Should immigrants who can't support themselves be asked to leave

Every year millions of indigent immigrants come here and consume billions of dollars worth of American tax money that could be used to help our own poor and elderly by using Medi-Cal, WIC, CHIP, CalFresh, public housing or other public services. 

 

In the past all immigrants had to have a US sponsor who would pay for any assistance they might need, or they were not permitted to enter the US.  If the person couldn't support themselves the sponsor had to pay for their ticket back home.  Those were the rules when the Statue of Liberty was erected and most immigrants came here via Ellis Island.

 

Now many cities that don't have enough money to care for their own homeless and seniors are being overwhelmed with indigent immigrants, and some want to change the rules so that indigent immigrants will no longer be entitled to tap into our tax funded assistance programs, and still be entitled to stay here.

 

Should we take care of our own citizens before we give money away to indigent foreigners?

Comments

Jeffrey Kelly Added Aug 9, 2018 - 11:51am
Is it millions?  And what percentage of those would be considered “indigent?”
Riley Brown Added Aug 9, 2018 - 12:24pm
According to the LA Times, 55% of the households headed by a recent immigrant are receiving social assistance.  The LA Times is not known for being unsympathetic to immigrants so it's probably not an exaggeration.  That being true, yes, it would be millions.
 
I live in Southern California and don't believe all those who take advantage of our social services programs are really indigent, lots aren't but gladly accept any tax funded assistance they can get.  They don't think of it as money taken out of other people's pocket, or money that could be used to help less fortunate people, they think of it as FREE stuff that they become entitled to just by being here.
 
The agencies that hand it out hardly disagree, they too think anyone who comes here deserves and is entitled to receive all that "FREE stuff".
Dino Manalis Added Aug 9, 2018 - 12:36pm
 Immigrants should have a sponsor and be able to support themselves, it ought to be mandatory.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Aug 9, 2018 - 12:48pm
Riley, what do you base this number of "millions" on?  Does this article you reference say 55% of nationwide immigrants or 55% of immigrants in California take advantage of social programs?
Cullen Kehoe Added Aug 9, 2018 - 3:11pm
A country doesn't "ask immigrants to leave" once they have been granted permanent resident visas. That's not how it works. They have a legal right to stay and they should if they want to. 
 
If you sponsor a family member, all you need to show is you have $10,000 in the bank. I think sometimes they can ask others to temporarily transfer this into their bank account, get the statement, then transfer funds back out. 
 
But it's true that many programs that exist for poor people, for minorities, for caring for a differently abled child, for elderly, etc..., many immigrants do often qualify for these programs almost immediately. And I specifically know of cases where that's happened (almost from the moment they step off the plane). It gets fuzzy with scholarships and other programs that aren't technically from the government, but for which immigrants often qualify for because of their attributes (skin color, etc...). 

But that's how the government has worked for many years. You're in the country legally and become a permanent resident, and you have access to nearly all the benefits of a citizen. There are some Western countries that allow non-citizen, permanent residents the right to vote. 
Cullen Kehoe Added Aug 9, 2018 - 3:23pm
My point is, the correct way to address this is change government policy. 
 
For instance, Melania Trump's parents are immigrants. I'd assume they are elderly and they have access to Medicare when they get sick but never 'paid into it'. Regardless, are you going to refuse elderly immigrants health care? 
 
If you want to 'address the problem' you'd probably have to disallow elderly immigrants. But that's pretty draconian. All the solutions to this problem end up sounding nazish. So it goes on. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Aug 9, 2018 - 3:26pm
@Cullen Kehoe:
I am a bit surprised that California has so many programs that benefit actual illegals but it appears those benefit children specifically.  I am fine with that.
 
As someone who works in those programs and has for years I can tell you that even lawful immigrants usually have a waiting period to qualify for things like food stamps.  The general period is five years.  Any child born to immigrants in the US is a citizen regardless of where their parents originate from and qualify for benefits immediately.
TexasLynn Added Aug 9, 2018 - 6:09pm
Riley, interesting post that brings up a few questions.  One being, I remember an immigrant friend back in the 90s who had a "sponsor" as you describe.  When did this change and how, I wonder?
 
Bypassing the various issues on immigration and concentrating just on the point of your post and your question...  I say governments at all levels should follow the law.  And governments at lower levels should follow the law set by the higher levels.
 
