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Has anyone else noted the tendency of those wrapping themselves in "liberty", the flag, and Bible are always shilling for the Orwellian agenda of the far Right and economic elites?


I pulled out my old copy of "1984", just to see how far we've descended as a nation. The frightening realization was this. We are not at the bottom yet, but the downward trajectory is steeper than ever.


“Just remember, what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening.” Big Brother Don.
Very Orwellian. Rudy "O'Brien" Giuliani, the Right-wing Authoritarian 9-11 guy sums up the Orwellian Trump era doublethink even more concisely than his client.
"Truth isn't truth". 


That nugget of doublethink takes a place among Eric Blair's, "Ignorance is strength. Freedom is slavery. War is peace." 


This is Republican/Trumpism now. 
The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
The very concept of objective truth is fading out of the world. Lies will pass into history.
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.



The rising white nationalism and far Right/Trumpist tribal beliefs and ideology are expressed with the same fervor as 1984’s “two-minutes hate”. It is also similar to cults and religious fundamentalism. As in, "Jesus sent Trump to save us!"


They are indoctrinated in the same authoritarian way, until they become fanatic crusaders for their Party and their tribe. (AKA the interests of corporate elites, white identity politics, and suppression of education, science, journalism and democracy.)

They are conditioned to despise and distrust all sources of information that questions their leaders and ideology. Corporate media rarely challenge Wall Street and capitalism in general, but since they call out the lies of the Right, they become the "enemy of the people".

Minorities, liberals, and the press have become the scapegoats of this new fascism.

It is very much an Orwellian cult, and they are programmed to hate liberalism and democratic socialism as the equivalent of "Goldstein's Brotherhood" or Stalinism. This is so ironic, while they embrace Putin over the majority of their fellow Americans.

Now their ignorance, resentment, fear, anger and hate are fueled to the point of dangerous extremism.

The white nationalists and Republican Party created this monster, There can be no good consequences of Orwellian rulers, austerity, and permanent conflict. It will be the norm until we see the opposition party find a conscience, and an overwhelming number of informed voters of conscience become active.


It will come down to either that unlikely scenario, or until some catastrophic upheaval eventually intervenes. 


The first option has an expiration date this November. After that, the inevitable awaits.


Bill H. Added Aug 20, 2018 - 11:16am
Good one, Dubya!
I had never thought in my wildest dreams that a large sector of the American people could be captured, convinced, and controlled by one person in a similar manner that we have witnessed in past history with various Kings and Dictators.
Dino Manalis Added Aug 20, 2018 - 12:40pm
 We have a right to our views, but we must avoid extremism and face difficulties with pragmatism.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 20, 2018 - 12:45pm
"It can't happen here" always told me it could happen here.
Generally I agree.
When extremism is in power, pragmatism easily becomes appeasement. 
Jeff Michka Added Aug 20, 2018 - 1:07pm
There are no more republicans, just Trumpists who see/hear no wrong from their "fearless leader."  Interesting you noticed the same out of the rightists as I and others have.  Hiding behind gawd and bible is the new sport on WB for the ERWs.  I guess, that way" they can and do pursue Trumpism with real "religious fervor," of course.  Can you say "hypocrisy?"
Ari Silverstein Added Aug 20, 2018 - 2:08pm
How Giuliani’s quote leads us to 1984 is the kind of stretch I expect from a hard left radical.  Oh and by the way, if this were an honest article, you’d share the context of that quote.
Informed voters know that its liberals that are the ones filled with “ignorance, resentment, fear, anger and hate.”  Furthermore, the concept that a man with an Orthodox Jewish Daughter is a Hitleresque white nationalist is so ridiculous, one can only laugh at your pathetic attempt to smear Trump. 
Allow me to provide you some advice for your next article, insults and false accusations are no way to make an argument.  Try working on persuading us to think like you, it will be a lot more fruitful for us all, even if we still disagree.  
Neil Lock Added Aug 20, 2018 - 2:28pm
Dave Dubya: I hear what you say. And I think you're (about) half right. But why do you think the "1984 spirit" isn't equally present on the left? After all, identity politics, particularly feminism, is "fanatic crusading for the tribe." Is it not?
And the big lies of environmentalism, like "human emissions of CO2 are causing more hurricanes, droughts, floods, heatwaves, cold snaps, etc..." are mainly peddled by the political left - though, it's true, the right do join in when they think they can make a quick buck from it.
Doublethink, too, exists on both the left and right of the political spectrum. Not to mention hypocrisy, and attacking the very concept of objective truth. Wouldn't you agree?
Mustafa Kemal Added Aug 20, 2018 - 3:02pm
Dave,  some of what you say is correct, but you appear to not be  able to look in the other direction.
This reminds me of antifa and the days of rage.
Alot of Orwell to go around from all quarters.
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 20, 2018 - 3:33pm
Dang it,
I was not here. Do not believe your eyes or what you read!
Fake news
~The Bug~ Fly by shooter
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 20, 2018 - 3:41pm
Kalmanovich had close personal connections with Putin, worked for the organized crime boss Semion Mogilevich, was an influential member of Solntsevo organized crime group and a former partner of Marat Balagula, a criminal boss of the Russian-American organized crime group known as “the Brighton Beach bros.”
In one of his interviews in 2002, Kalmanovich said that he was Putin’s adviser on the Baltic region and that he worked with an influential Kremlin official Sergey Prikhodko, the Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation, the Head of the Executive Office of the Government. He was shot and killed in 2009 in Moscow.
The biography of Shabtai Kalmanovich is an excellent illustration to the symbiosis of the mafia, security services and oligarchy
"Putin was never in business and he does not have ‘business associates,’” noted Nikita Kulachenkov, a forensic accountant and political activist fighting against corruption in the Russian government, has also served as a principal investigator at the Anti-Corruption Foundation, a nonprofit organization based in Moscow and founded by Alexei Navalny. “Russian oligarchs do not own their fortunes. They can’t hide their money. They need the status quo and will fight for it, using the mafia methods” — even if it requires taking these mafia methods to the West.
According to target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">the Rolling Stone, Glenn Simpson, who spent a year investigating Trump’s background during the campaign, testified before the House Intelligence Committee that Baronoff was a “suspected organized crime figure.”
According to the target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">New York Times, Baronoff was a close friend of Trump, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Michael Dezer of Dezer Development, Trump’s partner in Sunny Isles.
Elena A. Baronoff was one of the biggest sellers of real-estate for Trump in the area and the exclusive realtor for the Trump Grand. She stated that she previously “served as a Cultural Attaché in Public Diplomacy for the Russian Government.” According to a Russian-American historian target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">Yuri Felshtinsky, “It is not clear what exactly she meant by it and whether she actually worked for the Russian Government. Anecdotally, cultural attaché positions in Russian embassies were well-known as a cover-up for the KGB/FSB officers.”
Bickbau’s wife Natalia Bickbau is a real estate agent who, as previously mentioned, works with Olga Shaburova for a company founded by Gennady Sedikov.
She also wor
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 20, 2018 - 3:46pm
German Bickbau serves as a deputy sheriff in Broward County, Florida. The sheriff of Broward Country is Scott Israel.
According to the Daily Beast, Sheriff Israel was elected with the help of Roger Stone and target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">“hired a number of Stone associates and gave Stone’s stepson an uncommonly fast promotion to detective.”
Originally from Tatarstan, Bickbau graduated from Kazan Aviation Institute and moved to Moscow where he graduated from Russian Institute of Oil and Gaz, an alma mater of Moscow Mayor Yuri Luzhkov, oligarch Roman Abramovich, and many other influential politicians.
In the US, Bickbau first ran a Russian-language journal Russky Yug (Russian South) and later worked at the Russian-language TV station, RTN-WMNB
target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">according to his bio page.
In 2012, Bickbau founded and ran a company, International Innovative Technologies LLC, target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">with a Russian Federation official, Ravil Nigmatzhanov.
Nigmatzhanov served as the deputy head of the department of the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation until 1996, then as an executive representative of the Republic of Tatarstan in the Russian Federation, since 1997 a representative of the Republic of Tatarstan in the Republic of Cyprus and target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">later trade and economic representative of the Republic of Tatarstan in the USA.
Edouard Monakhov studied in a High Military Command Academy in Perm and lives in Florida, was arrested at least twice for target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">disorderly intoxication/municipal ordinance and target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">resisting officer without violence to his person and that he posed for a photo with the sheriff of Broward County Scott Israel.
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 20, 2018 - 4:00pm
The close analysis of the founders’ background and political, business and social connections provides a thought-provoking material and sheds light on the motivations of the well-orchestrated campaign.
According target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">to the founders, each of the five members of the Board and the founders of the Club served in the special forces, specifically:

