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So many people shout on the internet about socialism seeping into the psyche of this country, supplanting the natural urges for rugged individualism that made this country great. "If we only went back to the principles of the Constitution" they exclaim, as they gleefully ignore any reasoning why it sometimes feels like applying a straitjacket in trying to fit the modern world into the confines of that same Constitution. It is pointless to try to describe the difference between a nation perched on one edge of a continent, with an ever-opening frontier to the west offering a fresh chance to all who wished take it, and our modern nation, with the former frontier areas becoming depopulated as more and more people pour into the urban meccas.

 

At the same time, voices stridently denounce taxation as theft. It is the ascension of the cult of selfishness as defined by Ayn Rand. The rugged individualist is the highest expression of humanity, and all must strive to achieve that measure of greatness. If they fail, or are unable to find a place in modern society, then they should be judged harshly by Darwinism and cast aside without any assistance from the rest of humanity.

 

If any civilization is to survive, it is the morality of altruism that men have to reject - Ayn Rand

 

So an entire sub-group of our society has adopted not the morality of Christianity, but instead the amoral selfishness of Ayn Rand as the driving principle for our society. And in 2016, enough of them managed to seize political control with the assistance of others who were discontented with both their own economic circumstances and the choice of candidates. For better or worse, they judged Donald Trump as the preferred choice, and allowed a shyster from Queens to take office.

 

Forget the parable of the Good Samaritan when it comes to the aliens among us. Instead, inject fear of the other into the conversation in order to demonize any and all who have not met all hurdles for legal residence, and soften up the sphere of public opinion to enable their dehumanization. Forget the commandment about not bearing false witness. Instead, boldly contradict something you said yesterday that was recorded by all of the various media sources you decry as fake. Forget all prohibitions against adultery and fornication. Instead, judge someone by how effectively they set up their non-disclosure agreements with their various extra-marital partners. Forget any sense of shared sacrifice to rebuild the infrastructure of this nation. Instead, pitch a tax reform plan with 95% of its benefits aimed at corporations and plutocrats, and falsely pitch it as the greatest middle-class tax cut of all time. Time and again we can point to the times when the actions of this administration have been aimed at the degradation of those who voted for it. Yet even now, 18 months after taking charge, those who were hypnotized into becoming true believers of the cult of personality still see their leader as walking across the Sea of Galilee, unencumbered by the laws of physics. Kind of reminds me of his hair.

 

Why is it so many have swerved from acceptance of reality, onto a path leading starkly towards authoritarianism? How is it that we now have an administration that feels any challenge to its power by the press is grounds for exclusion of the representative of the press who dared to raise her voice in a question? How is it that an administration can be emboldened enough to falsify transcripts of the Helsinki press conference to eliminate all reference to a question as to whether Putin favored Trump's election, even though millions heard the question and answer either in real time or replayed later?

 

How many times do you need to hear "War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength." before you realize that this administration is trying to cut itself free of reality? In the speech to the VFW on July 23, President Trump said: "Stick with us. Don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. ... What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening." That is a direct appeal to believe only the words of the great leader, and ignore any and all evidence to the contrary that may be presented by any person or group who dares to disagree with the temporary delusion of the leader. A delusion that will be walked back the next day, only to be reaffirmed the following day.

 

Still, those who have become addicted to the sugar high of red hats and "Lock her up" chants refuse to accept the evidence of their eyes and ears as to the incompetence and greed of this administration. The one overwhelming success of the Trump movement has been to commandeer the complete support of a minority of the American public. Body and soul, they still believe that the man is only in it for them - they know that the discomfort they are feeling due to farm markets unraveling under the influence of a trade war is only temporary. They remind me of the black knight in the Monty Python Holy Grail movie, who after having had both arms and legs shorn off, kept saying "It's just a flesh wound".

 

During the last administration, the same corps of true believers were convinced that Barack Obama was destined to implement martial law, that FEMA had ordered millions of death shrouds to handle the violence that was sure to come due to the overreach of the Obama administration, that the Muslim brotherhood was just waiting for the signal from their leader in the White House in order to unleash ferocious jihad upon hapless American citizens. Funny, it seems to me that none of those things ever happened under Obama, nor were we ever in danger of any of those things happening. But if you took a Venn diagram of those who believed Obama was the epitome of evil, and mapped it on those who believe Trump is actually Making America Great Again, you will have a significant overlap. It is clear there is a minority within this nation who actively resist the reality of life in the 21st century. The question to be answered during the upcoming mid-term election is whether that minority will be allowed to hold the rest of the nation hostage, actively thwarting all efforts aimed at improving the lot of the American people while enabling the groper-in-chief to continue his self-aggrandizing swagger while he cedes control of our foreign policy to those who wish us ill.

 

The message sent in 2016 was that there is profound discontent in the economic maldistribution within this nation. Entire swaths of the population found themselves bereft of hope, and they hitched their wagon to the candidate whose words addressed their fears. Three years after the announcement that this misogynistic racist was mounting a serious run for the presidency, one can only hope that the scales are beginning to fall off of the eyes of those who have been deceived. We can only hope that soon the Trump rump will be a vestigial tail upon the national dialogue, as its elected enablers are swept from the scene.

 

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Comments

Lindsay Wheeler Added Jul 29, 2018 - 7:36pm
I thought the "the groper-in-chief" was Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton FORCED himself on many women---nobody in the Democrat Party cared!  On the other hand, Donald Trump had consensual sex with several women. The Democrats during Bill Clinton said, "We don't care. Sex acts are a private concern!"
 
Who had sex with an intern in the Oval Office?  Only one Bill Clinton.
 
The other Democrat John F. Kennedy was a notorious womanizer and adulterer! The Mainstream press hid that!  Democrat Senator Ted Kennedy and another senator regularly had "waitress sandwiches" at a local restaurant in DC. Nobody cared. 
 
Just as the Democrats didn't care about the sex lives of John Kennedy, Ted Kennedy or Bill Clinton---I DON'T
Lindsay Wheeler Added Jul 29, 2018 - 7:36pm
I DON'T CARE what Trump does in his personal life!
Leroy Added Jul 29, 2018 - 7:50pm
I just hope the mid-terms turn from a Blue Wave into a Red Wave, if for no other reason than to watch those with TDS squeal a little louder.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 29, 2018 - 8:10pm
EABC is one of the eight prominent liberal males on WB, including Mr. Michka, Mr. FJ, Mr. Travil (sez he's a conservative but worships the head of the Democrat party, Satan), Mr. Mufasa, Mr. Bill H., Mr. Badlose, and Mr. Stone (d).  These 8 are nearly guaranteed to get every single political or social issue totally wrong.  None of these eight will discuss their drug use, libertinism, or why they are historically clueless.  But all 8 will confidently give you their opinion, unasked on any given topic, and they love to hear themselves speak.  None of these 8 realize that wise men have something to say, but fools have to say something, and so they cheerfully engage in the latter activity quite frequently.  May the reader beware.  When they post, they are guaranteed nearly to get 8 likes, because their fellow brainwashed parrots will like their posts.  If anyone is trying to glean any wisdom from any of these 8, you are on a fools errand.  Until they educate and reform themselves, none of these 8 are worth listening to at all on practically any topic.  I have personally not learned a solitary thing from any of them.  If you listen to these 8, they are wise and profoundly learned, and have plenty to teach us.  Reality tells us otherwise.  All 8 are over fifty and it's sad to see men in the evening of their lives have no wisdom to offer. 
 
These 8 are a lesson to WB of what happens to men who pursue drugs, and sex, and neglect wisdom and Knowledge. These 8 thought their schools and the media would teach them all they need to know, and now are badly misinformed and full of disinformation, which EABC just spewed above.
 
I want to personally thank all 8 for the profound lesson in avoiding your mistakes in life.  I have been very edified and really appreciate you sharing with us. 
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 29, 2018 - 8:35pm
Lindsay, you may find this surprising, but I don't care what Donald Trump did in his personal life. What I do find disturbing is how the actions he took in order to prevent disclosure of his sexual peccadillos reeked with sleaze. And I find disturbing how his compatriots in the media world were willing to expend company funds in order to assist and enable the cover-up. And I find it disturbing how Donald has failed to acknowledge and take responsibility for his actions. Other than that, I don't care at all.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 29, 2018 - 8:38pm
But you don't have a problem with how Islam is a death cult, that abortion is murderous, and homosexuality is a public health disaster.  So your critique is severely biased and you lack any credibility to judge at all. 
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 29, 2018 - 8:38pm
Ah yes, Leroy, Totalitarian Disgust Sensation. I claim the language back from the rightist cult followers who think they have a monopoly on all catchphrases and acronyms.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 29, 2018 - 8:40pm
Baby Blue - don't worry, there are a few of us on this site who spread logic and reality-based bits rather than the poor grammar and unformulated thoughts of most of the right-leaning posters on Writerbeat.  Leroy, you definitely are not part of that crowd. I enjoy your writing even if I don't agree with much of it.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 29, 2018 - 8:42pm
Ryan, Ryan, Ryan. Calm down now, it's time to take your medicine. I know that the doctor prescribed you a Xanax / Oxycontin cocktail in order to calm you down. Just remember, as long as it is a legal prescription, you don't have to disclose your drug use. 
 
