Shall We Become a Pitchfork Nation?

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Followers of my blog know that I’m a fan of Rebecca Hargreaves, alias Blonde in the Belly of the Beast. Apart from her brief video seminars she also joins up with Matt Christiansen for a weekly podcast called The Beauty and The Beta (all on YouTube).

My positions are more often with Matt than with Rebecca. He has a measured approach to everything and does not allow any double standards. People like him are the guarantee that the right does not become as batshit crazy as the left. Rebecca on the other hand pulls no punches and goes for the jugular, Ann Coulter style. A breeze of fresh air.

One moral question arises again and again: Should the right engage in the same tactics like the left? I also had this problem with my blog. I set out with rules for my site to ensure that it is squeaky clean. There is no way to verify who I am at the moment so the trust of my readers is solely based on due diligence. If I lied shamelessly like the mainstream media, nobody would bother to read. Not only do I have to be at least as credible as them, I need to have higher standards because I don’t have a brand behind me to lend me trust. Example: With few exceptions I refrain from calling people anything that they would feel uncomfortable with. I do not use “left-wing extremist”, “do-gooders” and so on.

But that has a price. The other side will not understand that they are aggressive unless they become victims of their own tactics. It’s human nature. If everybody were as squeaky clean as my blog, Angela Merkel would never feel the pitchfork in her back. Nice people don’t shout at her “Nazi! Nazi!” and warn of a potential mass murder if she were not “fought” with all “courage” that we can muster. I don’t necessarily want her to feel that pitchfork in her back, but unless somebody makes her suffer, and I really mean suffer, she will not realize that she was leading a pitchfork mob herself for many years.

ZEIT has some silly article about how our country were proto-fascist and I use it as an example of how I cannot keep up with the left-wing depravity. The thesis is that we face the advent of a new fascism because we were seeing already the “destruction of moral standards, liberal/libertarian/pro-freedom achievements and disrespect for moral attitudes and policies which are friendly to human beings.” I have a hard time to pour buckets of glib over my own policy wishes although I also believe that they are “friendly to human beings.”

While such phrases are not outright lies, they smack of dishonesty. I have interests. Tobias Haberkorn, the author of the ZEIT article, also furthers his own interests.

Then there is the vaguely phrased attack. Of course, he does not say that the left is destroying moral standards. He accuses the right. This is not elaborated. What libertarian/liberal/pro-freedom achievement does the right try to destroy? He just leaves it dangling. His readers are conditioned to never ask questions anyway.

And I ask myself as somebody who is not a pacifist: Why would I consider killing another person, but have so much scruple about lying? And I think this is rooted in religion. If you have a connection with the Bible, and with history as such, you will find that many scholars at all times judged that all evil comes from deception. You cannot help but kill somebody who attacks you, but you can make sure that there is as much clarity as possible to reduce the risk of killing an innocent person. Many people who have looked over the course of history came to this conclusion and for religious people, and some others, the world did not start with them. People had wisdom that precedes us. So I won’t go down the dishonesty lane “to give false testimony against my neighbour.”

He then complains about the fact that the fascism accusation loses its power. He does not ask why that is and how to change that again. There is no realization that false accusations have destroyed the meaning of the word. He only sees an “over-sensitivity.” And while the fascism claim is ubiquitous, he says that the right just needed to moan, “they are wielding the Nazi club against us” and the accusations would fail. That is not true, of course. Cars burn, windows get smashed, people who plaster posters get shot and so on because left-wingers actually believe that all these claims were honest and not exaggerated.

I could not employ the same tactic because I will not stand on the graves of those who died under fascism and dishonor them. I just cannot. Even if I had no soul – like leftists – and did not care, it would not work because conservatives are not a rabid mob. They fact-check and have often been falsely accused themselves. Nobody will burn down Angela Merkel’s car only because I call her a Nazi and claim that she is dangerous.

