SLAVISH EUROPE DOESN'T DESERVE BETTER !

Bildergebnis für trump loud mouth

 

So our most-loved foreign leader Donald I. Trump has declared that "who deals with Iran won't deal with us".

 

Ok.

 

So let's stop dealing with the US, right ? Why ? Because as I see it, the world still consists of independent, sovereign countries where not one single country can order others who to deal with, right ?

 

Pure arrogance, I say. The image of the ugly American reappears with full force, and apparently the majority of its citizens agree with such behavior ? Prove me wrong, please. I mean, what would the US say when for example China would show a similar behavior ? Or Germany ? US, don't deal with Saudi Arabia (allow me a LOL...;-), or we don't deal with you anymore, because you deal with a terrorism supporter (Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, As Shahab etc.).

 

See what I mean ? Or not ? If not, well, no sweat.

 

If we cowardish Europeans let ourselves be blackmailed by the US, we don't deserve better. After all, Europe is a market of 500 million people which can deal with Russia (150 million), China (1.5 billion) and Nigeria (200 million), so let's do that and let the US do what they want. They can concentrate on their continent.

 

Unless the US restarts to be an equal and fair partner on the world stage and not try to be the boss of the planet. But the US dismantling their occupation bases around the planet and giving up controlling each and every international organization and the currency market is wishful thinking.

 

Remember: No empire has ever lasted but has crumbled sooner or later. Maybe some should occupy themselves rather with history than tweeting around, munching McShit and watching Fox news.

 

And then have the idea that they know it all.

 

Therefore I advise us Europeans: Don't give a shit about sanctions (c) USA which will destroy OUR economy. If you do give in, you're happily digging your own grave.

Comments

rycK the JFK Democrat Added Aug 7, 2018 - 8:54am
"If we cowardish[sic] Europeans let ourselves be blackmailed by the US, we don't deserve better."
 
The first part of that sentence starts off with an obvious and verifiable conclusion but the rest is muddled. The EU is a parasitic organization based on high taxes and worse debt and bawling in public whenever one of their banks is about to go down.
 
The foolish and cowardish Europeans think they can survive by appeasing their enemies and taking in social trash, terrorists and others who cannot or will not assimilate into their narrow socialist societies. 
 
You do not like the sanctions... then do not try to sell to the US. And, we will not buy your crap.
 
Live with it. 
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 9:16am
Ryck
 
We have no enemies. We adopt the enemies of the US as ours until now...your sanctions concern YOU and your enemies, not US, get that ?
 
Which universal law gives you the right to command others ?
 
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 9:19am
BTW: The source of our refugee crisis is YOUR wars. We take your refugees in and you have the nerve to correct us ? Leaves me speechless, such bullshit.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 9:22am
BTW2: What has socialism to do with my article ? Can you read ?
Dino Manalis Added Aug 7, 2018 - 12:22pm
 The U.S. should work with allies; Russia; and China to effectively pressure Iran and force Rouhani to accept a meeting with Trump to improve relations.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 12:32pm
Dino
 
The deterioriated relations with Iran are US wanted agenda. If not they would sanction the Saudis for terrorism support instead - given the US is not secretly part of it ->NATO/US ring around Russia. Iran has a crucial geostrategic position.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 7, 2018 - 1:17pm
"who deals with Iran won't deal with us".
 
Doesn't Russia "deal with Iran"? The Puppet will make an exception for his president Putin, I'm sure.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 1:29pm
Yep. And the US also deals with Russia. The US deals with its enemies while treating US as enemies now....
Leroy Added Aug 7, 2018 - 1:31pm
My advice to Europe is to kick the US out, no NATO, no bases, no McDonalds or KFC.  The latter two would be the most difficult, I realize.  Maybe you could phase them out over time.  You would do all Americans a huge favor.  Europe is like the thirty-five-year-old living in his parents' basement.  Europe needs to be on its own.
 
Of course, I wouldn't be long before you were at each others' throats again.  Just don't expect the US to save your butts again.  
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 1:56pm
Leroy
 
The difference is that the people in Europe agree largely with you and me. But the political puppets and the economic network don't. And it's they who decide.....
 
Brussels and the EU are to be dissolved. They create frictions and fuck up the economy by their rules and debt policies (see Greece).
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 1:59pm
BTW:
 
Some US hegemonists would never give up Europe as a military outpost against Russia. THAT'S the real and only purpose of the US being here. Proxy wars, remember ?
Katharine Otto Added Aug 7, 2018 - 2:21pm
Stone-Eater,
Why do I agree with almost everything you say?  I would like for the EU to stand up to Trump, to trade with anyone they like.  Trump et al. (like Saudi Arabia) don't like Iran because it won't trade in petrodollars.  Russia and China are looking to trade in other than dollars, and more economic power to them.  
 