the [elite] Alfa KGB/FSB Group, for fifteen years [ Mangushev,]
the Special Forces of the Air Force [either Monakhov or Shaburov,]
the Special Forces of the USSR [either Monakhov or Shaburov,]
the elite department of the USSR Moscow Criminal Investigations Department [probably, Sedikov,]
the office of the Broward County Sheriff (fifteen years) [Bickbau]

The Night Wolves have been closely connected to the Russian special services, helped to recruit separatist fighters in Ukraine and were deployed to Eastern Ukraine, according to the US Treasury target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">news release.
As reported by target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">Bild am Sonntag, German intelligence experts confirmed the results of the journalists’ investigative research showing that the bikers received transfers from the Russian military intelligence GRU, the Russian defense industry and organized crime and warned that the Night Wolves’s actions were a part of Russian hybrid war against the West.
In December 2014, the Night Wolves and Zaldostanov were added to the list of Ukrainian and Russian separatist leaders, militias and entities issued by the Treasury and made subject to U.S. financial and travel restrictions.
The Night Wolves biker group had its members serve in the Crimean self-defense forces as early as February 2014, which supported local Crimeans against the Government of Ukraine.
According to target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">Radio Svoboda, bikers receive multiple and generous government grants for “sport-and-patriotic” events and facilities for youth and adults, target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">“several hundred million rubles a year” according to a 2013 report. target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">According to Alexey Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Fund, in 2013–2014 Night Wolves received 56 million rubles (approximately $840,000); in 2015, 9 million rubles (approximately $135,000) for Christmas parties for children. In October 2015, Night Wolves target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">received a donation of 12 million rubles from the Russian government to ‘build a “Patriot” youth center in Sevastopol in Crimea’.
In 2014, at an official reception in the Kremlin, Zaldostanov target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow">physically assaulted a journalist who was critical of a Presidential grant for the bikers. He never faced any consequences.
Flying Junior Added Aug 20, 2018 - 4:09pm
Ric did an interesting post this week.  I didn't agree with very much of it.  But he mentioned Washington's Farewell Address.  Ric believed that Washington was warning us about a two-party system, so I looked it up.  He might have envisioned two parts eventually gaining power, but he mostly warned against excess partisanship in particular factions which alternate in power and seek revenge on the other party.  This paragraph predicts the monster, Trump.  Washington was incredibly wise and prescient.  It took over two hundred and twenty years until if finally happened.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Scary stuff.
Flying Junior Added Aug 20, 2018 - 4:11pm
Sorry Nick.  Climate science doesn't count as doublespeak.
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 20, 2018 - 4:31pm
The Oversight Committee has previously investigated widespread failures by the Trump White House to adequately vet top national security officials for their Russian contacts, including Bolton’s predecessor, former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn.  President Trump failed to suspend Flynn’s security clearance for several weeks after the Department of Justice informed the White House that Flynn was under criminal investigation for lying about his secret communications with the Russian Ambassador.  Flynn ultimately pleaded guilty to making false statements to the Federal Bureau of Investigation about his secret communications.
On July 16, 2018, Maria Butina was arrested for acting as a Russian agent inside the United States.  According to the Department of Justice, Butina worked to “arrange introductions to U.S. persons having influence in American politics, including an organization promoting gun rights, for the purpose of advancing the agenda of the Russian Federation.”
Butina reportedly acted as an agent of Alexander Torshin, a “lifetime member of the National Rifle Association, a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin and the deputy governor of the Bank of Russia.”  According to an affidavit by an FBI agent, Butina and Torshin “planned to advance Moscow’s long-term strategic objectives in the United States, in part, by establishing relationships with American political organizations, including the GUN RIGHTS
In 2013, Bolton agreed to participate by video at a roundtable forum on gun rights “organized by Ms. Butina.”  This roundtable reportedly was sponsored by a Russian organization known as Right to Bear Arms, and Bolton reportedly participated at the request of then-NRA President David Keene.  Keane had appointed Bolton to lead the NRA’s Subcommittee on International Affairs in 2011.  In his video, Bolton expressed support for amending the Russian constitution to include broader gun rights and offered the Russian people “encouragement as you consider embracing that freedom.” 
In order to obtain access to classified information, government employees must submit Standard Form 86 (SF-86), Questionnaire for National Security Positions. 
OOPS 86 of 86
~The Bug~
Flying Junior Added Aug 20, 2018 - 4:59pm
So Trump finally got on board with this goofy McCarthyist meme that Travil has been spouting for months with a huge rant about the Mueller Investigation being nothing more than a McCarthyist witch hunt.  Good luck with that alt-righties!
Like Ricky Ricardo said, you can't make this stuff up!
Dave Dubya Added Aug 20, 2018 - 5:01pm
Jeff M,
You can bet they are utterly blind to their hypocrisy.
It seems you haven't read the book. "Truth isn't truth", is classic Orwellian "doublethink". Get back to me when you figure that out.
