The dissolution of the United Nations, Good or Bad?

The dissolution of the United Nations, Good or Bad?
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There was a new writer named Green Beret that posted "Tear Down the UN & Build a Park", then it disappeared, but I thought this was a discussion we should have. 

 

I once believed in the childish and naive "ideals" that the UN was a beacon of hope for the world where Nation-States could neutrally meet and negotiate keeping peace as the ultimate goal. It's not until you start fact checking the actual history do we find it was a sham, from the moment of its inception through this very day.

 

The US, with is Allies in NATO, have killed over 30 million people, just through "regime change" since WWII. Then there is Bosnia, Yemen, Somalia Cambodia, etc.  Millions more dead.

 

Where was the UN?

 

The question should be, who dictates the policies of the UN?  The US, France and the UK:

 

To quote:

 

"the UK, USA and France are usually the ‘pen holders’ when new UN Security Council resolutions are drafted and they have, together with a number of seconded staff in the Office of the Military Advisor and Department of Peacekeeping Operations in the UN Secretariat, considerable influence on policy development processes internally. Chief among these is the current Under-Secretary-General for UN peacekeeping, Hervé Ladsous, a French career diplomat. France has had the privilege of staffing this post since Jean-Marie Guéhenno was appointed in 2000. Ladsous is seen to be closer to the Quai d’Orsay (i.e. the foreign ministry) than his predecessors and has embarked on a vigorous agenda to move the ‘UN into the 21st century’, with the inclusion of surveillance drones in MONUSCO and the Force Intervention Brigade in MONUSCO as two examples.6262. UN Office of the Spokesperson, “Highlights.”View all notes It is also important to note that, among many of the traditional TCCs, the move towards peace enforcement and inclusion of more offensive capabilities is perceived to be driven primarily by the ‘penholders’ of the Security Council and by other Western states, exposing their troops to increased risks."

 

When it comes to other UN "initiatives", we find failure after failure.  One must come to the sad conclusion that was the intent.

 

The UN's plans were anything but peace.  Worldwide enslavement to an economic system no one can escape.  You will be controlled from the moment of your birth until your death.  You very thoughts, ideals and desires will be given to you.
 
Here, educate yourself on the issues before you decide who the villain really is:
 
The Death of Democracy, by David Malone.

 

You might find that the UN is the curtain by which The Powers That Be hide behind and they'll never allow us to tear it down.

 

 

 

Comments

Flying Junior Added Jul 24, 2018 - 4:18am
I think I might have scared off the Green Beret with the Troll Slayer.
 
I was losing count.  It didn't make sense to brag about it with a post.  But over the last two weeks alone, the Troll Slayer took out at the minimum seven or eight trolls.  They run from the light of truth like cockroaches.  Sometimes I just see right through them.  Other times I am surprised that they pack up and leave without a fight.
 
I still do believe in the child-like ideals of the UN.  I think that it is irresponsible and ignorant to advocate just chucking the whole thing.  This is crazy John Bolton stuff.  It shows that you have no knowledge of the various organs and activities of the UN.  (I think you and I have touched upon this before.  You laughed at me when I described to you how the organization was birthed.)  I still think that NATO is an important alliance.  I think that dialogue and cooperation between countries is of paramount importance.
 
I also support the WTO.  I think that it is childish to rail helplessly against the wealth and progress of the nations as if all that we need to restore the dignity of the Salt of the Earth and cure all of the ills of the modern world is a few more totalitarian dictatorships.
Flying Junior Added Jul 24, 2018 - 4:30am
I take that back.  It wasn't the Troll Slayer at all.  All that I said was something really stupid arguing with Travil.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jul 24, 2018 - 6:35am
Spot on Gerrilea. 
Stone-Eater Added Jul 24, 2018 - 6:50am
Good one. And so true. Dissolve it, certainly the war council, politically correct named "security council"
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 24, 2018 - 8:31am
I think some time in the not distant past I suggested something like just send in the delta force or a pack of SEAL teams, some such outfit, and make the announcement: "Okay everybody, listen up! You've got 20 minutes! Grab your shit and get out. This bitch is comin' down."
 
That would not be so diplomatic though, would it. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jul 24, 2018 - 8:48am
That would not be so diplomatic though, would it. 
 
The globalists and leftists would go ape shit to be certain.
 
Dino Manalis Added Jul 24, 2018 - 8:50am
 The U.N. is theoretically united and does important humanitarian work all over the world.  Security, however, is up to individual countries and their alliances and that's the way it should be.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jul 24, 2018 - 8:50am
Oh! Then it would be a good thing!
Ryan Messano Added Jul 24, 2018 - 9:35am
I agree with the dissolution of the U.N. but saying America is responsible for 30  million deaths is bogus.  They hold America responsible for the deaths of Pol Pot in Cambodia.   Total nonsense, but you lefty America haters are suckers for mostly anything anti-American.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 24, 2018 - 9:38am
Right on Gerrilea. Also see "A Second Look At The UN". I say turn it into the worlds largest public bathroom, India style.
Gerrilea Added Jul 24, 2018 - 10:20am
Flying J-- I'm all for humans cooperatively working together and not killing each other.  The US, the UK and France have used the UN to protect the assets of their multi-national corporations.  "International law" is being used to undermine our democracies, as David Malone in his presentation I linked in the article establishes.
 
The evidence is clear, we've been had. We must tear down the facade that they are hiding behind if we are to remain free. The NGO's and Think Tanks must be disbanded as well. The likes of Soro's and the Koch brothers must be held to account for their crimes against us all.
 
I'm mortified that you support the WTO, truly.  I thought you were a progressive and claimed to be enlightened.  The WTO through the IMF have enslaved millions worldwide.  French companies sued Egypt when they passed a minimum wage law AND they won.  
 
The WTO sued the US against our ban on MTBE in gasoline and they won.  A known cancer causing additive is now back in our air, food and water.
 
That's fabulous if you have a job or stock in healthcare and pharmaceuticals.  More sick and dying people, more money for you. It adds to our economy if we can suck billions out of you before you die!
 
The WTO and IMF have forced millions worldwide into perpetual poverty. 
 
Flying J, what do you really stand for?  Do you even understand what has happened?
 
We've been lied to, stolen from and enslaved to an economic system that was designed to be anything but "free trade".
Gerrilea Added Jul 24, 2018 - 10:27am
Ryan M-- You are anything but an expert on these issues.  I do not hate my country or my fellow Americans. Our created government does not serve We The People.  And note I stated that the US, France and the UK are responsible.  The crimes of the CIA are documented facts, not opinion. 
 
Context is everything, the UN did nothing to stop those crimes and killing fields.
 
YES, together our 3 nations have killed millions since the end of WWII and enslaved the majority of humanity as modern-day serfs to
multi-nationals.
 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 24, 2018 - 2:06pm
Gerrilea, many on this forum are lucky. They still see the world through the eyes of a child.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 24, 2018 - 2:16pm
Gerrilea, its not really multinationals, its the internationalists and their banks that drive all these wars and hand out gifts to the multi-nationals, to keep them quiet, just like everyone else. This is in Perkins' book. It makes perfect sense and fits in with everything else we know.
Neil Lock Added Jul 24, 2018 - 2:32pm
Gerrilea: You leave out that the UN is (and has been for nearly 50 years) the driving force behind the green agenda, which is making energy (and so everything else) far more expensive than it need be, and seeks to stop the people in poor countries from bettering themselves.
 
