What the sixties meant for me.

I was eleven when the sixties started and twenty one when they ended so the sixties were my formative years and boy what formative years they were.

The 1940s were the war years - a time of death, tragedy, loss and destruction. Our cities were blasted to hell. Our economy was wrecked and we were in debt to the USA.

 

The 1950s were the dark days of trying to rebuild; days of austerity, rationing and immense poverty but also days of reunion and attempting to rise out of the ruins. It was the era in which we lost our empire. But there was a gleam of light at the end of that tunnel with Rock 'n' Roll and Skiffle.

 

Then came the sixties.

 

I think my parents had grown up in a class-ridden, conservative, very uptight culture, sexually repressed and very hypocritical. Lip-service was paid to church. There was a national anthem played every night on the radio and at the cinema. For males like me every step of life was mapped out from short trousers into long, from bachelordom to marriage, kids and work. Girls were brought up to be wives, mothers and housewives.

 

First there were the Beat groups riding on the coattails of first the Beatles and then the Stones and we started to breathe. We grew our hair and lived music. There were girls, fashion and style. We wore our tight jeans with winkle-pickers, long sideburns and quiffs. Then it was flares, an explosion of colour, motorbikes, scooters, long hair and a new language straight out of hip black America and beatniks. There were parties, alcohol and later spliff.

 

At fifteen I was reading Kerouac, listening to Dylan, the Kinks, Woody Guthrie and the Blues. I was digging the Who, Yardbirds, Smallfaces, Them, Animals, Downliners Sect, Stones, Beatles and a host of other bands.

 

By eighteen I had hair to my shoulders, was looking into Beat poetry, Eastern religions, psychedelia, Acid Rock, Burroughs, Ginsberg and grooving to Country Joe and the Fish, Captain Beefheart, the Doors, Jefferson Airplane, Frank Zappa, Pink Floyd, Hendrix, Cream, Traffic, Family, Roy Harper, Dylan, Beatles, Stones and Fleetwood Mac.

 

For me and my friends the rule book went out the window. We did not want the safe, boring lives of our parents; we wanted excitement, adventure, discovery and travel.

 

We wanted a new world. There was a general rebellion against the greed and selfishness of society, the meaningless of life, the violent warmongering, the repugnant racism, elitism and class system, and the destructiveness of the consumer society with all its environmental damage. We no longer bought into it. The rat-race, with its chasing of money and status symbols was not alluring. We wanted something better, something more meaningful and fulfilling, something deeper, less violent and destructive, and we thought we could do it. We really thought we could build a better society and drop out of the death machine. The dream was something simple, self-sufficient and more in harmony with the planet. It was the days of simplicity.

 

Those were also the days of optimism spent gabbing through the night in great earnest wonder, talking philosophy, talking politics, talking spirituality, talking music, talking about a new society founded on different tenets without all the possessions and greed. Those were days of sharing and listening to music.

 

It was naïve and unrealistic. But we were living a revolution. They were the days when civil rights, feminism, environmentalist and fashion were spawned. They were the days of fun and laughter, friendship and joy; days spent listening to music, going to gigs and free festivals, grooving; days of sex and hedonism.

 

That was our revolution. We made our own clothes, instruments and pleasures; we hitched around and travelled continents. We had hugely different horizons and dreams to that of our parents.

 

They were days of discovery of philosophy, art, literature, dance, music, ideas, creativity, political awareness, social awareness, love and travel.

 

It was short-lived but it burned. I packed so much into a few short years. It was mind-expanding, enlightening and full of idealism and dreams. And that's what the sixties meant for me.

 

I took that energy and positivity forward into my life and my creativity. It informed my philosophy of life, my family, my career and my writing.

 

The sixties gave me an unlimited set of horizons.

Comments

opher goodwin Added Jun 15, 2018 - 6:51am
I thought a change of subject might be called for.
Dino Manalis Added Jun 15, 2018 - 8:41am
 It was a time of social change, but I wasn't born yet, I was born in 1971.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 8:43am
The sixties were the roots of the current dysfunction.  
 
America is currently trying to purge herself of the selfish youth of the sixties who are slow learners.  
 
The Kinsey Report sabotaged America in 1948. All the drugs and sex you relish were a terrible consequence.  The least you can do is rebuke the excesses of the sixties. It’s pretty sad when you are still fond of behaviors that caused so much damage to our nation.  
 
 
George N Romey Added Jun 15, 2018 - 8:49am
I think here in the US the 60s was the inkling that our government was not up to par as taught in our schools. These many decades later more Americans now see through the facade. We’ve had the falsehoods of Vietnam, the Cold War, 9-11, Iraq and the Middle East, Ukraine, etc. yet about half of Americans still vote for a system that isn’t serving their needs.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 8:55am
False, George.
 
Yours and Ophers generation didn’t grasp what the greatest generation did: “Duty over desire, may that inspire”.   You chose pleasure over hard work, and it ended disastrously.  
 
There was nothing wrong with VIetnam, or the Cold War.  We had to engage Communism.  9/11 wasn’t an inside job, but it’s really sad 50% of Americans are convinced their own government attacked them.  It’s pretty frightening our enemies can attack us, and Americans are silly enough to be gypped into blaming their government.  Pathetic!
 
The first step to brainwashing a nation is to demoralize it.  If you represented America and we were in a war, we would have lost already, because due to your youthful hedonism, you no longer have spine, and always blame others for the consequences of your own actions.
 
opher goodwin Added Jun 15, 2018 - 1:40pm
Dino - a shame - you missed out.
opher goodwin Added Jun 15, 2018 - 1:42pm
Ryan - the damage is done by the warmongering neocons and their callous racism, selfishness and greed. They are the ones creating poverty, inequality and ravaging the environment in their lust for power and money. That's what we rejected!
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 1:54pm
Nonsense, Opher.  No one holds you back but you. 
opher goodwin Added Jun 15, 2018 - 2:05pm
George - spot on George. The kids woke up to the fact that the establishment were using them for their own agenda. The Vietnam war was an unjust war. The greed and selfishness of the system was working for an elite and against the majority. Racism was a vehicle to distract from what was really going down. People were being used and exploited for the profit of a small elite.
How blind are the blind who continue to support such an evil system.
We wanted something fairer, more global and less nationalistic and belligerent.
Didn't get it though.
opher goodwin Added Jun 15, 2018 - 2:10pm
Ryan - if you had your way we'd be back in the puritanism of the fifties with all its hypocrisy, back street abortionists, kids forcibly taken off young girls, kids being sent to convents and fun being illegal.
Thank heavens for liberalisation and a sensible attitude. The repressed society created the very type of anger and aggression you illustrate. It fostered greed, elitism, inequality, racism and hypocrisy. 
We wanted tolerance, compassion, sharing, environmental awareness, honesty and an end to puritanical hypocrisy.
The Vietnam war was an immoral war. Vietnam was no threat to the USA. I'm so glad you lost.
opher goodwin Added Jun 15, 2018 - 2:17pm
Ryan - Nonsense, Opher.  No one holds you back but you. 
What the fuck does that mean? I was a Headteacher of one of the most successful schools in Britain. How was I held back?
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 2:29pm
You are one corrupt degenerate, Opher.  Study the crime rates carefully, simpleton.
opher goodwin Added Jun 15, 2018 - 4:01pm
Hardly a degenerate Ryan. In what way do you suggest I'm a degenerate? I stand for freedom and tolerance. You stand for repression and control.
Flying Junior Added Jun 15, 2018 - 4:06pm
Opher,
 
Your teenage years in London remind me of Quadrophenia.  You were that guy played by Sting!
 
Ryan,
 
There is debate as to whether we ever had any business in Viet Nam.  But I think that most people agree that JFK would have found a way to end our involvement much quicker than the twin war pigs, Johnson and Nixon.
 
Those lives that were lost in the second half of the 1960s and the first four years of the 1970s were thrown away.  Uselessly wasted.  A vanity that the powerful U.S. military could never lose a war.  It's not just the lives of the soldiers.  The lives of the Vietnamese that were destroyed.  The savage destruction of the country.  All vanity.  All waste.
 
Likewise all of the death and destruction of the adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan has served no purpose other than the wasteful destruction of lives, cities and countryside.  Now we are escalating the conflict in Yemen with American troops.
George N Romey Added Jun 15, 2018 - 4:12pm
My father unlike Ryan served in the military in WW2 and saw men get blown to bits. Even though he wasn’t of that generation he hated Vietnam because he knew it was a farce. Man boys like Ryan that never had a second of combat have no reason to opine on supporting war.
James Travil Added Jun 15, 2018 - 6:27pm
Here here George much agreed! My father also served in the military, the Army in the Korean conflict. And I served in the Gulf War. Civilian neocon warmongers like Ryan who want to preach about war but who have never served make me sick. 
James Travil Added Jun 15, 2018 - 6:29pm
As for the sixties, I was born in 1968 so I don't remember them, but they sounded great. 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 6:59pm
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 7:02pm
After going to liberal schools and reading liberal media, Flying J, I thought Vietnam was a terrible waste.  I'm now convinced otherwise. 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 7:03pm
Last I checked, George, war always entails lives lost.  Just because a cause is noble and just doesn't mean men won't die.  What war do you know of where those on the right side died beautiful deaths?
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 7:04pm
I served in the Nuclear Navy, James.  Was a Conscientious Objector too.  Big mistake.  I tried to re enlist, but they say I'm too old now.  I've seen both sides. 
Jeff Michka Added Jun 15, 2018 - 8:47pm
opher, at least Lyin' Ryan didn't call your parents degenerates like he did mine.  Give him a few more comments.  Ryan is a complete and total asshole.  Too bad Ryan didn't serve in the black gang on "Belgrano," eh? I doubt the navy wanted Ryan back, age aside.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 15, 2018 - 9:13pm
The Sixties had great music and wonderful ideals.  We were ready for the music, the ideals, not so much.  The kids from the Sixties grew up to be yuppies.  Even after Watergate we elected a Donald the Thud.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 15, 2018 - 9:23pm
Ryan.
re:”The sixties were the roots of the current dysfunction.”
 