“I am not going to be rushed into having [Trump] testify so that he gets trapped into perjury,” Giuliani said when asked by Todd about why Trump’s legal team’s negotiations with Mueller have dragged on. “And when you tell me that, you know, he should testify because he’s going to tell the truth and he shouldn’t worry, well that’s so silly because it’s somebody’s version of the truth. Not the truth.”
“Truth is truth,” Todd interjected.
“No, it isn’t truth. Truth isn’t truth,” Giuliani replied.
See Big Brother Don's quote for more Orwellian authoritarianism.
Try working on persuading us to think like you, Can't happen... Because this is the cult mindset of the far Right. Informed voters know that its liberals that are the ones filled with “ignorance, resentment, fear, anger and hate.” 
You are conditioned to reject information that doesn't conform to your ideological indoctrination.
If you believe Trump, you have surrendered reason, logic and facts. You are a follower. There is no reasoning with a cult. Everyone else is their enemy,
I agree the Left is capable of hypocrisy too. They have their own issues when free speech isn't to their liking.
That said, progressives rarely resort to the number of lies and tactics mastered by the Right. The Right lies to preserve the power of the elites. The Left tends to promote truth in defense of equality and democracy.
It would be false equivalence to suggest feminism is as fanatic as white nationalism. It is also false equivalence to compare a cause for racial and gender equality to advocates of racial or gender superiority.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 20, 2018 - 5:07pm
I refer you to my above case for false equivalence. 
The scent of borscht is overpowering in the White House.
George Washington was no Trump. And Trump will be seen by history as more of a Benedict Arnold, without the useful military service.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 20, 2018 - 5:33pm
big lies of environmentalism, like "human emissions of CO2 are causing more hurricanes, droughts, floods, heatwaves, cold snaps, etc.
This is also a false equivalence, and a misrepresentation. I don't see that said by anybody. What I do see is "human emissions of CO2 are contributing..." not "causing".  If you show evidence of someone saying "causing" I would agree that is not an accurate statement. It is hardly "Orwellian", in any case.
The closest thing I've seen to that clip would be the chanting at a Trump rally. 
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 20, 2018 - 6:40pm
McCarthyism was Trumps mentor, 
HOW RICH Don the Con should know such a term eh?
Trump mentor and lawyer, and mafia lawyer Roy Cohn led McCarthy’s witch-hunts: silencing dissent and people he didn’t like by making accusations of communism and homosexuality. How many of these charges were trumped up? Most? Cohn was a closet homosexual – some say pedophile – who died of AIDs. Was he also a Russian spy sent to undermine US democracy? Cohn is probably the person who introduced the concept of black-mail/accusations of sexual deviance – however defined – in order to control politicians.
Decades later, Mr. Cohn’s influence on Mr. Trump is unmistakable…
“I hear Roy in the things he says quite clearly,” said Peter Fraser, who as Mr. Cohn’s lover for the last two years of his life spent a great deal of time with Mr. Trump. “That bravado, and if you say it aggressively and loudly enough, it’s the truth — that’s the way Roy used to operate to a degree, and Donald was certainly his apprentice
Trump introduced himself to Cohn, who was sitting at a nearby table, and sought advice about how he and his father should respond to Justice Department allegations that their company had systematically discriminated against black people seeking housing.
…. Cohn soon represented Trump in legal battles, counseled him about his marriage and introduced Trump to New York power brokers, money men and socialites./ Cohn also showed Trump how to exploit power and instill fear through a simple formula:
attack, counterattack and never apologize.
Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack, "is Roger Stone’s philosophy.
Now where have WE seen this formula lately?
Hmm, help put a FUNGER on the Con using Cohn formula!
~The Bug~
Jeff Michka Added Aug 20, 2018 - 7:22pm
Skip Orwell and 1984, just pick up Puzo's "Godfather" for an accurate read, and Trump doesn't even know who heads "The Five Families."
Jeff Michka Added Aug 20, 2018 - 7:41pm
I wonder which gets more noise complaints in Trump towers, the washing machines or dryers in the money laundry?
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 20, 2018 - 9:07pm
Wait till I air OUT the Dry Cleaning!
~The Bug~
Cullen Kehoe Added Aug 21, 2018 - 3:46am
Those talking about Trump's failure to vet General Flynn...Obama hired him in 2012 to be the head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. 
Clinton talked about what the definition of "is" is. 
I don't know that I'd take Trump's antics and say it's 1984. 
By the way, if Trump is being investigated...constitutionally speaking he doesn't have to testify against himself. If they are building a case against him, let them build away and present their findings. Surely it would be a perjury trap (especially given Trump's tendency to exaggerate). 
Autumn Cote Added Aug 21, 2018 - 5:23am
According to the Article/Comment Content Policy you are in violation of several rules.  If you wish to converse about the rules you're breaking, let's do it via email:
Bill Kamps Added Aug 21, 2018 - 8:47am
Truth isn't truth
Or Rudy could just be speaking like an old codger no longer able to string coherent sentences together.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 21, 2018 - 9:13am
Those talking about Trump's failure to vet General Flynn Know Obama FIRED HIM, and then WARNED TRUMP about him.
Bill H. Added Aug 21, 2018 - 12:53pm
Of course, truth isn't truth when it goes against Trump or his cronies.
A successful dictatorship relies on lies, fear, and false beliefs.
opher goodwin Added Aug 21, 2018 - 1:29pm
Good one Dave. There are so many Orwellian overtones to what is going on. You told it well.
Mustafa Kemal Added Aug 21, 2018 - 4:30pm
The closest thing I've seen to that clip would be the chanting at a Trump rally. "
Try this link and play the movie.

