The Common Folks versus the ‘Libtards’.

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This is one war that very few talk about. However, you can see it being waged everyday.

You can see it in the posts and comments in WB and other social media. You can see it at family gatherings. You see it in the workplace. It is the polarizing of our society which is being crafted and perpetuated not by either side, but by the Elite.

 

Who are the Elite? They are the Billionaires in the world who want their descendants to stay Billionaires for generations to come, they are the royalty of our generation. Do they have a secret council who meet and decide the fate of the world? Are they the ‘Illuminati’ or other terms used? Maybe, but I think they are just behaving in a way which serves their interests and may cooperate from time to time in a subtle way, however it is very simple what they are trying to achieve, so they do not need big think tanks or clandestine gatherings. 

 

All the Elite have to do is keep the non-elite fighting and blaming one another for what they see as the problems of the world in general. They do this by making the common working people think that the bad people in the world are the intellectuals. The ‘libtards’ is a term used often by the working people to describe their adversaries. And the intellectuals keep calling the working people uninformed or stupid, and the fight is on.

 

The intellectuals and the common people have far more in common with one another than they do the Elites. Intellectuals are not rich, however most of the common working people think they are and that they are the same as the Elite. Yes, they make more income, but most are not even millionaires let alone Billionaires.

The Elite are successful and becoming more successful with this game. And social media platforms are making it even easier with the use of “bots” and hired trolls.

 

I think most of the bots are hired by Big Business to rile up the working people who feel ripped off that all they do is work and debt keeps piling up. (American Dream, make America great again and all that) The bots would tend to focus more on the "Fox news fans" and further rile them up by making them think that the immigrants and non-whites are keeping them from having the wealth they so deserve. Meanwhile what the Elite/Big Business types (talking Billionaires) are achieving is keeping the working class fighting with the intellectuals, and Big Business wins! Just look at the income gap widening over the last 20 years for proof that they are winning! Meanwhile the working class blames the intellectuals (Libtards and all that) for all the problems. Trump said he "loves the uneducated", and that is one thing he is not lying about.

Comments

Ryan Messano Added Jul 7, 2018 - 10:23am
What you and other liberals commonly miss, Stephen, and will never understand until you actually go read five biographies of the Founders and "The Federalist Papers" is our government was designed to be small, with a minimum of regulations and taxes.  Liberals have destroyed this idea, and keep dredging up Democrat sins of the past like slavery, segregation, and the mistreatment of Indians to justify Democrat sins of the present like abortion, homosexuality, porn, and contraception. 
 
Freedom and liberty are impossible for a people unless they have virtue, and virtue and wisdom, two essentials to America's success for 242 years, are words that are rarely in yours or any other liberals vocabulary.  It is not what you know that is so bad, it's that you know so much that isn't so and so little of what is essential. 
 
Trump, for all his flaws, has been one of the most conservative Presidents and most faithful to the Constitution in the last century.  But you, and tens of millions of other Americans don't realize this because you don't know much about the Constitution and even less of the men who wrote it.  So men like you are easy for the liberal 'elite' puppetmasters to lead astray.  Those who know little are easy to manipulate.  If you want to be enlightened, put away the liberal media, stop paying attention to the liberal demagogues, and use the God given intellect you've neglected for so long. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 7, 2018 - 10:30am
Ryan thanks for your thoughts. 
I am not interested in the constitution all that much, as it is a reflection of how things were 200 years ago. We have a ton of new information now, so while some of it does apply to humanity in general, and that is good but it does not reflect the reality of the NOW.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 7, 2018 - 10:46am
You add apathy and pride to being uninformed.  You'll never learn or get anywhere in life until you learn humility.  Pride has whipped you up a lot already, and it will keep wrecking you for the rest of your life. 
 
To bold facedly say you don't care about the foundation of your nation and to minimize it, while maximizing the worthless liberal drivel you constantly are influenced by is nonsense. 
 
There is nothing new under the sun.  Tech advances mean little, as Rome and Greece were the tech leaders of their day and are currently in ruins.  So, while you may be fascinated by the gadgetry, I certainly am not, and neither are others historically astute conservatives.  Human behavior has never changed in thousands of years, and it is very dangerous to not have any insight into it, which is the problem of the tens of millions of liberals. 
 
We are the only nation on earth founded upon the Judeo Christian concept, and our problems of the present are caused by our departure from the principles of the past, and our neglecting of the future. 
 
You shouldn't really be having an opinion on the Founders or the Constitution at all because you are woefully uninformed on it.  It's one thing if you studied it intensely and came to the conclusion it's not worthwhile, but you never did, and scoff and scorn at something that you know nothing of, a massive sign of your folly.
 
Logical Man Added Jul 7, 2018 - 10:52am
Ryan, are you capable of independent thought, or do you allow others to form your opinions.
The problem, as I see it, is that too many people do just that. They need leaders to tell them what to think and do. Unfortunately, those who blindly follow are easily led in ways which benefit the 'leaders' not the majority of humans. The problem for those who are critical thinkers is that they are surrounded by the followers, who are scared by them and are, both metaphorically and literally shouted down by the crowd.
Stephen, I bet there aren't many people out there who would try fixing up a 2018 Mustang using the manual from a 1963 model. Similarly, the US constitution. Something isn't correct or sacred just because it was written down a long time ago.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 7, 2018 - 11:14am
Stephen,
The "us-versus-them" mentality is just as prominent against the 0.01% as between the lower income folks and intellectuals.  I think the 0.01% are threatened, just like everyone else, because all the heretofore comfortable illusions are breaking down.  
 
However, all this fussing and fighting is engaging people like never before, something made possible by the internet.  Individuals do have a voice.  One by one, people seem to be learning how to express themselves, if they want any credibility.  The "intellectuals," as you term them, don't have much advantage on a truly democratic forum like the net, unless they can prove by their writing they deserve the label.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 7, 2018 - 11:25am
Illogical Woman:
Listen, dunce, don't ask me if I'm capable of independent thought when you are a mindless drone who has used God knows how many drugs, by your own admission, and I quote your own comment, verbatim.
 
I grew up in a similar situation, just a few years behind you.
I think what we didn't understand, because it was deliberately kept from us, was the power of bankers.
The bands I remember, many of which I was fortunate to see in concert, Gentle Giant, Wishbone Ash, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, The Groundhogs, Jethro Tull......  I think I may have grown up in the 'golden age; of music!
I discovered cannabis, psilocybin, LSD, amphetamines........
I learned to eat fire.
I rode fast motorcycles.
I lived to tell the tale!
I'm physically old now, but I think (hope?) there's still a young guy in my head.
 
You were too busy pursuing fun and pleasure, drugs, and music, and now you want to sniff at those of us who actually devoted our time to learning?  Now how it works, scorner. 
 
You old liberals hate us young conservatives because our very existence is a rebuke to your lost pasts.  We are what you should have been.  Now you are old and foolish, and despise the youth who will be wise in their golden years.  Very sad.
 
Your silly sentiments are nothing new.  You regurgitate the old argument between Socrates and the Sophists.  The dumb Sophists who destroyed Athens insisted that 'man was the measure' of all things, and ridiculed Socrates for using reason and absolute truths to evaluate events.
 
You see, unlike you, the Founders weren't looking at porn, using drugs, or watching hellivision.  Also unlike you, the Founders read prodigiously.  So unlike you, they were largely wise and virtuous, and you are an uninformed ignoramus.  While it is pleasing to your vanity to place yourself on their plane, you are a simpleton for doing so, as anyone who reads their writings and examines their accomplishments and reads and examines yours, sees you are an inferior and impudent imposter.   
Ryan Messano Added Jul 7, 2018 - 11:28am
The "intellectuals," as you term them, don't have much advantage on a truly democratic forum like the net, unless they can prove by their writing they deserve the label.
 
Well said, Katharine.  They are terrible afraid, as there are many conservatives without any academic credentials or government bureaucracy work whatsoever, who can run roughshod over the liberal "elite", and the liberal elite are angry, threatened, and outraged by this.  George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Carnegie were just three of the tens of millions of Americans who didn't need the blessings of academia to accomplish great things in life. 
Logical Man Added Jul 7, 2018 - 3:06pm
Ryan, what an arrogant so-and-so you are!
Spent last night studying string theory to get a better understanding of my place in the universe. I've studied physics all my life, in addition to many other subjects such as history, geology and chemistry. Learning, it's something I do with a passion.
I paint, do calligraphy and make longbows and associated archery equipment. I also do some animation and 3D modelling.
Hardly the activities of a simpleton.
As for television, I haven't owned one for over 20 years.
I'd hardly call myself a liberal. An atheist anarchist would be closer to the truth.
You criticize drug use and yet recent research seems to suggest that psilocybin, for one, has many beneficial effects, as do many of the compounds in cannabis.
Climb down off your high horse. You will get a different view of the world and, maybe, a better understanding of it.
Bill H. Added Jul 7, 2018 - 3:28pm
This is exactly what Trump wants and desires to completely establish his Authoritarian Dictatorship. Dividing the population is paramount to these type of regimes, and sadly many are falling right into his trap.
He requires a large support base that will support virtually anything he does, be it right or wrong. He will probably try to use them against his "enemies" for many purposes, all made to satisfy his ego and greed.
We have witnessed the results in past history, and we should have learned from it. If we continue to allow this to happen, our once great system will perish.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 7, 2018 - 3:46pm
“If you educate the mind and not the morals, you create a menace to society”
illogical man.  
 
“Ever learning and never coming to a knowledge of the truth”
 
THis is true of many liberals, they are worldly wise and common sense poor.  
 
Most of the liberals on WB and in the tech industry are quite the intellects, but when it comes to learning the lessons of the past and applying them, they are nowhere to be found.
 
”If you don’t know history, you don’t know anything at all.  You are like a leaf that doesn’t know its part of a tree”
Michael Crichton  
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 7, 2018 - 3:48pm
Bill, try learning “The Federalist Papers” and reading five biographies of the Founders.  Then you won’t stumble so badly at understanding Trumps conservative bent.  
Luther Wu Added Jul 7, 2018 - 4:41pm
Bill H.,
Let me ask you, if President Trump is the one trying to divide the people, then how do you explain this list which details nearly 200 acts of violence and hate against the President and his supporters?
 
I challenge you to find one tenth part of any such action by the President's supporters. You have your finger pointed in the wrong direction.
 
https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/
Logical Man Added Jul 7, 2018 - 5:13pm
Ryan, you insist on calling me illogical man.
Can you point out a lack of logic in my comments or do you just do so to try to elevate yourself?
History is one of the subjects I read the most, particularly, buy not exclusively, regarding the history of banking and finance.
You seem to be good at quoting others who's words fit with your own world view. Something to be careful of if you want to actually learn something new.
Reading the views of someone you don't agree with can often teach you more than reading stuff you agree with.
TexasLynn Added Jul 7, 2018 - 5:59pm
Stephen,
I read your post (and comments) gave it some thought, and…
 
On behalf of the “working people” I would like to respectfully decline your offer to team up and fight the elites.  Sorry, from what I’ve read (here, in this post) I think our mistrust and opposition to “intellectuals” is still the best course of action.
 
