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What is “addiction”?  What causes it?  There’s a lot of attention given, lately, to various forms of “addiction,” but definitions of it and its clues about its causes are rare.  The American Psychiatric Association (APA), the primary lobbying organization for the professional mental disorder labelers, claims it is a “brain disease” that is “complex” and characterized by “compulsive substance use despite harmful consequences.”  The official platform, published on line, says there are a number of effective treatments, and that people can recover.


The APA also asserts there are “changes in brain wiring” as a result of addiction, and that “brain imaging studies show alterations in judgment, decision making, learning, memory, and behavioral control.”


The psychiatric establishment, including the National Institute for Drug Abuse, states brain changes in the brain stem, cerebral cortex and limbic system cause addiction.


So that’s our answer, in a nutshell.  Satisfied? 


I’m not.  In fact, it’s embarrassing to admit I’m associated with such pretenders, because this propaganda campaign is nothing more than pandering to a group of people who probably know more about addiction than the “experts” do.  First, “addiction” per se is not listed among the growing list of “mental disorders” in the latest bible of psychiatric diagnosis, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, version V.  (DSM-V).  We have “substance use disorder,” and specific diagnoses related to the type of substance (mis)used, such as “opiate use disorder.”  We do have “internet addiction,” a new, DSM-V, excuse to seek funding for treatment.  But my rant here is not about addiction or the “opioid epidemic,” or even the marketing blitz that characterizes modern strategy for creating and perpetuating insanity.  It’s about terminology and the ocean of irrelevance that is pawned off as information to an under-informed, misinformed, and gullible public.


I first heard the term “brain disease” from members of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI), a lobbying group that prides itself on its family-associated organization, lobbying efforts for “mental health parity,” and its disassociation from mental health professionals.  NAMI has especially wanted to “de-stigmatize” mental illness by insisting it’s a “brain disease,” caused by a “chemical imbalance” in the brain, thus equivalent to physical diseases, even though there is little physical evidence for such conditions. 


The psychiatric establishment, assisted by the pharmaceutical companies, the government, and to some extent, the insurance companies, has jumped on this opportunity to legitimize (and fund) research and treatment for a variety of mental disorders, and the list keeps growing.  Since the first DSM was published in 1952, the number of official mental disorders has steadily expanded, apparently to accommodate the tide of new medications flooding the market.  Homosexuality, formerly listed, has been expunged since 1987, but we have added problems you didn’t know were disorders, such as "social anxiety,” “adult attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder,” and “hypoactive sexual desire disorder.”  Insomnia is now an official psychiatric disorder, maybe thanks to the efforts of researchers and pharmaceutical companies that want to study and profit from it.


Lately, we are told the national suicide rate has gone up.  Army suicides are up, and there’s a question about whether some of the opioid-related deaths were intentional suicides.  We have the controversy over what used to be called “physician-assisted suicide,” which is no longer a politically or socially correct term, because it stigmatizes those who get a physician to help them die.  This is now called “medical aid in dying.”  Who remembers when Jack Kevorkian, a pathologist, went to prison in 1999 for helping patients die, convicted of second-degree murder?


Psychiatric terminology is tossed around with the same carelessness of standard epithets but carries the unsubstantiated veneer of insider knowledge.  Who hasn’t heard the president called a “narcissist?”  Look in the DSM-V to find out that “narcissistic personality disorder” could probably fit many people, depending on how one interprets the list of vague criteria, such as grandiosity or lack of empathy.  There are no “brain imaging studies” that prove it, and there’s no treatment.


To say the APA is misrepresenting itself, psychiatry, the mentally ill, and is flooding the public with irrelevance seems like a drastic claim, but here are the “facts.”  In its bid to align itself with “medical science,” such as it is, psychiatry likes to talk about “evidence-based” findings, but the evidence for most of its claims is based on subjective screening tools, such as Beck’s or Hamilton’s Depression scales, which depend on the patient or observer to assess symptoms or signs believed to contribute to clinical depression.


Also, the APA’s claim that “brain imaging studies” have identified specific areas of malfunction related to various mental disorders, is simply not true, but they keep trying, and the “psychiatric industry” is hot to obtain more funding for more research into the various potentialities of such tools as functional MRI and PET scans.


It is true that people under the influence of certain drugs and alcohol show more or less activity in certain brain areas, and autopsies of those with significant alcoholism, for instance, have brain changes consistent with long-term damage. 


A great deal has been made over neurotransmitters, in order to justify the “chemical imbalance” hypothesis.  The class of antidepressants termed “serotonin-selective reuptake inhibitors” or “SSRIs”, led by the introduction of Prozac (fluoxetine) in 1989, quickly followed by copycats Zoloft (sertraline), Paxil (paroxetine), and others, spawned a new wave of psychiatric drugs that targeted specific brain chemicals (neurotransmitters).  Do they work?  There is increasing evidence that they don’t work for long, especially in children, and they may do more harm than good.  Approval by the FDA of direct-to-consumer (DTC) advertising in 1997 may have contributed to the upsurge in use of psychiatric as well as a host of other medications, and to the misperception that there’s a pill for every ill.


The “opioid epidemic,” deserves particular note, because it has been deemed by the Powers-That-Be as a “public health crisis,” deserving of broad-scale funding, research, special treatment protocols, legislation, and lawsuits against the pharmaceutical companies deemed most responsible for creating the problem.


Here, the psychiatric establishment--along with the government and media--has gone out of its way to misrepresent and inflate the problem, as well as its preferred solution, which is to hook people forever on different opiates.  The Need-To-Be-Needed crowd indirectly admits it has no cure, yet, but more funding will provide for better access to “care,” and for more research, such that maybe someday we will know enough to cut people loose from their psychiatric problems.







