, I CAN'T GO HOME AGAIN!

, I CAN'T GO HOME AGAIN!
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Did you ever go to another state or country, and then have occasion to return after years away? When my mother died, I returned to Brentwood, Long Island, where I grew up. It was a TOTALLY different place. Much more developed, heavy traffic, and the feeling of nostalgia, left me immediately!

 

Well, I listened to Donald Trumps speech from South Carolina today, and got the same feeling. I have been away from America for many years now, and the nostalgia I had, left me! After listening to Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi, and then Trump, I realized that MY AMERICA no longer exists.

 

You see, I believe in the DIALECTIC! That by comparing arguments, and eliminating that which conflicts in extreme, a person can find truth to act upon.

 

http://csmt.uchicago.edu/glossary2004/dialectic.htm

 

In my America, the Democratic Party represented the working people. I was raised a Democrat, because my family were working class. Republicans represented the business class, and the rich. Well, the working class needs the business class to provide jobs and factories to work in, and we all need the rich to invest in those enterprises and finance development.

 

All realized we need each other! Democrats brought OSHA, unions and most of all RESPECT to workers. Republicans brought Industry and prosperity to communities. I was part of some union negotiations, and participated in strikes, but it always ended in Compromise! The company maintaining the profit margin needed to do business, workers getting protection and benefits to live a good life.

 

 

But I heard Maxine Waters calling for civil unrest, and personal attacks on anyone associated with the Trump admin. And Nancy Pelosi calling for protection of immigrants, and defiance of federal statutes. None seeking compromise, or new legislation.

 

Then I heard Trump blowing his own trumpet on how great everything is; and realized that Dialectic as a means of finding the best way to solve a problem is DEAD!

 

So Dialectic as a means of discovery is dead.

Journalism, as a means of discovering information is dead.

Honest appraisal of activity is dead.

Google Parrots who post on social media, are brain dead.

 

The only thing alive and well is EMOTION. Hate the other side, even if you once agreed with him. Oppose the other sides ideas and actions, even if it presents a solution to a problem.

 

Dialectic is dead! Which means reasonable solutions are dead. Which means compromise is dead. And reasonable doubt died a long time ago.

 

So I can not go home again, because the America where all opinions were allowed, i.e. “I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it.”

Is dead, and no longer exists!

Epitaph. THE LATE GREAT UNITED STATES.

 

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I hear more and more people use the word absolutely, when presenting an argument. To me, that means they don't understand the issue. After all, if you don't understand there are two or more sides to an issue, how can you understand why it is an issue? How silly would you look debating a one sided issue?

 

But that is what American society has become; you are either on one side or the other; left or right, liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat, Black or White, gay or straight. We assign names to diminish each other. WE argue constantly, but never come to an understanding.

 

Social progress is at a standstill World Wide. And those who are suffering the most, are the one's in society that need understanding the most!

 

 

Hitherto men have always formed wrong ideas about themselves, about what they are and what they ought to be. They have arranged their relations according to their ideas of God, of normal man, etc. The products of their brains have got out of their hands. They, the creators, have bowed down before their creations.”
Karl Marx, The German Ideology

 

Comments

EXPAT Added Jun 26, 2018 - 4:49am
I have learned to live with uncertainty, and to revel in discovery. I pity those who must have a world that is both sure and perfect. The current Animosity that grips all aspects of life in the USA today, is the result of fear of the unknown. Progressivism is dead, Political Science is disrupted, and Government is no longer predictable. The old adage that "the only thing certain is death and taxes" has been upended to "the only thing certain is death".  Trump has changed taxes, both personal and international, known as Tariff's.
 
EXPAT Added Jun 26, 2018 - 4:51am
On the subject of Trump, he is a phenomenon that no one has yet to understand, adding to the uncertainty. Although many indicators are favorable, many prefer the predictability of past administrations.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jun 26, 2018 - 7:59am
A friend of 40+ years just closed his businesses, sold everything at a loss and moved to Thailand. From what he said it's much much worse there than what can be imagined. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jun 26, 2018 - 8:50am
Expat the reality of the Democratic party and even the Republican party is different then the mask we saw growing up.  Trump succeeded in one thing, removing those masks.
 
Democrats party opened the Louisiana Territory to future slavery which was the precursor to the Civil War.  The Whigs which flooded into the Republican party were compliment in creating the conditions for the Civil War.  Much like the Republican party today is complicit in open borders.  
 
"All the New Dealers I had known were Communists or near- communists. None of them took the New Deal seriously as an end in itself. They regarded it as an instrument for gaining their own revolutionary ends. ... Every move against the Communists was felt by the liberals as a move against themselves. . . . The Communists were fully aware of their superior tactical position, and knew that they had only to shout their innocence and cry: “Witch hunt!” for the liberals to rally in all innocence to their defense.

Some things don’t change: we are still undergoing a revolution by bookkeeping and lawmaking, and we continue to hear the snarls of “witch hunt” whenever this revolution is challenged."
 
Reading this explains the foreign policy of Obama.  Islamic government is structurally the same a communist government, totalitarian.  I believe that the EU is using influx of Muslims to reduce the belief in liberty and to create chaos which the EU will clean up with socialism.
wsucram15 Added Jun 26, 2018 - 10:28am
Expat..it is bad now.
But when people pack up and leave the fight to save anything is over.
Are you sure its America thats different and not just the times?
I can remember going to the corner store or hanging out in NYC and a lot of that stuff is gone now.  Some is still there..but a lot of what made it unique is gone.
I mean the city has forced out hundreds of stores that people counted on for food, entertainment and socialization is just gone. The mayor took down Carnegie Hall Studios with taxpayer monies. That was supposed to be an artists thing. Now its a 1%ers thing.
The record stores like Bleekers, Colony, Mannys-music row?  what about the places like The Coffee Pot? Cafe Edison? I mean even Elaines closed.  So many cool little diners, stores and restaurants to make way for condos.  FAO Schwartz..gone. 
The times square visitors center isnt even there anymore.  The book stores are mostly gone, not all but most. That is so sad.
This is the corporate America everyone wanted Expat. there is no little guy anymore.
The city I live in now has changed dramatically in the past 20 years. The town I grew up in doesnt resemble the place I remember. Some of my friends still live there but its so dilapidated.
 
Its not about politics Expat..its the people and the way we access things now.  We dont need to see people, we dont need to interact...we need housing.   Not cool little stores. (sarcasm) The way things are going..all will will need is AI.   So yeah..stay where you are, at least you interact with people. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jun 26, 2018 - 3:27pm
Can not go back to radio, newspaper, propeller aircraft, etc.  Amazon, Walmart, and Starbucks are not going anywhere.  the Sear Stove I grew up visiting closed last month, Carson's is closing before my eyes.  Can not bring them back.  What has caused there failure is themselves.  The created their own death by creating a very narrow  view of the customers.  Sears was the Amazon and Walmart for a century.  But the method the customers communicated and the products they wanted changed.  Sears didn't.
 
This type of change never ends and we adjust without much worry.  It has been going on since the start of civilization.  
 
What is of real concern is the change in the principle that humans live by.  Religions and philosophy tells us that humans have in effect not changed.  Yes we have gotten bigger because our diet has improved but our brains and how they work have not change in a measurable way since we were using stones for tools, hunter and gathers.  Humans as all animals have a survival instinct and part of that is a social and family structure.  This is hard wired into us.  And 99.99% of use get a good copy.  That is what the founders defined as law of nature and of nature's God.  Religion and philosophy have been defining this in words for centuries.  And good statements are recognized as true for centuries.  
 
The dominant state of human society is a mastermind leader which always creates a class based society and the citizens serve the interest of the mastermind; totalitarianism.   A minor state of human society is a cooperative society which creates a society of individual that define a minimum set of social rules to control interactions conflicts; liberty.
 
What is hard to back to is when a society is being drive from liberty to totalitarianism.    
James E. Unekis Added Jun 26, 2018 - 4:05pm
Expat,
"WE argue constantly, but never come to an understanding."
 
