THE END OF MY COLLABORATION WITH WRITER BEAT

I wrote message to Autumn Cote with the following content:

 

Autumn Cote,

After I posted a comment to The Massive Success of Socialism in Britain !!
by opher goodwin, Ryan Messano's comment was as follows:


Ryan Messano
 Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:06pm

Follow Me

 

Uh, Oh.  You left your post, Avocado.  Now you have to play with the big boys.

What country are you from anyway?  Probably one of the hellholes in Latin America, I'm guessing.  The common people bow down to frauds like you, and you love it, and lead them right to destruction, with your fancy frippery, and high falutin' language.  I detest you intellectual frauds. 

The Free market works, the problem is that America's virtues were corrupted.  We are getting them back, and we don't need socialism.  Thanks but no thanks. 

I recommend you read Victor Davis Hanson.  He understands the history of socialism very well and repudiates it thoroughly.  Since you are enchanted with names and titles, Rufus Fears is another source that will teach you a thing or two. 

Your entire argument leaves out virtue, and it is human corruption that leads to the problems in capitalism.  Socialism will never work, and always leads to communism, and that filthy degenerate Marx.

Why haven't you read five biographies of America's Founders, so you can comment on America's history, instead of being blown to smithereens by Americans with no college experience whatsoever.  The problem with your country is the people don't read.  That's a big problem here too.  You aren't used to someone with no title and no university education demolishing your arguments, and so you petulantly refuse to talk to them, like a little boy.  Well, put your big boy pants on and get used to it, Avocado, because you are going to see a lot more of it.

 

My response to Ryan Messano's comment was this:


Fernando Alcoforado
 Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:39pm

Follow Me

 

Ryan mud. I'm not going to answer your stupid words so as not to go down to the intellectual mud in which you find yourself and in respect to opher goodwin who published his article to discuss at a high level. You're like a dog barking while the caravan passes by.

Because there is no code of ethics among Writer Beat developers that avoids irrational behavior like Ryan Messano's, I made the decision to stop collaborating with Writer Beat because I'm not willing to deal with low-level people like is the case of Ryan Messano. Thank you for your attention. Sincerely,

 

FERNANDO ALCOFORADO

Comments

Leroy Added Jul 9, 2018 - 5:39pm
You just have to ignore some people, Fernando.  And, if they clutter up your own posts, just delete them.  Ryan seems to have lost his marbles.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 9, 2018 - 5:55pm
Fernando, I wish you would stay. It is clearly his objective to destroy the this place
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 5:56pm
Like Leroy said it's best to just ignore lying Ryan. He's a punk bully shit disturber that thrives on deception and chaos. Don’t let him chase you away. 
Neil Lock Added Jul 9, 2018 - 6:01pm
Fernando: Ah yes, about Mr. Messiano. I think you are too kind to him. He has destroyed several threads here already. Though you and I differ on many fundamentals, our discourse has always been polite.
 
For me, it isn't about him being "low-level," it's about the way he treats others. He treats people without respect, and often tries to bait them into saying things they will regret later. Opher and even Stone-Eater have suffered from this recently.
 
Ryan did try to bait me once, and my response was merely to add one letter into his surname. As you see above.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 9, 2018 - 6:24pm
Fernando, you are going to get this in any free political speech. Watch Canadian Parliament sometime. I like avocado.
 
Politics is not for those with a thin skin.
William Stockton Added Jul 9, 2018 - 6:32pm
Fernando, I appreciate your writing here.  
 
I have had to develop a Teflon disposition when addressing comments here.  Even reading articles can raise the hairs on my neck.
 
I write here to better form my own ideas.  I always learn something new about myself and the world.  Perhaps this alone might be enough for you to rescind your WB retirement and if you do, please note that this article is another weight on the scale of public opinion -- where the vast majority of readers agree with you.
Leroy Added Jul 9, 2018 - 6:47pm
The poor lad has lost his mind tilting at so many windmills at once.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 7:05pm
If you can’t take the heat in the kitchen, get the heck out.
 
Why are you men sympathizing with a grown cry baby?  
 
This totalitarian deleted my comments, gets some heat, and crumples like a cheap suit.
 
”Fire is the test of gold, adversity of a strong man”
Seneca
 
Badlose is next.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 9, 2018 - 7:08pm
Well, Ryan has accomplished a goal: to drive people away from WB and sadly got one, but doubt Fernando will move over to Lyin Ryan's "website," like Ryan wants more here to do.  I  do enjoy the site and effeminate sound of Ryan getting rightfully thrown out of a public meeting.  Alpha male Ryan?? Hahahahaha...he's just an online coward.
William Stockton Added Jul 9, 2018 - 7:26pm
Why are you men sympathizing with a grown cry baby?  
 
No, Ryan.  The only question one should be asking is why you are here if you alienate yourself into a force of one with these types of comments.  Moreso, how that (you being your only ally) in any way, allows you to influence people when everyone (but you) will stop reading your work.
 
To me, it looks a lot like harassment.  On those grounds, you should be expelled.
Pardero Added Jul 9, 2018 - 8:04pm
Fernando Alcoforado,
I am not in agreement with you on some issues, but read your erudite articles with great interest. 
 
It would be a keen loss to have an international scholar and expert leave. Please consider using the delete function for comments that are vulgar, offensive, or depart from your subject material. Hecklers and bullies are only encouraged when they succeed in silencing rational voices.
A. Jones Added Jul 9, 2018 - 8:19pm
I made the decision to stop collaborating with Writer Beat because I'm not willing to deal with low-level people like is the case of Ryan Messano.
 
Don't go away mad, Fernando. Just go away.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 8:32pm
My voice is deeper than Tyson’s, Michka, and I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t want to catch a hot one from him.  Wild Bill, you have some nerve sympathizing with Avocado, when you are an evil and degenerate liar.  Also, Jeff pathetically endorses full blown attacks on the First Amendment.  Small wonder, since Michka is woefully under informed on American history.  He is a menace to society at the voting booth. 
 
And where are you at, William, to call out the wicked filth that pours out of Michkas, Badlose, and Travils mouths?  Nowhere, that’s where. So exactly how is your criticism expected to be taken seriously? 
 
Im on the side of history and virtue, William, wonder whose side you are on? 
 
One man with God is a majority.
 
In case you haven’t noticed, William, there is an appetite for honest blunt truth, even if it’s not coming from your direction.  
 
Besides, you should only be concerned about whether your conscience approves of you, not what the masses say.  Let WB Judge Williams hypocrisy.  Thinks I’m harrassing people, but has no issue with lies, profanity, and filth that comes from Badlose, Travil, Stokeand Michka, the WB Filthy Four. 
Pardero Added Jul 9, 2018 - 8:44pm
Jones,
While your juvenile and stale wisecrack is not unexpected, you must be bright enough to realize that we are fortunate to have such an esteemed scholar and thinker in our midst, no matter what your politics, which I assume is some variation of neocon.
 
I am disappointed, but not surprised, that you approve of the heckling and bullying. In real life, such activities would get a person removed, so that civil discourse and debate could continue. It is a shame that the internet provides a forum for pimple-faced brats to spout off, when they should be listening.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 9, 2018 - 8:49pm
You really are a worthless, dare I say it, fuckhead. Ryan.   Ryan always tries to hide behind gawd and "truth," but doesn't succeed.   and all your talk about virtue is nothing but an admission you have no virtue.  As to your demeanor, I'm not really worried or concerned about your punches, but if anyone were to use it as a measure, you sound,look and act like your gay. Ithink the gay community calls someone like you a "queen." Was that a public meeting ruse to keep you from getting beaten up?  Idiot, you know absolutely nothing about strength or courage.  You cut and run as fast as you can when it suits, and like your arch-hypocrite buddy TraitorLynn, duck and dodge, hide and "try" to make yourself appear human and rational, but fail miserably on your sales job, insurance man...read insurance man=used car dealer ethic with policies.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 8:51pm
Thank you Jones, that was much needed.  I don't find that stale at all, Pardero.  Fernando wants to boast he is some expert or something, a self proclaimed one at that, and then picks up his toys and runs home when he experiences criticism.  If he really believed in his ideas, he'd take the criticism.  I take it daily from Michka, Travil, and Badlose, and it doesn't bother me, and it's a lot more vile than anything Fernando has experienced.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 8:55pm
Also, witness how Fernando had no criticism of Michka, Badlose, and Travil, who have filthy mouths and lie constantly, but has a serious issue with me, when I never lied and never use profanity.  Why is that?  Because totalitarian types like him love rabblerousing troublemakers like the aforementioned three, just as Hitler loved the brownshirts.  These are cats paws for Fernando's type. 
 
 
Aesop, "The Monkey And The Cat"
Once upon a time a Cat and a Monkey lived as pets in the same house. They were great friends and were constantly in all sorts of mischief together. What they seemed to think of more than anything else was to get something to eat, and it did not matter much to them how they got it.
One day they were sitting by the fire, watching some chestnuts roasting on the hearth. How to get them was the question.
"I would gladly get them," said the cunning Monkey, "but you are much more skillful at such things than I am. Pull them out and I'll divide them between us."
Pussy stretched out her paw very carefully, pushed aside some of the cinders, and drew back her paw very quickly. Then she tried it again, this time pulling a chestnut half out of the fire. A third time and she drew out the chestnut. This performance she went through several times, each time singeing her paw severely. As fast as she pulled the chestnuts out of the fire, the Monkey ate them up.
Now the master came in, and away scampered the rascals, Mistress Cat with a burnt paw and no chestnuts. From that time on, they say, she contented herself with mice and rats and had little to do with Sir Monkey.
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 8:57pm
More hypocrisy.  Look at how the men who criticize me sit silently as the filthy mouthed liar Michka vents.  Total hypocrisy.  Shame on you William and the rest of you. 
TexasLynn Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:02pm
I'm kind-of in the Leroy camp on this.  Suck it up, ignore those you hate, and use the delete function.  Encourage others to use the delete function if you want.  The marketplace of ideas will take care of the rest.
 
As long as the likes of Jeff Michka has access to WB... NOBODY is beyond the pale.  I find it interesting that you lefties have your panties all in a wad over Ryan... and don't even bat an eye at Michka.  Bull@#$%!
 
My response to Michka is to point out the obvious again, and again, and again...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Jeff Michka commenting on your post is like a dog #$@%ing on your article.
 
Reading a Jeff Michka comment is like inspecting a pile of dog #$@% for something of value.
 
Replying to a Jeff Michka comment is like intentionally stepping in dog #$@%.
 
Best to just acknowledge him and his #$@% as #$@% and ignore it as best you can.
 
If you think the same about ANYBODY else (including me).  Ignore him/her... don't read anything they post (including comments) and delete to your hearts content.  It' not rocket science...  Aren’t you guys supposed to be “qualified” college professors or something?
 
Opher had the right idea... just quit responding and post the same comment/link to make your point you’re not going to tolerate him/her anymore.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:05pm
 
Precisely, Texas.  What's right is not always popular, and what is popular is not always right, and no man is hated more than he who tells the truth.
 