Stone-Eater Added Jul 28, 2018 - 12:16pm
Crazy is often a misinterpretation of people who refuse any norms which don't make sense to them. And more often than not their argumentations MAKE sense when one allows himself time to reflect about them. As to my experience in part-time working with so-called "mental cases" - most of them were very sensitive and highly educated people who just couldn't cope with reality and its contradictions and lies. Be that any kind of addicts.
Adding to that it seems to have become a competition among mental clinics to have as many inmates as possible for profit here in Europe, and the pharma works hand in hand with them.
Need more patients ? Invent a new mental illness and then create the according drug. The last in line to profit will be the people running dialysis clinics.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 28, 2018 - 12:30pm
Nice article Katherine. Could it be that when some "scientist" carves out a new brain disease, they make money, and then Big Pharma gets to come up with a new expensive drug used to treat it, so everyone gets more money and fame? My response is the same as Stone-Eater, in that the more they invent the more they make.
I find all of the classifications of gender rather disturbing, what with cis-gender, queer, fluid-gender, transgender, I really think all of this is confusing, rather than helping, young people. I know it is confusing me, because it seems that the definitions are changing. It was OK for homosexuality to be taken off the mental disorder list, but I am thinking the list of genders is approaching the ridiculous.
Dino Manalis Added Jul 28, 2018 - 12:38pm
  Brain diseases are usually caused by overreaction to problems, whatever they are, that's why it's so important to think positively!
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 28, 2018 - 12:55pm
OK, Dino, does it count that I am positive I am crazy? Just asking.
Stephen Hunter Added Jul 28, 2018 - 1:11pm
Excellent topic Katherine and one that does not get enough air time imo. 
Addiction is certainly a mental and emotional imbalance. And until we can pop a pill to help the imbalance, no progress will occur for treatment. Big Pharma is the tale that wags the dog of Healthcare.
I believe that more answers lie in a psychological approach, but where is the money in that? 
Katharine Otto Added Jul 28, 2018 - 1:14pm
Stone and Jeff,
The more I think about it, the more I believe the drugs come first, then the pharmaceutical companies lobby for new diagnoses their drugs can treat.  For instance, Ritalin was already around for ADHD, but they wanted to expand the market so came up with adult ADHD.  Since pharma buys most of the ads in psychiatry journals (and medical journals, generally), and funds a great deal of academic research, it has a lot of say in the politics of DSM revisions.
I definitely agree that the expanding repertoire of diagnoses is profit motivated, and more and more psychiatric "diseases" are deemed incurable by the so-called "experts," which means long-term dependency and drug sales, if you believe the hype.  That's why I wrote the article.  The old school, to which I still subscribe, believes in cures.
Thanks for reading and for your comments.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 28, 2018 - 1:23pm
A major limitation of psychiatry is that it takes patients out of context, meaning it ascribes problems to malfunctions of the brain, yet I believe the malfunctions are secondary, in most cases.  Most people who get depressed have very good reasons, most of the time, including breakdown of coping mechanisms that used to work.  I believe many psychiatric problems result from society's dysfunction and cannot be blamed exclusively on the individual.  
For instance, the army has discovered that combat deployments without sufficient time between them leads to increased rates of suicide in soldiers.  "But when you have a war to fight," frequent deployments are considered worth the risk.  No one even questions whether these wars are necessary, as though they can separate the act from its context.
Thanks for commenting.  It always gives me a chance to spout off more.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 28, 2018 - 1:23pm
Katherine Otto:
      The problem which your article seems to make is that these doctors and scientists are saying their opinions are facts. It's the same problem with AGW scientists saying  Global warming is the planets greatest threat and will be "catastrophic"and that they need more grants and funding.
    Scientific Fact: Gravity and time will eventually disintegrate the planet.
Proof: May 3,2018 Hawaii earthquake and Volcano, 2011 Tohuku Earthquake and Tsunami-Fukuchima nuclear disaster, April 25, 2015 Nepal earthquake, January 17, 1994-Northridge earthquake...
     Why doesn't geology and seismology take precedence over AGW research?
      A 2 degree Celsius temperature change in the atmosphere has not been demonstrated to have a significant statistical causal relationship to earthquakes since atmospheric temperature change is not a temperature change in the surface of the earth where underneth the surface magma is roughly 2000 degrees Fahrenheit and because most of the earth is covered by the ocean.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 28, 2018 - 1:24pm
"Crazy" is not an official DSM diagnosis, so you would have trouble getting your insurance to pay for your treatment.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 28, 2018 - 1:57pm
I believe many psychiatric problems result from society's dysfunction and cannot be blamed exclusively on the individual.  
For sure. Take Africa for example. There are a lot less mentally disturbed people around. Simply because daily survival is what they're occupied with, and the social network still functions. Not the same as here were egoism, loneliness and stress at work rule.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 28, 2018 - 2:35pm
   Doctors apply criteria subjectively based on their personal preferences and beliefs. They don't fully comprehend the scope of human limitation.
     If someone wants justice that is different than being consumed by revenge and calling it justice.
    When a person only desires punishment and can no longer enjoy anything sweet or pleasant in life then their Spirit has begun a path downwards and in a process to being lost.
   The ultimate revenge is to send yourself to hell.
But, the doctor says that's normal sometimes and not normal othertimes. Based on what? It's always not normal.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 28, 2018 - 3:14pm
Psychiatry is totally bogus.  Anyone who trusts the APA needs to learn how they can be manipulated and beat like a drum.  The stupid liberals believe homosexuality is normal, and have no idea how this crazy idea is based on junk science. But they are brute beasts, too drugged up and enslaved by their out of control desires to think straight. 
America used to understand that masturbation was evil, that all sex outside of marriage was dangerous, and that drugs were to be avoided.  But then the 'experts' persuaded na├»ve Americans that these behaviors were not only tolerable, they were actually what enlightened people did.  This is why we have Badlose lecturing us that we need to accept drugs and debauched sex, and he can't stand Christianity.  The man is blind, but actually has a following of similarly corrupt and uninformed lemmings. 
The truth is, we all are born with a conscience, and our living up to it is what determines our happiness.  All thought, word, and action choices have consequences, and those who know history can learn best what choices lead to long term wisdom and prosperity, and what choices lead to destruction and misery.  If you evaluate the liberals, you soon find they understand the least history, pervert the little bit they do know, hate those who actually do know history, and are very attuned to the pleasure pursuing ideas that lead to disaster. 
Science is not a God, though the morally corrupt wish that weren't so.  Those who reject the Bible do so because their own corrupt habits are spelled out, and they absolutely hate being exposed for their evil in front of others.  They cherish their secret wicked deeds and when challenged, love to pretend they are more intellectual than others.  The wicked have gone to all kinds of mental contortions to justify their self destructive behaviors. 
Abraham Lincoln said it best.  "When I do good, I feel good, and when I do bad, I feel bad, that is my religion". 
Solomon said, "As a man thinketh, so is he". 
Christ said, "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God".
Ultimately, no one is hurt more than they are by their own wrong choices.  Liberals never get this, and simply call their evil, good, and others good, evil.  Like Gollum in the Hobbit, they love their Precioussssss, and will give up everything for it.  If it means destroying others in  the process, so be it.  Liberals are full of malicious spite, just like Gollum.  Gollum wanted his Ring, but the liberal of today want's their power, pleasure, and pelf.  Whatever is necessary to do, as Machiavelli advised, they will do it.  This is why when you show them evidence and all the facts in the world, they will reject it.  They are irrational creatures and simply cannot reason.  Their desires have blinded them and they are impervious to reason.  Like vicious boars, if you confront them, they will seek to destroy you, as they hate wisdom, truth, and love, though they will constantly assure you that their malice is actually love.  'We love the illegals children' they will holler, as they murder American babies in abortion clinics.  'We hate racism' they will shout, as they commit genocide on black babies in abortion clinics.  'We love the planet' they say, as they viciously murder the planets humans.  'We are for equality for everyone', they scream, as they steal from the makers and give to the takers.  'We are very tolerant' they screech, as they ruthlessly persecute Christians and those who uphold the virtuous forms of living. 