So... the question becomes what the law should be.  Personally, governments (federal, state, and local) have a responsibility to their own citizens first and foremost.  As part of that responsibility AND as a means of discouraging illegal immigration, such immigrants should not (as in never) receive government assistance.
 
As for the U.S., Texas, and my country/city that is how I would encourage my representatives to "vote".  Other states and localities can do what they want as long as it's their dime they are spending, and they are following the laws of the higher-level governments. 
 
For example, California or Denver can decide to give free bagels and cappuccinos to illegal immigrants as long as they vote it in and they don't use money from a higher source of government, meaning money of those that didn't agree to it.
 
All that said, I've no problem with churches and private entities providing aid to illegal immigrants; such aid is what some do and do well after all.  In fact, I've always advocated that aid should be more religious and private than government controlled due to their general superior compassion and competence over government.
 
Good post...
Riley Brown Added Aug 9, 2018 - 6:43pm
Jeffrey, California has about 10 million foreign citizens living here, so if 55% are receiving tax payer funded social assistance, that's more than a few million. 
 
The forum question is: given that we haven't enough to take care of our own poor and elderly, should we be handing out what little we have to people aren't even citizens?
 
I think its a very reasonable question and not an easy one to answer.  On one hand we want to save poor people from poverty but if doing so unfairly deprives citizens in our own country of assistance they may have worked their entire lives to earn, is that fair?
 
It may get even more tricky if we take in account how many of the worlds poor want to come here because we will give them so much free stuff if they do.  Our policies are attracting indigent immigrants from all over the world, just as we are seeing our own ability to care for our own poor and elderly diminishing.
 
I feel sorry for the poor of the world, but know we can't afford to take care of all of them, even if we want to.
Riley Brown Added Aug 9, 2018 - 6:52pm
Texas, the US has always been an exceptionally generous country, often giving money and assistance to every country in the world that has problems.  We very rarely ever see assistance to us, even when we have major disasters.
 
I think the problem is not our private generosity, when it's private though charities or churches, people who care evaluate the real need, and the options, and carefully award assistance as it's needed and DESERVED.
 
Then came tax funded charity, managed by the Government, and all the rules went out the window.  If you came her in the past you had to have sponsor because no one wanted immigrants coming here to suck up our tax dollars if they weren't even capable of feeding themselves.  Today government agencies that spend other people's money, hand it out without question to anyone that asks for it.  Unlike a church they don't care if the person has other alternatives, or even if they actually deserve the assistance.  Millions of people are subsidized by programs that were designed to help American citizens with no other resources. 
 
If you live in a McDonald's world and want to eat better you don't just walk into a fine dining restaurant, order a nice meal and expect other people to pay for it.  Moving here from another country so you can enjoy a better life that you can't afford, is no different.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Aug 9, 2018 - 7:08pm
@Riley Brown:
”Jeffrey, California has about 10 million foreign citizens living here, so if 55% are receiving tax payer funded social assistance, that's more than a few million. ”
 
Riley, that’s an erroneous assumption on your party.  You are assuming that the article you referenced meant foreign citizens only in California.
Do you have hard data backing up your assertion?
 
Here’s the issue:
As I explained (as someone who works federal programs like Food Stamps, Medicaid and Daycare subsidies) legal immigrants aren’t entitled to federal programs for a period of time, generally five years.  Illegals cannot receive access to those programs at all.  Only citizens can so if an illegal has a child in the US.  State programs are something else entirely.  I wasn’t aware that California had these types of programs (though WIC is a federal grant program, I don’t know what those rules are because I’ve never worked it).  I guess if California citizens agree by voting such things through I’m OK with it.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Aug 9, 2018 - 7:09pm
Just to complete a thought...
if an illegal had a child in the US that child in the US the child can receive Food Stamps and Medicaid.  
Cullen Kehoe Added Aug 9, 2018 - 8:17pm
...because the child is a U.S. citizen under the 14th Amendment.
(Completing Jeffrey's comment above). 
 
 
Riley Brown Added Aug 9, 2018 - 10:26pm
Jeffrey, the source is the LA Times and lets suppose I am mistaken and they were only counting California, would that make a difference in this forum about who should come first, foreigners or American citizens?  The point of the number was to point out it's not a few hundred people.
 
I don't like to see people choosing between things like food and medicine, or anyone who can't get the medical care they need and because I havn't always had enough money, know what it feels like.
 