And yes, "worldwide enslavement" is a good description of what the UN is about. I am always leery of any political organization with "United" or "Union" in its name. Not just United Nations; but also United States, United Kingdom, European Union, Soviet Union; even trade unions. They all seek to increase and to centralize their political power. 
Flying Junior Added Jul 24, 2018 - 2:45pm
I always learn something talking with you.
Bill H. Added Jul 24, 2018 - 3:05pm
Dissolving the UN has always been one of Russia's dreams. Now that Putin has Trump as a puppet, it looks like it is on it's way to being completed.
Not to mention with the help and support of all of the Trump minions, who will go along with virtually anything Trump dreams up.
Ken Added Jul 24, 2018 - 4:10pm
Anyone who doesn't fear the global plans of the UN should read about and understand "Agenda 21".
 
that said, we can't disolve the UN.  The land that UN  HQ is on was donated to them by Rockefeller.  By treaty, that is extra-territorial to the US (no longer territory of the US).  We could refuse to pay 23% of their annual budget - and I strongly believe we should - which would stop much of what they do, but we cannot just kick them out.
Bill H. Added Jul 24, 2018 - 6:07pm
Ken, Actually the real Agenda 21 has some very good and valid points and suggestions concerning how countries may be able to deal with overpopulation, housing, medical, and food shortage problems. Here is a link to the real document.
The program is voluntary, and is offered to provide suggestions for sustainable ways local, state and national governments can combat poverty and pollution and conserve natural resources ongoing. There is no mention of "concentration camps" or "death squads".
That is all it is.
It's a lot to absorb, but everyone should be familiar with the real document, not the Glenn Beck fictional version that is the basis for all of the ERW conspiracy info, which I'm sure is where you sourced your version!
Yes, there is some stuff in the document that will scare the shit out of the likes of Trump supporters.
opher goodwin Added Jul 24, 2018 - 6:15pm
I certainly continue to believe that the UN holds the only hope for humanity! Without a global body stopping wars, pollution, poverty and the multinationals running amok we haven't got a hope.
We do need to reinvent it and get it running better though. We can't have a few countries controlling it. It requires an overhaul.
Ken Added Jul 24, 2018 - 6:16pm
Considering your philosophy Bill, that isn't a surprise at all.  Anyone rational that reads that document should be shocked to their core and never want to have anything to do with the UN again.
Ken Added Jul 24, 2018 - 6:18pm
I don't recall mentioning anything about Concentration camps or death squads, nor have I read the Glenn Beck FICTIONAL novel about it - which he didn't write,  he simply published.
 
It was a fictionalized version of someone's vision of what the world would be like if the plan is implemented.  Funny how you cannot see that and attack me for something I never even referenced or discussed.  Poor defense of your position.
James Travil Added Jul 24, 2018 - 7:12pm
Since this is meant as a continuation of the previous article I'm going to restate my original idea. Why not (after dissolving the UN of course) turn the UN Building into low cost housing, like they did in the movie Heavy Metal? Solve two problems with one thing. I use to support the UN but anymore they are just around to rubber stamp anything that the West wants with regards to warmongering. 
Ken Added Jul 24, 2018 - 7:20pm
opher what war has the UN stopped recently?  The are more wars going on around the world than ever before.  Where are they stopping anything?
 
They do keep making resolutions against Israel week in and week out however - you know the only democracy in the middle east - and condemning them while ignoring the atrocities in DPRK, Iran, Syria, all of africa -in fact there have been more anti israel condemnations than the entire rest of them combined
Ken Added Jul 24, 2018 - 7:21pm
James - scroll up and read my  comment - we can't.
HpO Added Jul 24, 2018 - 7:29pm
You like or no like U.N.?
 
I like, said French President, François Hollande. U.N. very good, see, as "the centre of global governance."
 
Yeah, me too, said Jacques Fomerand, in his book. U.N. very good, see, in making "the world ... a more hospitable and livable place for millions."
 
I like, said Stanley Meisler, in his book. U.N. very good, see, in "accomplish[ing] a great deal". (He was talking about global decolonization and peacekeeping.)
 
Yeah, me too, said Paul Kennedy, in his book. U.N. very good, see, in "br[inging] great benefits to our generation and ... our children's and grandchildren's generations as well."
 
So yeah let's "dissolution"-ize the United Nations for these very reasons. "Good" idea!
Bill H. Added Jul 24, 2018 - 8:34pm
 
Ken - I guess it is all about how your "mentors" have told you to interpret the document.
I am not surprised at all by your response.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jul 24, 2018 - 9:58pm
in fact there have been more anti israel condemnations than the entire rest of them combined
 
With very good reason. 
 
Ward Tipton Added Jul 25, 2018 - 1:43am
The very fact that more than half of the world lives in abject poverty and the fact that there are so many wars ongoing around the globe should be all of the proof we need that the UN has failed in every sense of the word. 
Gerrilea Added Jul 25, 2018 - 2:39am
Doug P---So true and yes the Banksters are the true puppet-masters of this planet. The multinationals could never attained the control or wealth over so many aspects of our daily lives WITHOUT the banksters money.
 
Neil Lock, Bill H and Ken---Might I suggest taking some time and Research Rosa Korie and her book, "Behind the Green Mask"  or  watch this video where she discusses the finer points of how we've been led to the slaughterhouse.
 
Try to understand the Delphi Technique that is used in "public" hearings to "guide" pubic opinion to a predetermined solution.
 
Try to understand Codex Alimentarius and the threat the UN posed against natural remedies and vitamins.
 
Try to understand Iclei and how it's "blueprint" is already in every State, County and Local Legislative office throughout the nation.
 
Bill H, please take time and understand I was not kidding that we will be controlled from the moment of our birth through our deaths.  You very thoughts, ideals and desires will be given to you.
 
Opher G-- I understand and agree with many of the points you made BUT we are far beyond fixing it or changing who controls the "international community".
 
James T--- I read your posting previously and found it truly appropriate and perfect...alas...I think it would be turned into luxury penthouse apartments for the filthy rich.
 
Ken--- Surely you've heard of Eminent Domain?  We can seize property from anyone within the Continental United States.  Since the property is "tax free" we could present a legal argument that we wished to acquire said land and convert it into businesses that would bring tax revenue to NYC.  SIMPLE.
 
If that didn't work, we do have a really powerful military with lots of "special ops" commando's that could clean the place up for us.  If no one is there and the place sits abandoned, surely THEN we could take it back.
 
Flying J--- I'm glad I can truly help you understand where my cynical nature comes from.  The truth bites the big weenie sometimes.
 
Jeffrey G--- While I agree that Israel is anything but innocent, they are fighting for their very existence in a land surrounded by millions whom wish to wipe them off the face of the Earth.
 
The Genocide Saudi Arabia is engaged in Yemen today is far worse AND nothing from the United Nations.
 
Ward T--- My thoughts exactly, proof is in the pudding.
 
Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts and ideas...it's past my bedtime...see you all soon.
 