70 million people are on psychotropic drugs, and that was in 2014, the number is probably larger today.  The vast majority of liberals are.  I recognize this and you'll notice as soon as I  hear their whack and insane ideas I ask them about their historical comprehension and their drug use and they never want to talk about that, but will immediately begin attacking, as they know they have been exposed, and this they desperately  hate.  As MEFOBILLS pointed out, long ago, we had cities where we all knew each other, and when the liberals and their corrupt habits got up to speak, we all knew who they were, and ignored them or silenced them, as they are like children, too stupid to know what to say, and too corrupt to be allowed to speak, as they  live messed up lives, and wouldn't  mind messing up societies as well. 
Today, the enraged and emboldene
Ryan Messano Added Jul 28, 2018 - 3:14pm
liberals, heartened by the numbers of other depraved and uninformed types, are speaking out in numbers our nation has never seen.  They  have no conscience, and there are no laws we have ever had that can control these demons.  Notice liberals hate the second amendment?  Why?  It's because this is the only thing preventing them from subverting America to their perverted visions.  They know that law abiding citizens with guns won't allow their horrid visions to come to pass. 
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 28, 2018 - 3:49pm
     Every judge or government official is takes a sworn oath(or affirmation) usually on a bible to God to defend and uphold the  Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of their state.
   It's a sin to take an oath to God and violate it, or to take a wedding vow and violate it, but the evidence shows that a majority of professing Christians have at some time cheated on their wives or husbands. Divorce is too common.
    Why take a vow or oath to God if you don't intend on keeping it? You seem to be hypocritical.
Jeff Jackson Added Jul 28, 2018 - 5:10pm
Well actually, from my psychology studies, you are officially crazy when you solidly believe that everyone around you is nuts and you are the only sane person-that's when you're crazy, when you believe everyone else is crazy.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 28, 2018 - 5:40pm
Barath, as all the other liberals on here have been asked, and failed to answer, what five biographies of the 204 Founders have you read?  I'll answer for you.  You haven't read them.  So you are blindly trying to interpret the Constitution without  knowing a fig about who wrote it or why.  Kindly do not discuss politics until you educate yourself. 
Stop going to Google to try and find errors in the Bible.  The refutations of your nonsense is there too, you just left it out, conveniently.  You are a moral midget, and have no business discussing these topics.  The internet is a curse because it has given you and tens of millions of others of mindless dunces the idea that you are somebody because you can Google things that support your corrupt and uninformed views. 
Stone-Eater Added Jul 28, 2018 - 5:41pm
America used to understand that masturbation was evil,
Welcome to the 15th century. Maybe you never succeeded to successfully masturbate and therefore envy people who know ? I mean having no woman (or man?) and not masturbating means you're either asexual or have a potential explosive in your pants LOL
opher goodwin Added Jul 28, 2018 - 6:05pm
Stone - 15th century??? More like the 1st!!
Ryan Messano Added Jul 28, 2018 - 6:10pm
People who masturbate and like it have brains which are dull and stupid.  It perfectly describes the liberals brain.  Can't reason and are dull and blind. 
Your brains are selfish and cannot understand ideas outside your animal pleasure impulses. 
opher goodwin Added Jul 28, 2018 - 6:12pm
Katharine - this is a complex subject that is worthy of much debate.
The brain runs on chemicals. Everyone is addicted to the chemicals we already naturally produce. 
The experiences we have as a child rewire the brain. That is why childhood indoctrination is so successful. That rewiring is so difficult to remodel. It seems that brains become fixed.
I believe you can see that in this thread.
Humans seem to have a number of flaws that bring out these sadomasochistic tendencies. We have a tendency to punish ourselves and enjoy pain in others and inflicting pain on creatures. We are probably all mentally sick.
Our preoccupation with death is another affliction that is a direct result of intelligent consciousness and produces psychosis. This is probably one of the driving forces for inventing religions. We struggle with the issue of our own nonexistence.
Addiction with all its complex chemistry and rewiring is probably a learnt behaviour. There are underlying insecurities and needs that it addresses. I think we can be addicted to all manner of things: reading, religion, education, even love.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 28, 2018 - 6:18pm
People who masturbate and like it have brains which are dull and stupid.  It perfectly describes the liberals brain.  Can't reason and are dull and blind. Your brains are selfish and cannot understand ideas outside your animal pleasure impulses. 
I'm sorry for you being ill. Throughout your stay here one can notice that your brain cells are rapidly dwindling because your ability to understand a subject and comment to it logically and with reason has diminished. Try some masturbating. It strengthens your heart and lets you sleep more quietly. Your can always pray for forgiveness after if you think you need that :-)
Stone-Eater Added Jul 28, 2018 - 6:20pm
Our preoccupation with death is another affliction that is a direct result of intelligent consciousness and produces psychosis. This is probably one of the driving forces for inventing religions. We struggle with the issue of our own nonexistence.
You nailed it.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 28, 2018 - 6:26pm
BTW: It IS the main struggle we have. Why ? Because we don't know anything else than being alive. So logically we had to invent something that carries us on, and since we know that our body can't anymore, we invented "heaven" and "hell" (these being a clever educational bypackage).
And as we know, too much occupation with religion drives people crazy as well. Too much of ANYTHING is dangerous to mental health, actually...
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 28, 2018 - 6:31pm
     American history is overdone. I took it in the 6th grade, 8th grade, ninth, AP American history which I got credit for in the eleventh grade. But, I don't study it that often anymore because I study other things that interest me: Philosophy, religion, ethics, law, natural science, music, botany, nature, animals, birds, geography, geology, physics, astronomy,.. Read my articles, they are all about ethics.(Law, religion, science, nature, history too, ethics).
    That's what people study when they believe in being good.
     American history is in movies, television, music because we are Anericans in the United States. People study it far too much. True there is more to learn, but I study things spiritually now. Do you still read the books you read in the 8th grade. 
    Who was your home room teacher in the 8th grade? I'm an American you moron.
Okay, Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Hamilton, J. Jay, Madison, Monroe, Paine, Franklin, 
    Pre colonial - Locke, Rousseau, Montesquieu, see the Spirit of the Laws, French Revolution, Burke, etc..
    I've studied many of the Founding fathers. But, what have you learned about truth, justice and Liberty from them?
Ryan Messano Added Jul 28, 2018 - 6:49pm
Barath, I'm not talking about the weak history taught in schools, I'm talking about the history you independently learned.  You didn't, and so you don't understand it.  The Hellivision is a great place not to learn history.  Yes, I do occasionally go back and reminisce on books I read in the 8th grade. 
If you studied the Founders, you obviously missed their Christian intent in the writing of the Constitution.  Never had Home Room. 
Without virtue, there can be no liberty, and without Christianity, there can be no virtue.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 28, 2018 - 6:49pm
     I'll tell you knowledge is the mother of this Universe, but goodness is its Lord.
     It's common for example to give terminal cancer patients radiation and chemo therapy. If the patient survives an 4 months past the expectancy for the diagnosis they say they prolonged the person's life. But, if a doctor gets obsessed with the cancer he kills the patient with too much radiation. And after going through the torture of radiation therapy for 4 months and recovery for a year if the patient recovers from it at all , if he dies anyway, did they really prolong his life or cause him more suffering?
     If one looks at a case like Ted Kennedy afterwards, did the treatment save or help him? No, because he died.
    Medical ethics.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 28, 2018 - 7:12pm
Life expectancy for a white male in America is 76.4 years, so if a patient is 82, should you give them radiation? In other words you don't know their life expectancy without cancer. How do you know if you prolonged their life?
Doug Plumb Added Jul 28, 2018 - 8:14pm
Katharine, I am an addict (smoking) and I have to quit and I have tried a thousand times. Other than that I have moderate dylexia, not unusual for engineers. I diagnose as normal in psychiatric tests, I have moderate-severe CPTSD though.
  I'm considering a heroic dose of magic mushrooms, for CPTSD and for smoking. Shrooms may very well actually cure both of these problems at once. Many doctors, (You can find links by searching "Jordan Peterson Psychedelics") and maybe it will lead you to a wonder experience and new take on things.
  On another note, Dr. Lorraine Day, a former medicine professor and cancer survivor talks about the system in general, its roots and its philosophies. (warning for sensitive ears: she does specifically address the JQ in some of her talks. Avoid the Red Ice interview if you cannot handle this.)
Ryan Messano Added Jul 28, 2018 - 8:40pm
Au Contraire, Barath.  Knowledge is one thing, but wisdom is knowledge applied, the latter of which liberals and you lack considerably.   You and the liberals don't use the words wisdom and virtue at all, because you don't understand them or have them.  The Greeks, Romans, and Founders all had them, but you know nothing of them. 