I'm afraid you are right.  The international bankers want everyone dependent on the US bottomless poof money pit, so the EU will probably cave to Trump's ultimatum.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 2:30pm
Katharine
 
Yep, and oh I forgot BRICS and the petrodollar. The reason why Gadhafi, Saddam and maybe others were killed or ousted. I still wonder why the US killed them. They had more than enough money to BUY their oil. I guess it's that drive for independence that was their fate...and the possibility that they switched political camps in favor of Russia, as large parts of Sub-Saharan Africa did in the Sixties. I have several Malian cousins who worked and studied in the USSR back then.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Aug 7, 2018 - 3:41pm
Stone-Eater
 
"Which universal law gives you the right to command others ?"
 
Same law that Obama and Lenin used. 
Katharine Otto Added Aug 7, 2018 - 3:45pm
Stone-Eater,
I'm no expert on the Middle East, but I have read that the first Iraq war was because Iraq switched from the petrodollar to the euro.  The US bombed infrastructure, like water and sewer systems, then demanded that it be re-built by American contractors.  
 
The CIA likes to create mayhem in smaller and weaker countries, so that the US can step in and take over under the guise of savior.  It didn't work in Castro's Cuba (haha), but it's working in Venezuela now.  It's the double-headed trap of seducing the government to over-extend in debt to foreign investors, then create crisis so that government can't pay its debts.  Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, John Perkins.
Ric Wells Added Aug 7, 2018 - 3:47pm
Stone the fact that the US has imposed sanctions against Iran in the wake of the violence taking place in the streets and the further threat of even more sanctions in November indicates the US is out to force a regime change even though Bolton has stated this is not the intent. In my opinion who is he kidding?
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Aug 7, 2018 - 3:48pm
Stone-Eater
 
"Therefore I advise us Europeans: Don't give a shit about sanctions (c) USA which will destroy OUR economy. If you do give in, you're happily digging your own grave."
 
Then go and be losers as you idiots did not start WW1, 2 and other problems. 
 
Most of the EU is cannon fodder for Islam and for the US only a sanitary landfill. 
 
You idiots have had 1000 years of solid wall-to-wall war and only wanted 'peace' when your huts were bombed to fine rubble and you needed the US to come and provide you pitiful ones with flea powder, penicillin and bread. 
 
"


What did WWII have to do with penicillin?






Trials of the drug on humans were so successful that great quantities of penicillin were used to treat infections suffered by wounded and ill soldiers during World War II (1939-1945). England was not able to manufacture penicillin in quantity because of its involvement in the war."--https://www.google.com/search?ei=LPdpW665Iaed0gLv4LLADQ&q=who+made+penicillin+during+ww2&oq=who+made+penicillin+during+ww&gs_l=psy-ab.1.0.33i22i29i30k1l2.29085.36986.0.40239.17.17.0.0.0.0.255.2045.0j9j2.11.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..6.10.1875...0i7i30k1j0i7i10i30k1j0i8i7i10i30k1j0i8i7i30k1j0i8i30k1j33i10k1j0i22i30k1.0.PodPfE65tpE



Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 4:09pm
Katharine
 
That's the first part of the strategy. If it doesn't work try regime change. If that doesn't work create a "physical threat" by mass media until the mob follows you. Then comes "Wollt ihr den TOTALEN KRIEG ?" "JAAAA !!!"
 
Goebbels is still standard in some circles...
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 4:11pm
Ric
 
Sure. This time it's even more obvious than ever. And that's frightening. They don't even give a shit anymore if people believe it or not. They just DO.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 4:16pm
Ryck
 
You're getting carried away with the wrong wave. Surfing's not for everybody.
 
Ever heard of being forced into a war by exterior forces ? Fuck up a region economically and wait for the animal to emerge....
 
But such stuff is probably too far out for you. Seems you like easy answers.
 
And thanks for the idiot. Manners seem as unknown to you as surfing.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Aug 7, 2018 - 4:40pm
Stone-Eater
 
"Ever heard of being forced into a war by exterior forces ? Fuck up a region economically and wait for the animal to emerge...."
 
Yes, sounds like China in 1839. No choice. Nice work by England. Sounds like most of Africa too  during 16th, 17th and 16th centuries. 
 
"But such stuff is probably too far out for you. Seems you like easy answers."
 
The easy answer and the easy way is to let socialism destroy our enemies and convert the quivering and quisling masses into capitalism for fun and profit. They do not have to be our enemies--they can be our cheap labor. 
 
But, in the Iranian case, currently, the probable event may be the revolution of the masses [sounds great! Does it not!] and the return of the Shah under a new name and with American help.
 
