. I’m ashamed of the prodigious amounts of time I wasted in my youth on watching and listening to sports.  No wonder we are turning into a nation of morons.  Jeffrey is a perfect specimen ofthe gullible naive American who hates to be corrected.  Rather than be angry at the liberals who lied to him, he’s on the warpath against those who tell him the truth about his foolish delusions.  WBs premier leftist absurdity, Jeff Michka, should be joining us momentarily.  He will further educate us on why liberalism is a mental disease, by giving demonstrations.
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 10, 2018 - 9:20pm
I know this violates a certain authoritarian bent you have, Mefo, but here in the U.S. we allow people to speak their minds and comment on politics
 
If I'm buying tickets, then the athletes are my employees.  I'm not paying them to hear juvenile uninformed pap come from them.  Most of them are "programmed" to regurgitate falsehoods. 
 
Frankly, they are annoying and insulting.  No wonder people are tuning out.  
 
Trump is trolling them, and many of the ticket-holders don't like what they are hearing.  It is pretty visceral if you are a patriot, and there are "identity" groups who want to take down the country. 
No way Trump loses this battle with the "black caucus" who in turn are being manipulated with Identity Politics.
 
  Young athletes are being paid millions of dollars to run around with a ball, and then they are pissing on the very same country that gave them that opportunity.  
 
Taking away their money to give them an injection of reality is OK by me.
 
Just because you are an actor or a celebrity doesn't mean you know anything.  
 
Being dis-invited from the white house is even more trolling by Trump,  and keeping the pressure on.  
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 9:38pm
Boom MEFOBILLS!
 
And there it is folks, Jeffrey’s nonsensical virtue signaling blasted into smithereens with a reality nuke.  Lol. 
 
Stawp Jeffrey, you’re digging yourself in deeper.  You’re making my sides hurt with all this laffin’. Why I feels like Brer Rabbit, laffin’ at Brer Bear and Brer Fox.
 
Zip E Dee Doo Dah, Zip E Dee Ay, My oh my, what a wonderful day. 
 
Zip E Dee Doo Dah, Zip E Dee Ay,
Plenty of sunshine headed my way.
 
Reminds me of The hilarious tale of Brer Rabbit and the Whipme Whopme pudding. Lol.  It’s a great strategy for dealing with Democrats.  Speaking of which, Chandler Harris assembled the tales from slaves who talked about gettin over on the Democrat Massa’s.  We conservatives could learn a lot from Brer Rabbit today. Today’s Democrats are every bit as dim as Brer Fox and Brer Bear.  The Democrats haven’t changed much in the last 190 years.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:17pm
@Ryan Messano
”Totally agree, MEFOBILLS!! Jeffrey here has obviously never educated his opinion, as he clearly blithely admitted above, and is having a conniption that any American be asked to think, learn, and reason before stating political opinions, or voting.”
 
None of that’s in the constitution, Ryan, nor is it any amendments that have adjusted voting rights over the years.  Citizens are allowed to vote and people are allowed to express their opinions.  For example, you are a silly pinhead who vomits up stupid bullshit.  Does that mean that you shouldn’t be allowed to vote or express yourself?  Of course not.
 
“In Jeffrey’s mind, apparently a room full of kindergarteners would make great voters, becuz, deyz ‘Mericans.”
 
No, you silly fucktard.  A room full of kindergarteners is too young to vote.  Now, a room full of kindergarteners is obviously more intelligent and mature than you are, sadly your biological age allows you to vote.
 
“You could be a drug addict and high as a kite,  but in Jeffrey’s world deyz gotta vote.”
 
Hhhhhhhmmmmm, I think there are some local ordinances that don’t allow someone under the influence to vote.  I could be mistaken about that.....
 
“Gotta Do Dey duty, huh, Jeffrey?”
 
Have you suddenly gone full fucktard on me, Ryan?  Wouldn’t surprise me.
Bill H. Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:26pm
 
Great write, Jeffrey-
Knowing Trump's narcissistic personality well, I suspect the main reason Trump keeps harping on the players is because he simply can't stand to see blacks getting the attention and the amount of support they are receiving for exercising their right to protest. Many are quite aware of Trump's past dealings with blacks, as in the early '70s lawsuit he faced for refusing to rent to blacks. Or how about his quote to one of his casino bosses “Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day.” Or his $85,000 advertising campaign to bring back the death penalty in the case of the "Central Park Five" who were found not guilty when the real assailant confessed. Not to mention his "birther" campaign against Obama, and finally the "Shithole Countries" remark about Africa.
Obviously, he knows this stuff excites his base, but is simply just another knife in the back of creating unity in our country.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:29pm
@MEFOBILLS:
”If I'm buying tickets, then the athletes are my employees.  I'm not paying them to hear juvenile uninformed pap come from them.  Most of them are "programmed" to regurgitate falsehoods.”
 
I actually don’t disagree.  Most employers don’t allow employees to politicize at the workplace.  The rest of it is you showing your biases.
 

 “Trump is trolling them,”
 
Well, it is certainly a mature and presidential thing to do.
 
“and many of the ticket-holders don't like what they are hearing.”
 
Yes.  Unpleasant truths are difficult to deal with.
 
“It is pretty visceral if you are a patriot,”
 
These so-called patriots with their obsession with symbols.  
Is it patriotic to make people stand and venerate a symbol?  I don’t think so, only authoritarians force their ideas of patriotism on people.  
 
“and there are "identity" groups who want to take down the country.”
 
Yeah, I know.  Identity groups who don’t know their place.  
 
 

 
“Young athletes are being paid millions of dollars to run around with a ball,”
 
Just because you pay someone doesn’t take away their ability to think and express themselves.  Sorry, I know that upsets certain members of the populace but these men and women are allowed to share their concerns.  Their money allows them to make a difference.  I applaud them for speaking up.  The problem was their platform, not their message.
 
“and then they are pissing on the very same country that gave them that opportunity.”
 
How?  By speaking their minds?  Get over yourself.  These aren’t slaves.
 
 
“Just because you are an actor or a celebrity doesn't mean you know anything.”
 
Maybe so.  That doesn’t mean they can’t educate themselves and speak about things that concern them.
 

Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:36pm
@Ryan Messano:
 
”Stawp Jeffrey, you’re digging yourself in deeper.  You’re making my sides hurt with all this laffin’. Why I feels like Brer Rabbit, laffin’ at Brer Bear and Brer Fox.”
 
Oh, I get it now.  Ryan thinks he’s being funny by pulling out the racist bullshit.  What that shows me is that I was write, a room full of kindergarteners is both more intelligent and more mature than Ryan.  Got it.

 
“Zip E Dee Doo Dah, Zip E Dee Ay, My oh my, what a wonderful day. 
 
Zip E Dee Doo Dah, Zip E Dee Ay,
Plenty of sunshine headed my way.”
 
Yep.  Ryan, Kaepernick and the others are more successful than you and have a greater voice than you will ever have.  That must gnaw at you, doesn’t it?
 
”The Democrats haven’t changed much in the last 190 years.”
 
Actually they have.  The racist dumbasses, the old Dixiecrats, turned into Republicans.  
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:39pm
Kindly Don’t comment on the Constitution, Jeffrey, when you know nothing of the men who wrote it!!  Thank you!  
 
Voting was designed for informed opinions, not your profane and halfwitted nonsense.  Menaces to society like you have no business in the voting booth. You aren’t fit to vote.  It’s people like you who are to blame for the current state of our nation, because it’s your gullible votes that have us careening towards disaster.
 