Neil Lock Added Jul 25, 2018 - 3:18am
Ken and Bill H: I actually went so far as to read the Agenda 21 document. Here is the comment I made on it in an article I wrote in April of last year about an earlier UN report, Our Common Future:
 
"As to Agenda 21, I don’t recommend reading it. It consists of 350 pages of bureaucratese, in which the word “women” occurs more than 250 times. And it takes up where Our Common Future left off. “Significant changes in the consumption patterns of industries, Governments, households and individuals.” Recycling as a religion. “Favouring high-occupancy public transport.” A “culture of safety.” And much more. But the clever thing about Agenda 21 – another [Maurice] Strong brainwave, I guess – is that it is to be implemented at the local government level. So, because it wasn’t seen as a national political issue, it passed under many people’s radar."
Doug Plumb Added Jul 25, 2018 - 3:19am
Wow, Gerrilea, "Iclei, codex, Rosa Korie", you really do know this stuff - only a hardcore conspiracy theorist like myself throws around those names and terms. We are probably on the same page about everything. Their real achilles heel is that silly holohoax.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 25, 2018 - 3:21am
re "The very fact that more than half of the world lives in abject poverty and the fact that there are so many wars ongoing around the globe should be all of the proof we need that the UN has failed in every sense of the word. "
 
Yeah, sometimes its like talking to a fish about water.
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2018 - 3:47am
Ken - all the ones that never happened!
They have been policing lots of conflicts particularly in Africa.
I would much rather have a body that enabled people to talk and condemn, that poured the light onto wrongs and highlighted them even if they are nowhere near as effective as they should be. They bring people of wildly different views together and create a climate of aiming towards a moral high-ground.
I would like to see them more effective, less controlled by certain countries, more democratic, with safeguards against corruption and abuse and with more teeth to deal with matters. Then we might see more wars stopped, a fairer world with less inequality, human rights - particularly for women, less environmental destruction, less terrorism and fundamentalism, less terrorism, international crime, tax evasion, mass migration and pollution.
Global problems require global solutions.
The alternative is that the unscrupulous multinationals run amok and destroy everything.
 
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2018 - 3:51am
Gerri - that is the nub - who controls it and what safeguards are put in place. What we do not want is tyranny. What we do need is an effective, democratic body.
We are erring towards making it far less effective than it needs to be for fear of who controls it, tyranny and corruption.
I believe we have the knowledge to redesign the UN so that it is effective and cannot be corrupt or tyrannical; that is the world's panacea. Difficult but not impossible.
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2018 - 3:56am
Ward - we have no way of knowing how bad it would have been without the UN. In fact many countries have moderated their actions under the glare of the UN. It shines light on wrong-doing if nothing else. It provides a platform to talk and condemn.
We have shied from giving it powers to stop things because we are frightened of giving it power and do not want our national sovereignty challenged. The vetoes of certain countries prevent and limit action.
But I still say that it has been effective. The world is gradually becoming more civilised. Without it things would be a lot worse.
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2018 - 3:56am
Better jaw jaw than war war.
James Travil Added Jul 25, 2018 - 4:01am
"Better jaw jaw than war war."
You mean Jar Jar? 
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2018 - 4:17am
James - Lol!
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jul 25, 2018 - 4:54am
The world is gradually becoming more civilised. 
 
Deluded raving fool. 
 
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2018 - 5:18am
Now Jeffry - don't be too hard on yourself. Those years at sea take their toll. We try to take account.
Johnny Fever Added Jul 25, 2018 - 8:43am
What do you propose in lieu of the UN?  Or is your suggestion there isn’t a body where representatives from every country from around the world can be heard.  Assuming you believe such a body has merit, what makes you think a new one would behave any differently than the UN? 
Ward Tipton Added Jul 25, 2018 - 10:18am
First, democracy by its very nature is inherently evil ... as one American you may have heard of once noted, Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting for what to have for dinner. 
 
For anyone seeking anything to be more "democratic" ... that is merely asking for mob rule and I would have to respectfully decline to support such an organization outright. 
 
Apart from that, even the best intentioned of governments ... if there is even such a critter in existence ... tends to become more oppressive the farther away from the people it governs. 
 
My recommendations? Get government money out of the picture altogether. Impossible? Then have each nation pay a percentage of its GDP as was supposed to be the case and as our current President is being chastised for demanding that NATO nations do. 
 
After that, create international think tanks with non-partisan pursuits. Develop regulatory agencies that do not govern. Prove the solutions work in areas wherein their governments are willing to introduce such solutions. 
 
I have personally designed comprehensive, systemic (Developmentally and Systemically Sustainable) programs that have been introduced to and approved by government leaders in numerous West African nations, in two Central American nations and in SE Asia and numerous indigenous tribes around the globe, but not being part of the good-ol'-boy network has already ensured that none of these programs will be funded. 
 
Bill H. Added Jul 25, 2018 - 11:39am
So I take it that if you are a True Trumpie, you are all for dissolving NATO and the UN?
Gerrilea Added Jul 25, 2018 - 11:56am
Johnny F-- I'm not sure to whom you were speaking but I'll weigh in here.  Why is there a need for a "United Nation"? It's a facade whereby the wealthy elite dictate their desires to the masses. And they use NATO as their muscle and the American people always end up paying for it.
 
Any international agreements are only as valid as the paper they are written on, without the military power to enforce said dictates, it's useless and the disenfranchised are always cannon fodder.
 
Currently the majority of humanity lives in abject poverty, on the brink of starvation, because of these machinations.
 
Ward T-- I disagree completely with your "solution".  We do not need elite "academics" telling us how to live, what to believe or how to rule ourselves.  The term "think tanks" is offensive on so many levels, this would include the acronym NGO.  Groups of self-serving sycophants that "know" what's best for all of us.
 
That said, I do have empathy with your description of Democracy as merely "mob rule", that's exactly what it is. What other options do we have? Does the entire world need our ideals forced down their throats, as has been the case since the UN's inception?
 
As far as "funding" goes, why can't the people that benefit from your systems, "pay for it"?  If they truly want it?  I'd say "bitcoin" or the like to the rescue.  A means of bartering that does not include the central banskters.
 
Bill H-- Such derogatory labeling, here I thought you were a tad above that kind of "discourse".  Where did I say I was a "trumpie"? 
 
The systems of control the UN has established worldwide serves no one but the wealthy elite.  Yes, dissolve the UN.  As for NATO, it would still be necessary BUT it wouldn't have the "blessings" or the illusion of authority without the UN to attack sovereign and peaceful nations. 
 
It's imperialism would be revealed for what it is.
 
Let the citizens of each NATO member nation decide what their military does, not the multi-national corporate elite. I recall the Orwellian Doublespeak the Bush Crime Syndicate used, "international consensus".  Its the same term Obama used to attack 8 different nations killing millions of innocents.
 