I hope Fernando stays, as he can learn and probably share a lot.  Godless secular humanism has just murdered 100 million people, and that's why I so fiercely assail his ideas.  We've already tried it and it never works. 
 
Here is why he and others don't like what I have to say,  John 3:
 
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:06pm
And Leroy, why is it that I seem so bad to you, yet the WB Filthy Foursome, Stone, Badlose, Travil, and Michka don't bother you?
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:09pm
Neil, I don't destroy anything.  People choose how they respond.  Juvenile responses destroy themselves.  People are like tea bags.  Hot water reveals what they are made of.  Get someone angry and you'll find out what they are really like.  It takes a lot of being deluded to think Badlose and Stone are being persecuted when they are the ones doing the persecuting. 
 
Malcolm X warned you long ago, and you should heed his warning, "If you're not careful, the media will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:23pm
Please pardon me posting filth, but to highlight the utter hypocrisy of the men who agree with Fernando, read these comments and look at what they tolerate, and then read mine.  Then explain to me whose is worse.
 
James Travil
 
Added Jul 9, 2018 - 4:08am
F*** you and your commands you devil f***! I don't take orders from anyone, especially fake Christians! 
Added Jul 9, 2018 - 3:02am
 
I rejected the hypocrisy of the Christian culture and puritanical "if it makes you feel good it's a sin" bullshit in my late teens when I became a Satanist. I've read numerous scientific medical studies about cannabis that disprove all of the nutty DEA lies that lying Ryan is pushing here. If he was honest (never going to happen) he would admit that he only opposes cannabis because it brings pleasure like sex which he also opposes for the same reason. Christian fundys are demented sadists - F*** THEM ALL! I don't answer to them or their ilk. I follow the legitimate laws of the country and here in the Great state of Washington cannabis is legal. Plus I have a legitimate prescription for it for my PTSD that I got serving our country in Desert Storm. So lying Ryan and others like him can kiss my ass. He is a sniveling little b**** of a fake man and fake everything. If you take marching orders from him or his like or otherwise relinquish your sovereignty to such a rat fuck or his false "god" you are a true fool. Not me, now or ever. 
 
Jeff Michka; Full of his usual profanity and lies
 
You really are a worthless, dare I say it, f***head. Ryan.   Ryan always tries to hide behind gawd and "truth," but doesn't succeed.   and all your talk about virtue is nothing but an admission you have no virtue.  As to your demeanor, I'm not really worried or concerned about your punches, but if anyone were to use it as a measure, you sound,look and act like your gay. Ithink the gay community calls someone like you a "queen." Was that a public meeting ruse to keep you from getting beaten up?  Idiot, you know absolutely nothing about strength or courage.  You cut and run as fast as you can when it suits, and like your arch-hypocrite buddy TraitorLynn, duck and dodge, hide and "try" to make yourself appear human and rational, but fail miserably on your sales job, insurance man...read insurance man=used car dealer ethic with policies.
 
Opher Goodwin
 
Child - silly t***. You are an embarrassment. You are out of your depth and have nothing worth listening too. F*** off you silly boy. You are deluded and nothing seems to penetrate your ignorant mind.
 
Messy anus - you are a complete fool. You can't even see the stupidity of your position.
 
Yup, opher, Stone and several others here are "too good for you," Lyin Ryan.  Have some rough sex with your husband, Vinny.  You might "feel better."  And since you are busy chasing people off WB, have WBers flooded your stupid rightist "news" website loaded with stolen material for content?  Autumn may have welcomed you back to boost her numbers, but why do you think people will flock to get abused by you, Xtain dog.  Remember how you ran from a Muslim here because you couldn't prop up any of your hate comments with any facts, and turned the discussion over to another Xtain, Dawn Something.  Another mindless Xtain that was marginally more polite, but equally wrong.  You lost and she lost to a Muslim, remember.  Your hate s*** is really weak, like you.  Put those legs together, we've got only one nail left, Lyin Ryan.
 
This is just a fraction of the abusive lies and profanity I have had to endure from these wicked characters.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:25pm
Keep in mind, I never used profanity towards them, nor did I lie about them, yet no one has an issue with them doing it to me.  What is wrong with this picture?
Kurt Bresler Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:26pm
I am leaving my comment in an Article called-
 
          "Won't you teach me how to cry and Whine."
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:29pm
 
Thank you Kurt, I appreciate that not all conservatives have fallen for the liberal temper tantrum.  I eagerly anticipate it.  The twelve liberals on here could really use that article, and the conservatives taking Fernando's side can use it too.
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:30pm
Who gives a shit if someone uses profanity when in the presence of a fake conservative (fascist) phoney "Christian" like lying Ryan. If he tried his bullshit in the real world he would get his ass handed to him, so the punk coward hides behind a keyboard. Pathetic! 
Leroy Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:30pm
"And Leroy, why is it that I seem so bad to you, yet the WB Filthy Foursome, Stone, Badlose, Travil, and Michka don't bother you?"
 
Because I know you are better than that.  You used to be civil.  You have the mind and the skill to rise above it all.  It is no great honor to be no worse than someone you abhor.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:31pm
Ryan will gladly teach you how to suck his dick, "Kurt."  Ryan's same sex marriage should be enough for all you gawdists and "true conservatives. "  You, Ryan, are what's "wrong" with this picture, just plain wrong.  Klennix?  Vinny's spurted "manhood" is dribbling down your chin.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:35pm
“Harsh and direct disagreement places thought under pressure. That’s its point. Pressure can be intellectually productive: being forced to look closely at arguments against a beloved position helps those who hold it to burnish and buttress it as often as it moves them to abandon it. But pressure also causes pain and fear; and when those under pressure find these things difficult to bear, they’ll sometimes use any means possible to make the pressure and the pain go away. They feel unsafe, threatened, put upon, and so they react by deploying the soft violence of the law or the harder violence of the aggressive and speech-denying protest. Both moves are common enough in our élite universities now, as is their support by the powers that be. Tolerance for intellectual pain is less than it was. So is tolerance for argument.” Paul J. Griffiths
 
This seems appropriate,
 
Thank you Jeff and James for demonstrating your demented natures again.
 
I do not stoop to their level, Leroy.  I do not lie about them, and do not use profanity.  They deserve severe censure, and if everyone gave it to them, they'd stop their antics.  Putting up with their evil is a mark against the virtuous.  It's funny how I get more condemnation than they do for their filth.  Where are people's standards at?   
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:51pm
TexasLynn is one of the most consistent on here on calling out Michka, but why haven't you, Leroy?  Why haven't William?  Pardero has.  Doug has somewhat.  James is just as bad as Michka, so he'd be a hypocrite.  Mustafa encourages dissension, and is a snake, not to be trusted.  He has zero standards, just like Muhammad.  Neil is also silent on Michka.
Pardero Added Jul 9, 2018 - 9:55pm
Ryan Messano,
I do not appreciate the profanity coming from anyone, whether allies and associates, or ideological adversaries. While I use profanity sparingly, and only occasionally, I try not to cross the line into something that diminishes Writer Beat. 
 
It could be, that your abrasive style is PERCEIVED as a vulgar verbal attack, although the profanity isn't actually present, and writers are responding in what they believe is the same manner.
 
Sometimes, I have been angered by comments, and the delay for putting into written words is insufficient to get my emotions completely under control. I am not surprised that you have provoked some into irrational anger. I would like to see you use logic, reason, and persuasion more, and condemnation less. People will respond in kind.
 
Fernando Alcoforado is a polite and civil man, and your vicious attacks are unwarranted. If you differ with him, debate his ideas civilly.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:00pm
Socrates was abrasive too.  Everyone who tells the truth is.  Can't be helped.  Trump tells the truth with profanity, and personal attacks on appearance.  I never do that. 
 
Fernando is a stubborn intellectual, who refuses to talk with "commoners" as he believes his ideas are too "intellectual" to be comprehended by us.  Such thinking was behind the mass murders of 100 million in the last century.  So I have little patience with it.  If he gets his feelings hurts, and his ruinous ideas are shut down, I'm not troubled in the least. 
 
Here is Socrates farewell speech.
 
I do not know, my fellow Athenians, how you were affected by my accusers whom you just heard. But they spoke so persuasively they almost made me forget who I was. Yet they hardly uttered a word of truth.
But many of you are thinking, "Then what is the origin of these accusations, Socrates?" That is a fair question. Let me explain their origins— Some of you know my good friend Chaerephon. Before he died he went to Delphi and asked the religious oracle there to tell him who the wisest man in the world was. The oracle answered that there was no man wiser than Socrates.
When I learned this, I asked myself, "What can the god's oracle mean?" For I knew I had no wisdom. After thinking it over for a long time, I decided that I had to find a man wiser than myself so I could go back to the god's oracle with this evidence. So I went to see a politician who was famous for his wisdom. But when I questioned him, I realized he really was not wise, although many people—he especially—thought he was. So I tried to explain to him that although he thought himself wise, he really was not. But all that happened was that he came to hate me. And so did many of his supporters who overheard us. So I left him, thinking to myself as I left that although neither of us really knew anything about what is noble and good, still I was better off. For he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows, while I neither know nor think that I know. And in this I think I have a slight advantage.
Then I went to another person who had even greater pretensions to wisdom. The result was exactly the same: I made another enemy. In this way I went to one man after another and made more and more enemies. I felt bad about this and it frightened me. But I was compelled to do it because I felt that investigating god's oracle came first. I said to myself, I must go to everyone who seems to be wise so I can find out what the oracle meant.
My hearers imagine that I myself possess the wisdom which I find lacking in others. But the truth is, Men of Athens, that only god is wise. And by his oracle he wanted to show us that the wisdom of men is worth little or nothing. It is as if he was telling us, "The wisest man is the one who, like Socrates, knows that his wisdom is in truth worth nothing." And so I go about the world obedient to god. I search and question the wisdom of anyone who seems to be wise. And if he is not wise, then to clarify the meaning of the oracle I show him that he is not wise. My occupation completely absorbs me and I have no time for anything else. My devotion to the god has reduced me to utter poverty.
There is something more. Young men of the richer classes, who do not have much to do, follow me around of their own accord. They like to hear pretenders exposed. And sometimes they imitate me by examining others themselves. They quickly discover that there are plenty of people who think they know something but who really know nothing at all. Then those people also get angry at me. "This damnable Socrates is misleading our youth!" they say. And if somebody asks them, "How? What evil things does he do or teach them?" they cannot say.
But in order not to appear at a loss, these people repeat the charges used against all philosophers: that we teach obscure things up in the clouds, that we teach atheism, and that we make the worst views appear to be the best. For people do not like to admit that their pretensions to knowledge have been exposed. And that, fellow Athenians, is the origin of the prejudices against me.
But some of you will ask, "Don't you regret what you did since now it might mean your death?" To these I answer, "You are mistaken. A good man should not calculate his chances of living or dying. He should only ask himself whether he is doing right or wrong—whether his inner self is that of a good man or of an evil one."
And if you say to me, "Socrates, we will let you go free but only on condition that you stop your questioning," then I will reply, "Men of Athens, I honor and love you. But I must obey god rather than you, and while I have life and strength I will never stop doing philosophy." For my aim is to persuade you all, young and old alike, not to think about your lives or your properties, but first and foremost to care a
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:01pm
bout your inner self. I tell you that wealth does not make you good within, but that from inner goodness comes wealth and every other benefit to man. This is my teaching, and if it corrupts youth, then I suppose I am their corrupter.
Well, my fellow Athenians, you must now decide whether to acquit me or not. But whichever you do, understand that I will never change my ways, not even if I have to die many rimes. To talk daily about what makes us good, and to question myself and others, is the greatest thing man can do. For the unexamined life is not worth living.
[At this point Socrates rested his case. The jury debated among themselves and then, in a split vote, they reached their final verdict.]
Men of Athens, you have condemned me to death. To those of you who are my friends and who voted to acquit me let me say that death may be a good thing. Either it is a state of nothingness and utter unconsciousness, or, as some people say, it is merely a migration from this world to another. If it is complete unconsciousness— like a sleep undisturbed even by dreams—then death will be an unspeakable gain. And if it is a journey to anodier world where all the dead live, then it will also be a great good. For then I can continue my search into true and false knowledge: In the next world, as in this one, I can continue questioning the great people of the past to find out who is wise and who merely pretends to be. So do not be saddened by death. No evil can happen to a good man either in this life or in death.
Well, the hour of departure has arrived, and we must each go our ways. I to die, and you to live. Which is better only god knows.
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:04pm
Pardero Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:08pm
Ryan Messano,
You are mistaken about Mustafa Kemal, and owe him an apology. He is a thoughtful man who was attempting to open a dialogue with you using the dialectic. 
You purposely provoked the rest, and wish to play the persecuted victim.
 
