Imparting Inclinations Involving Indentured Servitude

You’ve probably not heard of Sondos Al Qattan.  Neither had I, until recently. Sondos Al Qattan is a Kuwaiti beauty blogger, if you hadn’t already guessed. I realize that in the world of political correctness, using the title Miss, Mrs. or something else might be presumptuous of me, so I will just use the name. You can assign a gender as you wish, or, not even use a gender. Let’s not assign genders here, as that is politically incorrect and presumptuous. I will get straight to what Sondos Al Qattan said in social media regarding new laws passed to help the Filipino housekeepers in Kuwait: “The new laws that have been passed [in Kuwait] are like a pathetic film. For her [domestic worker] to take a day off every week, that’s four days a month. Those are the days that she’ll be out. And we don’t know what she’ll be doing on those days, with her passport on her,” she said in a video in July, adding, "How can you have a 'servant' at home who keeps their own passport with them?"


Pretty strong stuff. A day off a week, and the ability for the worker to hold in their possession their passport was just too much for Sondos Al Qattan, who had to speak out. This comment has a lot of people in an uproar, not the least of which from Philippine media. Coming to Sondos Al Qattan’s defense was “prominent businessman” Mishal Kanoo, who is “the chairman of Bahrain-based family conglomerate Kanoo Group.”  Mishal Kanoo stated that Sondos Al Qattan had the “right to speak her opinion” and no one, at least in the U.S. would disagree with that right. (By the way, Mishal Kanoo used the word ‘her’ so get angry with him about assigning genders, not me.) Of course, Sondos Al Qattan could express disdain towards the government imposing outrageous limitations on the owners, excuse me, employers of Filipina workers.


Website describes moderate inequality thusly: “Moderate inequality, according to the World Bank's definition obtains when the poorest 40 percent of the population receives between 12 and 17 percent of society's income. In Kuwait, the poorest 40 percent receive 15 percent, the middle 40 percent receive 34.4 percent and the top 20 percent receive 50.6 percent of society's total income.” In the U.S.,  “According to the UC Berkeley economists Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman, the 160,000 or so households in that group held 22 percent of America’s wealth in 2012, up from 10 percent in 1963.” The 160,000 households translates into 0.1 percent of American households holding close to a quarter of the wealth. While the U.S. might not be much better, at least there isn’t the indentured servitude which seems to be allowed and even fostered by other nations.


I’m waiting for the “global citizen” out there who reads this to tell me that I’m being “culturally insensitive” and that “traditionally” workers in Kuwait work seven days a week, and of course they cannot have access to their passports because their owners, excuse me employers, could not function if the indentured servant, excuse me, worker, suddenly left the country. Even if the worker had a death in the family or some other emergency, the owner, excuse me employer, would have to authorize them leaving. Want to leave? Only with your owner’s permission. Want a day off a week? Not from the owner, unless the law requires it, and then the owner will complain bitterly.


The sad part of this story is that Kuwait is not alone in this culture, or tradition, or whatever other rationalization used for what is economically little more than indentured servitude. When someone has to announce that you have the right to speak your opinion, I am wondering what kind of society needs to be reminded of that right. Apparently publicly expressing one’s opinion is a relatively a new idea. Of course, there is always the inherent danger of expressing one’s opinion, and perhaps Sondos Al Qattan has stepped into the trap of expressing a controversial opinion. Internet sources indicate that Sondos Al Qattan may be “blacklisted” and not able to keep Filipina indentured servants, excuse me, employees anymore. Good golly gosh, whatever will Sondos Al Qattan do? Perhaps pay people a working wage, allow them a reasonable amount of time off, and let them keep their passport? What is this world coming to?


In the closing of this culturally insensitive diatribe, I would like to note that sources are listed at the end of this essay. I try to be as meticulous as possible with facts, and I consider the sources listed as reliable, as well as the facts used in this essay were also verified by cross-referencing. Now for the spoiled, soft-gloved “global citizens” in the U.S., consider what it would be like to work seven days a week in a foreign country and not have your passport to leave. Still want to be a global citizen? I willingly accept any criticism displayed, intentionally or not, of cultural insensitivity. If you are inclined to call my criticism of indentured servitude, excuse me, foreign workers, culturally insensitive, you and I will have to discuss American culture from 1790 to 1860. To close with a culturally insensitive comment: Sondos Al Qattan, I think you would look prettier with your hair in a different style. Your present style does nothing for you.