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 25, 2018 - 4:23pm
Gerrilea,
Since it was launched as 'an agency for world peace' (i.e. ensuirng peace through western domination,) the UN has gradually grown into a massive and multi faceted agency for economic and political hegemony. and as you say the question should be, who dictates the policies of the UN? 
  The USA, France and the UK (I call them The FUKUS axis) have tried to to use the UN as a vehicle to deliver global hegemony for western capitalism but Russia and China were never going to allow that.
Liberals and leftists may still cling to the idea of the UN as a force for good, but only because they are too naive and idealistic to understand that global governance can only work to the benefit of the existing elites.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 25, 2018 - 4:36pm
Neil, Agenda 21 is a dire bedtime read, I agree. But making such documents unreadable is a deliberate tactic.
I wonder how many people apart from the two of us and Burghal maybe, have heard of the late Maurice Strong, yet Dr. Evil in the Austin Powers films could have been modelled on him.
Strong was one of the main movers in centralising power and reducing local democracy to the level of junior assistant chair polisher. That his name is still almost unknown despite the enormous influence he exerted as a UN bureaucrat on governments of the main economic powers is testimony to the fact that 'conspiracy theories' like The New World Order and 'The Deep State' are not theiries at all (neither are these things conspiracies, the plan for a meritocratic global government has been right out their in the open for everyone to see for a hundred years.
Trouble is most people go through life with their eyes closed, dreaming of some kind of utopia.
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2018 - 4:40pm
Ken - The absolute number of war deaths has been declining since 1946.
https://ourworldindata.org/war-and-peace
The UN has been very active putting pressure on people. It is focussing on Israel and has softened its action. 
If it had more power it would achieve more. We are, probably rightly, leery of giving it that power until it has adequate safeguards against tyranny and corruption. It is catch 22. It cannot do its job without power. We won't give it power for fear of what it might do.
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2018 - 4:42pm
We definitely need a world body to oversee wrongs, provide a talking shop and condemn breaches of human rights.
I think the UN has done that and made the world a better place. 
Is it perfect? NO!!
Neil Lock Added Jul 25, 2018 - 6:17pm
Opher: We definitely need a world body to oversee wrongs, provide a talking shop and condemn breaches of human rights.
 
Well Opher, if by "oversee" you mean "seek the truth about," we already have something that can grow into such a body right here. It's called WriterBeat :-) Of course, so far, it only does the second of these three well...
Neil Lock Added Jul 25, 2018 - 6:24pm
Ian: Oh, I'm sure others here know about Maurice Strong. Gerrilea surely does. Ken almost certainly does. Doug probably does.
 
Isn't it amusing that the really big villains always end up supporting political movements that want to ban the things they made their money out of? Gore with tobacco and Strong with oil, for example.
 
As to your description of the kind of global government they want as "meritocratic", I disagree. I think kakistocratic would be a better word.
opher goodwin Added Jul 25, 2018 - 6:53pm
Neil - LOL - I was thinking of something on a rather grander scale though.
Bill H. Added Jul 25, 2018 - 7:10pm
Gerrilea - I did not direct the title of "Trumpie" at you. I was simply asking that if one is a diehard Trumpie, is it imperative that they must be for dissolving both NATO and the UN?
I could have worded that better.
James Travil Added Jul 25, 2018 - 7:27pm
"Let the citizens of each NATO member nation decide what their military does, not the multi-national corporate elite. I recall the Orwellian Doublespeak the Bush Crime Syndicate used, "international consensus". Its the same term Obama used to attack 8 different nations killing millions of innocents."
If we are stuck with keeping an organization that outlived it's usefulness over a quarter century ago such as NATO that's the best idea for it I've heard yet. Right now NATO is just a tool for the West to attack without provocation sovereign nations who's resources they want. And a tool to bully Russia and China of course. It was never meant for such abuses. Anyone who supports such misuse is as bad as the terrorists in my opinion. 
Ken Added Jul 25, 2018 - 7:48pm
Gerrilea-  
Ken--- Surely you've heard of target="_blank">Eminent Domain?  We can seize property from anyone within the Continental United States.
 
That is the point.  The UN is extrateritorrial.  It is no more part of the continental US than is Canada.  The treaty has given away all US rights to that land
Doug Plumb Added Jul 25, 2018 - 7:50pm
Ian re "Neil, Agenda 21 is a dire bedtime read, I agree. But making such documents unreadable is a deliberate tactic.
I wonder how many people apart from the two of us and Burghal maybe, have heard of the late Maurice Strong, yet Dr. Evil in the Austin Powers films could have been modelled on him."
 
Absolutely right. I researched Strong many years back. He owned all the water in Canada. I'm sure he is the son of Benjamin Strong.
 
re "fact that 'conspiracy theories' like The New World Order and 'The Deep State' are not theories at all (neither are these things conspiracies, the plan for a meritocratic global government has been right out their in the open for everyone to see for a hundred years."
 
Yes. They are operating from the common law at the top. Its their ethic, they have to tell us what they are doing to slowly get us to accept it (Open Conspiracy, Report From Iron Mountain, The Next Global Revolution, later policy papers, Protocols). Its 0.1% of the population that has 20 % convinced that they have already won "can't beat us, so join us" sort of thing (best con in the world - only way they can win), or to be so repulsed by it that they are driven to speak out against it in the strongest possible manner (me), and the rest either not caring, to afraid to go down that rabbit hole, or just see the world through eyes of children.

re "Trouble is most people go through life with their eyes closed, dreaming of some kind of utopia."
 
So I guess its time for you to take your holocaust goggles off Ian.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 25, 2018 - 7:52pm
re "We definitely need a world body to oversee wrongs, provide a talking shop and condemn breaches of human rights.
I think the UN has done that and made the world a better place. 
Is it perfect? NO!! "
 
You should start reading political philosophy and law Opher, instead of getting your beliefs from people like Bob Dylan, who was an admitted CIA operative.
Neil Lock Added Jul 25, 2018 - 7:52pm
Opher:
 
Big oaks from little acorns grow,
As all biologists should know;
But when those oaks start to decay,
It's time to think of a new way.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 25, 2018 - 7:54pm
I would really try an encourage people to watch "The Real Face of The European Union" and listen carefully to when they start talking about how laws are created, and how code is written. They really say a lot in this movie, and it does expose their mode of operations. This movie confirmed many of my beliefs wrt law and how its changing. A lot of people have said it but it gets lost in the noise.
Ken Added Jul 25, 2018 - 7:58pm
That said, I do have empathy with your description of Democracy as merely "mob rule", that's exactly what it is. What other options do we have?
 
We have the option of the USA - we are NOT a democracy, never were.  We are constitutional representative republic.  That is why we have a bicameral legislature.  Why we have the electoral college, we we have 3 coequal branches of government, and on and on.
Pardero Added Jul 26, 2018 - 1:17am
Gerri,
This is a terrific article.
I have only a bit of disagreement. Israel's air force could give America's a difficult time. In the ME, only Saudi Arabia has a half way credible air force. You must be considering Israel's capabilities before the late 60s. Things have changed. They aren't David anymore, they are Goliath. 
 
You have an uncommon ability to see through official narratives and propaganda, but you missed some.
opher goodwin Added Jul 26, 2018 - 4:15am
James - I would agree that the UN is being misused. Where we differ is that I want it changed and updating so that it works properly.
Gerrilea Added Jul 26, 2018 - 4:27am
Ian T--- Great term....FUKUS....that's exactly what they are doing to all of us. :)
 
Opher G--- Human rights abuses and deaths by war truly pale in comparison if we are enslaved to serve a system we did not create nor control. 
 
