Black Protest Has Lost Its Power

Neffdogg, in a recent article told us, <<Barack Obama ran as a transformational candidate, and voters were expecting that he would govern as a transformational president.>> The biggest groups that showed up at the poles in record numbers were color and the youth with both expecting a boost from Obama. Socialism always promises to lift up the lower classes, however; the 'transformation of America' was not theirs but FDR's, a Fabian Socialist vision.



Obama didn't change the narrative for black Americans, white American's are racist. Obama actually worked to support this myth with surrogates including Sharpton, Bidden, Holder, and Lynch, however; Obama was elected by 'white' voters, colored represent only ~ 14% of the population. Lack of opportunity is another part of the myth, the list of successful blacks in many occupation is substantial and in line with its fraction of the population. Dr. Ben Carson on the GOP primary ticket indicates no political or social bias by the majority.



Obama's surrogates and many Democrat politicians are promoting 'micro racism issues' by shaming whites with the charge of 'racism' which black citizens have picked up. Dr Green and G. S. Mc Neill, appear in their writing on WB suffer from believing the myth by presenting observed 'micro racism'. Whites on WB also seem to show fear shaming. Black and white interaction is a symbiotic relationship that is part of American culture from the beginning. Negroes have addressed racism by a group culture of family and religion, a group identity in the 1800's which carries on today. Government approved racism outside of government ended with the civil right laws passed in the Eisenhower and Johnson Administrations and law enforcement has followed through ever since. The election and re-election of a colored President by all races is a clear that the citizens are not racist.



Now both blacks and whites have to learn to deal with freedom and individual responsibility in a nation without the fall back of racism. So long as blacks believe the myth of racism they define themselves as slaves. Isolated bigotry will always exist. We see black football players as a unified group failing to shame fans with 'micro racism.' Trump is the scapegoat is also a failure. Blacks are starting to spoke out to support Trump and voted for Trump, is a sign that blacks are starting to accept individuals responsibility for their own decisions and the resulting successes and failure, instead of embarrassing group responsibility, which is no responsibility.



The founders were classic liberalism that learned the ideology presented in the Declaration of Independence. They experience being on the lower levels of a class society. The original Constitution and first ten Amendments is a legal governing system that rejects the creation of barriers between classes which always results in bigotry. Racism is just one subset. The civil rights legislation returned the focus on our foundation, the declaration.



Socialism arrived on our shores with the industrial revolution explosion in the late 1800s. Since then the wealthy and government class the swamp, deep state, and beltway cartel have been creating barriers at they chipped away on the foundation. The principles taught in schools at all levels is no longer classic liberalism. For decades it has been replaced by modern liberalism which is socialism. Socialism ideology will return the nation to a class based society with bigotry and barriers between classes. Embarrassing the ideology presented in the Declaration of Independence will not. It will however require each of us taking on the hard task of personal responsibility as part of individual liberty.



Some black call for reparations, but slavery is the norm through out human history and little if any reparation has ever been paid in the past. Reparation is like winning the lottery. Only individuals the are independence and take responsibility for improving their lives in the long run turn this win fall into an advantage. Reparations without preparation will be wasted. No amount of reparation will be enough for those that see 'micro racism' everywhere.



Blacks need to start to take responsibility for the policies of the Democratic party which they have overwhelmingly supported for ~ 85 years. Chicago has had a Democratic government for most of a century, this labor day weekend 1000 people have been shot, mostly black on black, not racism. But it is part of the institutional racism seen in the operations of government at all levels since FDR.



Blindly electing politicians at the state and federal levels that fund programs that promote racism is in your hands. Individual responsibility is hard to learn but is the only path that will end racism and black on black crime, a return to respecting life and accepting personal responsibility. With independence and individual responsibility will come the return of the strong black family, economic, literacy, respect for life, and happiness.