(PDF) Income distribution in Kuwait. Available from: [accessed Aug 03 2018].


EXPAT Added Aug 3, 2018 - 6:32pm
Welcome to the world Jeff! I do not know what brought this to your attention, but it shows the Progress in human rights being made in Kuwait. The fact that Sandos is allowed to be openly GAY and promote slavery of domestic workers is unique in that part of the world.
I worked eighteen hours a day, seven days a week, without any rest. I worked like a slave and was treated like one.
They beat me regularly. The son of Madame tried to rape me several times. They always kept me locked inside the flat on the 13th floor. I couldn’t go out for three years!
I assume the Piney you mention are adults. In Bangladesh, Pakistan, and many parts of India, they would be 9-12 years old, and would not only work 24/7, would also be subject to beatings and starvation for not performing well.
And even that is not the worst.
Thailand shut down one of the largest Sea Food companies in the world, for holding fishermen prisoner on several islands off the coast of Indonesia and Malaysia.
Thai seafood: are the prawns on your plate still fished by slaves?

Report finds trafficking persists on Thai fishing boats, as campaigners challenge supermarkets to guarantee products are free of rights abuses
For the report HRW conducted interviews with 248 current and former Burmese and Cambodian fishermen as well as Thai officials, boat owners, local activists and United Nations agency staff over a two-year period in all of Thailand’s major fishing ports.
It documented how migrant fishermen from south-east Asia continue to be routinely trafficked on to fishing boats, prevented from leaving or changing employers, and are often not paid for their work or paid less than the minimum wage.
“What the report found was that although this military government has taken more positive steps forward than the last, the reforms that have been put in place are still largely cosmetic,” said Brad Adams, director of Human Rights Watch in Asia.
“Forced labour is routine. The workers we interviewed described being trafficked on to ships, trapped in jobs they couldn’t leave, physical abuse, lack of food, long hours and awful working conditions. The worst thing for many of them was not being paid – the psychological harm and final indignity was the hardest to bear.”
As soon as young girls develop into women they escape labor slavery by entering the SEX trade. Where at least they are well fed to keep up their strength, and Tits.
Your naiveté about human rights is typical of well fed Americans, Jeff. And the Globalists you mention are just plain delusional! The world is a horror story for millions.
While Bozo, make that Bezos and Musk, use your Internet addiction to shoot for the moon, millions cant even go home to the family that sold them in the first place!  

Jeff Jackson Added Aug 3, 2018 - 9:42pm
EXPAT, thanks for your comments, a well as some vital information concerning this issue. I was well aware of the slavery, especially in Thailand, that goes on, I was just looking for the right connection and story that would prove the point. I am sure that many more than Sondos Al Qattan feel that they are somehow "entitled" to have slaves. The slavery going on around the world makes the much derided "White Privilege" of the U.S. look like nursery school. I am completely with you on these naive "world citizens" who, in fact, have no idea nor any understanding of just what the "world" does to its citizens. I am hoping that information like the essay presents will at least offer some view of the slavery going on around the world. As the essay suggests, I am still waiting for someone to defend the slavery, like by saying it is their "culture." I was going to explain that while "White Privilege" is a problem, it fades in comparison to the rest of the world, I guess that may be obvious, at least to some. Thanks for your comments, EXPAT. I hope that the U.S. will bring some of its power and influence to bear upon the states that still promote this mentality. It must be made clear that we will not tolerate this treatment of anyone, anywhere in the world, and I hope those of Sondos Al Qattan's mentality are brought to face the consequences of their abhorrent behavior.
Ari Silverstein Added Aug 4, 2018 - 8:31am
“Good golly gosh, whatever will Sondos Al Qattan do? Perhaps pay people a working wage, allow them a reasonable amount of time off, and let them keep their passport?”