Ted Kennedy was a degenerate who never should have been in the Senate after Chappaquiddick.  He was a wicked man who derailed Robert Bork's nomination to SCOTUS, paving the way for Anthony Kennedy and his heinous decisions on abortion and homosexuality.  As for radiation, we are all going to die.  If a doctor is trying to destroy cancer and the patient does not live, that is life.  The key to life is not to try to have quantity but quality, and the latter is improved by virtue and wisdom.  Liberals too often live as the Epicureans did, just for pleasure.  When they can't have pleasure, they want to kill themselves.  They commit suicide most often, and they are for the right to die laws, because they think life without their hedonism isn't worth living.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 28, 2018 - 8:51pm
     Goodness begins with caring about living things(mammals or higher life). Not with cruelty towards them. And justice is not selfishness. The Lord only makes allowances for those who believe in being good, not for those who are willfully malevolent by nature.
"Wisdom is a tree of life to those who take hold of her. And happy are all who retain her."
     Wisdom is feminine?
       She is then a God, goddess, or Angel?
Ryan Messano Added Jul 28, 2018 - 8:58pm
No, the two laws are,
1) love God
2) love your fellow man.  You forgot the first part, as most liberals do.  You think doing things for others negates the crimes against God and yourself you commit. It doesn't.
Chastisement leads to chastity.  God only corrects those who he loves, not bastards. 
James Travil Added Jul 28, 2018 - 9:10pm
How do you define crazy? Look at the profile of the crazy fuck who posted just before me. ^
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 28, 2018 - 9:17pm
     Love between men and God is forbidden. Love worshipping God.
Ungratefulness to your Creator is not pardonable. As if what you have is only yours. You wouldn't have those things if he did not create life, nor did your mother and father create the stars and Universe.
     Why do you worship one who did not create this Universe? How could he when he didn't know how it was done? When his creation story is impossible. Why do you makes bastards of living beings and the creation?
Katharine Otto Added Jul 28, 2018 - 9:19pm
Psychiatrists are wimps to let pharma, insurance and the government take over their roles.  Fact is, pills are easier than psychotherapy, and faster.  Talk therapy has been cost-shifted over to psychologists and  social workers.  Psychiatrists have been marginalized into prescription-writing machines, with typical appointments of 15 minutes for "medication management."  Some people can't even list all the meds they take in fifteen minutes.
As long as we live in a quick-fix society we will settle for band-aid cures.
I have some ideas about what addiction is, and will write on it soon.  
Katharine Otto Added Jul 28, 2018 - 9:23pm
Simpler societies can't afford to be neurotic.  I do think a strong social network can help keep a person balanced.  A good example is Alcoholics Anonymous and its companion organizations.  Not only are they free, including paperwork-free, but they rely heavily on peer support.  They have a better track record than all the professional organizations do.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 28, 2018 - 9:32pm
In my view, doctors don't understand the scope of human capabilities.  Doctors are way too focused on the limitations, so they don't give patients enough credit for common sense.  
Doctors, generally, seem to be stuck in their own, very limiting paradigms.  I agree that they often confuse opinions with facts, but I would add that the entire "health care industry" pretends to know much more than it does.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 28, 2018 - 9:47pm
I knew that part about homosexuality would get your attention.  I'm no fan of the DSM, which I agree is more political than scientific.  Also, its primary purpose is to code for insurance billing, something your link doesn't mention.  It can provide some help in standardizing diagnoses, but any patient who has been in the system awhile ends up with multiple diagnoses.
There's another explanation for why homosexuality was eliminated.  As a rule, homosexuals don't want to be converted, and no psychiatrist is going to change someone who doesn't want to be changed. 
That may be why there's no DSM diagnosis code for "liberals" either.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 28, 2018 - 9:49pm
       If you imagine that Lord is an omniscient Creator, his mind and Spirit go up towards infinity, so that our science and scriptures would seem like an adult reading Charlottes Web again after 20 years after reading it in the 6th grade.(Still a good book though).
       They don't understand human limitation. In fact the body is only material. Almost anything can be fixed or rebuilt. 
     Is a fossil record sacred? Sure, it tells the history of life on our planet. The bible is 3200 years old, but the oldest marine life is 500 million years old. What secrets must the earth hold.
     If there is a medicine in nature that can help you the Lord knows about it. The Lord gives medicine to those who follow him because he doesn't like to see the good and honest suffer, it grieves him.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 28, 2018 - 9:50pm
I used to do therapy on myself.  I would sit and repeat "It really is them.  It really is them."
An advantage of being a psychiatrist is they get to do the diagnosing.  And, they have the keys to the lock-ups.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 28, 2018 - 10:05pm
Thanks for your input.   The whole body runs on chemicals, including cations and anions, so it could be considered an electrical network, too.  Apparently the brain has thousands of neurotransmitters, but we only know of a few of them.  Brain cells, neurons, have axons for discharging impulses at one end and dendrites, for receiving input at the other.  While the brain doesn't generally grow new neurons in adulthood, neurons are constantly sprouting new dendrites and making new connections.  This could be a basis for learning, and it could be a mechanism for "re-programming" beliefs and conditioning.
The question becomes one of when the "chemical imbalance" (if there is such a thing) occurred?  Was it a cause, or an effect, of whatever emotional problem the pills are supposed to treat?
Death is the great mystery, isn't it?  I do believe religion grows out of a desire for some reassurance of continuity.  But don't you think the desire to give pleasure can be as strong as that to give pain, even more so, if there's love or compassion?  As long as we're on the topic of the evils of religion (on your latest post), I would contend that religion's greatest drawback is that it claims pleasure is sinful.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 28, 2018 - 10:09pm
There's a lot of research lately into psychedelics, including psilocybin.  I guess research was big in the 1970s, but the government got so paranoid, what with Nixon's "War on Drugs" and the creation of the DEA, that research was halted.  But lately I've seen articles on ketamine, LSD, and of course, cannabis.  Also Kratom.
Will check out your link.  Thanks.
Barath Nagarajan Added Jul 28, 2018 - 10:14pm
      The right way to make a cake is not to go to the grocery store and study the chemical components of eggs, butter, flour, sugar, vanilla, and milk etc.
       You get the recipe from a book and mix the ingredients as it says.
Why would you want to do it by studying the chemical interactions, if you had to make the cake for dinner or by the time your parents arrived for their anniversary?
     Because they think it's more difficult, and that makes them superior. Because they want to believe they are superior, not because they believe in being good.
      But, there is nothing better for men than to be good. Men don't understand their limitations, they want to prove they can conquer their Creator.
     The Man in the box says deny your maker, raise your hand against your Creator.
James Travil Added Jul 28, 2018 - 10:19pm
" The Man in the box says deny your maker, raise your hand against your Creator."
This man, out of the box, says know who your creator is (and isn't). Reject slavery to false "gods". 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 28, 2018 - 10:19pm
Barath, you are corrupted by Eastern mysticism fairytales obviously.  Man can love his Creator, as a Son does his Father. 
That's wonderful Katherine!
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jul 28, 2018 - 10:58pm
Doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result.
Believing the 8 myths of DUHmerican life. 
Enjoyed yet another great article from you Katharine. 
Doug Plumb Added Jul 28, 2018 - 11:19pm
Katharine re "An advantage of being a psychiatrist is they get to do the diagnosing.  And, they have the keys to the lock-ups."
  Lorraine Day has a whole lot of really interesting things to say on this, in the current.
  The Bolsheviks also did quite a bit of experimenting, really really sick and unimaginable things - on a completely different scale of evil than movies like "The Hostel" or anything anyone ever heard about the holohoax.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 29, 2018 - 3:34am
Simpler societies can't afford to be neurotic.  I do think a strong social network can help keep a person balanced.
That's the point. That's what I found out in my years in Africa.
opher goodwin Added Jul 29, 2018 - 7:10am
Stone - yes - that concept of heaven and hell is a very human one isn't. We all like to believe the good guys get rewarded and the bad guys get punished. A little bit extreme if you ask me.
Neither heaven or hell sound good to me. The idea of doing anything for eternity would wear a little thin.
Too much of anything is bad - including time.
opher goodwin Added Jul 29, 2018 - 7:14am
Katharine - they are finding that the brain is a bit more plastic than they previously thought. It can adapt and produce more neurones.
An interesting recent study on the use of psychotropic drugs found that they increased the complexity of neural connections. People who used them had more complex brains. 
I think our predisposition for cruelty and pain is a big fault of ours. But I do agree that we can get a huge kick out of altruistic compassion.
Stone-Eater Added Jul 29, 2018 - 8:17am
Neither heaven or hell sound good to me
Because for a quiet and worthy life man has to compromise. No black vs. white as in above example.
opher goodwin Added Jul 29, 2018 - 8:38am
Stone - compromise is always the best way of life.
Anti-Limey Added Jul 29, 2018 - 10:24am
Here are some shrink jokes:
Psychiatrists have determined that compulsive masturbators are completely whacko.