If you are patient, you can let your enemies destroy themselves and open an easy path to success, as the EU is doing with debt and shaky banks. 
 
When you deal with losers there are always several options. 
Stone-Eater Added Aug 7, 2018 - 5:07pm
I guess a loser is someone who has less weapons than the other. American help sounds cynical, though. You should know that.
 
A loser is one who fights his wars abroad and looks that his own country is spared. Or better that's a coward.
 
Again: This article does NOT deal with any -isms. Isms are opium for the people, as religions are.
opher goodwin Added Aug 7, 2018 - 6:27pm
Stone - bullying rarely works. It's just arrogance and swagger. Let's see what the response is. He needs chopping down to size - too big for his boots!
Ken Added Aug 7, 2018 - 6:53pm
Europe is barely keeping its socialist head above water now  If the cut off traid with the US, they will run out of  "Other people's money" and  fall into total chaos.  The fall of Europe in general as a whole will likely happen in the next 20 years because of all of the open borders policies they have.
 
Leroy, Sure we can take back our KFCs, but they can keep DisneyLand Paris.  we don't want it!
The Bug Added Aug 7, 2018 - 7:36pm
SEF,
Never seen soo many fake isolationist demand EU cant live without America when THEY closed all the gates that never existed USA'
Aha ha, throwing feces is their only game
Cheers,
~The Bug~
The Bug Added Aug 7, 2018 - 7:42pm
OP,
Fear the USA losers if WE cant turn this train wreck around OR at least apply better brakes until further notice.
NOT an ounce of economic reality among the lot posting here.
Sheesh, thought LinkedIn and Twitter had the worst BUT...……….sorry Autumn but not sorry because of MY stand against censorship. 
Must deal with hand I dealt along time ago, cheers!
~The Bug~
wsucram15 Added Aug 7, 2018 - 11:10pm
Wendy..George is gone and aside from him EABC is about the only one with finance experience.
Also as far as sanctions towards the economy in Iran..its been a problem with us for years. But we havent done anything heavy yet, I believe thats for the second round if no one meets demands? Definetly not on the oil yet and China will step in there.
The Bug Added Aug 7, 2018 - 11:48pm
Really think Putin,
second hand Luke was using Iran if he lost America to sway Oil price favor anyway.
Exxon is still working/needed for that Putin line no matter what bells are ringing "dinner time"
wsucram15 Added Aug 8, 2018 - 12:39am
Yes but China and Russia are together on this...all the way and have been for some time.  I understand those sanctions are killing Russia, but the oligarchs are funding the country short term out of money they stole anyway. How can they lose?   We actually need those sanctions in place on the Exxon deal the way I understand it.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 3:43am
Ken
 
No comment. Apparently you're in the same camp throwing useless -isms around.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 3:43am
Oph
 
Pearls before swine :)
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 3:44am
Buggie
 
Really. Overestimation. I bet these clowns have never been here LOL
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 3:48am
Jeanne
 
These sanctions are US business. What I can't accept is when the US forces us into their sinking ship. No homeworks at home in the US ? Would be better than meddling around everywhere else. We're no eager to fight US wars where WE would lose.
opher goodwin Added Aug 8, 2018 - 5:36am
Stone - hopefully the EU will show some balls and stand up to this bullying. Fuck Trump. 
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 5:49am
Oph
 
I doubt it. German politicians like that slut Ursula von der Leyen (a woman as defense minister who has never been in the army!) are either bribed by the extended arm of the MIC or are simply afraid to stand up. And the media keeps on bashing Russia. They drive us into WWIII. The same media and weapons club as in the US.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 5:50am
BTW: Trump is a simple figurehead Twittertainer for that group.
David Montaigne Added Aug 8, 2018 - 7:01am
What does Europe gain trading with the United States?  A strong ally that shares much common cultural heritage and has twice intervened to "save Western Europe" in world wars [albeit for America's own gains as well.]  What does Europe gain by trade with Iran?  They empower the government that funds most Islamic terrorism, encourage war in Syria and a flow of refugees into their own nations, even though Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations take in zero such refugees.  "Europeans think they can survive by appeasing their enemies and taking in social trash, terrorists and others who cannot or will not assimilate into their narrow socialist societies."
Traitorous European "leadership" is currently allowing collective national suicide through mass immigration that will break their welfare systems financially and destroy their cultures socially.  But let's ignore the elephant in the room and join in on hating Trump and America...  Hello, Eurabia!
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 7:27am
David
 
Where do you live ? The US is as much an ally for us as Saudi Arabia is an ally for them. Blather, hypocrisy, bullshit.
 
Stop talking religion, -isms and political systems. It's the economy, stupid. Each for his own interest.
 
