How do we treat strangers?

Most people like to think they treat strangers like we’d like to be treated, with unlimited generosity, but few walk the talk.

 

A rather generous man who rarely uses his own backyard discovers a homeless man has been living there in a small tent right next to the ally, what should he do?  His heart goes out the man and he’s inclined to let him stay because he’s doing no harm other than a little dead grass under his tent and lets him live in a RV trailer that is already in his back yard.  About a month later he notices the man now has a little dog that he saved from almost certain death at the pound; it’s cute but barks at night and even though the homeless man picks up the poop, the grass has lots of small dead urine stains and doesn’t seem sanitary anymore.  What the heck, he feels lucky to own a house and doesn’t object.

 

The next month the homeless man adds some family members, and another rather dilapidated RV.  The homeless man explains they have nowhere else they can go, and even though he really doesn’t like what’s going on he sucks it up imagining how he’d feel if he were in their shoes.  He notices they now have an extension cord running from the RV’s to an outlet on his porch.

 

Soon his neighbors start complaining because the extra cars are complicating his neighbors parking and some are even suggesting the homeless have been responsible for missing things in the neighborhood.  Instead of caving in the generous man reminds his neighbors how lucky they are to have homes of their own and tells them they are his guests.

 

The situation continues, a few more people move there too, and although they are keeping the yard clean and putting out the trash, the constant noise becomes more than a little annoying and it’s starting to cost him more money.  He’s had to order an extra trash can from the city and his water and power bill is up.  The breaker on the electric circuit they plugged into popped too many times and had to be replaced, that was expensive.

 

When his own family has birthdays and other special occasions he feels compelled to invite his new neighbors but doing so is not popular with his family or relatives and his backyard guests have started asking for handouts rather regularly, mostly for food for the children, and when it’s hot, cold drinks.  His wife begins to be upset about how often there are people she doesn’t even know in her own backyard.

 

Things finally come to a head when his own wife tells him they have to go or she’s going back to mom and taking their kids with her after one of the backyard guests puts a big dent in her car and had no money to get it fixed.  He finally asks them to leave and promptly learns he will have to evict them because they do live there.  He feels horrible, especially for the children, but after a few months and a few thousand dollars in legal fees, they are gone.

Is he a good man?  Did he do the right thing?

Comments

Henry Ortiz Added Jul 23, 2018 - 10:53pm
What do you think?
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 23, 2018 - 10:59pm
Riley, classic strawman. 
 
You have confused a generous man with one who doesnt understand he has been already taken advantage of. 
 
If you had the guy come up and ask, that would be a bit different
Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice.
 
Doesnt work for me.
 
 
 
James Travil Added Jul 23, 2018 - 11:00pm
If it were me it wouldn't have gone that far. I would have taken the man to the Department of Job and Family Services and gotten him hooked up with temporary housing and job training, plus drug treatment if he needed it. Such programs exist (so far), I know because I helped a homeless man who asked me for money to said programs. There is a good approach (such as the man in the story tries) and a better approach which ultimately benefits more people in more ways. Then there is doing nothing of course, but that is just rotten if you have some time and energy to help. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 23, 2018 - 11:42pm
Excellent piece, Riley.  Liberals rarely are generous in person but they are generous with others money.    They often get pangs of compassion when other peoples money is at stake, but their miserliness rarely fails to triumph when it comes to their own.
 
The wealthy liberals are notorious for this.  Bill Gates, Buffett, Steyer, pro athletes, actors, singers, Bezos, Musk, liberal academia, and the media love to use others money and make us feel bad for not wanting to increase burdensome taxes, but they have no compunction living in the lap of luxury, with walls all around, often sexually debauching any peons they can lure in their lair with their dazzling display of wealth and power.  All that glitters is not gold.
 
Unlike the early liberals like Carnegie, Rockefeller, and Giannini, who devoted their entire fortunes to doing useful things for mankind, until their heirs and estate managers perverted their values upon their demise, today’s liberals don’t understand noblesse oblige. Giving people college scholarships to be brainwashed into your diseased way of thinking isn’t helping people.  Today’s billionaires spend their money on stupid population control measures, fighting imaginary problems like climate change, dumb education programs like common core, and other nonsensical liberal fairy tales.  A fool and his money are soon parted.  Sadly, the richest among us are some of the most corrupt and foolish.  When history is written, today’s liberals will be mocked and ridiculed.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jul 24, 2018 - 3:28am
The homeless man is smart in his psychology of human behavior and the law. He uses a foot in the door and other techniques.  Surely if this landowner had laid down the rule that if a cat is added you are out, the squatter would have understood. But even so, if he had already been there for x amount of time, he already knew he was a legal tenant and could bring whomever he wants.
 
Of course, the owner gave him no restricting lease.  Some humans are compassionate and kind and others are mindless and inconsiderate. Mustafa has a point. Yours is an emotionally appealing piece that would mobilize bias against the homeless.
 
Some groups use a similar approach to prevent the government from assisting the poor and the needy.  "They are in front of me in a supermarket line and their shopping cart is full to the hilt and they are paying with food stamp. " 
HpO Added Jul 24, 2018 - 7:14am
It's bad enough that just a "few walk the talk." But wanna who's much worse? The many who can't even "[t]alk the [w]alk" in the 1st place & in the long run. Take you for a classic example. Who'll take you seriously going forward. Oh that's right: The many who can't even "[t]alk the [w]alk" in the 1st place & in the long run.
 
Don't bother researching for your next "[t]alk the [w]alk" misadventure & mishap. Much less rubbing shoulder with the rest of us "homeless" people. Stick to patronizing.
Riley Brown Added Jul 24, 2018 - 10:30am
Henry and Mustafa, the man is a real neighbor who lives about 5 blocks from me.  I walk in the ally behind his house several times a week and had no idea he had people living in his yard until I ran into him piling all the junk they left behind in the ally.  There was much more than he could fit in his trash cans and much of it was far too large like old beat up mattresses. 
 
His story was much longer than what I posted, but that is the essence of what he told me over a few days.
Riley Brown Added Jul 24, 2018 - 10:38am
Henry, I'm well acquainted with eviction problems and would never have allowed someone to stay at my house after I discovered them.
 
Where I live if you allow someone stay at your house for a few days to get back on their feet they can argue they live there and then you have to evict them.  It gets real bad if they are unemployed and have dependent children with them.
 
I've see boyfriends and girlfriends require eviction and there have even been cases where live in maids have stopped "working" and continued to live in the house for months until they could be evicted.  
Riley Brown Added Jul 24, 2018 - 10:51am
Dr Green I'm not sure if the homeless man was smart or just caviler about taking more and more from his generous benefactor.  He and all his friends treated the homeowner like a real sucker. 
 
From what I can see the homeowner is just a common working stiff, not real well off himself.  The house is run down for the neighborhood, his yard is not impressive, his cars are old, and his RV looks like it hasn't moved in years.
 
The homeowner was just trying to be a nice guy and got totally shafted for all his good intentions.  The people who were staying in his backyard got real nasty after he started the eviction process, took stuff that wasn't theirs and damaged some of his property.  He wouldn't say what it cost him to get them out but did say it cost him "thousands of dollars" via an attorney.
Gerrilea Added Jul 24, 2018 - 10:58am
Riley--- The nose of the camel, so to speak.  I think your neighbor was "too kind" and a bit foolish.  Since I pay, on average, 43% of my income for taxes, I've done my share of "helping". 
 
James T's approach is the same I've engaged in with homeless people asking for handouts.  A few of them got angry and hostile.  They didn't want to get help.  Others I gave grocery bags of food and supplies but never would I allow them in my home or property.  I don't pick up hitchhikers either.  My personal safety is paramount.
 
Is there an answer to your question of, "Is he a good man?"  Isn't "good and evil" all relative and in the eye of the beholder?
 
As for your other question, "Did he do the right thing?"  Clearly the results establish he did not.
 
