The Growth of the LGBT Acronym

The Growth of the LGBT Acronym
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It has taken me many years to adjust to labelling a group of people into their preferred acronym LGBT.  I’ve inverted letters- LTBG or included others like when I inadvertently added an an “H” – LHGBT – under the thought that adding the “H” would include homosexuals.


Now I am seeing articles and arguments about the benefits or drawbacks of adding more letters.  One group has recommended LGBTQIAGNC (Lesbian, gay, bisexual, trans, queer, intersex, asexual and gender-non-conforming).


Others propose including letters for ‘questioning’, ‘pansexual’, ‘ally’ or ‘allied’, ‘straight’, ‘leather’ and ‘fetish’ which would yield LGBTQIAGNCQPASLF.  I do find this somewhat bias because since I stopped dating I now consider myself a hydro-sexual.  I only have sex in the shower by myself.  We need to add an H.


In addition, what about:

Trisexuals, Necrosexuals, Animal-sexuals, Group Only sexuals, Egg roll stufers, Apple Pie lovers, and Liver-box lovers.  Certainly we could all handle LGBTQIAGNCQPASLFTNAGEAL to enforce the idea that heterosexuals are intolerant perverts.   


Further, pedophiles are rebranding themselves as MAPS – Minor Attracted Persons or NOMAPS (Non-Offending Minor Attracted Persons), in an effort to gain acceptance and be included in the LGBT communities.  Certainly these misunderstood and marginalized people deserve inclusion.


So, unless you are a hate filled Republican you should show a little compassion and refer to these marginalized groups as LGBTQIAGNCQPASLFTNAGEALMAPSNOMAPS (subject to change).  If you don’t you are obviously a NAZZI, bigot, homophobe, uneducated and unable to do anything without blindly following Trump.  We, the enlightened, have you conservatives figured out.


opher goodwin Added Jul 19, 2018 - 2:20pm
I think you should add STSW in there too (Subject to Sexual Whims).
Dino Manalis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 2:30pm
 Heterosexuals and virgins should also be included, since sexual preference is such a big thing, but it sometimes changes and has nothing to do with civil rights.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 2:45pm
Yes, you may be right.   Perhaps we just add them in groups of 10.   LOL
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 2:47pm
Heterosexuals and vigins.  You racist, homophobic, Islamaphobic, biggot!  They are the type that votes for Trump and support Capitalism.
opher goodwin Added Jul 19, 2018 - 2:57pm
What about lovers of pigs and goats?? LOPAG??
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 3:16pm
Good points both.  I prefer a tight little snake with that arousing forked tongue.  I guess we need to add TLSWAFT as well.  Together we have more than 10 so here it is:
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 3:21pm
I've got to leave WB for an hour or so but keep the comments coming.  I will respond to all.
Leroy Added Jul 19, 2018 - 3:28pm
I always a "P" for those who identify as Pocahontas.
Pardero Added Jul 19, 2018 - 3:35pm
James E. Unekis,
Acronyms are almost as confusing to me as numbers.
As somewhat of a traditionalist, I don't see what is wrong with
old fashioned 'homosexuals and perverts,' which is easily remembered, and broad enough to include all the afore mentioned groups, plus important groups that you have neglected, such as My Little Pony lovers.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 19, 2018 - 3:38pm
James, I gave up when they added Q to LGBT, now I just call them the Gay BLTs and I don't care how many people I offend.
When I was working in London some years ago, to break the tedium of evenings in hotel rooms I'd sometimes perform at poetry or comedy 'open mic'  nights. These were always well attended by the gay and lesbian communities.
I learned then that the gays despised transexuals, reasoning that anyone who was not 'glad to be gay' but wanted to become a facsimile of a woman was no ally of theirs.
Because of that experience I am convinced that the LGBTQIPMCetc. is nothing more than a political movement dedicated to disrupting our traditional roles.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 19, 2018 - 3:42pm
The one that puzzles me in all this is InCels, Involuntary Celibates. There's no such thing as Involuantary Celibates, if God had meant us to be involuntarily celibate he wouldn't have created prostitutes.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 19, 2018 - 4:41pm
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 4:41pm
I'm not sure that she had a sexual dysfunction identity so I'm not sure that would count although I could be wrong.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 19, 2018 - 4:45pm
NO, UNIKISS, you're just a rightist, drunken pig.  A homophobic racist Isalmophobe doesn't cover it.  You probably pissed Trump wanted to suck Putin's dick, cutting you doing it out of the picture, rightist troll.  We can now play a game with smears.  They'll go, they'll come back too.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 4:51pm
I'm all with you bud.  I was trying to think like a liberal and be inclusive just to see where it might lead.  Since liberal tend to have no truth or consistency in their logic it seems to be leading to chaos and animosity as variou perverts fight for their own victimhood status.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 5:04pm
Because of that experience I am convinced that the LGBTQIPMCetc. is nothing more than a political movement dedicated to disrupting our traditional roles. - Chaos and confusion follow liberal thought since there are no values or logic in their reasoning.
I learned then that the gays despised transexuals, reasoning that anyone who was not 'glad to be gay' but wanted to become a facsimile of a woman was no ally of theirs. - The liberal's lack of values usually causes problems, even amongst their own.  They are bickering about changing it since it was meant to be a group of marginalized people.  The more letters, the less attention to my particular perversion.