On one hand I also know many seniors who choose between rent and medicine, and don't buy their medicine because it's too expensive.  On the other hand I see medicine handed out to foreigners for free in our local clinics. 
Riley Brown Added Aug 9, 2018 - 10:32pm
Jeffrey, lots of foreigners have been here more than 5 years without any intent or desire to become an American Citizen.  Most illegals have fake paperwork including social security cards and birth certificates, they can't work without the right paperwork, and even without it they can walk into any hospital or medical clinic and get free medical care and drugs. 
 
If my grandmother walked in and told the truth about who she is, she'd get a bill for the services and medicine.  I've taken many people to clinics and a few to the hospital, and must admit the admitting staff don't make any real attempt to get people who claim they are here illegally, to give them information that might be used to send them a bill.
Ken Added Aug 10, 2018 - 12:37am
this is really cut and dry. Not even including state expenses, illegal aliens cost the federal government 280 billion per year.  Open borders in what has become a welfare state is simply unsustainable.
Leroy Added Aug 10, 2018 - 6:46am
"Riley, interesting post that brings up a few questions.  One being, I remember an immigrant friend back in the 90s who had a "sponsor" as you describe.  When did this change and how, I wonder?"
 
Lynn, I had to supply an affidavit of support for the second time in early 2017.  If I sign, among other things, I pledge to provide support at 125% of the federal poverty guideline.  If the applicant applies for government assistance and it is means tested, the income and assets of the person signing the form are included in the means testing. The form says that you don't have to sign this form, but, if you don't, the intending immigrant might not be accepted as a permanent resident.  Under O, it probably meant nothing.  Under Trump, it might be a problem. 
 
My wife knows Chinese in the US who laugh all the way to the bank.  They own property worth hundreds of thousands of dollars--if not millions--in China and they collect welfare in the US.  They might even have a business on the side here--usually cash.  They think Americans are fools.  If you wonder how that is, it wasn't that long ago that property was cheap in China.  It can now double in value in just a few years.  Many invested in property because that is the only investment available in China other than the stock market gamble.  My wife has a friend who is a school teacher in Shanghai.  She owns three apartments.  She is a millionaire.  She became a millionaire with only modest means.  It's very common.
 
 
Leroy Added Aug 10, 2018 - 8:35am
One issue that is starting to make people mad is that many of the local governments seem to be more concerned about immigrants, legal and illegal, than local citizens.  This issue will only be exacerbated in the future with the underfunded pension situation.  Governments will be forced to cut back on teachers, police, firemen, elder assistance, and the like in order to fund the retirees.  We've more or less have created entitlements to immigrants.  Outside of existing entitlements, immigrants have first priority.  Society as a whole will suffer if this situation is not remedied.  Let's don't allow immigrants to become permanent citizens if they don't have sponsors.  If they do have sponsors, then let's collect the welfare from the sponsors.  If they falsely claim means, put them in jail.  If their means change for the worse, then revoke the permanent residence status.   For it all to work, we must have summary judgments.
Riley Brown Added Aug 10, 2018 - 10:27am
Leroy, if I wanted to move in with friends I'm sure even though they like me they would expect me to carry my own weight by paying my fair share of the rent and other expenses like utilities.  If I didn't have any intention or ability to do so I'd not be welcome.
 
Coming to this country should not be any different, if you come here you should be obligated to comply with our laws AND support  yourself.   
 
If you can't even your friends will probably not want you to move in with them, so why should I and other taxpayers be any different when it comes to foreigners who want to come here and freeload off our hard earned tax money?
Jim Perlow Added Aug 10, 2018 - 11:50am
People, regardless of where they come from, do things to better their outcome or to avoid pain.  Illegals, with the best of intentions, crossing our southern borders come here in hopes of improving their outcomes.  Locals in a lot of small businesses provide safe havens for these hard working people, yet exploit them to make money.  They are paid in cash to avoid the cost of FICA and other state and federal taxes.  It is sort of like putting a candy dish in front of a child and believing they will not take some.  They know that being paid squat for their labor is a far better outcome than they had when they left their country to come here.  Illegals with alternative intentions of greed and corruption come too.  Both sets of illegal immigrants blur into our society, some doing good, some raising havoc, yet both using government resources and not actually paying the state and federal taxes which pay for the local services.  However, they do both pay sales taxes on goods and services they purchase, even when using cash.  What this country needs is a bridge for those who come here legally as well as those who have come here illegally to work and have not committed any crimes.  Work visa's should be easier to obtain, because it is a win win situation for immigrants and the businesses that rely on them.  We need a southern border first and foremost to truly impact illegal crossings.  Once in place we have nearly 550 elected Senators and Representatives to do their jobs and fix what is broken in the laws pertaining to immigration.  
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 10, 2018 - 12:14pm
So Riley,
Can you explain why you all do NOT hold Don the Con to position taking on immigration, chain migration, etc.?
 