You mistook Mustafa's attempts at civil discourse for something sinister.
 
Ryan, it doesn't have to be 'us vs. them.' There is evil in the world that should be confronted, but I doubt if you will find it here. We are a collection of individuals with disparate views and outlooks, but none are exactly the embodiment of evil, not even the neocon warmongers.
William Stockton Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:37pm
Why haven't William? 
 
I have called Michka out.  As of late, he has toned it down considerably compared to years past IMO. 
 
JUST TONE IT DOWN DUDE!  Why is that a hard concept?  You raise your fist at everyone here.
EXPAT Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:37pm
I never read or comment on Fernando's attempts to impress the weaker minds on WB with obscure dialog. I never experienced any thought provoking statements from him.
 
Ryan, on the other hand provides thought provoking dialog, as expressed by the animosity directed to him. I have had many interesting exchanges of ideas with him. He despises my morality and life style, but he explains why, rather than just name calling as many do, make that most do, here.
 
I do wish Ryan would lessen the name calling, he engages in with people who are only capable of name calling. I don't like the term ad homonym, it is snobbish, like calling shit, fecal material.
 
I will not miss the Gay Dracula.
James Travil Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:44pm
The reason so many people are against Ryan is simply because he is against them. He makes enemies of anyone who differs with his narrow extremist views. Attacks them then like the hypocrite he is, complains when those he attacks retaliates. If he can't force you to believe as he does and do only what he approves of (even in your private life) you are his enemy, by his own choice. When you choose to make enemies of others you have enemies, it's really not that hard to understand. 
William Stockton Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:48pm
Mathew 10:16 would go a long way here, Ryan.  Pay heed if you please.
TexasLynn Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:53pm
EXPAT >> I will not miss the Gay Dracula.
 
I just blew my drink out my nose... you #$^$%!  Now that's making a point I'll remember... :)
 
We really should have monthly awards for best post, comment, and one-liners... 
 
... we could give participation awards to the lefties... huh... :) ... huh?
 
Tough crowd...
 
TexasLynn Added Jul 9, 2018 - 10:55pm
Is it OK to have the (use your own imagination) cursing?  Or is that too juvenile?  Not that I really care what you $%&*ards think.
A. Jones Added Jul 9, 2018 - 11:15pm
you must be bright enough to realize that we are fortunate to have such an esteemed scholar and thinker in our midst
 
I've heard that often . . . but only from Fernando (which I explain as being a case of simple "Special Pleading" on his part, and therefore not worth much). 
 
I judge scholarship by three criteria:
 
1) originality;
2) internal coherence (i.e., logical consistency);
3) external correspondence (i.e., reference to reality).
 
Fernando's sophomoric, Utopian, "One World, "One Neck for One Leash" scenarios display none of those three traits. They are the product of an immature grasp of politics and a non-existent grasp of economics.
 
, no matter what your politics, which I assume is some variation of neocon.
 
Surprise! I'm a liberal (in the traditional, classical meaning of that term). Something quite different from your own misguided adherence to fascist planning by failed economies (fascist Italy and Nazi Germany) from the 1930s.
 
In real life, such activities would get a person removed, so that civil discourse and debate could continue. It is a shame that the internet provides a forum for pimple-faced brats to spout off, when they should be listening.
 
Got news for you, redneck hick: WB is real life. Don't believe in free speech? Too bad. Here's some useful advice:
 
Go fuck yourself.
 
Useful advice and fun, too. Enjoy it!
Stone-Eater Added Jul 9, 2018 - 11:32pm
Bye Fernando. Pity you leave. But all the best. To the comments:
 
Yawn. We know Ryboy. I for myself won't communicate with him anymore. Period. Over and out.
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jul 9, 2018 - 11:52pm
I would like to thank all those who have expressed their support for me in this debate about the end of my contribution to the WB. I regret that I can no longer share and discuss at high-level with intelligent people the issues that we have all brought to the debate at WB. I hope later to return to the WB when there is a code of ethics that prevents behaviors incompatible with the respect that people deserve. I am accustomed in my experience as a teacher and consultant in Latin America and Europe to participate in debates in workshops, seminars and on the Internet with interlocutors who, even in disagreement with our vision of the world, have always acted in a respectful way. I finish, registering my brotherly embrace of Autumn Cote and all who make WB at a high level.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jul 9, 2018 - 11:56pm
While I find the premise of your writing diametric to reality I too am sorry to read your announcement. WB will be the worse for your departure. 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:06am
A. Jones, 
re:" redneck hick: WB is real life."
 
You have to be kidding. 
 
 WB is anything but real life, it is something like an internet blog.
 
 If it was real life you might have your useful advice shoved right up your ass.   If it was real life, I suspect Ryan would behave a ho lot different! On my sinister days Ive often thought about how fun it would be to invite him over to the neighborhood  so he can meet mi vecino and make some friends, LOL. BTW, Im damn sure Pardero will hang just fine with mis cunyados. Why? because he has manners, certainly not because they share the same echo chamber. As for you A.Jones, I dont think you are so stupid so i suspect you also will modify your behavior when you get to real life.
 
Finally,   I  also hear Ryan spout off about
"Don't believe in free speech?".
 
Maybe you contsitutional scholars can correct me, you know, the ones who have read  those 5 biographies, but I think you are not protected here on WB.
 
Free vitriol and abuse, painted up and hawked off as a 
 
"market place of ideas"
 
with a dash of wisdom and virtue.
Here is an example of virtue and wisdom
 
Ryan Messano: "If you want the right to vote, then GO EDUCATE YOURSELF, YOU LAZY HUSSY"
 
Maybe some constutional scholars, you know those same ones,
can say something about the rationality of that? One could even start discussing profanity. I guess fuck is bad but HUSSY is ok.
 
Im just not hearing any ideas.  Its just flappin the gums.
 
Mustafa
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:14am
Fernando, I for one, enjoyed our little chat and think you bring a unique viewpoint. We didnt agree, but it didnt matter did it?
 
Mustafa
Kurt Bresler Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:14am
What a sob story Stone.... "Bye Fernando." 
  Perhaps Fernando should not be such a spoiled sport.  Get a life Fernando,  If you have anything to say .. say it.   If your just looking for a pat on the back then writing about controversial issues is something to stay away from.
Stone>>> Encourage Fernando don't  encourage his hobbling off with unrequited feelings. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:32am
On the contrary, Pardero, you are mistaken about Mufasa.  He actually acts like Scar, and waits until the time is right to strike.  I know his type.  Not to be trusted.  As long as he does not denounce Islam, and is enchanted by it, you can be sure there are some sly, serpentine, sinister plots afoot with that one.  As Muhammad was, so are his followers.  He questions up a storm, and vanishes when it comes time to examine what he actually knows on given topics, like, say, America’s Founders.  Then, he reviles those inquiring on his knowledge depth, as of depth of knowledge on a topic is so superficial and passé.  
 
 
Also, does anyone else pick up on Fernando’s Marxist elitist tendencies.  Just like India has a caste system, where you have Brahmins at the top, and untouchables at the bottom, this is Fernando’s idea.  This is why other nations, like Fernando’s are in such terrible shape.  There, they enforce their pride with guns.  He can’t do that here, but don’t be deceived.  If Fernando could have me banned, and kicked off the site, he would love that.  I have no issue with him being on here, as I know superior ideas will win out, and am not intimidated in the least, by his elitist bluster and boasts.  Notice how he mentions he “collaborates” with WB.  That means he thinks he is doing WB a favor by being here, and we peons ought to be properly grateful to have a great intellect like him among us.  This is why his type hates America, because we don’t put up with pretentious types, or royalty.  
 
Those who exalt themselves will be brought low.  Those who exalt God, shall be given honor and glory in this life and the next.  Pride goes before destruction.  Humility comes before honor.  
 
David wasn’t proud for attacking Goliath, he was outraged that a pagan should defy the most powerful entity in the universe.  If anyone thinks what I say to people is aggressive, it’s tame compared to David telling Goliath he was going to cut his head off with his own sword, and then went out and did it.  
 
Also, Pardero, we all have evil in ourselves.  Those are most dangerous who see it the least in themselves, for they are its slave.  Those are best who see it most in themselves and mourn the most for it.  Those who mourn are happy.  
 
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:35am
William, if Jeff turned it down lately,  I shudder to think what vile things he was saying before.  He has a defiled imagination.  
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:41am
Thank you for the compliment, Expat.  We have a lot in common.  I respect you, though you know we differ on points and why.  
 
I totally agree with you about Fernando.
 
Im not into noting personal 
Things, but I’ll be darned if I never resembled the garbs resemblance to Dracula before.  Like Texas, I found that hilarious, though I won’t repeat Jeff’s ridiculous nonsense and accuse him of being gay with zero evidence.  That said, male homosexuals are notorious for pretentiousness and prissiness, traits which Fernando demonstrates.  I wonder if Fernando can give us his opinion on the topic, as I haven’t heard him discuss a wife and kids, and Lord knows what whack sexual ideas one is into when the leftist universities get done mangling ones intellect.  
 
 
Flying Junior Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:44am
Estimado Señor Alcoforado,
 
Que lástima y que barbaridad de verle a ustéd, un caballero, tan maldito por esos muchachos sencillos y vengativos.  Entiendo bién las razónes que tiene ustéd para salirse del Writer Beat.
 
Ojalá que nos vemos de nuevo en el futuro no muy lejano.
 