What do you know first hand of them?
 
I quote Romey
“I think here in the US the 60s was the inkling that our government was not up to par as taught in our schools. These many decades later more Americans now see through the facade. We’ve had the falsehoods of Vietnam, the Cold War, 9-11, Iraq and the Middle East, Ukraine, etc. yet about half of Americans still vote for a system that isn’t serving their needs.

 
It was when we started to think, mmmm,  Lee Harvey Oswald, lone shooter? Jack Ruby?  Bobby Kennedy, Sirhan Sirhan another lone shooter?  Martin Luther King?  Can anyone say
 
Gulf of Tonkin?
or Allan Dulles for that matter.
 
 As Romey alludes, this was when our eyes started to become open.
 
On the other hand it is hard for me to be completely unbiased. For me it was a magical time, the magic of my youth;
One day we spied a friend on his bike coming our way fast. He, like me, was a paper boy delivering the Washington Post and he had baskets on the front and two saddle baskets. In the front he had an album and he came up and pulled a skid up in front of us throwing alot of gravel and said
 
“You have got to hear this!”
 
It was Are You Experienced by Jimi Hendrix. We played it for two days in a row and have never been the same since.
 
Mustafa
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 9:44pm
All that glitters is not gold, Mustafa.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 15, 2018 - 10:12pm
 Ryan,
I suspect you may never learn what a fallacy is, because if you did you would realise their ubiquity in your discource, and reparing it would be beyond your means; you would have to learn to articulate some substance.
 
So lets lower the bar and see if you understand the meaning of 
 
trite
adjective


 
 (of a remark, opinion, or idea) overused and consequently of little import; lacking originality or freshness.


 
These are some of its 
synonyms: banal,  clichéd,  vapid, staleworn out,  unimaginativeunoriginaluninterestingdull
 
Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 10:15pm
The best things have already been said, MK.  Just because you haven’t learned them doesn’t make you original.
 
Your sophism is unending.  It’s all a huge front, to hide the fact you have little wisdom due to wasting your youth in the pursuit of pleasure.  Solomon did it too, but unlike you, he didn’t have fond memories of his folly.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 10:18pm
You continue bringing up liberal talking points, with zero comprehension of the actual events.  The Washington Compost is a huge part of the problem.  
 
Just because you lived in a time doesn’t make you an expert on it.  
 
You still haven’t read just five biographies of the 204 Founders and, failing to comprehend the roots of our nation, you don’t understand the decisions of great men, who, unlike you, Did!
 
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 15, 2018 - 10:42pm
Ryan,
re:"You still haven’t read just five biographies of the 204 Founders"
 
As I said before, do you ever tire of being wrong?
 
Since you love this pedigree or accomplishment fallacy, let me run one by you that is essentially the same, (you know, what is good for the goose is good for the gander)
 
How many advanced degrees do you hold? 
 
Mustafa
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 15, 2018 - 10:55pm
Lol, Mustafa.  Only I play the ask questions game. The answer to your question is I have as many advanced degrees as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Carnegie, Rockefeller, and A.P. Giannini did.  
 
Im curious, can you inform me what one pays for in college that can’t be learned for free in the library? 
 
Do you ever ever tire of lying?
 
You clearly haven’t read five biographies, and are only lying now to preserve the veneer of intellectual respectability you’ve acquired among the naive and gullible on the site.  But, you’re a humbug.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 15, 2018 - 11:08pm
Apparently in order to cure the evils of the country we need to read five biographies of our founding fathers.
 
Which ones, Ryan?
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 15, 2018 - 11:59pm
Ryan,
re:" Only I play the ask questions game. "
wrong yet again. As I asked before, do you ever get tired of it?
 
Anyway, generally you do not ask question, you really only have one. I on the other hand, love to ask questions, because I like to learn. 


Anyway, regarding my question about your pedigree,  I thought as much.  But thats ok, as I said it is  fallacious reasoning. One should be assessed based on the merits of their arguments and not on their pedigree, such as if they have read someones pet reading list.
BTW, like Tubularsock, Mustafa Kemal has a vast book collection at home so rarely goes to the library.  The wife is truly annoyed at how much room it takes up.
 
Regarding,
"Im curious, can you inform me what one pays for in college that can’t be learned for free in the library? "
 
One of the things that a library does not provide is a teacher and critical response to your assertions. Books dont check you on your nonsense, but I good teacher does, and so do good colleagues.
When your colleague asks you to support your assertion, the response "name 5 biographies" will create much entertainment, as it does for some of us here. 
 
A library also does not provide guidance. Moreover, when you have to fend for yourself with the top people in a particular field, you better make sure you know what you are talking about. You learn to keep your mouth shut  spouting assertions unless you are sure and can back them up.  And you certainly dont call people names, LOL . College is supposed to be for grownups.  Children can use the library though.
 
Mustafa
 
 
 
 
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 16, 2018 - 12:09am
Opher, about your excellent post. It was quite illuminating for me to hear about what it must have been like across the pond, especially after what Great Britain had just gone through. 
 
I was especially fond of Eric Burdon and the Animals;
 
I'm just a soul whose intentions are good,
Oh Lord, please dont let me be misunderstood.
de   de de de   de, de de   de de de de deee de
Thanks
Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 12:14am
Lol, that’s part of it, Jeffrey, and they should be written before 1950 too.  The other part is to live a virtuous life, avoiding all sex outside marriage, psychotropic drugs, and the hellivision.  Examining ourselves in light of history is important too, as the Greeks said, “The unexamined life is not worth living”.
 
Rush, Franklin, Webster, Adams, and Washington are great starters.  It’s not a crime to read more
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 12:23am
Liberal errors commonly have the same roots, Mustafa, lack of historical comprehension, and corruption.  Thus the repetitive questions.  If you are playing baseball, and you keep hitting home runs by hitting the fastball, it’s wise to keep expecting a fastball.  
 
Reading books withoyt applying them is worse than never reading them.  And you clearly don’t apply anything you’ve read about America’s Founders.  
 
Books do check nonsense.  A broad reader is often a critical thinker.
 
Failing to read five biographies of the Founders and trying to discuss American history and politics, is like trying to kill a lion with a fly swatter, it can’t be done.  And, as your efforts to kill a lion with a fly swatter will end disastrously, so will your efforts to discuss politics and vote without reading those biographies. 
 
Your conscience provides guidance in the library.  “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom and knowledge”.  Without God, all worldly wisdom will be brought to naught.  Should be obvious when we have the most college graduates in American history and the biggest problems in our history too. 
Flying Junior Added Jun 16, 2018 - 3:19am
Opher,
 
I'm sorry that  I took the bait and politicized your most excellent post.
 
One would think just about everyone on the Writer Beat opposed senseless warfare.   Certain personalities...  Well it's like a dog that can't put down a bone long enough to eat.
 
I loved being a child of the 1960s.  La Jolla Shores 1962 with the starfish.  Witnessing the inclusion of Jews into my community first-hand.  Benefiting from knowing the children of the Jewish professors recruited to UCSD.  Knowing people in their twenties and thirties that forged lives in my city.  Artists.  Victorian and Craftsman homes that were built at the turn of the century and refurbed by young couples.
 
The warmest and most consistent sunny summers for the last fifty or sixty years.  Good surf.  A University that had become among the top ten in less than twenty years.
 
People that threw parties and played the Loving Spoonful and the Mamas and the Papas so we could hear it in the garden.  Waiting for a charter plane to the Catalina Island and hearing Like a Rolling Stone for the first time.  Winding it down with my family in 1970 after riding horses on Catalina in a park and hearing some hippies play Deja Vu on a turntable.
 
Honestly the high point of the entire 1960s was visiting and living in London from Christmas 1967 to June of 1968.  I had several crushes on English girls, but one that grabbed me by the heart.
 
As the kids love to say, most of the 1960s occurred in the 1970s...
 
Well at least I was old enough to appreciate the tail-end of it all.
 
I started thinking that the hippie thing was all over in 1973,  But my friends all claimed that they were still hippies.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 4:17am
Flying Junior - except I was a bit more of a Rocker with my motorbike.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 4:25am
Ryan - you come over as very naïve. 'No one holds you  back but yourself' is plain daft. For some, like black kids in the city ghettos with poor schools, single parents, surrounded with gangs, drugs, alcohol, racism and abuse the odds are stacked against you so that it is almost impossible. While others born to privilege have everything on a plate. Do you think Ivanka had to struggle to earn her $82 million this year?
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 4:27am
Jeff - I doubt it too.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 4:35am
Mustafa - What an album that was! I remember the first time I heard Hendrix.
Yes you are right - the 60s was an illuminating time in which the scales dropped from our eyes. We realised just how we were being manipulated and exploited. We no longer were content to be docile sheep guided through a system without a bleat - cannon fodder in a war to put wealth in the hands of a few. We were no longer content to know our place as cogs in the machine. We were no longer content to be told we were doing great because there were others worse off. We were no longer willing to follow a meaningless life of hypocrisy, racism and narrow horizons. We wanted out of the killing machine. We wanted to think for ourselves. We wanted to discover the truth, travel, look at all other types of experience, meet all types on a level playing field and we no longer had respect for politicians who were fucking up the world.
The sixties was an awakening.
Shame everyone went back to sleep or grew nasty.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 4:38am
Mustafa - I too greatly liked the Animals with the great Eric Burdon  but I preferred Captain Beefheart and his Magic Band.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 4:39am
Ryan - the most degenerate thing is war. The most degenerate people are those who wage war from their deep shelters and send young men forward to be slaughtered for matters of dogma - the ones who prosper from it like Rumsfeldt did.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 4:40am
James - I'm with you. I do not think there have been many justified wars.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 4:52am
Flying Junior - Yes my memories of sharing magic moments with wonderful friendly, sharing people. Of being taken in off the streets in both Boston and San Francisco when we were a lost, penniless pair of strangers, fed, given a bed, helped and set on our way. How people were generous, friendly, open and interesting to be with. The sixties was the type of warm community that Christians talk about. We were part of something special and trying to change the world for the better. A lot of great things came out of the sixties -
The environmental movement
civil rights
Women's rights
A sexual revolution
The end of mindless following
Political awakening
Spiritual awakening
Creativity
Music
Film
Dance
Literature
The peace movement
A dose of hedonism - it was suddenly OK to let your hair down and enjoy yourself after the puritanical uptightness of the 50s.
Of course too many people took it to extremes and spoilt it. People abused drugs, sex and alcohol and got fucked up. People exploited the generosity. The music stopped being great. I held on to it until around 1973 and then realised it was over. The dream had faded. The casualties mounted up.
But I took all the positive things into my life and enriched it as did many others. The sixties live on.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 16, 2018 - 8:24am
opher, you and FJ are giving me goosebumps.
 