What has the UN done about China, India, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Libya, Egypt, et al???  Oh wait, Israel is the demon that must be addressed.
 
What has the UN done about poverty? Doesn't poverty kill 190.000 people in the US alone each year? Yep.
 
Isn't hunger the #1 killer in the world today? Yep.
 
I know you wish for the truth to be something other than it is, the UN has intentionally failed at so much and made things worse for the majority of humanity.
 
Neil L and Doug P--- Yes, old Maurice, I've known about him for years and years.
 
Bill H--- I support no one 100%. There may be mindless bots that go with the flow and really don't understand why they like or support a person, especially Trump. BUT the majority of people that voted for Trump and voted against Hillary, knew who was the lesser of two evils.  They may not know all the details or the depths of corruption and collusion of the political elite in this nation...they knew what was being done wasn't helping any of us.
 
It may surprise many but I want a strong military and our supreme role in NATO secure.  I also want to decide what, where, when and why our military will be used and what crimes against the American People has the next target on the list committed.
 
Our military must only be used once Congress has declared war.
 
Ken--- I appreciate your attempts to educate me. I do know we have a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy.  You seem to have misunderstood my position.  When our nation deals with other nations, we are on equal footing, one vote for each nation.
 
As for your claims about the UN property be outside of the US....please go to your nearest Indian Reservation and talk to the Tribal Leaders.  Maybe they can explain this much better than I.
 
Seriously, what nation is going to stop us from seizing said property, if we so chose? OUR constitution does define treason and when Rochefeller "donated" said property to foreign hostile entities...HIS lawful rights to do so ended.
 
opher goodwin Added Jul 26, 2018 - 4:40am
Ken: a definition of democracy:
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
 
Eugene Volokh of the UCLA School of Law notes that the United States exemplifies the varied nature of a democratic republic
 
The States is a democracy - that's why people get to vote.
Gerrilea Added Jul 26, 2018 - 5:00am
James T--- We can only hope. IF we returned to Constitutional Law, NATO's power would be greatly diminished.  I do not believe the MIC will allow such a "dastardly" thing to occur, unfortunately.
 
 
Baby Blue---Exactly true BUT I'm pretty sure that's why the majority voted for Trump.
 
Pardero--- Thank you so much.  Please note that I do know the military might of Israel, we paid good money for it.  Yes they are the aggressor and agitator more times than not.  They know we have their back come hell or high waters. Simply put, the US interests are whatever Israel decides.
 
That said, I cannot deny them their absolute right to exist as a nation. When I was in college 40+ yrs ago, I recall having a Professor that was an expert on the ME and worked for the CIA.  On the ground in Palestine, the people that originally lived there before Israel was created, didn't care about that land UNTIL we put Jewish people there.  Many of the ME leaders paid people of the Muslim faith the move into the area to try to stop Israel from succeeding as a nation-state.
 
It has been a religious war then and is, still to this day, a religious war.  Please don't be fooled by what you see on the TV.  Ask any person of the Muslim faith if they would accept monetary reparations from Israel and leave Palestine.  You might understand what is really gone on when and if they answer you.
 
Doug P--- Thanks for the great suggestion, I will watch the documentary soon.  "The Real Face of the European Union".
 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 26, 2018 - 8:44am
Israel, biblically, does not have the right to Israel. They are to be the moral example to the world before they deserve Israel. They are currently the opposite of that. Israel was given to them by the British, who stole it from Palestinians, who cowered away from the crimes they began to commit to expand their power base in what was to be a dual state solution. They strangled British commandos with pianno wire - who were there to keep the peace and ensure that Israel lived up to the terms. They destroyed the USS Liberty. They continue a genocide against Palestine, not they are in the beginnings of a genocide against all non white Jews.
 
They bought and sold young women in white slavery, legally, after the civilized world had ruled slavery illegal in the previous century. Luring young women into foreign countries for the promise of work and putting them in store display windows to be bought and sold is a level of amorality not seen in the modern world.
 
What has Israel done for us in return for protection from the justifiable outrage from the Arab world?
 
 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 26, 2018 - 8:45am
They destroyed the USS Liberty. They continue a genocide against Palestine, now they are in the beginnings of a genocide against all non white Jews.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 26, 2018 - 8:46am
They destroyed the USS Liberty. They continue a genocide against Palestine, now they are in the beginnings of a genocide against all white non Jews.
 
-sorry - just flying out the door
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 26, 2018 - 8:49am
Doug, my holocaust goggles? Don't think I've ever mentioned the holocaust here and it's not something I write or read about elsewhere, so I don't quite know what you mean on that one.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 26, 2018 - 11:12am
You gotta have open eyes to look under every rock, not just some. 95% of the truth is nothing but a big fat lie. Perhaps my memory is faulty, but I think you have remarked regarding me questioning the Master Race. If not, I apologize.
Bill H. Added Jul 26, 2018 - 11:22am
I am totally against the present trend towards isolationism. I have many friends and relatives in different countries and I am uncomfortable with the general view of the US at the moment in the eyes of many around the world.
Most do realize that it is not the views of US citizens, but our "leader" and do not put the blame on the people, but they still question how we could have arrived at this point on our present venture towards becoming the "Republik of Amerika".
 
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 12:52pm
Gerri -You seem to have misunderstood my position.  When our nation deals with other nations, we are on equal footing, one vote for each nation.
 
No nation that is a dictatorship (including theocracies should not be on any kind of moral equivalence with companies that  allow civic freedom (although many are on different levels of "freedom").  I would advocate for a United Nations of free people.   You are eligible for admittance if your government has been freely chosen and is a representative of the people, not ruling the people.  Countries not allowed admittance should strive for admittance, countries that are admitted have the responsibility to ensure their ideals are not infringed by the dictatorships.
 
Idealistic, I know, and probably not feasible, but if people truly want a better world, putting dictatorships and theocracies on equal footing with democracies, representative republics, parliamentary governments (true parliamentary systems, not those installed by a ruling dictator)
 
opher -a definition of democracy:
a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives
 
Your overly simplistic view of the world is just that. Overly simplistic.  Representative republics are also elected.  I gave specific examples of why we are not a democracy.  It is a fallacy to call America a democracy, but as I have observed from many of your posts, you love to conflate and  misinterpret simple facts to fit your world view.
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 12:55pm
Gorr -   Yes they are the aggressor and agitator more times than not. 
 
Wow - that is just ignorant.  virtually every military action since 1948 has been reactionary not proactive.  From day one when they were attacked by 6 Arab countries, to today when they are constantly being harassed and having missiles fired at them, having enemies who have sworn to "remove them from the face of the earth" surrounding them, constant terroristic threats against them,   Many of their neighbors that won't even recognize their right to exist - yet they are the aggressors more often than not?  That is simply deluded.
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 1:02pm
Doug - Israel was given to them by the British, who stole it from Palestinians, who cowered away from the crimes they began to commit to expand their power base in what was to be a dual state solution.
 