You truly are a pitiable hulk of a man who can't even attract a woman, and won't relieve yourself with auto-eroticism. I fully expect to see your name in conjunction with the next incident from the Incels.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 29, 2018 - 9:06pm
Ryan,
re:"None of these eight will discuss why they are historically clueless."

None of these eight, or any other members of WB feel oblidged to satisfy your demands. Its not part of any dialectic that we know.
Maybe you can enlighten us on the one you use.
 
But, I would be happy to do that. Maybe it has something to do with the amount of history Ive read. 
 
Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Jul 29, 2018 - 9:34pm
Funny how you know so much about prescription drugs, EABC. While I’ve never used them, I’d be shocked to find the ones you listed aren’t among the many you’ve used.  
 
You describe the mind of a liberal.  You can’t fathom abstinence, and are convinced purity is some sort of mental illness.  Very sad.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 29, 2018 - 9:36pm
Nice try, Mufasa.  Youare allergic to non Muslim history, and you’re writing betrays not the slightest smidgen of familiarity with it.  Like most liberals, you prefer to lie than do the work necessary to know.  The internet has greatly enabled your type.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 29, 2018 - 9:42pm
Ryan,
re:"Nice try, Mufasa.  Youare allergic to non Muslim history,"
 
Nice try at what?
 
As usual you deflect. As I said, Im happy to 
"discuss why I am historically clueless."'
 
Of course, then we would have to get to substance, instead of ad hominums and rash ignorance.  It would be fun and educational too!

Mustafa
Ryan Messano Added Jul 29, 2018 - 10:03pm
We already did get to specifics, listing five biographies of the Founders you’ve read, which is an extreme bare minimum, and ten characters from Plutarchs ‘Lives’ you’ve read.
 
You havent satisfied either.  
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 29, 2018 - 10:23pm
Ryan,  we are supposed to be discussing
""why I am historically clueless."'
instead of making demands.  
 
You should try to stay on point, something that you have not satisfied for your whole tenure on WB.
 
Mustafa
 
 
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 29, 2018 - 10:38pm
Mustafa - thanks for the backup in responding to Randy Ryan. But I'm afraid he's gone beyond the pale. The only response to him that makes sense is ridicule. That and ignoring. As you may also be doing, I am actively not reading any post that Ryan has created, because I think in his demented state of mind, he is incapable of any logical thought other than to reply with his rote responses of 5 biographies of the founding fathers (try that on someone from Great Britain or Switzerland or any of the hundreds of other nations on the earth). He uses a very US-centric viewpoint that is inconsistent with the world today. But he is in the prison of his own making and he alone bears the burden of loneliness he has imposed upon himself, since no one else can attain the standards of perfection he insists on applying to others.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 29, 2018 - 10:57pm
EABC,  Please accept my apologies for ruining your thread by interacting with him. My problem with him is that I find him hysterically funny. Kind of  like an arrogant dumbass., they are so fun. He is so vulnerable to the simplest form of reason.
Following this, I will try to redeem  myself.
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Jul 29, 2018 - 10:57pm
EABC, although a bit heavy on the pissed off adhominems, it still brings up many fine points.
 
“Instead, pitch a tax reform plan with 95% of its benefits aimed at corporations and plutocrats, and falsely pitch it as the greatest middle-class tax cut of all time. Time and again we can point to the times when the actions of this administration have been aimed at the degradation of those who voted for it. Yet even now, 18 months after taking charge, those who were hypnotized into becoming true believers of the cult of personality still see their leader as walking across the Sea of Galilee, unencumbered by the laws of physics. “
 
This is correct IMO. I keep hearing about our economnic recovery from people who did not believe those stats during Obamas term but do now. And the “alt-right” media suggests the economy is anything but hunky dory, even with the bubble of all bubbles of a stawk market.
IMO, it is classic example of cognitive dissonance. 
 
“How is it that we now have an administration that feels any challenge to its power by the press is grounds for exclusion of the representative of the press who dared to raise her voice in a question? “
 
That is simple. With our approach to a police state, our state will need full control of the media and the media is a voice of the old deep state, the CFR run deep state. This is moving in the direction of dismantling the CFR control of the narrrative. 
 
“Stick with us. Don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. ... What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening." That is a direct appeal to believe only the words of the great leader,”
 
As I read in The Sign of the Scorpion (which I do not recommend) the Bolshevik  ruling style was that of a Logocracy, the rule of government by words. For example, they had a phrase, Lenin is right even when he is wrong. Soung familiar? It does not appear to matter what he really does.
 
They remind me of the black knight in the Monty Python Holy Grail movie, who after having had both arms and legs shorn off, kept saying "It's just a flesh wound".
 
Bravo, well said.
 
“while he cedes control of our foreign policy to those who wish us ill.”
This is not new. The CFR, The FED, The CIA do not work for US.
 
“The message sent in 2016 was that there is profound discontent in the economic maldistribution within this nation. Entire swaths of the population found themselves bereft of hope, and they hitched their wagon to the candidate whose words addressed their fears.”
 
This classic Hegelian dialectic. It is true what brought him in, and in dooing so the maldistribution should increase apace. I hear people say what he said alot and I respond, “oh, yes, I heard him say that” but they still cant see that the middle class is still being destroyed and so is our constituion. Many seem to enjoy it happening just because it pisses off liberals.
 
All very well spoken points. You would think it would be easy to come up with a few candidates to defeat him, but I dont see it happening. Whatever sickness you are discribing on the right  exists in spades on the left, just in different dimensions, IMO.
 
Mustafa
 
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 30, 2018 - 9:46am
Mustafa - I don't mind at all that you interceded in replying to Ryan. My take is that he is not really funny, he is pitiable.
 
Thanks for the in-depth response to my points.
Don Allen Added Jul 30, 2018 - 10:59am
EABC.  Your essay reads like an Obama speech.  This implies it is well written, delivered, and directed.  While I disagree with most of it, I can appreciate your views. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 30, 2018 - 11:26am
Mufasa,
 
We spotlighted your ignorance of the basics of history.  You can't even be familiar with those yet claim  you would be delighted to learn. Who are you trying to fool?
 
Then you indignantly tell me to stay on point, like a ruffled hen, adjusting her feathers.  LOL. 
Ryan Messano Added Jul 30, 2018 - 11:27am
Hysterically funny to read the liberals who are mentally ill, reassure themselves about their shared mental illness by openly backbiting ideas they are too stupid to understand.  Ha Ha.  Mufasa and EABC, it's hilarious.  Thank you!
Ryan Messano Added Jul 30, 2018 - 11:35am
Also, it's pretty funny to watch liberals, who we have already established are clueless about history and morality, try to condescend to others who don't share their ignorance and corruption.  And you corrupt dimwits, Mufasa and EABC, are firmly ensconced in your delusional safe space.  Amazing!
 
The WB mentally ill eight, Michka, Mufasa, EABC, Stone, Travil, FJ, Badlose, and the deranged droidling, C-HpO, revel in each others ignorance and corruption, while scoffing and scorning at wisdom and virtue.  All are over fifty, and all are a disgraceful example of what happens to men who are the slaves of their desires and can no longer see the truth.  All are wretched reprobates.
Dave Dubya Added Jul 30, 2018 - 1:08pm
Ryan sounds like a pathetic guilt-ridden voice from the closet. He was born that way, then entrapped by his religious fanaticism. 
 
His "morality" is nothing but hate and fear.
Ryan Messano Added Jul 30, 2018 - 1:26pm
Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.
 
Dave and the liberal 8.  Michka, Travil, EABC, Stone, FJ, Mufasa, Badlose, and C-HpO. 
 
All wretched reprobates.  Go look that word reprobate up, Dave.  You are too dumb to know what it means.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 30, 2018 - 2:17pm
Don - thanks for the response. I try, and I have fun while I'm writing. Part of the fun is when you can shake the hornet's nest from a distance, and watch them swarm out of the nest. See Ryan above for an example of a mindless hornet.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 30, 2018 - 3:02pm
EABC, many comments back, before the thread went way off topic you commented, " What I do find disturbing is how the actions he took in order to prevent disclosure of his sexual peccadillos reeked with sleaze."
There is of course an issue that should disturb you even more, to keep this comment short I'll give it to you in three words. They are (in no particular order):
List, Kill, Clinton.
How about campaigning for a full investigation into some of those cases of people in a position to dish dirt on the Clintons but dies suddenly in circumstanes more bizarre than Spinal Tap drummers,* especially the case of the guy who committed suicide by shooting himself in the back of the head twice.
Now I'm British and we are not big users of guns, so I'm not an expert, but I would have thought it's almost impossible to shoot oneself in the head TWICE even from a more convenient angle.

*If anybody is not familiar with the curse of spinal Tap drummers, spend a bit of time perusing the links to biographical notes on the fictional band's drummers at the bottom of the linked page.
"Choked on someone else's vomit" is my favourite cause of death.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Jul 30, 2018 - 4:46pm
To Even a Broken Clock, I thought all sorts of people pay off incidents. Don't a lot of Hollywood people do that? So he had sexual liasons and then paid to keep them silent?  I don't see anything morally wrong in that. Doesn't Trump have a young child, and that preventing that from coming forward, is about his child and not about himself?  
 
