Christians [best] ignore national matters

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Christians [best] ignore national matters; and "not be involved with them in any way, not even by writing about them". For they're dead "wrong to want the United States to 'reflect Christian morality and beliefs [or, for that matter] any [other] morality and beliefs ... [not even] amoral[ity; and] that all people, including officials of the American government, should conduct themselves according to Christian principles of justice and righteousness". Such Christians, see, are spiritually unstable for believing outside belief, and so playing with the false belief, that the "Founding Fathers and social reformers who were not Christians ... have appealed to [Christ-centered gospels, epistles and revelation] as an authority.


(1) "Our justice system deal with [me always, always, always] without [Christ-centered] morality"!


(2) "When a president makes decisions about war and peace, [I do] prefer that he do so without [Christ-centered] morality"!


(3) "What the prophets of the Old Testament preferred" could only be "morality" as predetermined by the so-called Law of Moses, for they remained clueless as to "[Christ-centered] morality" until He came!


(4) It was only in the name of "morality" according to the Law of Moses - but never according to the Grace of God in THE Christ Jesus of the gospels, epistles and revelation - did "any of them [OT prophets] condemn the rulers of foreign nations for their immoral conduct"! (Not so, however, in the case of NT prophets, whose situation vis-a-vis the Christ Jesus, have radically changed.)