The one that puzzles me in all this is InCels, Involuntary Celibates.  - There are apparently people who are too ugly and gross and poor to get laid.  The only answer is to create a government agency to help them,  Surely you'd agree to pay more in taxes to help, wouldn't you? 
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 5:18pm
You probably pissed Trump wanted to suck Putin's dick, cutting you doing it out of the picture, rightist troll. - Glad to see you've started drinking this evening.  Keep the booze flowing - who knows, by the end of the evening you might be able to write a clear sentence.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 5:30pm
#26 says "Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

It should have added - Encourage all sexual deviants to see themselves as marginalized and oppressed people.
HpO Added Jul 19, 2018 - 5:59pm
True, the LGBT acronym does not encompass all individuals in smaller communities. Even so, however, the acronym is generally accepted to include even those not identified by the four-letter word. And it is a word, just like US, UK, EU, TV. But unlike those words, LGBT has worked its way toward bringing sexually-identifiaby yet marginalized individuals into their general community.
The Samaritans were a bit of a challenge to society in Jesus' time. But I'm sure of it that had my Lord & Savior chosen our time and place to introduce Himself to Writer Beat, He'd say, So, James E. Unekis, take Me now to the New Samaritans, the lost sheep whom you've hot-iron branded as "LGBTQIAGNCQPASLFTNAGEALMAPSNOMAPS". Because they're the lost sheep, see, and you ain't.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 19, 2018 - 6:14pm
Quite true, James!
See tHreePiO,  Your programming is messed up.  The Samaritans even understood homosexuality was evil.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 19, 2018 - 6:15pm
C-HPO. That's a great name.  C-3PO was a confused but morally right droid.  C-HPO is a confused and degenerate droid.  Where are the Jawa's when you need them?
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 7:00pm
HpO,  As I pointed out, there is dissention amongst those who feel marginalized.  Some, including pedophiles want their letters included while some don't Many gay men were opposed to the Trannies being included.  I just sit and laugh as they debate amongst themselves as to who is most marginalized.  If you are marginalized because you are a pervert then you will suffer as a result.
While it is true that Jesus did not come (this time) to judge and ate with sinners he NEVER encouraged or celebrated sin.  I am a follower of Christ and have asked 4 different homeless people into my home.  One of them was a homosexual.  I never mocked him but when he asked I told him the truth.  Homosexuality is a sin and not something to be celebrated.  I also brought in an alcoholic and a drug abuser.  I didn't judge them but likewise told them that their behavior was sinful and should not be celebrated.  I've tutored felons in their GEDs and comforted a heroin addict as he died from complication of his disease. I didn't judge them but helped them.  I did tell some of the felons that their refusal to study was childish and that they were only hurting themselves.
I'm a sinner too and mourn for it.  I seek forgiveness and repentance.  I fail and get back up.
Should meth heads, alcoholics and Heroin addicts have an addiction pride day on floats passing through various cities?
The LGBTXXX community, however, are in your face demanding respect and are proud of their sin.  Jesus never rejoiced in sin and never encouraged others to continue in sin.
When the religious leaders of the day were preparing to stone an adulteress to death Jesus made drawings in the mud until the accusers walked away.  I suspect he was writing down various women's names but it is not clear.  His instruction to the woman was simple.  Who has condemned you he asked.  Noody, she replied.  Then Jesus said, neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.  Do you note that he didn't say go, celebrate adultery and make society aware that you are unfaithful and proud of it?
My writing here is not intended to judge anyone.  It is instead intended to point out the folly of sin and discourage those who would have pride in it.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 19, 2018 - 7:05pm
Simplify it for you. There are only two categories needed which would cover everything. MR or MF :  morally rigid or morally flexible
Good piece James :)
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 7:13pm
Thanks Burghal.  I always though that M(Male) and F(Female) was clear as well.  Now I think we need to memorize a list of 250 (and growing) gender pronouns.
My preferred gender pronoun will be "Oh wise and wonderful king, how may I serve thee".
Jeff Michka Added Jul 19, 2018 - 7:32pm
You ought to try that "how can I sere you" line with Ryan.  It will make his husband, Vinny, jealous.  So which of 250 genders are you, Unikiss?
Jeff Michka Added Jul 19, 2018 - 7:32pm
oops...I serve you...
Ryan Messano Added Jul 19, 2018 - 7:46pm
^^^^^^^TARDS Alert
James E. Unekis Added Jul 19, 2018 - 8:37pm
I prefer Sir and mister but will answer to hey, hey you, dude, man, Yo!, whassup, "Hands in the air here I can see them!" and others.  For my first name I prefer a nickname "Jim" but will answer to James.  I like my last Unekis (YOU-KNEE-KISS) but since i've had over 40 spellings in the mail I tend not to react.  Your use of Unikiss is not bad at all as I have seen Vorkis, Usukis, Eunequis and worse.
The "how may I serve thee" was a joke" which I won't explain to you since you are, I believe, brighter than you act.  I have honestly seen you write better before and it has a lot more influence when you have clear writing and can support your theories.
Ryan packs a punch simply because he articulates what he thinks and is not trying to win an approval competition.
Clearly the left and right in this country are at odds.  And I know it is very hard for both to avoid mocking each other.
But, for example, Opher and I have come to each other's defense at times.   Reaching common ground on WB is truly impressive.