After hearing that one of the patients in a mental hospital had saved another from a suicide attempt by pulling him out of a bathtub, the hospital director reviewed the rescuer's file and called him into his office.
"Mr. Haroldson, your records and your heroic behavior indicate that you're ready to go home. I'm only sorry that the man you saved later killed himself with a rope around the neck."
"Oh, he didn't kill himself," Mr. Haroldson replied. "I hung him up to dry."

Two psychiatrists were walking down a hall.
One turned to the other and said, "Hello."
The other one thought, "I wonder what he meant by that."

The mother of a problem child was advised by a psychiatrist, "You are far too upset and worried about your son. I suggest you take tranquilizers regularly."
On her next visit the psychiatrist asked, "Have the tranquilizers calmed you down?"
"Yes," the boy's mother answered.
"And how is your son now?" the psychiatrist asked.
"Who cares?" the mother replied.
Ward Tipton Added Jul 29, 2018 - 10:54am
According to the DSM5, if you have ever had a strong emotional reaction to outside stimuli, you have exhibited symptoms of a mental illness. 
Then again, new Mental Disorders are constantly being "discovered" about the time a patent for one of the psychotropic drugs is ready to expire ... and the new disorders are miraculously "treated" by these same drugs ... that now have a new name and an extended patent. 
Some 120,000 people (more or less) die annually from properly taken, prescribed medication ... talk about crazy!
Stone-Eater Added Jul 29, 2018 - 3:53pm
Great ones LOOL :-)))
Doug Plumb Added Jul 29, 2018 - 9:42pm
There is the story of a psychiatrist convention that I posted before but I'll repeat it here. ( Its an argument for monetary reform)
A bunch of psychiatrists are at a convention and they are all in a room talking about diagnosing patients. They complain to fact that it takes about 40 hours to determine if someone is crazy or not. They have to pay for huge offices to keep up with a growing demand for psychiatric services they do not have the resources to supply because of this diagostic problem.
  One doctor stands up and says that he has solved that problem. He says he has a small office in the basement. In the morning before he opens his doors, he turns on a tap and the room begins to flood. He has some mops and pails sitting in a corner. He instructs his receptionist to let the patience in when he gets into his office. He observes the potential patients from his office window. Those who pick up mops and pails are the ones in need of help. The ones that turn off the tap were the ones he judged to be sane.
Flying Junior Added Jul 30, 2018 - 4:39am
Try the patch.  Just use a 14mg patch and get used to not smoking.  If you have to wear 180 patches for six months, just do it.  Then one day, just say fuck it, I'm done.
Twelve years ago I performed the greatest solo concert of my short sweet life all the time wearing a patch.
I'm not sure if shrooms will free you because of the aggravating nature of cigaret addiction.  It's when you come down and feel like shit that you are most likely to buy another pack.
It doesn't hurt to have weed to smoke.  That can help you relax and act as a substitute.
Doug Plumb Added Jul 30, 2018 - 7:49am
Go to weed to get off cigarettes. lol. Weed IS addictive. It is not a wonder drug, why do you think govs are trying to legalize it? because they love the people?
People hate their saviors and love their oppressors, until they take the required amount of time to educate themselves.
Flying Junior Added Jul 30, 2018 - 1:06pm
The Patch.  Make it work.  It can free you.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 31, 2018 - 12:26pm
Thank you.  I guess we all have beliefs that seem true to us and myths to other people.  It seems there's a dearth of tolerance for beliefs we don't share.  Possibly psychiatrists and pills wouldn't be so prevalent if tolerance was more universal.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 31, 2018 - 12:32pm
I suspect experimentation has been universal throughout history.  I remember Tuskeegee inmates were intentionally infected with syphilis to study results and possibly to experiment with cures.  There's no telling what US military gives to its recruits.  But lah-de-dah Americans are used to licking the hand that beats them and passively accepting what the Almighty Government doles out.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 31, 2018 - 12:33pm
That's why I long for a simpler society and hope we don't have to create a disaster to bring it about.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 31, 2018 - 12:49pm
I like to think of the Great Beyond in terms of diversity.  I don't believe in post-mortem oblivion, and I do believe in a multiplicity of dimensions to which individuals are attracted according to their proclivities.  The idea of straight-forward punishments or rewards seems simplistic.  Like life itself, there is always a blend of desirables and undesirables. 
Interesting that "science" is discovering what I've always believed intuitively.  One day, "science" may actually catch up with me.  It makes sense that mind-altering or "mind-expanding" drugs do provide a different perspective.  For instance, the brain has specific cannaboid receptors, meaning parts of the brain selectively activated by THC.  We don't know all the receptors or neurotransmitters involved in this very complex organ.
Regarding compromise, a popular word these days, but a question:  Doesn't it mean that both parties have to give something up, so neither is really satisfied?  In a truly coordinated or cooperative arrangement, both parties benefit.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 31, 2018 - 12:54pm
Michael B.,
How can you tell the difference between a psychiatrist and her patient?
The patient is better dressed.
How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb?
Only one, but the light bulb has to want to change.
Incidentally, I once had to change an 8-foot light bulb.  In that case, I needed to find a store that carried them, have a truck to haul it in, a sofa to stand on and to rest one end, and the knowledge to recognize that the contact points and method of insertion were different from standard fluorescent bulbs.  Plus the $8.50 it cost.  But I did it, by golly, so that light bulb must have wanted to be changed.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 31, 2018 - 1:05pm
You are citing more confirmation that the whole "industry" is a propaganda and marketing campaign to create mental illness out of normal variations.  It's sad that so many people are falling for it, believing there is something wrong with them because they have so much trouble coping with the crazy system.  
The consortium of "expert" opinions is so loud and pervasive that it resembles truth.  Part of my purpose here is to ask questions no one else seems to be asking, to encourage people to think more deeply about what we have wrought.
Katharine Otto Added Jul 31, 2018 - 1:12pm
Nicotine may be the most addictive substance known.  It's also highly toxic.  Two drops of pure nicotine on the palm of your hand is enough to kill you.
Some people like the sensation of smoking, something to do with their hands, for instance.  Watching the smoke rise.  I have heard of those who benefited from the patch.
I think govs are trying to legalize marijuana because of the tax benefits.  Ultimately I suspect it may become a huge states' rights issue, if the feds don't preempt the chance to legalize it nationally.  I do believe drug laws cause crime.  I have heard that the south-of-the-border drug cartels resent the competition from state legalization.
Anti-Limey Added Jul 31, 2018 - 9:31pm
@ Katherine - LOOOOL! Good ones! You just reminded me of something I used to say to panhandlers whenever I was asked for spare change: "Change comes from within."
I'm glad you were able to conquer the almighty light bulb! That reminds me of another joke: "How many software engineers does it take to change a light bulb? None. It's a hardware problem."
Katharine Otto Added Aug 1, 2018 - 11:10am
Michael B.,
Cute.  I think we could all afford to "lighten up" and change from within.
Ian Thorpe Added Aug 2, 2018 - 10:54am
Katherine, a subtle exposing of the Big Phama / Healthcare industry business model which is to make everybody a patient for life.
Ian Thorpe Added Aug 2, 2018 - 11:08am