I fucking said already that our immigration problem us the result of YOUR wars, hirni.
 
Ah this is sooo tiring. People don't dig shit.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 7:32am
BTW: Not the problem of the US with whom we trade. What's the advantage of dealing with Iran ? For example the extension to the Russian and Chinese market. And THESE countries do not try to blackmail us like Dumpie. Or force us to sanction others against our interest.
 
We don't need a master. Do you understand that ??
FacePalm Added Aug 8, 2018 - 10:04am
Ok, StoneEater, the first thing is the word "bildergebnis."  NO clue.  Went looking for a German-English dictionary, and it apparently has a lot of different meanings.  Nearest i can figure is that it means something like "drawing the picture" for Trump.
 
It appears that Trump wants serious sanctions on Iran to compel the to the bargaining table, and is willing to risk trade with Europe to come to a halt in order to get it.
 
Sounds to me like he's saying "Iran is an enemy; engage in trade with our enemy, and YOU are our enemy, so we won't trade with you."
 
Crude, brash, and dictatorial, but consider the economic consequences if there's no trading between the EU and the US; do you know, offhand, the figures for exports from the EU to the US as compared to imports from the US?  i suspect that the EU exports far more to the US than the reverse, otherwise he'd have no stick to wield.  It's also entirely possible that if a deal can be worked out with Iran, that all such threats and orders would disappear as quickly as they were made.  i think that Trump is attempting to isolate Iran and coerce/browbeat/threaten them into agreeing to at least a sit-down.  i don't like it; i agree with you that it's the stance of a bully.  However, it is what it is.
 
If a conference with Iran can produce beneficial results for the world itself - including peace - that would be a Good Thing, wouldn't it?
 
But i agree; should the EU combine it's forces with China and Russia, India, Brazil, and S. Africa, the situation could reverse swiftly and the US become isolated, thereby forcing Trump to come to the bargaining table, instead.  i don't know what cards Trump has in his pocket, but whatever he has, it certainly seems to have impressed Junker, who's not a man who's easily intimidated.
 
Personally, i remember agreeing very much with Ron Paul, who wanted to close EVERY overseas base the US maintains - something like 300 of 'em, world-wide - and bring the troops home, thus saving the country billions upon billions - possibly TRILLIONS, of bux.  But as you noted, the MIC may well be too far entrenched at this point to do that, at least not now; there's also a possibility - however remote - that the EU "leadership," such as it is, will suddenly grow a backbone and say "Pull your damn military of our countries, we don't need 'em anymore" which would be a net benefit for us both, AND Trump could say to the MIC, "Hey, i tried, but they wouldn't cooperate" and so stave off the revolt.  Frankly, the machinations and calculations are just too much for my feeble mind.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 10:18am
Palm
 
Good comment thanks :) I agree. You see, the US elite doesn't care about the Iranian people. Otherwise they would first help the Yemenitis against the Saud criminals, the Palestinians against Israel or the Kurds against Turkey.
 
This is geopolitics and directed at the Russians, nothing else. It's not complicated.
 
Russia is the final enemy of the US for no reason than to sell weapons to proxies using that fake enemy called communism.
 
Hilarious in 2018 !
 
Russia is BIG and has HUGE resources the US want. End of story :))
FacePalm Added Aug 8, 2018 - 10:30am
i think that China is the greater threat, and by far.  Didn't know you were European(or German, maybe), but one of the US Senators in charge of the Russia investigation?  It was just discovered that she had a Chinese agent WORKING for her for more than TWENTY YEARS!  This is a woman who had access to many secrets, many of which were swiftly delivered to Beijing.  She's a craven leftist intent on seizing as many firearms from Americans as possible, and is therefore frustrated as hell with Trump.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 10:34am
LOL
 
Well, at least China doesn't attack countries using military but creeps in through the economic backdoor ;)
 
....you're close. I'm a German speaking Swiss :)
Dave Dubya Added Aug 8, 2018 - 10:38am
It was also just discovered there is a Russian agent in the White House. Lies about contacts with Russians, sharing secrets in the Oval Office, and finally the Helsinki capitulation confirmed it. 
 
(There are NO "leftist senators in charge of the Russia investigation". This is another "strategic LIE" the far Right has embraces in our post-truth era.)
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 11:14am
Dave
 
Jelzin came close to be a US agent since he started to sell Russia to US companies and ex-Russian oligarchs immigrated to Europe.
 