Adolf Dick McMenace Added Jul 20, 2018 - 12:22am
Here's my contribution to this thread, lol:
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 12:29am
An obscure incoherent video from an obscure incoherent author.
No wonder fags like you are perishing.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 12:32am
I'll add OIV to the letters for you:
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 12:37am
Oh, I should make it about the author instead of the video.  My Bad:
Pardero Added Jul 20, 2018 - 12:46am
Michael B.
You should have provided a warning to new people. LOL
Flying Junior Added Jul 20, 2018 - 12:50am
Sorry, James.  Who exactly cares?
Stone-Eater Added Jul 20, 2018 - 4:33am
All bullshit. Luxury"problems". Character counts not sex or color. Yawn.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 20, 2018 - 4:53am
You're right Pard! Michael B really should come with an parental advisory label
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 11:15am
Michael B,
Sorry, I'm catching on that you are new here.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 11:17am
No I'm confused.  I thought Michael was new, not me.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 11:20am
I read one of his articles.  At least he stuck to his guns unlike Jeff.  You never know what you are going o get with Jeff.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 11:22am
It seems to be very important to the people trying to get o the list, like the pedophiles.  They take this very seriously.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 11:24am
What is a luxury "problem"?  That is a new term for me.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 11:29am
Michael B.,
I didn't catch on that that was Freddy Mercury.  My apologies.
Pardero Added Jul 20, 2018 - 11:30am
Michael B. can be pretty outrageous and provocative, but some us appreciative him, in spite of the stink bombs that he tosses regularly.
He is hard to pin down politically, but he is aligned with those that resent abuses of authority and a police state. He shows a great respect and appreciation for tradition and history, in spite of his irreverence.
If I was bold enough to find a category for him, I would call him a conservative Constitutionalist with a considerable libertarian streak.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 12:05pm
I'll have to look at his articles more closely.  Our growing police state should be seen of a warning and indicate what is to come.  Anyone that sees that certainly is worth a listen.
Pardero Added Jul 20, 2018 - 12:15pm
Michael B. alternates between puff pieces and carefully crafted articles that are exceptional. 
Pardero Added Jul 20, 2018 - 12:17pm
His concise history of the war in the Pacific is among his best. His article about McNamara was right up there.
Pardero Added Jul 20, 2018 - 12:21pm
He is sympathetic to pacifists, like myself, which is remarkable for a man with considerable military background, and a passion for the history of armed conflict.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 20, 2018 - 1:35pm
Thanks Pardero,
I get angered by lightweight liberals with no thought given to their articles.     Perhaps I've misjudged.  I'll check out his writing with an open mind.
Thanks again, for the heads up!
Thomas Napers Added Jul 21, 2018 - 2:00am
Really funny article and great message.  The insanity began when they started including the “T.”  Based on the link below, only 700,000 people describe themselves as being transgender, compared to 8 million people that identify as gay or lesbian.  So in adding the “T” the door was opened for the insanity you describe in your article.  For whatever it’s worth, I’m shocked there are that many transgenders, as I’ve never met one and have met plenty of gay people over my life.
MEFOBILLS Added Jul 21, 2018 - 3:07am
Thanks for laughs James
James E. Unekis Added Jul 21, 2018 - 8:52am
Things have really changed since I was a kid.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 21, 2018 - 8:53am
Glad to see some find the humor in it.
Riley Brown Added Jul 21, 2018 - 4:56pm
I thought it was simple and easy when all things not straight were considered part of the "Gay" community.  Even that community simply has a "Gay Pride" parade where anyone not straight seems to feel included.  They don't call it the LGBTQIAGNCQPASLFTNAGEALMAPSNOMAPS  pride parade so why should you?
I think the most fervent LGBT advocates believe that expounding on the name is a way of educating the public about all the idiosyncrasies the public might otherwise not be aware of.  Personally I think it just makes them look even weirder than they already look to most heterosexuals, and does that community more harm than good.
I would rather just be thought of as normal in every other way with my sexual preferences being a private matter. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 21, 2018 - 5:10pm
Good on ya bro! Thats exactly what I'm talkin' 'bout! Be who you are, mind your business, dont hurt people. ( unless they like it and are paying you for the privilege) 
Sorry Riley. Not goofin on you man. I'm in a mood. I absolutely 100% agree with you
James E. Unekis Added Jul 21, 2018 - 6:05pm
Thanks for your comment.  I remember the gay pride days back from the 80s.  I always thought that sufficed.   
I don't think I added any letters except for groups that feel that they want their letters included.  The list can only get longer
I don't think pedophiles deserve any special recognition except for  castration.
They rest of them are kidding themselves.  Only one in a hundred is going to try to memorize that list unless someone makes a song out of it. 
James E. Unekis Added Jul 21, 2018 - 6:08pm
"unless they like it and are paying you for the privilege" - I assume you mean like a marriage counselor?   lol
Flying Junior Added Jul 22, 2018 - 12:55am
Well, as far as the, "Q," all of you bitches are queer for Trump.
Stand down.  Reclaim your insanity.
Flying Junior Added Jul 22, 2018 - 12:56am
No, James.  It does not include pedophiles.  You're missing the point.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 22, 2018 - 2:18am
I kid you not, I've started seeing articles that they want to include their initial (not to my list) but to the LBGT list  They think that will help them in acceptance.