If you need to here this article from a prominent black scholar and from a national publication here it is: https://www.wsj.com/articles/black-protest-has-lost-its-power-1515800438

Comments

Ken Added Sep 4, 2018 - 1:47pm
Thomas, this is what make many of the racial concerns with a grain of salt.  The war was fought and won 50 years ago.  Most blacks today have no idea what oppression or even REAL racism actually is.
 
Just take Aretha Franklin's funeral - they all talked about how diverse it was Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan-  that is what they considered "diverse".  You want diverse, how about throwing in a Franklin Graham?  It was all group think.  It became a bash Trump democrat rally.
 
Almost.
 
There was 1 Eulogy that was considered controversial.  (It starts picking up about 15 minutes in, and really kicks it up about 20 minutes in) It was based on facts and statistics, rather than ranting and opinion. 
 
It was the only Eulogy of consequence, and Jasper Williams, Jr. is the controversial one!
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 4, 2018 - 3:49pm
Ken, thank you for your great comments.  I confess I didn't listen to the 7 hour long Aretha Franklin funeral.  Knowing that it was going to be a marathon I didn't listen to any of it.  So thank you for pointing out the most impotent speaker, Jasper Williams, Jr. that did the Eulogy.  I listened to it and am in the process of listening to him answer questions.  This is more worth while then the eulogy itself.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpA6SaLyUWI
 
He is now talking about the meaning of the words he spoke at the funeral.   The high rate of children raised by single parents, women.  And the lack of a man to mentor them which is a part of the problems now faced in the black communities.  The violence and lack of respect for life.  He says no one can put values in people.  The black community has to do it for themselves. 
Ken Added Sep 4, 2018 - 4:59pm
I didn't watch the funeral either, especially efter I heard the list of people who were going to be there and knew it was just going to be a democrat lovefest Just like that funeral in Iowa in 2001 (don't recall woh it was, but it was another embarrassment).  Reverend Williams was absolutely spot on and THAT is the racial discussion we should be having, not these false political wedge issues the democrats are using to try and portray America as a racist society.
 
I posted the entire Eulogy of Reverend Williams because I wanted to be sure anyone who listened heard it in context.  And every other speaker was Trump bashing and opinions, but here he is being criticized for speaking the actual truth of what the problem really is that needs to be addressed.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 4, 2018 - 5:07pm
I knew you didn't like FDR, Thomas, but didn't realize you were black.  Did you join with other Chicagites protesting violence, yesterday or was that too FDR, and there were too many people of color there.  Fear shaming?  If honky WBers are quaking in there boots over racial issues, I say good.  The "fear of becoming a minority,' seems to mean "We've treated minorities soo badly over the decades, what will happen to 'good white people' when THEY become a minority?"  Once again, will white people be lynched for dating colored women? Forced to sit in the back of the bus?  Find they can't get mortgages due to "white lining", or just what?"  There needs to be some support from the honky collective to end systematic racism in the US.  This racial John Waynism is just more rightist noise to justify racial barriers and division. "They aren't solving the problems through rugged individualism, so a curse on them," eh?  Oh. how is rugged individualism working out for working class whites, Thomas?  I know, they've never had it so good, all this winning, right?
Ken Added Sep 4, 2018 - 5:17pm
He jeff, try learning some histor - about 1/4 of the victims that were lynched over the 87 years that happened were white...
 
Working class white unemployment is at what, a 20 year low?  Black unemployment at a record low?  Hispanic unemployment at a 40 year ow?  Same with female unemployment?
 