I did not vote for his morality. Trump is a serial philanderer but his core character shown thru in his Inaugural campaign speech. No other Republican had the guts to do what he did. He showed an amount of insight, prudence and courage that no other republican, none of the other 16 Republican candidates showed. 
Dino Manalis Added Jul 30, 2018 - 4:46pm
 Like him or not, Trump is our president and we should help him govern America well.
Ken Added Jul 30, 2018 - 4:53pm
 “Instead, pitch a tax reform plan with 95% of its benefits aimed at corporations and plutocrats, and falsely pitch it as the greatest middle-class tax cut of all time."
 
How about we break this down into actual facts and show how inauthentic it is?  Prior to the take cut from 35% to 21%, corporations paid a TOTAL of 12% of all federal income taxes.  On top of that - corporations don't actually pay that, they are baked into prices consumers pay.   On top of sales taxes, the consumer is being gouged.  The more one purchases, the more one is taxed.
 
That said, of the rest of federal income taxes, the top 10% of taxpayers pay 75% of ALL federal income taxes.  The bottom 50% either pay 0 or get an EITC (welfare) check each year.
 
So WHO THE HELL do you expect to benefit most from a tax cut?  should the top 10% pay 90% of all taxes and the bottom 70% pay 0?
 
This is insane.
 
Everyone should have some skin in the game, no matter how small it is.  There is no such thing as free stuff.  Someone has to pay for it.  All these people just taking government handouts don't get that.
 
Democrats live off of division and giving out "free stuff" for votes. They offer nothing substantive or lasting.  They don't offer a hand up they offer a hand out.  They thrive on having a permanent dependent class.
 
Demonizing the rich for being rich is just more class warfare of the left.  You would demonize the successful and tell the rest "you have no chance, just take what I give you"
 
That is as unamerican as it gets.  Most of the rich in America have earned it, very little of it is "inherited wealth" or "old money".  Most of the richest people in
America started with little to nothing.  There is no country in the world that has the opportunity for upward mobility like America provides.
 
Those like you that would claim "the rich are stealing the economic pie" rather than admit that the pie is not fixed (as I have noted and explained previously) are simply disingenuous and promoting hate.  There is nothing inherently unhealthy in the income disparity because there is nothing that prevents one from going from the bottom to the top.  I even know several people that have become multimillionaires only to lose it all and then earn it all over again, some several times.  The lower the burden of taxation, the more disposable income people have and the more risk they are willing to take in attempting to innovate.
 
Let's choke all of that though, in the name of equality, and make sure America loses the innovation and individual freedom that has made it the beacon to the world.
 
As horrible as we supposedly are, I don't see anyone fleeing America for any other system, but I see people from every other system constantly coming to America for opportunity.  Including all over Europe. 
Dave Dubya Added Jul 30, 2018 - 4:54pm
Lindsay,
 
I promise not to snitch to Ryan about your sexual mores. His inquisition is unrelenting.
 
Your concern for the children is touching. Where were Trump's concerns again? Besides the ego gratification, that is. I mean really. It was about shutting the women up during the run up to the election.
 
"Insight, prudence and courage". Yes, these are the first words to come to mind during the joint press conference with Putin. ;-) 
Leroy Added Jul 30, 2018 - 6:00pm
"So WHO THE HELL do you expect to benefit most from a tax cut?  should the top 10% pay 90% of all taxes and the bottom 70% pay 0?"
 
Excellent point, Ken.  I guess he expects the bottom 50% not only to  not pay taxes but to be given money just for breathing.
 
"Everyone should have some skin in the game, no matter how small it is."
 
Absolutely.  If they don't pay, then they should have no right to vote themselves other people's money.
 
Leroy Added Jul 30, 2018 - 6:09pm
For all those with TDS, I hope you find this video disturbing.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 30, 2018 - 9:21pm
Ian, I am not going into discussing the conspiracy theories surrounding the Clintons, going back to the Mena Ark. airport issues. There may or may not be issues there, but we are looking at the current occupant of the Maison Blanche, and as such, we are not discussing prior incidents.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 30, 2018 - 9:26pm
Lindsay - so you believe a declaration that America is in a state of carnage, and that only DT can fix this carnage? You believe that a retreat from engagement from the rest of the world can result in better results for the American population? If so, I pity you. You have bought into the charade of the populism of the Trump administration, and you will be sadly disappointed as the fruits of his (labors) comes to fruition. I say labors in parentheses because for much of the time that he should be working, he is ensconced within his quarters, watching his paramour Fox News, who keeps stroking his ego with fact-free broadcasts.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 30, 2018 - 9:38pm
Ken - let's look at a different tax plan. And let me say that I am only looking at the individual plans, not the corporate plans. I myself believe that we needed to reduce corporate taxes to remain competitive globally. Though the argument that corporations do not pay taxes, their customers pay taxes is a bit of a canard, since the overall tax burden within the country should be balanced proportionally. Just think, if a person is not subject to income tax, then their exposure to excise taxes (like the gas tax) and paying the increased prices through corporate tax payments, represents a form of "skin in the game".
 
Never mind the fact that anyone who is on a payroll pays payroll taxes, for Social Security and FICA. The fact that this is not "income tax" is not a real issue, since it still represents money that is paid into the tax systems. I'm more concerned with people who ask for payments in cash, since they could easily avoid both payroll and income taxes through this means. We have a landscaper who is definitely US born who wishes us to pay him with cash. Since it will be a relatively de minimis payment, we won't argue, but I have no illusions that he will ever pay any taxes due on any money we pay him.
 
As far as a fairer way to deal with the individual tax changes, reducing the top tax rate is a sure way to remove the limit on benefits from the changes. A better way would be to increase the threshholds for moving from one tax rate to another since that gives benefits to all taxpayers, but limits the maximum benefit allowed to the highest earners. And I firmly believe that we need to lift the maximum limit on social security earnings, in order to bring the Social Security system closer to balance actuarially.
 
I know that these things are hard for a Grover Norquist disciple to comprehend, since I as a Democrat are advocating for actually finding a funding stream that matches our expected outgo as far as entitlements. But deal with it. Your ilk has had nearly 40 years since Reagan took office to fix the problems of the economy and entitlements. It's time for a party to take over that actually can read a financial statement and take action accordingly to fix it.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 30, 2018 - 9:38pm
Leroy, see my update to Ken for a response to you.
Ian Thorpe Added Jul 31, 2018 - 10:37am
EABC, now here's a thing. You were not al all concened with Obama's moal depravity or the moral decepitude of Crooked Hillary or the serial sex criminal husband but you want to trigger a constitutional crisis over unsubstantiated allegations about Trump.
You Dems are so brainwashed you just can't understand it was the corruption and dishonesty of your party and its rotten candidates that put Trump into what Obama and the First-Chick-With-A-Dick had turned into Le Maison de Débauche.
Accept that and offer voters a candidate who is not chosen for skin colour or gential configuration, a crook, queer, crony capitalist or a Washington Insider who bought a enough favours and had enough dirt on DNC members to swing the nomination away from the preferred candidate of party supporters. Calling people deplorables, idiots, racists or rednecks is not going to win hearts and minds.
Leroy Added Jul 31, 2018 - 10:43am
"I'm more concerned with people who ask for payments in cash, since they could easily avoid both payroll and income taxes through this means. We have a landscaper who is definitely US born who wishes us to pay him with cash."
 
Talk about a shell game, if I may borrow Lynn's analogy.  First, it was the "corporations and plutocrats" and now it is your landscaper.  Ok.  So your landscaper is a plutocrat.  I am surprise that someone operating on such a scale isn't a target of the IRS.  For sure those plutocratic landscapers should pay their fair share.  They are cheating us out of trillions of dollars in taxes.  I totally misunderstood what you meant. 
 
All those landscapers and maids and handymen and lawnmowers are the only ones benefitting from the tax cut.  One thing I don't understand, however, is how they are benefitting from the tax cuts if they don't pay taxes in the first place.  Could you be kind enough to explain?
Dave Dubya Added Jul 31, 2018 - 10:50am
Ian,
So the racist birther Trump has morals? No wonder we can't communicate with the fringe.
Calling people deplorables, idiots, racists or rednecks is not going to win hearts and minds. They have no hearts and minds to win. For decades they have called us libtards and commies.  
 
 
Leroy Added Jul 31, 2018 - 10:55am
"A better way would be to increase the threshholds for moving from one tax rate to another since that gives benefits to all taxpayers, but limits the maximum benefit allowed to the highest earners."
 
There are seven tax rates starting at 10% and going to 37%.  What do you not like about that?  And with the increased standard deduction, even people will pay taxes.  I expect to pay nothing for the first time in my life.
 
"And I firmly believe that we need to lift the maximum limit on social security earnings, in order to bring the Social Security system closer to balance actuarially."
 
I'm ok with that as long as they get extra benefits for paying more into the system.  Social Security is already skewed towards those that pay less into the system.  IIRC, it was intended to replace forty percent of your income.  If you make $100K a year, it doesn't even come close.
Ken Added Jul 31, 2018 - 12:30pm
Just think, if a person is not subject to income tax, then their exposure to excise taxes (like the gas tax) and paying the increased prices through corporate tax payments, represents a form of "skin in the game".
 