Dave Dubya Added Aug 21, 2018 - 5:12pm
Thank you for the link. It would be appreciated if you give a heads up and state the point of your link. I generally don't follow instructions blindly.
I would guess the point you are making would be vandalizing a monument to racism and treason is more "Orwellian", or more hateful, or more dangerous to freedom, justice, democracy and the First Amendment, than are chants like "Lock her up!" and jeers against Black athletes, ranting that "Obama and Hillary founded ISIS", plus angry threats against journalists.
Perhaps you feel your point simply requires no explanation. Very interesting.  
Since you raised the subject:
Would you like to see the words of dedication spoken by Julian Carr back when the statue was installed?
The present generation, I am persuaded, scarcely takes note of what the Confederate soldier meant to the welfare of the Anglo Saxon race during the four years immediately succeeding the war, when the facts are, that their courage and steadfastness saved the very life of the Anglo Saxon race in the SouthWhen “the bottom rail was on top” all over the Southern states, and to-day, as a consequence the purest strain of the Anglo Saxon is to be found in the 13 Southern States – Praise God.

I trust I may be pardoned for one allusion, howbeit it is rather personal. One hundred yards from where we stand, less than ninety days perhaps after my return from Appomattox, I horse-whipped a negro wench until her skirts hung in shreds, because upon the streets of this quiet village she had publicly insulted and maligned a Southern lady, and then rushed for protection to these University buildings where was stationed a garrison of 100 Federal soldiers. I performed the pleasing duty in the immediate presence of the entire garrison, and for thirty nights afterwards slept with a double-barrel shot gun under my head.