What barriers are preventing this?  Just getting government off corporate backs and letting them innovate.  It is big government regulation and taxes that have been choking off the American worker, not racism or white oppression.  Your absolutely uninformed worldview is astounding.  At least for once you tried to make a post that wasn't totally condescending and abusive.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 4, 2018 - 5:27pm
Gee, I guess that uncited fact makes lynching okay, huh?  And all these economic miracles have no cite.  That's okay, Trump has no cites, either.  I guess preventing the dumping of coal tailings and wastes have held employment back.  Cite?  I guess you have no cites because of my supposedly "abusive" comment, right, rightist?  You say I was condescending, but at least I  considered the audience, and they needed to be condescended to.  Stop blaming me for your gross intellectual failings and general partisan dishonesty, Kenny.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 4, 2018 - 5:29pm
Jeff is a bigot, Ken,  just use him as a foil to get your point across.  He puts his own foot in his mouth often enough that  we only need to comment when it to our advantage.
Ken Added Sep 4, 2018 - 5:41pm
Jeff Michka Added Sep 4, 2018 - 6:44pm
Hey, Kenny....at least you tried...I'll give you that, mindless rightist.  You need to don your MAGA hat and go help your buddy, Orange turd with cites.  Gee, you've "overlooked" Hispanic employment, since all this employment is so bigly huge, eh?  Or is Hispanic employment in question because all Hispanics are being tossed out?  And it's all because of Trump (read your own cites, Kenny) or "other factors?  I would suck it, Kenny, but you don't have a dick, just a bunch of rightist OPINIONS.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 4, 2018 - 6:52pm
Ken, FDR used the relief programs to improve his re-election results but after his first re-election the other effects of his Fabian Socialist program and Keynesian type economic program resulted a malaise economic recovery.  
1932 F Roosevelt elect 472  states 42 popular 22.8 M
         H Hoover    elect 59    states 6   popular 15.7 M
1936 F Roosevelt elect 523  states 46 popular 27.8 M
         A Landon    elect 8      states 2   popular 16.7 M
1940 F Roosevelt elect 449  states 38 popular 27.3 M
         H Wallace   elect 82    states 10 popular 22.3 M
1944 F Roosevelt elect 432  states 36 popular 25.6 M
         T Dewey     elect  99    states 12 popular 22.0 M
 
Aid to Dependent Children an FDR program is considered the major cause of the explosion in single parent poor households.  State ran the program, and southern states discriminated against black single mothers so the explosion didn't occur until LBJ took control of welfare rules.   
 
I can not find a better description of the effect of welfare:  "“[T]he welfare state has done to black Americans what slavery could not have done, the harshest Jim Crow laws and racism could not have done, namely break up the black family,” Walter Williams said. “That is, today, just slightly over 30 % of black kids live in two parent families. Historically, from 1870s on up to about 1940s, and depending on the city, 75 to 90 % of black kids lived in two parent families. Illegitimacy rate is 70 % among blacks where that is unprecedented in our history.” . . . . But this isn’t just relegated to the American welfare state, but is seen in European welfare states as well." 
 
"The poverty rate among black married couples has been in single digits since 1994 and is about 8 % today.  . . . Along with the decline of the black family comes anti-social behavior, manifested by high crime rates. (Williams asks) Tell me how a conversation with white people is going to stop black predators from preying on blacks. How is such a conversation going to eliminate the 75 % illegitimacy rate? What will such a conversation do about the breakdown of the black family (though "breakdown" is not the correct word, as the family doesn't form in the first place)? Only black people can solve our problems."
Ken Added Sep 4, 2018 - 7:35pm
Thomas - if you want to see the economic impacts of FDRs "relief" programs, read my comments on the other thread - another person telling me how "uninformed and dumb" I am while completely ignoring my citations.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 4, 2018 - 7:59pm
Ken a lot of people have commented about FDR's including Milton Friedman and other economist.  I have had difficulty finding comparisons with the present presidents, however; the rules and types of data taken have change significantly so a direct comparison of numbers should be hard.  Obama followed the same approach as FDR so should have a similar result.  Obama's "annualized growth rate of 2.24 % dead last compared to the six other recoveries since 1960, which averaged 3.97 % after 23 quarters. . . . (Reagan achieved) 4.8 % annualized growth (rate)."   http://dailysignal.com/2015/05/03/how-obamas-recovery-compares-to-reagans-recovery/
 