Your sickening anti-semitism shows through bright and clear once again.  Your rewriting of history is also absurd.  Israel wasn't given by the british who stole it from the palestinians.  As I noted in a prior post - THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PALESTINIAN.  There has never been a country of Palestine.  Bedouin arab nomads were renamed that by Arafat. The term hasn't even been around for more than 100 years or so.  They have no right to Jarusalem any more than china does.
 
Britain did not steal land and then give it to Jews to create israel.  TransJordan which was created in 1920 through the end of WW1 was split into Jordan, land for Arabs, and land for Jews.  The UN (not just Britain) voted to do this and the Jews gratefully accepted their land and created Israel in 1948.  The arabs refused to live next to a jewish state and rejected the land they were given at which point they and 5 Arab countries banded together to attempt to destroy the fledgling Israeli state from day 1 and were soundly defeated.
 
It is absolutely astounding how you rewrite history to fit your hatred and world view and then try and spread it as "truth" in order to sway others to your position.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 26, 2018 - 3:01pm
re "Your rewriting of history is also absurd.  Israel wasn't given by the british who stole it from the palestinians.  "
Balfour Declaration.
re "As I noted in a prior post - THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PALESTINIAN."
There was a country called Palestine, but Google eliminated it, so does that mean it never existed? I recall that they had a soccer team, and two players got their feet shot off by Israeli soldiers.
re "It is absolutely astounding how you rewrite history to fit your hatred and world view and then try and spread it as "truth" in order to sway others to your position. "
I don't hate anyone, both Jews and non Jews are victims of the machinations of our rulers. What is worse than a hater is for someone to level that kind of accusation rather than think.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 26, 2018 - 3:06pm
re Balfour Declaration: (from wiki):
 
The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government during World War I announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a minority Jewish population (around 3–5% of the total). It read:

His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.
 
Read this carefully:
 
"...it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
 
Explain to me how these "settlers" fit in with this.
......
Doug Plumb Added Jul 26, 2018 - 3:10pm
re "It is a fallacy to call America a democracy, but as I have observed from many of your posts, you love to conflate and  misinterpret simple facts to fit your world view. "
 
This is what propagandists mean by a "nudge". The media always refers to USA as a democracy, so people who don't read refer to it as such so that they are in line with TV.
Another example of a nudge is how the rights of the Palestinian people have been superceded by that of Jews, which claim a biblical right to the land where none exists.
Jews refer to themselves as the most ethical people in the world because they can do no wrong and therefore never violate any ethical principles.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 26, 2018 - 3:18pm
re "From day one when they were attacked by 6 Arab countries, to today when they are constantly being harassed and having missiles fired at them"
 
Can you show us a link that shows one of these missiles? Your beliefs require you to suspend common sense. There is a question "who benefits?" and you can apply this to the current Israel-Palestine conflict. For a crime, you still need means, motive and opportunity. What would the motive be for Palestinians to shoot rockets into Israel? False flag operations have been around and used since the beginning of history.
 
"having enemies who have sworn to "remove them from the face of the earth"
 
TV said that, not Ahmadinejad.
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 3:48pm
Google can't eliminate a country that never existed.  There has never in the history of the world been a country called Palestine.  The term "palestinian" didn't even exist until the late 1800's and then Arafat used it to describe Arab bedouin nomads.  Your entire case is false.
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 3:55pm
Can you show us a link that shows one of these missiles? Your beliefs require you to suspend common sense
 
You are either incredibly stupid or incredibly disingenuous, and your hatred is of jews is absolutely palpable in many of your posts were you seem to blame them for every evil in the world today.  Are you so out of touch with the world that I have to link evidence of thousands of missiles that are lobbed into Israel regularly?  The sirens frequently going off?  I'm sure those bomb shelters built at almost every intersection in Israel are just PR lies to promote Arab hatred, right?
 
Did you even know that there is no discrimination against arabs in Israel?  Arab, Jew, Christian all sit in the Knesset.  Arabs that live in Israel would rather live in Israel than any other middle eastern country because they feel free and safe.  That is almost a unanimous consensus in virtually every poll taken.
 
The british declaring after WW1 that they support a jewish state is hardly equivalent to your comment that the British stole land and created the jewish state which is patently false.
 
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 3:57pm
If you truly believe that within yourself you don't have a visceral hatred of Jews, then before you post ANYTHING.  You should take a deep breath, take 10 minutes, come back and reread it and see how often the word "jew" shows up - even in a topic not related to anything jewish" and then blames them for whatever the issue is and talks about how immoral and unethical they all are. 
 
Better yet, go back and read your posting history and you will see that is a consistent them all the way through.  I would be willing to be that of anyone that reads what you post, you are the only person that believes you are not antisemitic.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 26, 2018 - 4:21pm
Gerrilea,
Why do people want to saddle themselves with more and more government?  In the US we already have four levels of government, city, county, state, and federal, all of which impose their own laws and collect their own taxes, all paid by individuals.  Then there are the overlapping laws, taxes, and bureaucracies, with different government entities vying with each other for control and funding, but not responsibility.  Now (some) people want the UN too?  I suppose individuals here on WriterBeat don't need the laws to control themselves, but to control those other people who are incapable of self-control, because they don't have enlightened leadership like we democratic republics do.  Of course we are right, because we have the biggest guns, and we know how to use them.
 
Ken,
So by treaty the UN land is "extra-territorial"?  Don't you know the US only honors treaties when they are convenient?  What makes that land, donated by Rockefeller, sacrosanct?  Does that mean I can declare my property "extra-territorial" and become an independent country of one?  My "treaty" consists of property taxes, for the rights of squatter-ship.  Mine would be a true democracy, with a mob of one.  
 
Sounds like an idea worth pondering.  I would not choose to join the UN or support any wars.  
 
 
Gerrilea Added Jul 26, 2018 - 4:43pm
Ken--- I have never said the US was a democracy, show proof please.
 
Your arrogance is astounding, we shall use your morality as a condition of admittance into a "United Nations"? Pshaw.
 
Israel funds Hamas, maybe you missed the memo. But wait, didn't they say they were going to wipe out the State of Israel?
 
Yep.
 
As for your claims about "reactionary vs proactive"...you need a history lesson, hon.
 
What was the original square miles of Israel at it's inception?
 
Here, let me show you.
 
Now let's get back to some facts.  Why would they support a sworn mortal enemy?  Wait, why does the US create, fund and train "freedom fighters, white helmets, et al" that then "turn" on us and we the call them the "terrorists" we must vanquish?
 
Wake up little one.
 
Yes, Israel is the aggressor in the endless religious war with Muslims. 
 
You made a remark about all religions being represented in the Knesset, nice propaganda. Why is Bashar al-Assad protecting Christians in Syria AGAINST the Israeli/US/British funded white helmets?
 
What about Lebanon?
 
You see, in some areas we can peacefully coexist. Why not in Palestine?
 
AND DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE SAY I'm anti-Semitic. I was engaged to a Jewish man at one time.  Until I realized his wealth and drug habits went hand-in-hand. Don't get me wrong, he was in Mensa, as I, very well educated and had created a thriving manufacturing business.  His downfall was his choice of "recreational" drugs that made him into a psychopath and dangerous man.
 
I will always support Israel's right to exist, even if We The People must give our lives for it. This doesn't mean I accept what they are doing to acquire more territory.
 