A dimwit who throws the F-Bomb around for effect. Just goes to show you’ve got a weak mind and a weak argument.  Just like the athletes you support.  Birds of a feather flock together.  The media needs profane simpletons to make their agenda go, and they saw you coming.
 
Bill here is another WB winner.  Off his rocker, but keeps right on talking.  He too can’t name five biographies of the Founders he has read.  He has never read seven conservative news sites for two months of his life either. But that doesn’t stop him from impudently and insolently poking his grossly uninformed opinion into every conversation he can.
 
 
 
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:40pm
@Bill H:
I agree.  It galls him when it isn’t all about him so he lashes out like the giant baby he is.  
 
The sad thing is it works.  This stuff draws the rabid Trumplings and their fellow travelers out of their slime pits spout off.  See Ryan and Mefo as examples.
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:46pm
 fellow travelers out of their slime pits spout off.  See Ryan and Mefo as examples.
 
Never mind that our "spouting off" is resourced and supported.  Let's not let facts or reality get in the way of our shibboleths.  
 
Wonderland is so much more fun that reality-land.  
 
Natural law cannot be abridged.  No amount of make believe, clicking of the heels together, twisting of the tongue, and skipping past the graveyard while singing a comforting ditty can change natural laws.  
Ryan Messano Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:53pm
Amen, MEFOBILLS.  Jeffrey proves that it is easier to fool someone than to show them they are fooled. He loves his superstitious fables.
Flying Junior Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:53pm
Bill and Pardero,
 
It was a very eloquent article.  I wouldn't really know where to start if I were to tackle this subject.  Short and to-the-point is good.
 
Jeffrey and MEFO,
 
Thanks for reading Ryan's comments so I only had to read the highlights!
 
I don't think that the clever conservatives on the WB will take the bait.  They most likely won't weigh in.  There are also a couple of conservatives here who may sympathize with the teams and perhaps even the plight of blacks in America today.
 
True conservatives such as myself hate the monster with everything that we possess.
 
I mean it just sounds so fucking stupid on the surface...  The players are unpatriotic?!?  Who the hell would be dumb enough to accept that argument?  That's right.  It was a big win for Trump.  WTF is wrong with you guys?  Black people are Americans just as much as you radical-mad-as-a-hatter white guys.  Tea Partiers weren't this fucked up.  Paul Ryan looks like a hero for traditional values by comparison.  Upside-down reality.
 
You can't educate people in five minutes.  We have been reading, seeing and hearing about police abuses probably for better than ten years now.  You can't just condense that into one sound byte to make a reactionary conservative change their minds.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:57pm
@Ryan Messano:
”Kindly Don’t comment on the Constitution, Jeffrey, when you know nothing of the men who wrote it!!”
 
Let’s see.  I don’t remember asking for your permission to comment on anything.  
 
“Thank you!”
 
For what?
 
“Voting was designed for informed opinions, not your profane and halfwitted nonsense.”
 
What does voting have to do with opinions?
 
“Menaces to society like you have no business in the voting booth.”
 
I’m a menace?  For calling you a fucktard and saying a group of kindergarteners is both more intelligent and more mature than you?  Well, that’s simply the truth.
 
“You aren’t fit to vote.”
 
The law says otherwise.  Sorry.  Your opinion means squat.
 
“It’s people like you who are to blame for the current state of our nation, because it’s your gullible votes that have us careening towards disaster.”
 
Hey, don’t blame me for this.  I vote Democrat and I sure as hell didn’t vote for the bloated orange manatee currently fouling the White House with his stench.  Sorry, right now he’s fouling up Air Force One.
 
“A dimwit who throws the F-Bomb around for effect.”
 
I have a unique way with words.  It’s what makes me such a charmer.
 
I just deleted the rest of your raving.  Sorry, got old.
 
“Bill here is another WB winner.”
 
Bill is worth 30 of you, Ryan.  You are just a grotesque caricature of a human, frankly I’ve met Holocaust deniers that I found more interesting.  Even Tom Purcell is more amusing than you.  The only lower form of life than you is Billy Roper.
 
Bill H. Added Jun 10, 2018 - 11:57pm
FJ - Many out here would absolutely be surprised about how I have voted in the past.
'nuff said!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:02am
@ Flying Junior
My only agreement with conservatives is that I think kneeling was the wrong way to go about this.  Better to have gone into the community, worked to bridge gaps, be involved politically.  Too many jugheads out their will lose their minds over players kneeling for their precious flag.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:04am
@Bill H
I’ve always voted Democrat even though I grew up in a conservative household.  The thing is my father encouraged me to think for myself.  It never bothered him what my political views were, he wanted me to be my own person.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:05am
I always loved him for that.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:09am
@MEFOBILLS:
”Never mind that our "spouting off" is resourced and supported.  Let's not let facts or reality get in the way of our shibboleths.”
 
Yes, let’s play google tag.  I’ll find sources that refutes yours and you can rebut with other sources.
Sorry.  We both know we can find data that supports our views.  I simply have no interest. 
 
 
“Natural law cannot be abridged.  No amount of make believe, clicking of the heels together, twisting of the tongue, and skipping past the graveyard while singing a comforting ditty can change natural laws.”
 
Yeah, I know.  Athletes are a lower form of life.  It’s really too bad for you that you were born eighty years too late.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:13am
Ah, fellow leftist degenerate Flying J, who is habitually wrong on nearly everything shows up, to obsequiously and sycophantically brown nose Bill and Jeffrey.  These liberal men are almost like women!! Lol!! They are like gossipy housewives.  Birds of a feather certainly flock together.
 
You know, I’m beginning to understand that you leftist men, weak, effeminate, deluded, and emasculated that are the problem in America. I’m going to catalog all the leftist men on WB on my next article.  I’ll be detailing their special quirks and idiosyncrasies, and advising any woman who values her sanity not to marry you.  Your whack ideas are bad enough, we don’t need kids with the same ideas.  Thankfully, atheists and leftist men are normally weak and unattractive, and are too lazy to reproduce.  They love sex without responsibility, so they do society a favor, and kill their ideas off for the rest of us.  Very patriotic!
 
Flying J, you are a pathetic excuse for a conservative.  You are a beta male and a cuck.  Why don’t you put a lid on it, Flying Jeer, until you’ve educated that addled and profane opinion of yours.  Our nation has too many corrupt know nothing’s like you running around who love to run your mouth, and absolutely HATE to learn, listen, and think.
 
Yup, Jeffrey, you are recalcitrant.  Huge part of your problem.  You should have been whipped as a child, but your parents didn’t love you enough to discipline you.  
 
Serioisly?  “What does voting have to do with opinions”? I bet your fellow loonies on the left know the answer to that one.  
 
Profane indifference  is a menace to society. 
 
You arent bright enough to have a conversation with, and like all Democrat tyrants, are now arbitrarily deleting opinions you don’t like for no reason at all. If it weren’t for double standards, you’d have no standards.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:20am
Wow!  I figured out you lacked parental discipline while you were writing it for all of us to see.
 
Most of you liberals never had anyone love you enough to correct you.  
 
“Rivers and men both run crooked when they follow the path of least resistance”
Thoreau
 
Every liberal man on here went way crooked.
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:24am
Jeffry,
You cannot play Google tag with the Black Crime Rate.  That is hard data. 
With regards to Identity Politics, that is also a 'real thing' and not a figment. 
If somebody is unwilling to confront hard truths, then they are a non-serious person.  Children pretend and make believe, while adults deal with reality.
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:27am
Jeffrey,
Athlete's are not a lower life form.  That is you making a straw-man.
 
If you are paying their salary to have them run around chasing a ball, you are not paying them for their opinion.  
 