I think the only think Al Qattan should be required to do is allow his “employees” to leave the country or work for someone else.  The wage he pays and amount of time off he provides his “employees” are resolved if his employees are allowed to leave.  In other words, pay too low a wage or don’t provide enough time off, a worker will find another job, go back home or quit.  The threat of any of those things is enough to force Al Qattan’s hand in paying more or providing better working conditions.  After all, perhaps the wage is strong enough that everyone is getting what they want out of the arrangement.  So my suggestion is the free market solution to the problem of indentured servitude.  Your suggestion is the typical big government / liberal response.   
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 4, 2018 - 9:23am
Ari, I figured you'd take Al Quttan's side. I am all for free markets, until such time as the free market becomes exploitative. My "big government/liberal" attitude only kicks in when there is blatant exploitation, and that is what I see here. I'm sure you object to health and safety regulations, because, after all, if someone is subjected to dangerous working conditions, they can always leave the firm where they work, and if they get killed on the job, well, they should have quit before they got killed. Very noble of you. If free markets mean premature death or miserable suffering, then, that's how the market goes. No sense in protecting the citizens.
Kuwait is doing nothing more than what the U.S. did decades ago. It is not healthy, mentally of physically, to work seven days a week. Yes, there are people who can work seven days a week, but there are many who suffer physical damage and mental breakdowns due to overwork, then they can't work at all and become wards of the state. That's called "socializing" costs, where a firm runs up huge bills regarding damage to humans, and then leaves it to the state to take care of those damaged by atrocious working conditions. Who's the liberal/big government person here? The person who asks for reasonable and healthy working conditions for workers, or the firm who works people to the point of severe damage, and then turns their care over to the state after they have gotten all that they can get from them in terms of work?
Ward Tipton Added Aug 4, 2018 - 12:12pm
There are far more slaves in the world today than there were in the entire history of these independent but united States of America. 
Having lived in the Philippines for nearly two decades, this is actually common in many countries throughout Asia and the Middle East. 
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 4, 2018 - 1:54pm
Yes, Ward, and far too many people are slaves to people who could afford to help the people who do their chores for them. As I said, so many of these societies that do this describe it as their "culture." Indentured servitude is not "culture," it is enslavement. Thanks for your comments Ward, an lets hope a few more people open their eyes.
Sam Nowaczynski Added Aug 4, 2018 - 8:31pm
As a free market conservative, the situation you’ve described is very troubling.  However, there is one very important difference between it and slavery, slaves are forced to work against their will.  When someone travels to a foreign country to work, no matter the conditions, they are doing so under their own free will.  
As for those working conditions, the fact an employee no longer has access to his or her passport, just seems wrong.  It’s wrong because it gives the employer too much power in the free will of the employee.  The power not to work is a powerful tool every employee should have over their employer.
EXPAT Added Aug 4, 2018 - 11:00pm
Sam. Either you didn't read my comment or your mind is preconditioned to believe there is no more slavery in the world. I opened with the story of a afghan girl held prisoner in a London flat for 3 years, beaten, starved and raped. And then not paid when she was released. If that is not slavery, I don't know what is!
I followed with the story of SEA fishermen who are tricked or kidnapped to work fishing boats. Their paper work/passports are taken, they are not allowed to contact home, no time off and are held on islands while their boat is serviced. I knew of one man whose family thought he was dead, after not hearing from him after 10 years. He was not paid during all that time. The Thai Military recued him from a slave island (there are thousands of uninhabited islands in the South China Sea).
What you describe are the millions of workers who are trafficked around the world, including USA and UK. But there are still people who buy and sell children and poor people.
EXPAT Added Aug 4, 2018 - 11:14pm
A United Nations agency warns 40.3 million people across the globe were subject to some form of modern slavery in 2016. Among them, about 28.7 million — or 71% — were women or girls forced into sex, marriage or labor.
The 2017 Global Estimates of Modern Slavery report released Tuesday found modern slavery in every region of the world. The report didn't specify how many of those victims were in the United States during 2016, but a Walk Free Foundation index estimated that number to be about 57,700.