I don't know if the Elites, and bots, and Fox News and all that you mentioned is driving this mistrust, I doubt it actually, but the mistrust is justified.
 
I feel I owe you an explanation.  So, I’ll try as best as I can.
 
First, the entire content of your post and comments give away that you do indeed feel superior to those you would ally with and have little more than contempt for us. 
 
We can’t see that intellectuals are more just like us because they’re not rich either… how stupid. Elite bots lead us by the nose to do their bidding... how stupid.  We're all in debt up to our eyeballs... how stupid.  We believe in the "American Dream"... how stupid.  We watch Fox News... how stupid.  We supported Trump… how stupid.  We fear immigrants... how stupid.  We're all racists... how stupid.
 
Are you sure you want to team up with such a "basket of deplorable" because your every description of us is as something deplorable?  The short answer is... you don't.  You just want the basket of deplorables to come to their senses long enough to do your bidding.
 
Let me say that I think your offer is genuine in your own mind.  You have fooled yourself into thinking that what you propose is in the best interest of everybody.  The left is good at all things involving self, especially delusion.
 
Here is the problem as best I can describe it.  You don’t want us (intellectuals and working people) to defeat the elites (as a team).  You want to defeat the elites with our help… and then replace them.  In the end-game… we (the working people) remain serfs; just better off serfs because you will be more benevolent masters.
 
Another way of putting it is... you don't want us to team up.  You want us to submit to your superior intellect and logic and persons and do your bidding (defeat your enemies).  Oh... you tell us, "and you'll be happier when you give up all that stupid crap you've been clinging to anyway".
 
Thank you… but no thank you.
TexasLynn Added Jul 7, 2018 - 5:59pm
(continued)...
 
We both do indeed have a low opinion of each other. 
 
I have never used the term you, but I have referred to liberal academia as "educated idiots".  I assure you the perception is common among the "working people". 
 
To your credit, we think you guys are very smart.  Very book smart.  But we perceive that you are completely lacking in "common sense".  We also think you guys are (pardon by bluntness) arrogant asses who are full of yourselves... you are wise in your own eyes and clever in your own sight.  (Opher, someone “qualified” in religion would have picked up something there. :) )
 
Now, it goes both ways.  You guys think we, the working people, are as dumb as dirt.  This isn't a mis-characterization of what you think.  THIS IS what you think.  You all but said so yourself in most of this post. 
 
So, you intellectual elites continually ask yourselves "How can these backwards hicks not see how smart and, by extension, how right I am about everything.  It's infuriating.  Worse... they have the gall to mock their superiors and call us names.”
 
Stephen, your whole post gives you (and those like you) away.  You want our help... but you still expect us to give up all that stupid stuff that you know (because YOU are so much better that us) needs to go away.  Our religion, our guns, our racism, our distrust of globalization, our borders, our republic, our Constitution... our freedom, our liberty, our lives.
 
No.  The elites may be my enemies... but you’re little better.
Luther Wu Added Jul 7, 2018 - 6:00pm
@Bill H.-
Here's one more action to add to that list: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/leftists-abuse-st-jude-family-who-thanked-eric-trump-for-raising-millions-of-dollars-to-help-children-with-cancer/
 
Where are your fingers pointing?
Ryan Messano Added Jul 7, 2018 - 6:11pm
I saw that on rap list on Breitbart a couple days back, Luther. It's a great tool to use for Leftists who are blind to what is going on.  Some of them still won't wake up, even when the facts are waved in front of their noses. 
 
Yes, Illogical man, if you were logical, you'd recognize Stephen's post is an absurd commentary, and would have objected to it, instead of being allergic to my comment. 
 
If history is your favorite subject, then you ought to have done the basics of reading just five biographies of the Founders of the greatest nation on earth.  If not, then you aren't as well versed in history as you think you are. 
 
I learn something new every day.  I have a 5,000 volume library, and I am not even close to having read all the books I want to read.  I'm trying to finish Gibbon's, next Churchill, next all of Lincoln's works, and hundreds more.  I know that I don't know, and never stop learning.  I also don't waste a solitary minute on the  hellivision, porn, or drugs.  That helps a lot too.  There is an opportunity cost to consider. 
 
I just supported Obama in 2008.  Just as a broken bone heals twice as strong, so those of us who grew up in Democrat cities, schools, and with Democrat media, become extremely effective at demolishing the silly Democrat arguments.  We are immune and inoculated to them. 
Logical Man Added Jul 7, 2018 - 6:36pm
I think you evaded my question quite well, there.
By the way, you should read David Irving's stuff regarding Churchill. You can find it for free with a simple search.
Luther Wu Added Jul 7, 2018 - 6:36pm
@ Bill H.,
Here's the latest, to add to the list: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/democratic-socialists-posts-video-of-mob-threatening-mitch-mcconnell-we-know-where-you-live-mitch/
 
What's that, you say?
Logical Man Added Jul 7, 2018 - 6:39pm
Luther, you seem to be trying to drive this thread down the very road that I think Stephen was commenting on.
Why?
Ryan Messano Added Jul 7, 2018 - 6:40pm
LM,
Not really, I've read Churchills own words, and "the Last Lion" is a masterful biography of him.  Not interested in Irving, and I have heard of him before. 
 
Irving is a Holocaust denier, and a Hitler apologist.  To be more critical of Churchill than Hitler is simply insane.
Logical Man Added Jul 7, 2018 - 6:52pm
Can't step outside your echo chamber, I see.
Mr Irving was a very respected historian, known for his meticulous research. He doesn't deny the horrors of war, he just questions the official narrative. His efforts to search for truth have caused a rain of shit to be dropped on him, such as the label 'holocaust denier' and some jail time. I would suggest you refute his writings having read them, rather than, again, relying on what you have been told by others.
There have been many holocausts, not just The One, most of them very well denied by historians in general. He just chose to question the one you are not supposed to.
To be equally critical would be my position. Look up The Great Holocaust of Bengal and see how many Indians' deaths Churchill is responsible for and get back to me.
I realize this is outside your echo chamber, but what the hell, why not live dangerously every now and again?
Ryan Messano Added Jul 7, 2018 - 7:08pm
Well, I've learned that profanity is the sign of a weak mind, or a weak argument, and often both, and that's certainly true of you.
 
I'd recommend Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich".  It's far more insightful.  He was actually inside Germany when Hitler rose to power.  Ian Kershaw's book on Hitler is pretty good too.  Also, sit down and read Mein Kampf, and read Churchill's  histories.  You have read far too little on the topic to be taken seriously. 
 
Muslims killed far more Indians than Churchill ever did. Besides, India hasn't really done much of anything since they gained their independence.  Their pagan culture with the caste system pretty much stops all progress.
 
Until Christianity and literacy is embraced by civilizations they remain savage and barbaric.
Logical Man Added Jul 7, 2018 - 7:15pm
I was pretty sure you were suffering from the 'Invisible Sky Guy' psychosis and which particular brand. Thanks for confirming.
Show me this sky-guy on which you base your thoughts and opinions and I might consider your argument.
For me, at this point, I think I'll just shrug and leave you to your malignant belief, if that's what it is, or for your cynical use of the idea to further your own ends.
Either way, I'm unlikely to respond further.
I hate to waste my time.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 7, 2018 - 7:20pm
 
Liberalism is a mental illness, so you see as you are.  Take the Four by four out of your eye before you begin frantically examining the mote in mine.
 
America  was founded on the Judeo Christian concept, and just because you are woefully uninformed on history doesn't mean your warped conclusions are right. 
 
It is a total waste of time to bullheadedly approach a conversation without being adequately informed on history, and then be so proud that you refuse and reject new information that will help you broaden your horizons. 
Logical Man Added Jul 7, 2018 - 7:31pm
QED
It is a total waste of time to bullheadedly approach a conversation without being adequately informed on history, and then be so proud that you refuse and reject new information that will help you broaden your horizons. 
Thanks for making my point - exactly what I was getting at all along!
I couldn't not respond to that one.
I've read both Churchill's and Irvings writings. Churchill comes out looking self-serving and reveling in the fact that he's writing history.
Irving comes out as well researched and contains the viewpoints of those around Churchill, not all of whom were quite as flattering as the man himself.
On a good day, Churchill was a self-interested, warmongering drunk.
Good thing I left some 'wiggle room'.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 7, 2018 - 8:52pm
I’ll give Churchill this much...he kept his courage while his world crumbled around him.  He was a drunk blowhard but he had stones.
Of course it helped to have the English Channel between him and Hitler.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 7, 2018 - 10:42pm
Thank you Logical for this great analogy! "I bet there aren't many people out there who would try fixing up a 2018 Mustang using the manual from a 1963 model."
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 7, 2018 - 10:47pm
Katherine, I agree about your statement on "intellectuals". However I am not sure that I have the precise term for what I mean. This term may imply that this group are highly educated,which is not necessarily the case. Just that they have had more life experiences and interaction with other groups and have learned more about how others think.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 7, 2018 - 10:57pm
Bill, you are so right on the money! Trump is running the USA like a business. And in a business there can only be one boss, who needs complete autonomy. 
I find it difficult to understand why so many are falling into this trap. Guess they want to work for the man. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 7, 2018 - 11:05pm
Texas I really do appreciate your description of why there is this distrust and almost hatred for as you put it, "people like me". 
Personally I do not feel that I am any better(or worse) than anyone else on the planet. I do try and be humble and grateful for what I have every day. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 7, 2018 - 11:13pm
Ryan I just wonder why a nice young and intelligent Christian man, strikes so hard at others with a venom that seems more like the devil than the Almighty? "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" is one I do try and live by. 
Luther Wu Added Jul 7, 2018 - 11:28pm
Stephen,
You say that Bill is right on the money, by blaming President Trump for all of the divisive rhetoric and actions which we've seen.
It doesn't take much of a critical mind, to see that the opposite is more true. It isn't the President who is driving the egregious and hateful storm brewing over our nation. To be sure, the President seems to take great delight in tweet storms which poke the looneys in the eye with a stick, but those aren't his supporters in the streets, acting like brownshirts.
I provided a link for Bill and a couple of updates from today's news. I'd suggest that you examine its contents.
 
BTW, that's one of Alinsky's rules for radicals; blame the opposition for your own actions.
 
@ logical man- Are you suggesting that disagreeable and misleading statements should go unchallenged?  That's not happening, here.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:09am
Stephen, Solomon said “Open Rebuke is better than secret love”.
 
I don’t go confidently espousing wrong views stubbornly, and if I did, I’d welcome stiff correction.
 
Solomon also said “A rod for the back of fools”.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:22am
Stephen,
I actually see daily proof that the Trump camp contains the lion's share of intellectuals.  Unless of course you are referring to University professors who have become wise in their own eyes only. 
 
The left seems to have some notion that Trump supporters are followers, lower class, uneducated and generally inferior.   Clinton let this slip in her "basket of deplorables" comment.  Trump's support grows daily, whereas the left is becoming increasingly violent since they tend to be unable to debate.
 