Ryan Messano Added Jul 2, 2018 - 9:15am
Study the Founders of America, simpleton.  They were all Christian.
Dino Manalis Added Jul 2, 2018 - 9:27am
 Christianity is America's foundation and should be taken into consideration, but policymakers need to avoid extremes when making policy decisions.  Religion is part of us, but not the central matter of concern for policymakers.
Bill Kamps Added Jul 2, 2018 - 4:44pm
History is a difficult thing to ignore.  HpO.  While the US is not strictly as Christian country as some countries are run by Sharia Law, its roots are very much Christian as Ryan points out.  The roots of its law, are also very  much English.  These things are not going away.  That doesnt mean there isnt room for other religions or cultures, it just means it is difficult to stray very far from one's roots. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Jul 2, 2018 - 9:00pm
Dear Ryan---Some of the FFofA were not Christians. Thomas Paine was a FFofA, he was diehard fanatic Atheist. It was his book Commmonsense that really fueled the American revolution. You can't deny that. Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian. He may have been a deist but he did NOT believe in the Trinity!  He had Masonic and Rosicrusian texts in his library. Just under half of the FFofA were Masons. Benjamin Franklin was a Mason. George Washington went to Anglican services---but refused to take communion--or left before communion. Washington was a Mason. American Protestantism is Gnostic. Not true Christianity---a very bastardized form, a very heretical form of mere Christianity. 
Almost all of the FFofA were sons of the Enlightenment. They hated the Old Order. Well, the Catholic Church is for the Old Order. Christianity doesn't preach opposites. It is either for the Old Order or the New Order but not both. It is a contradiction. The Enlightenment was an intellectual movement of atheists. Not a single orthodox catholic Christian was involved in the Enlightenment. America was never a Christian nation. The majority, the overwhelming majority was professing a type of heretical Christianity but the ruling classes were Deists or Masons or both. 
James Travil Added Jul 3, 2018 - 11:06pm
You beat me to it Lindsay. But lying Ryan isn't interested in the truth. He hates actually history because he is a fundamentalist historical revisionist nutjob. But thanks for setting the record straight nonetheless. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 3, 2018 - 11:20pm
Thank you for that, Lindsay.
Paine was the most extreme critic of the Bible of the Founders and we have had vast amounts of gross historical revisionism forced upon us by a corrupt media and school system.
Paine was severely censured by the other Founders later in life, and died a penniless drunk.
Jefferson had many good things to say about the Bible, and the myth that many Founders were Masons, was debunked convincingly in a book by David Barton. The only reason why such myths persist, is fewer than 90% of Americans have read just five biographies of the 204 Founders, and so they are naive and gullible, and easily led astray by YouTube and google disinformation designed to demoralize them by turning them against their own nation.  The first step of brainwashing is demoralization.  There is a great book on the topic written by a former KGB spy chief under Romania in the Cold War, named Ion Pacepa, callled “Disinformation”. 
The Puritans were not Gnostics.
George Whitefield, who was a prominent preacher in pre Revolutionary America, was no Gnostic. 
America was always a Christian nation, and the Founders who were worlds more better informed than the pathetic American male of the present, who generally wastes nine years of his life in front of he hellivision, and views porn and uses drugs, all three habits the Founders never had, quoted the Bible the most of all the books they quoted, and they knew a whole lot more books than we do.  
opher goodwin Added Jul 5, 2018 - 4:00pm
Spot on Lindsay. Perhaps the child needs to read about the founding fathers more closely. They were far removed from Christian.
opher goodwin Added Jul 5, 2018 - 4:01pm
A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest! Particularly if they are brainwashed to start with!
HpO Added Jul 9, 2018 - 7:22am
FYI, Ryan Messano: According to Cambridge University Dictionary, "gullible" means "easily deceived or tricked, and too willing to believe everything that other people say".
What my statements have declared here, however, isn't at all "everything that other people say". I defy and pity them, in fact, seeing as they, though the Spiritually Immoral Majority, and I, belonging to the justified minority in christendom, are fellow brothers and sisters in THE Christ Jesus of the gospels, epistles and revelation. As far as my God & Jesus are concerned, and I don't not care, it's the Spiritually Immoral Majority - Ryan Messano included, so woe to you, too - who has been "easily deceived or tricked, and too willing to believe everything that other people say"!
HpO Added Jul 9, 2018 - 7:12pm
If what Dino Manalis claims is true that "Christianity IS America's foundation", then I now challenge him to prove that THE Christ Jesus of the gospels, epistles and revelation "IS" the living "foundation" not only of said "Christianity", but also of that so-called "America's foundation". Dino won't be able to, though, I can tell you that right now.
HpO Added Jul 9, 2018 - 7:13pm
Bill Kamps' claim about "the US" that this "country['s] ... roots are very much Christian", is debunked by Jesus' claim about Himself in John 15:1-5, and also by His apostle Paul's claim about Jesus in Colossians 2:2-3, 6-7. For, on the one hand, since according to Jesus' claim, "[He is] the true vine ... and every branch that bears fruit ... cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine ... for apart from Him you can do nothing"; then Bill's claim that "[Jesus is] the true vine ... and every branch [in America] that bears fruit ... cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in [Jesus] ... for apart from Him [the US] can do nothing" - is nothing but a lie. On the other hand, if, according to apostle Paul's claim, the "true knowledge of God’s mystery is all about Christ Himself ... [and] you have received Christ Jesus the Lord by walking in Him, by being firmly rooted and built up in Him and established in your faith"; then Bill's claim that upon "the "true knowledge of God’s mystery is all about Christ Himself ... [America has] received Christ Jesus the Lord by walking in Him, by being firmly rooted and built up in Him and established in [her] faith" - is again nothing but a lie.
HpO Added Jul 9, 2018 - 7:42pm
No, William Stockton, "according to [my] logic", me & my fellow brothers and sisters in THE Christ Jesus of the gospels, epistles and revelation are to dismantle both our Christian Right Nationalism and our Christian Left Civil Religion; and to get back to pure evangelization of the world, in keeping with His instructions.
William Stockton Added Jul 9, 2018 - 7:42pm
I suppose then all religions are not allowed to have a political vote according to your logic . . . not just Christians.  That would be about 80% of the population. 
Good luck with your diabolical plans for an evil genius, democratically governed society!
TexasLynn Added Jul 10, 2018 - 2:30pm
"And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him." -- Colossians 3:17
So, for Christians, there is no separating our faith from "national matters" or "any matters" for that matter... we are to take our faith into account in "everything".
As for the nation, did the founding fathers run the gamut of beliefs and honor and failings?  Yep, they were human.  But there is little doubt this great nation was founded on the bedrock of Judeo-Christian principles.
HpO Added Jul 10, 2018 - 6:01pm
"This great [U.S.] nation was founded on the bedrock of Judeo-Christian principles", say you, TexasLynn? So "they [these Americans] were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ", then, according to 1 Corinthians 10:4? But "no man can lay a foundation other than the one which is laid, which is Jesus Christ", declares apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:11.