That is not accurate.  First those are invisible taxes that many don't even realize they are being charged, and secondly, much of that is state and local, not federal, and thirdly they still get EITC welfare back from the government and have little or no actually skin in the game and keep getting "free stuff" that isn't really free

Never mind the fact that anyone who is on a payroll pays payroll taxes, for Social Security and FICA
 
 
That isn't true either.  They have income deducted, but just being on a payroll doesn't mean you pay taxes.  Many have that all returned when they file the next year (and get EITC) based on the  amount they earn.
 
The new tax law has created a new highest tax bracket of 46.9%.  How "Fair" is that?  That doesn't even count FICA,  SSI, and all of the ancillary state and local and state taxes aside from ancillary federal taxes.
 
The USA has by far the most progressive tax in the world and one of the most unfair.  When half of the population isn't paying any income tax at all (basically anyone earning 45,000 per year or less - this isn't just the impoverished).  That is just obscene.
 
There is nothing fair or equitable about that
Don Allen Added Jul 31, 2018 - 12:54pm
Sowing fear is the base of techniques both sides use.  Both take advantage of the deplorable level of knowledge most citizens have.  In the language of disease, millions of Americans are susceptible to cheap fear tactics.  Not new, this dates back centuries. 
 
Now to give credit where due, Obama was a true master.  Trump tries but he complicates it by appealing to individual hopes for jobs and a better life.  Others offer the simpler exchange, your vote for free stuff.  The beat goes on, year after year.
 
Heaven help the politicians if our schools improved, and developed in our children some measure of critical thinking.  But who wants that?
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 31, 2018 - 1:14pm
Ian, I do maintain that the lifestyle that Donald Trump has enjoyed, with enough money to throw hundreds of thousands at former flings in order to buy silence is not one that is desirable. However, nowhere in my piece did you see any call for impeachment. What he did is his own business - up to the point where he received essentially a campaign contribution from the publisher of a tabloid in exchange for a catch and kill on a story. Then he used his extremely moral and all around good guy lawyer to handle the storm that threatened to emerge just before the election.
 
No, if there is to be ground for impeachment, they will emerge when the details of how interwoven the Russian oligarch and crime figures money flowed into the Trump coffers over the past couple of decades, and how there were documented wink, wink, nudge, nudges between the Trump campaign and those who conducted the document hacking in 2016. There's where any potential grounds for impeachment would occur. But I'm of the belief that were Pence to succeed Trump in office, we'd be going from an incompetent narcissist to a more competent moral crusader, and I don't think that's better.
 
David Brooks just had a column out today about how we need a third party to focus on devolving control back to the states and local governments, since that is the only place where progress is made. I think he made a good point.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 31, 2018 - 1:22pm
Leroy - my landscaper is a guy who works for the local feed and seed store in town. He does landscape work on the side. And yes, he asked for cash. Since I won't be paying him whatever the quarterly amount is before I have responsibility to withhold FICA taxes, it is not up to me to judge whether he is going to report a few hundred dollars in taxes. I can make a guess, but that is all that it is.
 
On the tax front, you wouldn't have created a tax cut that was as large as was established if you cut from the bottom up. So yes, such a cut would have affected more people than the top down cut, but wouldn't do as much damage to the budget. And now the administration is considering an executive action to enable adjusting capital gains for inflation. Guess who that benefits? Those who have enough assets to take capital gains. For normal people who don't have post-tax investment accounts, the only time that might benefit them is if they were lucky enough to live in an area where housing prices appreciated more than the currently allowed appreciation before capital gains are due on the sale of a primary residence. Just what the wealthier in this country need, another tax break. (Yes, that would benefit me, but I'm agin' it).
Leroy Added Jul 31, 2018 - 1:23pm
"David Brooks just had a column out today about how we need a third party to focus on devolving control back to the states and local governments, since that is the only place where progress is made. I think he made a good point."
 
I'm all for that.  You are starting to sound like a classical liberal.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 31, 2018 - 1:37pm
Ken, whether they are aware of it or not, they still are paying taxes. And the money that they pay into social security does not return to them. And the maximum Federal tax rate is 37%, not 46.9%. Where do you get that figure? The SS tax cuts off at about $130,000 per year, but the medicare tax continues. There is also a 3.8% tax on investment income as part of the affordable care act if your income is above a certain point.
 
We in the US do not have the highest tax rates. Looking at the data for the OECD nations, we are at the middle. I do see that the OECD does show the maximum tax rate as 46.3%. How that meshes with a tax code with a 37% maximum rate is not clear to me. But many other nations, including stalwarts like Germany, have higher maximum tax rates. As far as why so few people have any tax liability under the federal code? I suggest you ask the Republicans over the years who have kept up their mission to lower taxes to the point that we are running a trillion dollar per year deficit.
 
Hope I haven't ruined your ranting with facts.
TexasLynn Added Jul 31, 2018 - 2:09pm
Here is what I got out of your post, EABC…
 
You’re Mad:
You’re mad that Trump was elected.  You think Trump is a man of low character.  You’re mad at the people who elected him. You’re mad that they don’t regret electing him. 
 
You Hate:
You think those people are intellectually inferior.  You think they those people are hypocrites.  You think these people are selfish and greedy.  You think they are racist.  You think You think these people are paranoid.  You think people are holding back progress.
 
Summing It Up:
To sum up your post.  People who support Trump belong to a “basket of deplorables”.  Many on the left think that, and voice that.  I believe it was one of the major reasons people rebel against the left.  If I know you have me and everything I stand for… why would I ever support you, your candidates or your causes?
 
I can’t go through your whole rant… but I will make two points.
 
Hypocrisy:
In the general election what choice did the voters have?  None of the top four candidates were even remotely qualified for the office.  I voted “none of the above” but would never cast a stone at someone who chose Trump out of that bunch.
 
Paranoia:
I find it interesting that in one breath you berate the paranoid low-lifes that thought Obama was going to institute “martial law” and in the next rant about Trump being authoritarian.
 
I’ll grant you there were probably a few (very few) right-wing nuts who thought that about Obama.  You can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a left-wing nut who thinks that about Trump.
Dave Dubya Added Jul 31, 2018 - 3:08pm
Tex,
Trump is authoritarian. He threatens his political opponents with jail and accuses journalists of being the enemy of the people.
 
Trump went for years saying the Black president wasn't American born.
 
Paranoia? The Right accused him of being a Marxist wanting to confiscate guns. They talked of "Second Amendment remedies". The Right passed on memes about Hillary operating a child sex ring.
 
Millions of dupes still believe that CRAP. Their hate and lies are unrelenting. 
 
Hypocrisy? You betcha. 
Ken Added Jul 31, 2018 - 3:08pm
TL   If I know you have me and everything I stand for… why would I ever support you, your candidates or your causes? (I assume you  mean hate not have)
 
Excellent post.
 
This is what they don't get.  Their constant elitist attitude is horrible.  Do they really think that if they can be as rude and disgusting as possible that will persuade anyone to their cause?
 
I would also add, this is part of the reason for Trump.  Conservatives are fed up with the republican party hating them being their base and doing everything they can to keep them down.  Unlike some of the minorities in the democrat party that have sat there and taken it for 50 years, Conservatives in the republican party are standing up and saying "No More!".  The Tea Party, the conservative push, throwing out Boehner, Then Eric Cantor, then Ryan.
 
trying to push out as many as possible that talk conservative on the campaign trail then go to DC and are exactly the opposite.  Jeff Flake, Bob Corker, for example.
 
This is why the aricle 5 convention continues to gain steam.  12 states have signed on already of a required 34.  It is a slow moving train that is gaining steam.  The more states that come on board, the more that are pressured to join in as well.  This is possibly the last legal option we have to try and save our country prior to violence.
Don Allen Added Jul 31, 2018 - 3:16pm
Clock is merely following his convictions.  That's OK.  All of us do just that.  But from a graphic literary viewpoint, you say, "You can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a..."  What a great line.  Hope you don't mind if I use that for something, sometime. 
 
How about, "The dead cobra is still lethal..."  Or "When a dead rhino fall on you, you're still in big trouble."
Ken Added Jul 31, 2018 - 3:19pm
Trump is authoritarian. He threatens his political opponents with jail and accuses journalists of being the enemy of the people.
 
Actually, you ar edescribing Obama, not Trump- where has Trump threatened to jail political opponents?  I can't find any examples, however Obama did to several journalists and called Fox news the enemy - just as Trump did as a campaigner about specific news outlets not all media.
 
You clearly have no understanding of what an Authoritarian is or means.  Obama was far more Authoritarian than Trump has shown, including ruling by fiat.  If he didn't like a law he would just change it, ignore it, or make up one of his own through executive order.  And Trump is the authoritarian.
 
The Right accused him of being a Marxist wanting to confiscate guns
 
He was a marxist and did want to confiscate guns.  His mentor was communist Frank Marshall Davis, a card carrying communist, as most of his mother's friends were.  His own book stated he would seek out the most radical professors in college to mentor him.  He sat for 20 years in Reverened Wfright's Black Liberation Theology (marxist) church.  His entire presidency he tried to tighten gun laws and gun regulations.  You may throw out a random speech as you so often do to point out at one point he said "people say I am trying to confiscate guns of course I am not trying to do that, I would never do that" or some such, yet all of his actions say otherwise.  He just new he could not get it through congress so he did what he could.
 
The Right passed on memes about Hillary operating a child sex ring.
 