Another problem is that people really forget history when the Holocaust and fascism are trivialized. In Germany the attack goes mostly one way. The left accuses the right of being fascist. When right-wingers try to fight back they preface the word “fascist” with the German word for “left” to make sure that history is not trivialized (German: Linksfaschismus, i.e. left-fascism). In America these precautions have gone completely and we see some wild mud-slinging with no person involved who knows a thing or two about Mussolini, the fascist manifesto, Hitler’s brand and whether or not any of it is distinct enough to place it outside the epoch. Fascism has been downgraded to “bad” and to “I don’t like you.”

Rebecca Hargreaves sees this problem and is torn. On the one hand, she feels that the danger of losing the culture war is so big that ignoring any weapons could risk failure. On the other hand, the “fascism” mud-slinging shows that many left-wingers don’t even understand their aggression when they do get their own medicine served. The step to make them grasp it would be to use violence, antifa-style, and even that could produce idiots who cannot see that their side is causing this response. It would be a downward spiral.

I believe that one has to go down into the mudpit – a bit. Some people wake up when they have it coming. I believe in a measured approach. You use the same tactics, but you make sure that you use them more mildly. You must also react timely so that the original attack and your response are understood as connected. Fairness is an innate trait. Our ancestors divvied out their foods fairly or they would have died once hunting luck and the collection of berries, salads and fruits had not produced enough for one part of the group or another. As a consequence people today react to double-standards when they are pointed out. Donald Trump won because Twitter users made sure to clarify that Hillary Clinton had lower moral standards than him.

P.S. This covers only a small portion of the mentioned ZEIT article. The transgressions go on. Interior Minister Horst Seehofer is called “latently despotic” and “autocratic” for cancelling an appointment for a stupid “Integration Conference.” A participant of said conference likened him to Hitler. The very basic vocabulary to protect our freedom is eroded and again there is no way to fight back. The leftist depravity goes on and on and on.

Comments

Dino Manalis Added Aug 7, 2018 - 5:04pm
 We should be civilized and moral.  Intelligent people can express themselves well without using gutter language.  We're human beings and have to separate ourselves from animals!
Lindsay Wheeler Added Aug 7, 2018 - 8:37pm
It bewilders me that every body uses the word "fascist" yet they don't use the word "Commie". The Communists came first and suppressed speech---the Fascists were second. But then again, there has never been Free Speech, with the coining of Dynamic Silence, the Left has never believed in it anyway. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Aug 7, 2018 - 8:41pm
"...become a Pitchfork nation"?  Nah---just bury her. 
Maureen Foster Added Aug 7, 2018 - 8:48pm
What libertarian/liberal/pro-freedom achievement does the right try to destroy?
 
There are many examples, how about free trade.  There is also the right to choose to have an abortion.  Don’t forget about entitlement reform and government spending, not too many on the right care about that either.
Flying Junior Added Aug 8, 2018 - 2:17am
Are you fucking kidding?  You consider Merkel to be a Nazi?
 
Something must be lost in the translation.
 
How many crazy fucks like you are there in Germany?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Aug 8, 2018 - 5:37am
"ZEIT has some silly target="_blank">article about how our country were proto-fascist and I use it as an example of how I cannot keep up with the left-wing depravity" (Goldstein).
 
"The left accuses the right of being fascist. When right-wingers try to fight back they preface the word “fascist” with the German word for “left” to make sure that history is not trivialized (German: Linksfaschismus, i.e. left-fascism)" (Goldstein).
Which Utopian philosopher wrote a treatise in defense of the pleasure derived from pain? An artful article can be written in support of Satan and have the Christian responders so beguiled that they offer support. This article is in support of the right against the not nice left.
 
"Interior Minister Horst Seehofer is called “latently despotic” and “autocratic” for cancelling an appointment for a stupid “Integration Conference.” "
 
What is your position on integration? Who defined it as being stupid?
 
Though there are some loaded key terms that articulate a certain position and the piece advances tolerance to uphold freedom of speech, it muddles the author's position of soft disdain for the left.
 
"The other side will not understand that they are aggressive unless they become victims of their own tactics" (Goldstein).
 
Still, Germany has a history of atrocity that it learned from The United States' action against Blacks, and it informs us about the vengeance of the victims of the 1940s holocausts.  How does above quoth applies to the current dispute between Jews and the Palestinians? 
 