They are effectively voicing their opinion when they take a knee during the "event" for which people paid good money to attend.
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:32am
@Ryan Messano:
”I’m going to catalog all the leftist men on WB on my next article.  I’ll be detailing their special quirks and idiosyncrasies, and advising any woman who values her sanity not to marry you.”
 
I am married, Ryan.  I have two lovely boys.
 
  “Your whack ideas are bad enough, we don’t need kids with the same ideas.”
 
I’m teaching my children to be actual human beings.  Not like you.
 
“Thankfully, atheists and leftist men are normally weak and unattractive, and are too lazy to reproduce.”
 
LOL, that’s rich, coming from you.
 
“They love sex without responsibility, so they do society a favor, and kill their ideas off for the rest of us.  Very patriotic!”
 
Well, I do love sex.
 
“Flying J, you are a pathetic excuse for a conservative.  You are a beta male and a cuck.  Why don’t you put a lid on it, Flying Jeer, until you’ve educated that addled and profane opinion of yours.  Our nation has too many corrupt know nothing’s like you running around who love to run your mouth, and absolutely HATE to learn, listen, and think.”
 
Wow.  A beta male and a cuck, taken right out of the alt-right manual.  Nice.
 
“Yup, Jeffrey, you are recalcitrant.  Huge part of your problem.  You should have been whipped as a child, but your parents didn’t love you enough to discipline you.”
 
Aaaaaawwww, that would hurt my feelings if I gave a shit.
 
“Serioisly?”
 
FFS, will you please concentrate while you are writing?  My spell check freaked out over this bastardized version of “seriously.”
 
 
“What does voting have to do with opinions”? I bet your fellow loonies on the left know the answer to that one.”
 
Opinions are subjective, Ryan.  My opinions on things are not the same as everyone else’s.  My opinions weigh in when I vote for someone but they are my own.
 
“You arent bright enough”
 
You aren’t bright enough to remember the apostrophe in “aren’t.”
 
“to have a conversation with,”
 
OK, bye.
 
“and like all Democrat tyrants, are now arbitrarily deleting opinions you don’t like for no reason at all. If it weren’t for double standards, you’d have no standards.”
 
I don’t delete comments, Ryan.  I limit that only personal attacks on my family.  You haven’t crossed that line so I haven’t deleted any of your comments.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:33am
Now, I may choose to only comment on part of your statement.  But I leave your original statement intact.
Bill H. Added Jun 11, 2018 - 1:14am
 
Ryan - I have been very happily married to the same beautiful lady since 1970. I have done quite well for myself and have many friends all over the world, as my wife worked for the airlines for many years and we traveled every chance we could.
I will not stoop as low as you do to demean myself and all of the other respectable people out here, no matter what their beliefs or opinions are.
And you are setting the poorest example possible for anyone who calls themselves a "Christian".
Flying Junior Added Jun 11, 2018 - 2:13am


I finally got your goat, huh Ryan?
 
Amp down.  The only time I ever attacked you was when you perverted the teachings of Christ.  That's blasphemy, bro.
 
I call myself a conservative because I am all about preserving the American way of life.  All the way from John Adams to Dwight David Eisenhower.  From California to the New York Island.  Civil rights.  Public schools.  The finest Universities in the world.  A free press.  An inclusive society as defined by the post-war U.S.A.  Environmental regulations.  Equal rights for women.  Non-discrimination.  Sound policy.  Consumer protections.  That's what I call conservative.
 
O/T  Why didn't any other congress critters support Ted Kennedy's efforts to cap credit card interest rates at 18%?
 
We have lost our way.

Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 11:57am
@Ryan Messano:
”Wow!  I figured out you lacked parental discipline while you were writing it for all of us to see.
 
Most of you liberals never had anyone love you enough to correct you.”
 
Wow, Ryan, did your parents beat you into stupid?
 
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:10pm
FJ,
 
Usury comes in many forms.  It is a power relation, where there is a "taking" in the form of prices.  
 
18% interest on money is usury.  But interest on money doesn't always have to be usury.  
 
For example, Schacht's Mefobills sourced the interest outward from Reichsbank toward the holder of the Bill.  The longer the holder held the bill the more "interest" he earned.  Bills were channeled into industry to make goods, so at first they were credit, and then when redeemed they converted to money.
 
Benjamin Franklin's Philadelphia Colony had a State Bank (of Benjamin's design).  This state bank would issue money from nothing, and pay it into the commons... building things like bridges, ports, and roads.   This money became wages then savings, and was then available to pay interest on loans... at which time it cycled back to the bank.  
 
In other words, the interest that Benjamin charged from state bank was not usurious.  He also limited loan cycle to 8 years, to prevent loan from going exponential.
 
So, how the interest rate curve is calculated is also part of the the "power relation."  Predatory money lenders (Jews especially) would take an exponential on the populations that could never be paid back.  This is easy to do if you see the "other" as an animal, and somebody to be harvested.  
 
Bill Clinton's new democrats took up common cause with Wall Street.   Obama's new democrats protected wall street and the bankers especially after 2008 crash.  Please - both the left and right engages in usury today.  
 
Usury used to be a mortal sin in all the major religions, but now it is normed out of our consciousness.   People think it is just high interest rates - but it is no.  Ask yourself, why was this concept normed out of our historical and collective conscious?  
 
Usury also comes in high prices.  For example an industry monopolizes some sector of the economy, to then charge high prices.  Sometimes this is called rents.  Rent's,  Monopoly,  and in general "taking" something for nothing is usury.  
 
All of these takings are a power relation, where predators are mounting innocent people, who did not give their consent.  The taking of something for nothing implies there is a power relation where the victim has no say - or is a target.  The worst forms of usury are the taking of the victims life energy - making them slaves of a sort.  
 
This is not a left-right thing, it is a predator human thing.   Ted Kennedy did his share of damage, especially the 1965 immigration act.  This leads directly to the importation of third world people, who are then taken advantage of to take wage arbitrage on their life energy.  Now, these people and their descendants are being used in identity politics, so Oligarchy can continue to take their rents and usury.  
 
Unfortunately, the left is now an apologist for the importation of third world people.  Leftist people, who tend to have pathological altruism, actually do unwitting damage because they are easily duped. Leftists are emotionally driven and tend not to be rational.
 
  It is not a kindness to go along with Oligarchy's usurious schemes.  It is especially not a kindness to be an apologist and unwitting accomplice.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:14pm
@MEFOBILLS:
”Jeffry,
You cannot play Google tag with the Black Crime Rate.  That is hard data. 
With regards to Identity Politics, that is also a 'real thing' and not a figment. 
If somebody is unwilling to confront hard truths, then they are a non-serious person.  Children pretend and make believe, while adults deal with reality.”
 
No, what adults do is look at why things happen.  Crime occurs because of many reasons, none of which have to do with race.  If I live in poverty and I turn to crime to survive then it doesn’t matter what the color of skin is.  This is a social issue, not a racial one.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:15pm
@MEFOBILLS:
You said:
”Natural law cannot be abridged.  No amount of make believe, clicking of the heels together, twisting of the tongue, and skipping past the graveyard while singing a comforting ditty can change natural laws.”
 
So, how did I make a straw man?
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:17pm
Jeffrey,
 
“You arent bright enough”
 
You aren’t bright enough to remember the apostrophe in “aren’t.”
 
“to have a conversation with,”
______________
 
Please stop with the spelling police shit.  You automatically lose when you resort to those type of low-brow tactics.  The content of somebodies character, or the value of their contribution is above and outside of "spelling and punctuation."
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:23pm
@MEFOBILLS:
”Please stop with the spelling police shit.  You automatically lose when you resort to those type of low-brow tactics.”
 