Melania Trump shows how people have been working the system. First she reportedly came as a visitor under B1/B2 visa. Apparently that can now be converted to an H1B.
What happened to having to leave the country and then apply for a job, etc.?
~According to research done by AP news~, Melania started working illegally before she obtained the H1B.
 
[1] Apparently after reaching her limit of H1B visas, she obtained an EB1 visa, in March 2001.
 
[2] H1Bs are allowed to compete directly with American workers for jobs, and they do. Americans have even been forced to train their H1B replacements, as has been reported widely in the media.
 
For decades, the US has let in increasing numbers of unneeded immigrants, Melania and her sister are but two. They were neither needed nor needy. With both children in America, of course Melania’s parents would eventually come.
 
Will her half sibling come with his family, and his wife’s family, too? Imagine if she was one of a half dozen or dozen children, as is the case for many immigrants.
 
WHEN does REGIME practice what they PREACH?
OOPS!
That's right, when POC from shit holes wanna break their ASS to live in USA like the Irish, Italian, Polish, and Ukraine??? OOPS!
They are really white huh!
 
~The Bug~
Riley Brown Added Aug 10, 2018 - 1:39pm
Jim Perlow, how do you feel about the forum topic, should we take funding that our own poor and seniors badly need for food, housing and medical care and spend it on people who come here from other countries?
Riley Brown Added Aug 10, 2018 - 1:47pm
Wendy, first I want to clarify your question: "Can you explain why you all do NOT hold Don the Con to position taking on immigration, chain migration, etc.?"  I don't understand the question.
 
Second, my forum is about whether or not we should take funding that our own poor and seniors badly need for food, housing and medical care and spend it on people who come here from other countries?   I'm pretty sure the Trump's are not sucking up tax payer funded subsidizes, so I'm not sure what your point is.
 
If you want to know how I feel about anyone who violates our immigration laws, I'd like to see them return to their country of origin and apply for immigration legally, with a penalty for having broken our laws.  That would include Melenia and I have no idea if she got any special treatment but would guess with our lax attitude towards immigration enforcement, she was treated like anyone else.
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 10, 2018 - 1:52pm
No,'
YOU are NOT sure about anything. Emoluments Clause for a reason and so he sucks TAX payers money into Trump branded business.
He cant lose this CON and so he took America for a ride PERIOD.
Play games Dory,
NOBODY will buy this BS much longer and when WE flip Congress watch how quick you all walk backwards.
Cheers,
~The Bug~
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 10, 2018 - 2:03pm
BTW,'
WHY is Trump name on OUR Post Office with NO accountability?
YOU really think he is making profits for Federal Government?
 
Michael Cohen made MILLIONS providing White House service (which will play out in court of law) but many Publicly verified funds went bank to bank proving this true.
 
You can try to spin issues all you like but my mind is made UP and I relayed to you.
Delete my comments if you want yet he and his offspring are raping American Citizens daily & you blame immigrants or use a trade-off not necessary. MAKE Corporate welfare illegal first!
Cheers!
Riley Brown Added Aug 10, 2018 - 2:15pm
Wendy, I still don't understand your question and your rambling style of making one undocumented statement after another is just making me think you are seeing conspiracies everywhere you look.
 
Please slow down and focus on one question or example you can document more fully so that I can understand what you are trying to say.  I'd like to reply but most of what you've said makes no sense to me because you havn't shared any supporting details.
Leroy Added Aug 10, 2018 - 2:26pm
"If you can't even your friends will probably not want you to move in with them, so why should I and other taxpayers be any different when it comes to foreigners who want to come here and freeload off our hard earned tax money?"
 
If you don't want to finance someone else's dream, then don't sign the affidavit.  If you do and it comes back to bite you, you won't likely do it again.
 
"I don't understand the question."
 