Autumn Cote Added Jul 22, 2018 - 5:09am
Isn't the reason it went from "gay" to LGB related to the fact we generally don't think of women that like other women as being gay?  I suspect because it's effort-full to say "gay and lesbian" (not to mention the question of how to order of the two words) and two-letter acronym don't make a lot of sense, the B was added.  As for the T, I have no idea when that started to be used, but I feel it was somewhat recently.  It would be nice if it went from an acronym to a single word again, as I feel there is a lot of truth in this very comical and well-written article. 
HpO Added Jul 22, 2018 - 9:45am
Whatever "their" socially and politically inventive or imposed I.D., acronym, initialism, labeling, even bigotted, hot-iron branding - regardless & even so - THE Christ Jesus of the gospels, epistles and revelation always has this one thing to say about that. And it's always new, up-to-date and constantly renewable. If you think you've heard it before, you're dead wrong. Hear it again and see if you can handle it. Otherwise you ain't much of a "Christian", are ya? Much less a "born-from-Above, fired-up and die-hard follower of THE Christ Jesus of the gospels, epistles and revelation", innit? I didn't think so. Nor God & Jesus do, actually. Because, y'know what the Messiah of Israel and the savior of the rest of the world sez? Here you go. Read & weap, 'yo (with that nasty bit there, unredacted, from brother James E. Unekis, who is a good & loving person, he says and I believe him):
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another - including your LGBTQIAGNCQPASLFTNAGEALMAPSNOMAPS fellow human beings - The New Samaritans - even as I have loved you, that you also love one another - not excluding your LGBTQIAGNCQPASLFTNAGEALMAPSNOMAPS fellow human beings - The New Samaritans!"
Source: John 13:34.
MEFOBILLS Added Jul 22, 2018 - 9:59am
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another - including your LGBTQIAGNCQPASLFTNAGEALMAPSNOMAPS fellow human beings - The New Samaritans - even as I have loved you, that you also love one another - not excluding your LGBTQIAGNCQPASLFTNAGEALMAPSNOMAPS fellow human beings - The New Samaritans!"
Please square the above comment with injunctions against Sodomy, and further - warnings against "Tower of Babel" civilizations.
Then you will have to look at the sweep of history, and determine if any civilization has withstood "anything goes" type behaviors.  
Christ wanted you to think.  John's central message is LOGOS, which is natural law - a high reasoning. 
Here is some Dana Carvey church lady video.  Anybody can be a church lady and get their kicks with moral preening:
Isn't that special
James E. Unekis Added Jul 22, 2018 - 10:07am
Yes, the G to LG was to differentiate between gay and lesbian (I think), and, as you say, to shorten the terms.  I don't really know when the B an T were added as I rarely use the term(s) anyway.  I'd love to see it all reduced to a single letter as life is complex enough.
I've heard that in N.Y.C. professionals can be fined up to $250,000 for using other than a person's preferred pronoun, though, so I suspect longer lists are in our future.
Thanks for the compliments.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 22, 2018 - 11:09am
What is a luxury "problem"?
What I mean is when a society as more or less material and financial security, no real problems on that side, it starts to create "problems" on the non-materialistic side. After all, those who propagate all that LGBTQWUI#@°|§ crap are mostly people who are more or less well off. Hungry people don't think about such minor stuff.
Riley Brown Added Jul 22, 2018 - 11:23am
James, I've always believed the Gay community should minimize the public's view of all behaviors that some straight people might be shocked and offended by because those differences alienate some people from them. 
Today homosexuals are more accepted than ever before in US history but when they hold a "Gay Pride Parade" and allow participants to do things in public, in front of little kids and cameras, that should only be done in private behind closed doors, they make themselves look like deviants by association. 
I can't blame many straight people for coming to the conclusion that all "Gay" people are weird, after all they participate in a parade that shows everyone how bizarre they are and if they do that in public can you imagine what it would be like to live near one?
Lots of straight people are equally weird but you don't see them showing off their kinky sexual desires in public and few people are aware of what they do in private or care because what they do in private doesn't effect them.  The Gay community needs to work on their branding.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 22, 2018 - 11:40am
Good one !
HpO Added Jul 22, 2018 - 1:09pm
Get this through your head, MEFOBILLS; then maybe your heart of hearts, if it's still around. Jesus didn't only "square ... with injunctions against Sodomy, and further - warnings against 'Tower of Babel' civilizations." He - drum roll please - wait for it - "fulfilled the Law"! - tada! - by obeying it throughout His life, then getting Lamb-sacrificed for it at the end. His resurrection makes everything new in the Holy Spirit, hence His "new commandment". It's His way or the Stairway to He[ll] from now on. Deal with it, and move on.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 22, 2018 - 1:18pm
While it true that Jesus (on his first visit) came to save the world,not to judge it, he had no qualms about pointing out the dangers of sin,
The long list of letters was not one I compiled without input; instead it simped includied the letters of those who want to be included.
If there was any hot-iron branding done, it was done by those who chose their initials to avoid being excluded from the growing list that stands for sexual perverts in out society.
Jesus loves everyone - enough to the point out that their unrepentant sin will land them in hell.  And if I believe that I will not end up in hell as well it has nothing to do with me being a good person.  It is only that GOD has chosen to forgive my sin because I believe he sent his son into the world to save those who have faith in him as saviour.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 22, 2018 - 1:23pm
Thanks for the explanation.