I’ll do as I please, Mefo.  I ordinarily don’t but Ryan is such a self-righteous retard that I take delight in pointing out his flaws.
 
“The content of somebodies character, or the value of their contribution is above and outside of "spelling and punctuation."
 
That doesn’t apply to Ryan.  He makes no contributions and has no character.
 
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:41pm
You can do as you please, but just remember, you automatically loose.  Find another way.  
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 11, 2018 - 12:42pm
sorry   Lose.
Pardero Added Jun 11, 2018 - 1:31pm
Jeffrey Kelly,
This is the straw man:
JK >"Athletes are a lower form of life."
MEFOBILLS did not state or imply that, by saying the ballplayers had no business staging a protest at their place of employment, or stating that they should stick to their game instead of being politicos.
 
You have kept your cool a lot better than I would have, were I in your shoes. I'd have been throwing sand in people's eyes a long time ago. ; )
 
I have no idea how Mustafa stays so cool. The man is unflappable.
 
MEFOBILLS is right about your nitpicks. I have found you to be a most capable and relentless adversary in the past. I expect to see you return to your fine fighting form, and whether or not you win the debate, you have always given a fine account of yourself.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 1:45pm
@MEFOBILLS:
 "I always lose"
Funny, you always say that.  It's easy to proclaim yet impossible to back up.
 
No worries about the "loose," I only press that with people I find stupid and beneath contempt.  Ryan qualifies , you do not.  You are intelligent, albeit very misguided.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 1:47pm
Just to be clear, Pardero and Mefo:
 
I actually agree that the protest chose the wrong forum.  
Pardero Added Jun 11, 2018 - 2:44pm
I know you do. That is why some of the criticism is unwarranted, since you are defending a reasonable position, not an extreme one.
 
Don't take it that I am ganging up or piling on. You have always been fair and respectful when we disagreed, even when drive-by interlopers tossed stink bombs into the fray. I am somewhat to the right of you, but not so far that your opinions carry no weight with me.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 4:06pm
Thanks, Pardero.
Flying Junior Added Jun 11, 2018 - 4:50pm
I agree with you on one thing MEFOBILLS.  Kennedy's ideas about regulating the banks were certainly superior to those of Bill Clinton.
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 11, 2018 - 5:16pm
 
@MEFOBILLS:
 "I always lose"
Funny, you always say that.  It's easy to proclaim yet impossible to back up.
 
Jeffrey,  I don't always say that.  That is you putting words in my mouth a form of strawman.
 
If you are the spell police, then you've lowered yourself - it makes you a loser.  I am referring to a specific type of behavior, not the argument.  It is simple enough to avoid bad behaviors.
 
Jones is also the spelling police.  Strawman's, ad-hominem's, and spelling police ... if you engage in these things, it means you automatically lose.  
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 11, 2018 - 5:19pm
"I’ll do as I please, Mefo." Jeffrey
 
Perfect illustration of what is wrong with liberal men.
 
Self willed with no self discipline whatsoever.  Their thinking is totally off as a result.  But don't tell them that, they will make you out to be the Gestapo.   
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 11, 2018 - 5:22pm
FJ,
 
 Kennedy's ideas about regulating the bank
 
We'll we saw what happened to Kennedy.  Usually any president that try's to take on the money powers comes to a quick end.  They send out their assassin agents.  Garfield and Jackson come to mind, although Jackson survived.  Lincoln likely was assassinated due to his green-backs (treasury money) which were proving popular and working well.
 
 
Pardero Added Jun 11, 2018 - 6:08pm
Flying Junior,
I want to give you a shout out because I never got back to you on a couple of other threads. Sometimes, I can read a bit, but not hit keys, then I forget to return.
I am waving at you from the high desert!
 
Thankfully, Jones has not found this thread.
Flying Junior Added Jun 11, 2018 - 8:09pm
Good to see you.  You and I were on the edge of a breakthrough.
 
I participated in a choir concert yesterday afternoon.  I accompanied the choir with piano on several numbers including blues, gospel and honky-tonk.  I was playing an orchestral sound on the big organ as well as a nifty reduction from The Creation by Franz Josef Haydn.
Jeff Michka Added Jun 11, 2018 - 8:26pm
Lyin' Ryan has new friends on WB,  MOFOSWILL, your education project, Pardero and TratorLynn.  At a point, Ryan will personally insult your family, accuse you of drug use, and a host of other things that have no meaning save to Ryan.  Ryanism is what's wrong in America.  Oh! don't throw crap back at Lyin' Ryan!!!  That's not nice!!! Awwwwwww.   You're completely ok, Kelly.  Keep up the fire. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 8:43pm
@MEFOBILLS:
 
Funny, you said this:
 "Jeffrey,  I don't always say that.  That is you putting words in my mouth a form of strawman.
 
Yet you said this:
 
"Jones is also the spelling police.  Strawman's, ad-hominem's, and spelling police ... if you engage in these things, it means you automatically lose."
 
 So, you told me you don't always say one thing yet you say I automatically lose when I do something.
 
How odd, Mefo.
 
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 11, 2018 - 8:46pm
Michka, 
 
You engage in ad-hominems, so when Ryan does it to you, you act all butt-hurt.
 
My suggestion is just don't do it.  Ad-Hominems are a low form of argument.  They might make you feel good, but they don't sway the target audience.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 8:51pm
@Ryan Messano:
 
 ""I’ll do as I please, Mefo." Jeffrey"
 
Damn straight I will.
 
"Perfect illustration of what is wrong with liberal men."
 
 Don't you have some local bar that you can go hang out in front of?  You know, to scream Bible babble about the evils of drink and to tell them to repent or they will burn in hell for all eternity?
 
"Self willed with no self discipline whatsoever.  Their thinking is totally off as a result.  But don't tell them that, they will make you out to be the Gestapo."
 
 Ryan, I will speak my fucking mind on whatever topic I feel like speaking my fucking mind on.  Especially if it's an article I wrote.  If you don't like it you can go piss up a rope.
 
Oopsie, I just used harsh language with WB's resident fucktard.  I suspect this will send him into an infantile rage.  Stay tuned!!!!!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 8:54pm
Wow, Mefo, you are going to give WB's resident cat lady Doug Plumb a run for his money on the whole conspiraloon thing.  Careful, you are more coherent than he is, he will get jealous.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 8:55pm
Hi, Jeff M.!!!!
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 11, 2018 - 9:00pm
Jeffrey,
No, what adults do is look at why things happen.  Crime occurs because of many reasons, none of which have to do with race.
 
That is an untruth.  Blacks in particular have higher crime rates wherever they are in the world.  In highly regulated societies, the black crime rate is lower.  For example, in the U.S. South, black crime rate was lower than today, when there are more freedoms.
 
The reason for the higher crime rates his higher testosterone levels, lower impulse control, and a lower forward time orientation.  No African language coded for "future" concepts, higher counting, or abstractions.
 
Aboriginals in Australia (who are Asiatics) have a similar evolutionary pathway to Africa.
 
All of these things are outputs of evolution especially the impact of long fourth ice ages.
 
Those groups that had to chase animals through the seasons learned to count and to plan ahead for their meals.  There was also extreme pressure to get along in the "group" because of group survival.
 
Northeast Asians are the most ice age adapted people, and it can be seen in their group behaviors, and high "shaming" cultures.  
 