Vaya con Diós, mi amigo.  Fue un gran placer conocerse a ustéd.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:44am
James, I thought we were all on here to seek the truth, not to ally with those who like us and tell us nice things about ourselves.  The name was WriterBeat, not the “Get Along Gang”.  The truth often does not care about your feelings.
 
Further, I never attacked you with any lies, nor did I use profanity against you. Yet, you shamelessly did this to me.  I only ask you extend the same courtesy to me that I extended to you.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:45am
Yes, Matthew 10:16 would go far, William, no one has been harmed by me, as words don’t hurt people, and the wisdom of a serpent is quite useful when dealing with people who are ruled by animal passions.
Flying Junior Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:46am
Bros,
 
The only thing that will work is a pact to simply ignore Ryan.
 
I'm willing.
 
FJ
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:47am
Completely agree with your entire comment, save the F-bomb, A. Jokes.  You’ve got a formidable verbal artillery, and it only detracts, IMHO.
 
TBH, and TBH can benefit from that sentiment too:).  
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:49am
Massa Stone, wat can de poor Messano do to lick de massas boots and get in his good graces again?
 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:49am
Ryan, It's my opinion that you should apologize to both Fernando and Autumn.
 
If you won't mind would you please do so as soon as possible? 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:51am
Humph, can anyone remember any great person in history who constantly talked about how “high level” they were?  I certainly can’t.  Fernando has been on about how ‘high level’he is since day one.  
 
Kings dont get miffed by slights, Fernando.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:54am
“While I find the premise of your writing diametric to reality”
lol, that about sums it up, Jeffry.  
 
I’m sad to see his highness leave too.  Kind of sad we won’t have royalty with us anymore. WB will sort of be a hick town without the university prestige Fernando brought.  How will we ever get along?
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:56am
Well, Donna is a lazy hussy, and doesn’t know beans about history, Mufasa, why does the blunt truth terrify you so much?  Women often appreciate it.
Flying Junior Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:56am
I'm the first guy to fly off the handle.  I actually was taught how to curse by sailors!  But I don't think that I use profanity in a wholesale where it is clearly not needed or appropriate.  I certainly do not curse at a person who is asking for more civil and informed discourse.  Politeness and decorum go a long way.  There are civilized people on the WB who actually still talk to me.
 
Would anyone feel a profound sense of loss if Messano was simply banned?  To me he is nothing more than a particularly aggressive and ill-considered super troll.
 
Ban Messano!  Yay!  Can I get a witness?
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:57am
Stone has a liberal heart that mourns for the frauds, and condemns the wise and just, it’s a particular affliction of liberals.  Spot on comment!
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:59am
Groupthink safe spaces, they already try it in colleges and it creates snowflakes, FJ.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 2:01am
Lolololol, FJ, your Spanish is hilarious, and shows you are one obsequious sycophant.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 2:03am
Apologize for what, Jeffry? 
 
Offending a wannabe socialist Comrade?
 
Hell will freeze over before that will happen.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 2:04am
And there you go.  Every liberal has a secret totalitarian screaming to get out, and FJs just busted out in a big way.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 2:09am
I would like to quote Doug.
 
He just have a brilliant comment, and I think it would be an injustice to deprive any on WB of seeing it.
 
”Because I depend on the ideas of others. I recognize that the great thinkers of the past are a lot better at this than me. So I read and think and pick what I think are the best of their ideas. When I fully understand all of their ideas, and have time to digest them all, maybe then I will come up with a good idea on my own. But there are too many people who think their ideas are as good as the great thinkers. We live in a narcissistic age and Lefties are especially the narcissistic fools.”
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:24am
Fernando - I have always appreciated your writing and I am sorry to hear that you are thinking of withdrawing.
This site should be a site for intelligent intellectual debate. Unfortunately that debate becomes extremely difficult when we have a number of low-lifes who are incapable of intelligent debate. They take a political position and recite the same old mantra rather than engage with intellect.
It would be a shame if these limited bullies get to win.
I have managed on occasion to enter into quite interesting discussions with people who hold very different views. We have both come to appreciate the other person's point of view and even agree on a number of things. That is when the site works.
Unfortunately extreme idiots like the child Messano are incapable of this. He is an example of a dangerous extremist. He has been brainwashed and abused through his childhood and has ended up as a very uptight repressed homosexual who is on the emotional edge. Incapable of entering into debate he resorts to attacking others. Don't allow such a fool to make you give up on the rest of us.
Please persevere.
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:31am
FJ - Yes I'd support that. Ban the boy! Ban the Troll! He's as extreme as ISIS and he's polluting this site with his foulness. I don't think this place can function while he's cluttering up the place with his invective.
Come on Autumn - in the name of intelligence - let's keep important people like Fernando and dump the chump!! He's an unpleasant Troll!!
It seems to me there's a choice. You either have a site that is a debating site or you have a site run by rude extreme bully boys.
I'd go for intelligence. There should be no room for Trolls. Just go take a look through his recent pusillanimous bombings on every thread. He contributes nothing of worth and merely seeks to try to drive people away. We can do without the disturbed child. 
Keep Fernando and dump Messano!! It would be a breath of fresh air!!
Flying Junior Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:45am
Hey genius boy!  Let's run my Spanish through the AI language bot and see how I did!  I didn't expect you to be able to read it.  I did it out of respect.  What is sycophantic?
 
Flying Junior Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:44 am
Follow Me
Dear Mr. Alcoforado,
 
What a pity and what a barbarity to see you, a gentleman, so cursed by those simple and vengeful boys. I understand the reasons why you have to leave the Writer Beat.
 
Hopefully we'll see each other again in the not too distant future.
 
Go with God my friend. It was a great pleasure to meet you.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:59am
Ryan,
"Lolololol, FJ, your Spanish is hilarious, and shows you are one obsequious sycophant."
 
How did you know that was spanish pendejo?
James E. Unekis Added Jul 10, 2018 - 6:10am
Fernando,
I didn't think Ryan's response was bad.  He actually brought up some good points.  Why didn't you respond?   
 
You tend to take a page to say what could be articulated in a sentence or two but it doesn't hide the fact that many of your ideas are academic and require a lot of window dressing.  Or perhaps you are used to writing for academic publishing.
 
Texas Lynn, for example, is able to articulate his points succinctly, and most of what he says is spot on.
 
Regardless I wish you well.
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 6:14am
James - you normally talk sense. The troll is demented and has been bombing threads with nonsense and venom.
Leroy Added Jul 10, 2018 - 7:29am
"I do not stoop to their level, Leroy." 
 
That's a matter of opinion.
 
"I do not lie about them, and do not use profanity."
 
You attempt to invalidate their comments within you rhetoric. You distort what they say. You call them names such as "Badlose." Is that not tantamount to lying about them?
 
Maybe a little profanity would add color to your writing.  I prefer it to your nonsensical and repetitive quotes about the Founding Fathers.
 
"They deserve severe censure, and if everyone gave it to them, they'd stop their antics."
 
It is up to ourselves.  We have the power.  Others have rightfully used this power against you.  Your antics are no worse. 
 
No.  We don't need a nanny to settle arguments.  We are not children.  When you call for severe censure, I assume you mean that we need a monitor.  You sound like those on the progressive left who wish to censor those on the right.  You are no better. 
 
"Putting up with their evil is a mark against the virtuous.  It's funny how I get more condemnation than they do for their filth.  Where are people's standards at?"
 
I admire you for standing up for your beliefs.  You used to do it with civility.  I consider your attacks on people's character as filth as well.  Where are your standards?   You have remarkable skills.  Use them.  Don't wallow with the pigs.
 
"TexasLynn is one of the most consistent on here on calling out Michka, but why haven't you, Leroy?"
 
Lynn is another author of admirable and remarkable skills.  He uses his skills with civility.  I suggest that you use him as a model.  Personally, I think Lynn is too hard on Jeff.  They bring out the worst of each other.
 
I have called out Jeff.  He and A. Jones used to bicker back and forth to the point that an article became unreadable, much like you do.  I deleted the bickering out of respect for my commenters.  They have since made peace with each other (or had it forced upon them).  When Jeff and the Princess began their incessant bickering, I dedicated an article to them to give them a place to settle their differences.  She thought she was about the fray, but, she, like you is a gifted writer but chose to wallow with the pigs. When the Princess claimed the work of others, I called her out.  Sometimes people bring out the worst of other people.  You have that gift.  Jeff has interesting things to say if you take the time to listen.  He has a different style but if you take the time to listen, you will find wisdom.  He even used paragraphs once.
 
Bring back the old Ryan.  I know he is in there somewhere.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jul 10, 2018 - 7:43am
Eagles and turkeys operate in different spheres.  If they wish to communicate one may have to come down to earth or the other may have to soar to the heavens. Surely, the eagle can lower its self to earth while the turkey cannot elevate itself to the heavens. What does that say regarding such association? Perhaps the turkey hurling insult at the high flying eagle can be mitigated through middlemen who could break down what is being said. Albeit, we need not all play in the same sandbox. If a discussion is beyond your intellectual level, it is so. 
 
 
 
Dino Manalis Added Jul 10, 2018 - 8:09am
 All the Best and take care of yourself!
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 8:21am
Mr Jones - do you ever put up a post on WB?? I'd love to read one.
TexasLynn Added Jul 10, 2018 - 8:37am
James E U. >> Texas Lynn, for example, is able to articulate his points succinctly, and most of what he says is spot on.
 
I don't know if anyone has ever said I'm "succinct" before.  I don't do twitter specifically because of the character limit.
 
As for "spot on"... everybody says that. :)
 
Opher >> The troll is demented and has been bombing threads with nonsense and venom.
 
I still find it mind-boggling that this is Ryan your talking about when Michka has been here doing that for so long.  I understand that Ryan was here before and has returned.  But Michka has been the troll under the bridge since I've been here.  He and John G. (who was banned).
 
Autumn has actually turned my thinking around on this subject.  I don't think Michka should be "banned".  I can handle the little prick.  I'll even poke him with a stick every now and then for the fun of it.
 
BUT, I'll say it again... as long as Michka has a login on WB... NOBODY (including Ryan) is beyond the pale.  If Michka isn't a troll (and he is), then NOBODY is.
 
If, I were to give advice to Ryan (and he didn’t ask for it), like Leroy, I would say I would like to see more debate on the ideas and not the people.  That said, please don't ask me to do as a say. :)
 
Ryan's style is not mine; nor is Opher's.  Both styles grate on me (just a bit) :) ... but to each his own.  I was once told that humor, sarcasm and ridicule were not valid tools in serious debate.  Bull$%#@!  Why would I discard the weapons I'm best at just because someone else lacks them?
 
Leroy >> Lynn is another author of admirable and remarkable skills.
 
Thank you.  There are quite a few such authors on WB of which I am grateful to be counted (by some) among them.
 
Leroy >> He uses his skills with civility. 
 
Mostly.  I'm sure there are a few who would beg to differ.  AND... I am guilty of losing that civility from time to time... I would think usually, it is called for.
 
But... thank you for at least noticing the attempt.
 
Leroy >> I suggest that you use him as a model. 
 