Well said sir.
James Travil Added Jun 26, 2018 - 6:17pm
What we need is more moderates and more compromise. Extremism breeds contempt and closed minds with the extremists of each side only listening to others like themselves. They isolate themselves in their own little bubbles and refuse to see anything but what is in their bubble. This is all from the root cause of extremism, a policy now embraced by both the Democrats and the Republicans. Don't want to be called a RINO or a DINO by being bipartisan, that's blaspheme! That's why I support neither of the duolopy parties. 
EXPAT Added Jun 26, 2018 - 6:33pm
 
Jeffry Gilbert.
As you know, I have been a staunch supporter of America. Not because they do everything right; but the concept of individual RESPECT. That every man had a right to choose his own destiny.
I am coming to the belief that,  THAT America is dead. If you are not part of a gang, and think a certain way, you will be attacked in a restaurant, or even at home.
Your friend will find all the freedom he can handle in Thailand, as you and I have. I hope the adjustment is not too much for him!
EXPAT Added Jun 26, 2018 - 6:47pm
Thomas Sutrina.
We are what we believe we are! What has changed, is what we think life should be. What used to be Democrats, what I now call Democraps, believe society must change to accommodate the least of us. That we must change our life and beliefs to include deviant behavior and irrational thinking. What were institutions, the foundations of society, are now amalgam's of delusion. "I think I am a woman, so you must treat me the same as women!"
 
Republicans want things as they used to be. A hierarchy of talent, with little regard for those less talented. For them STABILITY is the key to happiness.
 
Trump exposed the corrupt level both parties are willing to accept to maintain their belief!
 
The lessons of history, no longer apply! Motivation has changed, so results change. We are in a time of discovery, and with discovery comes more failures than success.
 
EXPAT Added Jun 26, 2018 - 6:55pm
wsucram15.
We make our own existence! Living in the big city, means you subject yourself to the delusions and idiosyncrasies of unstable emotional people who want to inflict their delusions on society.
They are screaming at the sky, and harassing anyone who challenges that delusion.
But I see small towns that are the same as when I lived in USA, trying to stave off Federal intrusion and change.
It is these small towns that elected Trump. Not because he is the best choice, but because he is NOT a Republican or Democrat, as they have evolved. 
EXPAT Added Jun 26, 2018 - 6:57pm
This article is NOT about nostalgia, but rather about the miserable beings we have become!
EXPAT Added Jun 26, 2018 - 7:09pm
James Unekis.
Hagel and Kant said it.
The Dialectic is founded in controversy, Thesis - Antithesis - Synthesis. But compromise has been replaced by conflict. We now live to destroy each other, which is the end of Society.
 
We still have the Thesis and Antithesis in abundance, thanks to the Internet, more than ever! But we never get to the Synthesis, which is rationalization and intelligent thought.
We are running on emotion, and will soon either burn out and retreat to an isolation room, or destroy each other!
EXPAT Added Jun 26, 2018 - 7:11pm
James Travil. Well said! But if you don't get into the fight, the maddest of the others will make the decisions!
EXPAT Added Jun 26, 2018 - 7:17pm
I favor a new Monarchy, with the best of youngsters chosen at random to be trained in all the arts, politics and economics, to rule society.
The PEOPLE have proven incompetent to make complex decisions!
Return states rights to the form they choose, but Federal decisions that affect the Nation, should be made by the finest minds available.
Dino Manalis Added Jun 26, 2018 - 7:31pm
 Home sweet home, but I hope Democrats and Republicans stop bickering and focus on America and its people!
Thomas Sutrina Added Jun 26, 2018 - 9:35pm
Expat, "what has changed, is what we think life should be." My answer to this is simple. It is not what I think life should be it is what the media, Hollywood, and Nashville broadcast endlessly what they think LIFE SHOULD BE. They are part of a cabal with the socialist that are card carrying Democrats and RINO Republicans.
 
Actually the Democraps believe in a class society and tell us we must accept their make believe classes they create at will to serve the purpose of the day. They tell the middle class that they, we, must accept the classes they define without question. Today they have said these classes are more valuable and have right that the middle class must give them: gays, liberal women, illegal aliens. They say we have no choice.
 
Expat fly over country is not buying into their spin.
 
Republican see class as you define based on two things. Family money is one group and the other is talent that creates wealth.
The lessons of history Expat still apply. Every society with a class structure have distance that push for the barriers collapse. As suppression increases history always leads to a revolution.
 
That is why the Democrats want to take guns away from citizens. They could care less if criminals have guns because criminals do not threaten their power, to few in number.
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 12:37am
I don't agree Thomas. There may be a few weak minds that succumb to entertainment, but most of America has their own personal values, and stand by them. They choose their entertainment, not that their entertainment chooses them. I stopped watching movies years ago. My chosen entertainment is old DVD's and live music at the corner bar.
 
What I see changing is RESPECT for the values others hold!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 27, 2018 - 12:48am
Well, I can’t say I really disagree with you.  
It used to be that Democrats and Republicans stood for what you say.  They governed and compromised.  Things hardly worked smoothly but things got done and in the end we tolerated each other.
 
Now?  No, it no longer happens that way.  The Tea Party drove Boehner to retirement and Obama pushed too hard.  Trump came along and tapped into the nativist, racist, frightened core that exists and wound up in the White House.
 
Now we just spend our time bitching at each other.
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 1:59am
Jeffrey Kelly. A FIRST! We are in accord. If we can do it, perhaps our nation can find common ground and mutual respect.
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 2:19am
But don't get me wrong.  I never expect USA to put aside their differences. There are too many factors at work, exacerbated by a lying google and a deranged media.
But there is so much work to be done in the world, that all that emotion now being wasted,  has to come to ground. The kids on the border is a mere fraction of the worlds children in neglect. The slaughter has slowed down in the ME, but it won't last long.
I love it here in Thailand and have no real reason to go back!
Aaron Johnson Added Jun 27, 2018 - 2:36am
So how do the political dynamics work in Thailand that make it so much more appealing than the U.S.?
Flying Junior Added Jun 27, 2018 - 3:02am
Personally I blame the right.  The first time I heard of it was in 1990 from the Pastor Emeritus of the First Baptist Church of San Diego delivering an impassioned sermon to the old people Sunday School Class.
 
Don't get me wrong.  I consider this man one of the pillars of my youthful ascendancy.  I was auditing this class because I had respect for his theology and ideals.
 
But I heard this whack-a-doodle notion that all of society's ills were to be blamed on the 1960s counter-culture.  I had never heard any of that before?  I had no idea who Pat Buchanan and Jerry Falwell were when they rose to prominence in the early 1970s.
 
Falwell was easily the worst of the two with his invention of the never-forgotten mantra, "Abortion is murder."  We are talking 1970.
 
Enter Reagan.  A decent man.  A good American and a towering statesman.  There was no real indication that anything was wrong.  I would never blame Reagan for what had happenned in the decade before his election.  I would bite my own tongue off before I would even think of blaming him for what happened in the 1990s.
 
Yet the seeds were there.  GHWB easily swept into the WH after condemning George Dukakis for proclaiming to be a card-carrying member of the ACLU.
 
Editor's note:  It was not known at that time that the ACLU would defend the right of the KKK to exist and hold rallies.
 
Liberals all bake a cake.  Youthful Bill Clinton, by any thinking person's definition, a shrewd, if not ingenious politician ascends to the presidency of the U.S.A.  We all laugh and high-five each other that the old-man party of the republicans has finally taken one on the chin.  Clinton is widely hailed as an international leader.
 
But his hippy past and love of JFK prove to be his undoing.  By this point it is republicans against democrats.  No punches pulled.  No going back.  There is no more thought of working together.
 
Enter  Salamander Gingrich.  "Contract on America."
 
Clinton sees the best path forward to define a moderate position as the leader of the democratic party.
 
BTW, just today the monster identified his opponents as, "democrat politicians," as if he had not idea that the proper term was democratic politicians.
 
So Clinton decides to end the culture wars for once and for all by finding constructive compromise with the republicans.
 
You know.  Welfare reform.  Repealing Glass-Steagall.  The ability of media conglomerates to own more than eight radio stations...
 