And I bet my head that right now there are Western spies in Putin's environment.
opher goodwin Added Aug 8, 2018 - 11:24am
David - then why can't America explain its case to its allies and bring them on board? If the case is so compelling that should surely be easy? Why did it choose to go alone and try to bully its allies into dropping into line like little lap-dogs?
It is fucking arrogant and sheer bullying. As far as I'm concerned they can fuck off.
opher goodwin Added Aug 8, 2018 - 11:26am
FacePalm - I would agree. China is playing a long game. They are economically wheedling their way in all round the world. I saw first-hand evidence everywhere I've been all over the world - South America, Africa, Indonesia, you name it. They are using economic tactics and setting up a strong empire.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 8, 2018 - 11:28am
OG,
America has an authoritarian government, far to the Right of most citizens. They government has been bought by Wall Street and Corporate influence.  It aint a democracy. It aint even a democratic republic. Only the loudest and most powerful (economic elites) are represented.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 11:37am
Dave
 
Yep. The US is a corporatocracy. A complete economic dictatorship.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 11:39am
Oph
 
The US doesn't need to explain anything to anybody. The bully in class usually doesn't. If he would, he wouldn't be the bully anymore.
opher goodwin Added Aug 8, 2018 - 12:16pm
Dave - yep! It has become tyrannical and thinks it can throw its weight around with friend and foe with impunity.
It needs bringing in line. If it wants allies it has to start working with them instead of pushing them around.
It soon comes bleating every time it starts a new mess - like with Afghanistan or Iraq. 
opher goodwin Added Aug 8, 2018 - 12:16pm
Stone - bullies need putting in their place. They get their comeuppance. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Aug 8, 2018 - 12:36pm
Opher
 
"Stone - bullies need putting in their place. They get their comeuppance. "
 
Bullies like who?
 
Maduro?  Supreme Leader Ruhollah Khomeini ? Putin? Cyril Ramaphosa? May? Ortega?
 
What, why or when is the comeuppance for Maduro? And who delivers the force? Or is this just nonsense?
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 12:44pm
Ryck
 
A bully is the one who starts the fight. Your examples may not be the greatest humanists, but to my knowledge they restrict their bullying largely to their own country, not abroad.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Aug 8, 2018 - 1:08pm
Stone-Eater
 
"A bully is the one who starts the fight. Your examples may not be the greatest humanists, but to my knowledge they restrict their bullying largely to their own country, not abroad."
 
Ruhollah Khomeini was not a bully when he sent his small boats to harass our ships in the Strait of Hormuz?
 
Maduro was not a bully when he blamed his neighbors for interfering with his government? --
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia%E2%80%93Venezuela_relations
 
 
Putin was  not a bully when he forced the annexation of part of the Ukraine?
 
The limiting of the definition of bullying to the internal confines of a given state seems to allow many to escape realities and seek political support by introspection thus minimizing negative comments on others.
 
We then might wonder that Hamas is a group of bullies as they constantly attack Israel with rockets and  mortars, in places outside of their own turf?
 
Was the Jackal a bully? Was the leader of Greenpeace a bully when he attacked Icelandic fishing boats? Was FDR a bully? He used the bully-pulpit?
 
Another word is necessary as this bully thing is too narrowly defined and practical and political terms. 
FacePalm Added Aug 8, 2018 - 1:49pm
There are NO "leftist senators in charge of the Russia investigation". This is another "strategic LIE" the far Right has embraces in our post-truth era
http://dailycaller.com/2018/08/06/feinstein-chinese-spy/
It's been ALL OVER the news for the last day or so; you're SO EASY to refute!  If you have a problem with the daily caller, "feinstein chinese spy" will turn up an enormous number of confirmatory sites.
opher goodwin Added Aug 8, 2018 - 2:38pm
All of them rycK - but Trump in particular. This bullying, hectoring is disgusting. Can't you see it?
opher goodwin Added Aug 8, 2018 - 2:42pm
rycK - they were picking fights with their enemy - not bullying their allies!!
Trump does not make decisions for the UK or any other country apart from the unfortunate States. He can fuck off if he thinks he can push us around.
When a bunch of people make an agreement and then one of them changes his mind and starts shouting at the others to do as he says or he'll screw them he needs a kick in the balls.
So much for being an ally! Doesn't count for anything these days!
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 2:56pm
Ryck
 
The Strait of Hormuz is not the frontyard of the US rather of Iran. Would you like Iranian war ships cruising off L.A. ?
 
Don't tell me that's not comparable....
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 2:57pm
Oph
 
Right on.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 8, 2018 - 3:23pm
OG,
So much for being an ally! Doesn't count for anything these days! Putin's Puppet has made it clear who his ally really is. Cultists are wearing T-shirts that say,"I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat".
 
Real patriots, aren't they?
 