 
Riley Brown Added Jul 24, 2018 - 12:37pm
Gerrilea, although I'd like to think I'm a good judge of people, time has proven I'm not so I have been forced to treat everyone with suspicion, even those who don't deserve it.
 
I don't know my neighbor well enough to judge him but in this case I agree he was too trusting and got burned as a result.  However I do respect him for his extreme generosity and desire to help those who have less than he has.
 
I think he was trying to be a good man and is a good person, but that doesn't make what he did a good idea and I doubt he'd do it again.
Gerrilea Added Jul 24, 2018 - 12:45pm
Riley B--- I came to the conclusion, decades ago that there is a simple truth in this phrase: "Give a man a meal and he's fed for the day, teach him to feed himself and he'll be fed for a lifetime".
 
I also have respect for his motivations, even if they were misplaced.
 
Neil Lock Added Jul 24, 2018 - 2:45pm
Riley: To respond to your opening statement. My view is along the lines of "Be as nice as you want to be, but watch how they treat you in return." (A bit like "Trust, but verify.") And, for me, any dishonesty, however small, is bad news; and if repeated, should lead to disengagement.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 24, 2018 - 4:44pm
Riley,
When my neighbor lost his painting job I put an envelope in his hands with $,1000 dollars in it.  I also hired him for painting and other jobs around my house at basically the same pay I was making.  I've asked homeless people into my home on numerous occasions including addicts and alcoholics.  I got one of them into a 3 week long treatment program.  When I found out that he went right back to the bottle I quit buying him food but kept encouraging him to quit.  I,ve been stolen from and used.  I've tutored prisoner in their GEDs.  Some faked their comprehension and failed while others applied themselves and passed.  I had a neighbor who had gone from a back injury to Oxy addict to Heroin addict and ended up on Methadone.  His family disowned him and he didn't have any friends so I befriended him.   When he found out that he had late stage bladder cancer I decided that I wasn't going to let him die alone.  I worked across the street so I'd come visit him  during lunch, after work, and helped him to get groceries.  I also watched his cat while he was hospitalized or stopped by if he needed to talk.
 
I often give give money to people on the street.  I probably wasn't wise in my approach and I'm sure my bank account could be higher but I did try to do, in an imperfect way, what I think Jesus would have done.    Even with the people who stole from me I hope that just being loved may have had an impact.  If it didn't then that is on them.  
 
I've made plenty of mistakes in my own life and it hurts me that I have to pay $100 an hour just to talk with a counselor.  I don't have enough money to make a big impact but I do what I can.  I'd rather be taken advantage of than miss an opportunity to help someone who really needs it.  I don't see the government as efficient enough to reach everyone in need to it it really depends on each of us doing what we can. 
 
Some people mistake my charity for weakness. I'm usually a little slow to catch on but I will put and end to enabling behaviours
Riley Brown Added Jul 24, 2018 - 5:45pm
Neil, I think my neighbor had the best of intentions and felt real good in the beginning but in the end felt used and unappreciated and would never do it again.
 
Despite his huge heart he now thinks people who do what he did are foolish and likely to be used and taken advantage of by lots of people who won't hesitate to screw them the second they have a chance.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 24, 2018 - 6:55pm
Riley,
You certainly run a risk.  But the reward is when you know you've reached out in love to someone who truly needed it.
 
Yea, true, there are a lot of takers and scammers and frauds.  But there are also people in very real need.
 
Nobody ever gets the mix right.  But a bigger issue to me is that there are not enough people even trying.  Look at Joel Olsteen as he refused to open his megachurch to those who lost everything to flooding.  No wonder the church is mocked as hypocrites.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 24, 2018 - 7:30pm
Well, hate to break it to Riley and other WB rightists, but I allowed 8 people "camp space" while they got housing alternatives.  It was all pretty simple, but it really pissed a couple of people off, including the local Trump Nazi who had his kid outdoors in the evening, calling  "Nigger, Nigger, Nigger" and of course, I was a "damned nigger lover."  had to struggle with the city, but they all stayed.  It meant, "No drugs, alcohol, or crime."  And they stayed trouble free, no worries.  Got permanent housing and services, but had a safe place to stay while waiting.  You rightists have a problem with a response like that from me.  Too bad, and Riley IS  a partisan fool.  You help out, Riley?  Doubt it.  Neighbors here helped lay in waterlines and helped folks with equipment and even a generator and space heaters.  It was December, so cold living outdoors.  These folks went out of their way to be unintrusive, so find the way it was described n the "article" was meant to be demeaning.  I'm surprised ol rightist Riley didn't call them "those people".
James E. Unekis Added Jul 24, 2018 - 7:48pm
Jeff,
Good job.  I am impressed.  No one had the right to criticise you when you were the one helping others in need.  I was lucky since I didn't have my neighbors slinging racial slurs.  I can't imagine the rage that you and your guests felt.
 
It is good to know that your neighbors helped with waterlines and other needed equipment.  
 
It always warms my heart to hear about people willing to help the less fortunate.
 
I applaud you sir.
 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 24, 2018 - 8:10pm
Well, thanks for the head nod, James.  Unlike a lot of people, I don't see homeless people as dangerous threats, criminals, junkies, or just lazy like many of your fellow WB rightists see them.  They are people.  They're having hard times, and it's not because "they want to be homeless."  3 of these folks were vets.  You know, the same people rightists love for their sacrifices, but won't do much to support them in reality.  These folks I invited here were my guests.  If the next door gruppenfuhrer wanted to march around his yard armed, have his stupid bully child yelling racial slurs, these folks have heard worse...they are homeless and don't count.  I enjoyed watching the Trumpist scared.  His spawn from hell survived to bully Hispanic kids another day.   The big TRUMP sign in his yard didn't help him.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jul 24, 2018 - 10:37pm
If I know you or you work for me I'm generous to a fault. 
 
If I don't know you I'll step over you in the street without a second glance. 
Riley Brown Added Jul 24, 2018 - 11:37pm
Jeff, good for you and I'm glad things worked out.
 
I'm not without sympathy for strangers but my threshold is higher than yours, I would not allow homeless people to live in my yard like my neighbor did, and your situation does not resemble that by what you said.
 
I have no doubt there are homeless people living not too far from you and I don't hear you claiming that you have offered to let them camp out in your yard.  That is for all practical purposes what my neighbor did until doing so became to inconvenient, and expensive for him to live with.
 
Please explain why you haven't invited homeless people to live in your yard, now that the other folks are gone, since you seem to be trying to hold the high ground on this by setting an example for others like me to follow?
 
Also explain how this subject is partisan, as you stated?  I must have missed that part when I authored the forum and for the record, I have no idea what political leanings my neighbor has.
 
 
Riley Brown Added Jul 24, 2018 - 11:45pm
Wow Jeff M., I just read your last post and you might be surprised how many homeless are capable but not willing to work.  Oh I know lots do have mental issues but also have known many personally who could easily work if they wanted to and others who only pretend to be homeless during the day when they panhandle.
 
I also wonder if you'd feel the same if your "guests" had refused to leave once the crisis was over and you had to spend several thousand dollars to get them to leave.  That might even be too much for you... or maybe not. 
 
Please do explain why you havn't back-filled with homeless people now that you have all that extra space that could easily be used by the homeless?
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2018 - 5:17am
A little too exaggerated. I think there's a difference between being kind and generous and being taken advantage of.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 25, 2018 - 11:35am
I find it funny that many of the Sanctuary Cities are going through a homeless crisis.  Gee, what could be the connection.
Riley Brown Added Jul 25, 2018 - 2:10pm
I though about what you said about my neighbor taking the homeless man to a job center an helped him get a job but from what I've seen most of the real homeless don't want jobs.  I've had several friends try to offer chronically unemployed people they knew jobs and they always turned them down.
 