You youngsters don't remember any of this.  So Bill more or less gives away the store to his distinguished republican colleagues.
 
But that's the whole thing today, isn't it, you dumb Trumpies?  Clinton!  HRC.  Evil personified.
 
Enter our most dignified and respectable president of the modern era.  A little piece of dog-shit stuck to someone's shoe propels the birther myth.
 
Own it you RW bastards.  This is all on you.  It is not simply a degradation of relations between the left and the right.
 
It is a push towards fascism.
Flying Junior Added Jun 27, 2018 - 3:27am
Final comment.  Nobody ever tried harder to mend the deepening divide than did our wonderful Barack Hussein Obama.  He would never have even entered into the national fracas if not for his inspiring and iconic keynote speech delivered at the 2004 Democratic National Convention.  You remember it.  There is no black America.  There is no white America.  There is only the U.S.A.
 
Let's see just how much the widget allows us in one comment field.
 
Obama was the answer to all of our prayers for those who still cared about working together with the other side.  Herewith.  The dems had just nominated John Kerry...   Enjoy.
Flying Junior Added Jun 27, 2018 - 3:29am
On behalf of the great state of Illinois, crossroads of a nation, land of Lincoln, let me express my deep gratitude for the privilege of addressing this convention. Tonight is a particular honor for me because, let's face it, my presence on this stage is pretty unlikely. My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His father, my grandfather, was a cook, a domestic servant.
But my grandfather had larger dreams for his son. Through hard work and perseverance my father got a scholarship to study in a magical place: America, which stood as a beacon of freedom and opportunity to so many who had come before. While studying here, my father met my mother. She was born in a town on the other side of the world, in Kansas. Her father worked on oil rigs and farms through most of the Depression. The day after Pearl Harbor he signed up for duty, joined Patton's army and marched across Europe. Back home, my grandmother raised their baby and went to work on a bomber assembly line. After the war, they studied on the GI Bill, bought a house through FHA, and moved west in search of opportunity.
And they, too, had big dreams for their daughter, a common dream, born of two continents. My parents shared not only an improbable love; they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation. They would give me an African name, Barack, or "blessed," believing that in a tolerant America your name is no barrier to success. They imagined me going to the best schools in the land, even though they weren't rich, because in a generous America you don't have to be rich to achieve your potential. They are both passed away now. Yet, I know that, on this night, they look down on me with pride.
I stand here today, grateful for the diversity of my heritage, aware that my parents' dreams live on in my precious daughters. I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American story, that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that, in no other country on earth, is my story even possible. Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our nation, not because of the height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the size of our economy. Our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed up in a declaration made over two hundred years ago, "We hold these truths to he self-evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights. That among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of its people, the insistence on small miracles. That we can tuck in our children at night and know they are fed and clothed and safe from harm. That we can say what we think, write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door. That we can have an idea and start our own business without paying a bribe or hiring somebody's son. That we can participate in the political process without fear of retribution, and that our votes will he counted ? or at least, most of the time.
This year, in this election, we are called to reaffirm our values and commitments, to hold them against a hard reality and see how we are measuring up, to the legacy of our forbearers, and the promise of future generations. And fellow Americans ? Democrats, Republicans, Independents ? I say to you tonight: we have more work to do. More to do for the workers I met in Galesburg, Illinois, who are losing their union jobs at the Maytag plant that's moving to Mexico, and now are having to compete with their own children for jobs that pay seven bucks an hour. More to do for the father I met who was losing his job and choking back tears, wondering how he would pay $4,500 a month for the drugs his son needs without the health benefits he counted on. More to do for the young woman in East St. Louis, and thousands more like her, who has the grades, has the drive, has the will, but doesn't have the money to go to college.
Don't get me wrong. The people I meet in small towns and big cities, in diners and office parks, they don't expect government to solve all their problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead and they want to. Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you they don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency or the Pentagon. Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach kids to learn. They know that parents have to parent, that children can't achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white. No, people don't ex
Flying Junior Added Jun 27, 2018 - 3:31am
No, people don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they sense, deep in their bones, that with just a change in priorities, we can make sure that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that the doors of opportunity remain open to all. They know we can do better. And they want that choice.
In this election, we offer that choice. Our party has chosen a man to lead us who embodies the best this country has to offer. That man is John Kerry. John Kerry understands the ideals of community, faith, and sacrifice, because they've defined his life. From his heroic service in Vietnam to his years as prosecutor and lieutenant governor, through two decades in the United States Senate, he has devoted himself to this country. Again and again, we've seen him make tough choices when easier ones were available. His values and his record affirm what is best in us.
John Kerry believes in an America where hard work is rewarded. So instead of offering tax breaks to companies shipping jobs overseas, he'll offer them to companies creating jobs here at home. John Kerry believes in an America where all Americans can afford the same health coverage our politicians in Washington have for themselves. John Kerry believes in energy independence, so we aren't held hostage to the profits of oil companies or the sabotage of foreign oil fields. John Kerry believes in the constitutional freedoms that have made our country the envy of the world, and he will never sacrifice our basic liberties nor use faith as a wedge to divide us. And John Kerry believes that in a dangerous world, war must be an option, but it should never he the first option.
A while back, I met a young man named Shamus at the VFW Hall in East Moline, Illinois. He was a good-looking kid, six-two or six-three, clear-eyed, with an easy smile. He told me he'd joined the Marines and was heading to Iraq the following week. As I listened to him explain why he'd enlisted, his absolute faith in our country and its leaders, his devotion to duty and service, I thought this young man was all any of us might hope for in a child. But then I asked myself: Are we serving Shamus as well as he was serving us? I thought of more than 900 service men and women, sons and daughters, husbands and wives, friends and neighbors, who will not be returning to their hometowns. I thought of families I had met who were struggling to get by without a loved one's full income, or whose loved ones had returned with a limb missing or with nerves shattered, but who still lacked long-term health benefits because they were reservists. When we send our young men and women into harm's way, we have a solemn obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they're going, to care for their families while they're gone, to tend to the soldiers upon their return, and to never ever go to war without enough troops to win the war, secure the peace, and earn the respect of the world.
Now let me be clear. We have real enemies in the world. These enemies must be found. They must be pursued and they must be defeated. John Kerry knows this. And just as Lieutenant Kerry did not hesitate to risk his life to protect the men who served with him in Vietnam, President Kerry will not hesitate one moment to use our military might to keep America safe and secure. John Kerry believes in America. And he knows it's not enough for just some of us to prosper. For alongside our famous individualism, there's another ingredient in the American saga.
A belief that we are connected as one people. If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief ? I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper ? that makes this country work. It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come together as a single American family. "E pluribus unum." Out of many, one.
Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America there's the United States of America. There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice ou
Flying Junior Added Jun 27, 2018 - 3:33am
You may cast your lot with whomsoever you desire.  I stand with BHO.  (continued)
 
The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.
In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a politics of cynicism or a politics of hope? John Kerry calls on us to hope. John Edwards calls on us to hope. I'm not talking about blind optimism here ? the almost willful ignorance that thinks unemployment will go away if we just don't talk about it, or the health care crisis will solve itself if we just ignore it. No, I'm talking about something more substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom songs; the hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores; the hope of a young naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta; the hope of a millworker's son who dares to defy the odds; the hope of a skinny kid with a funny name who believes that America has a place for him, too. The audacity of hope!
In the end, that is God's greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this nation; the belief in things not seen; the belief that there are better days ahead. I believe we can give our middle class relief and provide working families with a road to opportunity. I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the homeless, and reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and despair. I believe that as we stand on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices, and meet the challenges that face us. America!
Tonight, if you feel the same energy I do, the same urgency I do, the same passion I do, the same hopefulness I do ? if we do what we must do, then I have no doubt that all across the country, from Florida to Oregon, from Washington to Maine, the people will rise up in November, and John Kerry will be sworn in as president, and John Edwards will be sworn in as vice president, and this country will reclaim its promise, and out of this long political darkness a brighter day will come. Thank you and God bless you.
 