Thanks again, Mustafa.  Something impels you to speak out for "Silent Sam". Shall we trust Julian Carr has your pardon?  
Mustafa Kemal Added Aug 21, 2018 - 5:45pm
re:"Thanks again, Mustafa.  Something impels you to speak out for "Silent Sam". Shall we trust Julian Carr has your pardon? "
I dont follow that logic. Moreover, if that is typical of your logic, good luck getting anything going more than an echo chamber.
I was  trying to help you out regarding
"The closest thing I've seen to that clip would be the chanting at a Trump rally. " 
Gregory S. McNeill Added Aug 21, 2018 - 7:49pm
I agree with you Dave. 
People should read 1984 which is scary and a warning to always be vigilant. 
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 21, 2018 - 8:56pm
Gregory and Dave,
"I've been skeptical about the wisdom and merit of impeachment. Cohen's guilty plea changes that. The president is clearly guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors. He should resign his office or be impeached and removed from office." ~Bret Stephens NYT~twitter
Cohen confession today IN NYS court standing then WE are FREE OF Don the Con soon enough, 
He really should resign at this point but that narcissist just
cant LET go.
Almost as much a pest as
~The Bug~
Dave Dubya Added Aug 22, 2018 - 12:32am
As I mentioned, it would be appreciated if you state your point and  present facts. Wouldn't that be a good way to offer your help?
You linked to a clip from the 1984 movie. Did I miss your point? You wouldn't say. I told you it reminded me of a Trump rally.
You said it, "reminds me of antifa and the days of rage".
What "days of rage" are you talking about? Did antifa hold huge rallies and chant hateful threats at non-violent people?
You presented no evidence
You brought up the statue. What is your point?
You wouldn't say, and you wouldn't acknowledge, or correct my understanding, that noted your fallacy of false equivalence. 
If you had any reaction to the purpose and dedication of that statue, you wouldn't say.
Are you distracting and deflecting with "whataboutism"? Sure seems like it.
"Authoritarian Tactics and Rules of Discourse":
While I am referring to the book, you link to the movie. Why? You wouldn't say any specific fact as a so-called offer of help.
I will suggest it would help you out if you actually read the book.
Thank you. Have you noticed how cons will invoke Orwell and 1984, the Constitution, and the Bible as support for their ideology, yet so few of them have actually read or understood these works?
And then they get angry when they're called out for their ignorance and hypocrisy.
The almost complete corruption of the Republican Party is now shielding Trump from accountability for his crimes, and joins him in  obstruction of  justice.
The treasonous Government OPutin has won their coup over our democracy, government, and Constitution. 
Under Trump, the rule of law has become threats and punishment for political opponents, and pardons for criminal racist cronies and toadies.
This is how they "take their country back" and "make it great".
opher goodwin Added Aug 22, 2018 - 7:32am
Dave - that hate rallies sure reminded me of Trump's election -
Lock Her Up!! Lock Her Up!!!
Yep using a laptop at home is a terrible crime!
Lock Her Up!!! Lock Her Up!!!
But seemingly colluding with Russia, having sex parties with underage girls, abusing women and paying them off, misusing election funds, vile racist language and misogyny, inciting violence and lying are all acceptable behaviours.
Lock Him Up!!! Lock Him Up!!!
Jeffry Gilbert Added Aug 22, 2018 - 8:02am
Colluding with Russia....misusing election funds... 
Your beloved Barry Soetoro got the largest fine in history for just that in 2008 for a couple of million misused bucks. Ironically no one called for his impeachment. 
Dave Dubya Added Aug 22, 2018 - 9:50am
Their prime directive is clear. IOKIYAR. 
It's OK If You Are Republican, after all.
If not for double standards, they'd have none at all.
Jeffry will exemplifies this.
Colluding with Russia....Echoing your "beloved Trump" projection again, we see.
The Obama campaign was held accountable for not reporting some large donations and for not timely returning the refunds. Shame on them.
You're mad at Obama, and not at Republicans? Figures. 
Ironically you're not bothered by your beloved Republican collusion and law breaking.  IOKIYAR, once again.
"Barry Soetoro"? Isn't this "beloved term" what they call him at Klan and neo-Nazi meetings? Are you another member of the racist birther cult?
No wonder you whine about Asians hating you. No doubt you amply display your "ugly American" arrogance towards them. 
Morgoth Added Aug 22, 2018 - 9:51am
It starts going downhill when the press is labeled the enemy of the American people.  It accelerates when the “president” of the US lies and his Trumplings don’t care and his...”party”....for the most part shuts their eyes.
We are careening towards an abyss.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 22, 2018 - 12:07pm
Well, the truth isn't the truth unless it lets Ts off the hook, or lets Orange smear off the hook.  The base loves the idea of Trump screwing pornstars, making a total farce of his marriage to Melanoma, the base loves his lies, the base loves coal "coming back,"  respective of the reality.  Of COURSE, any moment now, all theses new steel mills and aluminum foundries will spring up, employing the most bigly huge amount of people EVER, because the "businessman" that bankrupted casinos, imposed tariffs making things generally more expensive, but with those huge tax breaks trickling down, the base can afford it.  The base.  What a total ship of fools the base is.  Of course, democrats are evil Marxist/Leninists vowed to stamp out captialism and take gun owner's rights away by taking their guns away, the black helicopters are already in the air to make the first strike after the Blue Wave sweeps congress clean of the Ts, right, rightists?  LOL What total fools. 
Bill H. Added Aug 22, 2018 - 12:41pm
It will be interesting to see if the Teflon Tangerine is able to weasel out of this latest heap of incrimination using his usual tactics of deflect/demean/divert/deny/distort/distract/deceive/. Still waiting for the Huckabee/Conway bullshit backlash on this one. 
Morgoth Added Aug 22, 2018 - 1:07pm
LOL, I like that.
Seems that the orange one is leaning on the murder of a young white woman by an illegal to help bolster his street cred.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 22, 2018 - 1:17pm
Remember, "They" are all "rapists and murderers."  Someone else here, (Dubya?) calls this "whataboutism.' where one thingor incident "comfirms bias" so neatly.  Yeah, the free dumb and liber tea loving "good white people" need their fears stoked so they go out and buy more guns from T party political supporters.  Stoke those fears to make 'em go to the polls.  It works on the Ts.  They are sooooo scared!
Dave Dubya Added Aug 22, 2018 - 2:30pm
 They are sooooo scared! Research has confirmed a relatively over-active amygdala in the brains of Right-wing authoritarian personalities. "Fight or flight" is their common reaction to unfamiliar stimuli, races and cultures. The rest of us are more inclined to show curiosity and seek new information. 
It is all about FEELINGS for them. Resentment, anger, fear, victimhood, and hate are the buttons that have been masterfully pushed by their Right-wing authoritarian leaders.
Ken Added Aug 22, 2018 - 2:34pm
Please define what you consider "the far right".  Constitutionalism is a moderate concept, not a far right concept.
Also, please point out ANYTHING Trump has done that is unconstitutional or authoritarian?  I can name 5 things, maybe 10 Obama did off the top of my head.  You talk a lot of rhetoric, how about you back it up with specific FACTUAL examples, rather than constant fear rhetoric?
Dave Dubya Added Aug 22, 2018 - 3:52pm
The far Right is is what Trump and his party have become. Every decision they make is in favor of the anti-democratic, anti-representative agenda of the economic elites and the minority of anti-choice Americans. In other words the farther it goes to suppress voting and the "consent of the governed" the farther it is to the Right.
The far Right has made an industry of false blame, accusation and scapegoating liberals. They demonize dissent. 
Stoking bigotry by racist birtherism is very authoritarian. Promising thugs at rallies legal protection for assault is authoritarian. 
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union. Deliberate lies is a violation of this duty.
The Right's war on voting is a clear attack on the 14th Amendment.
Voter suppression by targeted reduction of polls and conditions for registration are counter to this ideal of the founders and the 14th Amendment.
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; ie voting.
nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. This has become obsolete. 
given aid or comfort to the enemies Putin attacked our elections. Trump sided with Putin's denial.
Attacks on the free press is an attack on the First Amendment.
Remember when only Congress could declare war?
Removing Constitutional provisions for the general welfare in healthcare, environment, public health, and public and worker safety is counter to the Constitution's mandate.
The same is true for removing Constitutional regulation of commerce.
One can also argue Trump's or Obama's or Bush's extrajudicial bombings and assassination by drones is un-Constitutional. 
Have you heard of the "Emoluments Clause"? Trump is violating the Constitution there, too.
Imposing unnecessary separation of families seeking asylum is authoritarian.  Threatening political opponents with imprisonment is a very authoritarian tactic.  Bombarding the people with lies is very authoritarian. 
I could go on and on, but these facts will not make any difference to the authoritarian mindset.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 22, 2018 - 3:58pm
And there's this:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. Trump aided Putin's cyber war on America.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Aug 22, 2018 - 5:14pm
I think I share stone eater's conclusion that Americans ARE stupid. You think that you live in a dictatorship because...Trump estimated the wrong audience size at his inauguration...or...what?...WHAT?...while simultaneously downplaying what people from other areas of the world say. STUPID! Batshit crazy bordering disgusting. DUMBFUCK DUMB! Stupid shit stupid!
Mustafa Kemal Added Aug 22, 2018 - 5:53pm
Thank you so much for your guidance on discourse and your recommendations for my reading list. I am glad to find another fan of logical fallacies. 
re"you brought up the statue. What is your point?"
I did not, I brought up a video clip that resembled  a clip from 1984
And I made my point very clear.   
You wouldn't say, and you wouldn't acknowledge, or correct my understanding, that noted your fallacy of false equivalence.  I will yet again below.
If you had any reaction to the purpose and dedication of that statue, you wouldn't say."
Because what I thought of the statue is not relevant, IMO
That would introduce extraneous information into this
"dicusssion' that can easily further be used by sophists.