Good point too.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 22, 2018 - 1:32pm
Thanks for the comment.
God loves the sinner but hates the sin is true.  But pointing out that sexual deviancy is sin is not hate but love.  There are always consequences to our actions.  Some are temporary and others are permanent.  Sexual perversion without repentance will only and always lead to eternal separation from God. 
James E. Unekis Added Jul 22, 2018 - 1:39pm
How right you are.  Public displays of perversion are intended to desensitize normalize.  They accomplish neither 
MEFOBILLS Added Jul 22, 2018 - 2:54pm
HpO is one of those church ladies that likes to quote the Bible, and not use context:
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another - including your  ....lbgqtxyz
We CAN JUDGE the sin.  Did Jesus turn the other cheek against the money changers in the temple?  No he whipped them.  He loved them by whipping them - to correct their errant behavior.
Sodomy has been judged as a sin, and history tells us that a civilization is on the way down and out when it becomes "Sodom and Gomorrah."
Further, no Matriarchal society has ever survived.  Our forefathers weren't stupid, they just had different language.  
Matriarchal crones were called witches, and Church ladies were kept down by the Patriarchy.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 22, 2018 - 4:33pm
Thanks for the heads up. Her writing style (and my comprehension style) weren't clicking too well so, ai times. I had no idea what her point was.
Pardero Added Jul 22, 2018 - 4:46pm
You may find this inconvenient:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew 5:17-20
MEFOBILLS Added Jul 22, 2018 - 4:46pm
Well I'm calling her out as a woman.  It could be a feminized man.
There's no excuse for using bible quotes to then allow gay parades and other licentious behavior.  The bible is intended not as statutory religion (follow my laws or else) but instead is Logos.  Logos is not just the english translation "word" but has a multi dimensional meaning in the Greek.  Logic and Reason entered the world when John spoke of Logos manifesting itself as a man (Jesus).
Go back and click on Dana Carvey link, to get an idea of how Church ladies like to morally preen when it serves their interests.  
Another church cult were Temple prostitutes, which were pretty common up until the time of Christ.   These prostitutes organized themselves and tried to take over and control the church patriarchy.  
Everything in proportion and balance, which in turn is of Logos.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 22, 2018 - 7:42pm
You've expressed interests in "churching up," Unikiss...The logical church for you is the First and Last Church of Ryan.  The rightist scumbag (a lot like you-a scum bag) wants his own church, and you'd make a great first member.  You will be able to worship Ryan in a "proper setting", and Ryan will tell you what to do and believe.  Sounds win-win for both of you.  'Course, Ryan's husband Vinny, might get jealous.
HpO Added Jul 22, 2018 - 8:12pm
Wanna go super-history on this thread?  As Dumbya once said, Bring it on!  I will.  Here you go:
Heterosexual and homosexual acts of prostitution are found throughout ancient Near East history. Male and female prostitutes fornicated with male worshippers in ancient Mesopotamian, Phoenician, Cypriotic, Corinthian, Carthagian, Sicilian, Libyan, and West African temples. In fact, oral-genital and bestial forms of sexual activities were performed on behalf of these temples, with both the prostitutes and the patrons acting as surrogates for the deities of eroticism.
Leviticus - thank God & Jesus - got drafted around the same time.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 22, 2018 - 9:13pm
I am a Christian but I dont think Ryan and I would see eye to eye enough to bring edification to a body.  I've  met the man but, from his writings, I presume  that he might believe that Christians are to live sinless lives.  I don't.  When I fall into a sin God has been faithful to convict my spirit and lead me towards repentance but I've struggled with certain sins for years  But you don't get to understand peron's theology on WB.  I don't want to assume what Ryan believes.
The "heroes" of the bible are full of sin and include child molesters, liars, thieves, a whore, a coward, adulterers and murderers.  Paul who wrote much of the New Testament was a mass-murderer.  And Jesus, who was without sin, went homeless for 3 years before being put to death by the State.
Christians aren't better people than non-Christians by any means.  They have simply believed that God sent his son Jesus to bear the punishment that we deserved so that we might live with him, in bliss, in eternity.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 22, 2018 - 9:17pm
I agree with most of what you write.  I don't understand, however, the point of your last sentence.  Would you please explain?
HpO Added Jul 22, 2018 - 9:37pm
Per your R.F.I., James E. Unekis, said line is my rebuttal to Idan Dershowitz of New York Times claiming that when Leviticus was being put together by God as part of His Law for the children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, prohibitions against homosexuality were unheard of in the ancient world. Translation of that line, then, is this:
Yeah, right, gimme a break.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 22, 2018 - 10:00pm
Riley, homosexuality is debauched and deranged, no matter if it is in private or public.  All who engage in it will suffer the definite moral punishment and sometimes even a physical one.
C-HpO, You are one addle brained droid.  Constantly lying and perverting scripture.  The only reason why you get away with it is because so few know the Bible.  The Bible only endorses sex in marriage between a man and a woman, stop oerverting what it says.  
James, I never claimed to be perfect, but neither do I object to the perfect standards that Christ promises me the strength and mercy to live up to.
Riley Brown Added Jul 22, 2018 - 11:46pm
Ryan, spoken like a true believer.