Interesting how you would take a very small minority and project that as "The right", and ingore the tens of thousands of liberals with #resist starting the night of the election and all the riots they did.
 
You, Bill and others are just simply hypocrites.  All is rainbows and unicorns as long as the left is in charge, but as soon as America rejects your ideology of hate and division you become unhinged.
Dave Dubya Added Jul 31, 2018 - 3:59pm
Ken,
where has Trump threatened to jail political opponents? You are indeed a low-information voter to even ask.
 
"Lock her up!" The chant of white assholes across the country, led by the Big MAGAt authoritarian himself. "You'd be in jail", Trump threatened Hillary during a debate.
 
What the hell makes you think you are informed?? All you have are your cult beliefs and hate.
 
He was a marxist and did want to confiscate guns. NO. Both are lies.  You can't cite where he claimed he wanted to confiscate guns. And you are a low-information liar and far Right extremist.
 
 
Here's what Obama said: "And at no point have I ever, ever proposed confiscating guns from responsible gun owners."
 
Obama was interested in learning all perspectives. It's called an "open mind". You'll never know that, either.
 
"The Right passed on memes about Hillary operating a child sex ring."
 
Interesting how you would take a very small minority and project that as "The right",
 
 Washington Times: Nearly half of registered Republicans believe Hillary Clinton's failed presidential campaign is implicated in a satanic child abuse ring operated ...
 
Bitherism, pizzagate, "Lock her up", "enemy of the people", etc. all illustrate how hate and lies work together.  
 
"but as soon as America rejects your ideology of hate and division you become unhinged." Last I heard Americans rejected Trump by almost three million votes. The electoral college is NOT "America". The people are.  
 
Ken, you'd be embarrassing yourself if you had a sense of shame. Yours is the hate and division. Those are the defining characteristics of Trumpism.
 
“Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening.” 
 
Ignorance strength.
TexasLynn Added Jul 31, 2018 - 4:47pm
Ken >> (I assume you  mean hate not have)
 
I did... I need to better proof-read my comments before hitting submit.
 
Ken >> I would also add, this is part of the reason for Trump. 
 
Absolutely.  You can only be called every name in the book, and get kicked and screwed by both sides before you kick back.
 
Ken >> Conservatives are fed up with the republican party hating them being their base and doing everything they can to keep them down.
 
The GOP establishment hates the fact that they have to rely on the likes of us conservatives as a base.  They hate the fact that we don't blindly submit to them like the black community does the Democrats with nary a peep (as you noted).
 
But... we still give them more support than we should and that is on us.
 
"The Democrats are taking this country straight to hell at a dead run.  Every now and then we elect enough Republicans to slow us down to a trot." -- TexasLynn
 
The sooner conservatives realize that the GOP will NEVER be part of the solution, the better.  We are better than the black community when it comes to shaking off the chains of our masters... but not by much.
 
Ken >> talk conservative on the campaign trail then go to DC and are exactly the opposite...
 
I used to call those guys RINOs... but now I'm wondering if we conservatives aren't the RINOs.
 
Ken >> This is why the Article 5 convention continues to gain steam.  12 states have signed on already of a required 34...  This is possibly the last legal option we have to try and save our country prior to violence.
 
I understand the inclination but question if it will work.  Even if you get the convention, the morons attending will likely outnumber the sane.  How does anything get accomplished?  How do you get through the convention without making things even worse?
 
The Republic is likely lost.  I understand that desperate times call for desperate measures.
 
Another possible desperate measure: A Case for Secession
 
(Look Michka, I linked to it again. :) Here boy... Now you can go nuts like a dog barking at a vacuum cleaner.)
 
Ken >> You (leftist) clearly have no understanding of what an Authoritarian is or means.
 
The word "authoritarian" is used in the same manner as "fascist" by the left.  It simply means "something I don't like".
 
Don Allen >> But from a graphic literary viewpoint, you say, "You can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a..."
 
I'd take credit for it... but it's at least a few generations old around here. :)  Appropriate it as you see fit, it definitely gets the point across. :)
Dave Dubya Added Jul 31, 2018 - 5:12pm
The word "authoritarian" is used in the same manner as "fascist" by the left.  It simply means "something I don't like". Nailed it. I hate authoritarian anchovies on my pizza from Hillary's sex ring parlor. 
Ken Added Jul 31, 2018 - 5:41pm
TL -I understand the inclination but question if it will work.  Even if you get the convention, the morons attending will likely outnumber the sane.  How does anything get accomplished?  How do you get through the convention without making things even worse?
 
I'll do an article on it sohrtly.  Your fears are echoed by many that are unfamiliar with it but fortunately, are actually unfounded.  What you fear canot happen - there could be nothing that gets done, but it can't make it worse.
Leroy Added Jul 31, 2018 - 8:16pm
The Koch brothers have traditionally been the boogieman of the left.  I see today where Trump has declared war on them.  Here's my prediction:  the Koch brothers will become the darlings of the left.
Ken Added Jul 31, 2018 - 10:08pm
Leroy, so true.  The funny thing is that the Koch brothers aren't even in the top 30 of campaign donations.  of the top 10, 9 are unions to the left. 
 
On top of that, the Koch brothers aren't even conservatives, they are just rich that don't donate to the left.  They are actually libertarians that are socially liberal.
Dave Dubya Added Jul 31, 2018 - 10:51pm
Leroy,
 the Koch brothers will become the darlings of the left. Hilarious! Who says the Right has no sense of humor? The same who say the Right has no facts either, I suppose. Over 99.5% of Koch donations go to Republicans. More "darlings of the Left", I presume? LOL!
 
You crack me up, Leroy.
 
Ken,
The funny thing is that the Koch brothers aren't even in the top 30 of campaign donations.  of the top 10, 9 are unions to the left. The funnier  thing is, you are wrong....again.  Are you TRYING to out-lie Trump?
 
Open Secrets.org reports the Kochs are in the top 20 donors. They were number 16 for the 2016 election.
 
Koch brothers aren't even conservatives, The Kochs are lockstep with conservatives on taxes and deregulation. 
 
 
libertarians that are socially liberal. No Kenny. Wrong again.
 
www.chicagotribune.com/news/.../ct-koch-senate-health-care-bill-20170624-story.ht...
 

Jun 24, 2017 - Chief lieutenants in the Koch brothers' political network lashed out at the Senate Republican health care bill on Saturday as not conservative enough.
 
 
Your LIE about unions is even further from the truth.
 
The tragic thing for America is none of these facts matter to the Right. They spew, they believe. They spew, they believe. Never question the propaganda. And never, ever admit a liberal is factually correct. 
 
Never.
 
"Alternative facts" exist for a reason. To distort, deflect,deny,dismiss, demean, deride, and discredit the truth that exposes the lies and and hate of the far Right and their leaders.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 31, 2018 - 11:00pm
TexasLynn, I always appreciate your comments because they are thoughtful, and composed with proper grammar. This is unfortunately an exception to many of those who espouse a conservative position.
 
Thank you for your critique of my position. I am taking it that you are not just including the current post but many more of my other politically based posts. That's because I don't see how you can get the points you list from this latest post, but you could gather them from other posts as a summary.
 
Hopefully I also share other posts that people learn from or at least enjoy. Unfortunately the political discussion has overwhelmed most other exchanges, and indeed I receive the most reads and responses when I express my feelings about politics.
 
Quite simply, I cannot understand how anyone can look at the performance of this administration and believe they are receiving anything good. I see mass incompetence in execution of strategy, whether it be legislative efforts, or foreign affairs, or the ham-handed efforts at reducing asylum requests at the southern border. I see massive efforts made to attack symptoms rather than trying to address the real problems of this nation. I see tax policy being implemented that benefits only the wealthy of this nation, and that will cause pain among those who depend upon existing government programs. I see a callous and vicious tendency towards others who are different ethnically from Donald Trump. Yes, I see white supremacy as undergirding many of the beliefs and thus the policies of this administration, and I do not want my country associated with these horrendous beliefs.
 
So it is not "hatred" of Donald Trump. Yes, I believe he has racist beliefs. Yes, I believe he is incapable of understanding complex discussions and as such is causing the foreign opinion of the US to plummet. Yes, I believe he is going after his goals in the worst possible way, so as to cause the most damage to this country. And so I use my words to try to state my case as best as I can, in the perhaps vain hope that I can open the eyes to those who have swallowed the Trump kool-aid.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 31, 2018 - 11:03pm
Don - I also appreciate TexasLynn's words and imagery. I also appreciate your additions to the vocabulary. I have tried to add new words and phrases in my writing as well. In particular, I use "in violent agreement" to indicate a strong agreement, and "cheek hernia" to indicate placing your tongue so hard into your cheek that it, well, you get the picture.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 31, 2018 - 11:07pm
Ken - I cannot improve on the comments that Dave made in response to your latest post. I just find it so frustrating when someone who obviously has intelligence is so inculcated inside of the Fox news / Limbaugh audience world view that they are incapable of understanding that the information you receive from those sources and the other right-wing extremist sites that exist is bullcrap and bogus. You have been deceived and you fail to see where your belief system has come a cropper.
Even A Broken Clock Added Jul 31, 2018 - 11:15pm
Leroy, I find this feud between Trump and the Koch brothers as extremely interesting and potentially a turning point in the support of the Trump faction within the Republican party. I saw Ken's post about 9 of the top 10 political donors being unions. Here is one source that shows only 2 of the top ten are unions:   https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
 
A third in the top 10 is George Soros, the conservative's favorite punching bag.
 