FP did it again. I offer a fact and he deflects, just like all authoritarians do:
 
Fact: There are NO "leftist senators in charge of the Russia investigation". This is another "strategic LIE" the far Right embraces in our post-truth era "
 
Response: Babble babble, "Chinese" babble babble.
 
Anything to distract, deny and deflect for the MAGAt Russian agent known forever as Putin's Puppet.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Aug 8, 2018 - 3:27pm
Opher
 
"rycK - they were picking fights with their enemy - not bullying their allies!!

"Trump does not make decisions for the UK or any other country apart from the unfortunate States. He can fuck off if he thinks he can push us around."
 
May will put you down or let Corbyn get in. Two ways to lose on your own 
 

"When a bunch of people make an agreement and then one of them changes his mind and starts shouting at the others to do as he says or he'll screw them he needs a kick in the balls.
So much for being an ally! Doesn't count for anything these days!"
 
Like when the Brits bailed out in Korea when the first Chinese soldier was seen?? Woe! The Brits could lose Hong Kong!
So, you broke NATO agreements and ran like cowards. 
 
 
We should have let the Germans fix  your system up.   The UK is still a basket-case since 1781. You cost us too much. 
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Aug 8, 2018 - 3:40pm
BTW Buggie
 
The first link is voice of America the 2nd a Polish site. The Poles are known to kiss anybodys ass who's against Russia :))
Dave Dubya Added Aug 8, 2018 - 4:38pm
ryck if full of bullshit, as usual. Cons don't need no stinkin facts. They have All the Answers.
 
We should have let the Germans fix  your system up. You cost us too much (More hate from the far Right, blaming Brits for what the Nazis started.)
 
Like when the Brits bailed out in Korea when the first Chinese soldier was seen? (More ignorance from the far Right.)
 
BBC:
600 soldiers of the British Army took on a force of 30,000 Chinese troops crossing the Imjin River in Korea.
Reporting to his American superior, Brigadier Tom Brodie of the Gloucestershire Regiment admitted the situation was "a bit sticky".
Such classic British understatement failed to secure the "Glorious Glosters" reinforcements or permission to fall back.
At the end of the battle 10,000 Chinese troops had fallen. British losses stood at just 59, but only 39 of the survivors evaded capture.
Two Victoria Crosses, Britain's highest military honour, were awarded for the action. But despite such heroism, Britain's role in the conflict has largely been forgotten by the public.
 
The UK is still a basket-case since 1781 Yet the UK has both higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality rates than the US.
FacePalm Added Aug 8, 2018 - 5:23pm
Dubya-
Once upon a time, there was a comedian named Louie Anderson - big guy, enormous - he was telling a story of his childhood, when he was picking on his little brother, repeatedly calling him "stupid," until his little brother finally yelled out, "MOM!  Louie's calling me Stupid!"  Louie's mom replied, "LOUIE!  YOU APOLOGIZE TO YOUR BROTHER RIGHT NOW!"
Sheepishly, Louie turned to his brother and said - "I'm sorry you're stupid."
opher goodwin Added Aug 8, 2018 - 7:10pm
rycK - I worked with a British soldier who served in Korea. He was a big man. He was shot and his friend carried him ten miles back to their lines. He said if they were caught they were tied up with barbed wire and hung out in no-man's land to scream as a demoralising tactic.
Brits don't run or bail out even when the yanks start trouble and create unnecessary wars.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 8, 2018 - 8:30pm
FP,
Cute story. 
 
Boy, I sure do feel stupid now.
 
Thanks for your demonstration of authoritarian rules and tactics when cornered by facts. Deflect and distract. Always does the trick when a "tactical lie" isn't handy, amirite?
wsucram15 Added Aug 8, 2018 - 11:24pm
SEF..I dont think you understand, the US already lost. Think about it.
EXPAT Added Aug 9, 2018 - 1:02am
It is hard to believe this screed of delusion, still exists among supposed educated people.
1. Trump told the EU that he would no longer tolerate their financing of terrorism sponsored by Iran!
2. He is determined to bring peace in his time!
"I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace than risk peace in pursuit of politics,"
3. The Europeans built their empires on the conquest of Asia and Africa!
4. Then they broke up these conquered lands into small, manageable states, without regard to ethnicity, tribal alliances, religion, or cultures.
5. The world has been at war ever since.
6. It fell to the United States, to fight the cold war with Soviet Conquest, bent on taking over the old European empires.
7. Switzerland  banking has been sucking the lifes blood out of Africa, ever since.
8. I agree, it is time for Europe to stand up for Human Rights, but they prefer the billions from the murderers of innocents.
9. Trump is calling them to task. Either join us in demanding good behavior from the worlds miscreants, or we don't want to do business with you anymore.
10. The USA has everything they need to be self sustainable, now that the environmentalists are under control. They can win any trade war, and that allows them to demand an end to war and Human Rights offenders.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 9, 2018 - 3:47am
Expat
 