The report was compiled by the UN's International Labour Organization (ILO), the Walk Free Foundation and the International Organization for Migration. Modern slavery has no legal definition but includes human trafficking, forced labor, debt bondage and forced marriage. Put simply, the report said modern slavery is "exploitation that a person cannot refuse or leave because of threats, violence, coercion, deception, and/or abuse of power."
The majority of the world's modern slavery in 2016 took the form of forced labor, which accounts for about 24.9 million of modern slavery victims. These are people being forced to work in factories, farms and elsewhere under threat or coercion. It also includes the sex industry. The rest, about 15.4 million people, were living in an unconsented forced marriage, which often included labor.
Andrew Forrest, chairman of the Walk Free Foundation, said the number "shames us all."
"This speaks to the deep-seated discrimination and inequities in our world today, coupled with a shocking tolerance of exploitation," he said.
Ken Added Aug 5, 2018 - 3:36am
The sad, and disgusting thing is that there are more slaves in the world today than there were during the entire 400 year history of slavery in the americas, combined..
Kurt Bresler Added Aug 5, 2018 - 4:03am
Deeply disturbing for those who feel things are getting better or have a chance of getting better.
YOu have to wonder though,  which is worse an Asian Slave trader or a New York/American Lawyer?
America must rebuild it's Middle-Class or the alternative will be moving into third world environment including more willing slaves.
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 5, 2018 - 7:09am
Yes, Ken, that was the point of my article, which EXPAT has illustrated well beyond my efforts. My thanks to you both.
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 5, 2018 - 7:20am
Kurt, I am completely with you that we need to rebuild the middle-class or we will not continue on as we have before. A very adept review of the American economic situation can be found found in an article in The Atlantic written by Matthew Stewart, titled "The 9.9 Percent is the New American Aristocracy." One of the better passages reads:
"The meritocratic class has mastered the old trick of consolidating wealth and passing privilege along at the expense of other people’s children. We are not innocent bystanders to the growing concentration of wealth in our time. We are the principal accomplices in a process that is slowly strangling the economy, destabilizing American politics, and eroding democracy. Our delusions of merit now prevent us from recognizing the nature of the problem that our emergence as a class represents. We tend to think that the victims of our success are just the people excluded from the club. But history shows quite clearly that, in the kind of game we’re playing, everybody loses badly in the end."
The link: 
Thanks Kurt.
Dino Manalis Added Aug 5, 2018 - 7:57am
 Genders are assigned by Nature, no one else, the obstetrician just looks at the baby's sex organ and shouts boy or girl.  That's the end.
Ward Tipton Added Aug 5, 2018 - 9:35am
The real tragedy is how many people ... including news organizations and universities are out protesting the past of the US while totally ignoring any discussion about slavery in the modern world ... mostly NOT in the US. 
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 5, 2018 - 9:59am
Yes, Ward, because they can't change the past, so it doesn't involve work, other than the rewriting of history and tearing down memorials. The "global citizens" cannot wrap their head around the slavery that occurs in their "global economy" so it is far more relaxing and satisfying to just continually gripe and disparage what happened in this country well over a century ago.
The "global citizens" are largely unaware and uncaring of the slavery going on. As long as they can use Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and get a cup of Starbucks, and text their pals on their iPhone 8, the world is a beautiful place. Thanks Ward.
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 5, 2018 - 10:03am
Dino, how politically incorrect of you. The person could be queer, cis-gendered, non-binary, or transmaforgenitalianandorarian (OK, I just made that up) and we're all supposed to be sensitive and make sure we do nothing to hinder their expression of their sexuality, or lack of it. I do think we should be sensitive to the babies where they ask "boy or girl?" and the doctor says, "um, yeah, about that..."  Thanks Dino,
opher goodwin Added Aug 5, 2018 - 5:52pm
Jeff - I don't think it's exploitation - it is downright slavery. I'm amazed that anyone can support it. Says a lot about them I think.
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 6, 2018 - 7:36am
I'm with you opher. I think the U.S. should take more of a role in stopping this slavery around to world. Thanks for your comments.