Most, not all, but most of the liberal's arguments can be summarised by the following:
Racist !
Sexist !
Homophobic !
Islamaphobic !
Nazi !
Fascists !
 
Really?  And I don't think that the conservatives are interested in joining forces with the left.  I think that they want to eradicate the leftists, their PC word police; their hatred of America and more.  The left has awoken a sleeping giant who have tolerated liberal antics for too long.
 
Now are the super-wealthy trying to steer world events?  Clearly they do sir and I agree that Americans need to unite in order to have any hope of reining them in, however, I think that the left is going to spend a decade or so in the woodshed first.
 
Flying Junior Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:23am
Thank you Stephen for your thoughts.
 
Just a couple of things.  Let me first high-five you for some accurate insights into this meleé.
 
The intellectuals and the common people have far more in common with one another than they do the Elites.
 
I applaud your attempt at reconciliation.  However, I must point out that it is somewhat condescending to claim the mantle of intellect and assume our only opponents are working class manual labor.  I can assure you that the professional class as well as academia is fraught with conservatives.  I wouldn’t have it any other way.  So far liberals have been able to out-perform their conservative counterparts in both the Universities and the Media as well it should be.  Conservatives should, by design, be a minority.  They represent the elites.  Capital.  Business.  But intelligent and informed conservatives will always be welcome in the halls of learning.  Can’t help but wish they weren’t so prevalent…  Well, what the hell kind of a science is political science anyway?
 
And social media platforms are making it even easier with the use of “bots” and hired trolls.
 
No kidding, Sherlock.  That was ten years ago.  I know for a fact that the RW pays bloggy hosts to collect flies.  They also pay professional trolls to infest liberal blogs.  My current favorite blog has a resident troll who never lets up.  Do you suppose that the LW pays trolls to infest RW blogs?  Because I don’t.  BTW this phenomenon was home-grown long before Russia jumped in.  I have known paid RW trolls for at the least  ten years and I can vouch that they are native Americans.
 
Not much of a high-five.  Well, okay.
 
Beyond that, I resent your implication that my own extreme opposition to the U.S. fascist  has somehow been engineered by an elite power.  No fucking way.  I am a dyed-in-the-wool democrat who has witnessed first-hand the degradation of my republican opponents.  Witness the extremist Ryan Messano.  Completely fucking rabid with this shit.
 
Sorry bros.  This problem lies at the feet of the degenerate republican party.  It started with Newt Gingrich and the demonization of President Clinton.  Before that it was Jerry Falwell.  The right-wing is off the tracks.  It is a false equivalency to say that leftists are crazy too.  Watch less TV.  TV is probably the biggest problem in all of this.  Recently I was linked to a MSNBC discussion of a Nazi rally in Montana.  What should have been  a five minute report turned into a hour-long hate fest on a panel of eight people.  I can dig why conservatives hate MSNBC.
 
But that’s not who liberals are.  Fuck the implication.  I cut my teeth with Tennessee Guerilla Women.  I was a devoted follower of Southern Beale.  One of the last of my bloggy mentors still standing is the venerable Green Eagle who has been tracking and condemning the extreme RW for the better part of five decades.  Another friend, Rational Nation USA at one time was my conservative republican friend.
 
All of these people are independent thinkers.  Solid, respectable B-lister bloggers.
 
I would submit that it is our conservative opponents who have gone off the rails on a crazy train.  And I’ll lick the guy who says is isn’t so.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:23am
James, And let the people say, Amen!
Flying Junior Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:26am
Ha-ha you kooks!
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:16am
Flying Junior, how about you actually learn the history of your nation before losing your mind over the garbage your media and academia feeds you?
 
Seriously, for someone who has never read seven conservative news sites for two months of your entire life, you aren’t mature enough to comment on politics or to vote. You use profanity to try and sound tough, but we all know you are completely lost.  
 
Whats really pathetic is you grown liberal men are continually reminded PUBLICLY of what you don’t know that IS ESSENTIAL TO HAVE A POLITICAL OPINION, AND YOU STUPIDLY DO NOTHING ABOUT IT AND REGURGITATE YOUR DAILY LAMESTREAM MEDIA GARBAGE.  
 
Go read, and shut up please.  You liberals have worthless ideas and that’s why the Democrats Party is getting smashed, and it will get worse.  How miserable to be deluded and to live a worthless life.  
Flying Junior Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:24am
Ryan,
 
If I read seven conservative news sites for two months I could turn into you.  lol
 
They start with normal people...
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:29am
If you haven’t even honestly considered both sides, how can you have an informed opinion with a conclusion that others find valuable.  I’m persuaded you can’t.  The other 12 liberal males on here have the same problem too.  I only discovered the conservative sites in 2014, at age 35.  And I was raised conservative, in a liberal city and state.  So I can just imagine how tough it must be for those raised in liberal homes, who watch liberal media, liberal hellivision, and were indoctrinated by liberal colleges.
opher goodwin Added Jul 8, 2018 - 4:37am
Stephen - exactly true. Divide and conquer. They even managed to get one of their own into the Presidency. That's unusual. They normally have to bribe and control through corruption.
I do not think there is a secret cabal of the elite. They just control the media and money markets to enable them to gain advantage - plus of course - their interaction with government - bribes, corruption, promises, campaign funding and lobbying. It is amazing how rich politicians get.
All this silly division with its puerile terms of libtard and neocon and whatever is mere distraction. As you say, it deflects from the real problem. That elite are running the show for their own ends. Trump happens to be one of them.
opher goodwin Added Jul 8, 2018 - 4:38am
BTW - I see you have the child on here ranting about reading the 5 biogs of the founding fathers like some demented nutcase.
Dino Manalis Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:16am
 We're all human beings and have common needs and concerns, that's all that matters!
opher goodwin Added Jul 8, 2018 - 10:27am
Dino - it is - and as such should be able to converse intelligently even if we hold different views. It seems some are unable to do that. They babble their childish tribal mantra.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 10:34am
It takes a special mind of stupid fir you supposedly educated liberals to revoke obtaining BASIC elements of understanding about politics in America by reading five biographies of the Founders.  Instead of shutting up and doing it, Badlose, you have to be humiliated because of your pride and impudence, and stomped into the realization that you need to keep your big mouth shut about American politics until you educate your mind on the fundamentals of our ideals.  It’s not alright for you to go screeching your usual lamestream media parroting without the faintest clue of what you are talking about.  Lol, you liberal men on here are like a class of kindergarteners who rebel, and laugh and scorn when told they have to learn the alphabet.
 
All the time you spend opposing reading the biographies is time you could have spent reading them and actually learning what you are talking about.  You seem to enjoy rejecting Wisdom, and desperately embracing ignorance.
opher goodwin Added Jul 8, 2018 - 10:58am
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Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 11:53am
Wasn't Aesop brilliant, Badlose?
 
One hot summer's day a Fox was strolling through an orchard till he came to a bunch of Grapes just ripening on a vine which had been trained over a lofty branch.
"Just the thing to quench my thirst," quoth he.
Drawing back a few paces, he took a run and a jump, and just missed the bunch.
Turning round again with a One, Two, Three, he jumped up, but with no greater success.
Again and again he tried after the tempting morsel, but at last had to give it up, and walked away with his nose in the air, saying:
"I am sure they are sour."
 
Moral: It's easy to despise what you cannot get.
 
In your case, Badlose, it's easy to despise what you refuse to work for. 
opher goodwin Added Jul 8, 2018 - 11:56am
Child - you are deluded and suffering from verbal diahorrhea. Go and read 5 more biographies.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 11:59am
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.  Thank you, Badlose.
 
I know I live rentfree in your head.  You have only your own laziness in proving what you believe to thank for our severe disagreements. 
James Travil Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:04pm
Wasting your time on lying Ryan is like watching paint dry. Pointless and dull. Like Ryan himself. Best to entirely ignore the godboy moron deceiver. 
opher goodwin Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:11pm
James - it is fun though. He is so dim he can't see his own brainwashed stupidity. But what do you expect with an abused kid who was a school dropout?
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:19pm
Begone, vile Satanist.  You are in wretched shape in this life, and in worst in the next. 
 
And for the Satanist and Badlose, two filthy and depraved characters.  Any who take you two seriously are ignorant and corrupt too.  You only fit in because so many on WB have no powers of discrimination.  You are evil.
 
David spoke of you debauched types.  God hates you, as does every God fearing person in history and alive today. You are vile worms, and will be completely destroyed for your perfidious and traitorous betrayal of your Creator.
 
"The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:22pm
By the way, Satanist and Badlose, every last evil entity like you, who challenged me, got stomped.  You aren't facing me, you are facing the Creator, and the anger you get from me is only a fraction you wretches will get from God.  I've done my job and warned you, and now, when you get punished, the blood will be entirely on your heads. The other Christians on here who don't warn you, will bear the blood on their head too.
James Travil Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:31pm
No fuckface, we are facing you and your imaginary skyguy. The former is a weak pathetic liar, and the latter doesn't even exist, lol! Pathetic. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:35pm
Fellow WB Christians, you have your assignment with this Son of Belial.
 
Ezekiel 33:9 But if you warn the wicked man to turn from his way, and he does not turn from it, he will die in his iniquity, but you will have saved your life.
 
Ezekiel 18
 The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying,
What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?
As I live, saith the Lord God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right,
And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman,
And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment;
He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man,
Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God.
10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things,
11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife,
12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination,
13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him.
14 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like,
15 That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife,
16 Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment,
17 That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live.
18 As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity.
19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, a
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:35pm
 
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal?
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
James Travil Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:39pm
Keep rambling off bullshit from your bronze age book of fairy tales written by inbred bigots Ryan. It's the only thing you have. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:46pm
 
May the reader be advised in regards to the degenerate Satanist: Profanity is the sign of a weak argument or a weak argument, and in his case, Both. 
 
Please do not address me, you filthy heathen.
James Travil Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:48pm
Fuck off and die lying Ryan MassAnal. You are a powerless worm I laugh at you and your false "god" of hate. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:56pm
 
Thank you for the personification of evil, Travil.  Keep writhing like a chicken with your head cut off.  You are in your death throes.
 
Keep showing all of us how an evil Satanist behaves and acts.  It is very edifying. 
 
You hate yourself, as you hate the very entity that created you, and that is the most wretched state in the universe to be in.  Of all men, you are most miserable. 
 
As such, it is impossible for you to love Good, and you are forced to hate people like me, and your vitriol is expected. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 12:56pm
Also, what kind of drugs have you used, you wicked man, and what kind are you on right now that keeps your delusion going?
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:00pm
 
Is it even possible for your wicked mind to use a sentence without some vile word in it?  It appears that is impossible for you, judging on your last comments.
Logical Man Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:00pm
It is obvious that you have no reasonable arguments when you resort to using insults in their place.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:02pm
 
What's obvious, Illogical excuse for a man, is you are an ahistorical fraud, whose mind was warped by your drug use, and now you can't comprehend truth.  Very sad.  The sixties weren't kind to your type. 
 