Another approach is to learn about the people that makes the programs.  "All the New Dealers I (Whittaker Chambers author of autobiography, Witness) had known were Communists or near-Communists. None of them took the New Deal seriously as an end in itself. They regarded it as an instrument for gaining their own revolutionary ends. . . . As Chambers explains, Thus men who sincerely abhorred the word Communism, in the pursuit of common ends found that they were unable to distinguish Communists from themselves, except that it was just the Communists who were likely to be most forthright and most dedicated in the common cause."    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2010/05/22/whittaker-chambers-the-new-deal-as-revolution/
Gregory S. McNeill Added Sep 4, 2018 - 8:19pm
Thomas you are wrong!!!
Just because it's not on the evening news doesn't mean that the protesters are going away. Your statement is ignorant and misleading!
Gregory S. McNeill Added Sep 4, 2018 - 8:20pm
Ken,
The family of Mrs. Franklin disagree with you. I disagree with them as well. Ken, you need to learn and read history, especially African American history!!
Jeff Michka Added Sep 4, 2018 - 9:02pm
Ah, the Sutrino raises the evil spectre of "near communists" and actually cites breitbart.  LOL From no cites to unreal cites.  Any cite is proof, right Sutrino?  Ask Kenny.  And Kenny is very worried about becoming a minority, Greg.  He knows how to treat minorities, and is afraid he'll get treated that way. 
EXPAT Added Sep 4, 2018 - 9:22pm
Thomas Sutrina.
An excellent, well written piece. It comes as an adjunct to the Mark Levin interview of Shelby Steele, a black scholar, senior fellow at Stanford University and Columnist.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5809625503001/?#sp=show-clips
His basic concept is that oppression of blacks, is over with. The old method of protest is obsolete. That is why NFL protest, BLM and so fourth is failing! Those protesting cannot cope with freedom!
Blacks must deal with the fact that they are responsible for their own condition, not the White man. Doing what blacks have always done, protest, flies in the face of the fact that NFL players kneeling, are making $15 million a year.
 
He further examines White Guilt. Not actual guilt of past wrongs, but a terror of being seen as Racist! It is a weapon used to rob critics of morality. You are a racist, therefore you cannot have an opinion on race!
I strongly recommend you see the interview cited. It answered many questions that I have!
Ken Added Sep 4, 2018 - 9:55pm
Gregory - Apparently you haven't read my posts here about African American history.  You should.  I have specifically made several comments about the black founding fathers who were so critical to the foundation of this country.  How familiar ARE YOU with them?
Ryan Messano Added Sep 4, 2018 - 9:56pm
Great article, Thomas, you are absolutely right. Gregory is a racist and won’t agree with any statistic that opposes his ‘America is racist’ myth.  
 
Jeff....well, Jeff is Jeff.  What can I say.  He’s over sixty and has the ideas and self control of a ten year old.
 
Jasper Williams comments were right on.  
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 4, 2018 - 10:21pm
Gregory, an article by By Shelby Steele, see Expat above for his particulars, in the Wall Street Journal, where I got my title.  Better then fake TV.  I assume you do believe your people, both Steele and Rev. J. Williams who gave the eulogy for A. Franklin?  
 
Jeff, the article is about a well respected journalist from an earlier time.   breitbart just quotes him.  Not creative writing.
 
The truth shall set you free is what Ryan, Ken, and Expat are saying.  That is once you start being a free man or women that takes responsibility.  The women in your race out number the men by quite a margin.
Ken Added Sep 4, 2018 - 10:39pm
Thomas, Shelby is Remarkable.  Aside from the article he was on Life, Liberty and Levin, an hour long show that is a long form interview show on Sunday nights at 10 pm Eastern on FOX, he was on an episode a few weeks ago - it was replayed on Sunday night as a Labor Day repeat.  Dr. Steele is absolutely remarkable.  I had never heard of him before his hour long interview with Mark Levin.  I wish more people knew about who he was.  That hour long interview should be seen by as many as possible. That would then lead them out to search out more of Dr. Steele's writings which are absolutely phenomenal.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 5, 2018 - 10:53am
Ken I also saw that episode of 'Life, Liberty, and Levin' that is where the WSJ article was mentioned.  I also am a CRTV subscriber which was started by Mark Levin.  I did copy the full WSJ article but when I went back to it again I had to subscribe.  Tell me what you can see on the WSJ site.
 