Riley, the Bug has never had an original thought.  If it sounds incomprehensible, it is her writing.  Don't expect it to make sense.  If it sounds intelligible, she is just cutting and pasting someone else's work.  For example, in the above, it is written, "For decades, the US has let in increasing numbers of unneeded immigrants, Melania and her sister are but two. They were neither needed nor needy..."   You can find that it was written by someone else.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Aug 10, 2018 - 2:44pm
@Jim Perlow:
”What this country needs is a bridge for those who come here legally as well as those who have come here illegally to work and have not committed any crimes.  Work visa's should be easier to obtain, because it is a win win situation for immigrants and the businesses that rely on them.”
 
I completely agree.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Aug 10, 2018 - 3:02pm
@Riley Brown:
”lots of foreigners have been here more than 5 years without any intent or desire to become an American Citizen.”
 
You aren’t particularly clear about who you are talking about.  Your topic made me think about legal immigrants.
 
I did look this up, legal immigrants add about a million people to the US.  The statistics available from DHS only run through 2016.  I don’t know what impact Trump’s presidency has on this number but from various articles and things I’ve seen on the TV indicate that legal immigration is down across the board.
 
 
“Most illegals have fake paperwork including social security cards and birth certificates, they can't work without the right paperwork,”
 
Some do and there are people that assist them in getting paperwork.  This is illegal, of course and anyone who does such a thing deserves prosecution.  The illegals that I’ve dealt with don’t bother.  They do handyman work or work for lawn companies that pay them cash.
 
I did have the American spouse of an illegal tell me that their lawyer who was helping getting him citizenship tell her that it was best he was not caught working.
 
As I mentioned previously illegals do not qualify for federal programs.  Only citizens in the house qualify for benefits.  If you have two illegal parents and three citizen children then the benefits are prorated to only cover the three children.
 
“and even without it they can walk into any hospital or medical clinic and get free medical care and drugs.”
 
That’s also true for any citizen.  That is the law, anyone with a medical emergency is required to be seen and treated.  

 
“If my grandmother walked in and told the truth about who she is, she'd get a bill for the services and medicine.  I've taken many people to clinics and a few to the hospital, and must admit the admitting staff don't make any real attempt to get people who claim they are here illegally, to give them information that might be used to send them a bill.”
 
Because they know they still have to treat them and there’s not much point in trying to get billing information.  That’s true for anyone.  
Jeff Jackson Added Aug 10, 2018 - 3:30pm
Uninsured immigrants have bankrupted several southern California hospitals. If the "citizens" of California wish to pay for it out of their own pockets, they can do so. Asking the rest of us, and the federal government to finance a decision that they made is foolish. Go to any other country in the world and ask them to support you and your family. They'll tell you to leave, or even force you do to so.
Leroy Added Aug 10, 2018 - 6:44pm
"You aren’t particularly clear about who you are talking about.  Your topic made me think about legal immigrants."
 
It can be legal immigrants.  My brother-in-law lived in the US about 45 years legally.  He never gave up his Canadian citizen.  He had no desire to become an American citizen.  His main concern was to be able to fight for Canada in case Quebec tried to secede.
 
"I did have the American spouse of an illegal tell me that their lawyer who was helping getting him citizenship tell her that it was best he was not caught working."
 
Probably not a good idea to show up for an interview either.  That's where they get picked up today.  It's a Catch 22. 
 
"As I mentioned previously illegals do not qualify for federal programs.  Only citizens in the house qualify for benefits.  If you have two illegal parents and three citizen children then the benefits are prorated to only cover the three children."
 
There are other who claim otherwise.  I can't say that I know firsthand.  I do know a woman who came here illegally with her husband.  She had at least one of her three kids born in Mexico and at least one of three born in the US.  She separated from her husband.  Although she doesn't have her green card yet, she is allowed to work.  She and all three kids get free medical insurance.  One of the kids is a special needs kid.  Sounds like she got a pretty darn good deal being an illegal.
Rusty Smith Added Aug 10, 2018 - 6:51pm
Jeff Jackson Eisenhower Hospital in Rancho Mirage near Palm Springs had a beautiful Maternity wing DONATED by a very rich family.  It attracted so many indigent illegals that they had to close it.  
 
I know someone who worked at that hospital, who knew the family that donated it.  They told me pregnant illegals would walk around outside the admitting room until they had contractions, sometimes for days, and then the hospital had to admit them for FREE.
 