Whoa... Now you're venturing into crazy talk. :)
 
Leroy >> Personally, I think Lynn is too hard on Jeff.  They bring out the worst of each other.
 
And... you're there.  When a man attacks your family in the course of debate and invites you to "go %^$# yourself with a barbed wire dildo" ... NOTHING you say or do in response is too hard.  (Opher, Did Ryan ever cross such a line with you?  Yet, he's the troll, he's the problem... Please...)
 
Don't get me wrong, Leroy, I value your opinion and advise on the matter.  We'll just have to disagree.
 
I offered Jeff an olive branch early on... I won't do it again.
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 8:48am
Tex - Oh yes - Ryan crosses the line regularly. He has cast all manner of aspersions against me and my family. Then there is the constant bombing with his repetitive stupidity that is totally unrelated to the post and breaks up all intelligent debate. He is a troll of the first order, a thorough nuisance and a silly little child. One does get fed up with his prattling on 5 Founding Father Biographies, history and extreme views on sex and drugs. The child has no experience of life and likes to pontificate.
I speak as I find. Jeff has never trolled me.
At least when we have disagreement we do so in a largely intelligent, civilised manner. Ryan is incapable of that. This site would be better off without him. I hope Autumn kicks his arse down the road. He's driving sane people away.
Leroy Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:09am
Opher (and Stoney), I see that you choose to wallow with the pigs as well.  You do the same as Ryan.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:23am
Unbelievable, Badlose comes on and continues his scandalous lying, and no one objects to it, with the exception of Leroy, yet I am held up as a bad rabblerouser.  I kind of remember 2,000 years ago, when a career criminal named Barabbas was released, and a completely innocent man was put to death for a crime he didn’t do.  The crowd then called for the death of the innocent man.  The crowd today calls me bad for attacking bad people.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:28am
Gopher and Fernando share a few traits.  First, they are both intensely proud of their ‘eddications’.  Second, neither does well with criticism.  Third, both are big gubmint types.  Fourth, both think their ideas are lofty and sublime, and those of us not blessed to be ‘eddicated’ In academic indoctrination stations are contemptible and beneath their notice.  
 
It’s bad enough to despise people when you legitimately are wise and virtuous, but these two humbugs aren’t even wise and they desperately despise their intellectual and moral equals or betters.  That is the kind of nonsense I will not put up with.
 
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:31am
Leroy - retaliation for twerps seems justified to me. The guy ruins threads and pour shit over the nourishment.
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:32am
Here you are Ryan - take a look at yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN9dzY-HZRc
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:39am
Opher is one of the biggest blind humbugs that ever graced WB.  Will you listen to this character chatter on?
 
He repeatedly uses profanity, and lies, yet swears I am polluting the site, though I never did either.
 
Then, like a proper scoundrel, and a true Democrat, he goes running to the authorities to try to get me removed by law.  Democrats are notorious for this, as they ignore their own lawlessness, and constantly try to criminalize the virtue of others.  
 
Then, the man who openly uses profanity and shamelessly lies that I engage in vile sexuality, innocently asks Autumn to remove me on the basis of my being a “rude extreme bully boy”.  Slandering someone as a homosexual, who has never dreamed or engaged in that in their life is extremely wicked and offensive, yet Opher and other liberal degenerates, like Michka, love doing this.  It reduces others to their degenerate level, and interrupts logical debate.  It’s psychological terrorism, yet Opher, who is a psychological terrorist of the first order,  blindly can’t see his own issues, and is convinced I am the issue.  Maybe if you used intelligent words and didn’t lie so much, Badlose, you’d get the respect you crave so badly.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:40am
Notice the scoundrel Badlose agrees with the totalitarian mayor of my city, who celebrates the degeneracy and commendation of homosexuality, but calls the police when I dare to publicly censure it and its devotees.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:43am
Wonder if Pardero is reading this.  If he is, I would like to draw your attention to that sly snake Mufasa....Errrr.... Scar.  You look at him as a distinguished and courteous intellect, but he’s on here calling me a pendejo, like a twelve year old.
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:45am
Thank you, James.  Fernando is verbose.  This was very well said.
 
“You tend to take a page to say what could be articulated in a sentence or two but it doesn't hide the fact that many of your ideas are academic and require a lot of window dressing. Or perhaps you are used to writing for academic publishing“
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:57am
No LeRoy, comically adjusting someone’s name, to reflect their reality, especially when it’s likely they are using a pseudonym, isn’t tamtamount to using profanity.  I highly doubt Opher Goodwin is a real name.  Who names their kid Opher anyway?  I’ve come across millions of names, but never Opher.  And it was just too hard to resist to transform his last name to match his character.  Badlose has a marvelous ring to it, don’t you think?  That invention gave me no small joy, I must confess.
 
Also, I’m saddened that you honestly encourage me to use profanity, and object to quotes from the Founders, without whose vision, we would have no liberty or prosperity here.  I thought better of you.  That will never happen, BTW.
 
Censure does not mean censor, LeRoy.  
 
Thank you for your compliment. Attacking the rotten character of those with rotten views is a public service, though one that gets little thanks.  
 
There are traits of Lynn’s I admire, and there are those in which he imitates his detractors.  The latter does not improve his overall admirable style.  I must confess I don’t know who the Princess is.  The old Ryan is still here.  Desperate times call for desperate measures. 
 
Noble in peace, fierce in war, and a lover of virtue and liberty.  That is a mantra that all would do well to heed.
 
 
 
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 9:59am
You’re right about Eagles and Turkeys, Mr. Green.  When you abstain from profanity, you’ll gain the view of the Eagle, and leave the barnyard.  
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jul 10, 2018 - 10:06am
" I made the decision to stop collaborating with Writer Beat because I'm not willing to deal with low-level people like is the case of Ryan Messano."
 
Bye ...........
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 10:10am
I completely agree with Texas about Michka, he has a pathological lying problem, and intersperses his lies with the most disgusting and repulsive imagery, which our intellectual liberal friends have no issues with.  This reveals their glaring hypocrisy. 
 
Which false aspersion did I ever cast on you and your family, Opher?  This should he good.  I’m getting my popcorn.
 
I’d like to know how anyone can have an accurate view of America without reading just five of the 204 Founders biographies, Opher.  You rail on me for mentioning it to hide the fact you haven’t done it, and have no intention to ever do it.  Yet, you expect to be taken seriously about America.  Not how it works.
 
We have massive problems, individually and societally with all sex outside of marriage, and drugs, and Badlose is outraged that I advocate banning both, as America largely did in 1940.
 
Who needs life experience?  The wise learn from others mistakes, fools have to make their own, yet you look at the latter model as superior, thus revealing your own inferiority.
 
Then Badlose goes on to characterize Michkas and his conversations as “intelligent and civilized”.  Lol.  That takes an incredible level of denial.  Michka is in the running for the most perverted and profane liars to ever infest WB.
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 10:12am
Thank you for volunteering to do my media for me, for free, Opher.
 
Do you have any videos of you going into a meeting packed with those who oppose your views and strongly stating your truths?
 
When you do, you’ll be a man.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 10, 2018 - 10:23am
Fernando, I am sad that you are feeling the need to leave this community. I for one have enjoyed your scholarly pieces. It is good to do reading that makes you concentrate and think in order to understand the content. That is one reason why I continue to subscribe to Science Magazine, since it is written at a high level and requires significant knowledge to understand.
 
As for Ryan, you will know them by their fruits. Ryan's fruits are normally putrefying misshapen blobs flung from trees by monkeys. He has a remarkably engorged sense of ego that is totally unmerited by his asinine positions he repeatedly brays out to all. I'm with FJ, we just need to ignore this sample of humanity gone wrong.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jul 10, 2018 - 10:25am
Even...
 
" I'm with FJ, we just need to ignore this sample of humanity gone wrong."
We need to ignore a lot of people on this site and around the world. 
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 10:55am
EABC - I think you are right. Some people are pollution.
TexasLynn Added Jul 10, 2018 - 10:56am
Opher >> I speak as I find. Jeff has never trolled me.
 
So, as long as the troll leaves you alone... you're fine with it?  You prattle on all the time about bullies and fairness and you've just told me if the bully isn't bothering you... you're fine with it.  %^$@! Opher, be consistent.
 
Your blindness to leftist trolls doesn't inspire me to even consider the possibility of one possibly tormenting you.
 
Opher >> Tex - Oh yes - Ryan crosses the line regularly.
 
Opher, read the comment I quoted from the Michka and give me an example where Ryan came even close (to that line) ... and I'll join your cause.  I haven't seen it.
 
I'll agree that Ryan is relentless, even more so than Michka, but in the abusive department he is an amateur compared to the Michka.
 
Opher >> Then there is the constant bombing with his repetitive stupidity that is totally unrelated to the post and breaks up all intelligent debate.
 
Yep... Michka in spades.  I just can't help but lack sympathy when there is such blind hypocrisy on the issue.
 
I will agree with you that Ryan should better concentrate on the topic and points of the post.  But again... that is a courtesy all of us break from time to time... some more often than others.
 
Saying Ryan is off-topic while Michka is ever on-topic is the pot calling the wind-driven snow black.
 
Your ox is being gored, you don't like it, so Ryan has to go.
 
My ox is being gored, I don't like it, and though I've advocated for banning the Michka in the past, now I've changed my mind (thanks to Autumn) and will deal with it.  I DO ask that the same standard be applied to all though.  And to her credit, that is what Autumn has done so far.
 
Opher >> One does get fed up with his prattling on 5 Founding Father Biographies, history and extreme views on sex and drugs.
 
Those are views Opher... not telling you to go %^$# yourself and your family.  You may disagree, you may be annoyed that he repeats them regularly but they are views.
 
Personally, I think YOUR views on globalism and world government are downright Orwellian (as in extreme).  But I don't want you banned from WB because of them.  I... would rather debate you on them and expose the fallacy of your positions and arguments.
 
Opher >> I hope Autumn kicks his arse down the road. He's driving sane people away.
 
Maybe, maybe not.  But if Ryan's "arse" goes, it by God better not be the only one... or I might just lose my heralded since of civility.
 
My vote?  Keep the arses (all the arses) where they are and everybody grow a pair and deal with it.  That little red x is sufficient for the task.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:01am
“You will know them
by their fruits”
 
Quotes the Bible, does EABC, without the slightest hint of recognition of what fruits the Bible condemns.  Prolly because the Bible condemns he and his liberal friends sins, and they really don’t want to be bothered with it.
 
BTW, EABC, May I recommend you look up the appeal to expert logical fallacy.  You and your liberal friends are guilty of it quite often.
 
Oh no, EABC, it is you and your liberal friends who have the EGOs.  But, we see as we are, not as others are.
 
Edging 
God 
Out
 
Im with you, rycK.  Never been in the habit of babying whining snivelers. 
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:03am
Also, since WB is infected with twelve liberal men, The Counts (haha Expat) farewell pity party should get at least twelve likes.
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:07am
Tex - when I get time I'll dig out his stereotyped shit about me and my kids. The puerile twerp is a nasty little troll.
TexasLynn Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:11am
Opher >> Tex - when I get time I'll dig out his stereotyped shit about me and my kids. The puerile twerp is a nasty little troll.
 