At least learn humility and stop forcing your debauched ideas on a younger generation who wants nothing to do with your corruption.  Go down like Darth Vader.  Having lived a life of folly he at least went out trying to  help the younger generation. 
James Travil Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:22pm
Darth Vader? I thought you didn’t watch TV or movies lying Ryan? I guess that was just another one of your lies. 
Logical Man Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:24pm
Pitiful to watch someone floundering around trying to hold up a non-argument by relying on references to an invisible sky-guy and resorting to insults
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:28pm
Luther I do agree the the divisive undertone does run much deeper then Trump. But as you point out he seems to delight in stirring the pot. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:29pm
Ryan you certainly are inspired by the old testament eye for an eye stuff. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:36pm
Never had a hellivision and was raised without it, Travil, but I made up for it when I was in the Navy, and watched a ton of it, and movies.  Learned quickly it is the worst communication device in human  history.  Retained much of what I saw, since the things I did watch, being rare, made a deeper impression.
 
Liberty comes from God, Illogical Man.  Don't like it?  Travil and  you can travel to the world's biggest atheist nation, China. They will be  happy to educate you, when you are thrown in jail for criticizing the government. 
 
There is forgiveness, for the penitent, Stephen.  You see any liberals on WB that are penitent?  I don't. 
 
 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:38pm
James, I would certainly NOT class all or even most of the "working class" as any of those terms. (although I very well may use them to describe the actions and behaviors of some) And the "working class" in retrospect, is not a good description of who I am referring to. I agree they come from all walks of life and levels of education. I have close friends and relatives who fall into what I called "the working class" and I love them dearly. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:43pm
Thank you for your thoughts Flying J! (and love the Ozzie reference)
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:47pm
Thanks Opher. Politicians certainly do not make near enough to "make it" without the kick-backs and backroom deal stuff. I think both sides agree on this. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 1:55pm
I do think that Ryan copies and pastes way too much, and that he seems to have a lot more ego than he thinks he does. However I am not pleased with the name calling and the way the comments have degraded into childish name calling. Just sayin. :)
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 2:00pm
 
You'd complain either way, Stephen.  If I wrote out the links I post, you'd complain it was too long.  If I post links, you say I copy and paste too much.  Bottom line is you don't like facts and the truth. 
 
You aren't pleased with my name calling, but you have nothing to say about the filth coming from your liberal friends mouths?  What kind of hypocrite are you?  Just like the double standards you liberals are full of.  If it wasn't for double standards, you liberals would have none at all.  You are allergic to the truth, but love lies and flattery. 
 
 
 
 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 2:29pm
Ryan,
I was referring more to others with the name calling, than I was to you. While I find you judge too quickly the personalities of others like myself and make personal statements that are invalid without the facts, you are more respectful than other's comments on this post. 
I do not belong to a pack of liberals. But obviously some of my thinking aligns with some liberal values as you point out. Guess I find it irritating to be judged and labelled, without you(or anyone) knowing the facts of who I am, where I come from and what makes me tick. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 2:40pm
 
Thank you for that concession, Stephen.  I simply delete all profanity and lies from my posts.  Many won't learn still, but it's impossible to have a rational conversation with a person on a thread using profanity and slandering others with crazy lies about the most personal affairs in their lives.  I have alleged drug use on the part of others, but not once have I been wrong.  Also, I asked before I concluded.  When they evaded the question, then I honed in on it.  Not one liberal on here can say they never used psychotropic drugs that potentially impair reason.  It's very scary when people aren't capable of clear thinking. 
 
Society at large does a poor job judging, and thinks it is more virtuous to be accepting of everyone,  no matter how right or wrong they may be, than to actually be courageous and distinguish that there is absolute right and absolute wrong, and that people should be held accountable for the acts and words they choose that depart from or align with the truth. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 4:22pm
Ryan I do think it is unfair to judge others based on religion, color, creed, and physical/mental challenges. (you will never be right 100% of the time) I would rather you refrain from accusing others of having drug addictions, just because of their political stripe. At least on my posts. However if you do I will not delete your comment, it is a free country, at least so far. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 4:32pm
That is specious reasoning, Stephen.  I said to judge on right and wrong, I said nothing about judging on religion, creed, color, or physical/or mental challenges not of ones choosing. 
 
Find me the liberal on here who has never used psychotropic drugs.  It's an epidemic, and most of them freely and shamelessly boast about it.  I'm convinced they can be healed and returned to sanity, but not until they first acknowledge it was wrong in the first place. 
Cliff M. Added Jul 8, 2018 - 4:57pm
The money in politics is the evil at work. Just look at what has happened to fiscal policy since the "money" was allowed to take control.Currently we stand divided. As long as this continues the elites remain the benefactors.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 5:02pm
If that were the case, Cliff, then Jeb would have beat Trump and Hillary would have beat Jeb.  But it's not.
 
Also, where is most of the political money spent?  On television, that's where.  Who decides to watch hellivision?  We do, that's who.  How much do American's watch?  About 9  years of their life, on average, that's how much.  How much do they read?  Men spend a measly 15 minutes a day reading and women spend 20 minutes a day.  That's our problem.  Libraries are free.  And when others and myself highlight the lack of reading and how that leads liberals to flawed conclusions, what is their response?  They deride the idea they should have to read "five biographies of the Founders". 
 
So the American people are the problem.  Not money in politics.
James Travil Added Jul 8, 2018 - 5:35pm
For the record I only use drugs that my doctors prescribed me, and that's all. I don't even use aspirin. But lying Ryan only knows how to slander people who disagree with him, his behavior is immature and offensive at best. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 5:36pm
That’s your current use, now for the past use?
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 6:41pm
Ryan,
Can you find anybody on here who has not tried a drug, left, right or center? Did you know sugar is actually the worst drug, as so many are addicted to it, and it is just as addictive as crack cocaine. Caffeine is also a drug and the world's 2nd largest used, behind granulated sugar.  Tobacco, there is another biggie. Then of course alcohol. I guess you do not include that in your list of liberal hater substances. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 7:11pm
Yes, Stephen, I haven’t.  I think there are a few more.  Nothing wrong with making mistakes, but the problem is most of the past drug users either don’t realize the dangers drugs pose today, or they are full blown supporters of legalization, exacerbating the drug problem.
 
Sugar does not impair reason permanently, as pot has the capacity to do via psychosis and schizophrenia.  
 
Caffeine does not impair reason anywhere near pot or the other illicit drugs, neither does alcohol.
 
That said, I do sparingly use sugar, have never used tobacco, and have never used alcohol either.
 
Amd I’m no Pharisee.  Having seen the benefits of living like this, and the severe consequences that we are paying for drug, alcohol, and tobacco issues, that’s why I take the position I take.
 
No one ever died or was harmed by living the life I lead.  Millions have died or suffered hardship from drug, tobacco, and alcohol issues, to say nothing of the lives they damaged.  
opher goodwin Added Jul 8, 2018 - 7:20pm
Messy anus - you are a complete fool. You can't even see the stupidity of your position.
Logical Man Added Jul 8, 2018 - 7:26pm
Ryan, you are addicted to one of the most dangerous drugs known to man - religion.
More addictive and dangerous than heroin.
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 7:35pm
Marx said “religion is the opiate of the masses”.  100 million people died due to that stupid thinking, Illogical man.  You still haven’t learned.  
 
Badlose, get lost.
 
What a filthy degenerate you are.
opher goodwin Added Jul 8, 2018 - 7:43pm
Fuck off child you repressed, abused, brainwashed idiot. You are an embarrassment.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 8, 2018 - 7:44pm
I think Ryan's only education on marijuana comes from movies like "Reefer Madness."
 Our of all the drugs going around pot is probably the least harmful.  It is both psychologically and physically addictive but withdrawing from THC is hardly dangerous.  The worst symptoms are migraines and insomnia.  I think I did read something that heavy users can suffer the possibility of convulsions but that is controllable.  Long term damage is comparable to alcohol and tobacco but again controllable.  That's nothing compared to long term smoking or drinking.  It has nothing compared to other drugs.
 
Logical Man Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:00pm
Jeffrey, I think you may be off, regarding addiction, withdrawal, long-term damage and pot.
If you look at numbers of drug deaths, directly attributable to pot, you will find that the number is, if non-zero, very small.
Look at cigarettes, alcohol and prescription drugs and you will see that they are much more potentially dangerous.
Cannabis has been shown to have many beneficial effects in terms of both physical and mental health.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:02pm
Badlose is beginning to grasp he isn’t what he thought he was, and desperation is beginning to set in.  If you were humble, and not proud, Badlose, you’d learn more and find the truth easier.  You liberals have too high an opinion of yourselves and so it takes Olympian efforts to disabuse you of the myths you’ve been fed all your lives.
 
 
James Travil Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:05pm
Cannabis does indeed have many beneficial effects. It's often prescribed as a pain killer for cancer patients as well as being prescribed for various mental disorders including PTSD. 
Flying Junior Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:06pm
You're welcome, Stephen.  Here's an Ozzie reference for the ages...
 
Goin' home late last night;
Suddenly I had a fright.
Yeah I looked through the window, surprised what I saw;
Fairy boots a'dancin' with a glove!
Yeah fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me!
I saw it, I saw it!  I tell you no lie.
Yeah fairies wear boots and you gotta believe me now!
I saw it, I saw it with my own two eyes!
Ahh, right now!
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:06pm
You think wrong, Jeffry.  That’s typical pot propaganda.  I’ve never seen Reefer Madness, but pot has been detrimental to Colorado and Washington if you look at the stats.  
 
Alcohol, tobacco, and pot are all bad, but pot can have psychoactive effects on the mind, and alcohol and tobacco either take longer, in the case of the former, or don’t, in the case of the latter.  
 
Delusional Man, 
 
Not true, all psychoactive drugs are bad, with no exception.
 
 
Flying Junior Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:08pm
Shout out to Passion Blues.  You have to be certifiable to love that song!
Leroy Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:22pm
I don't recall ever using the term "libtards" but have often thought it.  I have never viewed it as a working man term to disparage intellectuals or the elite.  The term "libtard" is a substitute for a progressive liberal in my book.  I consider you, Stephen, a progressive liberal.  "Intellectual" never crossed my mind, to be honest.  I don't envy the wealthy.  I would be one of them if I could.
 
To me, the elite are those who use the government or who want to use it to rule over us.  If I understood Lynn correctly, he implied that you are a would-be elitist, to which I would agree.
 
I belong to the category of non-elitists.  I don't want to rule over anyone.  As long as it doesn't affect me or my family or endanger society, I don't care what anyone does.  I am for the smallest government which can protect me.  The fewer rules and regulations, the freer I am.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:28pm
Love it Flying J! Thanks for that.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:32pm
Interesting debate on the human penchant for 'drug use', but do you think there is any common ground on things like pot laws between the factions?  
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:38pm
Leroy thanks for your thoughts. Lynn is wrong I am not a wanna be Elitist. Like you, I have no desire to rule over anyone. And I do not care what anyone does, as long as it does not hurt others.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:39pm
Honestly, I don’t, Stephen.
 