I like to think that Jesus would not have shared your passion and the God I believe in isn't that petty.  There are far worse things going on than a little kinky sex behind closed doors.
By  the way correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't your good book also consider masturbation a sin...  Do you also think everyone who masturbates has also offended God by performing that debauched and deranged act in defiance of God's word?
Flying Junior Added Jul 23, 2018 - 4:14am
Don't bother talking to Ryan.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 23, 2018 - 7:11am
I'm sorry if I miss-characterized your beliefs.  It would be better if we could discuss this offline somehow but I don't think WB has a mechanism for that.
Leroy Added Jul 23, 2018 - 9:39am
I hear on the radio today that the UK lesbians want to withdraw from the LBGT movement due to the inclusion of transgenders.
MEFOBILLS Added Jul 23, 2018 - 9:51am
These groups actually don't get along and are unnatural.  
Any movement must be funded and organized.  The people funding and organizing these people are using them as tools- they are useful idiots.
For example, Gay Men and Lesbians are not friends.  Between Gay men there are two types, the Uppies and Downies (don't ask).  There is further a gay division between the Old Men and Young Men, and even more so, there are those that have long term bonds, and those that have hundreds of sex partners per year.
All of these groups have some sort of mental issue, either psycho-sexual or in the case of transgenders a more severe mental disorder. 
Who is funding and organizing these groups?  You won't like the answer, but asking it is to answer the question. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 23, 2018 - 10:03am
Those are your feelings, Riley, and you are deceived by what feels good.  No doubt sex outside of marriage feels wonderful, or else why would anyone do it?  But, reason requires humans to look further than present feelings to determine what is right and good.  When anyone has sex, it rewires the brain to desire that sex.  The brain doesn’t care of it is licit or illicit sex, it simply directs the perfectly natural sex drive down the avenue the human has already engaged in.  It is not easy to change ones desires, but, with Gods help, it is possible.
I’m not sure what God you believe in, because the God of the Bible never remotely sanctions any sex outside of heterosexual marriage.  The fact that you or anyone have this fairytale idea that God just loves people who defy him with their wicked choices is total bunk.  “If you love me, keep my commandments”
By the Bible, unbelief and a white lie will take you to hell, so imagine what sex outside of marriage, particularly homosexuality will do.  You have a lot of good ideas, this is one area that holds you back from reaching your full potential and it makes me sad.  “He is no fool who gives up that which he cannot keep, to gain that which he cannot lose”
Jim Elliott 
Yes, masturbation is a sin, I said as much earlier.  Just as a bone is broken and heals twice as strong, it is possible to sin and repent.  Everyone who masturbates has grievously sinned, and many on here are full blown captives of Satan.  It can be overcome with the grace of God. Typically church was a wonderful environment, but today, 90% of Christians know their hellivisions more than their Bibles.  The Sex Drive is to get married to someone of the opposite sex, and to have children.  It is not to try to satiate our insatiable sexual appetites.  It simply can’t be done.  The more one indulges in sex, the more one wants.  ‘Variety is the spice of life’was spoken by a man who died in an insane asylum.  A study just came out that showed that women from 1955-1960 had 3.6 kids per woman, and today the birthrate has been halved to 1.7.  So, if you want to have sex, and have good results short and long term, then marry a man, and start having kids is my advice.  
MEFOBILLS Added Jul 23, 2018 - 12:09pm
I need to clarify further my above comment about mental illness.
Some of the younger transgenders that are coming up now are due to mental illness of their Mom's.  The mom's hate men and want their boys to be girls.  So, the coerce them at a young age to take hormone blockers.  
These young transgenders are starting to come of age.  
An older transgender who opts for a sex change operation and attendant hormones, if past the age of 23, has a fully developed frontal cortex, and thus has made a (what he thinks) is a rational decision.  
The older transgender may have psycho sexual mal adaptations or jut be plain insane.  But, the younger ones - they are not equipped mentally to make those kinds of decisions, it is their psychotic Mom's that are a problem
I keep warning WB people, that this narrative that all humans are the "same" is an implanted memory.  It has no bearing on reality.  If you start to disbelieve your lying eyes, then you are doing yourself a disservice.  You are a dupe if you listen to a narrative that is contrary to what your eyes tell you.
The races are not the same, the sexes are not the same, and there are differences within categories.
In terms of statistics, populations CAN be grouped as the outliers are the exceptions.
TexasLynn Added Jul 23, 2018 - 1:15pm
Great post... exposing the lunacy of how far things have gone on this issue.
I would really like to comment on your post, but I can't... because you have said everything in your replies that I would have said. 
I particularly liked your reply to HpO concerning our Lord.  Any man who says "Christ hates fags" is a fool and does not know Him.  You can replace "fags" with any term for any sinner and the equation still applies.  Christ loves all sinners, but hates sin and we are to follow His example.
That said, He asks those who will follow Him to "repent" of sin; which means to change our minds about it.  Repentance is only possible if we recognize it for what it is... not celebrate it.
The example of the adulteress He saved from stoning is perfect here.  There has always been conjecture as to what He wrote in the dirt... scripture, names, etc...  Perhaps he wrote "Before we begin the stoning, where is the man, where is the adulterer?"
The key though is that Jesus told her that He (on the larger scale) did not condemn her.  But everyone ignores the last part.  He didn't say, "Now go have fun". He said, "go and sin no more".