Much obliged.  But please don't waste my time with anything less than a reference to a "barbed wire wrapped dildo".  I'm looking for equivalence here.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:36am
Opher and his fevered imagination, creating more tall tales.
 
”When I was younger, I remembered everything, whether it happened or not”
Mark Twain
 
Opher still does that.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:46am
TexasLynn,
re:"or I might just lose my heralded since of civility.;
Well we wouldnt want that. 
 
 
Bill H. Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:50am
 
Ryan is simply a fly in the soup here on WB who likes to taunt and test people. He offers nothing more than being an irritation as he constantly repeats the same rhetoric, acts as though he is somehow "superior", and constantly slanders and defames everyone who doesn't follow his radical beliefs. He calls himself a "Christian", but comes off as a hate-filled, troubled child.
As public as he is with his occupation and location, I am surprised that he continues to try and push many to their limit, possibly being unaware that their are those all over the Internet who would tend to take his slander and defaming a bit too serious and seek some type of revenge, which seems to be happening way to often these days.
I am also for ridding WB of Ryan, both for his own good and the retention of good people here on WB.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:52am
Leroy
 
Leroy
 
Opher (and Stoney), I see that you choose to wallow with the pigs as well.  You do the same as Ryan.
 
No. But I don't have a recipe anymore how to counter such people. They are not receptive for arguments. Sorry. I'm usually a polite person but at a certain stage I don't let myself insulted without an appropriate response. And I'm not the only one who is the target. 
 
I've had and have my differences with Michael B. for example. And I don't have problems with Jeff, by the way. Why should I ?
 
But I would drink a beer in a bar with Michael, you or any other guy here no problem, because I know that we could meet somewhere. But not with an extremist like Ryboy.
 
Sorry.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:56am
BTW Ryboy:
 
You seem to think that you have taken over WriterBeat now and can drive people off with your drivel. Might be an illusion. 
TexasLynn Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:08pm
Mustafa Kemal >> Well we wouldnt want that.
 
Where is the little smiley at the end of that statement, Mustafa?  Where's the wink? ;)
 
No, we would not (want that).  Few have experienced it... but all who have, remember, cringe and say a silent prayer under their breath...  You know what I mean. :P
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:40pm
Stawp Bill, just Stawp!
 
Calling me hate filled and ignoring Michka, Travil, and Badlose is absurdly ridiculous.  Judging isn’t your strong suit.
 
Repetition is the mother of learning.  If you know a better way to teach you indoctrinated leftists, many who refuse to learn, let’s hear it.  It’s pretty scary when you not only reject truth, but you viciously attack it.  This from a man who sees nothing wrong with masturbating.
 
He ends by threatening me, and recommending me to be sent to a WB concentration camp.  Lol, the hypocrisy is strong in this one.
 
“I’m a polite person” sez the person who hurls F-bombs with abandon.  You’re pretty good at fairy tales, Stone.  Whoo boy.  I now know why Brer Rabbit laughed so much.  This is hilarious.
 
You can’t drink a beer with a teetotaler, you’re right about that, Stone.
 
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:41pm
Right makes might, Stone.
 
Fight for the former in private, and you will be the latter in public.  
Leroy Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:42pm
"No LeRoy, comically adjusting someone’s name, to reflect their reality, especially when it’s likely they are using a pseudonym, isn’t tamtamount to using profanity." 
 
You are trying to invalidate his arguments.  Call it what you like.
 
"I highly doubt Opher Goodwin is a real name.  Who names their kid Opher anyway?  I’ve come across millions of names, but never Opher." 
 
We all know that his name is Chris.  He previously explained why he uses the name Opher.  I don't recall but it seems it was to distinguish himself from another Chris.  Ask him.  I'm sure he will explain.  There's no secret.

 
"Also, I’m saddened that you honestly encourage me to use profanity, and object to quotes from the Founders, without whose vision, we would have no liberty or prosperity here.  I thought better of you.  That will never happen, BTW."
 
I encourage you to quote the Founding Fathers.  I enjoy them.  Throwing out which five Founding Fathers have you read is not a thinking man's argument.  Profanity at the right moment can be quite effective.
 
"Censure does not mean censor, LeRoy." 
 
Granted, but it amounts to the same thing.  You are trying to control someone else's free speech.  I'm all for censoring our own articles.  You can censure people or have people censured if you want, but we are among equals here.  It won't get you very far.  Who do you expect to censure, Autumn?  Good luck with that, even if you are her model poster.
 
 
"I must confess I don’t know who the Princess is." 
 
She's buddies with James.  Ask him.
 
"The old Ryan is still here.  Desperate times call for desperate measures."
 
You bring back fond memories, Ryan.  Sorry for going off-subject.  I lived next to a farm for a while in my youth.  One cold, dark, damp winter night, a pregnant cow when down in shock.  The owner was out checking out the farm on horseback and was unaware.  His wife and daughter asked me to help them winch the calf out to save the cow.  It was a nasty night.  None of us had done this before.  The stench was horrible. We put the chains around the calf's legs and began to winch it out.  The chain slipped.  The daughter was a classic farmer's daughter.  She was a 13-year "fully growed woman" as the expression goes and had a lot of spirit, but also sweet.  She could out-work me.  When the chain slipped, she exclaimed, "Dammit to hell!"  Her mother's jaw dropped to the ground in disbelief.  After she regrouped herself, she asked, "Do you have to use such desperate words?", to which the daughter defiantly shot back, "Desperate times call for desperate words!"   Take note.
 
"Noble in peace, fierce in war, and a lover of virtue and liberty.  That is a mantra that all would do well to heed."
 
That's a fine creed.  Showing a little love for your fellow man wouldn't hurt either. 
Autumn Cote Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:53pm
To all,
Fernando has announced his desire to leave, so I see no point in continuing to add to this thread while there are so many authors still here and looking for comments.  Or rather than spend time on this thread, why not author an article of your own? 
 
On the subject of this article, I have one brief comment: I believe in free speech, not filtered speech. To anyone that disagrees, the internet is a big place, I'm sure you'll land safely.  
Stone-Eater Added Jul 10, 2018 - 12:56pm
Autumn
 
I support free speech, but I don't support trolls who have nothing better to do than insult almost a whole community. There my tolerance ends.
TexasLynn Added Jul 10, 2018 - 1:52pm
Autumn Cole >> I believe in free speech, not filtered speech. To anyone that disagrees, the internet is a big place, I'm sure you'll land safely.  
 
Daaaaammmm... :) Looks like Ryan and Michka are here to stay!  Yaaaay! :)  Off to comment on other posts... 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 2:22pm
Beautifully said, Autumn.
 
Stone, maybe re read the Chomsky quote above.  It appears you didn’t understand it very well.
 
The left is always trying to shut down virtuous and honest speech they don’t like, and tolerating the most despicable and wicked speech imaginable.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 2:36pm
I totally support banning Michka, Travil, Stone, and Badlose.
 
They ceaselessly lie and use vile language, and it’s impossible to reason with all four of them.  
 
Its like talking with ten year olds who need their mouths cleaned out with soap.
 
Free speech was created by wise and virtuous men, for wise and virtuous men.  
 
Notice the most wicked and depraved among us are the first to talk about banning others speech, while promoting wicked speech themselves.  They are nothing but pagans, who think might makes right.
Autumn Cote Added Jul 10, 2018 - 2:56pm
Ryan,
How can my words be beautiful if I wouldn't ban Michka, Travil, Stone and Badlose?  The interesting question is this:  Assuming Writer Beat was a profitable venture and someone was chasing off many of my better users,  would I still support unfiltered speech?   That's it...last comment from me in this thread.  
Neil Lock Added Jul 10, 2018 - 2:58pm
Ryan: Neil is also silent on Michka.
 
Not at all. A troll identifying himself as Barath Nagarajan bombed one of my threads, baiting Jeff Michka in the process. I deleted those Michka comments which were only responses to the troll, retaining the rest. I'll be frank, 90% of Jeff Michka's comments aren't good. But he does hit the mark every so often, so from my point of view he's worth keeping as a commenter. And (unlike you, Ryan) Jeff Michka hasn't, in my recollection, tried to insult me with ad hominems, or with exhortations to do things his way, not mine.
 
And if you really want to interact with me, Ryan, don't try to tell me about five biographies of the founding fathers or seven conservative news sites. Read the Fifteen Articles, Ryan. That's right, the Fifteen Articles. I've so far written 15 serious articles on this forum; you can distinguish them from the poetry and the minor stuff by the fact that their titles begin with the word "On." Paraphrase each of them in less than 100 words, Ryan. Then publish your paraphrase here.
 
Oh, and if you want extra credit, you might do the same for the articles Fernando has published here. This is his thread, after all. If you disagree with someone, by all means disagree; but do it with respect for the person.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:19pm
My answer to that is in my latest article, Autumn. Enjoy!
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:30pm
Autumn - a lot of us have better things to do than be constantly irked by some little brainwashed extremist twat. 
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:31pm
Neil - respect. The silly boy doesn't understand the word. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:31pm
Ryan
 
"The left is always trying to shut down virtuous and honest speech they don’t like, and tolerating the most despicable and wicked speech imaginable."
 
Like Pelosi, Schumer............CBS, ABC, NBC talking heads. 
 
Obvious truth in this statement, but we should all know that well and support our own positions with force and fury if necessary. 
 
Neil
 
"And (unlike you, Ryan) Jeff Michka hasn't, in my recollection, tried to insult me with ad hominems, or with exhortations to do things his way, not mine."
 
He has against me, but that is part of the debate process. I can handle it and leave off his comments for others to inspect. 
 
"Oh, and if you want extra credit, you might do the same for the articles Fernando has published here. This is his thread, after all. If you disagree with someone, by all means disagree; but do it with respect for the person."
 
Respect is earned and does not come on the plate like grits. An author here should make his or her statements clear and open and not insult others by stating that they cannot understand the author's present written work, as it may be incoherent in part or in whole as we see on WB on occasion. Any given statement does not automatically earn the golden mantle of pure truth. 
 
Incoherent babble and blue sky proclamations carry no weight with many of us. A lot of that is political fluff. 
 
Things such as this will not change and should not. We are not drones and lackeys shuffling thru stacks of soiled cliches to support our mentors. We will not read all things as inspiring here. 
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:32pm
Ryan - I never lie or use profanity - so why don't you stop fucking elephants and fuck off.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:35pm
Wow!!
 
Is there anyone on WB who does not recognize Ophers latest comment is another brazen lie?
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:37pm
This is a perfect illustration of why leftists are insane.
 
Opher flat out said he doesn’t use profanity, IN A COMMENT WHERE HE USED PROFANITY.  Unbelievable!!
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:40pm
Very well said, rycK, I completely agree 100%
 
The left lies to us, silences us, condescends to us, and hates us.  End of story.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:46pm
Opher
 
"Ryan - I never lie or use profanity - so why don't you stop fucking elephants and fuck off."
 