I know someone who almost always had the ability to offer low paying factory jobs, and often did just for fun when we passed people with "will work for food" signs on freeway off-ramps.  He did that for years and NO ONE ever accepted.  Once they realized he wasn't going to give them money they usually ignored him.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 25, 2018 - 4:58pm
Riley, yu are just a run of the mill condescending rightist jerk off.  Why didn't I make my yard a permanent homeless camp?  Why are you such a condescending jerk?  I'll answer if you do.  I don't have a reason for not making it permanent, because that wasn't the issue, a "safe place to stay for a month" was "task at hand."  We could do that, so did.  I don't think a smattering of homeless camps in people's yards a solution to homelessness, particularly not in this area, it's real bad here.  Permanent solutions are required, and your "they could work", all the folks that stayed here did work.  But when a small, 1 bdrm apt runs to nearly $1000 a month...You are, as mentioned just a condescending rightist jerk, Riley.  "Once "THEY' realized"  "They" and "Themism," Riley I'm sure your rightist pards will pat you on the back, I wouldn't use a 2x4 across it.  Maybe your buddy wouldn't even pay people he soooo "generously offered low paying jobs."  Did it "for fun", eh?  Have you and your buddy gone to a homeless camp, soaked someone in gasoline and set the person on fire, "just for fun?"
Riley Brown Added Jul 25, 2018 - 6:05pm
Jeff M, you're hardly the only one who has helped out people with no where else to go but you sure act like you hold the high ground for letting people camp in your yard, which begged the question I asked about whether or not you were also willing to help out your local homeless by letting them use a piece of your yard that you don't use.    I wanted to know how far you go, and you got nasty.
 
This forum isn't all about you, or me.  Over a year ago I made a patio room into a room for a victim of domestic violence who stayed for almost a year while I paid for everything including food.  Everyone does that sometimes, and it has nothing to do with this forum topic or my intended discussion of moral issues.
 
If you don't that doesn't make you a jerk but your hot headed demeaning response to my question sure doesn't make you look like the calm well thought out person I suspect you like to think you are.
 
You managed to take a forum topic that had no political content and make it in your mind into some sort of right wing Trump conspiracy, and attack me and some of your fellow WB commenters for being evil.
 
Jeff, it's all in your mind, you are not the only person who helps others, and all those who you think don't help others aren't Trump supporters...  I think you spend too much time reading internet conspiracy sites.  Take off the tin foil and re-read the forum statement, it isn't political at all.
 
And by the way I don't think any less of my neighbor for being so kind to strangers, or in the end for kicking them out, he did more for a stranger than I would have in the first place, and I think things might have gotten a lot worse if he'd not evicted them.  It was a heart wrenching story I thought others on WB might want to think about.  
Riley Brown Added Jul 25, 2018 - 6:14pm
Jeff M, my friend's jobs were real, janitorial and assembly, min wage and for new people he cuts them a check and cashes it for them at the end of the day if they accept.  He does the same for friends of good workers who bring their friends in to try working at his factory.  If they work out for few day he formally hires them, also for min wage.  He doesn't like to hire them the first day because it's a lot of paperwork, and lots of the new ones don't last a week.
 
I never saw someone on the street say ok to him, not even once.
 
I also have extended family that has lived on the street, and even 2 that died on the street at very young ages.  I knew them as kids, watched them grow up and probably know more about how they live than you ever will.  Several have been in jail many times, it's not unusual for them to end up in the hospital after getting in fights, and none of them are willing to work.  Several are no longer welcome at their parents homes, and at this time none are even allowed to sleep in their parents yards, much less their homes.  When you see people who live on the street beware they often look normal and there may not be anything wrong with them physically, but most are not the type of people you would like to spend much time around.
Riley Brown Added Jul 25, 2018 - 6:18pm
James E, Southern California and other places where the weather is mild in the winter have become a magnet for homeless and it's overwhelming many previously very tolerant communities. 
 
Sometimes I like to bike and the bike paths in many places have become homeless camps that attract hundreds or thousands of people.  They quickly become very unsanitary, overrun with trash, including discarded needles and full of stolen things like bicycles.  Homes and businesses around them don't fare well.  I don't like riding near where they squat, I don't feel safe.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 25, 2018 - 6:47pm
Poor, scared Riley, "doesn't  safe."  Then Riley should hide in his house, cradling a gun for when the homeless hoards overrun him.  You tried to portray that guy as a hapless fool, if he'd just been a good rightist, nothing "bad" would have happened.  You keep up the phony BS about how they don't work, prompting thoughts of being criminals, junkies and other form of undesirable.  Same old rightist crap....you know what's good for them, 'cause Riley KNEW some, And you mock me?  Same old "demonizing" Bullshit, Riley.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 25, 2018 - 7:53pm
One of the problems in our country is that we have around 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners.  The impact is that now about 1 in 3 working age Americans have a record, and that record never goes away.  Most companies won't hire someone with a record because of liability issues.
 
John Stossel did a report with an expert who estimates that almost all American commit between 1 to 3 felonies a day.  We just have so many laws.  We all have this ability to ignore our own crimes but that time you gave a family member a prescription pill, or copied a movie or song, or put a certain battery in a trashcan, or drove over the alcohol limit or had a marijuana seed (in some states) in your car means that you, also, are a criminal  You might not have been caught but others are denied the opportunity to ever have a meaningful job for doing somethings that you've done as well.
 
We live in a horribly judgmental country.  Keeping 1/3 of our nation's population vocationally hobbled for life only ensures that our crime rates will remain high.  Many apartments do background checks as well which just makes the homeless population worse..
 
So next time you go to throw away a can that says - it is a Federal Violation to dispose of this......Remember.  That is a real law, violation a real felony, the EPA carries real guns, and there are people rotting in cells all across this nation for crimes like that.
 
Any discussion about our Nation's homeless problem needs to address that as well.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 25, 2018 - 8:02pm
Very well, Unikiss, you brought up the revolving private prison door as part of the homeless problem, and it is as much as it's a wider problem in society.  This revolving door has deepest origins in the private prison industry, and has driven the cycle for a very long time w/o question.  So the constant arrest, try and sentence routines will carry on as it's "good business."  Can't have to ol private sector burdened with the ills of society unless it's for a good dollar and constant profit.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 25, 2018 - 8:32pm
Well Jeff, I agree with you.  Prison for profit only makes for longer stays since the private corporation determines if anyone gets time off for good behavior or not.
 
Then there is also more police corruption as they are bribed to pile on the charges.
Rusty Smith Added Jul 25, 2018 - 11:59pm
Jeff Michka you're a real piece of work.  You barge into Riley's forum, insult participants and Riley without actually adding to the forum, and try to make it all about you and your politics.    Now you accuse Riley of being scared?  Excuse me, how do you dream all this stuff up yourself?  I read the same form and don't see any of the things you seem to have your panties in a knot over.
 
Do you think the whole world is against you?
 
Maybe the rest of the world is right, and you're the one living in a fantasy world.  You seem to do that a lot in other forums.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jul 26, 2018 - 12:01am
@ James. " One of the problems in our country is that we have around 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prisoners.  The impact is that now about 1 in 3 working-age Americans have a record, and that record never goes away.  Most companies won't hire someone with a record because of liability issues.
 
Excellent point. I could speak empirically on the subject. Below is abstract for my 2012 dissertation.
 
With slavery over, white men were enraged that the inferior Negro would consider himself an equal who might covet what had been theirs alone. They also wanted to maintain the cheap labor pool needed to pick cotton, mine coal and do other back-breaking work they didn’t want to do. Whenever additional labor was needed, law enforcement cracked down on black communities. Able men were arrested for minor crimes and on trumped-up charges that resulted in harsh sentences that put them on someone’s chain gang. (Abstract)
 
Annually, California, New York State, and New Jersey combined to release about 300,000 generally unskilled and mobile individuals into the community (Coley & Barton, 2006; Rosenbaum, Faer, & Parks, 2010).  Some ramifications of the problem were: (a) In some inner-city communities, a significant number of high school-aged Black males had criminal records (b).  Individuals with criminal records had difficulty securing employment, and if they secured employment, they earned significantly less than individuals of similar socioeconomic background who had no criminal record (Street, n. d).
The report that 70% of school-aged men in the North Lawndale neighborhood on Chicago’s West Side were ex-offenders (Barber, n. d) could serve as a harbinger of NYC’s economic outlook. 
 