James E. Unekis Added Jul 23, 2018 - 1:51pm
How interesting.  Autumn told me the same thing the day before.   Hmmm.      I don't think it's a good time for the Pedophiles to jump in then, huh?
James E. Unekis Added Jul 23, 2018 - 1:54pm
Another good response.  I think you'd be burned in hot if you said these things about mental illness in public but it is soooo true.
As to where the funding is coming from please don't tell me taxes, please.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 23, 2018 - 2:21pm
The fact that you or anyone have this fairytale idea that God just loves people who defy him with their wicked choices is total bunk.  "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."  God didn't wait  until we rid ourselves of sin.  He loved us while we were yet his enemies  I think it is clear that sinners are loved since Jesus's salvation is available until the point that we die.  Of course he despises the sin but "God wants everyone to be saved and to know the whole truth."  Even the vilest sinner may yet repent and find salvation.
Once we pass from this earth, however, we pass into judgement - in some cases eternal life and in others  hell. 
Riley Brown Added Jul 23, 2018 - 3:44pm
Ryan, thank you for a thoughtful and respectful response.
If as you indicated the only good reason for having sex is "to get married and have children", than does that mean that people who are too old to have sex should also abstain, after all once a woman goes though menopause the only benefit she and her husband can get from sex is pleasure?
I would argue that sex between any two people who don't want it to result in a pregnancy or know it can't is having fun satisfying their own sexual desires.  That would apply just as well to two Gay guys as it would apply to an older or barren couple.
I know several Catholics who have told me they love sex so much that  they regularly wait for the time of the month when pregnancy is very unlikely so that they are unlikely to have more children than they can afford.  Are they being sinful by intentionally having sex for pleasure even when they don't want another child?
Do you think poor couples should refrain from sex if they don't think they can afford to have a child? 
James E. Unekis Added Jul 23, 2018 - 5:30pm
MEFOBILLS - meant to say burned in HOT OIL.  My fingers are giving out. lol
Jeff Michka Added Jul 23, 2018 - 10:18pm
How does Ryan explain his same sex marriage to Vinny?  They already have a nice, healthy turd and rumor has it another on the way.  Of course, Riley...poor couple shouldn't have sex because they can't afford children, and abortion will soon be outlawed.  Poor people should suffer because they are poor, correct?  Answer correctly or your rightist pards will turn themselves inside out.  When confronting anti-choicers, most bobble their pointly little heads when you declare to them they are Really concerned about people having sex, and would be real happy if they weren't having sex, just like the little pointy heads aren't desired by anyone for sexual purposes..  Then they get angry.  "How DARE you!?!?!' Easy.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 23, 2018 - 11:54pm
If you have a problem with Ryan, or with me, please articulate your
position and enter into a debate.  This pointless ramble ruins WB, but also proves you have nothing of substance to say.  I've seen you write better than this and would encourage you to try.  I've looked at the attention your articles draw and you've got pretty poor levels of readership.  Don't you aspire to write like MEFOBILLS or TEX?
As it is you are mentioned in many articles as someone to delete or ignore.  Many of us here are either published authors or are currently working on a novel or a historic piece of non-fiction.  You are not funny,  cute or even annoying as your writing skills are so bad.  Why not use this forum to improve?  I think you'd be surprised at the outpouring of support and encouragement.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 24, 2018 - 8:05pm
It's better to be warned before one is dead, than judged when it's too late, James.
You are welcome, Riley.
No, the entire purpose of the sex drive is to get married and have kids, but that doesn't mean that barren women, or men and women past childbearing age shouldn't have sex.  It's personal.  I am actually starting to come down on the side that only the missionary position is good for sex.  It seems as people have tried all the other positions that the value of staying married to one partner and having kids has gone out the window.  Now, sex seems to be a test.  If someone can sexually satisfy a person, then they can be a good spouse, and the minute that ends, kick them to the curb and find someone else.  Totally heartless and cruel.  Sex is not rocket science.  Adam and Eve needed no instructions, and one doesn't need to win the Sexual Olympics the moment one becomes married.  Besides, those who deny themselves sex rarely fail to be those who can practice the most self control in the sexual act, which makes them the greatest lovers.  Besides, the most powerful sex organ in the body is the brain, and friendship and kindness are enduring and eternal, outlasting the greatest sex ever.  You don't go to funerals to hear about how the deceased was a great sexual performer.  You go to hear how they served and loved others.  Sex is simply a form of giving, and when done selflessly in the context of heterosexual marriage, it yields amazing results, short and long term. 
Sex between two people who are unmarried and are trying to avoid kids maybe be extraordinarily terrific in the short term, but the long term consequences are not worth it.  It's a tremendous waste of time having sex with a person one is not married to.  Becoming vulnerable as one does during sex with a person who one has no commitment to or from is extremely damaging to the psyche, as it is a human acknowledging that they are so inferior, that they have to open themselves up and become vulnerable to people who don't see enough value in them to remain with them forever.  It tears the soul apart, and studies have shown that male DNA actually can stay inside of a female sex partner's brain for the rest of her life. 
I mean no offense, but can you confirm what sex you were born as?  I appreciate it.  It's disconcerting to have questions when I'm talking to someone.  No matter what people want to pretend, we will always be the gender we were born as, no matter what disinformation the lamestream media feeds us. 