No. 9 is ok for us. Better cut the ties than being forced into a new war with NATO...the mistakes we made in past centuries are now repeated by the US - world hegemony. They didn't learn from history.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 9, 2018 - 4:12am
BTW: Point 1 produces a big ????
Stone-Eater Added Aug 9, 2018 - 4:24am
Not the EU sponsors IS but Saudi as US ally....there's the wrong. Iran sponsors other areas but as with Russia, Iran is merely reacting. Does anybody really think that Iranians have forgotten Mossadegh 1953 ? How naive...
Stone-Eater Added Aug 9, 2018 - 4:25am
Sanctions are a preparation for forced regime change. The US even admits that !
EXPAT Added Aug 9, 2018 - 4:49am
Stone.
No. 9 is ok for us. Better cut the ties than being forced into a new war with NATO...the mistakes we made in past centuries are now repeated by the US - world hegemony. They didn't learn from history
 
I assume you meant a new war as part of NATO. The idea of NATO is to be strong enough to PREVENT WAR. The goal of the Iranian Mullahs is to unite the ME against infidels. The same dream Nasser had. Call it a Caliphate if you like.  But a divided NATO only invites Mischief. So Trump stands strong! Against EU if need be. Trump truly is a man of the people.
 
As to #1 EU trade with Iran provides them with hard cash, to wage incursions against their neighbors. EU banks/Swiss Banks provide them with access to world financial institutions to allow them to buy/ship arms to Hesbullah, and Yemen.
But in spite of EU support, the Mullahs regime is ready to collapse, as it was in 2008 when Obama refused to back the people to get a Nuclear deal.
FacePalm Added Aug 9, 2018 - 5:21am
Dubya:
"amirite?"
Of course not; you repeatedly make easily-demonstrable false claims, then when called out on it and proven to be in error, resort to yet more accusations and invective instead of acknowledging the truth.
You're dishonest.  A hater.  You're everything you falsely claim to despise.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
EXPAT-
Interesting list.
For the first, i refer you to Leon Uris, who wrote "War is the terrorism of the rich; terrorism is the war of the poor."  By that standard alone, the deep state US sappers have engaged in terrorism-by-war that makes what Iran has done Lilliputian in comparison.  That said, if Trump succeeds in his negotiations with Iran and DOES bring about peace, that will be a Good Thing.  However.
 
i'm reminded of a story about a young man who came into King Arthur's court, desiring to be made a knight.  King Arthur said, "Thank you for your offer, son, but my Kingdom is at peace, and we have no need for any additional knights at this time."  But the young man was headstrong and insistent, so the king relented and made him a knight.
The young man went away, rejoicing.
Six months later he returned and begged an audience of the king; when he was received, he knelt before King Arthur and said, "Sire, i am happy to inform you that i have slain NINETEEN of your enemies!" 
King Arthur replied, "But - i HAVE no enemies!"
The young man answered, "You do NOW, sire."
 
Told you that to tell you this.  Unless Trump DOES manage to drain the deep state of the NWO/OWG operatives who deliberately stoke wars everywhere, they will simply continue "business as usual."  If he REALLY wants to strike at their heart, he'll FIRST dismantle the opium fields and the revenue the CIA and other intelligence agencies reap from poison-peddling world-wide...then seek out all their OTHER revenue streams and cut them off at the knees, too - mostly drugs of various kinds.
 
This world stands NO chance at peace as long as "agents provocateur" remain ready, willing, and able to serve the satanist pedophiles of the NWO/OWG.
Stone-Eater Added Aug 9, 2018 - 6:46am
Expat
 
We can keep up adding up US support for terrorists to EU support, but
 
a) the EU does what the US wants, no denying possible
 
b) EU financing, so it exists, is peanuts compared to 150 billion of weapons for Saudi monkeys. Not counting the billions for poor Israel ;)
Stone-Eater Added Aug 9, 2018 - 6:48am
Palm
 
Good one. Create enemies in order to feed the arms monster.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 9, 2018 - 8:04am
FP,
Still no facts. You poor frightened man! All emotional now. 
 
I welcome you hatred. I means I am correct and you are in a cult.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 9, 2018 - 8:22am
FP,
Your delusions are revealing your disordered mental state:  the satanist pedophiles of the NWO/OWG.
 
Watch out for those black helicopters! And Hillary's pedophile pizza parlor!!
 
Trump Derangement Syndrome: "Strategic Lies" vs. Satanist Pedophiles!
 
Oh, my.
 
Now you'll get mad at me for recognizing the lunacy. That would be very paranoid. Very ignorant. Very hateful. Very brainwashed.
 