If you notice which how can you not that I keep bringing up institutional racism and class societies.  These are one in the same.  To have a class society you have to separate people into classes and make the unique.   
 
South Africa under apartheid had basically three classes.  The whites that lived in on of the freest market economies in the world, the Africans that live in a socialist economy with the government controlling all major activities, and a very small group of Africans that were the interface between the two and enjoyed economically a free market.  
 
In Europe, America, and most of the other western style nations we have government and the wealth, which usually run governments, trying to create at least an upper class separated by government built barriers to mobility in an out of their class.  And the rest of the people they see as serving their needs.  The lesser class may be broken down to even lower classes.  Europe and America have the undocumented and welfare as the lowest classes.  The barriers there are the lack of legal status and the acceptance of welfare.  Welfare is used to limit choices to those that keep them dependent and thus voting in the welfare givers, the upper class.   The undocumented people may also get welfare with the same goal. 
 
So the civil rights movement ended government sanctioned bigotry of citizens but didn't effect the  class society structure only eliminated one tool.  The 'Great Society' and 'chain migration' were the compensation put in place for the loss of segregation.  
 
Socialism is the form of government that is based on class structure.  It is not racist,  rather it used wealth to distinguish classes.  And each wealth class has functions within society.   
 
Demographics clearly shows that poor blacks live in cities and that those cities have Democratic Party run government.  They didn't see that creating a voting concentration in cities would create the problems we have today with a total loss of respect for life.  That is one big problem when a nation does social engineering,  people are not capable of seeing into the future.  And the inertia of the bureaucracy which can not figure out how to fix a problem, does nothing.   The black Ghetto and welfare problems were recognized shortly after the program began.  Solutions were slow in coming and didn't work.   
 
Spontaneous order, the free market, has never been allowed to sift through the order of magnitude list of solutions by small test cases since to allow that would damage the real goal, having an upper class protected from the rest of the people.  
 
What is finally happening is that the lower classes are realizing that the governing and wealth upper class do not have there interest in mind much less their best interest.  The are selfish and only have the upper class interest in mind.   Recall that I said <<Obama's surrogates and many Democrat politicians are promoting 'micro racism issues' by shaming whites with the charge of 'racism'.>>  The football players have accepted the scenario but the fans have not.
Dino Manalis Added Sep 5, 2018 - 1:53pm
 There's plenty of discrimination, but racism is a thing of the past!
Jeff Michka Added Sep 5, 2018 - 3:34pm
Ryan, once again, wants to make things about me, and saomehow that mindless git figures calling me a child will somehow anger me.  I 'll stop commenting, I'll stomp around cursing Ryan?  Just what fuckstick Ryan. You've nothing to say pr add about South African issues, but do need to stroke those you feel are supportive fellow rightists, given you know full well local voters to you are reading your crap you post about others, so absolutely need to try and make anyone being critical of you the issue, not your words or "issues" Ryan obviously has, making him completely unsuitable for holding ANY office, let alone a position to ruin kids lives.  South African white people would love Ryan.  He should go there and run for school board in a black township.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 5, 2018 - 5:14pm
@ Thomas. "Negroes have addressed racism by a group culture of family and religion, a group identity in the 1800's which carries on today. Government approved racism outside of government ended with the civil right laws passed in the Eisenhower and Johnson Administrations and law enforcement has followed through ever since. The election and re-election of a colored President by all races is a clear that the citizens are not racist."
 