To Love Somenbody
 
Mustafa
George N Romey Added Jun 16, 2018 - 8:51am
In actuality early Baby Boomers had it best.  They grew up in the emerging 60s when a college degree got you on the road to a good career.  The time we got to mass layoffs, gig work, rampid age discrimination they were in the last years of their careers.  They likely were able to stay at one employer for quite awhile and build a nice nest egg for retirement.
 
I'm finding that the new young generation is fascinated by the 1960s because they wonder what it was like when good jobs were plentiful and one could go to a good state University that middle class parents could easily afford.  And powerful muscle cars too!
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:16am
George, 
re:"they grew up in the emerging 60s when a college degree got you on the road to a good career."
 It wasnt just that, ok, during semester I slaved washing dishes at
$2.10$ an hour( I did get a raise to $2.15$),
 
but when semester was out I hit the job adds and picked up summer work at much higher rates, rates 30 year olds were making supporting families. We didnt get rich, but finding work was not hard, I never felt like  a slave,  saved money for the rest of the year, and I never worked at mcdonalds.
 
Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:30am
Opher, arduous circumstances didn’t hold Ben Carson, Carnegie, Frederick Douglas, or Booker T.  Back.  
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:39am
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:46am
More of your sophistry, Mustafa.  What one man can believe and achieve, anyone can believe and achieve.  
 
A Psalm of Life
Longfellow
 
TELL me not, in mournful numbers,
Life is but an empty dream ! —
For the soul is dead that slumbers,
And things are not what they seem.
Life is real ! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal ;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.
Not enjoyment, and not sorrow,
Is our destined end or way ;
But to act, that each to-morrow
Find us farther than to-day.
Art is long, and Time is fleeting,
And our hearts, though stout and brave,
Still, like muffled drums, are beating
Funeral marches to the grave.
In the world's broad field of battle,
In the bivouac of Life,
Be not like dumb, driven cattle !
Be a hero in the strife !
Trust no Future, howe'er pleasant !
Let the dead Past bury its dead !
Act,— act in the living Present !
Heart within, and God o'erhead !
Lives of great men all remind us
We can make our lives sublime,
And, departing, leave behind us
Footprints on the sands of time ;
Footprints, that perhaps another,
Sailing o'er life's solemn main,
A forlorn and shipwrecked brother,
Seeing, shall take heart again.
Let us, then, be up and doing,
With a heart for any fate ;
Still achieving, still pursuing,
 
Learn to labor, and to wait.
 
Bill H. Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:47am
 
A great time to be young for sure! Great music, bands playing everywhere, places to hang, dance, socialize, and have fun.
I was lucky to have spent my younger years before I got married in the L.A. area and hung out at places like Pandora's Box, Hullaballo, Fifth Estate, Whiskey A Go Go, Marina Palace, The Environment, and the Troubador, so I was able to see most of the bands of the era in person. I spent some time working for a company that did lightshows and stage audio, so I also got to meet many of the famous musicians of the era, including having a discussion about flyfishing and Ham Radio with none other than Jim Morrison, who I found to be very intelligent, but having a problem with Dewars Scotch Whiskey. I met my wife in 1968, got married in 1970, and life's been great since, but not as fun as the '60s. 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:51am
Well, all that fun has a price, Bill H.
 
Your generation has a big problem understanding objective truth, and is largely responsible for the worst president in American history, Barack Hussein Obama.  Like you, he was busy hitting joints and having promiscuous sex in his young years.  Also like you, he is historically clueless and corrupt.  
 
Go look up opportunity cost.  Every choice in life comes at the expense of something else.  So, choosing drugs, promiscuous sex, or frivolous pleasures is doubly wrong, not only because it’s a total waste of time and has negative consequences long term, but because there was another activity you could have been doing to become wise and virtuous.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:54am
Mustafa - nostalgia rules!
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:56am
George - there is quite an interest in the 60s by the younger guys, isn't there? They find it fascinating and like the music too.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:57am
Mustafa - yes - even in the UK it was easy to get well-paid holiday jobs!
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:58am
Ryan - while a tiny minority get lucky most do not get the breaks do they?
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:00am
Ryan - that is simply not true. If one guy gets lucky it doesn't mean everybody can get as lucky. Most fall by the wayside no matter how hard they try.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:03am
Bill - that sounds great. I had a similar experience in London and got to see all the major bands in small venues, festivals and free concerts. We'd go backstage and meet the guys. I used to go along to Abbey Road studios where Paul McCartney and Pink Floyd were recording. Fabulous days.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:07am
Ryan - I think you will find that, as long as you weren't stupid, the fun did not have a price.
Obama was a very intelligent, eloquent person (a complete contrast to the present incumbent). He might not have done stuff that you agreed with but I think he did a lot of great stuff for the environment and poor people. It's a shame he was stymied by the Republicans at every turn or he would have achieved a lot more.
It sounds like you'd be real fun to be with Ryan. What do you do for fun - read antiquated religious books?
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:07am
It’s not luck, Opher.
 
Labor
Under
Correct
Knowledge
 
”Genius is an infinite capacity for taking pains”. 
Carlyle
 
You don’t understand this, because you and the other pseudo conservative and liberal men on here were busy out pursuing frivolous pleasures in your youth.  
 
While I wasn’t perfect, I never totally abandoned myself to the pursuit of pleasure. This is why there are huge clashes on here.  Your beliefs are shaped on the choices you’ve made in Life.  Wise choices make wise men, foolish choices make foolish men.  It’s possible, and common to be foolish in youth and wise in ones older years, but you liberal men have never repented of the folly of your youth, and are still trapped in your stinkin’ thinkin’, so you need to give yourselves a check up from the neck up, to prevent a hardening of the attitudes:).  Lol.  RIP Zig.
 
 
Wise men learn from others mistakes, fools from their own.  
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:19am
Ryan,
re:"More of your sophistry"
 
I think you confuse sophistry with reason.
 
Sophistry is "the use of fallacies"
and I point out your fallacies all the time. I claim  therefore that you are the sophist,  and I can support my claim with ample evidence.
 
Moreover, you are not a very good one. A good one doesnt get busted every time they open their mouth.
 
Can you read? 
Do you understand what a faulty generalization is?
 
Mustafa
Michael B. Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:19am
Yes, everyone has their heydays and formative years, mine being the 80's.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:22am
Ryan - rubbish. You live in a fairy land. The rich and powerful run the joint. They have loaded the dice. They sell you a dream and you buy it.
If you work hard, think right and believe it you too can be rich and famous.
It's a pup. They are conning you.
As for wisdom - you do not seem to have too much of it. I haven't seen any in all of your comments. What makes you think that you've made the right decisions?
Bill H. Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:24am
 
Sorry to burst your bubble, Ryan.
I have had a great life. I have a great wife, I have had great jobs, and retired with a pension and over 2 million in savings and 401K. No complaints here.
Looks like this article is certainly not for you.
Take your whining and bitching elsewhere, little boy!
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:28am
Obama was the most biblically hostile president in American history. But since you weren’t studying the Bible or history in your youth, and weren’t applying the lessons of either, you don’t know this.
 
He was and is a pathological liar, and had massive scandals, including the IRS scandal with the Tea Party, Fast and Furious, Lois Lerner’s missing emails, and Hillary’s Benghazi debacle, and her own missing 30,000 emails that were bleach bit out of existence so effectively that God himself can’t find them.  There are many more.  You simply don’t read conservative media, and so are a mindless drone, easily manipulated for the purposes of the left.
 
Apathetic, hedonistic types are often ruled by tyrants who they praise and admire.
 
Barry the Fairy (go look up Larry Sinclair, Mia Pope, and Donald Young at Trinity Church) was an envirofascist, and food stamp enrollment increased by 10 million under him.    Our national debt doubled, and increased by more than all the other presidents combined.
 
Its awfully good the Republicans stymied him.  He was a a degenerate liar, a fraud, and among the worst candidates in the entire 38 million member black community to be the first black president.  
 
Life isnt about having fun all the time.
 
We aren’t remembered at our funerals for how much fun we had.
 
”the greatest among you is servant to all”.
 
Bill H. Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:30am
This article is not about Obama.
Go home to Mommy, little boy!
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:34am
Bill,  be NICE!
we dont want to hurt widdle Wyan's feewings.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:41am
You can’t reason, Mustafa, as your knowledge of the past is deficient, so you have no ability to critically think.  You are an armless bandit in a sword fight.
 