re"You linked to a clip from the 1984 movie. Did I miss your point? You wouldn't say. I told you it reminded me of a Trump rally."
and I told you 
"I was  trying to help you out regarding
"The closest thing I've seen to that clip would be the chanting at a Trump rally. " 
As I said, it is very simple. Now, the similarities of the two minutes of hate with that video I found very striking. I presented that evidence.
Then you went to 
"  Something impels you to speak out for "Silent Sam". Shall we trust Julian Carr has your pardon?"
As I said I dont get this logic, although I do see it alot.
What Logical fallacy is that? 

Mustafa Kemal Added Aug 22, 2018 - 6:38pm
Dave, I think I know a source of some of the  confusion here. I tried to find a stand alone copy of that video. So, maybe you took its context in the link to mean something for me. It does not. I didnt read the article. Nor do I care to.
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 22, 2018 - 7:38pm
Poor Tea party was a failure.
"No Taxation Without Representation" is SOO far from these Unconstitutional Tea Baggers who are really Carpet Baggers sure as Don is The Con.
“March 1774 by declaring the port of Boston closed until the East India Company had been compensated for its losses. This was the first of the so-called Coercive Acts—a series of laws passed in 1774 in which the British attempted to assert their authority over the colonies but instead succeeded only in enraging the colonists further and ultimately prompted the outbreak of the Revolutionary War in 1775. It is tempting to wonder whether a government less influenced by the interests of the company might have simply shrugged off the tea parties or come to some compromise with the colonists.”
~Tom Standage~