 
William Stockton Added Jul 26, 2018 - 1:15am
Most of the time, people help strangers to make themselves feel better.  That's it 99% of the cases.
I help family and friends because I know them and love them.  Huge difference.
Keep strangers at safe distances until they earn trust and your friendship.  Rule to live by.  
 
I had a dear friend killed (murdered) by someone she knew as an acquaintance.  She tried to help him at his behest.  She was the type that believed that God would protect her, lead her, and called her to help people.  Ultimately, her generous religious convictions became a blind-spot where caution would be blatant and instinctive. 
It's a damn tragedy and one of the reasons I left religion altogether.  She was a beautiful person. 
 
Irrational empathy from either the political left or the religious right is mortally dangerous . . . not just financially.
Riley Brown Added Jul 26, 2018 - 10:15am
William S. I tend to agree, when I help other people I feel good and when I've been helping others and something happened that made me not feel good, I stopped helping.
 
I've worked as a volunteer in many places, doing physical labor in some and teaching in others.  In both environments I've occasionally been given a hard time by he people running the place, it didn't feel good and I quit.
 
In one where I was a volunteer teacher I told them I needed to take a day off in a few weeks and the person I was reporting to berated me for not being someone they could count on.  The next day I went into the director's office and told them why I was quitting. 
 
I think it's good for society when people help others improve their lives and some do it by donating money, others like me with more time than money prefer to offer physical assistance.  I only do things that I believe help society and yes, things that make me feel good.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 26, 2018 - 11:27am
Dr. Rupert Green,
As I'm sure you are aware slavery in the United States is still fully legal based on, of all things, the 13th amendment.  Section 1 of the Amendment provides: “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
 
Laborers may receive 40 or 50 cents an hour but may be forced to work for free.

Are we to believe that bribes don't ensure longer sentences to retain this free labor?  The longer sentences make it harder for prisoners to adjust to "life on the outside".  This helps drive the homeless situation.
 
Once set free they remain electronically, economically hobbled.
 
In this way every sentence is a life sentence and blacks and males are unequally treated not only in being sentenced but in the duration of time they recieve (blacks more than whites, males more than females) for the same crimes.
 
 
wsucram15 Added Jul 26, 2018 - 11:44am
oddly enough...I am just like that man. Perhaps worse until about 5 years ago. I wrote about it.
I learned a couple of things from my very bad experience..I dont try to help people to an extreme I can not recover from easily.  (ie; giving someone a dollar or two  OR helping someone off the streets and them costing you thousands).  I learned to lend my time or the couple of dollars.
Make sure you keep tabs on every utility on a rental property and you document your whereabouts.  VERY IMPORTANT.  I keep very good records, if not, it would have cost me about 6,300.00 in utilities.
 
Dont help friends and try really hard not to help family. It sucks, but you will most often (not always) but most of the time..get taken advantage of and depending on the relationship, its just a loss you live with. I do have to say though that most of my friends have much more than I do, so helping out my close friends is not a thing.   
If you want to help, go out and help with kids or animals.  Its really cool and does make you feel good.
Riley Brown Added Jul 26, 2018 - 1:54pm
wsucram, I do help friends a lot but usually by providing things like food that they can use or I have them over for dinner, buy their kids clothes or other things that I know will help but are hard to abuse.
 
In the past I loaned people including friends and coworkers money but after losing most of that money, (over 10K), and the "friends", I no longer loan money to anyone.  I know it's usually a recipe for failure, at least for me.
 
I'm close to some family and would do anything for them including move them in with me, but others have rejected me and I wouldn't lift a finger for them.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 26, 2018 - 5:52pm
Alas, once again, poooooor Riley!!  And you also, like frightened Rusted (he's worried about being overwhelmed by the grand MS13 army, swarming over "the open border."  And your "you take the moral high ground," sounds like sour grapes, Riley.  I wasn't the one posting the article mocking some poor guy who didn't go about the business of helping fellow citizens and people very well.  But for all you say you've done in the name of homeless folks, you do make them out to be scary adversaries, somehow out to "get you."  There was no other way to read it.  But I'm the problem "taking high motral ground?'  Is that why I did it, worthless-ass millennial?  I hardly think what we did (there were more folks involved than just me, so save it cornbread.) was terribly important or wonderful.  It was solving a problem that had only been given shrugged shoulders as a solution.  Not the first time.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 26, 2018 - 6:57pm
Jeff,
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I'm just checking to make sure I understood you.
 
 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 26, 2018 - 7:26pm
 Well, looks like ol Jimmy Asskiss feels better, er...bitter.  Please explain your insults.  You are the same piece of human waste you've always been.  I'm sure Riley and your other rightist buddies are laughing, but then they don't know what to laugh at...You've made noise, are you happy, asswipe? 
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2018 - 12:13am
Yes JEFF M, I do laugh a lot at your comments and I'm sure others do too.  I do hope that it's just a show and you are actually just playing around.  If you're really that out of touch with the material you are commenting on that's pretty sad.
Michael B. Added Jul 27, 2018 - 2:02am
Hi Riley! FUCK YOU!!! Chick with a dick, or vice-versa!
Thomas Napers Added Jul 27, 2018 - 5:05am
From someone introduced to you at a cocktail party to a person robbing your house, a stranger could be anyone and how we treat him or her depends on the situation.  So based on the content of your article, your title should be: How should we treat the homeless? 
 
The answer to your question is with compassion.  However, compassion doesn’t mean homeless people should be allowed to sleep in public alleys or public parkland.  There are shelters and other public support infrastructure for them to use.  The problem is that many prefer a life on the streets as pan handling can easily pay for an expensive drug or drinking habit. 
William Stockton Added Jul 27, 2018 - 7:11am
The answer to your question is with compassion.  However, compassion doesn’t mean . . . 
 
You are pretty good at saying something but not really saying anything of substance, Thomas.  So what IS treating homeless people with compassion?  You don't know because all you were doing there was virtue signaling. 
You have no clue how to treat a homeless person.   You are the kind of guy that would walk by a row of tents, shake his head and think that is "compassion".  Two steps later and out of the cloud of stinky, you are off in your own head races again.
I'm not blaming you for being this way.  It is normal.  What I am blaming you is for talking like a virtue-preening, fucking dim-wit.
 
Compassion is getting these people off the streets.  That is compassion for the homeless and compassion for everyone else that must use the same streets.  The government has limited choices. Fine/jail them.  Or provide housing.  Perhaps both.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 27, 2018 - 11:43am
Jeff,
I just used a word-salad generator to create my last response to you.  It was kind of fun last night as I imagined you trying to figure out what I meant.
Lol.
 
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2018 - 12:30pm
Michael B, I admire your ability to gather brownie points for commenting on other people's forums with responses that have absolutely no message that relates to the forum.  Do you even now what the forum is about, did you read it?
 
Your last comment only proved you can't control your emotions. 
 
However I do welcome  you to correct me by showing some correlation between your comment and anything contained in this forum's topic statement. 
 