You are brilliant with your sophistry, and to the uninitiated, your nonsense makes sense.  You are able to hide your vast ignorance, and paint the facts I post as being fallacies.  It’s quite clever, though you are always wrong.  You and your fallacies ignore human nature never changes.  But, you don’t know yourself.
 
Of all the liberals on here, you are the worst.  Even MuchKrap isn’t as bad as you. Because you honestly believe your deceptions.  You are fake, a fraud, a liar, and a deceitful snake.  
 
Your game will be to say “ad hominem” to that.  Lol.  What a pathetic man you are.  You will never learn with your attitude.  You’ll stay stubbornly stuck in denial.  Fooling no one but yourself.  Self deceit is the worst.
 
So, shut up, you simpleton charlatan, and list those five biographies, you sly serpent.
 
 
 
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:43am
It’s actually quite funny to watch Mustafas passive aggressive venemous indignation at having his humbuggery exposed.  It’s hilarious to have him seriously claim his silly logical fallacy assertions are true.  
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:47am
Time is money, Opher.  You’ve obviously wasted tons of time, and are now jealous and envious, like crackpot Bernie. 
 
I already went from being on welfare as a child to grossing $500,000 a year at 33. The principles work.  You simply haven’t been working, that’s the problem.  A lazy slacker, nostalgic about his hedonistic past.
 
Bill H. Your type is the worst. Old with no Wisdom,
 
Days should speak, but yours clearly don’t.
Bill H. Added Jun 16, 2018 - 11:05am
 
Ha Ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 11:13am
One of my all time favorites, Pitts retort to Walpole, on why being old and foolish is so bad.
 


THE ATROCIOUS 1 crime of being a young man, which the honorable gentleman has, with such spirit and decency, charged upon me, I shall neither attempt to palliate nor deny; but content myself with wishing that I may be one of those whose follies may cease with their youth, and not of that number who are ignorant in spite of experience. Whether youth can be imputed to any man as a reproach, I will not, sir, assume the province of determining; but surely age may become justly contemptible, if the opportunities which it brings have passed away without improvement and vice appears to prevail when the passions have subsided. 1
The wretch, who, after having seen the consequences of a thousand errors, continues still to blunder, and whose age has only added obstinacy to stupidity, is surely the object of either abhorrence or contempt, and deserves not that his gray hairs should secure him from insult. 2
Much more, sir, is he to be abhorred, who, as he has advanced in age has receded from virtue and become more wicked with less temptation
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 11:20am
Ryan - thank heavens for a biblically hostile President. Unfortunately the USA is a backdoor theocracy and it shows in its backward policies towards education and the environment. It needs to develop socially away from this evil gun-ridden culture of haves and have-nots. 
Back in the sixties we managed to shuck off that puritanical garbage and brought in a fairer, less repressed culture. We wanted a world with less violence and hypocrisy.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 11:32am
Ryan - I don't ever waste time except in responding to the blank wall that is your mind. 
I worked in a number of jobs and then had a full 36 year career that took me to the top of my profession. I have been married fifty years with four great kids - all working in great jobs, five grandchildren - all growing great. I brought up my kids - sometimes working 3 jobs in order to make ends meet - and still found time to write sixty books.
Your stereotyping of people shows your inability to understand reality. It is much more complex and nuanced than you make out in your simplistic summaries.
I have a library of thousands of books and have read all the major writers. I have travelled the world from one end to the other and experienced a wide range of experiences.
The sixties gave me a foundation of exploration, wisdom, experimentation and wonder. I have a lust for knowledge and an open mind. That has stopped me from being brainwashed into archaic religious beliefs which shackle the mind and cripple lives.
I rejected your puritanical prison back when I was a kid. I saw the hypocrisy and stupidity of it.
Thank heavens the sixties opened my eyes and gave me an interesting, enjoyable life.
Enjoy your celibacy and I suggest you take up lashing yourself with whips and applying hair-shirts and cilices. Pain and abstinence are the food of the soul. But I'd rather live and enjoy life.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 11:39am
Ryan - I may be getting old but I've got a long way to go yet and my knowledge, IQ and life experience far exceeds anything you have to offer.
Foolishness is allowing yourself to be brainwashed by an archaic Arab religion full of cultural nonsense.
You cite various quotes as if you believe this shows you as being learned and wise. It doesn't. A learned and wise person is capable of using their own words.
Back in the sixties we looked at people who thought like you as dinosaurs. We thought we had created a world which would never produce such restricted vision. We were wrong, weren't we? 
The world was made up of straights and freaks back then. The straights lived in a boring world with limited horizons and the freaks had evolved into a richer life with wider horizons. We had all possibility. How's it feel to be so limited?
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 11:45am
I have a nightmare that one day a younger person will show up and say and do what I should have done as a young man, and I will be exposed as a fraud.
 
That is why you liberal men hate me, Opher.
 
I’m going to utterly demolish your above three comments, at length. I will do it in my office, which I will be in in three hours. I want to use links, which I’m not able/willing to do with my cell.  
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 11:50am
Ryan - please don't - you will only end up exposing yourself as a fraud.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 16, 2018 - 11:50am
Ryan, now that Bill H. and Opher have finally succumbed to the temptation to tell you a little more about themselves than need be for the sake of any coherent, relevant discussion here, let me pitch in.
 
I have raised 3 girls, have two grandchildren that are cute and energetic as the dickens, and a wife that I have loved and been faithful to for 30 years.
 
For the past 40 years I have worked at a career that both pays well and is satisfying. In fact, I love my work.  I also have an international reputation, which is why I like my anonymity here. Finishing a book at present.  I have a little ranchito in the mountains of Northern New Mexico, where I usually work from home. I have read enthusiastically also for 40 years and have learned to speak Spanish, French, Turkish and Persian( some) 
All my neighbors in NM are my relatives and I love my neighborhood.
I get along with almost everybody. People like me.   Im friendly and helpful. I dont give advice and can have a good time (not like when we were younger of course)
 
As for sex, Im sure Mrs. Kemal hanim wouldnt like me talking about her like this, in fact it will be a first, but since you dont know who I am, let me just tell you, that is pretty darn fine.  Whoo ha!.
 
 Come to think of it. Honey? Got a moment?
 
Mustafa
 
 
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 11:51am
Ryan - BTW - I shall be very interested to see just how you are going to dispute the details of my highly successful life? I look forward to that.
George N Romey Added Jun 16, 2018 - 12:43pm
Based upon the video that someone posted here on WB of Ryan being hauled out of a local community board meeting I think we see the picture.  Sadly Ryan sees the world as a horrible place full of terrible people and he being the sole saint.  Really sad when you think about it.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 12:52pm
Lol, George and his fake facts.  Will be addressing your fallacious statement in a few hours as well.
 
As a matter of fact, my next post will use Ophers last three comments, and be used to caricature the liberal male.
 
I will devote space to a study of every liberal male on WB. 
 
It will be titled:  The liberal male: An endangered species.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 1:01pm
George - I think that video amply demonstrated what the man was like!
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 1:02pm
Ryan - I look forward to that. It could be the best thing you've ever written. On the other hand it could be the worst. Depends how your mind works or fails to work.
Bill H. Added Jun 16, 2018 - 1:03pm
 
Ryan - Are you denying that the video is not you???
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 1:04pm
Mustafa - it seems that all us liberal males suffer from having a great fulfilling life!
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 16, 2018 - 3:25pm
opher, Ryan is making me feel guilty for all the fun Ive had
LOL
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 3:32pm
Mustafa - me too. He brings a smile to my face though. He is so deluded it is hilarious.
George N Romey Added Jun 16, 2018 - 3:43pm
Actually he’s sad. Rather than obsess over porn he should ask his pastor to administer to the ill, aged, disadvantaged and poor. He might learn a thing or two about life.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 3:45pm
George - well this puritanical approach to sex is rather pathetic. It is either something drastic in his upbringing or some experience that has fucked him up.
George N Romey Added Jun 16, 2018 - 3:53pm
Opher I’d say maybe sexually abused when young. I laugh over his comments about youth and porn. The young can get laid anytime, they can create their own porn.
opher goodwin Added Jun 16, 2018 - 6:09pm
George - that is quite possible - something traumatic has occurred from the look of things.
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 16, 2018 - 9:12pm
Opher Goodwin, I agree with you in stating that in the 1960s we wanted a new world. There was a general rebellion against society's greed and selfishness, the lack of meaning of life, violent belligerence, disgusting racism, elitism and the class system, and the destructiveness of the consumer society with all its environmental damage. We wanted something better, something more meaningful and rewarding, something deeper, less violent and destructive, and we thought we could do it. We really thought we could build a better society and get out of the death machine. The dream was something simple, self-sufficient and more in harmony with the planet. It was the days of simplicity. We were living a revolution.
 
About the 60's of the twentieth century, it is important to make reference to May 1968 that was a great wave of protests that began with student demonstrations to call for reforms in the educational sector of France. The academics joined the workers and promoted the biggest general strike in Europe, with the participation of about 10 million people. The beginning of everything was a series of conflicts between students and authorities at the University of Paris in Nanterre, a city near the French capital. On May 2, 1968, the University administration threatened to expel several students accused of leading the movement against the institution. The measures provoked the immediate reaction of the students of one of the most renowned universities in the world, the Sorbonne, in Paris.
 
The student movement, which began at the University of Nanterre in 1968, spread rapidly throughout Paris, reaching the Sorbonne, the entire Latin Quarter, and, in a few weeks, the main French provinces. This movement erupted at the center of a highly industrialized capitalist Europe after the Second World War, at the height of a capitalist economic growth of almost thirty uninterrupted years (the glorious years). This movement was not reduced to the agitation of university students who were constituted in the force that announced the ongoing rebellion. Student effervescence was, rather, the most obvious manifestation or the sensitive barometer of general discontent and of a major crisis that was already unfolding within French society, whose deepest origins belonged to the process of economic development inaugurated at the end of the eighteenth century with the 1st Industrial Revolution.
 