Wrap yourselves in the flag while burning the Constitution is YOUR idea of being a Patriot?
Find a NEW day job fellas cuz shits hit the fan and wont be ANY turning back the hands in time or the side of history you have chosen.
WE, who have  tried to help YOU all reason in your OWN best interests will always help the fallen Americans. WE however, can never change the guilt of choice which remains in the hearts of those siding with guilty party.
~The Bug~
Dave Dubya Added Aug 22, 2018 - 8:56pm
Enough Americans are stupid, or otherwise conned, into handing the presidency to a lying racist peddler of resentment, anger, and hate.
You think that you live in a dictatorship because...Trump estimated the wrong audience size at his inauguration...or...what?...
It’s not a dictatorship yet, but the far Right has taken all branches of the US Government with a lying racist peddler of resentment, anger, and hate in charge.
Their power is not derived from a fair majority vote. Democracy is suppressed and consent of the governed is denied. The one-party rulers work endlessly to impede voter registration and poll access in minority areas.
They angrily chant threats of imprisonment for his political opponent. They attack the free press as the enemy of the people. Their crimes are beginning to see the light of justice. So they attack justice as a witch hunt, like calling global warming a Chinese hoax.
This is not leadership. It is division and kleptocracy.
Dismantling of Constitutional regulation of commerce unleashes Wall Street and de-regulated predatory capitalists. Polluters are allowed to add more poison to our air and water and environment.
Women’s reproductive rights are threatened.
They imposed cruel and unnecessary state sanctioned child abuse on immigrant children with parents seeking asylum.
They want to cut health care for poor children to cover for the tax cuts for corporations and their owners.
How much more “or...what?” would you like? We haven’t even mentioned the foreign messes he’s made.
One would truly be stupid, incurious or otherwise tuned out to not understand the utter betrayal of the nation committed by Trump bending the knee to Putin in Helsinki.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Aug 22, 2018 - 9:41pm
You're mad at Obama, and not at Republicans? Figures. 
I'm mad at both.
And to the low life scum sucking rat fuck rat bastard POS (pro hint: YOU MUTHERFUCKER) that tries to paint it otherwise for the sole purpose of winning any way possible.
Ironically you're not bothered by your beloved Republican collusion and law breaking.  IOKIYAR, once again.
Right, I left your warmongering terrorist cesspool of an excuse for a country more than three decades ago because I'm not bothered by DUHmericaan bullshit of any stripe. 
You fuckin' dunce.
"Barry Soetoro"? Isn't this "beloved term" what they call him at Klan and neo-Nazi meetings?
I don't know. Please tells us what your experience at those meetings is. 
No wonder you whine about Asians hating you
I don't. What I did do is point out that you don't appear to care when a leftie does what you accuse the right of doing. 
No doubt you amply display your "ugly American" arrogance towards them. 
Really? That must be why I have just celebrated 20 years of living successfully in Thailand and more than 26 years of successfully living in Asia. Then again there are the dozen or so years I lived successfully in South America and Europe as well. 
I have tried to take the high road with your hateful DUHmerican Saul Alinsky terrorist bullshit up to this point mutherfucker but you just won't respond in kind. 
Every Saturday morning at 0800 until the end of September my driver will be holding a copy of your avatar in the window of my car in front of the Lumphini Park entrance to the Si Lom station of the MRT. Present yourself to him so he can bring you to me and you can attempt to say to my face the bullshit you've perpetrated herein. 
Dave Dubya Added Aug 22, 2018 - 11:56pm
Jeffry G,
Oh, dear, Mister Tough Guy steps up. "Let's settle this outside". How authoritarian, and your redneck is showing. Maybe you were a suburban bully as a kid. Either way, authoritarian to the core.
Here's what happened.
You're initial remark to me began with, "Your beloved Barry Soetoro...." bullshit. 
For one thing, racist birthers and Right wingers use that name. This also tells me instantly you're trolling. 
You're offering the tired authoritarian tactics of deflection, dismissal, and whataboutism. 
"Authoritarian Tactics and Rules of Discourse":
Tossing in the typical far Right tactic of "Alinksy terrorist bullshit" tells me you're just another authoritarian asshole looking for attention.
You offered nothing about what I wrote. No agreement, no disagreement, let alone reasoned challenge, or correction of fact.
That tells me you are a dismissive arrogant type. Instead of making the slightest effort at addressing the topic, you ignored it.
This is disrespectful. I don't owe trolls the dignity of a response.
But you need to be told what you are. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Aug 23, 2018 - 12:09am
But you need to be told what you are. 
Come tell me. 
Ken Added Aug 23, 2018 - 3:51am
The far Right is is what Trump and his party have become. Every decision they make is in favor of the anti-democratic, anti-representative agenda of the economic elites and the minority of anti-choice Americans. In other words the farther it goes to suppress voting and the "consent of the governed" the farther it is to the Right.
So you are saying you cannot define it.  You simply define them as "they disagree with me"  You give a bunch of agenda driven talking point blah blah blah, but you cannot define an ideology.  I can define specifically the progressive, socialist, marxist, ideology, but you brush in broad sweeping strokes subjective to you what a "far right" person is.  Hardly a persuasive definition.
Ken Added Aug 23, 2018 - 4:01am
They demonize dissent. 
Stoking bigotry by racist birtherism is very authoritarian. Promising thugs at rallies legal protection for assault is authoritarian. 
the party of "tolerance" are the ones that not only demonize but CRIMINALIZE dissent.  you really don't understand the definition of authoritarianism.  Birthirism isn't by nature racist, you simply say it is racist because the person accused of not being born here HAPPENED to be half black.  You also fail to note that the entire birther conspiracy theory was started by the Hillary clinton campaign in 2008, hardly far right.
One joking comment about "offering to pay legal bills if people make trouble and become violent" is hardly authoritarian.  Authoritarian is ruling by fiat, ignoring supreme court decisions (even those that are 9-0 against you) and going ahead anyway, as Obama did are authoritarian.  Trump has done nothing authortiarian so far in his actions.
You are completely delusional.
I am not even going to go through the rest as everyone else has pointed out how completely clueless and ideological you are you insist on remaining intentionally obtuse.
Heck, I had a 45 minute ride home from SFO tongiht with a gay uber driver who is writing a book about "case studies on the failures of capitalism" and after that ride just presenting facts to his hypothesis on everything from slavery to minimum wage, (many times he said, "wow that makes total sense"), by time he dropped me off, he said "You know, the thesis I am writing I am going to make sure I present both sides of the discussion and do more research to make sure my points on the failures are valid".
Shame so many of you can't be so open minded to anything that disagrees with your agenda.
Ken Added Aug 23, 2018 - 4:08am