I know this is going to be tough, you're going to have to take a few deep breaths and calm down, then read the forum topic and see if you can post a comment that makes it look like you're not still in elementary school.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 27, 2018 - 4:00pm
Didn't spend a lot of time trying think anyone would spend a lot of time on that, and I guess you want a good rightist to tell you how clever you are. figure it out, Unikiss.  There didn't seem anything in it about homelessness, so I'm sure Riley is pleased at your counter attack.  You actually think anyone would spend time translating your screed?  You just aren't that profound, or any more profound than Riley is courageous.  Riley says he laughing, but then, Riley was unappreciated by whomever he was a volunteer with.  And that, in and of itself is bad.  The guy he had the run in with may have no concept of how to deal with volunteers.  Volunteers are crucial in all community efforts, from trying to solve homelessness to urban planning.  I do wonder how well Riley could teach people he was afraid of, so may not have been a major loss.  Riley wrote this article, made a lot of noise about how worthless homeless are, and he's just afraid.  Rusted Smith was all upset I said anything, but it's fair to note, ol Rusted is the frightened CALIFORNIAN fearing being overrun by Hispanics; Riley is the Californian frightened of homeless people.  Seems a real overdose of fears in the rightist world.  I've heard it called Mean World Syndrome, where people think they are being overwhelmed with crime, migrants, etc., but are heavy media consumers of "If it bleeds it leads" news, and have a fear out of step with reality.  I know it must be tough for all you John Wayne rightists, quaking in fear over perceived threats from "The Other",ruinng the "rugged individualist image"  And a lot of your fellow rightists see Orange Il Duce as their savior, not Ryan Messano.  And neither rightist Riley or Jimmy Unikiss have any pat solutions to homelessness, 'cause those people are all crazy, criminal and lazy, says the rightists.  They deserve to live in the streets, right?  Oooorr...
James E. Unekis Added Jul 27, 2018 - 5:04pm
Jeff,
You continue to do the same thing over and over again.  You decide everything about someone, true or not, based on pure fantasy and then write a diatribe of their crimes based on nothing but your own imagination.
 
You wrote about me:
And neither rightist Riley or Jimmy Unikiss have any pat solutions to homelessness, 'cause those people are all crazy, criminal and lazy, says the rightists.  They deserve to live in the streets, right?
 
On july 24  I wrote a response to Riley's article.  I'll re-post it here:
Riley,
When my neighbor lost his painting job I put an envelope in his hands with $,1000 dollars in it.  I also hired him for painting and other jobs around my house at basically the same pay I was making.  I've asked homeless people into my home on numerous occasions including addicts and alcoholics.  I got one of them into a 3 week long treatment program.  When I found out that he went right back to the bottle I quit buying him food but kept encouraging him to quit.  I,ve been stolen from and used.  I've tutored prisoner in their GEDs.  Some faked their comprehension and failed while others applied themselves and passed.  I had a neighbor who had gone from a back injury to Oxy addict to Heroin addict and ended up on Methadone.  His family disowned him and he didn't have any friends so I befriended him.   When he found out that he had late stage bladder cancer I decided that I wasn't going to let him die alone.  I worked across the street so I'd come visit him  during lunch, after work, and helped him to get groceries.  I also watched his cat while he was hospitalized or stopped by if he needed to talk.
 
I often give give money to people on the street.  I probably wasn't wise in my approach and I'm sure my bank account could be higher but I did try to do, in an imperfect way, what I think Jesus would have done.    Even with the people who stole from me I hope that just being loved may have had an impact.  If it didn't then that is on them.  
 
I've made plenty of mistakes in my own life and it hurts me that I have to pay $100 an hour just to talk with a counselor.  I don't have enough money to make a big impact but I do what I can.  I'd rather be taken advantage of than miss an opportunity to help someone who really needs it.  I don't see the government as efficient enough to reach everyone in need to it it really depends on each of us doing what we can. 
 
Some people mistake my charity for weakness. I'm usually a little slow to catch on but I will put and end to enabling behaviours.
 
Do you see where I've asked numerous homeless people into my home including alcoholics and addicts?
 
How can you possibly say that I think that those people are all crazy, criminal and lazy.........that hey deserve to live in the streets? 
 
You are so full of rage that you react to figments of your imagination instead of entering in to the conversation that is actually taking place.   An utter waste of these fine people's and my time.
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2018 - 5:13pm
Wow Jeff M,  panties still in a bunch!  Do you also have the scoop on the fake moon landing, alien abductions and the real truth behind how Trump colluded with Russia to steel the election from Hillary?
 
You seem to know so many things that other forum readers couldn't possibly figure out just by reading the forum.
 
Perhaps if you were a better reader you'd notice I said I quit volunteering at one place when I thought the people in charge were making unreasonable demands.  Tell me when you volunteer do you do anything they ask and never take time off? 
 
You may feel compelled to take abuse when you volunteer but to me it's something I do when it's convenient for me and I feel appreciated.  The second I feel abused I'm out of there and if you don't like it and one day find yourself in charge of volunteers, you might keep that in mind. 
 
You can't even be civil in a forum, I can hardly imagine you get along well with coworkers, much less abusive bosses.
 
Maybe you should change your avatar to Mother Teresa, it would be more befitting of your opinion of yourself, all knowing, and so personally magnificent that you can always take the high moral ground, at least when you brag about yourself in forums.  You are such a fantastic guy... in your own mind.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 27, 2018 - 6:04pm
Geezus, Riley you do want to keep fighting.  I do pretty well managing volunteers, horses back end.  Real millennial of you wanting back pats.  I f you volunteer, the volunteer's behavior and work should be "professional."  What exactly do you want, kid?   You seem bitter about my experiences not being those of your "hapless guy," in your article  , taken in and abused by those "evil homeless plotters and criminals."   You want to mock me, but then I guess you need that.  You seem real upset about moral high grounds.  I don't remember claiming any, but you mock me, you worthless, typical, millennial shithead.  Brag about myself?  You clown, where, please? Michael B had the best words for you.  It seems real important for you to mock me, but then I'm not the social coward you wrote yourself up as...."I'm soooo scared-" Riley B.  I don't need to defend myself against your narrow, shallow opinions.  I based what I wrote in response to your words, but you can't, as a WB rightist be challenged, eh?  Personally, your "article,' I suspect is a lie.  It's too easy, so I guess maybe that's why you feel a need to mock me.  Hey, you decided to post lies, right?
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2018 - 6:59pm
Jeff, it is a forum about how we treat strangers, you could try offering your opinion about that subject.
 
Just a thought, it doesn't always have to be all about your unrelated political opinions and your quasi professional psychological analysis of other forum participants.
 
Even if the story was a lie, and I admit its a second hand story from a neighbor who was cleaning out his yard supposedly after the fact, other forum participants seem to have had similar experiences and it wouldn't have to be completely true for you to comment on all the associated moral issues.  The story made me think about all the related moral issues, and other participants have shared their opinions about the quandaries it encompassed.
 
So far about all you've chosen to do is ignore the forum topic so you can spend as much time as possible insulting other people.  By the way I leave your posts for all to read because I think they say more about what kind of person you are than I ever could. 
 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 27, 2018 - 8:05pm
Aren't you just perfectly intellectually generous, Riley.  Oddly, you attacked me for "what kind of person' I am.  What kind of person am I, Riley the Wise Millennial crybaby?  I 'm still the issue, not your social cowardice.  That's okay, you've made yourself muddy.  "Made me think about all the related moral issues."  Made you think you'd try to gaslight me on the backside.  Nope.  You are still a social coward.  "We can't do anything about homelessness, strangers or otherwise, 'cause we're sooo scared."  Don't even think you need to worry about moral low-ground.  No, the story tilted right.  It wasn't this liberated look at the topic.  And you actually wonder why someone might find your little BS tale just what it is:  BS.   You've said plenty about me, but like your tale, it's all BS.  Nope, I really don't want to care about Riley rightist AND virtue signaling.  You ought to try another shot, analyzing how women just want kids, not careers.  I know, you know some women.  Even as a millennial, you need to learn how to suck up to your fellow rightists a bit better.   If you feel I insulted you, yup...if you want to avaoid tht, don't write things that are insulting, vapid and foolish.  Shit article, Riley. 
Riley Brown Added Jul 27, 2018 - 10:03pm
Jeff M, once again you stuck to insults and politics instead of answering my request for you to comment on the forum topic. 
 
Do you know what the topic is, or do you just follow people you don't like and insult them without bothering to read the forum?  I can't see any evidence you are even interested in this forum topic.
 
Don't tell me...  you hate me, you hate other forum participants who do comment in this forum, you hate me, you hate me, and you hate Trump, and you hate people you think are righties and now you know I am a coward.  How have you arrived at that conclusion Mr. Clairvoyant?
 