As mentioned, those who used it before are letting their feelings decide for them, and are irrational.  You can give them all the reasons in the world why pot is bad and they won’t budge an inch.
 
To make an objective decision on pot, one is best positioned to do so when one has never used it.  
 
Marijuana users will respond with the totally illogical argument that you can’t judge it if you haven’t used it.  Given the fact that it impairs reason, in some form or other, what sense does it make to posit that a user can judge it better than a non user?  None at all, but you see them constantly doing it.
 
They constantly use straw man arguments like “well it isn’t as bad as alcohol, or tobacco, or caffeine, or sugar”, the latter two arguments being completely nonsensical, and the former two aren’t relevant, as they cause plenty of damage on their own, and we ought to be talking about getting rid of all of them, instead of justifying marijuanas harms by using existing harms.   
 
 
Logical Man Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:39pm
From personal experience I can say, without doubt, that cannabis reduces the awful side-effects of at least one chemo drug and also helps when dealing with extreme pain.
Should these effects be denied to people for political reasons?
Absolutely not.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:42pm
If it impairs reason, LM, then it makes no sense.  “I am because I think” said Descartes.  And if marijuana impairs thinking, which it does, then removing pain at the expense of being a vegetable or a zombie isn’t worth it.
 
Personally, I’d prefer to die, then alleviate pain and become a vegetable.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 8, 2018 - 8:51pm
@Logical Man:
Because of my job I read a great deal about drugs and their effects.  Studies on long term usage indicate what I told you above.
 
By no means is THC a miracle drug but I can tell you that out of any drug, either natural or synthetic, if I had a choice I would use it.  It does wonders for migraines, chronic pain and insomnia.  It definitely helps people under treatment where they lose their appetite.  It’s a very effective treatment for nausea.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 9:00pm
It doesn’t make sense to minimize pain at the expense of reason and memory, Jeffry.  I’m all for the forms of marijuana which don’t affect the brain at all, but dead set against all of it that does.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 8, 2018 - 9:01pm
Oh, FFS, climb off your righteous soapbox and pull that holier-than-thou stick out of your bum, Ryan.
 
If you ever have surgery the doctor will prescribe you pain medication.  Those drugs are CDS just like marijuana only no one had a racial issue with them back in the day.  As a society we live on synthetic opiates and that is one of the causes of the opiate addiction crisis.  
 
THC is infinitely less dangerous than any of those drugs.  No, I don’t think the country should go on a collective head trip but I do think doctors should be able to prescribe them for those who need them.  I also don’t trip out over casual use.  I look at it like someone drinking alcohol.  Legalizing it would take care of a lot of the illegal stuff and you could tax it.  All laws applying to DUI and DWI would still apply.
 
Seriously get over yourself.  Apparently visiting 77 conservative websites and read 555 biographies of the founding fathers turns one into a douche.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 8, 2018 - 9:04pm
OK, now I feel bad.
 
Ryan, I was responding to this:
”If it impairs reason, LM, then it makes no sense.  “I am because I think” said Descartes.  And if marijuana impairs thinking, which it does, then removing pain at the expense of being a vegetable or a zombie isn’t worth it.
 
Personally, I’d prefer to die, then alleviate pain and become a vegetable.”
 
That struck me as a rather douchey thing to say.  However your second comment was a much more reasoned one.  
 
You have my apologies.  I’ll let my first comment stand so people can see what an ass I can be.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 9:10pm
Once again, we are not comparing psychotropic drugs to try and justify pot.  I’m saying all psychotropic drugs are deleterious.  
 
The reason why the FDA has it listed as a Schedule 1 drug is because there is no way to predict the response of everybody.  It’s effects wildly vary, and it’s very unsafe to go prescribing medication to people when the cure Kay be worse than the disease.  You can’t prescribe pot like aspirin. 
 
Its a lie to think that legalizing pot would be just fine.  Los Angeles’ illegal
pot market is BIGGER since pot was legalized in California, just as predicted.  Why would illegal pot go away when they can sell it cheaper and avoid the taxes and regulations? It doesn’t take an Einstein to figure out it won’t.  
 
Well, thank you, Jeffry.  
 
You are rare among the liberals, in that you have a conscience.  You are sincere in your beliefs, and can reason, and that is a very valuable attribute.
 
 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 9:11pm
Well Ryan you have certainly made your position clear. But I wonder how many others or what % of folks who vote the same as you, feel the same? My guess would be quite a high %. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 9:14pm
Very few conservatives even, Stephen, agree with my views.  It would be nice to avert disaster, but many want to experiment, and learn from experience that legalizing pot is a very bad idea.  
 
“Experience teaches a dear school, but fools will learn in no other”
Ben Franklin 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 8, 2018 - 9:18pm
Logical and Jeffrey, thanks for your input. 
Jeffrey while I agree Ryan needs to do a bit more research on the cannabis thing, from different POVs than his current research suggests he is, he has a right to think whatever he wants. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 9:23pm
Thank you, Stephen.
 
Im not sure if you have read two books on the effects of marijuana, but if not, “Going to pot” and “Marijuana Debunked” are two excellent views of the objective harms marijuana poses.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 8, 2018 - 9:25pm
@Stephen Hunter:
Absolutely.  I agree with Ryan on practically nothing but his views are his own.
 
I just wish he’d realize that what he believes isn’t right for everyone.  I’d oppose anyone wishing to silence him for any reason.  I have no reason to think he’d reciprocate.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 9:34pm
If you wish me to take your views on marijuana seriously, Jeffry, than what two books opposing marijuana have you read?  Subjective experience doesn’t matter in evaluating pot.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 8, 2018 - 10:09pm
Opposing?  None.  The material I read was neutral.  I know about the positive and negative effects of using the drug just like any drug.
 
That being said any positive effects anyone receives from using harder forms of narcotics is far outweighed by the negative.
 
I don’t condone or advocate legalizing everything.  I’ve seen what happens when people lose control of themselves.
 
I am also a realist.  Outlawing tobacco and alcohol isn’t going to happen.  I look at marijuana as an equivalent to those drugs.  Legalizing marijuana would relieve the system of prosecuting those casual users.  You can tax it like you do tobacco and alcohol.  All sanctions would continue for someone caught stoned where they shouldn’t be.
 
 
 
Leroy Added Jul 8, 2018 - 10:12pm
This thread went to pot in a hurry.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 10:12pm
Legalizing it won’t work.  Tobacco is already severely taxed and on its way out.  
 
The recent health craze has many people voluntarily giving up alcohol, as it offers little benefit and dramatic risks.  
 
Chinas introduction of opium was the beginning of the end of a 3,000 year dynasty.  The same will happen here.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 8, 2018 - 10:18pm
Leroy-LOL
 
Ryan-I think what you say about tobacco and alcohol is correct, people are giving it up.  But that isn’t an argument against legalizing marijuana.
 
There is a vast difference between opium and marijuana.  Opium is highly addictive and quitting is extremely difficult and dangerous.  The same is not true for marijuana.
Leroy Added Jul 8, 2018 - 10:26pm
"Chinas introduction of opium was the beginning of the end of a 3,000 year dynasty."
 
Hmmm...maybe you have one too many zeros.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 10:37pm
Lol, Leroy, 
 
Its correct.
 
Opium and pot are both mind altering, Jeffrey, and the mind is the most valuable asset any nation possesses.  
 
http://www.historywiz.com/downfall.htm
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 8, 2018 - 11:45pm
There are degrees to this, Ryan.  Overindulging in anything is harmful but overindulging in THC will make you pass out.  Opiates kill.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 8, 2018 - 11:49pm
A body with an impaired mind may as well be dead.
Bill H. Added Jul 8, 2018 - 11:56pm
 
Luther - I noticed the sources for all of your "Leftist Violence" proof.
I'll throw you one that is as questionable as your sources just for fun-
https://americasvoice.org/trumphatemap/
 
Sorry, but you can blame Trump for all of the hate and violence on both sides.
It's exactly as he wants it, believe me!
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 12:18am
202 instances, Bill.  It’s nowhere close.
 
https://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/07/05/rap-sheet-acts-of-media-approved-violence-and-harassment-against-trump-supporters/
 
Also, you leftists are deceived by all the fake hate.
 
http://www.fakehatecrimes.org
 
 
Luther Wu Added Jul 9, 2018 - 1:20am
Bill H.- Then when Democratic Congresswoman Maxine Waters calls for Trump supporters and Cabinet members to be harassed wherever they are found, that's Trump's fault , too, according to you.
Her constituency depends upon divisiveness. One could easily make a case that the modern Democratic party relies solely on the divisiveness of identity politics to stay in the game.
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:02am
I rejected the hypocrisy of the Christian culture and puritanical "if it makes you feel good it's a sin" bullshit in my late teens when I became a Satanist. I've read numerous scientific medical studies about cannabis that disprove all of the nutty DEA lies that lying Ryan is pushing here. If he was honest (never going to happen) he would admit that he only opposes cannabis because it brings pleasure like sex which he also opposes for the same reason. Christian fundys are demented sadists - FUCK THEM ALL! I don't answer to them or their ilk. I follow the legitimate laws of the country and here in the Great state of Washington cannabis is legal. Plus I have a legitimate prescription for it for my PTSD that I got serving our country in Desert Storm. So lying Ryan and others like him can kiss my ass. He is a sniveling little bitch of a fake man and fake everything. If you take marching orders from him or his like or otherwise relinquish your sovereignty to such a rat fuck or his false "god" you are a true fool. Not me, now or ever. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:27am
You’re a hedonist Epicurean, James.  No different from the barbaric pagans of old.  Why don’t you leave, America, you ungrateful parasite?  You have all the blessings of liberty from Christianity, but you refuse to recognize where it came from.
 
Go get a one way ticket to the biggest atheist nation on earth, China.  Try opposing the government there, and they’ll slap you in jail so fast it’ll make your satanic dome spin.  
 
In other words, you were suckered by propaganda.  You are one big sucker.
 
You are a stupid beast, and you don’t realize that sacrificing the future on the altar of the immediate is a really dumb idea.  
 
I knew you had to be on some drugs. Satanism leaves you too miserable.  Why didn’t you answer me when I asked you about your drug use before, you deceitful fraud?  Why weren’t you a man about it, you pusillanimous pansy.  
 
Thats why you and the lefties hate me, because I’m onto your weak, ignorant, cowardly, deceitful, and indolent habits.  
 
You hate being exposed, no one likes it.  The light hurts wicked dark types like you.
 
PTSD is stupid nonsense.  The truth is you’re wicked and that’s why you can’t deal with your stress.  Quit whining you lousy worm.  
 
With a degenerate mouth like yours and Lord knows what wicked habits, I can understand why you run for drugs.  I have zero sympathy for you.  You are a weak man, who is a little boy. 
 
You are wicked, evil, and miserable, and that why you need drugs, to escape your conscience which Yorkers and tortures you.
 
”There is no witness so dreadful, no accuser so terrible as the conscience that dwells in the breast of every man”
Polybius
 
You picked the wrong one, you wicked Satanist.  
 