Removing Constitutional provisions for the general welfare in healthcare, environment, public health, and public and worker safety is counter to the Constitution's mandate.
Try reading the constitution, there is no provision for any of those.  you clearly do not understand the difference between a preface and the rest.
The preface simply sets out the goal of the constitution.  Nothing you mentioned there is stated as federal responsibility.  "promoting the general welfare" in the preface is spelled out in the Articles.  Anything not spelled out in the Articles are specifically rights given to the states to do with as they choose.
Please show me anywhere in the constitution, where healthcare, environment, public health, public and worker safety (aside from national defense) is authority given to the federal government.
It is a charter of negative liberties.  As we are a country based on INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS, the constitution states what the Government CANNOT do, not what it MUST do.  Anything not specifically enumerated it CANNOT do.  Much of what it does today is unconstitutional.
I simply fail to understand why this concept is so difficult to comprehend by the left - well actually I don't, since most of the left reject the constitution
Dave Dubya Added Aug 23, 2018 - 10:30am
Like it or not, your interpretation of the Constitution is just that. Yours. Others understand it more along my way. Including many SC decisions. 
General welfare means general welfare, in that unknown or yet to be specified and identified issues arise to be met. It is WHY it was intended to be amendable. 
General welfare is mentioned in both in the preamble, not "preface" and here:
Section 8
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;
"common Defence and general Welfare" are listed separately for a reason. Nothing specific is listed about any of these duties. No specific mention of tanks or an Air Force is there?
They were wisely allowed flexibility to fit future circumstances.
Taxes, regulation of commerce and providing the general welfare are all Constitutional mandates. It is the law of the land. We are free to argue to what extent and degree, but the words are there. 
The Founders didn't know what germs were. Is that a reason we don't need a CDC? The founders didn't understand the effects of pollution, but the general welfare is affected, thus needs addressing.
Despite your originalist mentality it's not the 18th Century. Get your head out of the past and understand the Constitution is a living document intended to be amended for good reason. It once permitted slavery, didn't it? A more perfect union is still a progressive democratic goal. We are far from it. The Right is regressing in fact. Tilting the rules of the game to the elites and minority rule.
The Constitution is intended to protect all our rights and civil well being, not just Northern land owners and Southern white slave owners anymore.
The preface simply sets out the goal of the constitution.  Nothing you mentioned there is stated as federal responsibility.  So you're saying the goal of the Constitution is not a federal responsibility?
the constitution states what the Government CANNOT do, not what it MUST do.  Anything not specifically enumerated it CANNOT do.
Orwellain Doublethink again. Look at the two contradictory statements you just made. It specifically enumerated what it must do.
 most of the left reject the constitution This is hate. It is ignorance. It is a lie. This is why communication is impossible with rigid fundamentalists and ideologues of all ilk. Like a cult, you see the rest of the world as an evil enemy. Only your side knows the truth. 
The fact is the Right often rejects the will of the majority and suppresses voting, and democracy itself, to better empower the ruling economic elites. This is the fact you can never see. Wealth is what they serve. Mammon. The holy and sacred bottom lines of the rich and privileged. This is why they de-regulate Wall street and open the gates for polluters. This is why they want to shut down internet neutrality. This is why they attack the free press as the "enemy of the people" because some voices in corporate media call out their propaganda and divisiveness intended to serve the bottomless greed and lust for power.
This is why the Right understands the very concept of consent of the governed must be suppressed to maintain their power. They now have a vast propaganda network duping Americans into thinking those who disagree with them "reject the Constitution".
You are living proof of their success.
The Constitution diminishes in meaning and power without the consent of the governed. 
And there lies our differences. 
Bill H. Added Aug 23, 2018 - 11:10am
In a sentence, it is having a system that allows what's better for one at the expense of most others versus what's better for all at the expense of a few.
If one must label themselves as either "liberal" or "conservative", they need to have the proper rules to follow so as to fit into the proper "box" and be able to show others that you are true to your label. Here is a good summary of the rules that one must follow to be true to your tribe.
Dave Dubya Added Aug 23, 2018 - 11:53am
Bill H,
Thanks for the useful outline of policy differences. It comes down to weighing the facts and evidence supporting the positions, as well as evaluating the effect on the general welfare of we the people.
The "General welfare" of the population should be a given priority in government over "private interests" of the privileged and powerful. 
Liberals understand we have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, as well as to property. All fall under the general welfare.
Bill H. Added Aug 23, 2018 - 12:22pm
Also add a respect for all life on Earth and environment that we all live in.
There is obviously a greed factor involved if one is only looking out for themselves and an easy ride thru a life that is probably never examined closely or understood. One of the space shuttle astronauts who was interviewed years ago mentioned candidly that he had changed his political beliefs after spending time on the shuttle and viewing Earth from space.
I guess it's seeing the big picture versus a small glimpse.
Wendy Bugliari Added Aug 23, 2018 - 11:15pm
From space,
Earth is just a Pale Blue Dot we hitched a ride on.
We do think too much of it when we really think about it!
~The Bug~
Fat Bastardo Added Aug 23, 2018 - 11:15pm
This goes to the depravity of the Republican base which explains why so many Republican politicians dishonest and criminals. 1st, if they were honest they would not become Republicans. 2nd, if they didn't lie, their base would not support them. 
Trump's Supporters Should Be Ridiculed More Than Trump
Fat Bastardo Added Aug 23, 2018 - 11:22pm
Donald Trump could blow Putin on the Whitehouse lawn while using the American flag as a knee pillow and still not lose voters.
Who And What Are Trump Supporters?
Morgoth Added Aug 23, 2018 - 11:34pm
LOL, nice.  Like your style....
Dave Dubya Added Aug 23, 2018 - 11:59pm
The Cult of Right-wing Authoritarian Personalities will always revere, trust and worship their Orange Messiah. 
It is the true Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Instead of the "Stockholm Syndrome" their "stable genius" has acquired the "Helsinki Syndrome", that will mark his betrayal for history to witness.
Jeff Michka Added Aug 25, 2018 - 1:57pm
Hey, Kenny.  If you want to know about who extreme right wingers are (ERWs), start your quest by looking in a mirror.  You express the ideas and concepts associated with ERWs, you mindlessly shill for Trump, and your claims about beingso concerned about the Constitution, are, generally bullshit.  But you already know that, don't you?  Kenny=Mr. & Mrs. Rightwing self-deluding Bullshit.