At the same time the Hospital in Indio which is 20 minutes away but not nearly as lavish, was only lightly patronized.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Aug 11, 2018 - 4:21am
Mother came here from Canada as an illegal immigrant 30 years ago. Was sponsored by some Jewish folks. I believe Jewish folks sponsor more Jamaican than any other group.  They help her buy a house, get her green card, and such. Mother was able to send for her 7 children. None has ever been on the dole. All became gainfully employed good citizens who have been making a meaningful contribution to society.  I can tell of others such as my late mother in law who walked the same path to citizenship.
 
If illegal immigrants who became citizens put a $.75 in the nation's coffer and those who became a drain take out $ .70  would the nation have been bankrupt long ago?  Could it be that those on the dole only take out $.25 and contribute more to the economy than they get in return?
Riley Brown Added Aug 11, 2018 - 10:09am
Dr. Green,  when immigrants had to have a sponsor most did not suck up more money than they contributed but things have changed and so has the face of who comes here, especially illegally.
 
In the West we get tons of illegals from Mexico, and the vast majority are dirt poor, unskilled and uneducated.  The second they get here we shower them with more wealth in social assistance then they could have ever afforded in Mexico including free schools and medical care that isn't even available at all to poor Mexicans in Mexico.
 
That tends to attract illegals who are not going to make a positive contrition to our economy more than skilled and educated ones who are already doing ok in Mexico.
 
When your mom came here it probably wasn't as easy to sign up for social assistance that was nearly as generous as what exists today.
Jim Perlow Added Aug 12, 2018 - 3:44am
Hi Riley,
Jim Perlow, how do you feel about the forum topic, should we take funding that our own poor and seniors badly need for food, housing and medical care and spend it on people who come here from other countries?
The short answer is no.  The longer answer is, the required payment into a social security account, as well as a medicare deduction,with required in kind matching by employers, has lost it's original meaning.  In the beginning, the intention was to be a supplemental income.  When ever I feel anyone call what has been paid for an Entitlement it makes me feel disenfranchised.  As others have suggested we need one more deduction on our pay checks titled as it should be "Welfare".  Once the people saw what welfare programs are costing them, it would follow they wouldn't be very happy.  It doesn't take much of a stretch to understand why the government will never do this.  It is sort of like the sin tax on tobacco.  While on the surface it seemed logical that people who wanted to smoke were willing paying the taxes for health problems which at some point down the road would happen.  Guess what happened to that tax revenue source?  It, just like social security and medicare taxes, went into the General fund and lost accountability.  One thing remains the same in D.C. today.  It is so easy to give away other peoples money.  The illegals are here and most require some sort of help.  I am for removing the band-aids and fixing the problem beginning with building the wall.  It's hard to put the water back on the other side of the dam once it has passed thru, but you can stop the flow.  The wall would be far less expensive than what we are experiencing today.  
Dr. Rupert Green Added Aug 12, 2018 - 5:00am
Yes, we require a wall to keep the murdering vermins out.  However, our advancement depends on murdering vermins. Look at Mexican mangoses killing American rats, American snakes killing Mexican rats, modified Ameican bees killing African bees. The warfare that transpires in the flora and fauna is essential to our survival. It is not unusual to hear of invasive species that are running American fishes into extension. We need the balance and building a wall may be a foolhardy endeavor that blocks a small insect or animal needed to propagate our existence
 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Aug 14, 2018 - 7:09am
@Leroy:
”There are other who claim otherwise.” (Regarding illegals receiving benefits)
 
Then they should report that.  It is a crime.
 
 
 I do know a woman who came here illegally with her husband.  She had at least one of her three kids born in Mexico and at least one of three born in the US.  She separated from her husband.  Although she doesn't have her green card yet, she is allowed to work.”
 
Doing what?
 
 
“She and all three kids get free medical insurance.”
 
How do you know?
I know California has a program for illegal children to get medical but AFAIK that doesn’t apply to adults.  Does the state you live in provide such a thing to illegal children?
 
“One of the kids is a special needs kid.  Sounds like she got a pretty darn good deal being an illegal.”
 
Now you are giving all second hand information.  Do you know she is actually receiving insurance of some type and it is free?
Rusty Smith Added Aug 14, 2018 - 10:54am
Jeffrey Kelly Calif lawmakers are in the process of trying to give medical care to all the adult illegals right now.
 
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article210645664.html
 
Just one more deep dig into the funds that are already insufficient for us to take care of our own poor and senior citizens.