What next, are you going to beat me up so you can prove you're right?  Good thing you can only pretend you can just like you pretend you know all about me.  How about a reality lesson:
 
You don't know who I am, where I live, what race, religion, or even what sex I was born or am now.  You don't even know if I ever looked like my avatar.  Yes, that's why your insults often make me laugh.  Your so wrong sooo often.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 28, 2018 - 12:33pm
Funny, Riley boy, you get all defensive and scream about how "I hate you."  Nope, why would I waste energy hating silly Riley, or others here, for that matter.  And it was you who said you were scared, remember?  Rding your bike near homeless people scared you.  I know that's not being a rightist hero, but I suspect it might be honest.  I really don't care about your status, gender or whatever.  You wrote a false article, about that hapless liberal fool. You've said you were scared, so let others judge.  By being scared, you profess you are a social coward, the rest doesn't matter.  You're just "general bullshit," for yourself, other rightists, everybody.  I'm so wrong, eh?
Riley Brown Added Jul 28, 2018 - 1:01pm
Jeff, I don't care if you hate me, this is just a forum and I don't need your approval.   My last post was my best guess about your the content of your next few posts, based on what I've seen you do so far. 
 
Lets face it when you call me a coward you may feel macho and think it intimidates me but your can puff out your chest and try to scare me all you want, you're just a poster in a forum and you can't scare people in forums. 
 
When  you dream up all sorts of political and social stuff that has nothing to do with the forum and I don't respond, you are not intimidating me, you're just powerless to make me respond. 
 
I'm no psychiatrist but strongly suspect you lack the power and authority you crave in real life, so you like to act powerful and important in forums.  I would guess half of what you do on the internet is purely for your own amusement and has no serious content.
 
Now go ahead and tell me again, all about how you're soo much more important, moral, powerful and giving than most of the rest of us.  Far too good to post comments about forum topics, even when personally asked to.  Have  you looked at your posts in other forums?  From what I can see you spend most of your time insulting other members like a crybaby on a an elementary school playground.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 28, 2018 - 3:33pm
Oh, I'm so cut to the quick by Riley!!  Your article, as I said, seemed more of a rightist fabrication, looking to both virtue signa and how "I don't know you," and I realize you are taking uninformed swipes at me because you revealed you fears and social cowardice.  l and stoke rightist ideas of who/what homeless people are.  Then my comments are made "so you like to act powerful and important in forums.  YOU, Riley Brownose, went on and on about what I am, but have no clue, and your attempt to anger me, make me laugh.  I suspect you are a real millennial loser of ego above all driven proportion.  Kinda like how "Riley knows women and their issues."  You aren't even a good observer of human nature, small time jerk-off.   I'm sure other rightist simply love your ideas, and you should be sucking up to them, but damning me may get you there, if so, you're a real loser, too.
Riley Brown Added Jul 28, 2018 - 4:15pm
Jeff M, how about instead of continuing to use the forum to call me a jerk-off, coward and loser, you state your opinion about the forum topic's moral quandaries?
 
Or is this forum topic too deep for you?  If you need time to gather your composure, or study the forum story I will understand.
Rusty Smith Added Jul 28, 2018 - 4:25pm
Riley Brown I don't think you're going to egg Jeff Michka into any meaningful comments that relate to the forum, I've see lots of his posts in other forums and he seems to prefer insults to thoughtful contributions.  I think he just likes to rial people up.
 
I also checked out the forums he authors and his content is far less appealing to the average reader than yours, as can be seen by how few people "like" his forums.  This forum has over twice the number of "likes" that he averages.  He's definitely out of touch with most readers. 
 
I do think he's physically an adult, but mentally he's still a wanna be school yard bully with the thought processes and maturity of a 15 year old.  His insults do remind me of immature school children.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 28, 2018 - 8:28pm
It's interesting Riley's buddy in fear, Rusted Smith, uses his Facebook standards of what is meaningful or "cool" according to stats and likes.  If it wasn't for cryptofascists like some of the rightists here, this would have already gone into the bit bucket,  You creds as a rightist icon and hero evaporated with your plea to "walk a mile in my shoes."  That stroll just led to your expressed fear of brown people, swarming over you as they "invade" California.  Huh?  CALIFORNIA?  You might see some brown faces there.  Better hope those brown faces aren't homeless.  You ought to invite Riley over so you can quake in your boots together.  Back to Facebook, Rusted.  This seems too important to you.  Think the bully here, YOU, Rusted, got told to go fuck themselves.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 28, 2018 - 11:24pm
Riley,
Jeff lives in his own world.  It is a world that has you, your thoughts, opinions even your innermost intentions figured out  He does regardless of what you say, do or articulate.  He does this regardless of history or known facts.  He even attacked me when I agreed with him on something in another post.  LOL
 
I've learned to have fun with him.  The other day I found a word-salad generator on the web and sent him a couple paragraphs of nonsense words tied together into sentences.  He didn't catch on and tried to figure out what these words were saying.
 
I think I wet my bed laughing as I went to sleep that night after reading his response.
 
I usually leave his posts up so his insanity is on display.  Others just hit delete without reading.  Probably a good thing to do.
 
Don't let the little girlie-man bother you.
Riley Brown Added Jul 28, 2018 - 11:58pm
James, I remember seeing your word generator comment, his response and then you enlightening him about what he'd just done.  You are right that was hilarious, he made himself look so stupid.
 
I know his style seems to focus on character assassination much more than real forum participation, but always thought with the proper coaxing he might actually talk about the forum topics. 
 
I'm a little surprised the web site host has not had a few words with him for not participating in good faith.  I truly think he follows some authors around for the sole purpose of insulting them without any regard to the forum topic.  If he really is married I can't imagine how his wife can put up with him.  Maybe that's why he gets so upset whenever authors or commenters suggest other people enjoy relationships and sex that he thinks they have no right to enjoy.  More than once he's expressed real disapproval over his inability to discern my gender or sexual orientation, as though he can't even reply rationally to forum topics if he doesn't know everything about the author.
Riley Brown Added Jul 29, 2018 - 12:03am
Jeff M, what is a Facebook standard?
 
Please tell me what you've gleamed from my Facebook profile, this should be very interesting.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 29, 2018 - 12:07am
Riley,
I have tried encouraging him when he writes on topic.  It doesn't help.
 
Autumn won't kick anyone out, as far I know, as long as they follow the rules.
 
I'd love to help the guy but it only enables him.
 
Best to ignore when he comes at you on another author's article and delete him on your own.
 
Like any sickness, there is no helping a person until they realize that they are sick.
 
Keep writing, keep reading.  There are some really good writers and thinkers here; enough to change your mind on somethings at times.
 
You are doing well.  Remember that these are all just opinions.  Enjoy!
Jeff Michka Added Jul 29, 2018 - 3:55pm
Ol Riley tries to goad, ol Jimmy tries to cajole, and both of you can use something sharp and painful to have sex with.  Yeah, right.  Clever Jimmy has it I aspent all this time trying to figure out what his gibberish was all about.  Nope, he posted it so I just asked.  Should have known it was an online tool, Jimmy can't be that creative digging at me.  Funny, but nobody seems to care about your discussion of "moral qaundry , Riley.  You claim I'm trying to be macho.  Nope, but did point out your self-admitted cowardice.  You can't solve a moral qaundry when you're scared. I've said what that means to ol Rusted.   Not going over that again.  Jimmy noted, these are all just opinions, Riley.  I don't Facebook,  So have never seen your "Profile," and don't care about it.  Try writing pieces on nostalgia, Riley, it will boost your "likes" whatever that means, but I'm sure it matters to you.
Riley Brown Added Jul 29, 2018 - 6:07pm
James E. I have tried inviting Jeff to actually comment but he or she only seems interested in personal insults.
 
I don't think he or she is sick, I think he or she is just childish, and likes trying to upset people from a safe distance.  He she does seem to be preoccupied with "coward" issues, and that makes me wonder if he she a 15 year old version of Don Knotts, scared of everyone in real life but big and brave in forums where he or she feels safe.  I don't see any other posters who are that preoccupied with cowardice.
 