Doug Plumb Added Aug 6, 2018 - 9:30am
In North America, if we wish to leave or go on a trip, we face the inquisitor at the airport. We face the inquisitor when going down the road when we run into a traffic stop run by police. No one expected the Spainish Inquisition, as Monty Python puts it. That is what we are facing.
  As far as slavery goes, we all have smart phones and that is little kids working seven days a week making those. The descention into the use of slavery has been our greatest crime and no one talks about it.
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 6, 2018 - 9:49am
Doug, there is always the option of not cooperating. A smart phone is not necessary for your survival. Flying is not the only means of travel. There are many options for those who would choose to live "off the grid." As I have stated so many times, social media is an information gatherer and seller, not a service to you, your family and friends, but a seller of your information. I have said this enough that if people refuse to accept the truth, then they will suffer the consequences.
There are numerous other ways to change identities to retain your privacy, and if you are that concerned, I would take those measures, so that they cannot identify exactly who you are. Privacy is there for those who seek it, or those who do not wish to fill the data banks of both the government and private businesses. Good luck, Doug Plumb, if that is in fact, your real name, and thanks for the comments.
Doug Plumb Added Aug 6, 2018 - 10:12am
I don't use social media for personal benefit, only to spread news that challenges the official narrative. I have a phone so I can get calls for work. I do not file income tax, it gets taken anyway and I ride a bike. You cannot hide - you can run, but freemen and bondsmen will be subject to the NWO agenda.
Ari Silverstein Added Aug 6, 2018 - 10:28am
I’m not siding with Al Quttan, I’m informing you of how the problem of indentured servitude / slavery can be resolved without a myriad of employment laws that will likely not be easily enforced.  It should simply be illegal for any individual to hold the passport of another.  It should also be illegal for any individual to only be able to work for a specific person. 
While you’re busy trying to protect Al Quttan’s employees you might be mistaken about what they’re getting out of the arrangement.  Perhaps the money they make by working 7 days a week is putting food on the table for a large family back home.  By giving him a day off, maybe all you do is jeopardize the well-being of the employees’ children. 
In other words, I agree with Sam.  This problem is resolved if the employee has the freedom not to work. 
EXPAT Added Aug 6, 2018 - 9:06pm
Ari Silverstein.
This problem is resolved if the employee has the freedom not to work. 
Yes Ari.
She also has the freedom not to eat.
She has the freedom not to feed her children.
She has the freedom to die of a curable disease at 25.
She has the freedom to suffer from an infection, because she has no money for medication.
She has the freedom to sell one of her children to a slaver, because she has no money to care for that child, and doing so feeds the rest of her family.
She has the freedom to watch her parents slowly die of a curable disease, because she has no money for a hospital.
YOU have a twisted concept of freedom Ari! Probably from a life of privilege. Either you didn't read the UN report I cited:
Or you are just too self absorbed to give a shit! 40 million people who are forced into slavery is an abomination and a disgrace to humanity. And those are just the ones who are exploited. Billions more live a life of mere existence/subsistence in silence.
And it does not have to be! We can put them to work with dignity, if we just invested in People instead of cell phones and trips to Mars. Yes, we would have to pay more for our Shrimp Cocktails and Gourmet Coffee, but for me it would improve the taste ten fold.
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 8, 2018 - 9:26am
One part of the article not included, because of short attention spans.
"The Philippines issued a temporary ban on the deployment of overseas foreign workers (OFWs) to Kuwait in February, after the body of Joanna Daniela Demafelis, a 29-year-old Filipino worker, was found mutilated in a freezer in an abandoned apartment.
In April, tensions increased after the Philippine ministry of foreign affairs released a video showing officials rescuing citizens from Kuwaiti employers accused of abuse. Kuwait later expelled the Philippine ambassador, Renato Villa, as well as withdrawing its own from Manila....
The two countries signed an agreement in May to soothe tensions over labour rights for OFWs, after Philippine authorities demanded that Kuwaiti recruitment offices pay a $10,000 (£7,600) deposit to compensate workers whose salaries were withheld or contracts suddenly terminated.