Stoney, I think you picked up on an important point here, what is diagnosed as mental illness is often a deliberate retreat from reality. I knew a man, Carl P, the Dad of one of my son's musical friends. When he could not work at his trade, plasterer, any more because of arthritis the authorities tried to persuade him to retrain, to sign up for job creation schemes, join the local job club and learn how to apply for jobs and such. This was a man in his late forties who had earned good money in the construction industry for most of his life.
He 'developed' depression, and being intelligent enough to have read up on it before complaining of symptoms, he quickly learned what answers to give to get the diagnosis he wanted.
Once declared disabled his creative side took over. Because he lived in a place named Oswaldtwistle he styled himself The Wizard of Ozzy, acquired a cloak of many colours, a wizard staff and a fancy dress to hat.
I had surreal but intelligent conversations with him for many years. The man had simply retreated from reality, being thought a harmless nutter was preferable to being demeaned by the dogooderfuckery of the authoritarian system.
Ian Thorpe Added Aug 2, 2018 - 11:24am
I too have noticed how the psychology industry tell us if you have ever had a strong emotional reaction to outside stimuli, you have exhibited symptoms of a mental illness.
I've also noticed how the psychology industry tell us if you never have a strong emotional reaction to external stimuli, you are exhibiting symptoms of a mental illness.
We can't win.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 2, 2018 - 12:07pm
Psychiatry, and medicine in general, are imperfect but necessary.  Great strides have been made in the last hundred years. Millions have been helped and that cannot be denied.  
Often mental illness is a natural and normal reaction to circumstances. PTSD for example. If death and mayhem don't disturb you, then you're NOT normal.
And yes, there are bio-chemical imbalances that affect mood and thought.
Mental illness is a human feature outside of "normal" parameters.
So the question becomes, "What is normal". Usually "normal" is when we are in mild emotional flux. and unfocused thinking, as a baseline. How easily we are distracted and emotionally reactive illustrate this 'normal" state.
When the emotional and thought processes become extreme reactions that do not comport with reality, the "illness" becomes clearer. 
When authoritarian personalities say "Liberalism is a mental disorder", they are saying more about their angry emotional state and reaction from selective biased information processing. Ironically it is THEIR mental condition that is being revealed.
A better question is, "What is sanity"? We so little of it these days? I propose it is a combination of nurturing compassion and positive social interactions, along with a temporary state of emotional balance and intellectual growth we occasionally find ourselves in.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 2, 2018 - 12:14pm
How do you define sane?
Insane: Cruelty
Dave Dubya Added Aug 2, 2018 - 12:24pm
Thank you. It basically comes down to one's relationship with others and reality. The greater the detachment, the greater the insanity.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 2, 2018 - 12:26pm
Not if those people are cruel, unstable and irrational, right?
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 2, 2018 - 12:35pm
Essentially, those are the qualities that define ethical decision making.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 2, 2018 - 12:46pm
One virtue carried out to an extreme at the expense of all others is not ethics. 
    Absolute Obedience to authority is just a tool to expropriate from others or to punish people they dislike. 
     Just like the old Totalitarian communist states found that the only thing that made it work was obedience to the State or authority. Without it, it collapsed. 
     But, then it wasn't social or wealth equality, because the leaders of the Communist Party expropriated all privileges for themselves.
    Because if they didn't believe in a God, then why should they be good. Men aren't usually good without God just because they ought to be.
Doug Plumb Added Aug 2, 2018 - 7:57pm
re "I suspect experimentation has been universal throughout history.  I remember Tuskeegee inmates were intentionally infected with syphilis to study results and possibly to experiment with cures.  There's no telling what US military gives to its recruits.  But lah-de-dah Americans are used to licking the hand that beats them and passively accepting what the Almighty Government doles out."
The military works for the banks. Who owns the banks?
Katharine Otto Added Aug 2, 2018 - 8:37pm
I sometimes think the people deemed mentally ill are smarter than the system they have learned to work to their advantage.  They have "street smarts," as your friend also seems to have had.  If you had "surreal but intelligent" conversations, perhaps he was contributing more to society by his eccentricity than in his former career.
The "psychology industry," as you call it, has been given license to judge people, unfortunately.  Because they have all this education, their victims accept the judgments about themselves and others.  To me, it's an institutional abuse of power,  Yes, there are people who, for one reason or another, can't cope with society as we know it, but perhaps it behooves us to look at the hypocrisy of society to ascertain why so many people don't fit the so-called norm.
Katharine Otto Added Aug 2, 2018 - 8:42pm
I would have more respect for psychiatry if it focused more on "normal and sane" than "abnormal."  By that I mean psychiatrists should be looking for areas of patients' strengths and interests rather than weaknesses.  Most patients are well aware of what's wrong with them, but tend to undervalue what is right.  You'd be surprised, when asked about strengths and interests, how many people have a hard time answering.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 2, 2018 - 8:51pm
    That kind of thinking is wrong.
Take a 13 year old kid who thinks he didn't  put out his campfire correctly when later a forest fire starts. 
    You say to the kid " You started the brushfire"
     He says" Sorry, I didn't mean to"
     You say we want punish you as an adult and fine him 360 million dollars for the full amount of the forest fire"
     He says sorry. When actually the fire was started by an ember from the highway blown by a Diesel engine.
     You have to prove his campfire started the blaze in a court of law.
What good does blaming him do when it wasn't his fault?
Katharine Otto Added Aug 2, 2018 - 8:52pm
Barath and Dave,
You're citing qualities that are hard to assess or judge in another person.  Any one of us can be all of the above at times, depending on circumstances.
I suspect the definition of mental illness comes down to a person's subjective sense of turmoil.  Lots of people are diagnosed with mental disorders when they merely don't follow rules.  Think of all the children diagnosed with ADHD because they won't sit still in class.  Is it their problem or society's problem that school is boring?
Katharine Otto Added Aug 2, 2018 - 8:53pm
The Fed's mysterious shareholders own the banks and government, and our military is busy protecting their assets in foreign lands.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 2, 2018 - 9:07pm
     If what you say is true then what is scientific about it?
      Parents take their kids to the doctor to help them, not kill them. Or sometimes they want to kill them, or others dupe them into taking them when they want to kill them.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 2, 2018 - 9:11pm
    If the Lord fashioned you from dust, then your body is made of clay. Why do doctors focus so much on the material and say that is scientific?
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 2, 2018 - 9:17pm
    I have to ask, where did you go to college, what is your degree in, if it's not too personal?
Don't get mad at me for asking.
Katharine Otto Added Aug 2, 2018 - 10:04pm
I have a different view of science than most people, and I believe medicine is more art than science.  This is not to insult doctors but to emphasize that the body is not a machine to be worked on from outside.  Science, as it's construed, ignores the spirit and underestimates the body's self-healing homeostatic properties.  This goes for mental problems, too.  Psychiatrists are too busy trying to be "scientific" such they have lost touch with their humanity.
As far as education goes, I have too much of it, and have had to unlearn most of what I was taught.  BA from Duke, Mercer Medical School for MD, University of Florida and Emory University for psychiatry residency.
Katharine Otto Added Aug 2, 2018 - 10:09pm
I just noticed your comment about the forest fire.  I'm not sure how that relates to anything I said.  I would be the last person to blame the child or to punish him.  