Gerrilea Added Jul 26, 2018 - 4:54pm
Doug P--- Thank you for educating Ken, he really needs it.
 
I'm not sure about referencing the Torah as a legitimate defense for the existence of Israel.  The deed is done, moral or not.  God does have the final say, however.
 
Katherine O--- I agree in general terms what you are pointing out. I do not wish for the UN to exist, there is no need.  NATO and our control of it, does.
 
Hey, I would support your nation-state if you decided to create it...but then we'd be labeled as "sovereign citizens" and a threat.
 
 
TexasLynn Added Jul 26, 2018 - 5:24pm
TBH >> I think some time in the not distant past I suggested something like just send in the delta force or a pack of SEAL teams, some such outfit, and make the announcement: "Okay everybody, listen up! You've got 20 minutes! Grab your shit and get out. This bitch is comin' down."

TBH! I like it. Really good idea.
Oh... except for the SEAL team guys ...
... or the announcement ...
... or the 20 minutes notice ...
But other than that, it's perfect!
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 5:37pm
Gerr - I never stated you were an anti-semite - those repsonses were to doug. You are conflating responses.
 
Yes I know how large Israel was at inception.  It also increased its borders in 1967 when it was attacked yet again and decided enough was enough.  The only country in history that while defending itself and not initiating the attack kept the land acquired from the aggressors to be able to better defend themselves and been condemned for it.
 
nothing propaganda about my knesset comment.  It is true
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-Elections/The-20th-Knesset-by-the-numbers-More-Arab-and-female-MKs-fewer-ultra-Orthodox-lawmakers-394305
 
As for why in 2008 they gave sheckels to the Gaza Strip, I can't say.  Why does the US give financial aid to many of our enemies?  Not everything has a clear answer or is correct.
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 5:39pm
Katharine - Sure you can declare yourself independent of the US and be that way - if you get 2/3 of the senate to vote on a treaty that you agreed to with negotiators from the federal government and they constitutionally say so.  A treaty was signed that made the property of the UN and ratified by the senate no longer territory owned by the US.  Should we ignore that treaty, we would be invading foreign soil.
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 6:01pm
You see, in some areas we can peacefully coexist. Why not in Palestine?
 
I don't suppose that it could have something to do with the fact that before they can even walk, arab children around israel are to hate, eh?
 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 26, 2018 - 7:34pm
@Ken re "You are either incredibly stupid or incredibly disingenuous, and your hatred is of jews is absolutely palpable in many of your posts were you seem to blame them for every evil in the world today.  Are you so out of touch with the world that I have to link evidence of thousands of missiles that are lobbed into Israel regularly?"
 
I think we have different ideas about what a missile is. I think by Palestinian missile you mean a pipe packed with fertilizer that much more often than not, crashes harmlessly. This is not the actions of a rational people, it is the actions of a very few. I think of a missile as a guided rocket that can blow up apartment buildings indiscriminately.
Who always wins ? / Ok, maybe the scrawny guy goes up and picks a fight with the heavyweight boxer once, but he doesn't keep doing it.
 
re "I don't suppose that it could have something to do with the fact that before they can even walk, arab children around israel are to hate, eh?" You have not seen the Iraeli children writing messages on bombs? Have you seen their costumes for their yearly 9-11 parade?
 
Have you not seen their protests, Israeli's carrying signs that say "kill them all"?
 
re "Did you even know that there is no discrimination against arabs in Israel? "
  I've seen Christians being spit on in Israel. There is a video on youtube somewhere that shows young girls for sale in Israel. Its a fact that this practice was legal there before 2006.
 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 26, 2018 - 7:36pm
re "I'm not sure about referencing the Torah as a legitimate defense for the existence of Israel.  The deed is done, moral or not.  God does have the final say, however."
 
The justication to Israel's existence is the biblical right.
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 7:52pm
I think we have different ideas about what a missile is. I think by Palestinian missile you mean a pipe packed with fertilizer that much more often than not, crashes harmlessly.
 
More often than not they do fall harmlessly.  They are not, however just piepes packes with fertilizer.  They are supplied by Iran to both Hamas and Hezbollah by the thousands.  They are fired from mobile launchers, and the reason most fall harmless is they don't have any guidance, not that they are just amateur missiles.  there is a reason why they call a guided missile a guided missile - not all missiles are guided.  rockets are still, by definition, missiles, but if your entire disagreement is because I called a rocket a missile, then I get it.  You are being disingenuous.
 
Government sponsored discrimination.  Just like there is no systemic racism in america.  In the arab states, the government teaches the natives to hate jews and israel.  Israel doesn't teach their citizens to hate their neighbors.  Is there some hate, sure.  Is it widespread and state sponsored?  Absolutely not.
 
Gerrilea Added Jul 26, 2018 - 9:16pm
Ken-- Your responses to Doug, when he presents valid critiques of the Nation of Israel is to call him anti-Semite.
 
As for this BS:
 
As for why in 2008 they gave sheckels to the Gaza Strip, I can't say.  Why does the US give financial aid to many of our enemies?  Not everything has a clear answer or is correct.
 
Israel is not an innocent victim. You fund an enemy that goes on to attack you and then you have a "justification" for war and conquest.
 
"Since its establishment, Israel has never avoided killing large numbers of unarmed people.
 
In 1948, Israel started an independence war against Arab countries, which was called "Nakba" (big catastrophe) by Palestinians, as more than 1 million Arabs were displaced. In 1948, Israel killed nearly 20,000 Palestinians and several thousand Arab soldiers, while it lost around 4,000 soldiers and 2,000 civilians. In the second Israeli-Arab conflict,"
 
Your response to Kathrine is absolutely hilarious...go to your nearest Indian Reservation and talk to the "owners" of that property. Hell, I live in New York State, it's in our State's Constitution that their lands are "protected". 
 
Simply put, your position is delusional and naive.
 
Ken Added Jul 26, 2018 - 9:51pm
Gerri - as referenced by other people here, he is an anti-semite and a holocaust denier.  Just read his overall theme of posts. Lol, Israel is created and immediately invaded by armies of 5 separate countries and yet they started the war?  That pretty much says it all....
Gerrilea Added Jul 26, 2018 - 10:43pm
Ken--- Pluease...Where do you live? Let me reduce this to a level you may relate to.
 
Me and a 10,000 of my closest friends and family move into your town and short order we're gonna demand that you surrender all the land that encompasses said town and my Mafia connections and supporters provide us the muscle to enforce our will upon you.
 
All the Mafia Families, worldwide made an "agreement" that this was "lawful and legal" and whilst they were writing the terms of your surrender of your life & livelihood you called all your friends and family and they tried to stop us.
 
In the end, you lost everything you held dear, including your life.
 
Fast forward 70+ yrs and your family and friends in neighboring counties lost their lives and property as well.  We expanded so far that very few of the original inhabitants existed anywhere near us. We expanded so far, that we encompassed more area that the State of New Jersey.
 
During that time our Mafia connections planned, plotted and executed "regime change" in various States all surrounding our original town so that your supporters and possible descendants could do nothing.
 
Your supporters taught and trained their children that I was evil and must be annihilated from the face of the earth.
 