 
 
 
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:31am
The truth is lying Ryan that you are subhuman Christian vermin and deserve to be snuffed out with extreme prejudice. If we ever meet I'll be happy to oblige you. Until then keep your fascist anti-American ass out of my business you cocksucker. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:36am
Where have we heard Satanists trying to kill Christians before?  Oh, that’s right, in pagan Rome.  James wants to play charades again.  Fun!
 
The Christians then didn’t have the second amendment, we do.  You lose.  
 
Go worship, Satan, you wicked and demented pervert.  Things were good with you before you crossed paths with me, now your career on WB is over.  Just like Michka, you’ll be a laughingstock and a joke.  Kind of like Badlose.  That communist loser was a stuttering mess earlier today,
 
 
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:40am
I worship nothing but myself and my friends and family who are deserving. We are all flesh and blood, nothing more. Only a fool like you worships external false "gods". You are pathetic! 
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:42am
BTW I own guns too moron. Remember I'm a moderate independent not a gun hating liberal. And I'll be happy to go toe to toe with a bitch coward who has never seen combat like you. I. On the west coast also, just name the place and time. Punk. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:43am
When I was a kid, I read about people on drugs doing crazy things like tearing light poles from the ground and picking up cars. Until you get off drugs, you’ll never be sane.  Says a lot about anyone in here who saw nothing wrong with you, I knew something was seriously wrong with you as soon as you let on you were a Satanist.  
 
Self worship and devil worship are the same thing.
 
You are like a dog chasing your tail, you’ll never get anywhere in life.
 
 
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:50am
Like I said before we Satanists worship no external false "gods". Your slanders not withstanding. Own your own stupidity it is not ours. Also if you were an actual Christian you wouldn't oppose a natural plant that God made. You are far more of a devil worshiper than I could ever be. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:55am
You keep repeating yourself, like a typical druggie.  
 
Besides profanity and lies you are useless in a debate.  You are an intellectual midget, and a moral dwarf.  Haven’t you learned?  I destroy people like you on here, no problem.  It’s too easy.  
 
God never intended any mind altering drug to be used by humans.  Satan loves it though,  keeps you nicely deluded.
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:57am
Like I said before you are EXPOSED as a FAKE Christian who hates the creation of the creator! ROTFLMFAO you fucked up this time you PHONEY! 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:07am
Until you can name five biographies of the Founders of your nation, that you’ve read, you fake patriot, We aren’t having a conversation.  Shut up and go read, and shame on your parents and school for letting you be so ignorant.  
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:09am
I don't take orders from fake Christians lying Ryan. Go back telling us all how God fucked up when he created cannabis you PHONEY! 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:20am
Five biographies, you ignorant charlatan.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:21am
Like a beast, you don’t take orders from anyone, and have to be humiliated to learn anything.
I’m your huckleberry.  We can do this all night.  You have an intellectual pea shooter.
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:24am
Fuck you you hypocrite FAKE. Like I said before, please tell us all how God fucked up when he created cannabis. Let's assume the Bible is his word, give us a verse. Just one. Should be easy (if it were true-which we both know it is NOT). 
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:25am
And no I don't take orders from fake Christians or other fools. I am a sovereign person with no master, unlike you, fool. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:32am
Any further comments that don’t contain five biographies of the Founders you’ve read, will be ignored. All comments on my thread will be deleted.  You are far too ignorant to be mouthing off.  You ought to be slapped for your impudence, but you’re too old for that now.  
 
You are a waste of time, and are full of ignorance and filth.  
 
Until you do these three things, you’ll remain a clueless simpleton.
 
1) Read five biographies of the CHRISTIAN founders of your nation.
2) Get off drugs.
3) Reject Satan.
 
Until then, you’ll remain a hopeless and angry slave, to your master Satan, who you gleefully serve as he gives you hell on earth, and an even worse one in the next life.  If he was such a good master, why are you using drugs to escape his reality?   
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:35am
Fuck you you loser asswipe, as I said before I don't take orders from fake Christians who claim that the creator fucked up when he created cannabis. Show us one Bible verse that says otherwise. Just ONE? You can't because we both know it doesn't exist you PHONEY! 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:24am
Leroy,
Good one as this thread sure did go to pot, and off track from the original premise of; is there any common ground the 2 non-elite factions can agree on? However the emotional outbursts and personal attacks have crept in, much to my dismay, however it is a free country, so I guess if it makes people feel good to attack others emotionally, than fill your boots. (as they say in the rural area where I was born and brought up) 
I do suspect though that the pot thing is not only a sore spot for liberals. And it does work into the premise I have presented. Of all the conspiracy theories out there, even the most skeptical will admit that the laws around Cannabis, make absolutely no sense and are driven by the Elite from the very beginning.(1930's after prohibition lifted- Reefer Madness movies and Ads in major newspapers saying that if your white daughters smoke this stuff, they will run off with Black men) Big Pharma and the Booze companies, want no competition from a natural product which cannot be patented as a lab created product. Therefore they have it classified as a Level 1 drug right beside Cocaine and the Opiates, and not even Obama could have it moved to a level 2 drug. The Elite is VERY powerful! 
TexasLynn Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:16am
Trying to get things a little bit back on track...
 
Luther Wu it right on the money on this one.  The left is completely unhinged as far as instigating hate and supporting violence against Trump, his supporters, and the right.  Saying that Trump is the cause of all this is the pot calling the kettle black.
 
"It doesn't take much of a critical mind, to see that the opposite is more true. It isn't the President who is driving the egregious and hateful storm brewing over our nation. To be sure, the President seems to take great delight in tweet storms which poke the looneys in the eye with a stick, but those aren't his supporters in the streets, acting like brownshirts." -- Luther Wu
 
Exactly, the fascist are the ones screaming "FASCIST" the loudest.  All you need to do is objectively look at their words and ACTIONS.  You guys on the left wonder why we demonize the likes of "Antifa" and BLM (Black Lives Matters) ... it's because they ARE demons.
 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 
I'm with Leroy in that "I don't envy the wealthy.  I would be one of them if I could."  I've never been employed by a poor man.
 
My bigger enemy (more so than the rich) is leftist thought.  THAT is what has enslaved and murdered more people than anything else in history.  There are many flavors of this evil... the rich liberal, the hippy loser liberal, the race pimp liberal, the socialist liberal, AND the intellectual/academic liberal.  The key word in all this being "liberal".
 
As for the elite rich, they run the gamut of being socially constructive (conservative) and destructive (liberal).  Unlike some, I see most of the elite rich (at least the most vocal and public) as on the destructive/liberal side of the equation.  Just look at EVERY Silicon Valley billionaire.
 
Back to the point of my original comment... We (the Working People) have little in common with the liberals of any ilk.  Like they have done since the beginning (Stalin, Mao, Chavez...) they seek to convince us the overthrow our masters (the rich) for new masters (them).  And millions died...
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:30am
Stephen, oddly enough, a google search of marijuana will agree nearly 100% with your sentiments.  I wonder why that is?  Could it be Google is shaping public opinion?  Hmmm.
 
Also, I’m pretty confident you’ve never read two books opposing pot either.
 
Since the liberal media and schools overwhelmingly favor pot, it seems you are naive and gullible.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:57am
Thanks Texas for helping me understand why "the working people" (and I am not convinced this is a good title- perhaps it should be those who mostly favor Trump's policies?) have such a hate on for liberals or anyone who utters the word socialism. 
Question- do you feel that if Bernie were elected in 2020, that millions of Americans would die?  
I too have no use for the totalitarian regimes that came out of China, Russia's, etc switch to a Totalitarian gov't which to me is the same as Fascism. I have no desire to defend any of those regimes at all. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 9, 2018 - 11:12am
Naive and Gullible? Well we all are to a certain extent aren't we? I could say the same about you, but I won't. 
 I have had life experience in the working/business world for almost 4 decades, employed by 4 different large corporations, worked with people from many ethic backgrounds and religions, and listened to many POV's. 
I was brought up a WASP, my father was quite right wing and quick to judge(hated the hippies and all that- he actually sounded like Nixon- from the Nixon Tapes which you Ryan should listen to as part of your research) My grandmother was a Christian and I went to Church, sang in the choir, and listened to many a fire and brimstone sermon, until my mid-teens. 
So in  your eyes Ryan if this is "Naive", so be it, because my philosophy is; 'it is none of my business what other people think of me.' :) Have a nice day. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2018 - 11:13am
To all:
Just a technical issue.
If you have a website you want us to view click the icon that looks like a paper clip at the top of the comment block.  It is the farthest one on the right.
 
You paste the link in the top line and you can write a description of the article right below it, like so:
Some Crazy Right-Wing Website
 
This makes it easier to go right to whatever you want us to view.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 9, 2018 - 11:25am
Thank-you Jeffrey- excellent point. You mean like this? (i went to the site and copied and pasted the link in the URL box in the pop up)
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_White_House_tapes
 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 9, 2018 - 11:26am
oops that did not seem to work, let me try again....
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_White_House_tapes
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 12:09pm
A wise man learns from others mistakes, a fool has to learn from his own, Stephen. 
 
Life experience is a very poor substitute for learning from others.  We don't have time enough in our lives to repeat the mistakes of others.  Good thing Alexander was taught by Aristotle all the lessons from military history before he started out at age 30.  That's why he never lost a battle. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 12:10pm
It's good to see that you are going to Right wing sites, Jeffrey.  I respect that.  This one is even better.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 9, 2018 - 1:50pm
Speaking of learning from others, Ryan you have to check out "The Nixon Tapes". The context was done as many of the day requested, from a factual/historical perspective, many years after they were released, so as to have higher perspective on these conversations and how they related to the events of the times. 
(SEE LINK in my above comment)
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 1:54pm
Don't be fooled by the communist elite media takedown of Nixon, Stephen.  The press has been on the warpath for too long, and they have way too much power.
 
I learned of the Nixon tapes when I was a young boy.
 
Which five biographies of the Founders of America have you read, that's what you need to be focusing on?
opher goodwin Added Jul 9, 2018 - 1:58pm
I wouldn't waste your time on the brat Stephen. I think I'll just copy the link to him having his emotional outbursts every time the silly fool prattles. It shows clearly the level of his intellect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN9dzY-HZRc
Just go towards the end to see the tantrums of the brainwashed fool. He's so puerile.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 2:04pm
You haven't got the guts to go into a meeting of conservatives and spew your nonsense, Badlose.  Buzz off, you cowardly pansy.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 9, 2018 - 2:08pm
Opher, based on your broader experience here on WB, I will take that under advisement. :) 
 
Your link to did not come through above. As I found out in above string from Jeffrey, you have to add the link by first clicking the icon above(4th from left) A simple paste of the link, only pastes the text. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 2:13pm
 
Appeal to expert, logical fallacy, Stephen
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 9, 2018 - 6:11pm
Ryan do you mean the link thing I learned earlier today from Jeffrey or the above where I consider the advice of someone with more experience than me. My car is broke, think I will go to an expert in car repair. Logical fallacy or are the Communists running the mechanics union? 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:12pm
NOBODY SHOULD EVER ALLOW RYAN THE BULLY TO GET YOU TO TALK ABOUT DRUG USE.  Other than Ryan using it against you, it may be found by a perspective or current employer, and that could cause you problems.  Giving into Ryan demands empowers him in a way he doesn't deserve.  Ryan has no real purpose here other than pumping himself up as this "big deal", radical rightist, causing idiot rightists to flock to his website full of stolen material you can get at any other fascist or rightist website.  Messianic is running people off WB, which is also something he wants.  He told me to leave WB replying to my second comment here after I signed up, and increased his slur level personally when I didn't go.  Still at it, but he ran from a discuasion with  Muslim, who wouldn't cave to Ryan's slanders and attacks.  Ryan had to turn the thread over to another WB ultraXtain, Dawn something, but she also faltered.  Xtains need some new game plans.
 