The Koch brothers are a true enigma. They are libertarians, and as such are not inclined to support Donald Trump. Though they went along for the ride initially, I think they have seen through the façade of this administration and are willing to sit this one out. And it is not a surprise to see this administration strike back at anyone who is not in perfect lockstep with the efforts of Donald Trump. He cannot stand any disharmony, since he is the snowflake in chief of this nation.
Ken Added Aug 1, 2018 - 12:56am
lol so they were 16...ok, put out the top 15, you imbecile.  
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/fourteen-americas-25-biggest-campaign-donors-are-unions-veronique-de-rugy/
 
it just astounds me how people are so ideologically wrapped up that they refuse to admit the obvious.
Leroy Added Aug 1, 2018 - 7:08am
One darling of the Left, Elon Musk, was discovered to be a closet Republican.  Notice how his fortunes have declined recently.  His name is now mud among the Left.  The Left can be vicious when one of their own strays away from the herd.
Leroy Added Aug 1, 2018 - 7:19am
You misunderstood my comment, Dubya.  The Koch brothers are against Trump.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend might be the proper way to understand my comment.  The Koch brothers won't be giving to liberal causes; however, they have warned Republicans they will start contributing to Democrats whom they can buy with their money..er..support their cause.  Actually, I like the Koch brothers.  Dissent is not a bad thing.  It's the rabid #Never Trump meme that is tearing the country apart.  The Millennials are starting to lap up red pills.  Minorities are starting to leave the reservations.  I can understand why the looney Left is starting to lose their collective minds.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 1, 2018 - 8:42am
Leroy,
the Koch brothers will become the darlings of the left. I misunderstood? It was  joke right? If not, then you are wrong. Which is it?
 
The Kochs share much of Trump's agenda and support his party. Period. They are not the "enemy of my enemy" in any way. 
 
rabid #Never Trump meme that is tearing the country apart.  Projection. Most of the country doesn't want to follow Putin, and take his word over our intel agencies and bi-partisan Senate committees.
 
These facts are "looney" how? 
 
Ken,
lol so they were 16...ok, put out the top 15, you imbecile. Imbecile? Is that your new word for "someone with facts that show I'm a liar"?
 
We have a word for your hateful and dishonest ilk too.
 
Your link is the same source I quoted. You needed to go back to 1989! It doesn't reflect the realities of this century! 
 
And there's this little factor that needed your deflection.
 
Dark money. 
 
Americans for Prosperity and other 501(c)(4) organizations in the Koch brothers' network of advocacy groups were not included in those rankings. They no longer need to disclose their donors.
 
You aim to deceive, distort, and demean. VERY authoritarian.
 
Keep deceiving, Kenny boy. Stay ignorant. Keep hating. I'll call out your hate, ignorance and lies.
 
That is what you can't stand. I welcome your evil for what it is, the sick hate from an authoritarian cult.
 
Stay that way. Putin loves the pawns of his Big MAGAt Puppet.
 
You make a good duped Russian agent, a useful idiot, like Trump.
TexasLynn Added Aug 1, 2018 - 8:50am
EABC >> TexasLynn, I always appreciate your comments because they are thoughtful, and composed with proper grammar. This is unfortunately an exception to many of those who espouse a conservative position.
 
Thank you... sorry to have let you down on this one.
 
EABC >> I am taking it that you are not just including the current post but many more of my other politically based posts.
 
There might be a tinge of that... but it's mostly from this post.  In fact, I read the post a second time and added to my you’re mad and you hate list as I read.
 
You definitely show your disdain Trump AND those who put him in power.  I come to this from a perspective of someone who did not put him in power (I didn't vote for him) and who calls the balls and strikes concerning his policies.
 
EABC >> Quite simply, I cannot understand how anyone can look at the performance of this administration and believe they are receiving anything good. I see mass incompetence in execution of strategy, whether it be legislative efforts, or foreign affairs...
 
With minor edits (see below)... I could have written this exact two paragraphs about Obama.
 
* edits underlined
 
Quite simply, I cannot understand how anyone can look at the performance of this administration and believe they are receiving anything good. I see mass incompetence in execution of strategy, whether it be legislative efforts, or foreign affairs, or the ham-handed efforts at opening the southern border. I see massive efforts made to attack symptoms rather than trying to address the real problems of this nation. I see tax policy being implemented that punish the working man of this nation, and that will encourage further dependence on government programs with little incentive to change.  I see a callous and vicious tendency towards others who are different ethnically and ideologically from Barack Obama. Yes, I see class and racism as undergirding many of the beliefs and thus the policies of this administration, and I do not want my country associated with these horrendous beliefs.
 
So, it is not "hatred" of Barack Obama. Yes, I believe he has racist beliefs. Yes, I believe he is incapable of understanding complex discussions and as such is kowtowing to foreign interest at the expense to US interest.  Yes, I believe he is going after his goals in the worst possible way, so as to cause the most damage to this country. And so I use my words to try to state my case as best as I can, in the perhaps vain hope that I can open the eyes to those who have swallowed the Hope and Change kool-aid.
 
EABC >> The Koch brothers are a true enigma. They are libertarians, and as such are not inclined to support Donald Trump. Though they went along for the ride initially,
 
Am I mistaken?  I thought the Koch brothers were "never Trumpers" from the very beginning?  Leroy?
 
Leroy >> The Millennials are starting to lap up red pills.  Minorities are starting to leave the reservations.  I can understand why the looney Left is starting to lose their collective minds.
 
Then you're seeing things I am not; but I never was that observant.  Examples?  Sure I see the outliers like Kanye West but see such instances as the exceptions that prove the rule.
 
Side Note: Is anybody else getting the feeling Dave Dubya is just Jeff Michka without the alcohol and profanity?
Don Allen Added Aug 1, 2018 - 9:19am
The Koch brothers, like George Soros, Tom Styers, Howard Schultz, Michael Bloomberg, Jaime Dimon, and others of extreme wealth,  just don't like people they cannot control.  
 
For them, money is everything.  Historically, this has always been true.  It's us plain old iddy-biddy, teensy-weensy working stiffs who  have trouble understanding that. 
 
That said, if you invited a group of lefties with their billionaires to a party and included a bunch of righties with their billionaires to the same party, you would find the lefties and righties huddled on opposite sides of the room - glaring at one another.  The billionaires would be in the middle, likely having a great conversation.  You see, they have much more in common with each other than with either of the constituent groups. 
 
MONEY talks.
Leroy Added Aug 1, 2018 - 9:36am
"Examples?"
 
Lynn, I refer you to the video link above as one such example.  You will not hear these things in the MSM. 
Leroy Added Aug 1, 2018 - 9:54am
The midterms are a race against time to see how much mud the left can make stick to Trump versus the older millennials maturing and the minorities realizing how much better off they are with the booming job market.  The Left will either say that O should get credit for the booming economy or that it is fake. 
 
The trend in job gains may have started under O, but it is Trump who capitalized on it.  Consumer confidence is key.  O did not inspire confidence.  Trump has been a cheerleader.  Whether the gains real or imagined, consumer confidence is up.  The higher the confidence, the greater the spending, the more manufacturers hire, the more the confidence goes up.  It is a virtuous cycle. 
 
On the jobs front, all you have to do is look around and see all the job openings in front of businesses.  I never saw that under O.  Fewer companies are requiring a college education.  I've heard they are even recruiting the prison population.  That is all good news for workers.  The Democrats have a tough sell to convince workers that the thousand or two dollars benefit from the tax reduction is mere crumbs and that the new jobs are fake and they are worse off with better jobs.  They have to convince voters that Trump's Supreme Court nominee is a right-wing tool.  In truth, he strikes me as one likely to turn moderate or liberal on the court.  If the Democrats weren't fools, they would embrace the nomination.  But, they have to make Trump look like the fool.  If successful, it will backfire and a true Constitutionist will be nominated.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 1, 2018 - 9:58am
Tex,
Am I mistaken?  I thought the Koch brothers were "never Trumpers" from the very beginning?  As I noted, their agendas overlap considerably.
 
Pence is tight with the Kochs. They are quite invested with him, in the past and the future. Koch cronies abound in Trump World.
 
In 2016, Politico reported:
From White House Counsel Don McGahn and transition team advisers Tom Pyle, Darin Selnick and Alan Cobb to Presidential Inaugural Committee member Diane Hendricks and transition-team executive committee members Rebekah Mercer and Anthony Scaramucci, Trump has surrounded himself with people tied to the Kochs...
In fact, many of the Koch veterans who played major roles in the Trump campaign had left the Koch network weeks or even months before joining forces with Trump, including Short, Lewandowski, Ciepielowski, Cobb, Jolly, Miller and Munoz — none of whom responded to requests for comment for this story.
 
From The Hill:
The Kochs did not back Trump during the 2016 presidential race but have supported top Trump administration officials, including Vice President Pence and Pruitt.
White House counselor Kellyanne Conway, White House counsel Don McGahn and legislative affairs director Marc Short all previously worked for the Koch network.
 