Luther Wu Added Jun 27, 2018 - 4:01am
Jeffrey Kelly said: "Trump came along and tapped into the nativist, racist, frightened core that exists and wound up in the White House".
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Might you reveal anything to yourself, or others, if you were to call them "deplorables" instead? After all, that word was so famously deployed to gratify the same parlor pink elites from whom "nativist, racist" rolls from their every potted tongue in every nodding, me- too- and- especially- me head in every tony enclave in America. However much evidence might be argued to exist in the  "nativist, racist, frightened" descriptor, or even "deplorables", the terms are nevertheless, profoundly wrong.
 
You so aptly quoted Whitaker Chambers, but Chambers left more twine to mark his route deeper into that dark labyrinth. Further on, strained eyes fall on sharp realizations of both the subterfuge of the promulgators of the ideas behind those words and the conceit and resultant fallacious self- deception of those who wave them as a banner.
The elites who we see pulling strings have no idea that they too, are marionettes.
Those seekers of the ultimate subjugation of the masses, will not win this one, but those jackals will never stop trying.
 
It's going to be a long, hot Summer.
Flying Junior Added Jun 27, 2018 - 4:03am
Luther,
 
Take on my premise that the culture wars have been driven by the RW for almost fifty years.  Show me how sadly mistaken I am.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jun 27, 2018 - 4:43am
Nobody ever tried harder to mend the deepening divide than did our wonderful Barack Hussein Obama.
 
Nothing but the braying of an old deluded fool.
 
Luther Wu Added Jun 27, 2018 - 5:04am
Flying Junior,
I'm providing a link to a larger excerpt of "Witness", than was given previously by Jeffrey Kelly.
 
Take your time. Let it sink in. It will probably make you mad. The reason you will get mad is that it will make you think. 
Be advised, it can crack open the world.
Meet Shiva...
 
https://disruptthenarrative.wordpress.com/tag/communists/
Luther Wu Added Jun 27, 2018 - 5:29am
All apologies,
I mis- attributed (twice) the excerpt from "Witness", to Jeffrey Kelly, when in fact, it was Thomas Sutrina who encapsulated the text at 8:50pm.
 
I apologize to both gentlemen and the readership for my mistake.
opher goodwin Added Jun 27, 2018 - 7:39am
Expat - I agree. There is no compromise. People are tribal, emotional and busy stereotyping and haranguing each other. Intelligence has gone out of the window!!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 27, 2018 - 8:35am
@Luther Wu:
Thanks for clarifying, I was confused.
 
Back to what was addressed to me:
 
”Might you reveal anything to yourself, or others, if you were to call them "deplorables" instead?”
 
I never liked the term “deplorables.”  My opinion but Clinton made a mistake using the term.  It simply lumped Trump supporters with those Nazi jackasses who started following Trump around like smitten groupies.
 
 
“After all, that word was so famously deployed to gratify the same parlor pink elites from whom "nativist, racist" rolls from their every potted tongue in every nodding, me- too- and- especially- me head in every tony enclave in America. However much evidence might be argued to exist in the  "nativist, racist, frightened" descriptor, or even "deplorables", the terms are nevertheless, profoundly wrong.”
 
How else to describe rabid Trump supporters?
 
When I listen to them that is what I hear.  Not everyone that voted for Trump is that way.  Many voted for him because he wound up as the Republican candidate, my brother was one.  But even he is taken back by the anger that people are expressing now.  
Luther Wu Added Jun 27, 2018 - 11:47am
Jeffrey Kelly,
 I would have spoken to you in a different way, had I realized that Thomas had included the passage from Whittaker Chambers' book and not you. Again, that added to much confusion.
 
For you to answer some of your own questions and mine, the link I gave to Flying Junior would be most helpful, were you to follow it and read what you found there, then read what I wrote, earlier.
 
"Nazi jackasses"... "smitten groupies"... "How else to describe rabid Trump supporters"?
 
On the other hand, maybe it wouldn't help.
"When I listen to them..." You've listened to them?
Eric Reports Added Jun 27, 2018 - 1:04pm
The past always looks better.  That isn't always the case.  With Trump as President, instead of the foreigner, things are getting better.
Luther Wu Added Jun 27, 2018 - 3:23pm
I made the following statement as comment on a blog article, in another venue.
It makes my position quite clear, regarding some of what has been said in comments to this article, so it is repeated, here.
 
"President Trump is in league with and the natural leader of the honest core of this nation who understand the implications of our Constitution and the place our Republic has as the beacon of Liberty to the world.
President Trump is where he is because we are who we are."
 
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 6:34pm
Aaron Johnson.
So how do the political dynamics work in Thailand that make it so much more appealing than the U.S.?     
 
Its not the political dynamics Aaron, it is the attitude of the officials! Thailand is a Monarchy run by a Military Junta. Politically, by Western standards, it is a mess.
But functionally, I have more personal freedom, than a western man can imagine! The attitude is: Do your own thing, just as long as you do not hurt others!
When you do screw up and hurt someone, the usual result is for the issue to be settled face to face at the police station. i.e. If I damaged your vehicle, we can agree on a price, I pay you, and we both walk way.                                   
This is a Buddhist society, but every religion is found here. It is  conservative, but prostitution is tolerated. Heavy drinking is frowned upon, but bars are everywhere.
The bottom line is that the people DO NOT try to force their moral code on others.
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 6:44pm
Flying Junior.
Your oversimplification of complex issues, is typical of the average voter. The emotional sympathetic, to the left, and the pragmatic, comprehensive to the right.
That is why Government by the people does not work! Both sides want to impose their will on the other, and none are tolerant enough to compromise.
Democracy is the dictatorship of the majority, and both sides go to extremes to impose their will on others.
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 6:52pm
Final comment.  Nobody ever tried harder to mend the deepening divide than did our wonderful Barack Hussein Obama.
 
Total delusion! He began his reign by telling the Republicans that Elections had consequences, and announced to the world, he was going to fundamentally change America. He began with his apology tour, and ended with bribery and extortion. His lies are still being discovered, the most egregious being on Ben Ghazi. It was all a misunderstanding of a Film.
Flying Junior Added Jun 27, 2018 - 6:56pm
Thank you Luther for that eloquent defense of a traditional conservative view.  We on the left tend to distrust the motives of RW extremists.  I had listened to an interview with Brian Lehrer discussing the roots of the now-raging culture wars.  I decided to trace the timeline in my own words.  By the time I got to the ill treatment of BHO particularly at the hands of birther myth conspiracy king himself, I was seeing quite red.
 
It was a pretty good flame-out all in all.   My apologies to the host.
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 6:59pm
FJ> B. Hussein Obama. The Bastard son of an African Revolutionary, born in Kenya, to a white Liberal whore. She was the fourth wife of a Muslim radical from the ANC. He only married her for a green card, after  B. Hussein was born.
YES. This description is over the top, but equals your adoration for a light skinned, well spoken negro fraud!
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 7:06pm
Luther Wu.
Spot on comments. But don't expect FJ to change even the most minute facet of his love of Obama. He has embraced the fictional fairy tale of this African Muslim, sham artist,  who posed as an American Black man, without experiencing what it is to BE an American Black Man.
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 7:10pm
Eric reports.
The past doesn't always look better! Memories of our past failures haunt our every attempt to better ourselves.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jun 27, 2018 - 7:41pm
But functionally, I have more personal freedom, than a western man can imagine!
 
Or many can handle.
 
James Travil Added Jun 27, 2018 - 7:51pm
Let's not forget that Obama, rather than undoing GW Bush's wars of aggression and draconian police state policies as he promised, he instead continued and expanded them! He also started the cowardly illegal drone murder program, and armed terrorists in Syria ( Ben Rhodes Admits Obama Armed Jihadists In Syria In Bombshell Interview - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49714.htm )
Not great, not even good! 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jun 27, 2018 - 8:54pm
Not great, not even good! 
 