Roughly 660,000 people out of Kuwait’s population of 4 million are domestic migrant workers. According to Human Rights Watch, the country’s “kafala” system, which gives employers extensive powers over migrant workers, often forces them to remain with abusive bosses, while those who flee can be punished and imprisoned."
As explained in the essay, the "kafala" is likely considered to be part of the culture, you know, where employers have "extensive powers over migrant workers, often forces them to remain with abusive bosses, while those who flee can be punished and imprisoned."
Yup, don't work Sunday, go to prison. What wonderful options. If I can get Ari an interview, I'm going to try to get him a job there. I'm sure he'll enjoy it, and then he won't have to defend the employers against people like EXPAT and me, he can just enjoy the working experience that I am sure he thinks the workers in Kuwait enjoy.
EXPAT Added Aug 8, 2018 - 11:18am
Jeff Jackson.
Kuwait is an extreme example, But when I worked in Iraq, restoring their power grid, I worked for an American Company, Washington International, now defunct, but then under contract with the US Army.
We had approximately 20 Philippino's working for us. The Philippine contractor they worked for, did not pay for the Army DFAC food contractor. So this AMERICAN company cancelled their eating privileges, as if eating is a privilege, in an armed compound, Camp Victory.
I and my co workers who of course had unlimited access to the DFAC, Defense Forces Auxiliary Commissary, so we got take out meals and brought them to the Phillippino's.
I also went on an email campaign to every official in the company, causing great embarrassment to my Management team. 2 days later, their DFAC ID was returned! Two weeks later, I was fired without explanation.
I have a story about when I worked in Saudi Arabia also, about a Piney domestic who was gang raped by her employer and his friends. When she went to the police, she was arrested for prostitution.
EXPAT Added Aug 8, 2018 - 11:29am
P.S. I don't remember Ari working for the company, but a like thinker made the decision not to feed those flips, I'm sure.
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 8, 2018 - 12:17pm
Arrested for prostitution after being raped. Sounds like a "cultural" thing, huh? Wonderful working conditions, I must say. Thanks for your input EXPAT, you really made the point, and knocked it into the bleachers! Keep swinging for the fences.
EXPAT Added Aug 9, 2018 - 12:23am
Yes Jeff. It is a cultural thing. Non Muslim women are considered un chaste and therefore having sex with them is acceptable, whether they agree or not.
AN ISLAMIC professor has allegedly claimed Muslim men are allowed by Allah to rape non-Muslim women in order to “humiliate” them.
Professor Saud Saleh – from Al-Azhar University in Cairo, Egypt – reportedly said rape is allowed between times of “legitimate war” between Muslims and their enemies.
In a television interview Saleh appears to try to discourage the purchase of slaves from Asian countries for sex, claiming Allah has given Muslim men a “legitimate” way to have sexual relations with slave women.
Saleh allegedly said: “The female prisoners of wars are ‘those whom you own’.
“In order to humiliate them, they become the property of the army commander, or of a Muslim, and he can have sex with them just like he has sex with his wives.”
Dr Andrew Holt, professor of history at Florida State College, said Saleh’s alleged comments are disheartening coming from a professor from “Sunni Islam’s most prestigious university” which is more than 1,000 years old.
He is concerned the statements could be viewed as approval for the enslavement of Yazidi women by barbaric ISIS - also known as Daesh.
EXPAT Added Aug 9, 2018 - 12:29am
In case the meaning was not clear, this Muslim Scholar, a woman, was discouraging bringing domestics for sex from Asian countries. It is preferred to buy a slave Yazidi woman, to repeatedly rape, if you want to be on good terms with Allah, the most gracious.
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 9, 2018 - 7:58am
Thanks for the info EXPAT. This is a poor reflection of a society with a very bent set of morals. I am aware that they try very hard to hide this information, aware that we do not approve of such behavior. Most importantly-we will not tolerate this behavior in our country. Thanks again EXPAT. I wonder if some politically-correct people will excuse the rape, as, after all, it is their "culture" and we're not to criticize other cultures. As culture goes, there are no superior cultures. Yeah  right.