If this was intended to by hyperbole it missed the mark. 
 
Somebody just bent his lance.
opher goodwin Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:52pm
Jeez - Americans just don't get satire do they?
Neil Lock Added Jul 10, 2018 - 3:59pm
Ryan: Notice the most wicked and depraved among us are the first to talk about banning others speech, while promoting wicked speech themselves.
 
Browsers have a keystroke Ctrl+F. It means "find" within the page you are on. I looked for the word "banning." You are responsible for the first use of that word on this thread.
 
I rest my case, m'lud (or, if it's Autumn I'm addressing, ma'am).
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:03pm
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:06pm
Proverbs 26:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 So is the man that deceiveth his neighbour, and saith, Am not I in sport?
 
We don't, Badlose.
TexasLynn Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:14pm
In Ryan's defense, the first use (that you referenced) was him advocating banning sex (outside marriage) and drugs... not speech.
 
The second was me (TexasLynn)... saying I wouldn't do it. 
 
And the third was Ryan advocating banning his 4 worst libs.
 
BUT... if you just search for "ban" and scroll through them for contest... Fisrt was Ryan acknowledging Fernando wanting him banned not actually calling for a ban... and then...
 
The winner of actually being the first to call for a ban...
 
Flying Junior... "Ban Messano!  Yay!  Can I get a witness?"  Followed closely by Opher seconding the motion.
 
Just to be accurate...
 
 
 
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:26pm
Texas
 
Good points. Facts seem to fade away as the thread increases in length. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:33pm
Ah, facts, thank you for that, Texas.  
 
Liberaks rately momitor thenselves, and it’s a lot of work monitoring them.  They are constantly coming up with new evil schemes and lies.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:34pm
*Liberals rarely monitor themselves.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:34pm
Of course, Ryan wants a ban to cement his martyrdom, and you've tried to apologize in advance for your constant attempts to get me banned for reminding you and WB as a whole, you're a screaming political hypocrite; on one hand, wanting America broken up so you can have your own country, and then wanting rightist kudos for your cheap patriotism about national anthem and flag to remain relevant to the rightist that don't advocate being a Traitor, like you TraitorLynn.  You're so desperate, you are endorsing Ryan's campaign because it's like yours, lacking any substance, but wanting a certain outcome.  Not surprising for a raging hypocrite like TraitorLynn.  TraitorLynn use to go on how "trolls were ruining" his comments, but has no problems ruining other people's "perfect" threads  with his stock and trade "dogshit posts."  He even did this to one of his Xtain buddies, which should better flesh out his motivations.  He says one thing, does or says another, but he's soooo nice, saying how wonderful your article is.   I guess that doesn't mean much coming from an arch hypocrite, but then if hypocrisy isn't talked about, he thinks he won't be a known hypocrite.
Neil Lock Added Jul 10, 2018 - 4:54pm
Lynn: Good work. You caught me out! That has increased my respect for you. (I test software for a living). Now I've looked at the History in detail, I see that Flying Junior was indeed the source of the first anti-free-speech comment on this thread.
 
But the point I was trying to make still stands.
TexasLynn Added Jul 10, 2018 - 5:07pm
Leroy >> Jeff has interesting things to say if you take the time to listen.  He has a different style but if you take the time to listen, you will find wisdom.
 
Leroy, Concerning the Michka comment above.  I don't see it as any different than anything else he's ever posted... Care to point out anything of value, any bit of "wisdom" what-so-ever that I may have missed?
Fernando Alcoforado Added Jul 10, 2018 - 5:09pm
MY LATEST MESSAGE
 
The whole debate that ensued as a result of the text in which I informed the end of my collaboration with Writer Beat put in two fields those who consider fundamental that be discussed in a respectful way with the interlocutors and those who use as an argument the personal attack. Personal attack in the debate is used by people who do not have the necessary ability to present solid arguments against their interlocutors. I suggested Autumn Cote to establish a code of ethics to avoid the unfortunate situation in which Writer Beat is found now. If there is no code of ethics the trend is the Writer Beat only rely on the presence of bad boys contributing to the removal of people committed to the debate at a high level. I do not answer to the aggressions I received from some people who presented comments against me to I not going down to the low level they are in. Remember the saying: dogs bark and caravan passes.
 
I would like to thank all those who have expressed their support for me in this debate about the end of my contribution to the WB. I regret that I can no longer share and discuss with high-level people the issues that everyone has brought to the debate at WB. When there will be a code of ethics that prevents behaviors incompatible with the respect that people deserve, I can resume my contribution to the WB. I am accustomed in my experience as a professor and consultant in Latin America and Europe to participate in debates in workshops, seminars and on the Internet with interlocutors who, even in disagreement with our worldview, have always acted in a respectful way. I close, registering my brotherly embrace for Autumn Cote and all those who make WB at a high level.
 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 10, 2018 - 5:11pm
TraitorLynn your article of treason is baaaack.  Don't want anyone to see it, then they'd know your revolutionary activity of a decade was a bumper sticker.  Will you paste one to your forehead when you romantically battle the US army?  Or maybe the sticker will show yor forehead better, glistening n the sun and making you a better target for that A10 coming in to strafe you romantics.  LOL
Neil Lock Added Jul 10, 2018 - 5:31pm
Well, if any of us ever doubted that Ryan is against free speech, look at his latest #1 hit on this site.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 5:32pm
Oh, we have the ability to present solid arguments, Fernando.  I wonder if you have considered that perhaps your response is the problem, and not the message you are responding to.
 
Exactly what does "debate at a high level" mean.  Sounds like anyone who agrees with you is at a "high level", and those who don't, are at a "low level".
 
Sounds like the Caste system of India to me. 
 
I've had to put up with Jeff and company saying far worse than anything you've experienced, so maybe it's time to grow up and be a man, instead of running off with your toys whenever someone says something mean to you. 
TexasLynn Added Jul 10, 2018 - 5:51pm
Neil >> Lynn: Good work. You caught me out!
 
Nothing personal... of course...
 
Neil >> That has increased my respect for you.
 
Well good; that does mean something to me.
 
Neil >> (I test software for a living).
 
I write software for a living, among many other IT related responsibilities, so there may be some symmetry. My entire career has been the repeating of the scientific method to solve problems and find solutions.  That often requires, detailed analysis.
 
I have 12 Rules of IT I composed over a decade or two ago (I gave it to every programmer who ever worked under me).  #1 is "Trust but Verify"; meaning that "users" won't intentionally mislead you, but don't just assume what they believe to be true is correct.
 
As a "team lead" years ago, I was infamous for breaking the code of my programmers.  They had to get it past me before I would even let it go to the testers (much less the end user). :)
 
Neil >> Now I've looked at the History in detail, I see that Flying Junior was indeed the source of the first anti-free-speech comment on this thread.
 
Yes... my conclusion as well.
 
Neil >> But the point I was trying to make still stands.
 
Fair enough... but technically Ryan's reply was correct... He was not the first to call for a ban on anyone at least in this post.
 
And... to be fair it wasn't FJ who first called for a ban, but... Fernando... that, really being the point of this entire post.  Despite the title and tone, the message was really "Either he (Ryan) goes or I go."
 
And… to be really, really fair… it wasn’t Fernando, but ME… who did it back in November 2017.
 
Personally, I've got nothing against Fernando.  I've read very little of his stuff... but it's his decision to stay or leave just as it was mine.
 
I wrote a similar piece last November, A Writer Beat Fairy Tale where I advocated for the removal of the Michka for pretty well the same reasons Fernando gives.  My post was more of the wit genre than the serious, but mine was also not an ultimatum; but rather a story with a moral of "We (WB) would really be better off without him (Michka).
 
Autumn vetoed the idea... I moved on... we're good.  The result is I've got to pick up (delete) little Michka droppings every now and then and ignore them when they're not on my post (like now).  Like I said, we're good.
 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 
The Michka >> TraitorLynn your article of treason is baaaack.
 
At risk of stepping in a Michka comment... the main post that the Michka keeps referring to can be found here... "A Case for Secession".   I don’t think the Michka has enough brain-cells to provide the link himself.
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 10, 2018 - 5:55pm
All, 
Npw that the dreary issue of banning Ryan is over, I would like to comment. It is clear to me that a WB without Ryan would be a much better place, but I am definitely against banning him. 
Nevertheless, I have  a different problem with Ryan than I think many do. To me he is hysterically funny. I have not seen someone so confused, with logic so backwards, with the strangest combination of arrogance, ignorance, insecurity and vitriolic  hostility presented with self declarations of  truth, wisdom and virtue in a sea of logical fallacies that include outright lies ever in my life.
 
Here is a very nice lie:
RM:We already saw one WB regular get triggered and write a post alleging that those of us who tell the truth are aiming to put folks in concentration camps."
 
But sometimes he is just plain charming:
  RM” If you want the right to vote, then GO EDUCATE YOURSELF, YOU LAZY HUSSY.
You gotta love that dialectic. That truth and virtue!
 
And when someone of this nature has to spout off on everything, they leave a trail of evidence that is extremely rich for the development of claims regarding his dishonesty, lack of rationality,  and one might say insanity.  Moreover, the vast number of Jungian projections, accusing people of doing exactly what he does, is impressive. As I said, he is really entertaining. That said, I do wonder if he realizes that he is leaving an internet trail of  nasty inanities of epic proportions which, if a political opponent got  ahold of, could be very useful.
 
However, I have a problem with this form of entertainment for several personal reasons, but let me just mention one that is of concern for WB; Engaging Ryan can ruin the thread on someones post. There  are many posts here where the post subject material is not even being discussed at all. So in reality then there is no “marketplace of ideas”. Instead you have a marketplace of squabbling. On the other hand, although we could leave the responsiblity to controlling content on a thread to the post owner, I dont think this is really wise, since most posters dont want to censor. But of course, they would like to not have their threads trashed either. In conclusion it is my feeling that it is not just Ryan who is reponsible for the epic nature of his destructive influence, but many of us who engage him.  I suspect if we simply accept that we have a very unhappy juvenile with alot excess energy to  whip the unbelievers and destroy the vile liberals in an old testament fashion on WB, and simply ignore him we may be able to regain some sense of communication between the remaining grownups that many of us come here for. IMO, alot the responsibility is with us.
 
Maybe a “ban from commenting on my thread” button might be very useful here.
 
Mustafa
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 5:55pm
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jul 10, 2018 - 5:58pm
I do not support deleting and censoring. However, if the life of an offender is in danger, I will.
 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 6:00pm
Great and hilarious article, Texas, IMHO.  Has much merit.  Should definitely be looked into.  I've stepped in many Michka comments, and it doesn't leave you smelling good. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 6:01pm
BTW, if you have any advice on reasonably priced improvements to my website, I'd be happy to listen.  Computers are not my expertise, and I know very little about them.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 10, 2018 - 6:01pm
Ryan,
re:I totally support banning Michka, Travil, Stone, and Badlose."
 