Negroes? Are you kidding me? Still, you could place bolded above in your own words. I bet you do not understand what you cut and pasted to compose your post.  Because of your cutting and pasting from a source that is scripted for you, your syntaxing is not aligned and makes your piece resemble writings of the unexamined, which I know you are not.
 
Yes, you harp on those coded terms--Blacks lacking personal responsibility and failing to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.  Folks were treated so badly during the Civil War that, as soldiers, they had to cook the one boot they had and eat it to survive. of course, slavery then has nothing to do with one's lot these 500 years after. Forgot that the victims of slavery bequeathed poverty to their offsprings and the enslavers bequeathed wealth to theirs.
 
Oh yes, we are in a post-racial society, with President Trump emulating Napoleon to shoot off those broad noses and thick lips off all artifacts representing President Obama.
 
"Some black call for reparations, but slavery is the norm through out human history and little if any reparation has ever been paid in the past" (Thomas, 2018)
 
Indeed, slavery was old when Moses was young and Europeans endured some hellish form of slavery. But note, they did not call it slavery. However, the chattel slavery that Europe introduced was the worse. Surely the Jews and the Japanese did not get reparation? Or did they? 
 
As for Ben Carson, here was a man running for president but when given secretary of health, he noted he was not qualified. Perhaps he was smart and did not want to go down as the Negro that killed Obamacare, as Obama will be remembered as the president who made homosexuality the law of the land. Still, Carson is cited as saying that all illegal immigrants caught voting should be stripped of their citizenship. Can't use him as an astute political role model for my family. 
 
 
Note. Though my response is sort of nonchalant, it is very deep. If I go deeper with it, many would be angry.
 
Note, as a KKK member disavows being racist by pointing out /she has Black friends, I likewise will annunciate that I am not racist as I have White friends.
Ryan Messano Added Sep 5, 2018 - 5:36pm
Green, when you realize your character matters more than your color, you will be immensely wise.  You chose the former, not the latter, yet your focus is on the latter, not the former, which is irrational.  
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 5, 2018 - 6:22pm
Jeff is getting his dopamine hit by flaming people.  He is something like drug addicted mouse pushing the button for more "pleasure."
 
With regards to blacks and democratic party, there was a wholesale conversion with FDR. FDR did bring home the economic goods.  This is obvious if one is not blinded by ideology.  American Negros converted to democratic party for economic reasons.
 
FDR electrified farms through Co-Ops, which increased farm productivity.  New aluminum smelting plants supported new industry.  Building of roads and infrastructure improved things for a later take-off.  He spent debt free money via RFC to then eliminate banker debts, thus lessening the effect of the depression (it was still not enough).  
 
Yes, FDR was a mixed bag, especially with his Jewish cabinet and sneaky schemes regarding the Japanese.
 
The democratic party was the party of Jim Crow, the KKK and so on.  Republican party, when it came into being under Lincoln, had no connection to the past,  it was new at that moment in time.  
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 5, 2018 - 6:33pm
Dr. Green as I said your a person crying 'micro racism',  I purposely used all the different acceptable terms that to my knowledge were not derogatory for much of my life until 'politically correctness', another name for 'micro bigotry' became a tactic of socialist.  Thank you for proving my point.
 
Dr. Green, both Dr. S. Steele and Rev. J. Williams who gave the eulogy for A. Franklin said that blacks need to accept personal responsibility for what is happening in their neighborhoods, which means they are not doing it now.   Take it up with them if you do not like what I said.  
 
Your trying to create white shaming but every citizen of the America that was directly involve in slavery  and the civil war are DEAD.  The vast majority of those involved in segregation before the civil rights laws that passed in the 50's and 60's are also dead.   I reject your trying to transfer their actions on to me or anyone else that was not an adult.  I know what decisions I made and they are shameful. 
 