I have long stopped having any sympathy for cultists, racists, liars and other authoritarian personalities. 
 
This is why I have assembled: 
"Authoritarian Tactics and Rules of Discourse":
 http://writerbeat.com/articles/23705-Authoritarian-Tactics-And-Rules-Of-Discourse
 
"By their fruits ye shall know them".
FacePalm Added Aug 9, 2018 - 10:04am
Stone Eater-
Very concise. Nice.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Aug 9, 2018 - 10:31am
EXPAT
 
"I assume you meant a new war as part of NATO. The idea of NATO is to be strong enough to PREVENT WAR. The goal of the Iranian Mullahs is to unite the ME against infidels. The same dream Nasser had. Call it a Caliphate if you like.  But a divided NATO only invites Mischief. So Trump stands strong! Against EU if need be. Trump truly is a man of the people."
 
NATO is weakened and still holds together by the weakest glue. The EU cannot compete with the US and must make deals with their enemies [Putin and the gas deal] to survive.
 
Trump is correct when pretends he has faith in the NATO cluster of losers, particularly Turkey. They have some credibility left and he can play with the remnants. This can vanish if the EU goes bankrupt with the new threat: Italy. 
 
Then, for the first time in 100 years let them sink. No loss as they are losers anyway. 
 
MAGA
Stone-Eater Added Aug 9, 2018 - 11:09am
ryck
 
Good to have a US expert on Europe here. Hm....who is kissing Putin ass again? Ah right your Pretzident. 
 
Maybe he figures that there's business ?Morals can't be expected from the Christian leaders of gods own country. Why not do your headchopping Saudi friends a favor and introduce Shariah ☆?
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 9, 2018 - 3:26pm
Stone,
Really?
Thought Expat meant he left America/works abroad, Just my business definition anyway,
BTW,
Everybody deserves better World and so EU must be included eh?
Bill H. Added Aug 9, 2018 - 3:30pm
SEF - Most US citizens are embarrassed by Trump and have nothing but love and appreciation for our allies in Europe and the rest of the world.
What you are seeing out here quite a bit is the Trump-worshipping minions who essentially parrot everything Trump says, even when Trump changes his mind 180 degrees, they will change with him and keep yelling MAGA!
 
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 9, 2018 - 3:52pm
Bill H.
MAGAT even, cheers!
~The Bug~
opher goodwin Added Aug 9, 2018 - 3:54pm
Bill - I'm glad to hear. We're embarrassed for you.
Ric Wells Added Aug 9, 2018 - 4:11pm
Ok gang. Just announced this morning. The advent of the 6th division of the military. Say hello to the. DRUM ROLL.
WAIT FOR IT. 
The US SPACE FORCE. Set to be in place by 2020. HMMM isn't that the next presidential election. Why I think it is. Coincidence? Of course it is. Can't stop violence in the streets so let's police outer space against Marvin the Martian.
Bill H. Added Aug 9, 2018 - 5:07pm
Wendy -
Welcome back. Been a while!
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Aug 9, 2018 - 5:43pm
Ric Wells
 
"Can't stop violence in the streets so let's police outer space against Marvin the Martian."
 
Do you really want to stop  violence in the streets ??
 
Streets in Chicago, Baltimore, Philly, Atlanta, Detroit??
 
Those are Democratic strongholds and they like the crime. 
 
The violence will continue in toilets like those. 
 
Dems love it .
Stone-Eater Added Aug 10, 2018 - 2:41am
WTF is MAGA ? Lady Gaga in male ?
Stone-Eater Added Aug 10, 2018 - 2:42am
syck
 
Who is for more guns on the street ? This time you shot your knee, pal.
FacePalm Added Aug 10, 2018 - 6:46am
Dubya-
i don't waste my time hating the determinedly, obstinately, defiantly ignorant who refuse to seek out the truth, but repeatedly resort to childish tactics like taunting and name-calling.  What, are you SEVEN?
 
The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference.   i'm quite indifferent to your plight, now, and you'll simply continue on the path you've chosen until you realize it ain't workin' for ya, or you're stopped -- dead, if necessary.
 
That's one thing i realized in this life, eventually; everyone defines "success" differently, and once they've found a pattern which brings them what they want - even if what they want is extremely bad for them, like a heroin habit - they'll simply repeat their pattern until it no longer fulfills their desires.  Then, and ONLY then, will they re-evaluate and MAYBE change their approaches to life.   Only humility will do that, though, and few have the strength of character to VOLUNTARILY humble themselves, ergo it must needs be that they are humbled.  Your time is coming, as it has for us all.
 
Now you can't say i didn't warn ya.

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