AS to Stephan's article, I'd really not want blustering TraitorLynn fighting on our side.  He wants the union broken, and that will be "the final showdown" with his "Band of Mothers" manning the barricades, romantically fighting for the 2nd amendment and his breakaway state.  He wouldn't even admit his treason again, in context of this article.
Logical Man Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:16pm
Ryan.....
A mind is like a parachute - works best when open.
Pull the fucking rip-cord!
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:19pm
Lying Ryan wrote: "Stephen, oddly enough, a google search of marijuana will agree nearly 100% with your sentiments. I wonder why that is?"
Because Google has made a commitment to eliminating fake news and lies like the DEA propaganda in Ryan's marijuana disinformation books. Google algorithms bury such garbage while putting truthful scientific research up front so people can find the truth. Something liars like Ryan can't stand. 
Logical Man Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:28pm
James, I wouldn't put that much confidence in Google.
Who gets to decide what is 'fake news'
Give someone that power and it WILL be abused.
I have a habit of looking for multiple sources for 'independent' information, as best I can and always read 'what I'm supposed to' with a very jaded and skeptical eye.
Once all sources are controlled by small groups, humanity is fucked.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:41pm
No one chose to use drugs but you, Jeff.  I'd never use it against someone.  Own your own choices, and stop running from them.  The Muslim ran away long ago.  He is just like Mufasa, who easily was defeated in debate, just as the other Muslim was.  If you'd learn about Muhammad and the Quran, you'd realize they are both wrong, but you are lazy. 
 
Illogical Delusional Man, My mind is not like a gutter. I don't allow everything in. 
 
Travil likes the totalitarian Google.  Sad.
 
 
Completely agree with your last comment, Logical man, save the last sentence's crudeness.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 9, 2018 - 11:34pm
target="_blank">Don't be fooled by the communist elite media takedown of Nixon, Stephen.  The press has been on the warpath for too long, and they have way too much power.
 
I learned of the Nixon tapes when I was a young boy.”
 
I read what Buchanan had to say.  Interesting take.  Wrong but interesting.
 
The”Left” that Buchanan is speaking of is crappy revisionism.  Those “men on the left” were starry-eyed idealists who thought that stopping the Commies in South Vietnam would bring peace and prosperity to the region.  Instead they embroiled the United States in an unwinnable civil war.  It broke Johnson and enabled a Nixon (a man basically despised by the man who made him Vice-President) to become president.
 
Suffice to say I don’t agree with Buchanan.  It’s been some time since I’ve studied the Vietnam War, anyone who reads what I write knows where my interests lie.  The two best books I ever read on Vietnam were “A Bright Shining Lie” and “Vietnam: A History.”
Vietnam: A History
 
Kurt Bresler Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:33am
>>>>"Who are the Elite? They are the Billionaires in the world who want their descendants to stay Billionaires for generations to come, they are the royalty of our generation."
Well that is the job of the rich to siphon off the wealth of the middle-class.  But it is not just Billionaires it is anyone who figures into the class warfare system, including those who are too proud to lift a hand to support themselves, they are also siphoning off the wealth of the middle-class.
This is what happened to Obama Care.. as long as the Middle-Class didn't have to carry all the weight everything was going ok but as the premium increased on the middle-class who were covering the premiums for the poor, the crap started hitting home.   Many found out that the Rich were not paying the bills for the poor it was them, their own hard working middle-class that got hit hard.   The Rich don't need Obama-care.
As a working middle-lower-class American I never saw intellectuals as my enemies unless they were lazy intellectuals who only wished to use their minds to escape hard work.  Many intellectuals are to be respected they put their minds to good use, they work hard, they think hard.
The situation is that no one is going to stop the merry-go-round,  the poor get a raise in wages .. the prices of goods increases,  It sounds like your getting better but having to live on less.    
The Last recession Banking failure in 2009 was probably designed by the Elite Bankers to steal trillions from the poor by repossessing property and raising interest rates, choking people until they were broke.  I have to admit Obama did try to mediate the damages however even in the disaster the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.  You can't beat the system, it is impossible, and it is driven by human nature, perhaps the most selfish parts.
 
 
edinmountainview Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:00am
TexasLyn, My sentiments exactly.  I have been saying for a while now that those on the left are in denial.  It is hard not to come to that conclusion when they come out for open borders and tell us that it will make us a better country, as just one example.
Semper
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 10, 2018 - 7:24am
Kurt, thanks for your input, many valid thoughts in your comment. Bottom line is that the income gap continues to widen. How much further can it go in a democracy? Perhaps that is why we are hearing noises about not limiting the Presidency to 8 years. Totalitarianism whether coached in socialism or protecting the free in a capitalist environment, is still dictatorship and we must stop it! 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 10, 2018 - 7:29am
Thanks Jeffrey. To me the Nixon Tapes taught me so much more than the idiosyncrasies of the Vietnam War. It was the racist attitudes of the people in control of the government which was so distasteful. And how people in power use rhetoric and emotional sensationalism to get what they want. And what they want only serves the Elite. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 10, 2018 - 7:37am
Thanks Jeff for chiming in. I still think that we all have more things in common than we don't. IF we can take away the emotional outbursts and try and put ourselves in the shoes of others. 
For some they have such a strong ego. And ego tells you that you or your group can never be wrong. Humility and remaining calm in the most challenging times is the key. Easier said than done I know. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 10, 2018 - 7:39am
You make a good point Logical. Who is in charge of the truth? It does all boil down to people doing their diligence and checking out alternative POVs. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 10, 2018 - 7:44am
Edin thanks for your comment. You know it is funny that people on the left say exactly the same about people on the right. Denial is actually the first stage of accepting change. The second is anger. 
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 8:52am
Stephen - here is the link just in case you didn't get it: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN9dzY-HZRc
 
That should work.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:18am
Thank you for being my media, Gopher.  You do a marvelous job.
 
Every sane person will agree with and object to my totalitarian dismissal.
 
You expose your own insanity by lauding the actions of a dictator.  This is why I remorselessly censure you.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:20am
I watched that, Ryan.  I do always find it interesting when people selectively cry “free speech” when they don’t really know what that means.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:54pm
Watched it Opher. Oh my! Got thrown out not about the rant on Google, but on the gay comments. 
(I did have to copy and paste the text of the link into my browser- it was not a direct link- as per Jefferey's tip in above thread) 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jul 11, 2018 - 9:32am
Stephen Hunter
 
"We have a ton of new information now, so while some of it does apply to humanity in general, and that is good but it does not reflect the reality of the NOW."
 
So, how shall we change to system now?  Using judicial activism as the left prefers? Many of us see the current 'reality' as caustic, criminal and a baseless reflexive reaction to capitalism. 
 
Apparently, the loss of both sections of Congress, the WH and SCOTUS is upsetting to leftist Democrats. 
 
They earned this by themselves. 
 
Live with it. 
edinmountainview Added Jul 11, 2018 - 3:55pm
Cliff, I agree.  There is too much money to be spread around by special self interest groups that breeds corruption.  A great example would be Mrs. Clinton and the Uranium One deal.  This is not to say that Mrs. Clinton wasn't already corrupted before that.
Semper Fi
A. Jones Added Jul 15, 2018 - 5:29pm
as it is a reflection of how things were 200 years ago.
 
Can you give us an example of something in the U.S. Constitution that was relevant 200 years ago but is irrelevant today specifically because of "new information" that we moderns supposedly have?
A. Jones Added Jul 15, 2018 - 5:32pm
I think most of the bots are hired by Big Business to rile up the working people who feel ripped off that all they do is work and debt keeps piling up.
 
Do you have some evidence for this? Or is it simply a hunch or a feeling?
 
If you have some evidence, provide it.
 
If it's just a hunch or feeling based on your own leftist worldview, why would anyone take it seriously, or waste time trying to refute it? A hunch or a feeling can't be refuted.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 15, 2018 - 7:55pm
re "I am not interested in the constitution all that much, as it is a reflection of how things were 200 years ago. We have a ton of new information now, so while some of it does apply to humanity in general, and that is good but it does not reflect the reality of the NOW.  "
 
200 years ago or not, the constitution is the law. If you don't have law you have despotism. This is when you get politicans and bankers having pizza parties with little kids.
  The term libtard does apply, because the intellectual classes of this country are among the most brainwashed and morally bankrupt people that have ever walked this planet.
  The proof that Marxism cannot work is simple. I will be doing a post on it soon. Its too bad that Liberal Phd's can't understand it and most of the scientific community thinks 9-11 was done by a bunch of Arabs flying planes into buildings. What a bunch of gutless retards.
  Take your holocaust goggles off Stephen, no way 6 million Jews were baked in ovens, Jewish population records don't reflect it. Enjoy your income tax, don't ask where it goes..
A. Jones Added Jul 15, 2018 - 7:59pm
Jewish population records don't reflect it.
 
Yes they do. Census records from before and after the war prove those numbers beyond the shadow of a doubt. 
 
You're simply afraid to do some honest homework.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 15, 2018 - 7:59pm
re "Denial is actually the first stage of accepting change. The second is anger."
 