He's claimed to be married, maybe his wife beats him up or demeans him a lot and this is his way of trying to kick the dog.  Since I have no way to know what he or she has been though I think it's safe to let him rant, even in my forums and let others like you do their own speculation.
James E. Unekis Added Jul 29, 2018 - 6:30pm
HMMM..
Jeff DICKFACE,
I think I want something sharp to fuck.  So I'm gonna crush your head.  Keep an eye out so I can SKULL FUCK YOU !
 
Jeff Michka Added Jul 30, 2018 - 5:34pm
oubt your dick gets hard enough to do it.  Riley wants to insist "topic shift," Unikiss is just a jerk, so I'm the issue.  Seems Riley's Bullshit story and your attitude might be problematic, but good rightists like you two will never admit their faults.  They don't have any.  I'm mr. bad guy, not talking about "treating strangers, and you, Jimmy, haven't really said a single word about it, but just TRIED to attack me.  But since it's attacking me, Riley went as blind as he is scared of homeless people.  Keep your eye open for a good ear, Jimmy boy.
Rusty Smith Added Jul 30, 2018 - 8:11pm
Riley Brown I think you might be right, Jeff well may be one of the most immature posters on WB.  
 
He's a prolific commenter in many forums, but I rarely see him write anything that is not childish in nature.  
 
Makes me wonder how bad his personal life must be, if this is what he does for therapeutic relief.  I'm glad I'm not him.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 30, 2018 - 9:18pm
lly, Rusted the WB scholar. All you seem to have is conservative and 2nd amendment whining.  I doubt you've every bothered to read any articles I 've submitted, but then you're alo the only asshole on WB that first complains "I'm too old," or "I'm a drunk." Then,when it suits bolstering Riley, I'm "immature," for not doing what you rightist pigs demand.  I see you've not upbraided Jimmy, who so far hasn't mentioned the topic of this thread, or have you, but then I've been made the topic of this thread, not "treating strangers" as Riley insisted his rightist tale of a hapless liberal type abused by homeless people.  You are typically inconsistent, but worried about how your "John Wayne" rightist hero image has more than faltered.  Well, asshole Rusted, I 'm glad I'm not you, a quaking coward, scared of "brown people."  CRADLE YOUR GUNS, RUSTED...MS13 IS GONNA GET YOU AND YOURS ANYTIME NOW.  They're coming up your driveway as you read.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 30, 2018 - 9:20pm
Better yet, I don't live in bumfuck California.  You do, Rusted.
Rusty Smith Added Jul 30, 2018 - 10:40pm
Jeff Michka you seem to spend a lot of time on comments but they are pretty much all the same, regardless of the forum topic.  Perhaps I can save you some time, here is some content you can cut and past into any forum, that would be at least as pertinent to the forum topic and you won't have to keep trying to come up with new material.
 
Bla bla bla bla bla. Bla bla bla bla bla. Bla bla bla bla bla. Bla bla bla bla bla. 
 
I think it's at least as thoughtful as what you usually post, and would be appreciated more than your normal blather by more forum hosts.
Riley Brown Added Jul 30, 2018 - 10:55pm
I found out a little more today.  My neighbor had to spend a lot of money on a lawyer because the homeless man got a free attorney since he had no income.  He wouldn't say how much but did say it was "thousands of dollars" before it was over.
 
He is still trying to figure out what to do with a broken down trailer they left.  He's always had his RV but some of the guests had brought the trailer and he let me look inside.  It looks like a total wreck on the inside and outside.  I think one of them ripped apart the inside out of spite before leaving, I can't believe the damage I saw is wear and tear.  He's going to have to have it towed, it's far too big to cut up and put in the trash.  It doesn't even have wheels or tires anymore and I'm sure it can't be sold in the condition it's in.  It's just a huge piece of junk and I have a feeling he's just going to leave it there.
Riley Brown Added Jul 30, 2018 - 11:03pm
Rusty, you made me laugh.  I must admit I barely glanced at Jeff's most recent posts.  I feel like I already know what he's going to say from now on and I'm no longer amused by his child like outbursts.
 
If he really does have a wife, I bet she'd be embarrassed if she saw what he writes.  I often tell people who are dating that if you see a person be a bully to other people and go out with them long enough, eventually they will bully you too.  I bet he's pretty abusive and disliked by anyone, wife or kids, that have to put up with him.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 31, 2018 - 12:09am
I want to thank The individuals who have tried to show care and compassion to Jeff.  He badly needs severe correction and is crying out desperately for it.
 
Rusty, Riley, and James have shown Jeff some of the greatest kindness and love he has experienced.  Correcting him is truly love, because you know you’ll be rewarded with filth coming your way for your efforts.  Correcting Jeff is like trying to pet a porcupine, it’s quite painful.
 
Deleting his comments has worked for me.  He’s desperately off topic commonly, and the wild and degenerate nonsense he thinks up is nothing any sane person will ever benefit from, though it would be quite a hit at an insane asylum.
 
You are right, Riley, speculating about how anyone gets along with him. Imagine the hell his wife must endure.  Jeff reminds me of Wild Bill from ‘The Green Mile’.  Someone who disgusts every reasoning person.
 
I have to wonder, if he is this obnoxious and nauseating in public, what does he do in private?  
James E. Unekis Added Jul 31, 2018 - 12:44am
Lil Sissy Jeff -- " I see you've not upbraided Jimmy, who so far hasn't mentioned the topic of this thread".
I not only addressed this but did so with a rather large response, and then, bolded it and sent it again.  You denied it again.
That is why I had to Skull fuck you - to see if there was anything inside. What a stinky dry hole between your ears.
So here is my plan.  From now on I read none of your replies.  I will bait you to make you waste your time and then delete you on my articles.
 
Delete lil sissy jeff guys.   Bait, delete and repeat, bait delete and repeat.
Riley Brown Added Jul 31, 2018 - 12:35pm
Rusty, James and Ryan, thank you for your support regarding Jeff Michka.  I think we've all tried to help and encourage him to behave like a grown up, and he's just to immature or perhaps he really is just a kid and not capable of understanding the forum but thinks calling people names is fun.   I rarely see him write anything that might indicate he is old enough to think like an adult.
 
I learned all I think I need to know by seeing how he misbehaves in other forums, and will be leaving his posts in mine so that others can do the same by looking at what he "contributes" in my forums.
 
Maybe one day his Mom will see what he's been writing and give him the lecture he deserves.  If he ever applies for a job he might be shocked to learn many employers research people on the internet, and I know what they will be doing with his resume after that.
Jeff Michka Added Jul 31, 2018 - 6:30pm
Oh, Riley and his rightist buddies have been "trying to help Jeff."  Riley has gone on about how awful I must be in person, and the bullies here seem to be Ryan, Jimmy the limp dick BOY.  My wife and I have had almost 50 years together, and my Mom has been dead for a very, very long time, so like good rightist pigs, bring them into this.  And my current employer has looked at WB Someone else tried to smear me much like some of you.  A quick look at some of the garbage someone else wrote about me and a letter from my lawyer seem to ease their concerns.  Next, assholes? How much of your mom and dad's basement do you live in, Riley?  See, works two ways, millennial scumbag. Do you have to pay mom and dad to park your bike?
Jeff Michka Added Jul 31, 2018 - 6:34pm
Yeah, that will SILENCE ME, Jimmy buttkiss.  Better get more herring.  bait box is getting empty as your comments TRYING
(operative word) to make me angry.  I've obviously pissed you off, guess my comment about your limp dick sounded too much like it came from your ex-wife, eh?
Rusty Smith Added Aug 1, 2018 - 10:50am
Jeff Michka "your lawyer", yea right, we're all shaking in our boots over that one.  You're really outdone yourself.
 
When you grow up a little you will realize how childish that implied threat makes you sound to real adults in the context of this forum.  
 