From Mother Jones:
Public Citizen—a vocal critic of Trump that has filed several lawsuits against his administration—counts 44 different Trump administration officials who have close links to the Kochs and their sprawling network.
 
That list starts at the top of the administration—Vice President Mike Pence is a longtime ally of the Kochs—and includes senior and junior figures throughout the White House and the various agencies overseeing the functioning of the government. Marc Short, the White House’s point man on dealing with Congress, is a former president of Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, the political nerve center of the Koch network. White House Counsel Don McGahn represented Koch-backed groups in private practice. CIA Director Mike Pompeo—rumored to be the next secretary of state—represented the Kansas district where Koch Industries was headquartered, giving him the nickname “the congressman from Koch.” 
Then there are the dozens of lesser-known yet still influential administration jobs filled by Koch alumni. A few examples:

Eli Miller, chief of staff to Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, used to work for the Ohio affiliate of Americans for Prosperity, the Kochs’ quasi-grassroots group.
Alex Fitzsimmons, a senior adviser at the Energy Department working on renewable energy, previously worked as a spokesman for the Koch-backed Fueling US Forward, a pro-fossil fuel outfit run by a former industry lobbyist.
Adam Kissel, a former program officer at the Charles Koch Foundation and an outspoken critic of the Education Department’s handling of campus sexual assault under Title IX, got a job overseeing higher ed issues at the Education Department.  

It should come as no surprise that, as Public Citizen’s report documents, the Kochs’ deregulatory wish list has become something of a blueprint for the Trump administration. In January, Freedom Partners released a two-page doc
Dave Dubya Added Aug 1, 2018 - 10:04am
Mother Jones (Cont)
It should come as no surprise that, as Public Citizen’s report documents, the Kochs’ deregulatory wish list has become something of a blueprint for the Trump administration. In January, Freedom Partners released a two-page document titled “A Roadmap to Repeal,” which outlined nearly 20 deregulatory policy moves the new administration could undertake. As Public Citizen notes, the bulk of those actions—including an exit from the Paris climate accords, the repeal of an Obama executive order that blocked new leases for coal mining, and steps to end the EPA’s historic Clean Power Plan—have been undertaken by Trump and his administration.
 
Don,
MONEY talks. Indeed it does. Especially for Republicans. Money has bought cuts in regulations for polluters, deregulation of Wall Street, dismantling of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, and massive tax cuts for the rich and corporations.
 
All part of the Koch agenda too.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 1, 2018 - 10:11am
Leroy,
The Left will either say that O should get credit for the booming economy or that it is fake. The trend in job gains may have started under O.. Well, then. we agree.
 
 all the job openings in front of businesses.  I never saw that under O. You weren't looking either.
 
 If the Democrats weren't fools, they would embrace the nomination. Right. Those looney Dems should be WANTING a Justice who thinks the president is above the law. LOL!!
Ian Thorpe Added Aug 1, 2018 - 10:23am
Dave Dubya, Thanks for the astoundingly stupid response to my comment in which I highlighted the moral delinquency of Obama and The Clintons. As there has been a lot of discussion since then I'll repriny your response for the benefit of other readers.

Ian,
So the racist birther Trump has morals? No wonder we can't communicate with the fringe.
Calling people deplorables, idiots, racists or rednecks is not going to win hearts and minds. They have no hearts and minds to win. For decades they have called us libtards and commies.  
 
I never suggested Trump had morals, what I pointed out was that while people who subscribe to the liberal groupthink are ready to believe and unsubstantiated allegation against Trump, you were quite willing to dismiss fairly strong evidence of unethical behaviour by Democrats.
Trump supporters call you libtards and commies. Aww poor little you. Like you've never called them names?
So Trump is a birther, not only is that immoral, it is also based on words that came out of Barack Obama's own lips and also were written by his own hand. He may have denied claiming he was born in Kenya when being of foreign birth could have been an obstacle to his ambitions but he was happy enough to make that claim when he knew being believe to be from Africa would win him votes among Chicago's black consituency.
So how does lying to further one's own interests equate with moral immaculacy?
And being opposed to uncontrolled immigration is not racism. Nor is it stupidity, which is what Obama was guilty of when he let the Mexican drug cartels cross the border.
As for Hillary, well the crimes, the greed and the immorality of The Clintons was well known and yet you liberals stood by and let the DNC cheat Bernie Sanders out of the nomination.
You and people like you put Trump in the White House so stop complaining.
Don Allen Added Aug 1, 2018 - 10:34am
It is only a matter of time before someone attributes the Trump-Koch conflict to the pseudo-Marxist-Hayek economic theory of conflict dynamics and conspiracy ramified axioms.  And why not?  One side will agree while the other will not. It doesn’t matter there ain’t no meaning the conflict even exists or what it means.  It just sounds good. Conspiracy always sounds good to the believer. 
Dave Dubya Added Aug 1, 2018 - 10:47am
Ian,
I highlighted the moral delinquency of Obama and The Clintons.  But none of Trumps. Then you projected that bias onto me.
 
Don't blame me. I voted for Bernie. Accusing me of "standing by" is a bullshit accusation. There was nothing I, or any Bernie supporter, could do about it. Thanks for your use of authoritarian tactics of blame, accusation without evidence and demeaning ad hominem accusations.
 
So Trump is a birther, not only is that immoral, it is also based on words that came out of Barack Obama's own lips and also were written by his own hand. Racist is the term for Trump's birtherism. LIE is the term for your far Right authoritarian tactic of deception.
 
So how does lying to further one's own interests equate with moral immaculacy? Ask the worst pathological liar to ever debase the presidency Ask his cult of angry hateful true believers.
 
Calling people deplorables, idiots, racists or rednecks is not going to win hearts and minds. They have no hearts and minds to win. For decades they have called us libtards and commies.  
 
They are whiny little bitches who can dish it out but can't take it. You sound just like them.
 
Poor wittow authoritarian hater.
Ken Added Aug 1, 2018 - 11:52am
The Left will either say that O should get credit for the booming economy or that it is fake. 
 
The pundits on the left are all claiming that Trump is riding on the economy that Obama worked so hard to build...
Leroy Added Aug 1, 2018 - 12:26pm
"The pundits on the left are all claiming that Trump is riding on the economy that Obama worked so hard to build... "
 
O coulda, shoulda but didn't.  Like it or not, the Left should resign itself to the fact that Trump gets and deserves the credit.  Without the increase in consumer confidence, the current levels would have never been achieved.  Trump is 100% responsible for the increase.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 1, 2018 - 12:27pm
Ken,
Brilliant observation. In case your Obama Derangement Syndrome blinds you, here are the facts. Obama inherited a severe Bush Recession. Trump inherited a stable and growing economy from the Black guy he accused of being foreign born.
 
Duped farmers are already taking a hit, but they are loyal authoritarian followers. Like you.
Even A Broken Clock Added Aug 1, 2018 - 12:30pm
Ken - you said one thing I agree with. Trump is riding on the economy that Obama worked so hard to build. That is a true statement. By any measure if you look at the trends in job growth and reduction of the unemployment rate, the trend began after the start of the Obama administration and has continued with Trump. You might say that he hasn't had time to screw things up, but with the tariffs, he just may.  Incidentally, take a look at the extreme fall-off of foreign investment in the US since the beginning of the Trump administration. It has been stunning. Take China for example. Chinese investment in the US has fallen 92% during the first part of the year. See this for details:  https://money.cnn.com/2018/06/20/investing/chinese-investment-united-states-falls/index.html
 
In my state of West Virginia, late last year there was an announcement made of a massive planned investment by a Chinese firm in developing the shale gas and subsequent gas liquids and chemicals derived from these liquids. That was part of the trade pact made with the Chinese during the visit to China late last year. Since that announcement, it's been crickets. When you actively work to destabilize world markets and world order, don't be surprised when you get blowback.
 
And by the way, you called me an imbecile when my link contradicted your link. I could say that I question your reading comprehension, since your link showed the spending on political campaigns from 1989 to 2014. A 25-year look back at spending, and I have no doubts that during the early years, unions did play a much larger role than they are able to do today. That all stopped with the Citizens United decision that unleashed political money. It is a much different landscape now than it was in the '90's and early this century. I stand by my assertion that unions play a much smaller role in the politics of this nation than they used to, and I do wish to say that I agree with your statement of "it just astounds me how people are so ideologically wrapped up that they refuse to admit the obvious."  You appear to be the chief proponent of refusing to admit the obvious, and I doubt that any fact-based reasoning can ever break through the closed mind you exhibit.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 1, 2018 - 12:31pm
Leroy,
Spoken like a true believer authoritarian follower. I'm surprised you haven't been bitching about the "Obama Recession" yet. Once Trump tweets it, you'll follow. You trust and believe a pathological liar. You have no choice. It is in your authoritarian nature.
Even A Broken Clock Added Aug 1, 2018 - 12:39pm
TexasLynn - well, we may have to agree to disagree. And that is what is amazing to me, is that now we have polarized to such an extent that one side cannot understand the world view of the other side. We see the same events and draw diametrically different conclusions.
 