FacePalm Added Aug 9, 2018 - 8:46am
Yes, i remember how surprised Jefferson was to discover that the Qu'ran allowed not only slavery, but the kidnapping and torture of captives who were not Islamic.
Ghastly bastards.  Many of the slaves sent to America were obtained from Muslim slavers, and slave markets have allegedly sprung up all over Libya as a direct result of D'OhBama and The Liar's "policies."
Jeff Jackson-
Are you perchance familiar with Trump's Dec. 21, 2017 EO and Declaration of Emergency?  If not, i wouldn't be surprised; there's been a total news blackout on these particular items, even on Fox.  Had i not made a habit of scouring online media, i wouldn't know, either.
But would you like to speculate on it's likely effects if fully implemented, especially if foreign governments can be persuaded to apply it - or something similar - in their own countries?
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 9, 2018 - 6:46pm
Historically, the president has enormous power if and when a state of emergency occurs. Lincoln ignored the writ of habeas corpus, tried civilians in military courts, and did all kinds of unconstitutional stuff. FDR ordered companies to make war goods, whether they wanted to or not. Emergency powers give presidents enormous powers to, as Lincoln put it "preserve the union."
Ward Tipton Added Aug 9, 2018 - 11:56pm
Lincoln committed many unconstitutional acts, such as the jailing of dissenting reporters and the suspension of Habeas Corpus BEFORE the commencement of hostilities that he openly admitted to desiring at Fort Sumter, at the time, a foreign post on foreign soil that he was unlawfully occupying. Every president since Lincoln has at least one Executive Order declaring some kind of Emergency believe it or not. 
FacePalm Added Aug 10, 2018 - 5:15am
i'm hip to Lincoln's Oath-breaking criminality.  The EO - as you obviously know - originated with him under the "War Powers" acts, unconstitutional then and unconstitutional now...yet every damned president since has re-authorized them, apparently because they LIKE exercising Unconstitutional powers.  Ever read a book called "The Real Lincoln," by DiLorenzo?  Excellent synopsis of his reign; he's certainly not the hero the textbooks of the Public Fool system portray him as being.
That said, i've read where he certainly intended to have the War Powers acts terminated before the end of his presidency, but unfortunately, he was terminated prior, and now we have what is "legal"(de facto) but not what is "lawful"(de jure).
But as to "emergency," here are a few things you may wish to be apprised of:
"Every collectivist revolution rides in on a Trojan horse of 'emergency'.  It was the tactic of Lenin, Hitler, and Mussolini. In the collectivist sweep over a dozen minor countries of Europe, it was the cry of men striving to get on horseback. And 'emergency' became the justification of the subsequent steps. This technique of creating emergency is the greatest achievement that demagoguery attains."
-- Herbert Hoover(1874-1964), 31st US President
“Emergency does not create power.  Emergency does not increase granted power or remove or diminish the restrictions imposed upon power granted or reserved.  The Constitution was adopted in a period of grave emergency.  Its grants of power to the federal government and its limitations of the power of the States were determined in the light of emergency, and they are not altered by emergency.”
  ~Justice Charles Evans Hughes(1862-1948) Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court
Source: Home Building & Loan Assn v. Blairsdell, 1934
"I think of all the damnable heresies that have ever been suggested in connection with the Constitution, the doctrine of emergency is the worst. it means that when Congress declares an emergency, there is no Constitution. This means its death. It is the very doctrine that the German chancellor is invoking today in the dying hours of the parliamentary body of the German republic, namely, that because of an emergency, it should grant to the German chancellor absolute power to pass any law, even though the law contradicts the Constitution of the German republic. Chancellor Hitler is at least frank about it. We pay the Constitution lip-service, but the result is the same.  But the Constitution of the United States, as a restraining influence in keeping the federal government within the carefully prescribed channels of power, is moribund, if not dead. We are witnessing its death-agonies, for when this bill becomes a law, if unhappily it becomes a law, there is no longer any workable Constitution to keep the Congress within the limits of its Constitutional powers."
~Congressman James M. Beck, speaking from the Congressional Record in 1933 about the Farm Bill and Executive Orders.