Not only was the capitalist economic order at stake, but the social order itself and with it the alienation to which the entire French population was subjected - the lack of meaning of a bureaucratized capitalist society, where most citizens carried a trivial, mediocre existence , repetitive, repressive and repressed. Every social order was being questioned, the lifestyle, everyday life was under suspicion. An arduous struggle was fought against the bosses and the state. "Ni Dieu, Ni Mâitre!" Exclaimed the anarchists, reminiscent of Auguste Blanqui's motto of the late nineteenth century. "To the Bas-État Policier!" cried other rebels, savagely repressed by the police force - violence organized and concentrated in the hands of the state, which holds the monopoly of arms.
 
On May 25, 1968, the day after the most violent night of spring riots with 200 injured, two dead and ten million workers on strike, negotiations were held among the government, employers, workers' union and students. Thirty hours later, Prime Minister Pompidou announced the outcome of the negotiations, including wage increases, reduction of working time, advances in trade union law, reduction of taxes on wages, among other concessions. The leaders of the CGT workers announced the victory. Throughout the country, the agreements entered into have been considered, however, acts of treason. Indeed, the agreements reached were not up to the gigantic mobilization of May 1968. It was also said that a pre-revolutionary situation was aborted and betrayed by the communists of the PCF. May 1968 represented, therefore, a defeat of the forces that wanted to make profound changes in the French society.
 
A new May 1968 may happen all over the world because the conditions prevailing in May 1968 have worsened even more over time. We are now facing a world in which human beings are totally alienated that do not realize what is happening. They accept without discussing the unfortunate life that was planned for them. The current production system colonizes all walks of life. People have resigned themselves to this life because they think that there can be no other model of organization of society. And that's where the force of present domination lies: to create the illusion that this system that colonized the whole face of the Earth represents the best that humanity has ever built in terms of social organization. To dream of another world has become a crime criticized unanimously by the media and the public
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 16, 2018 - 10:40pm
Fernando, I want to thank you for that very interesting view on the 60s, from a distinctly unamerican, yet very relevant point of view. 
I was living on a US Army base then in Heidelberg Germany, and my visits to the Gasthuases as a teenager were my introduction to a non-american point of view of what was happening. It really opened my eyes.
 
Again, thanks!
Mustafa
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 16, 2018 - 11:16pm
opher, I've finished with my response to your comments.  I've also addressed every liberal male on WB.  After studying tens of thousands of your kind, I've gained insight into how you were developed, and how to deal with you.
opher goodwin Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:56am
Fernando - thank you for your fascinating run through the glorious French revolution of 1968. If only we had all joined in and changed the obscene system.
You are right - conditions have greatly worsened and we do need another revolution to put it right.
Roll on another sixties, a renaissance and an awakening.
opher goodwin Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:57am
Great Ryan - I look forward to reading that.
Stone-Eater Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:07am
Oph
 
Very nice one. Reminded me of my youth, although, being born in 1958, I was 2 years old when they started. However, because my father brought home every month about 40 worn-out '45 singles (he insured all the bars, and the bar owner gave him all the old singles when they changed the stuff in the jukeboxes) since I can remember. I knew all those bands although I was only a little kid.
 
When I was 15, it was definitively over with hippies and stuff, but Genesis and others were my favs anyway, until I got into Punk.
Stone-Eater Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:08am
Hm. Do you guys realize that Ryan has only 3 subjects he endlessly brings into each of his "comments" ?
 
"Liberal", "Homosexual" and "Constitution". A very restricted person indeed, I might say LOL
Stone-Eater Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:10am
Mustafa
 
Also verstehst du Deutsch :-) Ich verstehe leider kein Farsi ....
opher goodwin Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:12am
Stone - cheers - they were great times. I hope you kept hold of all those old 45s. There was some brilliant stuff.
opher goodwin Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:13am
Stone - a limited person in all respects.
Stone-Eater Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:15am
Fernando
 
Unfortunately I missed these times because I was too young, but in 1968 we also had riots in Zurich. Quite a few people were fascinated by Guevara and "Vive la revolution!", and the youth also were rebelling against stuff like "Men don't wear long hair" or "Women don't wear pants"....
Ric Wells Added Jun 17, 2018 - 9:27am
Opher- The sixties. The dream of anything is possible. Moon landing, Civil rights struggle, voting rights act, etc. I was fortunate enough to be in the D.C. area in 67-69. Hitchhiking from my parents house to sit in the gallery at Congress to watch the fed govt at work. Although I knew much of what was done was done behind closed doors and in back rooms. Attending demonstrations both pro and con Nam. Meeting and shaking the hand of LBJ when I was in Freedom City. I don't care what your political affiliation is you meet a president at that age and it is a memorable and daunting experience. Hitchhiking up and down the East coast at 15 years old. Concerts. Souls Music. Seeing Wilson Pickett performing live in a high school gym. Vanilla Fudge, Steve Miller as the opening act. A time of dreams and expectations which sadly were left unfilled. In my opinion journalism still existed. It died after Watergate. The lies told by the military upper echelon to bolster their own power and budgets hence their own pockets. The daily overly exaggerated body counts announced by the military to give the impression the undeclared war at that time was being won. Even LBJ called out General Westmoreland that if he believed the body counts they would have killed the Vietcong 2-3 times over their actual population. The Vietnam election in 56 that was halted because the US didn't like the way it was turning out. So they declared the election was rigged. The French telling the US to stay out of Nam because it was a losing cause which they knew firsthand having lost their as well. And what happened after billions and billions of dollars spent and countless lives lost the US had to withdraw, The falsehood of the Domino Theory. The secret and illegal attacks into Cambodia, Laos and if I;m not mistaken Thailand as well. Agent Orange which this govt still denies ill effects from its use on our own troops. Shall I keep going. It was a time of jubilation and angst. A time of possibility. A time of searching and exploration. Good and bad came out of this decade and lessons were learned and some have been forgotten. The world got much smaller during the sixties as people in London Paris and many other cities demonstrated against what they considered injustices against humanity. I am glad I was there to witness both the jubilation and the horrors. 
George N Romey Added Jun 17, 2018 - 9:46am
Ric I think Watergate was the beginning of the end of the Grand Illusion of what we were taught in history books. Maybe one day we’ll get the society we keep chasing but much pain will need to happen first.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 11:20am
Ric, nice read. Nice take.
re:"Wilson Pickett performing live in a high school gym. Vanilla Fudge, "
I can only imagine.
 
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 11:27am
Stone Eater, 
"Also verstehst du Deutsch :-) Ich verstehe leider kein Farsi ..."
 
Ein bissien. German was my first, when i was young living  on an american military base in Heidelberg germany in 1969. At that time, I had no interest in language, the der die das grammar really annoyed me and i was only interested in mathematics, rock and roll and girls.
 
Ich habe mein hausaufgaben vergessen!
 
As for farsi, if you get the time, IMO it the most beautifull thing to speak and think in. Are you ready to be a poet? Are you ready to write from right to left?
 
khoda hafez!
Mustafa
Neil Lock Added Jun 17, 2018 - 11:45am
Opher: Well now, this is a most interesting thread. I'm only four years younger than you, but I regard the 70s as my growing up decade, not the 60s. For example, it was in the 70s that I went to live outside the UK for the first time. And I was never into pop, rock or what followed them, because I discovered classical music (and the brass band!) in the early 70s. Maybe that's one reason why I can get on quite well with the reasonable conservative people here.
 
Now, I do have some difficulties with environmentalism and feminism. But overall, I'm for - as you say - "excitement, adventure, discovery and travel." For all those who want it. As to the rest, well, they can live in their burrows if they want to.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 11:53am
Solomon wrote Ecclesiastes thousands of years before you were born.  He realized all was vanity, most of you still don’t.
 
He had more women, money, and power than any of you will ever have.  He realized none of it was worth it. Most of you still dream of it.  The last two verses of Ecclesiastes are a summation of what mans duty on earth is.
opher goodwin Added Jun 17, 2018 - 11:53am
Ric - you nailed the excitement and possibility of the decade. I don't think there's been anything quite like it. For me it was that awakening to the thought that we can really do anything. We don't have to follow in the same old rut and we don't have to swallow the lies.
opher goodwin Added Jun 17, 2018 - 11:54am
George - I think Vietnam was the beginning of that. Watergate added the full stop.
opher goodwin Added Jun 17, 2018 - 11:55am
Mustafa - me too - I would love to have seen Wilson Pickett.
opher goodwin Added Jun 17, 2018 - 12:00pm
Neil - I can never fathom why you have a problem with either feminism or environmentalism.
Women have (and still have) had such a bad deal and been treated abominably. It seems only logical that they are equal to men and that things need to change to enfranchise them.
It is also quite evident that we are destroying wildlife at an alarming rate and this is in nobodies interest let alone the poor creatures. I'd like my grandchildren to see wild animals. They may not.
For someone as intelligent and into excitement, discovery, adventure and travel I would have thought these were important.
Stone-Eater Added Jun 17, 2018 - 12:01pm
Mustafa
 
LOL Kein Problem. I can write a bit in Arab (which is also from right to left), my brother-in-law from Mali taught me that. But I know only a handful of phrases, because the "national" language in Mali is Bambara, not Arab. And they use the Latin alphabet, except some special letters like ò or a reversed 3, no idea how I could type that.....
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 12:09pm
opher, ric, something has happened. Memories are streaming in.
I forgot, 
I saw Sam and Dave in a US Army bar in Heidelberg Germany in 1969.
Met Sam in the bathroom.
 
In 1971  I was on that same military base standing in line to watch Willie Wonka and the Chocolate factory, when wooosh, 
two VWs exploded killing 3 GIs. Like good little soldiers, when we were commanded to hit the ground, ,we did just that and waited for  the all clear.  
 