 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Aug 8, 2018 - 7:26am
Ben G., "new fascism because we were seeing already the “destruction of moral standards, liberal/libertarian/pro-freedom achievements and disrespect for moral attitudes and policies which are friendly to human beings.” "  It seem that people want to define something only by the words.  And both right and the left do that.  I understand that that the law and God define things by actions.  So I look at the actions of who is tagged fascist and find the mirror is actually showing themselves.  Antifa is closer to fascism then the supporters of Trump.  The actions known to be done by the Brown shirts of Hitler etc,.  In fact to only use actions I find Fascism is just another branch of Socialism.   Fascist and Communist in post WWI Germany were not fighting about the form of government they wanted and imposed but only which people would be in charge.  And they believe there can only be one.  So you kill and destroy all others.  Which they did in the nations they lead.
 
Antifa is tied to the Democratic Party in America because of some of their funding sources and because they local government favor them by their actions.  As it happens the leading local officials are Democrats.   I look back in the history of the Democrats and I find the KKK which was just as violent as Antifa.  And the creation of the Confederacy,  The politicization of the bench.  And the words that are followed by actions of their leaders.  The Democratic Party in America is following the tactics and principles presented by the Fabian Socialist.
 
The Right on the other hand are corrupt capitalist.  Which means they want themselves to practice capitalism but not allow anyone else to practice capitalism.  Capitalism is a tag for a free market, but they want to skew that markets and carve out territory that they have an advantage.  I do not see the violence of the socialist used to get their way.  They use some of the same tactics as the Fabians and seem to justify working with them.  
 
I have use America as my example because I know the players names.  I do see the same methods and tactics in Europe so I am sure the same players are their.  
Benjamin Goldstein Added Aug 8, 2018 - 12:27pm
Wheeler: I don't like the false socialism/communism claims either. I live in a country that had a socialist regime until 1990. So I'm a bit weary when the words are used to loosely.
 
The actual problem is that the Nazis are the only moral compass left that we can all agree on. Hitler replaces Jesus and the tenets of a democratic republic. What is right or wrong is determined by -often loopy- associations with the Third Reich.
 
Foster: Thank you. Good point. I mean there are things that some on the rights want to restrict. But I have my doubts that the hysteria is really about abortion. All the Trump administration did was cutting government funds for Planned Parenthood. I bet they find other donors. German conservatives don't even ask for any legal changes in that matter. I have a problem with them putting out these vague accusations and leave everybody guessing what threat might come from their political opponents.
 
FJ: Please, read again.
 
Dr. Green: Unfortunately, your comment is so poorly worded that I cannot decipher it. Please, try to clarify it.
Still, Germany has a history of atrocity that it learned from The United States' action against Blacks
That is nonsense. See my response to Mr Wheeler.
 
Sutrina: Yes, I agree. A movement is defined by its actions. Antifa has some resemblance to the brown shirts, but I think it would be cleaner to just say "like the brownshirts" and not to call them "fascists."
 