Ward Tipton Added Aug 2, 2018 - 10:16pm
I would personally relate medical doctors as being more akin to auto mechanics. They seek a "diagnosis" wherein either an illness or a symptom is quantified. More often than not, they tend to seek out a cure for the symptom rather than the disease, leaving the disease itself unchecked ... and require you pay the bill even though the symptoms persist when their efforts fail. 
As for shrinks and the licensed dope dealers of the realms of psychology and psychiatry ... statistically speaking, and I cannot remember where I read the survey ... a large number of students studying in these fields had mental issues of their own and were largely seeking to classify, quantify and define their own issues so that they could fit neatly into some well-defined category and place a little checkbox next to it so that they could be "normal". The end result is people who are already questionable in stability, subjectively judging others, based on highly prejudicial and biased opinions based on what is ultimately, an art form at best. 
As far as "normal" is concerned ... look around you at all of the people on any given day ... watch them. In regards to intelligence, half of them are even more stupid than they appear, thus the median "norm". 
Me? After looking around, I am quite happy not to be "normal". Though I certainly do not want or need someone who is prejudiced and biased taking a subjective look at my "psyche". 
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 2, 2018 - 10:58pm
      This world is basically simple, for example there are only 1-99 naturally occurring elements on the periodic table, 99-118 are produced in nuclear reactors or in labs.
     But, given those elements the permutations and combinations are endless. How would you find the right combination of elements in a formula unless it occurred originally in some form in nature or you used something to guide you?
     But, what you said about the Spirit seems to marginalize it. Someone asked if there is a Lord, why does he go to such lengths to conceal himself? 
   Because he doesn't. He only conceals himself from people who dislike him or don't believe in him. 
   The point though is they don't know much limitation they have and how much they don't know.
   How many species of living things existed on this planet in its whole history? Scientific answer: between 8.7 million and a trillion. If it's a trillion, material scientists have sa lot of research to do.
     When people have too many choices they get confused. They have indecision. The answers are really simple.
     The point about the boy is why blame an innocent boy because those people needed revenge when he wasn't responsible?
   Thanks for answering my question, but you can't defend life death decisions as being subjective in science or ethics.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 2, 2018 - 11:09pm
    If you say " make bricks without straw". Are you trying to make it too difficult for someone, or are you trying to punish them? Or maybe you didn't give them what they need to make bricks. 
Doug Plumb Added Aug 3, 2018 - 10:22pm
re "Doug,
The Fed's mysterious shareholders own the banks and government, and our military is busy protecting their assets in foreign lands.  "
...and screwing us. All wars are essentially fought for the banks to obtain a graduated income tax. They are the only ones that actually win in a war. Everyone else loses.
Ward Tipton Added Aug 4, 2018 - 12:13am
Actually, if history is any indicator, growth will only take the fiat-currency and the fractional economic and financial banking systems so far ... after that they need the war so that they can print new numbers on new worthless paper, loan that to the federal government who then forces the people ... most of whom are happy to be alive after the horrors of war and who will not question the return to the same beast that put us there in the first place, and who pay no mind to the economic reset or the reintroduction of the same financial circumstances that led to the war in the first place. Thus, the cycle begins all over again. 
Katharine Otto Added Aug 4, 2018 - 1:02pm
Doctors have certainly become what you say, and you agree with my mother in saying psychiatrists and their ilk go into the field to solve their own problems.  
I had a different motive, and probably others do, too, but it is submerged in the institutionalization of medicine and the widespread belief that healing comes from outside.  I believe in the unlimited powers of the mind, gifts and powers so-far undiscovered but glimpsed in dreams and visions.  We all have problems (challenges) that we overcome (or not) depending on individual circumstances and social factors.  
To a large extent, I agree with you that people, including doctors, expect too much from doctors and the medical profession.  Everyone, including the doctors, end up feeling betrayed and angry when the promises don't deliver the desired results.  
Katharine Otto Added Aug 4, 2018 - 1:18pm
If I were to say spirit infuses all matter, something akin to Native American belief, does that marginalize anything?  While I don't ascribe to the monotheistic tradition, I do believe in life.  Maybe all those elements are conscious, in their own ways, as they aggregate to give form to animated beings.  In the larger context, a worm is just as valuable as a saint and has just as valid a perspective, even if he can't communicate it to human beings.
I'm not sure what you mean about defending life death decisions in science or ethics.  I believe they are personal decisions, but society is all in a swivet about such decisions and wants to impose its collective will.  If I don't believe in killing, for instance, I wouldn't join the military, have or perform an abortion, support capital punishment, or participate in what's euphemistically called "medication-assisted dying."  Carried to extremes, I would have trouble finding anything to eat, since even vegetables must die if they are eaten.  In practical terms, life comes down to eating other life.
At the same time, I resent paying for other peoples' murderous ways.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 4, 2018 - 1:21pm
      To illustrate my point about that doctors didn't know everything; there are a lot of problems doctors can't cure. 
      Growing up in high school I had a knew a lot of kids with acne scarring. When I worked at the mall as s kid my manager was a onsetvative women with acne scarring. She wore a lot of make up to hide it. It is a very depressing problem for many women who are otherwise perfect.
    Why couldn't they cure it when many women suffer pain over it?
     It's actually really easy to cure in most cases.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 4, 2018 - 1:24pm
By the way, Katharine, women suffer depression over it. That's very normal.
Katharine Otto Added Aug 4, 2018 - 1:28pm
Why would I be in a position to demand people make bricks at all?  Why should they obey me?  I don't understand the analogy.  If you're suggesting I would be setting the bar too high, such that people are doomed to fail, isn't it incumbent on them to let me know? 
This is the lose-lose situation of the Garden of Eden and the Fall, is it not, a myth that has haunted humankind with the ghost of Original Sin since Judeo-Christian-Islamic religion began?  If God was omniscient, he knew his prohibition against eating that apple was doomed to fail, so he set Adam and Eve up by forcing the first conscious decision. 
The sin of disobedience to paternalistic authority implies decision-making ability that must face consequences.  That is the gift and curse of humankind. 
Katharine Otto Added Aug 4, 2018 - 1:33pm
That's my perception, too, but I wonder what the bankers really win, especially lately.  As time goes on, it seems they are losing the respect of others and for themselves.  Efforts to reclaim respect seem ever more desperate, as the national debt skyrockets beyond even the wildest imaginations.  More and more people are dropping out, giving up, and falling away from the economic wheel we have come to believe is proof of our magnificence.  
Katharine Otto Added Aug 4, 2018 - 1:37pm
Maybe, but the cycle may be winding down, as the world becomes more interconnected and aware of how it has been duped.  Regular people are not so quick to believe what they are told, are asking more questions, and challenging the status quo.  
All the contentiousness we see now may be a sign that people are waking up.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 4, 2018 - 1:40pm