You are not going to be around to see the change Stephen. Your skin is white and you are a Christian. The world is ruled by religion, not a bunch of rich folk, it always has been, it always will be, and must be because there is no other way to write law. The West is losing Christian law and getting secular (Talmudic) law. Talmudic law does not permit you or I to live unless we agree to complete iron yoke slavery, which many Noahides have.
  If you don't know what a Noahide is, you should stop posting, because you cannot pretend to be educated.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 15, 2018 - 8:00pm
BTW: Yes, it can happen here.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 15, 2018 - 8:29pm
I think "common folk" are the group that laps up conspiracy theory by declaring the conspiracies, like you peddle Plumb, true and easy fruit.   They seek easy answers to things puzzling them, and will accept "bumpersticker" explanations to complex problems.  The Sandyhook School Shooting Conspiracy, is a good example.  There are elements and a mix of 2nd amendment, mental health issues and the lack of "social restraints" missing in contemporary America, but a conspiracy negates a complex narrative by making the "School shootings are complex, Who knew???"statement  palatable and downright comforting, instead...
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 15, 2018 - 8:56pm
Ryck, I am thinking changes should be made by modifying laws to reflect the information and conditions present today. As opposed to lobby groups with a business interest to protect. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 15, 2018 - 9:03pm
Mr Jones do you also feel that the Russians do not use bots either? If they are using them, than so are the Business interests who will do anything to protect their precious marketshare. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 15, 2018 - 9:05pm
Doug, where did I say Marxism is the solution? Not in my world.
And why do you want me to stop posting? I am uneducated? Ok perhaps in your eyes but I do like to learn. :)
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 15, 2018 - 9:08pm
Thanks Jeff. I think they do live with a lot more fear and thus more susceptible to emotional manipulation. 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 15, 2018 - 9:16pm
Stephen, stop throwing around nonsense. The Sandy Hook shootings didn't happen. Look it up on the FBI statistics for shootings in 2012. No one died in Newtown that year. Really, its that obvious.
  Can you not even think? Does all information have to come from the TV set or some official source before you can believe it? Does it even need to make sense, like 9-11?
  What if they tell you the moon is made of cheese? Does that mean that someone has to disprove that the moon is made of cheese else you believe it? You can't believe someone pointing out the nonsense of the moon being made of cheese, because they are just simple minded conspiracy theorists. Never mind that cows can't breathe in space when you are told that - must of came off the internet.
 
re "Ryck, I am thinking changes should be made by modifying laws to reflect the information and conditions present today. As opposed to lobby groups with a business interest to protect. "
  I think you should read Plato's Republic, Plato had a proof against your utilitarianism that is as good as any before and most after. So does Rousseau, so does Kant, so does even Bentham for gawd sakes (says its the devil). The idea of utilitarianism has been around a lot longer than Mills or Bentham.
  You think the smartest people should lead mankind ? How about this: They have the greatest capacity for evil as well as good, so they need to be watched more carefully, not less.
  There is no way you are as dumb as you sound, and you can fool some of the people some of the time..
  Do you know what a Noahide is? Are you one ? Is that why you spread nonsense and pretend not to know better?
Doug Plumb Added Jul 15, 2018 - 9:17pm
re "They seek easy answers to things puzzling them, and will accept "bumpersticker" explanations to complex problems.  "
 
The truth is usually simple "Occams Razor" is usually true. Its the lies that get complex. The lies are always more complex than the truth.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 15, 2018 - 9:26pm
@A. Jones re "I think most of the bots are hired by Big Business to rile up the working people who feel ripped off that all they do is work and debt keeps piling up.
 
Do you have some evidence for this? Or is it simply a hunch or a feeling?"
 
Any method of psychological warfare is used by all sides.
 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 15, 2018 - 9:28pm
re "You make a good point Logical. Who is in charge of the truth? It does all boil down to people doing their diligence and checking out alternative POVs.  "
 
Western law is a product of work that has been going on since the Greeks. You can't possibly think that the modern cucked professor is smarter than 2500 years of development.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 15, 2018 - 9:32pm
My keyboard takes a beating sometimes when I write this stuff after reading some of these comments. Again, its like watching your neighbor rape a ten year old boy and not being able to do anything about it. Its exactly like that.
In a comment above, I wrote to Stephen, It was Jeffry that made the comment. I was going to go to bed, now I just need to hit something. How can people be so fucking stupid?
Doug Plumb Added Jul 15, 2018 - 9:45pm
"It is true that there have been references to the use of gas chambers in other reports; but these references have usually, if not always, been equally vague, and since they have concerned the extermination of Jews, have usually emanated from Jewish sources.

Personally, I have never really understood the advantage of the gas chamber over the simple machine gun, or the equally simple starvation method. These stories may or may not be true, but in any event I submit we are putting out a statement on evidence which is far from conclusive, and which we have no means of assessing
."

- Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, chairman of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, August 23, 1943 (Victor Cavendish-Bentinck Minute, August 23, 1943, Public Record office, FO 371/34551)
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 15, 2018 - 9:51pm
Doug, relax man, life is too short. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 15, 2018 - 11:04pm
Actually, Newtown happened, Doug.
 
Every mass shooting since Columbine had one or more of three factors involved.
 
1) porn use
2) Islam
3) psychotropic drugs.  
 
 
 
 
A. Jones Added Jul 15, 2018 - 11:39pm
Mr Jones do you also feel that the Russians do not use bots either?
 
I didn't mention my feelings about anything. I ASKED YOU TWO QUESTIONS. Answer the questions (I guess I'll have to repeat them for you):
 
1) Can you give us an example of something in the U.S. Constitution that was relevant 200 years ago but is irrelevant today specifically because of "new information" that we moderns supposedly have? Yes or no?
 
2) Do you have some evidence that "Big Business" uses "bots" to "rile up working people"? Yes or no?
Doug Plumb Added Jul 16, 2018 - 5:45am
A. Jones: The goyim is under bankruptcy ()1933) and is now governed by Talmudic law. Under Talmudic law, the goyim have no rights, including the right to self defense.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 16, 2018 - 5:46am
re "Actually, Newtown happened, Doug.
 
Every mass shooting since Columbine had one or more of three factors involved.
 
1) porn use
2) Islam
3) psychotropic drugs.  
"
 
I guess I stand corrected becuase everyone knows these three things automatically mean mass shootings, and there is the fact that TV never lies.
 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 16, 2018 - 5:47am
I wonder why the Sandy Hood shootings aren't in FBI statistics. Is it one of those 9-11 "We don't put the names of terrorists on flight manifests" things?
Doug Plumb Added Jul 16, 2018 - 5:49am
re "Doug, where did I say Marxism is the solution? Not in my world.
And why do you want me to stop posting? I am uneducated? Ok perhaps in your eyes but I do like to learn. :)  "
 
Marxism is just a rebranded utilitarianism. There is nothing new under the sun.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 16, 2018 - 7:06am
Mr. Jones;
1)the right to bear arms- nuclear weapons were not invented 200 years ago. 
2) If I had absolute proof that Big Business were using bots, then they would be exposed by now. However having spent over 37 years working in the Corporate world, one starts to understand how the masses get manipulated by fear mostly, by using mass media advertising using emotional messages. The internet opens up so many possibilities to do this. 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 16, 2018 - 7:11am
Doug, while I agree that patterns in history do tend to repeat themselves, new shit does happen. For example, when Galileo invented the telescope, the scholars and religious elders of the day refused to look through it. They were not interested in exploring the new knowledge that the sun does NOT revolve around the earth. 
What is important is not to repeat the patterns of mistakes made, like a populist leader who quickly devolves to a Totalitarian.  
Jeff Michka Added Jul 16, 2018 - 9:46am
Doug, your "conspiracy world" is bullshit, and "FBI stats "prove" Sandyhook was a conspiracy.  And of course, moon landings.  Gee, moon must be made of cheese if YOU say so, Plumbed Doug,  I know you Kant admot your paranoia, and know, as Stephan just notewd, you thrive and help support the "common folk's: fear world:  We're soooooo scared, "They" are out to get us!!!  And if ol Orange turd gets his way, he'll be president for life.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 16, 2018 - 10:32am
Stephen re "What is important is not to repeat the patterns of mistakes made, like a populist leader who quickly devolves to a Totalitarian.    "
 
Setting the common law aside in favor of utilitarianism is a well understood mistake, not something new.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 16, 2018 - 11:14am
Exactly Jeff. There is nothing to fear but fear itself, however so many want others to be fearful, like them. Because if we are not we are all gonna die! Newsflash- we are all gonna die someday, so why live a life of worry? 
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 16, 2018 - 11:18am
Doug the problem with terms like 'utilitarianism', Marxism, Facism, et al, is that they mean different things to different people, making it a challenge to communicate. 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 16, 2018 - 12:06pm
Utilitarianism has a specific meaning: The greatest happiness for the greatest number. We leave it up to our rulers to decide what that means and how it is to be implemented. Currently it means us struggling at 50 hours a week to make ends meet, paying "tax" that is really robbery (income tax on wages), while being stupified by fluoride in water, poisoned food (aspertame now called "Natural Flavor") and a media that spreads ridiculous propaganda in an environment that makes it politically incorrect not to believe it - And them sitting on 500 million dollar yaughts eating pizza with children. That is how it usually gets implemented. Its how people operate when they don't have limits on their behaviors.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 16, 2018 - 12:12pm
Ever wonder why all these new court houses are being constructed all over the continent ? How come no one knows what is in those multi-floored basements ? Why is it such a secret ? Have you seen "The Checkist" ? Why can't it happen here ?
They couldn't sell the 6 million Jew fable until we got TV, it had been tried numerous times before, including ww1, why do they keep pushing that? What is the significance of 6 million? What does "New World Order" mean when people like Bush and Clinton say it?
Doug Plumb Added Jul 16, 2018 - 12:20pm
What does Noahide mean? What rights do Christians have under Jewish law?
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 16, 2018 - 5:38pm
Doug, this, I TOTALLY agree with... Currently it means us struggling at 50 hours a week to make ends meet, paying "tax" that is really robbery (income tax on wages), while being stupified by fluoride in water, poisoned food (aspertame now called "Natural Flavor") and a media that spreads ridiculous propaganda in an environment that makes it politically incorrect not to believe it - And them sitting on 500 million dollar yaughts eating pizza with children. That is how it usually gets implemented. Its how people operate when they don't have limits on their behaviors. 
A. Jones Added Jul 16, 2018 - 6:24pm
Mr. Jones;
1)the right to bear arms- nuclear weapons were not invented 200 years ago. 
 
Mr. Hunter:
What does the existence of nukes in a military stockpile have to do with my right to own (and carry) a hammerless-38 revolver for my own protection? Nothing.

2) If I had absolute proof that Big Business were using bots, then they would be exposed by now. 
 
Therefore, you do not have any evidence that Big Business uses bots to "rile" up the masses. QED.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 16, 2018 - 9:02pm
re "Doug, this, I TOTALLY agree with... "
 
So why does this happen?  I have had friends that could afford 10 million dollar yaughts, they have the same concerns as ordinary people. They are not rulers, they don't like to see people starve, etc.
  I don't think that Bill Gates or Steve Jobs is behind the harassment people receive from cops "show us your ID". Wars aren't being fought on their behalf.
  There is a Master Race that is above question. Its time to start questioning.
A. Jones Added Jul 16, 2018 - 11:03pm
 I have had friends that could afford 10 million dollar yaughts
 
What the hell are "yaughts"?
Doug Plumb Added Jul 17, 2018 - 12:36am
Big boats that rich people own. Are you the spelling police?
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jul 17, 2018 - 10:51am
But, many can afford rubber duckies for their tubbie time. 25 cents each at garage sales. 
A. Jones Added Jul 17, 2018 - 7:37pm
Big boats that rich people own. Are you the spelling police?
 
Oh, you mean "yachts".
 
To misspell "yachts" as "yaughts" is not an example of a typo. It's an example of illiteracy.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 17, 2018 - 8:41pm
I'm illiterate then.
A. Jones Added Jul 18, 2018 - 4:40am
I'm illiterate then.
 
Thank you, Captain Obvious!
 
Tell us something we don't know.

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