That was my introduction to the Bader-Meinhoff gang.
 
Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 12:13pm
The Frankfurt school of communism sure has you suckered, Opher.  Weaponize women, and when the downfall of Russian communism occurred, the die hard commies just immigrated to envirofascism.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 12:14pm
Also, may I refer you liberal men to the Cloward-Piven strategy, where you overload the societal safety net, this requiring expansion of government?
Bill H. Added Jun 17, 2018 - 12:23pm
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 1:01pm
I’m no chameleon, Bill.  I don’t change just because of my audience.  
 
How any elected official, or any American voter for that matter, doesn’t think knowing your history is important, and has the AUDACITY to try and silence those of us who do, is jaw droppingly preposterous and absurd.  But, since you are one of the uninformed, you see no issues with it and approve of a citizen being silenced for merely stating historical insight is necessary.  The apathetic will be ruled by tyrants.
 
Bill, the word of the day for you is “apathetic”.  Go study that and get it into your vocabulary.
opher goodwin Added Jun 17, 2018 - 1:14pm
Mustafa - another great memory.
My memories of that period are numerous too. Sharing a control room at Abbey Road studios with Keith Moon, Jimmy Page and Dave Gilmour is probably one of the best. But being backstage with the wonderful Paul Kossoff, seeing Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix, Captain Beefheart and Led Zeppelin in small clubs and seeing Ian Dury at his peak.
You've jogged me into thinking about my best ever gigs.
opher goodwin Added Jun 17, 2018 - 1:27pm
Ryan, you are not only a twerp but a dangerous fundamentalist in the same mould as ISIS.
Your hatred, misogyny, intolerance, homophobia and sexual repression is extraordinary in this day and age. Your inability to see anybody who doesn't think like you as possibly having a loving caring life with a wonderful family is just part of your twisted stupidity.
Your ignorance about such subjects as socialism and sex education is farcical.
Your insistence of trying to inform me what my life is as if you could possibly know is not just stupid it is insane.
People like you end up throwing other people off tall buildings, burying them alive, forcing women into burqas and burning them. You would have pregnant women ostracised, stoned to death and their babies forcibly taken from them and put in orphanages where they are abused by nuns. People like you end up in churches where they abuse young children as an outlet for their perverse sexual repression.
Have you read A Handmaid's Tale? It's all about you and your insane bunch of nutters.
You are a very nasty and dangerous person whose philosophy, taken from an odious Arab doctrine thousands of years old, is malicious and destructive.
You make my case about the obnoxiousness of religious fundamentalism and puritanical for me. I just have to read your hate-filled rants. It demonstrates it all.
No wonder they threw you out of that meeting for being an obnoxious brat. You shouldn't be allowed anywhere near children. I think you need locking up.
George N Romey Added Jun 17, 2018 - 1:42pm
Yes sadly he screams sexual child abuser.  He shouldn’t be in allowed anywhere near children.
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 17, 2018 - 3:20pm
Opher Goodwin, I agree that if only we had all joined  in and changed the obscene system we would not be living the current deplorable situation. The disappearance in today's world of the last reservations of critical rationality advocated by the Enlightenment and Modernity, which have degraded themselves in successive processes of self-destruction over time, have paved the way for Postmodernity which represents the increase of the Calvary of the human beings, and also a gigantic threat to the progress of mankind. Faced with this fact, it is an immense challenge for contemporary thinkers to establish new paradigms and new values ​​of rational behavior to be formulated for human society in the current era in order to defeat the nefarious political and ideological influence of Post-Modernity as ideology of neoliberalism and globalization. Contemporary thinkers need to mobilize in the reinvention of a new Enlightenment project as did eighteenth-century thinkers in order to build a new world that will end the ordeal of humanity. Like you say we need another revolution similar to May 1968 to put it right.
 
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 17, 2018 - 3:25pm
Mustafa Kemal, I thank you for your generous opinion about my comentary concerning May 1968.
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 17, 2018 - 3:25pm
Stone-Eater in Paris, people joined the strike, until its official proclamation on May 13. That's when all of France stopped. There was a set of protests, demonstrations and conflicts in which students demanded reforms in the education sector, women demanded more equality, and workers demanded higher wages. The conquest of the sexual revolution, the increase of labor rights and the end of the Vietnam War were all part of the demands. The movement grew so much that it destabilized the government of the then president of France, General Charles De Gaulle, that, weakened politically, resigned a year later.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:00pm
Being uninformed on history is quite dangerous for you, Opher.  
 
You’re so deluded that simply upholding the ideals of 1776, minus slavery, sounds like Islam to you.  You know nothing of 1776 America or Islam, and so bleat our your silly nonsense. 
 
Then you revert to yiur communist brainwashing and identity politics.  lol.  
 
See, you dangerous communist, just like your ideological fathers, Mao, Stalin, and Pol Pot, you want to lock me up for contradicting  your silly nonsense.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:01pm
Fernando, you are the most learned nitwit on here.  That’s saying a lot with the likes of Mustafa and Opher running around.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:14pm
Ryan,  you still dont seem to understand  the use of
Ad hominem
is an instant flag that you do not have anything of substance to say.
 
And your rampant use of them?, that is remarkable.
 
Mustafa
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:26pm
Ryan, sorry about the bad link. here I will try again. Try reading it. It will cause you cognitive dissonance
 
Unfortunately, those going through cognitive dissonance do not always learn something from reality. As Festinger noted in an account when an alien landing was supposed to land and take a cult swooping out into space to a new life, when that didnt happen, many instead of realizing their foolishness, simply doubled down.
 
I quote  Festinger:
"But man’s resourcefulness goes beyond simply protecting a belief. Suppose an individual believes something with his whole heart; suppose further that he has a commitment to this belief, that he has taken irrevocable actions because of it; finally, suppose that he is presented with evidence, unequivocal and undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong: what will happen? The individual will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. Indeed, he may even show a new fervor about convincing and converting other people to his view."
 
To me, this kind of sounds like you.
 
Mustafa
 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:36pm
Your inability to grasp how uninformed you are, Mustafa, does not turn the entirely appropriate term of nitwit into an ad hominem, when applied to you. 
 
Facts bounce off you.  So, a rod has to be used with fools. 
 
You don't understand history or morality virtually at all, like your fellow clueless liberal dimwits.  Impervious to reason, you respond only to brute force.  Go look up implacable and reprobate.  They are applicable to you and many of your friends. 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:41pm
Try to stay away from Google, Wikipedia, and the other leftist trash that your puppetmasters control you with.  Instead, take your happy self to a library and start reading historically astute books older than 1950.  I'd recommend the 50 Volume set "the Harvard Classics" for you.  That would be a good place to start. 
 
It's desperately funny that you are trying hard to avoid cognitive dissonance, yet furiously accuse me of your crime.  You don't know enough to give me cognitive dissonance.  I know more that is worth knowing than you and your liberal friends.  Because while you were frittering away your time in pursuing folly, I was not.  And so, those who don't give in to folly acquire wisdom.  Then we have to deal with you Cain types, who hate us because you finally recognize the sad consequences of your dumb choices in your youth.  You were surpassed by youth.  So sad. 
 
The saddest thing is, you can still turn it around and devote your life to God, but you still spurn him and reject him.  As such, you will live a short and miserable conclusion, and be shortly forgotten by the world.  It's all your own fault too.  You were warned.  You didn't heed, and were deceived.  Been happening since Eve.  You aren't the first, and you definitely won't be the last.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:43pm
Psychiatry is bogus.  You quote a man who practically  no one knows of, and he too, will be shortly forgotten by history.  History is full of people like him and you.  She gleefully covers you up, and the fresh batch of fools plunges to their doom, thinking they are wise and repeating your dumb mistakes.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:43pm
Ryan, could you read it? Did you dare?
 
Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:45pm
What a dunce you are.
 
I've read that stuff many times in the past few decades. 
 
As if I need a heathen like you to teach me anything.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 4:46pm
Thrashing you liberal lefties is child's play.  The worst you can respond with is your usual explosion of identity politics, stupid logical fallacy assertions, and more smokescreens to hide your being uninformed and corrupt.  You fool no one but yourself.
 
Esse quam videri.  Try to be that.
 
Also, Alia tentande via est.  Try that.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 5:24pm
Ryan, 
 
Show me one place where i use identity politics.
Here   RM:identity politics is one of yours. It is filled with it.
 
and here
"Thrashing you liberal lefties is child's play.  The worst you can respond with is your usual explosion of identity politics"
is another. 
 
But this
"stupid logical fallacy assertions"
is almost a masterpiece, I think I might call that a metafallacy or a megafallacy. But thanks I indeed, finally did learn something from you;
a joke to tell.
 
But Ryan, back to the fun.
 
Many of your posts are filled with not only rampant fallacies, but rampant errors.
 
It appears that almost every time you open your mouth out comes an error or a fallacy. 
 
1):Then we have to deal with you Cain types, who hate us
I certainly dont hate you. Where did you get that idea? 
 
2) Facts bounce off you.
Thats funny, I have made my livelihood absorbing and articulating them and subjecting those articulations to peer review , successfully for publication.
 
3) You don't understand history or morality virtually at all, like your fellow clueless liberal dimwits.
Could be que si, could be que no, but you have not made a case for that.  Therefore it is adhominem.  On the other hand, I could, if I cared to, make a case that you are wrong, yet again. But I maintain that, depending on your definition I  suspect I am not a lberal at all. Of course if it means being open to new experiences, thoughts and ideas, I surely am, and you surely not.
 
4) Impervious to reason, you respond only to brute force.
How has that been working for you? mister tough guy? 
Can you show me one (1) place where you presented “reason?”
(warning, by definition, there cannot be any fallacies involved)
 
5) yet furiously accuse me of your crime.
Furiously? Where do you come up with this nonsense? Your posts appear quite emotional.  A common sign of cognitive dissonance.
 