As soon as people stop with the bull shit and get on board the reality train, then better and "tailored" solutions can be had for known group differences.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 11, 2018 - 11:27pm
Yeah, I know.  Blacks are “different” because pseudoscience tells us so.
 
What are better and more “tailored” solutions?
Pardero Added Jun 12, 2018 - 12:03am
Jeffrey Kelly,
I want to barge in here before MEFO gives you a more definitive answer.
 
A growing number of experts are advocating a highly structured and disciplined environment, instead of Ritalin for ADHD children. I believe that such a course would also benefit some demographic groups, especially boys. It may also require drastic intervention to break multi-generational cycles.
 
A similar conversation got Rusty Smith bent out of shape a while back, but you are more flexible and tolerant.
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 12, 2018 - 12:16am
Yeah, I know.  Blacks are “different” because pseudoscience tells us so.
 
What are better and more “tailored” solutions?
 
1) All Boys Schools
2) Men teaching at the Schools
3) Intact families .... no more Black Matriarchies
4) Renewed Segregation along with ownership
(Ownership means owning land/business and having roots in the economy.  This then creates a virtuous cycle.)
5) Renewal of Black Colleges 
 
(Basically go back to Booker T. Washington and WEB Dubois Debates.  Booker T. didn't have any illusions about the Black Community.  He often talked about the vital "tenth" that are required to help lead.  Today, the Vital "tenth" escapes to live in white neighborhoods.)
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 12, 2018 - 12:19am
Agree 100% with Pardero. 
 
Kind of sad six people liked this post, when Jeffrey is utterly clueless. He knows no statistics, and is simply parroting what the bogus media and “experts” on hellivision tell him.  
 
But, there are ten liberal pansies/conservative humbugs on WB.
 
They include Stone, Jeffrey, Mocha errr.... Michka, though if polluting a conversation like Mocha pollutes the sight of pure water were to be a naming attribute, Jeff deserves Mocha as a surname, Bill H, and Bill K., Cliff, EABC, Mustafa, Opher,   Dave, and lastly, satanist James Travil. 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 12, 2018 - 12:20am
*eleven
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 12, 2018 - 1:55am
Ryan,
Think of the Liberals as like leavening.  I'm trying to be Kosher since we are talking about liberals here....  No yeast.   The tribe and liberals go together like Lox and Bagels.  
 
They help the bagel get baked.  Also, liberals provide good insights into the workings of their minds. Be clinical about it rather than letting it make you crazy... some people are wired differently.  People are NOT all the same.  
 
(And yes, the races are not the same, and men and women are not the same.... this is obvious, but saying it is politically incorrect.)
 
Some liberal ideas are actually correct.   On the money question they are usually more correct than conservatives.  Often conservatives are shills for Oligarchy and Plutocracy.  Some libertarian/conservative ideas are especially insane and are easily deconstructed, yet these libertarian-tards continue bleeting out their shibboleths with the same vigor that Liberals use to virtue signal.  
 
Pardero Added Jun 12, 2018 - 2:18am
Ryan Messano,
Thank you.
 
MEFOBILLS'S reply is much more definitive and informed (I should print it!), though I am sure that the boys schools would be highly structured and disciplined. We could give those boys the tools they would need to cope with adolescent stresses. Then we could train them up for a productive career that would give them a stake in society. It may sound liberal, but it would be cheaper than incarcerating many of them, if we continue only to maintain the present failure of a status quo.
 
On your list of liberals, some of them will be proud to be there, but I have Bill Kamps as a conservative who is exceptionally non-confrontational and diplomatic with a smooth, sophisticated, and articulate writing style, that makes him seem more liberal than he is. He strikes me as a principled Christian who believes in the sanctity of life.
Cliff strikes me as a centrist with populist and labor leanings.
Bill H. probably considers himself a centrist, though his creative, tolerant, and compassionate side may move him to center left.
Mustafa is complex, but I consider him to be about as far right as someone with the heart of a poet and philosopher can comfortably go. His appreciation of history, tradition, and culture would naturally make him a conservative. His great appreciation for art, beauty, and tolerance would balance that.
James Travil was once a conservative Christian. He is also complex and is a combination of traditional and progressive. On average, he is a centrist who leans conservative on some issues, progressive on others. His present belief system was formed due to extreme religious intolerance and hypocrisy. 
 
I do not presently have a testimony, though there is nothing else to keep me from being a good Christian. Many years ago, I married into a fanatical fundamentalist Christian sect. The experience, or I should say ordeal, had a profound effect on me, though not as profound as James's similar experience. A fanatical and corrupt sect also contributed to the suicide of my best friend. I do, however, remain Christian friendly, though cautious. I try to live by the maxim, don't judge a group by the actions of a few.
 
Since I am a pacifist, I highly value those who oppose the foreign interventions, wars, and the military industrial complex. Like you, I have a judgemental side. I judge warmonger=enemy, peacenik=ally, though I adjust a bit for nuanced positions.
 
Many of your 'liberals' are much appreciated allies in the cause of peace, and that is the issue closest to my heart, sometimes to the near exclusion of most other issues. I am also deeply concerned about our corrupt banking and financial system, along with the undue influence of big money in politics. 
 
Otherwise, I am a garden variety conservative, with a reasonable helping of tolerance, and a great appreciation for thoughtful and interesting people.
 
I have probably done a disservice to some unique characters by pigeonholing them with my clumsy descriptions, but they may all be tolerant enough to let it go.
Likely, I am just as intolerant of evil and corruption as you are, I just don't see much of it on these pages. Since you seem to be positively disposed towards our conservative 'gay' writer, Riley Brown, you may not be as intolerant as you appear. I always liked Tomboys, myself, but back then, Tomboys liked boys, not other girls. 
Flying Junior Added Jun 12, 2018 - 5:50am
The high desert in San Diego County is the Santa Rosa Mountains on the northern border of the Anza-Borrego Desert State Park.  I actually found them and climbed the foothills as a young man of twenty-four with my friends.  It was an untravelled area.  We could tell by the interesting rocks from calcium deposits.
 
Although the temperatures were mild and the hillsides quite safe and navigable, there was scant evidence of human presence.
Pardero Added Jun 12, 2018 - 7:00am
That is an uncommon experience.
Several years ago, I was curious about some barren hills that the town had grown around. I was thinking that I could get a decent hike right there.
 
I ascended and found a small plateau. Just as I was enjoying the accomplishment, I brushed something off my leg, but felt many more. I noticed that the ground was covered with flying ants, as far as I could see. I fled. Perhaps a seasonal problem, but I never felt the urge to return.
wsucram15 Added Jun 12, 2018 - 8:21am
Lets see.. where to begin on this one , oooo
Lets start with the author. Nice article Jeffrey, well written and has a good perspective.
On Politics, I didnt see a person on here commenting on politics, except the author. Unless of course you take into account the data on women provided by one of the commenters one of which was a personal diatribe in a irish catholic magazine and the other 5 years old, but the origin data (a spreadsheet) doesnt show huge variances in knowledge except in the UK, Canada and Norway.  In fact the male knowledge in the US is amazingly low according to this.
However another study was done in 2016 by NIH, showing that women are less likely to provide any answer than to be wrong. The "dont know" category seemed to penalize them often.  So While a mans avg mean score on positive knowledge was a 6..a woman's was a 4.5.  However on Political Accuracy the mean was 6.5 for men and 6.2 for women. Not as big a difference there.
Much of this has to do with actual engagement in the political process,  something I think you will find has changed significantly in the past two years.   Having been part of this process since I was much younger..I just find overall people are much more engaged now.  Therefore, the stats are likely to change.
We can talk politics or the law..but its an argument. I dont like to argue, especially with people stuck in an ideal so outdated that the majority of the world will never tolerate it.  The battles are being fought and won in the political arenas now.  We fought and just got a  repeal from congress on the FCCs net neutrality, which stops paid prioritization among other things related to content.   This was a concern to small businesses who make up the majority of employers in the US.  Also the consumer who would have had no fast lane service at all.   This has been going on for several years.
There is so much going on politically and I NEVER see it discussed on here, never.  I see a bunch of people talking about media garbage..but not politics.
The author addressed a specific topic related to Trump and the Eagles.  It was his opinion and he presented some facts which made him feel the way he did.  The President has the right to cancel the meeting for lack of attendance, just like the players have the right not to attend for dislike of his policies. This is not set in stone.
On the other hand, over 1,000 Eagles fans were set to attend this event re titled "Celebration of America" and had instead many suited people singing the National Anthem and God Bless America, not one Eagles jersey in site and none of the people in attendance knew much about the team when asked.
Seems to me that there is much more going on here than just a lack of respect on one side. This is a multi-cultural issue coupled with an extreme dislike of a President that fuels hate or just stirs the pot of the dislike in the lower middle class and white folks who really do blame other cultures for their problems.
 