All those fine words being said, the corporate entity DBA the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, INC. has been operating on a continuous state of emergency since at least 1933, when FDR made the private ownership of private property - gold - illegal.
"Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency.... Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens. ...
A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have, in varying degrees, been abridged by laws brought into force by states of national emergency....from, at least, the Civil War in important ways shaped the present phenomenon of a permanent state of national emergency."
-- Senate Report, 93rd Congress
Source: from the Senate Report 93-549, 93rd Congress, November 19, 1973, Special Committee On The Termination Of The National Emergency United States Senate. The purpose of the committee was to discuss and address the 40 year long state of emergency that had been in effect in the United States since the Emergency Act of 1933, the Trading with the Enemy Act October 6, 1917 as amended in March 9, 1933. During the continued state of emergency, Congress voted to transfer powers from Congress to the President. The debate to end
FacePalm Added Aug 10, 2018 - 5:22am
Ok, i see the last citation was truncated.  That's what i get for being verbose, but hopefully, not obtuse.  To complete it, then:
...long-running states of National Emergency was ended in 1976 with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601-1651), which limits any such declared emergencies to two years.
But as the presidential power to declare "emergencies" still exists, every president since 1976 seems to have availed themselves of the opportunity, and renewed it, whenever they apparently wished to.    The lure of power is strong.
All that said, then - i'd still like your opinion of Trump's Dec. 21, 2017 EO and Declaration of Emergency, if you're either aware or make yourself so, and what you think it's possible/probable effect(s) would be.

Ward Tipton Added Aug 10, 2018 - 6:54am
In India, one of the things that always confused me, is that they are purportedly not permitted to touch anyone of a lower caste ... or vice versa for that matter, though they are free to rape the females of the lower castes ... or any woman who smokes ... or any woman brazen enough to ride the bus alone apparently. While rape is certainly tragic however, it is ... in a sense, not as severe as abject slavery ... though I would not wish either upon anyone. 
FacePalm Added Aug 10, 2018 - 7:51am
i always liked Gandhi, and i've read apocrypha which state that during Christ's "missing years" = from roughly age 6 until He began His Israel ministry at 33 - He was ministering and learning and teaching in India, where He roundly condemned the caste system. 
The inherent superiority of Christ's teachings, IMO, is the oft-repeated themes expressed in several ways, but their meanings virtually identical:
"As ye sow, so shall ye reap."
"With the measure that ye mete, it shall be measured unto you again."
"As ye have done it unto the least of these My brethren, ye have done it unto Me."
"Give, and it will be given unto you."
"What you would have men do unto you, do also unto them."
"As ye have NOT done it unto the least of these, ye have not done it unto Me."
"What you would NOT have men do unto you, do NOT unto them."
Or, from the Gospel of Thomas, "Do not do what you hate."
Then, there's quite a few of the NDE's in which the witnesses - the ones who were not pleasant people in this life - return from their NDE having had their souls sent back in time into the bodies of EVERYone they EVER hurt, who had been compelled to re-live the experience, this time from the point of view of their victims.
Perfect justice.  An excellent motivation to cultivate what is called "the fear of the Lord."
Ward Tipton Added Aug 10, 2018 - 8:50am
I admire the later work of Ghandi but I oft wondered if it was not some type of search for perdition given his early years as an attorney in Africa. He was far from compassionate in his works there. 
FacePalm Added Aug 10, 2018 - 12:19pm
It may well have been.
When compiling my woefully inadequate collection of Gandhi quotes, i was surprised by two of them.
"Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Gandhi, he asked him, 'Mr. Gandhi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is it that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming His follower?'
Gandhi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ.'"
"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
-- Mahatma Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)
Source: An Autobiography, pg 446
From this last citation, it appears possible that "non-violent resistance" may not have been Gandhi's first choice.
Ward Tipton Added Aug 10, 2018 - 10:32pm
If you can find any reference to his work as an attorney in Africa, that is also quite revealing. 
Ward Tipton Added Aug 10, 2018 - 10:33pm
Mind you, I often get hated for pointing out that Mother Theresa felt that prayer was an adequate substitute for pain medication and decried people for their lack of faith if they complained of pain. 

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