Were it not for Barry Soetero GWB would still be the worst POTUS ever. 
 
wsucram15 Added Jun 27, 2018 - 9:39pm
Expat and Thomas..I know about change..I wrote about these changes years ago, especially Amazon.
But that doesnt mean you cannot appreciate your town and its heritage.
Now for politics...I agree with Jeffrey Kelley...and it is sad that he had to come to that assessment. 
We are that out of control.
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 10:15pm
Flying Junior
THE REAL OBAMA STORY
 
https://www.npr.org/2011/07/11/137553552/president-obamas-father-a-bold-and-reckless-life
EXPAT Added Jun 27, 2018 - 10:19pm
The president last saw his father when he was 10, when Obama Sr. made a brief visit to Hawaii from Kenya, where he moved when the future president was just a toddler.
BuPresident Obama is the son of a white American mother and a black Kenyan father who met at the University of Hawaii in 1960.t what was Barack Obama Sr. really like? Biographer Sally H. Jacobs takes an in-depth look at his life — and his legacy — in The Other Barack: The Bold and Reckless Life of President Obama's Father.
he Childhood Of Barack Obama Sr.
Jacobs tells Fresh Air's Dave Davies that the president's father grew up in an extremely strict household. His father, Onyango, who later changed his name to Hussein, regularly beat his wives and children with a four-pronged whip. He also forced his children to recite long lists of memorized facts before their meals.
"Barack Obama Sr. would have to recite his math tables while standing at the table before he could have any food," Jacobs says. "[Math] was a relatively new concept for Onyango ... and he wanted his son to have this skill."
And when Obama Sr. later went to the village school, he was immediately recognized for his strong math abilities.
"A principal described him to me as the smartest boy in the school," says Jacobs. "He was particularly good at math, even then. That would become his trademark and he would go on to become an economist, but even as a boy he excelled with numbers."
In 1959, Obama Sr. went to study at the University of Hawaii, Manoa, in Honolulu, where he stood out for his fastidious dressing habits, his forays into public speaking and his fabulous dancing skills.






"A woman who had known him in Hawaii told me of how she ... would go down to some of the famous nightclubs with him and start to dance," says Jacobs. "And everybody would watch because he was so beautiful on the floor — and also because he was a black man. Blacks were very few in number in Honolulu and he was the first African student at the University of Hawaii."
Meeting Stanley Ann Dunham
A year after Obama Sr. enrolled at the university, he met Stanley Ann Dunham, a 17-year-old from Kansas who was studying Russian.
"Both of them were quite taken with each other," says Jacobs. "This relationship picked up speed pretty quickly. The president describes it in his own memoir [Dreams from My Father] of how drawn they were to each other. [And] in a fairly short time, she becomes pregnant."
Obama Sr. told Dunham that he had divorced Kezia Aoko, his wife in Africa, but that wasn't true. He also did not reveal that he had had two children with Aoko, who, like Obama Sr., was a member of the Luo ethnic group.


If Obama the president had had [Barack Obama Sr.] as a father, I think it's fair to say that he wouldn't be the president.
Biographer Sally H. Jacobs

"The thing you have to understand about this is that it was deeply rooted in Luo culture," says Jacobs. "Divorce wasn't common. You could get a divorce but you had to go through a very complex process which involved the couple sitting before a council of elders and then there had to be a return of the dowry."
Later on, Obama Sr. told immigration officials that he thought of himself as divorced in Kenya before he arrived in the United States. Jacobs says that Obama Sr.'s immigration files also show that Obama Sr. and Dunham may have considered putting President Obama up for adoption before he was born.
"I [made a Freedom of Information Act request for] his immigration file because I wanted to confirm the date he arrived in the United States," she says. "In this record, there was an extraordinary memo in which the foreign student adviser at the University of Hawaii has ... realized [Obama Sr.] might have two wives."


Flying Junior Added Jun 28, 2018 - 3:21am
Obama was born to an American woman with a Kenyan husband in Hawaii after it had already become the fiftieth State of the Union.
 
You are making the case that the President was born of a different mother?
 
I think that it would be extremely difficult to prove that BHO was any other baby than that of his father and Ms. Dunham after they met at the University of Hawaii.
 
He was born in August of 1961.  We're talking December's Boudoir.  Christmas romance.  I should know.  I was born August 9th.  The fucking occurred in December.
 
This is a classic case of desperate willful ignorance.  Believe what you will.  I'm not sure the the monster was aware of this latest attempt at justification of your laughable premise when he spearheaded the effort to discredit the Obama presidency.
 
It pains me that you would print this disinformation.
Flying Junior Added Jun 28, 2018 - 3:32am
Are you trying to say that BHO was a bastard because his father was not divorced at the time of his birth?
 
Shame on you.  It wouldn't make any difference if he had been born a bastard.  Yet the fact remains that his parents were legally married in Hawaii.
 
Your desperate attempts to justify the actions of the monster and his sycophants speak volumes.
James Travil Added Jun 28, 2018 - 3:43am
I almost forgot to add that in addition to furthering the neocon wars of aggression of GW Bush, arming Al Qaeda and ISIS terrorists in Syria (and I have more on that as well if anyone wants to hear) the monster fiend Obama also backed the illegal coup in Ukraine in 2014 which installed Neo-Nazis into power (The Neo-Nazi Question in Ukraine | HuffPost - https://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747.html)
How exactly is Trump worse than this? 
Flying Junior Added Jun 28, 2018 - 3:48am
The discussion was about the left-right divide.  I tried to make sense of it all with a history of the raging culture wars over the last fifty years.  I pointed out that trump was a birther conspiracist supreme.  EXPAT backed up the ridiculous notion that Obama was not eligible from birth to be president.
 
Nobody was talking about who was better or worse that I noticed.
EXPAT Added Jun 28, 2018 - 6:27am
FJ. Did you notice that the rebuttal to the Obama fairytale you published came from NPR, not me. Perhaps you should read the book they reviewed, before you criticize/dispute their account!
P.S. The marriage was not legal as O sr. was already married. That makes  O junior a bastard by definition, and his mother a whore for fucking a married man..
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jun 28, 2018 - 7:50am
his mother a whore for fucking a married man..
 
His mother was a whore in the employ of the CIA. A so-called "honeypot". 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 28, 2018 - 8:27am
@Luther Wu:
"When I listen to them..." You've listened to them?”
 
Yes I have.  A lot of what I hear frightens me because so much of what they say is filled with so much anger.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 28, 2018 - 8:31am
@Eric Roberts:
”The past always looks better.  That isn't always the case.  With Trump as President, instead of the foreigner, things are getting better.”
 
They are?  Eric, foreigners can’t be president.
Luther Wu Added Jun 28, 2018 - 2:06pm
@Jeffrey Kelly,
What selective ears you have, to blame Republicans...
 
You hear them verified over 12,000 times calling for POTUS assassination?
You hear their Congressmen calling for intimidation and assault wherever they may be found?
You hear them making physical threats of arson and other property crimes?
You hear their newspaper editors calling for assassination in the White House?
You hear them cheering when a Congressman is actually gunned down and then rationalize it and call for more?
You hear them calling the opposition "fascist" and Nazi on a continuous basis, while acting exactly like Brownshirts?
You hear their courts rationalizing violent attacks against the opposition and packing their courtrooms with chanting intimidating crowds, threatening jurors?
You hear them threatening to burn down and or bomb the White House?
You hear teachers acting out Trump assassination in the classroom?
You hear calls to kidnap and sexually assault Trump's children?
You hear them making threats to kidnap and rape Melania?
You hear their Senators call for police forces to withdraw all protection for Trump motorcades, etc?
You hear their Police departments ordered to stand down when violence is being perpetrated against Trump supporters?
You hear the vicious hate speech from their celebrities?
You hear them doxing supporters and calling for violence against them and their property?
 
I could go on and on!
You hear those things and blame it all on Republicans?
You can avert your own ears from what's happening and blame the other side, but do you think lying to yourself will serve you well?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 28, 2018 - 2:44pm
@Luther Wu:
 
Do I need to dredge up the right’s dirty laundry for you?
 
Those that advocate violence and say nasty things about Melania or Barron get no sympathy from me.  I personally think the Anitifa is wrong on their tactics.
 
BTW when those things you describe happen, say Kathy Griffin behaving like an ass, it is quickly condemned by others on the left.  That includes me.
 