This isnt about a knee, sports, lack of knowledge or having knowledge..its about hate, anger and resentment - all the way around.  Which is a shame.
George N Romey Added Jun 12, 2018 - 8:46am
As much as I see Trump as a buffoon it’s his right to invite or disinvite people to the WH. I also agree that too many professional athletes like to bite the hand that feeds them. How many professional athletes in China make well into the millions?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 12, 2018 - 11:18am
@George N. Romey:
”As much as I see Trump as a buffoon it’s his right to invite or disinvite people to the WH.”
 
Absolutely.  He is perfectly within his rights to invite or disinvite anyone he wants.  It’s just more proof that he is a giant baby who hates when people don’t tow his line.
 
“I also agree that too many professional athletes like to bite the hand that feeds them.”
 
How so?
 
“How many professional athletes in China make well into the millions?”
 
Why is this relevant?
 
I have no problem with athletes making as much money as they can.  Lord knows the owners make billions off their labor and discard them when their skills decline.  Get the money while you can, these men and women are entertainers and people come to see them.  It’s no different than actors or actresses.  Or bands and singers.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 12, 2018 - 11:26am
@wsucram15:
 
Well said.  Did you see the pictures of the guy that showed up and knelt?  Good for him.
 
I am wary of statistics in general, too much manipulation can spin them any way you like.
 
 
wsucram15 Added Jun 12, 2018 - 12:14pm
Jeffrey:
Thanks. Who didnt see that..it made Time magazine?  But yes, that was quite a statement.  I agree.
I did the current statistics to show the change in narrative...and they will change again.
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 12, 2018 - 12:46pm
 
Wuscram say's this:
 
 In fact the male knowledge in the US is amazingly low according to this.
However another study was done in 2016 by NIH, showing that women are less likely to provide any answer than to be wrong. The "dont know" category seemed to penalize them often.  So While a mans avg mean score on positive knowledge was a 6..a woman's was a 4.5.  However on Political Accuracy the mean was 6.5 for men and 6.2 for women. Not as big a difference there.
 
Sorry, the 10,000 person study by ESRC says otherwise.  30% is a big number, and acquiring knowledge later in life makes young women unfit to vote:
Women know little, and younger women even less




 




Professor James Curran, Director of the Goldsmiths Leverhulme Media Research Centre at the University of London, was surprised to find that gaps in political knowledge are wider in countries that have done the most to promote gender equality. These gender gaps in Norway, the UK and the US are as large, or larger than gaps in South Korea and Japan.
 
Women's scores in the UK, the US, and Canada were more than 30% lower on average than men, whereas in Greece, Italy and Korea, women's average score was only 20% lower. The UK is positioned at 18/135 in the WEF gender equality rankings, while Korea is placed at 108.
Academic studies have previously found that women have higher levels of risk aversion and so are afraid of being wrong. When faced with multiple-choice questions, women are more likely to give a 'don't know' response than men. Others argue that the questions used to gauge political knowledge tend not to be gender-neutral and that women's political knowledge is more concerned with a personal experience of local politics and government programmes relating to daily life.
ESRC researchers found that the frequency with which people watch the news on television plays a role in gender gaps. Apart from Colombia and the US, the more people watch TV news, the better informed they tend to be. However, watching, reading and listening to the news tend to be more male activities, particularly in Canada, Norway, UK and US.
Age is also a factor in women's interest in political affairs. The study found that women acquire political knowledge much later in their lives than men, 
Pardero Added Jun 12, 2018 - 1:19pm
MEFOBILLS,
Some people just gotta hate it when cold hard facts shred fantasy narratives.
Pardero Added Jun 12, 2018 - 1:29pm
wsucram15,
Here is the politics you requested:
1.SJWs versus spectators
SJWs routed
2. SJWs versus Trump
SJWs body slammed
 
The rest of your screed is just some identity politics quiche in cow patty sauce.
 
MEFOBILLS Added Jun 12, 2018 - 3:52pm
Jeffrey,
It is ok to be wary and to be skeptical.  
 
I am wary of statistics in general, too much manipulation can spin them any way you like.
 
Sometimes people do lie with numbers.  However, when there is 360 degree of evidence pointing in a direction, over long spans of time, then being skeptical is being stupid. 
 
Don't use skepticism as a sop to then retreat into false narratives.  
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 12, 2018 - 10:14pm
My, my.  Well, I will need to dig through all of this tomorrow.
Rusty Smith Added Jun 13, 2018 - 12:45pm
Jeffrey Kelly the NFL players are not your average employees, they are spectacularly well paid entertainers who sign up for a job that requires they go where they are told to go, when they are told to, dress in clothes that they are given, and sit, stand, talk and play when and where they are told to when they are working.
 
There never has been any question that players that don't do what they are told to, including sitting, standing, and walking to and from where they are told to be at certain times, are not fully complying with the NFL's picture perfect image.  
 
The NFL may not have the guts to sideline players who want to do their own thing and visibly alter the unified and well corrigrahed  imagery that the NFL is so well known for but I wish they would.  
 
As for Trump, I think he was smart to let them stay home.  The NFL has already proven they don't have the guts or power to control the behavior of their payers and players who are willing to defy the NFL rules at games well might have made quite a spectacle of themselves at the White House if they had been allowed to that very well publicized event.  
 
Maybe in the future players who want to make bold public statements will consider doing it on their own time instead of breaking the rules and spoiling the fun for their team teammates.  
 
One thing for sure, those who insisted on taking a knee have chased away about 10% of their viewers, which will ultimately reduce the money that's available to fund future NBA athletes.  I'm sure they think it's worth it, but I just think they are inconsiderate rich spoiled brats.  Of all the black people in the US, they are among the least qualified to feel cheated, unappreciated and oppressed by our great country.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 13, 2018 - 2:25pm
@Rusty Smith:
Jeffrey Kelly the NFL players are not your average employees, they are spectacularly well paid entertainers”
 
Well, consider they destroy their bodies during the course of their career I suppose they need to be well compensated.
They get a percentage of the billions the NFL rakes in every year.  They need to well compensated considering they are the reason those billions get raked in.  Nobody cares about the owners.
 
“who sign up for a job”
 
Actually the teams draft those players.  They have no other options besides those teams unless they decide to sit out.  
 
“that requires they go where they are told to go, when they are told to, dress in clothes that they are given, and sit, stand, talk and play when and where they are told to when they are working.”
 