Maybe we should begin proceedings now!  LOL
 
See what I mean folks. He is just so much fun.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 6:07pm
 
Banning them would have an admirable effect on you too, Mustafa.  You rely on corrupt types like this to create the mayhem that allows you to slyly slither around and create your mischief.
James Travil Added Jul 10, 2018 - 6:44pm
As Stone said "I support free speech, but I don't support trolls who have nothing better to do than insult almost a whole community. There my tolerance ends."
Lying Ryan certainly fits that troll definition. Plus he's a fake conservative (in fact being an anti-free speech fascist), a phoney Christian (who insists his personal views are equal to that of the Biblical God, but with zero scriptural support - thus attempting to add to the "word of God" which is a grievous sin to actual Christians), and a slandering liar (such as when he mislabeles me a liberal and a devil worshiper). And there is more. But suffice to say I have zero tolerance for his useless intolerant ass. He and I are sworn enemies tell the end. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 10, 2018 - 7:27pm
Hear, Hear!
 
The Satanist has spoken on how a proper Christian acts!
 
 
James Travil Added Jul 10, 2018 - 7:37pm
I was raised Christian. Although I never bought into it, I sure know the difference in an actual Christian and a fraud like you Ryan. I don't have to be a MD to identify a quack either. 
EXPAT Added Jul 10, 2018 - 8:17pm
Fernando Alcoforado.
Just go away, and stop trying to censor speech on WB. If you demand High Level Discourse, why are you here? I suspect that you are not welcome on intellectual sites, or where Professionals interact.
I find your postings mawkish, and your concepts mundane, not worth reading. You exhibit a low level of academia, in spite of your posted credentials.
Now you have the other frauds with delusions of grandeur calling for a ban on all those who would disagree with them.
All know the tone and temperament of this cite, and as in society itself, rancor rules.
 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 10, 2018 - 8:51pm
Hey, ASSHAT, TraitrLynn and , MESSANO your buddy, ought to go press your case with Autumn, or it looks like you all are just  whining.  Your condemnation of Fernando, by a drunk hiding out in Thailand is, in and of itself is absurd, at best self serving for ASSHAT.
James Travil Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:09pm
Well I never once said I supported banning Ryan (cite when and where I ever did if you claim otherwise) --UNTIL NOW! Now that the asshat has written a ridiculous article about banning me I say turnabout is fairplay! So I'm on board with the let's ban lying Ryan bandwagon 100%! It figures he would pull such a stunt because as I pointed out before he is a lier and a hypocrite. He incites discord and chaos but can't handle it when others return to his what he first delt out. Now he crys victim of people trying to silence him, but then tries to silence others. A total 100% useless hypocrite. The funniest part is the heritics pretending to be a good Christian when he is anything but. Hypocrisy in the EXTREME! 
EXPAT Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:32pm
No Michka Mouse, I am not going to beg Mommy Autumn to settle sibling rivalries.
EXPAT Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:41pm
JT. Your brain is not functioning. The only people I ever asked Autumn to ban, were the Nazi's because I feared they would overwhelm WB and turn WB into a Nazi haven. But it turned out they were not as competent as I feared!
TexasLynn Added Jul 10, 2018 - 11:58pm
Michael B. Added Jul 11, 2018 - 12:01am
@ EXPAT - I have nothing against Fernando, and like many others, I'd rather he stayed around, but your calling him a Gay Dracula had me cracking up all afternoon! LOOOOOOOL!!!! Sorry Fernando, but unfortunately for the PC world, humor often comes at someone else's expense! Of course, the fact that most comedians are also highly reliant on self-deprecating humor seems to be lost on many. Whatever, dude! If you're looking for dignity, you are in SOOOO the wrong place, LOL.
James Travil Added Jul 11, 2018 - 12:24am
Xpat, it is YOUR brain that is not functioning! Reread my last post! I never even mentioned you, I said Ryan wrote an article about banning me and others that he has disagreements with. Everything isn't about you! 
Bill H. Added Jul 11, 2018 - 1:35am
 
Ryan once offered to Autumn to take over WB and mentioned banning all of the "Liberals".
Now he has his own website full of links to his selected tidbits of extreme right wing babble.
 
James Travil Added Jul 11, 2018 - 1:53am
Bill wrote: "Ryan once offered to Autumn to take over WB and mentioned banning all of the "liberals". "
Of course he did! I figured lying Ryan was the first to suggest banning people he disagreed with! Even MORE hypocrisy! And of course he (being a extremist alt right fascist) considers everyone to the left of him to be a "liberal". Ronald Reagan would be a "liberal" compared to a fascist like Ryan! Thanks for the information Bill. 
opher goodwin Added Jul 11, 2018 - 4:08am
If it comes to a choice between a learned and considered poster like Fernando and a lying little brat of a trolling extremist fascist, I know where my vote would go.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 11, 2018 - 4:28am
That’s a lie, Bill, but James and Badlose both tell and enjoy hearing them too.
 
Its exhausting keeping up with all the lies you liberals tell.  
 
Leroy and other WB regulars can verify you’re lying.
EXPAT Added Jul 11, 2018 - 7:13am
James Travil. You are either a psychopath or a liar!
 
"Xpat, it is YOUR brain that is not functioning! Reread my last post! I never even mentioned you, I said Ryan wrote an article about banning me and others that he has disagreements with. Everything isn't about you! "
 
 
Your last post! Perhaps if you weren't such an idiot, and used the proper names, you wouldn't get so confused!
 
 "Now that the asshat has written a ridiculous article about banning me I say turnabout is fairplay"
EXPAT Added Jul 11, 2018 - 7:20am
JT and Michka Mouse. Two idiots that should be in an institution.
 
Hey, ASSHAT, TraitrLynn and , MESSANO your buddy, ought to go press your case with Autumn, or it looks like you all are just  whining.  Your condemnation of Fernando, by a drunk hiding out in Thailand is, in and of itself is absurd, at best self serving for ASSHAT.
James Travil Added Jul 11, 2018 - 8:50am
Like I said before Exlax (is that better, idiot?) I was referring to Ryan. Everyone else knows. Everything isn't about you! Now call for your nurse and get back on your meds! 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 11, 2018 - 1:05pm
Bill H.
re:"Now he has his own website full of links to his selected tidbits of extreme right wing babble."
 
Can we really consider this right wing?  That seem disrespectful to them. It seems its just hostile babble like a pissed off child
Leroy Added Jul 11, 2018 - 1:54pm
"I totally support banning Michka, Travil, Stone, and Badlose."
 
You are no better than the liberals who want to ban conservative speech.  I am disappointed in you, Ryan.
 
You need to relax or get laid or something.  You're wound to tight lately.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 11, 2018 - 3:09pm
LeRoy, listen, i don’t need or want your support.  
 
You don’t know American history either.  You are a backstabbing fake conservative.  
 
Do not gove me advice.  I’m not interested.  That you advised me to use profanity shows your priorities are way off.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 11, 2018 - 3:11pm
If you don’t understand free speech wasn’t for degeneracy, you are seriously under informed.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 11, 2018 - 4:13pm
Hey, Leroy, Ryan has no use for your "support."  Ryan's latent tendencies prohibit him getting laid, or much of anything else.  I wonder, if Ryan gets his own church, where will they attach the warning label?  He already got thrown out of his church (that in and of itself seems difficult, but then....)  He's downright proud about being uneducated or degreed.  He absolutely hared the two ministers we used to have on WB, and ranted and raved about them constantly.  What I wonder is how many times the captn of a sub Ryan was stationed on, had to send teams to check he'd not been stuffed into a torpedo tube to be ejected.
Leroy Added Jul 11, 2018 - 4:31pm
"LeRoy, listen, i don’t need or want your support."
 
You don't need anyone, apparently.  You're a one-man army battling against the immoral windmills.  You would do well to find your Sancho Panza. Better yet, find some wild chick to help you find yourself or something else.
 
"You don’t know American history either.  You are a backstabbing fake conservative." 
 
I'm not a conservative.  I'm a liberal.  A classical liberal to be more precise.  I may be a dumbass when it comes to history, but I am in good company.
 
"Do not gove me advice.  I’m not interested.  That you advised me to use profanity shows your priorities are way off."
 
I would advise more than the use of profanity.  I would suggest pursuing carnal pleasures.  God gave us the equipment for a reason. Use it.  It would be unnatural and a sin otherwise.  If you have to be married, find some wild, tattooed chick and marry her.  If you can find one, then re-evaluate yourself.
Leroy Added Jul 11, 2018 - 4:32pm
"What I wonder is how many times the captn of a sub Ryan was stationed on, had to send teams to check he'd not been stuffed into a torpedo tube to be ejected."
 
Funny guy ...lol.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 11, 2018 - 7:22pm
One man with God is a majority, Leroy.  Never forget that.
 
You have many correct views, if you added history to your repertoire, you'd be formidable. 
 
As for carnal pleasures:
"All this the world well knows, but none knows well,
To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell".
Shakespeare
 
Pursuing it outside of marriage is destructive to the individual and society.
Leroy Added Jul 12, 2018 - 3:22pm
"One man with God is a majority, Leroy.  Never forget that."
 
As a God, after all I had been through trying to get people to obey my word, I would be disappointed to have one follower.  I would write off planet earth as a lost cause.  Then I would change my message.  If there were no other living forms to harass somewhere else, I would cause a flood or something.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 12, 2018 - 3:23pm
I don't think God was disappointed with Moses, Elijah, Paul, and Elisha.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jul 12, 2018 - 3:25pm
Or, possibly, with Donald Trump.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 12, 2018 - 3:27pm
Amen, rycK.  God has faith in us, and rewards our faith tremendously as well.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jul 13, 2018 - 7:58am
Agreed..............
Flying Junior Added Jul 16, 2018 - 2:06am
Eewww!
 
Twin fake Christian phonies.
James Travil Added Jul 16, 2018 - 2:49am
"Twin fake Christian phonies."
For once we are in total agreement Flying Junior. 
Pardero Added Jul 16, 2018 - 1:05pm
James Travil,
I respect your opinions very much, but would like to point out that while rycK is a conservative, and a man of faith, he criticizes ideas, not the person stating the ideas. I believe that there is much difference between the two.
 
Rarely, Ryan actually makes a statement that is not an ad hominem attack. I don't think rycK's praise for a comment is an indication that he necessarily supports Ryan's most offensive comments.
 
It could be that people of faith have more opportunity to influence Ryan to be civil, than Ryan's vocal detractors, who bring out the worst in him, just as he does with them. RycK's writing is far from ambiguous, and he ruffles plenty of feathers, but he is a civil gentleman, and does not create the ill will that others do.
 
Perhaps we should all praise Ryan when he manages to make a comment that is not a vicious personal attack, whether or not it is a statement based on 'faith.'
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jul 16, 2018 - 4:47pm
Pardaro
 
Thanx, it is as you say. The lefties cannot deal with criticism even when their ideas and programs fall flat and sticky.
 
All they can do is shout and we should pay attention to that. That is all they have. 
 
rycK
James Travil Added Jul 16, 2018 - 7:27pm
"The lefties cannot deal with criticism even when their ideas and programs fall flat and sticky."
And exactly what ideas would those be? And I'm a moderate independent BTW not a "leftie".