Antifa is a German terror organisation that only recently made it to the US. It is an open secret that Angela Merkel's "Family Ministry" is financing them through a number of proxy "foundations" and "projects" like the Amadeu Antonio Stiftung. Without funding they would implode.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-WWII_anti-fascism
Dusty Koellhoffer Added Aug 8, 2018 - 1:59pm
You certainly have America political lies down pat.  Recognizing that the left calling the right "fascist" just because they don't like them is part of the Big Lie of fascism.  The ignorance of the average American who knows nothing of Hitler is demonstrated in how they apply the term Nazism as being the far right when the far right is where Christianity resides.  Using the tactics of the left does not mean making up lies like they do.  There is no reason to dupe people about who you are as the left must.  But being willing to fight fire with fire means bringing the argument to them, revealing the truth they conceal and distort, and tagging them with the hate labels with which they try to slander the right.  They will cry, they will threaten, they will throw tantrums, sticks, and stones, but we must never bow to their demands of "civility" when they behave like rabid animals.  Political correctness and admonishments to "be nice" are just their means of censorship.  The righteous tactics to use are not lies, but exaggerations are acceptable, and that is how Trump is sticking it to the left and they are enraged by it when they try to say he's lying, but he's not - he's just exaggerating.  Trump doesn't deceive and he didn't create the leftist hate - he revealed it.
https://liberalsbackwardsthink.com/2018/06/27/who-the-nazis-are-in-america/
Jeff Michka Added Aug 8, 2018 - 4:49pm
But it's so much better when rightist lakis call liberals "communists" or "Marxists."  Lindsay loves that.  He wouldn't know a communist if one bit him on the ass, but loves to demonize and "hysteria" name those who don't believe Trump was brought to the US on the back of Geezus.  And ol Dusty roads obfuscates like a rightist pro:  Trump doesn't lie, he "EXAGGERATES."  LOL Got a bridge "Dusty between the ears" needs to buy.  What a total BS package.  It's the rightists demanding "civility" and silence, unless confirming rightist "ideals."
Dusty Koellhoffer Added Aug 8, 2018 - 5:17pm
Michka, the Right calls for civility, but doesn't get it.  No one on the right silences others in the name of their ideals.  All the censorship calls are by the left, by Democrats in Congress and their friends on Facebook and Twitter, and all the riots and "civil disobedience resistance" are committed by the left.  No where are rightwingers rioting, and those who are getting into fights are doing so defending themselves against attacking leftwing fascists who pretend to be against fascism.   We want lay down for them and roll over ever again.  Your assertions are as fraudulent as your ideological dogma.
Leroy Added Aug 8, 2018 - 5:28pm
I'm a big fan of Rebecca Hargreaves.  Perhaps it was you who introduced me to her videos.  I will check out Matt Christiansen.
 
"Rebecca on the other hand pulls no punches and goes for the jugular, Ann Coulter style."
 
She doesn't pull any punches, but I have never compared her to Ann Coulter.  Rebecca does it will style and grace.
 
I am unsure what you mean by a "pitchfork nation."  Do you mean the mobs like Antifa or BLM or the White Nationalist?"   We should get a bunch of people together and go after them.  (That is not original.  I heard it from a listener on talk radio.  I finally got a chance to use it.)
 
We have to use the same strategies as those on the left when it doesn't compromise us.  Maybe someone should write a book called, "Rule for Conservatives."
 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Aug 8, 2018 - 9:58pm
Ben, this never happened, "All the Trump administration did was cutting government funds for Planned Parenthood. "
 
Dusty, the crony capitalist right,(GOP leadership, RINOs) agree with the policies of the left because they funded Obama and all the programs for 6 years.  Without shutting down the government.  Spending bills start in the House and the GOP has controlled the House for 6 years.  Money is the method Parliament used to control the King of England over the centuries take the power away from the royal family.   So I am not surprised the GOP is silent.
michael d zitterman Added Aug 9, 2018 - 12:39am
Benjamin,
RE: "One moral question arises again and again: Should the right engage in the same tactics like the left?"
RESPONSE:  Absolutely (100%) not.
These acts of negativity must be exposed.
 
mz
mikiesmoky@aol.com
Flying Junior Added Aug 9, 2018 - 3:42am
Too heavy for me Benjamin.  I can only guess that you hate Merkel in the same way that the crazies hated Obama.
 
Out of my purview.  Way above my head.  You can delete my comments as worthless.
 
The only thing is that I find it hard to believe that there is a large proportion of Germans who share your hatred of Merkel.  does misogyny enter in?
Dusty Koellhoffer Added Aug 9, 2018 - 9:19am
Right on, Thomas, and that's why we elected Trump!  He fights Democrats, not joins with them.  That's why I stopped sending any campaign donations to the GOP, and it's why they are having trouble in the midterms.  I fully support and endorse any Republican who works with Trump and they'd better stand up with him shoulder to shoulder if they want my support.
Jim Perlow Added Aug 9, 2018 - 12:22pm
I knew I was alone Dusty.  I feel the same way. I do not like Paul Ryan's obstruction or Mitch McConnell's and have stopped donating money to the RNC because of them.  However, for the first time in my life am voting for everyone President Trump is supporting in the mid-terms.  He needs more help than he has been given to clean up as much of the problem as he can. 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Aug 9, 2018 - 12:24pm
Koellhoffer: Thx. I'm also critical of the "new rule" game the left is playing. Most outrage is off-the-cuff. I don't think that exaggerations are necessary. I don't like them. They make it hard for me to get across real dangerous when people are making stuff up or blow things out of proportions. I would just fight fire with fire and make sure that people understand what is response to what.
 