6) You don't know enough to give me cognitive dissonance. 
     Actually, I think that I do. ( technically this not really an error, it is a simple Declarative statement, which has no value since yet again, is unsupported and more like "your opinion"
 
7)Because while you were frittering away your time in pursuing folly, I was not. 
Clearly, you dont seem able to read.  I tried to help by telling you something of myself. 
 
8)
The saddest thing is, you can still turn it around and devote your life to God, but you still spurn him and reject him. 
 
Again, you are wrong.  This to me is a sure sign of cognitive dissonance; Every error, every fallacy that I point out to you, causes you to spurt out even more. 
 
Gotta run, the grandchildren want to play.


khoda hafez
Mustafa
 
 
 
 
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 17, 2018 - 5:28pm
Ryan Messano, I am the most learned nitwit on here on your estimation. The real idiot is you who is incapable of interpreting one of the most important events of history in the twentieth century. I suggest you to study history to not participate in a debate like this as a real idiot.
George N Romey Added Jun 17, 2018 - 5:30pm
I see Autumn banning Ryan ( maybe for the 2nd time?)
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:03pm
 
It's amazing you can chirp about errors, Mustafa, when you can't even properly use punctuation, and it doesn't appear to be computer error or typing errors either, as mine are.  What the heck is "i" that  you always use?
 
You've consistently done that for weeks.  Get the English language right, before you try to master ideas. 
 
Your assertions are illogical.  You don't know enough history to have an informed opinion on much of anything.  We've already demonstrated that.  Let's get back to shutting you up by demanding that you name the five biographies of the Founders you've read.  It's quite apparent that you are a proverbial volcano of nonsense. 
 
1):Then we have to deal with you Cain types, who hate us
I certainly dont hate you. Where did you get that idea? 
I didn't specify you, did I?  I said a type.  Can you understand English?
 
2) Facts bounce off you.
Thats funny, I have made my livelihood absorbing and articulating them and subjecting those articulations to peer review , successfully for publication.
LOL, Appeal to expert logical fallacy.  Besides, you see as you are, not as things are.  Your prodigal youth distorted your vision, and you are now blind to truth and wisdom.  The only way to heal is to renounce your past evil, but you are madly in love with it, and wish to re live it.  Peer review = fallible men review fallible men and come to infallible conclusions.  Makes perfect sense!!!
 
3) You don't understand history or morality virtually at all, like your fellow clueless liberal dimwits.
Could be que si, could be que no, but you have not made a case for that.  Therefore it is adhominem.  On the other hand, I could, if I cared to, make a case that you are wrong, yet again. But I maintain that, depending on your definition I  suspect I am not a lberal at all. Of course if it means being open to new experiences, thoughts and ideas, I surely am, and you surely not.
After this, I won't be responding to you, until you list those biographies.  I forgot how exhausting it is dealing with a determined libertine whose reason has been perverted. 
 
4) Impervious to reason, you respond only to brute force.
How has that been working for you? mister tough guy? 
Can you show me one (1) place where you presented “reason?”
(warning, by definition, there cannot be any fallacies involved)
Very well.  Attracting you liberals, like a lightning rod, I already have Jeff MuchKrap off the deep end.  Are you seriously asking me to show one place where I showed "reason"?  How about you sit yourself down with a dictionary and a thesaurus and study the word "reason" for the first one hour of your life.  Words are frighteningly unmeaningful to you.  Getting into conversations with you lunatic lefties is counterproductive.  You are living a lie, and will try to make the truth out to be a lie.  That way, you can appease your dormant conscience.  The saddest thing, is you are lethargic too.  Look that word up too, dunce.  It's very sad that a man who never attended college like you has to school you in basic English words.  Yet, your pretentious veneer and pride, like the rhinoceros' hide remains intact.  Pride does that.  You'll never learn until you throw aside the useless learning you were taught defined you.  You must unlearn what you learned.  There is a good chance you'll die deceived if you continue on your current path.   
 
5) yet furiously accuse me of your crime.
Furiously? Where do you come up with this nonsense? Your posts appear quite emotional.  A common sign of cognitive dissonance.
Yes, I'm not an apathetic dunce, as you are.  Emotion is commonly associated with indignation, which is commonly associated with a young man facing an older one who is willfully corrupt and uninformed.  Young wise, and virtuous men detest dirty, old, foolish men like you.  We would hate to become like you, and we study to avoid doing anything like what you did to become as you did.  The wise learn from the mistakes of fools, but fools never learn from the examples of the wise. 
 
6) You don't know enough to give me cognitive dissonance. 
     Actually, I think that I do. ( technically this not really an error, it is a simple Declarative statement, which has no value since yet again, is unsupported a
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:03pm
 and more like "your opinion"
We've already gone over that, simpleton.  You can't name five biographies of the Founders you've read.  Everyone on WB knows this.  Your words betray your woeful ignorance on the topic.  Plus, you further blurted out your folly when you told of your past.  You definitely weren't reading. 
 
7)Because while you were frittering away your time in pursuing folly, I was not. 
Clearly, you dont seem able to read.  I tried to help by telling you something of myself. 
 
You did help.  You revealed the foolish choices that led you to become the corrupt and historically uninformed man you are today.  You are a modern day Epicurean,  though you have certain Stoic habits as well.  None for a good cause though.  All the good you do have, you pervert for your nefarious selfish purposes.  An educated mind without educated morals is a menace to society, and that is precisely, my dear man, what you are.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:06pm
Zip it, Fernando.  You are another pseudo intellectual.  Why anyone reveres you liberal frauds I have no idea.  You are the rotten men that are tearing our civilization down.  It hurts my mind to think of all the corruption you had to engage in to go so far off the deep end. 
 
I would like to see the criminal records and prescription histories of all you liberal men.  Mine's completely clean.  I'm sure we'd learn quite a bit about you if we got our hands on yours. 
 
George, you don't see much these days, but you certainly do see lies well, as Autumn never banned me. 
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:21pm
Ryan Messano, pseudo-intellectual is you who demonstrates complete ignorance on the subjects that you treat. In fact, instead of pseudo-intellectual, I consider you a human trash because of its aggressive attitude in dealing with people and being unable to debate at a high level because you has no knowledge about the issues under discussion.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 6:26pm
Yes, my mind is closed to the communist garbage you idolize.  And the corrupt habits your life is surely full of are banned from my mind.  My mind, unlike yours, is not a sewer. 
 
"you has".  Yup, high level debate you are capable of. 
 
Keep your mouth shut, you communist fraud.
Flying Junior Added Jun 17, 2018 - 7:05pm
Zip it...
 
Keep your mouth shut...
 
Good luck with that screwball!
George N Romey Added Jun 17, 2018 - 7:09pm
Ryan no one wants to hear your juvenile psycho rants. You insult everyone and have not one supporter. You’ve already been exposed on this site as being escorted out of a school board meeting. 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 7:16pm
George, when you get the backbone to stand up publicly, on your own, for any issue, that’s when you’ll have the guts to have a worthy opinion. Until then, you will remain the envious groupthink sycophant.
 
You can’t even get basic facts right.  It wasn’t a school board meeting, you don’t know what it was about, and you endorse it? What a pathetic nitwit you are. 
 
With nitwits like you running around, our rights are seriously endangered.  Of course, with you, right and wrong depends on if there is money or fun in it for you. You are a slacker, a lazy neophyte, and a disgrace to the American male.
 
 
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 17, 2018 - 7:17pm
Ryan Messano, Your manifestation is typically of an stupid fascist who does not accept and does not respect divergent opinions; I hold my view that you are human trash.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 7:18pm
George illustrates the typical liberal insanity.  
 
The man hasnt the slightest idea what my altercation was about, is too lazy to thoroughly investigate, doesn’t know any of the history surrounding it, is again to lazy to research, but has NO PROBLEM endorsing a tyrannical action that he understands not at all.  
 
You are pathetic, George!
George N Romey Added Jun 17, 2018 - 7:26pm
Funny Ryan no one agrees with you. And yes as Fernando indicated you are human trash. You are to be pitied.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 7:39pm
Fernando, go read the history of Nazi Germany again. You apparently know nothing about fascism.  You are nothing but a Marxist Fraud.
 
George, go look up the appeal to popularity logical fallacy.  Then stop repeating it.  The truth isn’t defined by popularity.  
 
You are a groupthink lemming.
 
 
 
 
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 17, 2018 - 7:47pm
Ryan Messano, I've read enough about Nazi fascism and I'm sure that if you had lived in Hitler's Germany or Mussolini's Italy you would be a member of the Nazi and fascist parties respectively. Your profile, I repeat, is of a stupid Nazi-fascist.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 8:08pm
Fail, you lying Marxist. 
 
I’m no anti-Semite, nor am I an imperialist.  Further, I don’t believe in concentration camps, even for parasites like you.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 8:10pm
WB regulars, take note.  This fraud and windbag sounds impressive, but when you attack, his real colors come out.  An identity politics liar is what he is.  Has no problem lying about me and calling me a fascist, when I’m simply imitating the ideals of the Founders of America, who weren’t fascists.  How do learned sounding types like you get so clueless, Fernando?
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 17, 2018 - 8:19pm
Ryan Messano, I give up continuing this exchange of insults because I'm not low-level intellectual as you are.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 8:46pm
Hey Ryan, do you remember what this post was about?
 
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 8:49pm
opher, 
:"sharing a control room at Abbey Road studios with Keith Moon, Jimmy Page and Dave Gilmour is probably one of the best. But being backstage with the wonderful Paul Kossoff, seeing Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix, Captain Beefheart and Led Zeppelin in small clubs and seeing Ian Dury at his peak."
 