 
Luther Wu Added Jun 28, 2018 - 3:55pm
One thing's for certain, we've never seen anything from the right, approaching what we see daily, from the left and the left has a long history of such things, all the way through last century, where Leftist governments were responsible for the deaths of over 100 million of their own people. When I hear modern leftists talking about how they are frightened by the anger of the right, well the left deserves that enmity and earns more of it every day.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 28, 2018 - 4:24pm
@Luther Wu:
”where Leftist governments were responsible for the deaths of over 100 million of their own people.”
 
I always find that interesting, the thing, the 100 million figure.  How do you come up with that?
 
 
“When I hear modern leftists talking about how they are frightened by the anger of the right, well the left deserves that enmity and earns more of it every day.”
 
Well, considering that Right-Wing governments started both of the world wars last century I say we are even.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 28, 2018 - 4:26pm
Right-Wing Governments just start wars to murder millions, the left keeps it in-home.
Luther Wu Added Jun 28, 2018 - 5:36pm
National Socialist Worker's Party...
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 28, 2018 - 6:39pm
Right-wing....
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 28, 2018 - 6:40pm
I guess I really need to finish that article on National Socialism.  
EXPAT Added Jun 28, 2018 - 9:26pm
Jeffry Gilbert.
His mother was a whore in the employ of the CIA. A so-called "honeypot". 
 
I have known women with no apparent source of income, who travel the world, and sleep with the most vile men imaginable.
Do you have a citation to share on your honeypot assertion?
The women I have known, and suspected of being honeypots, were all Chinese or Russian. But it would be naïve to think USA doesn't do same!
EXPAT Added Jun 28, 2018 - 9:36pm
Jeffry Kelly.
What do you think is a Right Wing? Is Trump a right wing, or are the Never Trump Republicans a right wing? Was the Tea Party a right wing, or was Jeb Bush a right wing? Was the National Socialist, Adolph Hitler a right wing, or was Ernst Röhm · ‎Strasserism · ‎Gregor Strasser · ‎Victims of the Night of the Long, whom he had murdered, right wing.
Are Antifa fascists right wing or left wing, or just chicken wing?
I suspect that ANYONE who disagrees with you are RIGHT WING to you! 
EXPAT Added Jun 28, 2018 - 9:45pm
JK.
Right-Wing Governments just start wars to murder millions, the left keeps it in-home.
HA HA HA. So Stalin and Mao, were right wingers!
 
Stalin invaded Poland in violation of the non aggression pact he signed with Germany to start WWII, China invaded Korea to intensify Korean war.
 
 
Flying Junior Added Jun 28, 2018 - 11:19pm
From the looks of this thread, the culture wars are raging as never before.  The divide is that between Lazarus and the Rich Man in Hades.  Lake of Fire.
 
I wish it was nothing more than a political and ideological struggle.  The lovely conservatives with their work ethic, business know-how and chambers of commerce.  The true providers of the golden goose.  Wall Street.  Philanthropists and the founders and benefactors of hospitals, universities and public works.  Needing them just as much as they, as a class, need us; the people, the unions, the muscle and sheer genius of the working class, academia and the professions.  The caring feminine side of politics; the bleeding heart liberals and their love for the down-trodden; working together even today for common solutions to problems that we face and share as a society as we have so successfully for so many long years, decades and centuries.  Most of us still feel that way. 
 
As ridiculous as the national political scene is, we cannot simply ignore it and hope that it will heal itself when we give it adequate care.  Yet as a confederation of States, the picture really does not look that bad.  Texas is okay.  New York is okay.  So many progressive States are doing the right things to move forward into a bright future.  It doesn't work unless republicans and democrats work together.  I have had the occasion to admire republican politicians on the municipal and state level for many decades.  Arnold Schwarzeneggar, for all of his foibles as a governor; had the sense to do away with the car tax, (since re-enacted by the democratic super-majority,) and a very keen understanding of global warming particularly with respect to public policy.  Mayor Jerry Sanders, the former Chief of Police of San Diego took the helm of a city deeply in debt with a classic pension crisis and moved us forward to prosperity.  He had to cut library hours which I am sure pained him deeply.  He worked with the City Council to guide our fair city out of crisis.  I will never forget Mayor Sanders' passionate defense of same sex couples which was an enormous political risk in the early days of this century.  He told his personal story as the father of a gay woman.  Beautiful republicans.  I kid you not.  Mayor Kevin Faulconer took over and like so many other effective leaders governed out of pure common sense.  Under his leadership, the City of San Diego has taken very real steps to deal with the exploding population of homeless citizens, tackled much-needed infrastructure including replacing century-old cast-iron water mains and road construction with private contractors who are working rapidly, efficiently and with visible quality and professionalism.  Library hours have been restored to pre-recession hours and even expanded.  Our library systems thrives and expands.  State projects are also moving quickly and successfully.  We are on-track to lose our super-majority, but that does not bother me.  Democrats were fairly merciful holding all top offices in the state.  Let's see some great republican leaders emerge.
 
No it's not the age-old arm wrestle to appeal to the voters.  I fear it is far, far worse.  It's raw emotion.  Red meat.  I'm sure that everyone here understands how dangerous that is.
 
I enjoyed learning the truth about my hero from EXPAT and Captain Gilbert.  Googoling that idea mainly leads to places like The American Thinker.  It did not escape me that you selected an article by NPR just for my benefit.  You're alright.  We're all Americans.  Even those from other nations care a great deal about the U.S. or they wouldn't be here.
 
God help us all or lol.  Take your pick.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jun 29, 2018 - 4:39am
@EXPAT. I once gave a 6ft 2in 11th-grade student a screwdriver to open a VCR.  As I circled and came back to him, he had not done anything. When I relayed the experience to my professor ( I was in teacher's college), he shocked me. He asked, "did you teach the student how to open the VCR?" I had not and made the assumption that that big boy should have know how to locate and turn a screw with a screwdriver.
 
Hence,  rather than bemoaning America's DIALECTICal challenge, would you contribute more by coming back and employing didactic to address the problem?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 29, 2018 - 7:12am
@EXPAT:
 
”Jeffry Kelly.


What do you think is a Right Wing? Is Trump a right wing,”
 
Yes.
 
or are the Never Trump Republicans a right wing? Was the Tea Party a right wing, or was Jeb Bush a right wing?”
 
Yes and yes.
 
“Was the National Socialist, Adolph Hitler a right wing,”
 
Yes.
 
“or was target="_blank">Ernst Röhm · ‎target="_blank">Strasserism · ‎target="_blank">Gregor Strasser· ‎target="_blank">Victims of the Night of the Long, whom he had murdered, right wing.”
 
No.  All parties have left and right wings.  Ernst Roehm and Gregor Strasser were on the left.  Hitler eliminated Roehm to rid the army of a perceived rival and because Roehm advocated social revolution.  He eliminated Strasser to rid himself of a political rival and for revenge.  Strasser was distinctly “left” because he honestly believed in the “Socialist” bit of National Socialism.
 
Now, some victims of the Night of the Long Knives were on the right, like former Chancellor Schleicher but for the most part Hitler eliminated the upper echelon of the SA.  The SA were mostly radical rowdies who were anti capitalist by nature.  Hitler no longer needed them and they were disruptive.
 
I’d leave the history stuff to me, EXPAT.

“Are Antifa fascists right wing or left wing,”
 
I consider them left wing.  I also strongly disagree with their tactics.
 
“or just chicken wing?”
 
That’s silly.
 

“I suspect that ANYONE who disagrees with you are RIGHT WING to you”
 
You would be wrong.  I disagree with many who I consider on the left.


 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 29, 2018 - 7:23am
@EXPAT:
”JK.
Right-Wing Governments just start wars to murder millions, the left keeps it in-home.
HA HA HA. So Stalin and Mao, were right wingers!”
 
They were authoritarian leaders who considered themselves Communists.  Unlike you I get subtle nuances like that.
 
“Stalin invaded Poland in violation of the non aggression pact he signed with Germany to start WWII,”
 
Wow.
No.  FFS, EXPAT, really, leave the history stuff to me.  You really just embarrassed yourself there.  Badly.  Like I just cringed reading that.
No, Hitler and Stalin cooperated in the invasion of Poland under the terms of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.  The two parties agreed to split Poland between them in exchange for Soviet neutrality.  Hitler got a free hand to deal with Poland and the West while Stalin received territory.  Hitler broke this pact when he invaded the USSR in 1941.  
Wow.
 