The Catholics aren't even following their own doctrine, which forbids all birth control, even the natural rhythm method.  It is a sin to have sex and avoid children willfully.  If you don't want children, don't get married, and don't have sex.  Stop being selfish and depriving those who do want children of partners, so you can satisfy your own sexual drives which end in nothing but death. 
No, poor people should never abstain from sex to avoid having children.  It's their job to try and raise them and often it makes men rise to levels they never did before and attain things they never did before.  Many a man  has grown up by getting married and having kids.  The men married poor, and the love of his wife transformed him into a successful man who raised happy and successful children.  Societies who place money above life always collapse.  Christian Societies that place life above money, always have more of the latter than they know what to do with.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 24, 2018 - 8:05pm
Thank you, James.
Flying Junior Added Jul 26, 2018 - 2:24am
This has to be without a doubt the craziest thread I have ever read on the WB.  Much like a parent's garage, four musicians and a keg with no girls, I am forced to confer the title, gay party on your gathering.  I applaud your effort to come at this from a Christian point of view.  However, there is a newer point of view than hate the sin, love the sinner.  That's so thirty years ago.  We have ordained gay ministers in the Presbyterian church.  I'm not sure exactly where other mainstream protestant churches stand on that issue, but many certainly welcome any and all worshippers regardless of identity.  Not to do so is to fall behind the times.  Other than evangelicals and their conservative partners people are falling away from the churches in droves.
My thoughts on sex?  I like it dirty and private.  But I don't condemn exhibitionists if that's what turns them on.
Gay pride is getting a little bit out-of-hand in San Diego.  But we are a gay-friendly city.  You adjust.  Pay no mind if it bothers you.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 26, 2018 - 10:28am
"The Gay Party"?  LOL    I did get a nice compliment from Autumn Cote but other than that it was all men.
True believers don't believe that morality is related to time "30 years ago" but is found in GOD who never changes.  I think that those who support LGBT lifestyles now will support the Pedophile lifestyle in 30 years.  Pedophiles are already making their initial moves to be seen as marginalized.
You are right, there is a falling away, especially by the young and is even greater in Europe.  Most bible believing Christians have been expecting this since the bible predicts a great falling away as we approach the end times.
Paul teaches believers to "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body."  I was married and faithful until I was 38.  I started dating in my 40's with the intention of waiting again for marriage but failed on several occasions.  Wow, women have gotten sexually aggressive since I was young.  So I, personally have not succeeded in this on all occasions but continue to resist.
I see sex as a wonderful thing but to be shared only by a man and his wife.  I turn to Jesus for forgiveness when I sin, repent and try to
be obedient.  I believe he sees my heart and forgives me.
Thanks for commenting.
Riley Brown Added Jul 26, 2018 - 2:07pm
Jeff M, I strongly suggest you read other people's posts much more carefully before you berate them for things they never said or implied. 
You make yourself look incompetent when you post comments that show you can't even understand what you've read. 
People might be more forgiving of your obvious mistakes if you weren't so busy insulting them.  Being insulted by you is a little like being barked at by a tiny dog, irritating but not something to be taken too seriously, since everyone knows the little dog has no idea what's really going on.
Riley Brown Added Jul 26, 2018 - 2:26pm
Ryan, please forgive me, I like my to keep my own sexuality as separate from my opinions as possible, and that is why I don't discuss it in public.  I don't mind the question, but want to continue avoiding the stereotype. 
I don't view sex as only a means to procreation, to me it's a very pleasurable part of life that I think everyone should be able to enjoy once they are old enough.  I'm not overly religious but tend to think God would not have made orgasms so fantastic and desirable if we weren't expected to want to enjoy them as often as we could.
To me a good relationship should include enough mutual sexual gratification to satisfy both partners and I don't believe those intensely pleasurable experiences should only be enjoyed by people who are hoping the result will be a pregnancy.
Telling single people they should not enjoy sex makes no more sense to me than telling them they shouldn't eat good tasting food.  Telling an old person to give up the sex they and their partner enjoy so much because they are too old to have kids ignores all the bonding, exercise and relaxation benefits they also get from a good healthy sex life.
Even in a marriage, sex is fun exercise, relaxing and fosters a feeling of intimacy between people like no other activity I know of.  Even if you never masturbated I find it hard to believe that you don't engage in sex with your wife at times when you knew propitiation was not possible, but did it anyway to satisfy your or your wife's sexual urges.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 26, 2018 - 7:01pm
I can't remember which tv tent preacher it was, but remember this guy went on about how good gay sex was, and if more peole knew how good it was, they'd be gay, too.  I don't have much use for you, Riley.  You are usually condescending or off point, like now.  Is it really fun to be a WB rightist?  Your triviality and condescension is best illustrated by:  "but did it anyway to satisfy your or your wife's sexual urges".  Ryan has Vinny for that, but is scared to admit it.  It's your statement.  It's classic Riley condescension, saying nothing, as is your intent.  If you actually said something meaningful, another rightist may not approve!!!  Horrors!!!
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2018 - 12:09am
Jeff M, there you go again... ranting about things that have absolutely nothing to do with the forum.
Do you spend all day worrying about what Gay people do in their bedrooms, or does it just drive you nuts when you comment in forums?  Can't you just have fun and be content if other people do too as long as it doesn't effect you?

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