Pretty much like every employee everywhere.  Though you make it sound so totalitarian, they have to stay on the field during the game but no one cares if they sit or stand.  I suppose they can talk to whoever they like as long as a coach doesn’t need them.
 
“There never has been any question that players that don't do what they are told to, including sitting, standing, and walking to and from where they are told to be at certain times, are not fully complying with the NFL's picture perfect image.”
 
Except that in this case there were no rules in place for players during the Anthem.  Also, this whole players out on the field thing during the Anthem is relatively new.  
 
“The NFL may not have the guts to sideline players who want to do their own thing and visibly alter the unified and well corrigrahed  imagery that the NFL is so well known for but I wish they would.”
 
I think it’s a decent compromise, those who don’t want to stand can stay in the locker room.  Those out on the field that don’t stand will cause their team to pay a fine.
 
“As for Trump, I think he was smart to let them stay home.”
 
I think it’s just another way for Thud to show his immaturity.  Naturally he has the right to be the biggest baby he wants to be.
 
 
“The NFL has already proven they don't have the guts or power to control the behavior of their payers and players who are willing to defy the NFL rules”
 
Except that there was no rule regarding player behavior during the Anthem.  There is now.
 
“at games well might have made quite a spectacle of themselves at the White House if they had been allowed to that very well publicized event.”
 
Except that most of the players refused to go anyway.  They planned to do community work in Washington D.C.  The players cancelled that but are planning on rescheduling.  
 
“Maybe in the future players who want to make bold public statements will consider doing it on their own time instead of breaking the rules”
 
Again, there was no rule regarding player behavior during the Anthem.  There is now.
 

 
“One thing for sure, those who insisted on taking a knee have chased away about 10% of their viewers,”
 
They’ll probably get some of those viewers back.  
 
“which will ultimately reduce the money that's available to fund future NBA athletes.”
 
I think you meant NFL, the NBA already had a policy regarding this issue.
 
“I'm sure they think it's worth it, but I just think they are inconsiderate rich spoiled brats.”
 
Yes, it’s such an inconsiderate, bratty thing to have opinions and speak their minds.  It’s also inconsiderate to donate one million dollars to charity like Koepernick did.  Or Deshaun Watson donating his first rookie paycheck to help those in need after the hurricane last year.  Players suck.  Those are black players but I’ll mention Chris Long who played for free after donating all of his game checks to charity.  Rich spoiled brats, the lot of them.
 
I have said repeatedly that agree this was not the best platform.  This is due to the fact that a large percentage of people who watch the NFL think it’s patriotic to force players to stand at attention in front of a symbol.
 
  “Of all the black people in the US, they are among the least qualified to feel cheated, unappreciated and oppressed by our great country.”
 
IKR?  #MAGA.  They all sprouted fully formed just in time to go to college and then on to the NFL.  None of them grew up poor, in sin
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 13, 2018 - 2:27pm
Cont....
 
in single parent households, experiencing the same thing people in those communities experienced.
 
 
SARCASM ALERT
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 13, 2018 - 5:10pm
@MEFOBILLS:
”What are better and more “tailored” solutions?
 
1) All Boys Schools”
 
Those already exist.

“2) Men teaching at the Schools”
 
They do.  One of my friends teaches at a local school.

“3) Intact families .... no more Black Matriarchies”
 
I agree that intact families are better.  

“4) Renewed Segregation along with ownership
(Ownership means owning land/business and having roots in the economy.  This then creates a virtuous cycle.)”
 
That’s been tried before.  It just keeps problems out of sight, out of mind.  The problem is you can’t segregate citizens and you shouldn’t.

“5) Renewal of Black Colleges”
 
Black colleges already exist.

 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 13, 2018 - 5:12pm
@MEFOBILLS:
”and that women's political knowledge is more concerned with a personal experience of local politics and government programmes relating to daily life.”
 
So, women are more concerned about affects them directly.  That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t vote.
 
I just find this whole thing ridiculous.  Remove the right to vote from citizens?  Segregate citizens?
Rusty Smith Added Jun 13, 2018 - 8:16pm
Jeffrey Kelly I didn't know most of the players "refused to go anyway", in that case I'd almost guess it was a smart move not just for the Trump Administration, but for the NBA as well.
 
If half the team opted out of a high profile visit to the White House that would have made news that would not be good for the Trump Administration or the NBA, and the NBA can't afford the results of even more bad press than the Trump Administration.
 
I'd even speculate the Trump administration could take it in stride more easily since they haven't been losing money making viewership as a result.  Like it or not the Trump administration has the loyalty of a sizable portion of America that currently patronizes NBA games because up to now political affiliation has not been an issue, anyone can watch sports regardless of their political views and enjoy it.
 
If the NBA allowed most of their players to politicize the league by boycotting a trip to Trump's White House, many Trump loyalists might quite patronizing the NBA.  The NBA would be wise to stay completely politically neutral forbid players form making political displays while they are "at work".
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 13, 2018 - 8:41pm
@Rusty Smith:
 "Jeffrey Kelly I didn't know most of the players "refused to go anyway", in that case I'd almost guess it was a smart move not just for the Trump Administration, but for the NBA as well."
 
Rusty, do you not know the difference between the NFL and the NBA?
 
The NFL stands for the National Football League.  This is about NFL players protesting the National Anthem by kneeling during it.  The NBA or National Basketball Association doesn't have this problem.  The NBA enacted rules regarding player behavior during the National Anthem back in the 1990's.
 
"If half the team opted out of a high profile visit to the White House that would have made news that would not be good for the Trump Administration or the NBA, and the NBA can't afford the results of even more bad press than the Trump Administration."
 
It was more than half, most of the team decided they didn't want to go. 
 
"I'd even speculate the Trump administration could take it in stride more easily since they haven't been losing money making viewership as a result.  Like it or not the Trump administration has the loyalty of a sizable portion of America that currently patronizes NBA games because up to now political affiliation has not been an issue, anyone can watch sports regardless of their political views and enjoy it." 
 
Which is why I'm glad the NFL enacted this rule regarding the Anthem.
 
This way Trumplings and their fellow travellers will stop getting their panties in a bunch and their delicate feelings hurt.
Johnny Fever Added Jun 14, 2018 - 6:18pm
Let’s get the chronology straight:
 
1) Eagles win Superbowl
2) Eagles get invited to the White House
3) Most of the Eagles decide to politicize the event and not come
4) Trump cancels the meeting
 
Now put yourself in Trump’s shoes, what would you do?  The reason the Eagles aren’t coming has very little to do with Trump.  If they had decided to come, Trump wouldn’t have cancelled the meeting.  Why would he have invited them in first place?  This brouhaha has nothing to do with his base, he didn’t want the terrible optics of only a handful of players choosing to meet him. 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 14, 2018 - 8:14pm
And the NFL players, and liberals who support them, are dumber than rocks.
 
The News media is suckering the American people.
 
Ask Jeffrey to name seven conservative news sites and he can't do it.
 
Yet, he gives his opinion as if he has seriously considered topics.  LOL!
 
Trump was right, the media are the biggest threats to America.  Messanonews.com is getting really popular.  If you are tired of being fooled, time to read it daily.  Otherwise, these liberals will continue being duped and deluded. 
 
Obama's staffers were on drugs and having affairs on the press plane. 
 
Jeffrey, go research the IG report.  It wasn't as bad as it should have been, as the IG was appointed by Obama.  It's plenty bad enough. 
 