By the way, I do understand how Trump was able to win, and I do not dispute his legitimacy as President. When you have one side (Democrats) as condescending as they were in the campaign, it rubbed many folks the wrong way. I still maintain that the right wing media world including the fringes like Infowars believes in things that are just flat incorrect, but when you have millions ready to believe the conspiracy theory du jour, it is very difficult to have a fact-based discussion. And that's just wrong.
Leroy Added Aug 1, 2018 - 5:44pm
"I still maintain that the right wing media world including the fringes like Infowars believes in things that are just flat incorrect, but when you have millions ready to believe the conspiracy theory du jour, it is very difficult to have a fact-based discussion. And that's just wrong. "
 
Yep.  We idiots are to blame.  If only you smart guys voted...
Dave Dubya Added Aug 1, 2018 - 5:52pm
Leroy,
How smart do you need to be to know Trump is a birther racist and pathological liar?
 
 
Leroy Added Aug 1, 2018 - 6:38pm
"How smart do you need to be to know Trump is a birther racist and pathological liar?"
 
Evidently a lot smarter than myself.
Ken Added Aug 1, 2018 - 10:14pm
O coulda, shoulda but didn't.  Like it or not, the Left should resign itself to the fact that Trump gets and deserves the credit.
 
Don't forget the entire presidency the only president that never reached a 3% GDP blamed bush for it, now suddenly that 8 years of hard work Trump gets a 4.1% GDP and suddenly he got it due to the foundation that Obama left.  It is entirely delusional
TexasLynn Added Aug 1, 2018 - 11:07pm
I'm telling you guys... DD is a semi-sober Michka.  It's obvious.  Autumn!  Can I have an alter ego?  :)
Leroy Added Aug 2, 2018 - 6:26am
"I'm telling you guys... DD is a semi-sober Michka."
 
You're talking crazy stuff now.  DD uses paragraphs.  Michka would never stoop so low as to use paragraphs without a good reason.
Even A Broken Clock Added Aug 2, 2018 - 12:01pm
Ken, when will you abandon your delusions that you understand statistics? Though your statement that Obama never did reach 3% GDP growth is correct, but only for a full year. During the period from 2011-2016, on a quarterly basis, here are the quarters where GDP growth exceeded 3%:
 
4th Q 2011   +4.6%
3rd Q 2013   +3.1%
4th Q 2013    +4.0%
2nd Q 2014    +4.6%
3rd Q 2014    +5.2%
1st Q 2015    +3.2%
 
So even though growth never averaged above 3% for a full year under Obama, the quarterly numbers exceeded 3% multiple times. It would behoove you to understand the difference between a single quarterly result and a full year result before you claim victory.
Even A Broken Clock Added Aug 2, 2018 - 12:02pm
Leroy, honest question for you. Do you believe much of what Alex Jones presents in his show?
Leroy Added Aug 2, 2018 - 4:10pm
Clock, I never mentioned Alex Jones on this thread.  I don't have the habit of watching his show.  I've watched in some in the past.  If there is legitimate news, he is on top of it.  When not, he stirs the pot with his conspiracy junk.  He is often mischaracterized, much in the same way Trump is.  His conspiracy junk is no different from that coming from the left.  I would characterize this article as an example.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 2, 2018 - 4:16pm
Leroy,
His conspiracy junk is no different from that coming from the left.  I would characterize this article as an example. Exactly! Alex Jones saying a school shooting is a hoax is EXACTLY the same as criticizing a liar saying, "What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."
Even A Broken Clock Added Aug 2, 2018 - 8:31pm
Thanks, Leroy. I know you had not mentioned Alex but was curious. I myself ascribe more sinister motives to his stories and style. But I guess that's just my own bias showing.
Leroy Added Aug 2, 2018 - 10:27pm
My impression of Trump is that he is a pathological liar.  Pathological liars may be very intelligent, but they can't keep track of all their lies.  And, they are usually quite capable.  I also believe he is a true patriot and wants the best for the US.  I don't believe he is a conservative in his heart, but he ran on that theme and he is bound and determined to fulfill his promises.  He gets a rush out of it.  I worked with a pathological liar.  He's a classic.  He needs praise.  You have to admit that it is the most open presidency of our generation.  He says what's on his mind, even if it contradicts what he said the day before.  He's getting things done.  He may not be the best choice, but he is better than all the rest.  I'm pleased with the results so far.
A. Jones Added Aug 2, 2018 - 11:40pm
it sometimes feels like applying a straitjacket in trying to fit the modern world into the confines of that same Constitution.
 
Can you give an example of how applying the Constitution as it was written to the modern world is analogous to wearing a straitjacket?
Even A Broken Clock Added Aug 3, 2018 - 10:51am
Thanks, Leroy. I agree on the pathological liar part but disagree with the true patriot characterization. And as for the results so far, I don't see anything worthwhile coming out of this administration. That's because I disagree that we needed as large of a tax cut as we got, I disagree with the judicial appointments since the conservative nature of the judges is contrary to the feelings of the majority in this country, and the immigration policy, whether it be the ban on mainly Muslim countries or the disastrous implementation of zero tolerance is going after the wrong problem if you wish to control and eliminate illegal immigration. Other than that, he has boosted employment of fact checkers.
Even A Broken Clock Added Aug 3, 2018 - 10:57am
A. Jones - yes, I think the broad category of environmental protection is one where the issues affecting the nation today were unknown back in the days of the origin of the constitution. So now you have the need to provide for the commonwealth of the people by reducing the ability of individuals and corporations to pollute, thereby potentially conflicting with the constitutional requirement to prevent government taking without compensation.
 
In the late 1700's, no one could have foreseen the population base of today with the industrial technology. No one could have foreseen that air pollution from one state would adversely affect the residents of downwind states.
 
Certainly there are many who would advocate for the complete dissolution of the EPA and all its regulations since it is not explicitly provided for in the constitution. But though they are many, they are a minority in this country, and should not be allowed to cause us to revert to the free-for-all status we used to have regarding pollution.
Ari Silverstein Added Aug 4, 2018 - 8:51am
Concerns about socialism and taxation are not concerns that change over time.  They are both as relevant today as they were when the nation was founded.  I would also add that the Constitution and the ability to expand geographically has nothing to do with these concerns.  A society with a heavy degree of socialism and taxation will most definitely fail to provide for its people. 
 
In regards to Ayn Rand, I can see how a liberal would describe her views and followers as a “amoral selfishness.” The reality is that she simply had another way to describe capitalism and we all know how much better capitalism is than socialism.
 
As for Donald Trump victory, it was not the result of people “discontented with both their own economic circumstances and the choice of candidates.”  Whatever did you mean by that?
Leroy Added Aug 4, 2018 - 11:41am
"And as for the results so far, I don't see anything worthwhile coming out of this administration. That's because I disagree that we needed as large of a tax cut as we got..."
 
First, it was crumbs; now it is too large, now that it seems to be working.
 
"...I disagree with the judicial appointments since the conservative nature of the judges is contrary to the feelings of the majority in this country..."
 
I disagree that it is the feeling of the majority.  I also disagree with the tyranny of the majority, even if was a majority.  Why can't judges be appointed that follow the Constitution?  It is central to what the government can and cannot do.  To declare it irrelevant today is mindboggling.  If you don't like what it says, change it.  Don't use it like toilet paper.  Amend it.  And if the supermajority approves it, it becomes the law of the land and will be enforced by those that follow the Constitution.  To do otherwise is to enforce your beliefs on others without the legal authority to do so.  To make stuff up means law enforcement changes with the administration.
 
...and the immigration policy, whether it be the ban on mainly Muslim countries or the disastrous implementation of zero tolerance is going after the wrong problem if you wish to control and eliminate illegal immigration...
 
Again, if you don't like the laws, change them.  Having laws and enforcing them should not be a problem.  If it is a bad law, get rid of it.  Otherwise, enforce it.  I see nothing disastrous.  Most of the laws and policies have been on the books for decades.  It is only #NeverTrumps making mountains out of molehills, usually embarrassing themselves when they discover their heroes are the ones who implemented the policies and laws.
 
"Other than that, he has boosted employment of fact checkers."
 
Only by liberals who want to prove Trump wrong.  Again, if you don't like what the Constitution says, ask your legislator to try to amend it to your liking.  If you don't like the laws, write your legislator and ask him to try to change them.  If you don't like the idea that Trump is your president, be patient.  All thing change.
Even A Broken Clock Added Aug 5, 2018 - 8:36pm
Ari - I unhesitatingly call out Ayn Rand as wrong. But I realize that there are many who adore her beliefs that rugged individualism is all that is needed for a utopian society. It's only the people who live who foul things up by not living up to her ideal.
 
As far as the last statement, many people who voted for Trump did not do it as a positive affirmation of their choice. Instead, they believed that they had been neglected by Washington / elitists and reached out in hope to the populist statements of Donald Trump. In addition, the Democratic candidate was a very poor candidate who turned off a lot of folks. Therefore I believe Donald Trump got elected out of despair and a perception that there was no good option out there in the election.
 
How many of those voters now have buyers regret is the question as we head into the mid-term elections.
Even A Broken Clock Added Aug 5, 2018 - 8:39pm
Leroy, given the polarization that exists in this nation at present, I doubt that any proposed change to the constitution will pass muster and gain the required majorities to be ratified. I think we need to go back to basics and come up with a new set of Federalist papers that are discussed, so that we can determine what we as American's actually believe. Maybe this forum can help to provide a platform for this discussion?