Leroy: Yes, I send you to Blonde in the Belly of the Beast with an article of mine. I did not know her name then, but she was doxxed, her face is in the open, she has lost her job and is now married and planning to have kids...So I consider naming her a decent move at this point.
 
Ann Coulter has written a book about mobs that breaks it down nicely. There is the core definition (BLM, antifa and various other rioters). But it also includes internet mobs, helicopter parent mobs wearing down the schools, BDS...You know the dynamics. Some outrage, everybody grabs a pitchfork or a smartform and the accused is harmed by any means possible. Matt Christiansen coined the phrase "pitchfork nation."
 
Maybe someone should write a book called, "Rule for Conservatives."
ABSOLUTELY
 
Thomas:
Ben, this never happened,
Thank you for letting me know. So it is even less clear what the left accuses us off. I also don't think that they are outraged about tariffs and taxes. I think the vagueness of their accusation is tantamount to a lie because in Germany conservatives have no platform to ask them back WHAT they mean and people assume the worst that they imagination offers.
 
zitterman: I understand the sentiment and it wasn't easy for me to come to the conclusion that showing some aggression becomes necessary. It must come in an adequate dosis so that we don't get compromised at the process. The goal is actually to reestablish the rules that the left is breaking. I did not like the Kathy Griffin ketchup mask outrage. That was silly and did not respond to anything.
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 9, 2018 - 4:41pm
Indubitably!
FALSE, fiction, LaLa rightfield land, chasing butterflies are ya now Benny?
Ba ba ba Benny and the Jets...……….
Lindsay Wheeler Added Aug 9, 2018 - 8:29pm
Mr. Goldstein: "The actual problem is that the Nazis are the only moral compass left that we can all agree on. Hitler replaces Jesus and the tenets of a democratic republic. What is right or wrong is determined by -often loopy- associations with the Third Reich."
 
Had to repeat it--so true--got me laughing.
Jim Perlow Added Aug 9, 2018 - 8:59pm
I have to ask everyone this simple question?  Why isn't anyone holding our congressional leaders accountable for anything?  We pay them via tax dollars to represent us and then there is the enormous amount of money they receive from the lobbyists which has allowed them to join the elite class.  We can hate or admire our President as much as we want, but he isn't the one making the laws, but he is the one attempting to force our congressional leaders to do their jobs and change them.  It is their job!  Donald Trump is just the tip of the spear, while the shaft, which is much longer belongs to Senators and Representatives living the good life without much accountability. 
338 Added Aug 9, 2018 - 11:39pm
Try doing a radio show someday on your own dime, give out your cell phone number and call out every thief on both sides.
 
 It changes your life.
 
Sean
 
 
 
 
 
Utpal Patel Added Aug 10, 2018 - 4:07pm
This article rambles on to the point where I have little idea what you’re talking about.  I did notice several statement that make no logical sense:
 
“Our ancestors divvied out their foods fairly or they would have died once hunting luck and the collection of berries, salads and fruits had not produced enough for one part of the group or another.”
 
Never in our past has anything been divvied out fairly.  It’s our nature to desire more than the next guy.  Actually it’s nature to desire more.  Or do you think vultures take their turn eating at the carcass to ensure each vulture gets its fair share?
 
“As a consequence people today react to double-standards when they are pointed out.”
 
What double-standard are you talking about?
 
“Donald Trump won because Twitter users made sure to clarify that Hillary Clinton had lower moral standards than him.”
 
Twitter users made sure of nothing.  Trump won because he said what needed to be said about immigration and trade to get liberal voters on his side.  Twitter was his way of reaching the masses. The Fake News media would have butchered his words if it were not for Twitter.  . 

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