Please tell us what you think of all the corruption in the Obama administration.  Admit he's the worst President in American history, and if you don't, admit you are cluelessly unaware of all the American Presidents and are out of your element. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 14, 2018 - 10:33pm
@Johnny Fever:
”Let’s get the chronology straight:”
 
Absolutely.
 
“1) Eagles win Super Bowl”
 
Yes 

“2) Eagles get invited to the White House”
 
Yes

“3) Most of the Eagles decide to politicize the event and not come”
 
Well, to get the timeline right you need to go back to September 2017 when Trump insulted the players.
Some did decide to go, I think the quarterbacks and the coach.

“4) Trump cancels the meeting”
 
Yes.

 
“Now put yourself in Trump’s shoes, what would you do?”
 
Did it anyway, do it for those who decided to go along with the Eagles fans that showed up.
 
“The reason the Eagles aren’t coming has very little to do with Trump.”
 
It has everything to do with Trump.
 
“If they had decided to come, Trump wouldn’t have cancelled the meeting.  Why would he have invited them in first place?”
 
Well, it’s a tradition to invite the champions of all the major sports to the White House.  I think Regan started it.
 
“This brouhaha has nothing to do with his base, he didn’t want the terrible optics of only a handful of players choosing to meet him.”
 
I disagree, I think Trump should’ve let the ones come who wanted to go and did it for the Eagles fans.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 14, 2018 - 10:45pm
@Ryan Messano:
”And the NFL players, and liberals who support them, are dumber than rocks.”
 
That’s ironic coming from you.
 
“The News media is suckering the American people.”
 
Hey, look!!!!  Sound bite with no substance!!!!!
 
“Ask Jeffrey to name seven conservative news sites and he can't do it.”
 
I can name three.  I think that’s pretty good for a liberal.
 
“Yet, he gives his opinion as if he has seriously considered topics.  LOL!”
 
I have.  Your problem is you can’t read what I’ve been writing.  If you can read it it you look at it through your warped Ryan glasses.

 
“Trump was right, the media are the biggest threats to America.”
 
Yeah, a free press is a pain in the ass to a demagogue and an authoritarian-in-waiting.
Do you realize how fucked up that is, Ryan?  Calling the press the enemy?  
 
“Messanonews.com is getting really popular.  If you are tired of being fooled, time to read it daily.  Otherwise, these liberals will continue being duped and deluded.”
 
Why would I read your garbage?  If I want to watch you babble inanely I can come here.
 
“Obama's staffers were on drugs and having affairs on the press plane.”
 
Okey Dokey.
 
“Jeffrey, go research the IG report.  It wasn't as bad as it should have been, as the IG was appointed by Obama.  It's plenty bad enough. “
 
I did.  This thread is not about that.
 
“Please tell us what you think of all the corruption in the Obama administration. Admit he's the worst President in American history, and if you don't, admit you are cluelessly unaware of all the American Presidents and are out of your element.”
 
Oh, there were worse presidents.  Obama turned out to be a disappointment in many ways but worst?  No, I don’t think so.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 14, 2018 - 11:23pm
You’ve only read three conservative news sites?  Sad!
 
Which ones?  I get you count the NY Slimes as conservative.  
 
You cant even name fifteen American presidents before Reagan and after Jefferson.  You have never read five biographies of the Founders, yet you are confidently saying Obama isn’t the worst prasident?
 
Clearly, we all can see you are utterly unfit to judge pretty much anything.  
 
How about you stop trying to compensate for your historical and conservative uninformedness with profanity, and go learn history, 
Johnny Fever Added Jun 15, 2018 - 4:44am
As for what Trump said about the National Anthem, I think he should be free to speak his mind.  Players that don’t stand for the National Anthem should face public ridicule and condemnation.  The president was just saying what most of us felt. Doing things like that is one of the reasons he’s President.  If players didn’t kneel for the Anthem, Trump would have said nothing, so I argue this whole thing got started by the players. 
 
I think you make some excellent arguments why Trump should still have met some of the players.  As I think about it a little more, I think the optics could have been great.  Can you at least recognize it was a difficult decision? 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 15, 2018 - 11:02am
@Johnny Fever:
”As for what Trump said about the National Anthem, I think he should be free to speak his mind.”
 
Sure.  The problem is instead of remembering he is president of an entire country and that not everyone agrees with him (or should), he chose the angriest, most divisive way to ridicule and belittle NFL players.  My objection is how he delivered his message, not the message.  
 
“Players that don’t stand for the National Anthem should face public ridicule and condemnation.”
 
Why?
 
“The president was just saying what most of us felt.”
 
Yes but he isn’t you or me.  He is the president, not just of the people that agree with him but those who don’t.
 
 
“Doing things like that is one of the reasons he’s President.”
 
Sure.  But he is no longer the angry candidate.  He needs to recognize that.
 
“If players didn’t kneel for the Anthem, Trump would have said nothing, so I argue this whole thing got started by the players.”
 
I agree with you.  The issue is not what they had to say but how they said it.
 
“I think you make some excellent arguments why Trump should still have met some of the players.  As I think about it a little more, I think the optics could have been great.”
 
It is odd that he didn’t consider that.  He is a showman.
 
“Can you at least recognize it was a difficult decision?”
 
No.  I don’t think he thought all that much about it.  That’s my opinion but he is very impulsive.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 15, 2018 - 11:10am
@Ryan Messano:
”You’ve only read three conservative news sites?  Sad!”
 
Why?


 
“Which ones?”
 
I’ve already told you that.  Thanks for confirming you don’t actually read what I write.
 
“I get you count the NY Slimes as conservative.”
 
Nope.
 
“You cant even name fifteen American presidents before Reagan and after Jefferson.”
 
Well, I could but you don’t read what I write so why bother?
 
“You have never read five biographies of the Founders,”
 
Not all the founders became presidents.  Did you not know that?
 
“yet you are confidently saying Obama isn’t the worst prasident?”
 
Yes.  
 
“Clearly, we all can see you are utterly unfit to judge pretty much anything.”
 
Clearly I don’t give a shit what you think.  
 
“How about you stop trying to compensate for your historical and conservative uninformedness with profanity, and go learn history,”
 
Well, right now I’m reading a very good book on Auschwitz called “The Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp.”  I’ve got some books lined up after that that are all histories.  I do intend on getting back to U.S. history at some point but at a time of my choosing.


 
Gregory S. McNeill Added Jun 30, 2018 - 4:50pm
The Eagles didn't mind Trump cancelling the trip to The White House. The Eagles had Dr. John Carlos from the 1968 Olympics briefly as a team member. People like you and Ryan Messano fail to learn from history.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 2, 2018 - 9:15pm
I’m gonna park this here because I’m rather proud of it:
The Rothschilds are the source of all evil.  Everyone knows they are in it to build the perfect Jew/alien/reptilian hybrid that will bring about The End of Days.
 
I rely on this little known Bible verse:
 
”Yea, verily, at the end of times, when the orange one arises in the House of White, when the perfect Jew cometh and the Rothschilds giggle like satanic teletubbies, there shall come a time when our lord savior says, “Fuck this, the dinosaurs didn’t suck this bad!!!”  And dribbles the earth into the sun.
 
So sayeth the Lord, amen.”
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 7, 2018 - 11:40am
I’m gonna park this here:
I’m wrong and yet you were the one who said this:
EXPAT:


Added Jun 28, 2018 - 9:45pm






JK.
Right-Wing Governments just start wars to murder millions, the left keeps it in-home.
HA HA HA. So Stalin and Mao, were right wingers!
 
Stalin invaded Poland in violation of the non aggression pact he signed with Germany to start WWII, China invaded Korea to intensify Korean war.