“China invaded Korea to intensify Korean war.”
 
At North Korea’s request and it never escalated into a World War.
EXPAT Added Jun 29, 2018 - 7:41am
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EXPAT Added Jun 29, 2018 - 8:08am
Jeffrey Kelly.
I was mocking your misuse of the term Conservative. You label all things negative, conservative and include anything or any one that disagrees with your delusion. But it went right over your head.
 
Then this Google head, arm chair historian, declares himself the authority on all things history. The signs of advanced Alzheimer's.
If you had clicked on the blue citation, you would have seen the info came directly from Wickipedia; I don't waste my time on trivia.
But being the historian you think you are, you attacked as if I wrote it.
Pathetic.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jun 29, 2018 - 8:36am
Right and left wing define the legislature seating after the French Revolution at the turn of century 1800.  Like thinking men sat together for protection.   
 
Jeffrey K. right and left wing by the above is RELATIVE.  So this is crap >>Well, considering that Right-Wing governments started both of the world wars last century I say we are even. >>  You flipped the definition of left and right to make what you want true. I am not sure where you or Expat stand since your mocking each other by filliping definitions.
 
Hitler, and the monarch or class controlled governments of Europe are on the left side when right defines elected government promotion, England and America.  Yet sometime 
 
Flying J.,  >> The caring feminine side of politics; the bleeding heart liberals and their love for the down-trodden; working together even today for common solutions to problems that we face and share as a society as we have so successfully for so many long years, decades and centuries.>> 
 
I agree spin that they tell us for decades and centuries make that benefactors.  When they are not in public the story is different.  This is still true today.  You can see the steady progress on FDR's 'Second Bill of Rights' 1944 State of the Union Speech.   "Chambers saw that even though the New Deal was not an overt socialist/communist ploy, it worked in tandem with that philosophy.  Few Dealers, most of whom would have never considered themselves either socialists or communists, were, due to their progressive policies, fellow-travelers. As Chambers explains, Thus men who sincerely abhorred the word Communism, in the pursuit of common ends found that they were unable to distinguish Communists from themselves, except that it was just the Communists who were likely to be most forthright and most dedicated in the common cause. . . . Every move against the Communists was felt by the liberals as a move against themselves. . . . The Communists were fully aware of their superior tactical position, and knew that they had only to shout their innocence and cry: “Witch hunt!” for the liberals to rally in all innocence to their defense.

Some things don’t change: we are still undergoing a revolution by bookkeeping and lawmaking, and we continue to hear the snarls of “witch hunt” whenever this revolution is challenged."  
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2010/05/22/whittaker-chambers-the-new-deal-as-revolution/
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 29, 2018 - 11:32am
@EXPAT:
”Jeffrey Kelly.
I was mocking your misuse of the term Conservative. You label all things negative, conservative and include anything or any one that disagrees with your delusion. But it went right over your head.”
 
No, that’s simply not the case.  There are parts of the conservative ideology that I agree with.  There are conservatives that I agree with.
EXPAT, the problem is you think you know me and can plant me inside a little box and wrap me up to your satisfaction.  People are more compilacated than that.
 
“Then this Google head, arm chair historian, declares himself the authority on all things history. The signs of advanced Alzheimer's.”
 
At least I know what the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was.  
God, the more I think of that the more it makes me smile.....

“If you had clicked on the blue citation, you would have seen the info came directly from Wickipedia; I don't waste my time on trivia.”
 
I don’t waste my time with Wikipedia.  I read actual books on the subject.  This is what makes me far, far, far more knowledgeable than you about this.  
 

“But being the historian you think you are,”
 
Not are.  Am.
 
“you attacked as if I wrote it.”
 
I made fun of you because you said something really stupid.  I’m still smiling BTW.
 

“Pathetic.”
 
IKR?  Pathetic to discuss things you know nothing about and looking like an ass.
Stone-Eater Added Jun 29, 2018 - 3:03pm
Expat
 
To your title: You can't go home again. For me, it's I don't want to go home again. Because I don't feel free in my home country. Probably never did. It's a police state. Not ruled by the police but by your neighbours watching you.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 29, 2018 - 6:35pm
@Thomas Sutrina:
”Hitler, and the monarch or class controlled governments of Europe are on the left side when right defines elected government promotion, England and America.“
 
Thomas, what are you talking about?
EXPAT Added Jun 29, 2018 - 9:15pm
Jeffrey Kelly.
It is impossible to reason with you, as only the left side of your brain is functioning. I refer to Morton's Demon as your filter mechanism.
 
Thank you for confirming that you have never done any historic research. All you know is what OTHERS have told you in books, social sites, and YouTube!
 
A REAL historian, since you don't know, goes to the site of his interest, he talks to local people who live there, and visits LOCAL museums, records centers, and local media. Newspapers keep records of actual articles of the time! And YES! I have done that twice, when writing travel pieces. One story was on Fort Taejon, the Camel post. And Another was on the California Missions. It is amazing what you can learn when you get your head out of Google, get off your ass, and go to where it happened!
 
I am finished with you, as you are useless for REAL information! I am not interested in your DELUSION about history, gleaned from Google.
 
 
EXPAT Added Jun 29, 2018 - 9:19pm
Stone.
I could say the exact same thing about America. It seems that both Nations want cookie cutter citizens. If a cookie is burnt, it gets thrown away.
 
EXPAT Added Jun 29, 2018 - 9:24pm
Thomas.
You too are repeating someone else's interpretation of events, so distant that real verification is impossible!
You are entitled to your opinion, but that is all it is; AN OPINION. Try not to be so sanctimonious.
EXPAT Added Jun 29, 2018 - 9:32pm
Dr. Green.
We are all limited in didactic knowledge by experience. By engaging in Dialectic, we can form conclusions on philosophical concepts such as politics.
When we engage in endeavors untried before, we need a plan of action to guide our effort. It may prove to be wrong, but it is the best we can do at the time.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 29, 2018 - 9:35pm
@EXPAT
”Jeffrey Kelly.
It is impossible to reason with you, as only the left side of your brain is functioning. I refer to Morton's Demon as your filter mechanism.”
 
Yet again, I still knew what the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was and you didn’t.
 
Christ that is still funny.  I haven’t stopped chuckling over that all day.
 
“Thank you for confirming that you have never done any historic research.”
 
LOL
I haven’t???????
I’ve dug through both primary and secondary sources, corresponded with actual historians.....all you did was randomly dredge up some stuff on Wikipedia and took the wrong conclusions from those entries.
 
“All you know is what OTHERS have told you in books, social sites, and YouTube!”
 
I’m offended by that.  I laugh off YouTube....well, I know how to separate the wheat from the chaff.  There’s some good stuff on YouTube.  You just need to know what to look for.
 
“A REAL historian, since you don't know, goes to the site of his interest, he talks to local people who live there, and visits LOCAL museums, records centers, and local media. Newspapers keep records of actual articles of the time! And YES! I have done that twice, when writing travel pieces. One story was on Fort Taejon, the Camel post. And Another was on the California Missions. It is amazing what you can learn when you get your head out of Google, get off your ass, and go to where it happened!”
 
You mean like travel to historic Civil War sites, forts, local museums, the missions in Texas, the Alamo?  That sort of thing?
 
Been there.  Done that.
 
“I am finished with you, as you are useless for REAL information! I am not interested in your DELUSION about history, gleaned from Google.”
 
Yet I accurately portrayed who Roehm and Strasser were from my knowledge of the time period, I knew you completely screwed up who invaded who and I knew that North Korea essentially begged the Chinese to come save them.
 
Amazing what you can learn from something other Wikipedia, eh?
EXPAT Added Jun 29, 2018 - 9:38pm
P.S. I believe one of the problems we have today, is schools at all levels that have teachers limited in didactics. We have teachers, teaching politics, who have never been in politics. We have teachers who have been raisdin left wing philosophy, teaching left wing philosophy as FACT!
There is an old axiom: Those who can, DO! Those who can't, TEACH!
EXPAT Added Jun 29, 2018 - 9:45pm
Yet again, I still knew what the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was and you didn’t.
 