Those sound like very unique experences. Maybe someday you will share. I certainly would mind.
 
Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 8:50pm
Five biographies, Mustafa.  Don’t address your betters until you list them.
 
That goes for you too, Fernando.  You pretentious blueblood. 
 
Im a high school dropout, and I’ll wipe the floor with you.
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 8:50pm
opher, I meant, I certainly wouldnt mind.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 8:53pm
A mind full of nonsense and pleasure, and devoid of wisdom and virtue.
 
That is the problem with liberal men.  Conservative men often have the same problem.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 8:58pm
Ryan,
:"Five biographies, Mustafa. "
 
No, Ryan, let me spell it out.
 
IT WAS ABOUT THE 60s
 
Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Jun 17, 2018 - 9:01pm
“If you don’t know history, you don’t know anything.  You are like a leaf that doesn’t know its part of a tree”
Michael Crichton 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 17, 2018 - 9:22pm
"Sabbath - a weekly festival having its origin in the fact that God made the world in six days and was arrested on the seventh."


Ambrose Bierce
A. Jones Added Jun 18, 2018 - 12:14am
I was eleven when the sixties started and twenty one when they ended so the sixties were my formative years and boy what formative years they were.
 
Talk about living in the past!
Stone-Eater Added Jun 18, 2018 - 4:57am
Ryboy
 
Why the fuck don't you just piss off instead of trashing all the articles here with your delusional blather ?
George N Romey Added Jun 18, 2018 - 7:00am
Best music ever came out of the 60s. 
 
Ryan just crying for attention.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 18, 2018 - 9:47am
You liberals are great at evil surmising.   George, maybe study that for the first time in your life. 
 
Stone, apparently you are Mr. Hyde today.  Yesterday, you were Dr. Jekyll.  
Stone-Eater Added Jun 18, 2018 - 10:21am
Ryboy
 
I'm Pennywise. You're Goofy :-)
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 18, 2018 - 11:52am
Ryan Messano, I refuse to talk to an asshole like you.
Bill H. Added Jun 18, 2018 - 6:55pm
 
Probably best that we all agree to ignore Ryan. If he receives no interaction, he just might fade away into the sunset.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 18, 2018 - 7:41pm
Good, Fernando.  Don't speak to your betters. A very wise choice.  One of the best you've made on here.  Being humiliated at your age is quite sad.  But you made dumb choices and embrace dumb ideas, so wiping the floor with them is what all wise men do.  It's a disgrace you still have a filthy mouth at your age too.  You should have cleaned it up long ago. 
 
Please do, Bill.  I get silent treatment from quite a few who are allergic to truth.  While they stew in bitterness and hatred, I walk along blithely, singing "Hakuna Matata", and "Zip E Doo Dah, Zip E Dee Day, My oh my what a wonderful day, plenty of sunshine headed my way".  LOL. 
 
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
George N Romey Added Jun 18, 2018 - 7:50pm
Good idea Bill.
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 18, 2018 - 9:51pm
Ryan Messano as I told you, you're a human trash. I agree with Bill H. because human trash should not deserve a response.
Bill H. Added Jun 18, 2018 - 11:07pm
 
OK - we have two.
Adios, Ryan.......
I hope you are able to tolerate the rest of your miserable life.
Now we have three.
Any others?
wsucram15 Added Jun 19, 2018 - 2:27am
Ryan..come on.  You did serve in the non active military on a ship I believe.
But I am from a military family of men who served from WWI to the most recent of events in some capacity.
I dont think it is liberal to say that Vietnam was a farce, the war on the middle east the same after a point, and while WWII needed to be fought, we lost too many men for going in as late as we did.
I have heard some of those stories...dont be so flippant with the lives of others.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 19, 2018 - 10:18am
Ryan,
 
read this. Its called Ryanspeak:
 
"Don't speak to your betters. A very wise choice.  One of the best you've made on here.  Being humiliated at your age is quite sad.  But you made dumb choices and embrace dumb ideas, so wiping the floor with them is what all wise men do.  It's a disgrace you still have a filthy mouth at your age too.  You should have cleaned it up long ago. "
it has all the Love of a Christian 
 
and the sense of an imbecile
 
Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Jun 19, 2018 - 10:34am
Keep talking about the love of a Christian, Mustafa, and let me know how it reconciles with Phinehas, and how Jezebel and Achan were treated.  Poke your nose in the Bible, you interfering busybody.  That way you’ll spare WB with your consistently wrongheaded opinions.
 
Why are you talking about Christian love anyway, you doddering heathen, when you neither know or obey the Bible?
Ryan Messano Added Jun 19, 2018 - 10:48am
Fernando, you are a Marxist degenerate, with the historical concept of a gnat.  All you word diarrhea only deceives the gullible liberal men, which WB has its fair share of.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 19, 2018 - 10:49am
Bill H.  Appeal to popularity logical fallacy, learn it.  Try to incorporate it into your thinking.
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 19, 2018 - 11:07am
Ryan Messano, you're a proven fascist. You are, I repeat, human trash.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 19, 2018 - 11:20am
Belay my last, in addition to your being a Marxist degenerate, you are an incorrigible liar.  Like most leftists, you throw your identity politics feces, in a desperate attempt to hide your intellectual cravenness. 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 19, 2018 - 12:33pm
Wyan,
re:" you throw your identity politics feces, in a desperate attempt to hide your intellectual cravenness."
is this
Liberal Male identity politics
what you are talking about?
 
You say the funniest things!
 
Mustafa
 
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 19, 2018 - 7:38pm
Ryan Messano, you're a proven fascist. You are, I repeat, human trash.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 19, 2018 - 7:45pm
Do you have Tourette's, Fernando, or do you stutter?  Repeating lies doesn't make them so. 
Ryan Messano Added Jun 19, 2018 - 7:46pm
Mostofa Kamel, were you trying to make a point?
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 19, 2018 - 8:34pm
Ryan Messano, I repeat what I have already stated because you insist on quoting my name in your comments. As many times as you mention my name I will repeat that you are fascist and a human trash. I will only stop repeating what you are in my opinion when you fail to mention my name.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 19, 2018 - 8:42pm
Brilliant strategy, Fernando.  You leftists lie quite often.  You are malicious and vile snakes.  
 
I love attacking you head on to make you bare your fangs publicly.  Once you are exposed, we all see who you really are, and aren’t deceived by the verbal fairy tales you deceive yourself and the works with.
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 19, 2018 - 8:50pm
You are the one who proves to be a disgusting person to the point that everyone at WB regards you as human trash. Remember the saying: he who sows wind reaps storm. It´s what you are doing. I repeat: besides being fascist, you are a human trash.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 19, 2018 - 9:14pm
Appeal to popularity logical fallacy.  Go look it up.  How are you your age and don't know your logical fallacies.  "No man is hated more than he who tells the truth."  Plato.
 
"I have always been of the opinion that unpopularity earned by doing what is right is not unpopularity at all, but glory."  Cicero.
 
Not sure why you engage, I'll run circles around you, and make you look like the bumbling humbug you are. 
 
You are already a triggered snowflake sputtering out your tired, "Nazi, Fascist, Human trash".  Not sure if you are already senile, because you keep repeating yourself.  Very sad.  Liberalism is a mental illness.
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 19, 2018 - 9:40pm
Ryan Messano, you're a human trash.
Ryan Messano Added Jun 19, 2018 - 10:50pm
 
Wow, I've never triggered a snowflake before to where they repeated "human trash" eight times.  It's a record, Fernando, Congratulations!
 
I'm curious, how many psychotropic drugs have you been on your life, to fuel  your delusions?  Ordinary people can't get through life believing as you do without the aid of some pretty powerful drugs. 
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 19, 2018 - 11:04pm
Ryan Messano, mentally ill people can not live without the help of some very powerful drugs. This should be your case, human trash.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 19, 2018 - 11:30pm
@Opher Goodwin:
”My memories of that period are numerous too. Sharing a control room at Abbey Road studios with Keith Moon, Jimmy Page and Dave Gilmour is probably one of the best. But being backstage with the wonderful Paul Kossoff, seeing Pink Floyd, Jimi Hendrix, Captain Beefheart and Led Zeppelin in small clubs and seeing Ian Dury at his peak.”


 
Wow, that is quite amazing.  I bet you have great stories.
Neil Lock Added Jun 20, 2018 - 6:47pm
Heh heh, there's lots for psychologists to analyze on this thread, isn't there? I commend you, Opher, for your hands-off approach to Ryan Messano. Evidence will tell, eventually.
Neil Lock Added Jun 20, 2018 - 6:49pm
Oh and Fernando, of course you were the innocent party, but you need not have been quite so rude.
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 20, 2018 - 8:08pm
Neil Lock, I've been rude because I'm being unduly attacked.
 
A. Jones Added Jun 20, 2018 - 9:30pm
I've been rude because I'm being unduly attacked.
 
You've been duly attacked, Fernando, because you deserve it. You're plainly a kook with delusions of grandeur.
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jun 20, 2018 - 10:24pm
A. Jones, I will not waste my time arguing with you. Assume your insignificance.
wsucram15 Added Jun 22, 2018 - 3:01pm
come up and talk about jazz...
Logical Man Added Jun 24, 2018 - 8:47pm
I grew up in a similar situation, just a few years behind you.
I think what we didn't understand, because it was deliberately kept from us, was the power of bankers.
The bands I remember, many of which I was fortunate to see in concert, Gentle Giant, Wishbone Ash, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, The Groundhogs, Jethro Tull......  I think I may have grown up in the 'golden age; of music!
I discovered cannabis, psilocybin, LSD, amphetamines........
I learned to eat fire.
I rode fast motorcycles.
I lived to tell the tale!
I'm physically old now, but I think (hope?) there's still a young guy in my head.