    It means why make people's labor more difficult by oppressing them and saying they don't work hard enough. They set taskmasters over people. The Lord heard their they sorrow and cry of oppression and delivered them. Why should it be any different for a non Jew?
    If he set people up to fail then he wasn't good or not the Lord. People follow righteousness, worship their Creator and he gives to them when they ask or when they need.
    " The Lord has even given a home to birds in the trees".
     Means the Lord cares and teaches and nurtures living beings so they advance if they believe in being good.
     Note: Cardiomyopathy-enlarged heart. When the heart tissue gets stretched they don't know how to cure it.
      Arthritic hip- they do hip replacement surgery, inserting a titanium hip, but then they don't know how to regenerate it, and have made it more difficult to do so by interfering with nature and preventing it from being able to be regenerated naturally.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 4, 2018 - 1:52pm
This brute force/technological approach to medicine to doesn't work well. As if putting a titanium hip in is better than your natural one.
    Jimmy Connors is the greatest male tennis player of all time in my view. People would still like to see him play. But, they gave him s titanium hip, now people can't watch him play competitive tennis anymore. Why because they didn't know how to fix it naturally.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 4, 2018 - 2:21pm
    I'll tell you a story about the Lord. In the Mahabharata, Krishna advised stratagem in the Defeat of Drona the teacher, and Karna, son of Shiva Surya. 
     The Lord Shiva did not approve so duly propitiated by Drona's son, Ashwathama, the Lord Shiva tried to correct Krishna the avatara of the Lord. He granted Ashwathama a boon, which resulted in the death of the Sleeping warriors( see The Book of the Sleeping Warriors, the Mahabharata). The Lord Shiva always regretted it, Ashwathama was cursed, and he never wanted to go against the Lord again.
     There is nothing better in this Universe than the Lord's grace and mercy, but the Justice cannot be ignored for the sake of Mercy altogether because the Lord will bring you back even if it were Narayanars himself.
Katharine Otto Added Aug 5, 2018 - 2:22pm
I agree with you about the technological approach to medicine, but it seems we are in a minority.  
Every religion I know of has some version of the Golden Rule.  I interpret it to extend to tolerance and the desire for understanding.  I also believe sin is its own punishment and works like a boomerang.  Blame and punishment come from man's judgment, and we end up without justice or mercy.
Ward Tipton Added Aug 5, 2018 - 9:45pm
Katharine Otto - 
I would never presume to question or doubt the reasoning behind your studies ... though wonder when you were at UF and if maybe we have common friends LOL ... I certainly know a great many "like-minded" people ... though we all have our points of contention as well ... how boring would the world be if we all thought alike. 
The entire shift to medical doctor leaves me baffled at where that came into the picture, but in regards to them, they are scarcely any better than car mechanics, as often as not seeking to cure the symptom rather than the disease ... and billing you regardless of their success or lack thereof. 
Psychology is an art form at best ... and psychiatry ... again while I have personally had someone very dear to me treated with very limited medication due to circumstances well beyond their control, the expansion of drugging people has reached critical levels. 
Didn't hillary say once, in one of her many diatribes against guns, that if fifty thousand people a year were dying from any other cause that people would be rioting in the streets? Yet more than one hundred and twenty thousand people per year die as a direct result of prescribed and properly ingested medication ... yet the people and government praise the big pharmaceutical companies!? 
That seems to me, to be the very epitome of insanity!
Katharine Otto Added Aug 7, 2018 - 2:00pm
Medical school is useful in that it teaches a great deal about the body's intricacies, down to a biochemical and cellular level.  But, I learned very quickly how little we do know, because the body is so marvelously intricate, with its own homeostasis and wisdom.  Medications and surgery are clumsy methods for trying to control the body, but all have side effects that interfere with natural functioning.  
When I started in psychiatry, medications hadn't taken over the field the way they have now.  Therapy was still the mainstay, and typical appointments were 45 minutes.  During my training, the field shifted drastically.  Insurance companies increasingly would not pay for psychiatrists to do therapy, which was assigned to psychologists and social workers.  MD visits were shortened to 15 minutes for "medication management."  I guarantee 15 minutes is insufficient even to discuss one medication, if you're trying to determine how or if it's working, if the patient is taking it right, if there are side effects, especially when so many patients are clueless even about what they take.
I retired early rather than front for a drug-pushing system out of control.  The pressure to prescribe is enormous, and it comes from all directions, the "health care industry," and the mass-mind delusion that pills are the answer to every problem.  Patients expect and demand meds and larger doses if the ones they take aren't working as well as expected.  It astounded me how many meds people were on, and still they wanted more.
So I agree with you.  I've read here and there about over-medication or the wrong medications being responsible for many deaths.  I suspect even that is under-reported, because it is impossible to prove decisively.  My experience also tells me many people are being "treated to death," but there are no concerted efforts to address or interrupt this trend.  I keep writing about it, but the louder, more numerous, and more persistent voices from "the health care industry" drown me out.
Thanks for your comment.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 7, 2018 - 2:51pm
    Natural medicines don't necessarily have any bad side effects, they may also be sacraments, or things that are pleasant. Take using bees wax for chapped lips.
   It heals them. Side effects, if you take too much you might produce honey. But, is that really undesirable?
   Actual surgery is rarely necessary anymore.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 7, 2018 - 4:14pm
     If you accept the principle of human limitation, which was priveb to be a central scientific law by Heisenberg's Uncertainty principle, then people should believe in a God and in being good. 
Since there are a lot of things humans can't do.
    " There is nothing better for men than to be good".
I conclude.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 7, 2018 - 4:15pm
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is proven science.
Even Einstein could not disprove it.
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 7, 2018 - 7:32pm
   Does it take longer for cancer to kill you, or for radiation and chemotherapy to save you? Or how long does it take for radiation to save one from cancer?
Or does radiation and chemotherapy in most cases make it take longer for cancer to kill you more painfully?
Barath Nagarajan Added Aug 7, 2018 - 9:13pm
Or what I was trying to say was the Cancer takes a long time to develop, but the medicine has to work quickly. 
   As with other kinds of medical problems, the illness spreads over time but medicine has to cure it quickly.
    So which is more powerful good or evil?
Katharine Otto Added Aug 9, 2018 - 12:20pm
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle asserts that the experimenter influences the outcome of the experiment.  To me, that is the opposite of limitation, because it allows for multiple probabilities.  In fact, it suggests that "mind over matter" may be more "scientific" than believed.
As far as cancer is concerned, the body has many defenses against cancer.  There are so-called "natural killer cells," and something called "tumor necrosis factor," among others.  I remember learning that we produce many cancer cells every day, but the body destroys them before they do any damage.
Anything taken in too great a quantity can cause damage.  Even water, necessary for life, can become toxic if people drink too much of it.  It can upset the balance of electrolytes.
Yes, but how do you define "good"?  People have different understandings of what "good" is.

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