False dichotomy. I am a Political Scientist by degree.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 29, 2018 - 9:47pm
Yet for some reason you thought Stalin invaded Poland and broke a nonaggression pact with Hitler.
 
That still makes me laugh...
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 29, 2018 - 9:49pm
EXPAT:


Added Jun 28, 2018 - 9:45pm






JK.
Right-Wing Governments just start wars to murder millions, the left keeps it in-home.
HA HA HA. So Stalin and Mao, were right wingers!
 
Stalin invaded Poland in violation of the non aggression pact he signed with Germany to start WWII, China invaded Korea to intensify Korean war.
 
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 29, 2018 - 9:49pm
You said it, not me.
EXPAT Added Jun 29, 2018 - 10:12pm
On 1 September 1939, the German invasion of its agreed upon portion of Poland started the Second World War.[5] On 17 September the Red Army invaded eastern Poland and occupied the Polish territory assigned to it by the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, followed by co-ordination with German forces in Poland.[30][31] Eleven days later, the secret protocol of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was modified, allotting Germany a larger part of Poland, while ceding most of Lithuania to the Soviet Union.[32] The Soviet portions lay east of the so-called Curzon Line, an ethnographic frontier between Russia and Poland drawn up by a commission of the Paris Peace Conference in 1919.[33]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_World_War_II
EXPAT Added Jun 29, 2018 - 10:14pm
No more of this crap! You can have any interpretation of history you like! I don't give a shit!
Go write your own article, so I can ignore you!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jun 29, 2018 - 10:29pm
Your Wikipedia article essentially said the same thing I did.  I just said it more succinctly.
 
That’s funny.  You keep shooting yourself in the foot.
 
OK, then.  Thanks for the laugh, EXPAT.  Considering all the crazy shit going on lately I needed it.  You stay strong with your Wikipedia.
 
LOL
EXPAT Added Jun 30, 2018 - 9:45pm
There are two types of Liar. Those who promote ideas they know are false, and those who deny the truth to promote ideology.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 2, 2018 - 7:31pm
Title of the article was answer to your own statement.  It's absolutely okay you can't "go home."  Nobody wants you here anyway.
EXPAT Added Jul 3, 2018 - 8:02pm
 
Jeffry Kelly.
I deleted your last comment calling me a dumbass. That drives you crazy laughing boy, so I expect a tirade of stupid insults, which I also will delete.
I hate the word ad hominem, I prefer simple English, for simple people!
EXPAT Added Jul 3, 2018 - 8:11pm
JK.
You know humor! First you deride me for citing Wikipedia, then you claim they said the same thing as you!
 
Your Wikipedia article essentially said the same thing I did.  I just said it more succinctly.
 
That’s funny.  You keep shooting yourself in the foot.
 
OK, then.  Thanks for the laugh, EXPAT.  Considering all the crazy shit going on lately I needed it.  You stay strong with your Wikipedia.
 
LOL
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 6, 2018 - 12:20am
Only cowards delete comments, EXPAT.  I have a very strict “no delete” policy.  I didn’t even delete the post you made on one of my articles that was nothing more than insulting me.
 
Wikipedia is a decent source for people like you.  I shy away from it.  I’m not sure exactly how many articles or books I’ve read about Soviet-German relations before WW II.  Suffice to say I forgot more about this than you know.
 
Enjoy Wikipedia.
EXPAT Added Jul 6, 2018 - 4:43am
 
JK. When you are proven wrong, you always consider it an insult.
You can't remember how many books or articles you read, because the meaning escaped you, and you cling to those phrases that support your ideology!
COMPREHENSION is more important than quantity!
Your delusions of grandeur is obvious.
EXPAT Added Jul 6, 2018 - 4:44am
Delusion of Grandeur | Encyclopedia of Psychology - Psych Central


https://psychcentral.com/encyclopedia/delusion-of-grandeur/
EXPAT Added Jul 6, 2018 - 4:48am
Delusion of Grandeur | Encyclopedia of Psychology - Psych Central
https://psychcentral.com/encyclopedia/delusion-of-grandeur/
delusion of grandeur is the fixed, false belief that one possesses superior qualities such as genius, fame, omnipotence, or wealth. It is most often a symptom of schizophrenia, but can also be a symptom found in psychotic or bipolar disorders, as well as dementia (such as Alzheimer's).
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 6, 2018 - 7:51am
I’m wrong and yet you were the one who said this:
EXPAT:


Added Jun 28, 2018 - 9:45pm






JK.
Right-Wing Governments just start wars to murder millions, the left keeps it in-home.
HA HA HA. So Stalin and Mao, were right wingers!
 
Stalin invaded Poland in violation of the non aggression pact he signed with Germany to start WWII, China invaded Korea to intensify Korean war.
 
 
That is still funny, BTW.
EXPAT Added Jul 7, 2018 - 12:20am
Laughter is the defense of the psychotic! Mental institutions were called Laughing Academy. I provided you with documentation, but you just keep laughing!
EXPAT Added Jul 7, 2018 - 5:16am
As I said earlier, that paragraph you are so fond of repeating was to mock your misuse of political labels, i.e. Right and Left wing! But you try to make it a literal history lesson, laughing boy!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 7, 2018 - 11:39am
It’s this EXPAT:
”Stalin invaded Poland in violation of the non aggression pact he signed with Germany to start WWII,”
 
I actually have that as a signature on a Forum I belong to.  When I need a break during the day I pull it up so I can laugh.
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 7, 2018 - 11:42am
I also saved your original comment so I can cherish it forever.
EXPAT Added Jul 8, 2018 - 11:43pm
Small minds are amused by small things.
 
First of all. Soviet Union did start World War II - together with Germany. World War II started with German invasion of Poland in September 1939, only a week after the target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was signed between SU and Nazi Germany. With that SU gave a green light to German invasion and Germany promised half a Poland, Baltics, Finland and Bessarabia to SU in return. It is highly improbable that Hitler would have dared to invade Poland without that agreement as he would have risked 2-front war. After that event SU and Germany acted as close allies until June 1941, i.e. nearly 2 years. target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">The Devils' Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941: Roger Moorhouse: 9780465030750: Amazon.com: Books would be a good overview of the mechanics of this alliance, target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin: Timothy Snyder: 9780465031474: Amazon.com: Books
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 8, 2018 - 11:54pm
No, EXPAT, USSR’s joint invasion didn’t start WW II.  Britain and France declared war on Germany but not on the USSR.  The USSR didn’t invade Poland until two weeks after their declaration of war.  
 
Technically the USSR was neutral until Germany invaded them in June 1941 though as you googled and found out the two cooperated closely together until the relationship started to crack apart in the Fall of 1940/Winter/Spring of 1941.
 
I own Bloodlands.  It is a very good
book.  Are you randomly googling stuff to cover yourself?  If so google “WW II Behind Closed Doors” by Lawrence Rees.  It is a very good book to Google and I think Wikipedia even summarizes it for you.  That puts it right up your alley.
EXPAT Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:01am
You really are thick headed. WWII started in 1939, not 1941. Did you even read the citations mr. history.
EXPAT Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:03am
My comment was summarized to allow for your short attention span!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 11, 2018 - 2:51pm
Oh, FFS, EXPAT.  Germany invaded Poland on September 1st, 1939.  France and Great Britain declared war on Germany on September 3rd, 1939.  The USSR invaded Poland on September 17th, 1939.  France and Great Britain didn’t declare war on the USSR.  After Germany and the USSR divided up Poland the USSR resumed it’s neutrality.  Later they did invade Finland but that was only between the USSR and Finland.  
 
The USSR didn’t become an ally until Germany invaded them in June of 1941. So for the USSR the war didn’t start until Germany invaded them.
EXPAT Added Jul 12, 2018 - 4:31am
It was a long struggle, but you finally got it!
"France and Great Britain didn’t declare war on the USSR. "
What a history genius you are!