Just curious, what damages do you think you could convince a jury you sustained by participating in this forum?  What's wrong, aren't  our old enough to understand how courts work?
 
What do you think you could possibly sue for and not get thrown out of court?  Have your read your own childish posts?
 
If  you are trying to convince us you really are an adult, you're not doing a good job.  What's the old saying, "better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt".
 
What  next, are you going threaten to beam over and shoot us with your ray gun because we don't run away and hide when you insult us on the internet?  Oh I know, threaten to use Voodoo to hurt us, that can't be any less effective and is at least as credible.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 1, 2018 - 4:44pm
Rusted Smith, you, Riley, Jimm y Asskiss and your new buddy Lyin Ryan are just a bunch of gaslighters, and you've tried to gaslight mew.  I'm not playing along.  Think the only people wanting folks to run away are you gaslighters.  nYou aren't the hero of the right you pretend to be.  The big 2nd amendment man, fearless out shooting food for you pisspoor, not house poor family, and you got called by your ow admission "walk a mile in my shoes." plead ol Rusted.  Yeah, those brown people  are gonna get you and your family, the latter will get kidnapped by the MS13 grand army and sold South of the border.  And Libel is still a matter for courts.  I take care of my own interests, and those interests don't include gaslighting rightist cowards like you.  Keep those guns cradled and ready to use.  They are going to get you, Rusted.  But until then, by all means, buy into Bullshit Riley's littLe rightist "cautionary" tale only a rightist would believe.  I've not threatened anyone here.  But you insist otherwise, so might be worried, eh? 
Rusty Smith Added Aug 1, 2018 - 8:02pm
Jeff Michka oh yea you've got me shaking in my boots... when I'm not laughing at your incompetent attempts to intimidate posters like me with empty threats of things like legal action against us.  
 
When do you think we will be served?  You need not answer if you're not old enough to understand what that means.
 
Better get busy, you're going to look even more impotent once we all see your'e making believe your're a tough grown up who can do something about people like us. 
 
What's wrong, don't you really have a lawyer...  That's what everyone already knows, all you can do is and talk tough.
 
Oh me, I just enjoy participating in forums.  I never threaten people so you can sleep soundly, I don't believe in hurting immature people, I think they do enough harm to themselves without my help.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 1, 2018 - 9:00pm
Please, Rusted, quote where I made threats of legal action against you.  You can't, but claim I made threats of legal action.  That's a good example of you gaslighting me, must say.  You are a cowardly jerk, Rusted.  Your buddies haven't weighed in on your latest.  Surprised you had the courage to post the comment above.  Oh, gee...how impressive... Rusted the Gaslighter.  I haven't intimidated you. once again, got a quote? No, of course you don't.  Seems you aren't just a coward, but a lying coward to boot.  Personally, you can make all the threats you want, Rusted.  The last thing I 'd do is lose a wink of sleep over a coward like you are's threats.  Gaslight some more, worthless rightist.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 1, 2018 - 9:01pm
Isn't your wife the one who knows you're impotent, Rusted?
Rusty Smith Added Aug 1, 2018 - 9:27pm
 Oh Jeff Michka it's such a relief to know that all your lawyer talk was just hot air, thank you for letting all of us off the hook.  It never occurred to us that you added that that lawyer stuff to your angry rants for ABSOLUTELY no reason.  
 
Your opinions about what is and isn't courageous behavior are quite interesting.  You must be quite heroic, in your own mind.  I can see by all your boastful posts that you are not a person to ignore...  You're no coward, why look at the fearless way you taunt people from a safe distance with your courageous keystrokes, no cowardice there.
 
Oh Jeff the Magnificent, keep up the good fight, I think I see a windmill that is just about to give up and run away.  So brave, such an adult!
Jeff Michka Added Aug 1, 2018 - 10:46pm
You still can't quote where I made legalthreats, so "everyone" just has to take your gaslighter word for it, eh?  You seem to want to provoke thrweats, and not legal ones.  People like you don't scare me, from a distance or eyeball to eyeball.  You want to make a threat?  please.  I need a trip South, and have zero problem getting eyeball to eyeball with you.  There's not a word in your last comment that isn't designed to provoke, and again, good gaslighting.  Best you can do, Rusted?  Remember, you said how brown people scare you, not me saying it.  It's okay, but does make your attempt at rightist iconning a little more than phoney.  A gaslighter like you has their own aendas.  Yeah, look at me, says Rusted, I have guns, I'm the world's best shot and am a real he man, who still quakes in his boots over hispanics, but chooses to live in a state where they're going to be there.  I'm a real John Wayne, says Rusted.  "Sands of Iwo Jima?"  Cradle those guns, Rusted.
Rusty Smith Added Aug 2, 2018 - 11:22am
Jeff Michka the brave almighty defender of nothing.  How courageously you attack from behind your keyboard, throwing out insults like an angry school child.  
 
Oh Jeff your Eminence, forgive me for not being able to follow your contorted logic, I had no idea you added the stuff about your lawyer for no reason at all.  Is your brave talk about needing a trip down South so you can get eye to eye with me also just a slip of the keyboard, your version of Tourette's syndrome expressed thought your keyboard?  
 
Is that your definition of courageous, hiding behind a keyboard, implying physical threats, and then quickly recanting?  
 
Tell me again how I can tell you are a poster child of bravery and not a coward in real life?  
Eric Reports Added Aug 2, 2018 - 1:33pm
Those kind of people can turn out to Charles Manson-types.  It's not sane or practical to befriend someone you know nothing about.  Why don't they go to the Salvation Army?  Because they want to be free to loaf.
James E. Unekis Added Aug 2, 2018 - 3:25pm
Jeff,
 
"Yeah, those brown people  are gonna get you and your family, the latter will get kidnapped by the MS13 grand army and sold South of the border."
 
That is an actionable threat.
 
Riley Brown Added Aug 2, 2018 - 4:00pm
Eric Reports, I hope we never see Jeff M. in the news, that would be sad. 
 
I do suspect he tries to bully people online because he has a miserable life, gets put down all the time by his family and possibly other people, and this is his way of "kicking the dog" without risk. 
 
I'm just glad my life is not that pathetic.
Riley Brown Added Aug 2, 2018 - 4:20pm
James and Rusty, Jeff may have earned what he's getting but it might do him more good if you ignore him like you'd do with a misbehaving child.  I admit I've criticized his behavior too, but previous to this I've never though about the possibility that he really might be mentally ill.
 
If he really isn't smart enough to intelligently contribute to forums with adult content he many not have the maturity to deal with your criticism and it would be a shame if he takes his frustrations out by abusing his parents, siblings, pets, or other innocent parties as a result.
 
Obviously he can't take his frustrations out on people he doesn't really know but he might be a holly terror where he lives.  We can all see he's not a picture of mental stability, and I for one will feel bad if he goes postal and kills people.  He has a lot in common with most of the mass shooters that shoot up schools.
James E. Unekis Added Aug 2, 2018 - 4:25pm
Riley,
 
True, goog point.  Everytime I sear to indore him, he just comes up with a comment that need shutting down.  LoL
Jeff Michka Added Aug 3, 2018 - 7:24pm
Gaslighters drone on and on and on.  Go for "the actionable threat, Jimmy.  OL Rusted can, if he has the guts.  He's mocked me about legal matters, so he must be a big time legal eagle, so he can come after me.  I'd ABSOLUTELY Love to go to court over that quote, cornhole.  Now, according to Gaslighter Riley, I m a school shooter.  Good gaslighting, Riley, but still just gaaslighting.  Yeah, I'm sure anyone reading this goes, "gawd, how awful jeff is....he should be arrested, shunned, and....gaslighted, Riley, Rusted, Jimmyboy and Ryan are such good people."  I'm sure you've all had doctor appointments for the repetitive motion injuries you got patting yourselves on the back.  Go fuck yourselves, rightist pigs.  Real shutdown Jimmy.  Did you get hit on the head with a baseball bat before or after you cut the sleeves off your av pic shirt?