NOW tell me Ken... who's the guilty party here?
 
 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jul 26, 2018 - 11:03pm
Why do people want to saddle themselves with more and more government?
 
Political authority, or the authority of State, or the authority of Government, is something the average person virtually never questions. Almost everyone goes through their entire life believing that the Government – although it’s almost always composed of provable criminals, cheats and liars – still has a solid basis for its political authority. Many people, whether left, right or anywhere in between on the political spectrum, are Statists: they think that Government has an inherent right to rule, using coercion if necessary. Yet, even a cursory examination shows that if a normal person acted like Government, they would characterized as cunning, secretive and manipulative, and either be diagnosed as insane, or locked up as a danger to society, or both. So why do people allow and consent to such a situation?
 
They're lazy uncaring dolts. 
 
Gerrilea Added Jul 27, 2018 - 12:12am
Jeffrey G--- Many humans cannot function without being told what to do or think...maybe out of laziness but I seriously believe many don't understand that their own thoughts and ideals were given to them to be that way.  Sadly, the majority will never be able to break free of said programming.
 
Why do they allow and consent to such?  They can't think any other way and part of the programming is an authoritarian elitist mental construct that gives them a "moral superiority" that protects the programming.  The truth is a, b & c...since I know the truth and you don't, you're beneath me and your opinion, facts or evidence is to be ridiculed, belittled and most definitely ignored.
 
Pardero Added Jul 27, 2018 - 11:16pm
Gerri,
Thank you for the outstanding article, and for clarifying some positions. I am pleased to be in agreement with you, though I confess a bit of jealousy because I could never be so well informed and articulate.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 27, 2018 - 11:39pm
Jeffrey and Gerrilea,
My point exactly.  However, the question needs to be asked, because "most people" don't have a clue about anything except "power over the people," even though "the people" are coerced into paying for it. 
 
I would agree that "most people" have been programmed, conditioned, or otherwise seduced into accepting this "power over" situation, either out of tradition, laziness, ignorance, or a false belief in others' claims of moral or other so-called superiority.  "Leaders" need "followers" as much as "followers" need "leaders."  It gives the "followers" someone to blame if things go wrong.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jul 28, 2018 - 9:43am
145 wars since the UN was created. Abject failure.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 28, 2018 - 5:59pm
Gerrilea, thank you for those fine words in the defense of this idea. I could not have said it better myself.
 
@Ken, re "Gerri - as referenced by other people here, he is an anti-semite and a holocaust denier. "
 
Ken, you not understanding what the word Jew means and throwing around terms like "anti semitic" and likely terms like "Judeo-Christian ethic" in other things you say (most like you do anyways)  means that you are a little bit simple minded. So let me clarify things for you:
 
(Let me first mention that truth is not obtained by suffrage. You can look up the word "suffrage")
 
(1) If you have watched 1984 you know that Winston's job was to change the meaning of the words. You talk about the Bible, but haen't read it - or have only read the Scofield Study Bible (Scofield was a lying cheating womanizer and con artist). In the first five books of any KJV, the word Jew is clearly defined. It does not mean the Jewish people. You can find out for yourself.
 
There are three basic groups (1) Corporatists - this is the Left wing - the banks and corporations will save us with more regulations is the basic idea, but I plan to explain it deeper in another post
(2) Christian -Zionists / Evangelicals - who do not realize that modern day Rabinical Judaism has been created by the Pharisees. The Seducees are the ones that run Hollywood, the porn industry (yes, its 99% Jewish), etc - in fact the Russian and Italian mob is actually the Jewish mob and the black slave trade was a Jewish enterprise in the USA. Currently Hollywood blames Christians for it. The political Jews are the pharisees.
  Its not anti-semitic to point out the Israel would allow the buying and selling of young girls within its borders. Do you have a daughter Ken? Does pointing this out make me an antisemite? I don't see what this has to do with the semitic people (look that one up too) See how your language and therefore you thinking has been all screwed up.
  The narcissist that you have become has eliminated your idea of "object constancy" and creates a lack of empathy for others that is required as a pre-requisite for your world view.
(3)The pure "Greed is good" capitalists, mostly lead by the Jew, Ayn Rand. Look up her real name. Names are changed to protect the guilty in all of this.
 
  These ideals that people rally behind are created through ignorance. This ignorance is created by books that they sell at Amazon, History Channel history, and the public education system.
  The purpose of all of them is to separate people from the word of Christ. Christ is about reason and a reasoned ethic and laws rather than statutory systems of rule such as Islam and Judaism. You may want to look up the word "statute" to learn that it is not synonymous with the word "law". You may remember that Jews do not like Christ. You may wonder why this is so and consult history books. The answer to this question cannot be found in history books.
 
  I need to clarify the point that there are people and there are the cults they follow. Simple minded people follow simple ideals, take for instance these idiots who think they will get 2400 slaves when the NWO is in place. There are many idiots like this. I couldn't count the number I have met in North America. God gave us two ears and one mouth for a reason. Listen to the world around you.
 
 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 28, 2018 - 6:03pm
Listen starting at 15:15. I have had lots of Jews tell me this personally in North America. Its just what happens to the human mind when people are told that they are "special". Jews, Christians and anyone else are all vulnerable to this, especially if they are simple minded. If you want to manipulate anyone, the first step is to make them feel special (Luciferians, "Free" Masons, Evangelical Christians). Its what con artists and psycopaths do every single time as a first step in the practice of their trade.
  I do not hate anyone. I do not like their cults.
Gerrilea Added Jul 29, 2018 - 8:21pm
Pardero-- The mistake the powers that be made was allowing me to be unemployed for 2 and half years during/after the intentional collapse of 2008.  I took stock myself and asked, How the hell did I get to this position?  I found out a lot about myself, the system of control I fell for and how badly the outcome was for me and for all of us.
 
Doug P--- Could I suggest you slowly pull yourself out of the rabbit hole you and I both went down?  You know/understand most, if not all the highlights, what are you going to do about it?  What can be done???
 
Discernment is key.  Educate those willing to listen and learn, move on from those that cannot fathom how absurd the illusion they've accepted as "truth", is anything but.
 
 
Pardero Added Jul 29, 2018 - 8:43pm
Gerri,
I am glad that some of you are educated on these matters. I made a lot of poor choices when I was young, and must keep my nose to the grindstone, most of the time. I rely on your expertise.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 29, 2018 - 9:45pm
Understanding the problem is always the first step, I don't need to know what to do yet. The problem isn't fully understood and my lack of ability to articulate it is my current problem. Once a problem is fully understood the solution will appear, or someone will think of it.
  I think that people are under a spell and that spell needs to be broken.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 29, 2018 - 9:48pm
re "The mistake the powers that be made was allowing me to be unemployed for 2 and half years during/after the intentional collapse of 2008.  I took stock myself and asked, How the hell did I get to this position?"
 
Lol. Me too. I was sick of it all, quit my job, lived on my savings and copyrights for 9 years, and studied this, full time. I thought if I went far enough down there may be light on the other side....There is a good side to everything...so its that I'm not all covered in shit, and that's about it. I've held onto my sanity, and plan to until they drag me off to one of their Bolshevik psychiatric experimental hospitals.