Thank you again you are proving the point of this article and that your practice 'micro-racism.'  I will let your comments on slavery and Dr. Ben Carson speak for themselves.   I can not speak for what Carson thing about Obama Care I only know that he presented a replacement plan during his campaign.
 
I have no idea what your talking about with Napoleon.  He has been dead for some time.  But I would really enjoy it anyone did what the Popes did to each other: dig up the bones, put them in a chair, conduct a trial, and then burn the bones at the stake.   Now that would be quit a show.  
Ken Added Sep 5, 2018 - 6:55pm
It takes all of 3 seconds to find out how wrong you are at Ben Carson, as he campaigned on repealing ObamaCare
 
http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/06/25/ben-carson-reacts-supreme-courts-obamacare-decision-kelly-file
 
Funny how it is "coded" if Thomas says "Negro" but then you go ahead and use it yourself.  Are you a closet racist?  Or just out in the open?  You seem to be looking for something to be angry about and appear to see everything through the prism of race.
 
It's been 50 years, but have you already forgotten "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."?
 
I have met and talked with Alveda King.  I know she believes this to already be the case
 
She is also an unabashed support of that darned racist! President Trump
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
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I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/martin_luther_king_jr_115056
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
Read more at: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/martin_luther_king_jr_115056
Jeff Michka Added Sep 5, 2018 - 7:11pm
MOFOSWILL, once again, expresses his "outrage" over me.  What MOFO ain't saying is why.  Racism isn't limited to brown white, black white, but MOFO is just a "low bar racists," favoring anti-semitism over other hatreds, but he is an anti-semite, none the less, respective of his trying to define me.  MOFO, the anti-semite "economist" (one of dozens on WB) told me (and this still gets some laughs) how the Telecom Act of '96 was enacted to put Jews in control pf the media, and he's stuck with the story over time, but MOFO is just, after all a MOFO.  MOFO has no character save a bad one.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 5, 2018 - 8:39pm
 
Ben, I hope this link to Carson's ten page campaign plan works.  He never change he belief in this plan.  So if he chose not to be Trump's health care bull dog to get a bill through Congress, maybe because Carson learned that Trump really didn't care what congress passed.   
HEAs for patents, Medicare competition among insurance companies, and eliminate Medicaid, but create private health insurance choices,
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 6, 2018 - 12:51am
@ Thomas and Ken. The complexity and multiple meanings of words are evident here.
In the days, you tell three years old Micheal Jackson was bad and they would disagree. You tell them he was baad and they would agree. Just the extra stress on a vowel had a 100% in shift meaning.
 
The use of the word Negro has different meanings, to which you would be oblivious.  It is a dated and contemptable term, and your use of it could result from the manner in which the morally loaded "abortion" rather than termination of pregnancy is used by some calling themselves Christians. In today's scholarly communication, we try not to use terms associated with sexism, ageism, racism, and such. Thus, your use of Negro could result from ignorance and not to advance the degradable connotation is ascribed to Blacks.
 
Of course, Blacks moved to the acceptance of Negro instead of "Niger," and names such as the Journal of Negro Education could warrant your usage. As an activist and challenger of Blacks loyalty to the Democratic party, I use Negro to show my contempt for the upper-class Blacks who have sold out--the 'Toms if you will. Some of those Black individuals you reference are ones I label as Negroes. 
 
I did not respond to Thomas' article because of its dog whistle appeal. As a matter of fact, I noted my cavalier response. Thus,  my response articulated no particular position pro-con  Thomas' points.  I merely acted as an echo chamber and a devil's advocate in the questions I asked and the points I made. Hence, any attack on me is unfounded.  White shaming? The process of enslavement resulted in White privilege and Black disempowerment, which has retarded Whites' advancement in multitudes of ways? Blacks, on the other hand, with their "lazy selves," have failed to capitalize on the advantages the institution of slavery accorded then? 
 
As for Black protest losing power, watch out for Kaepernick and LeBron James.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 6, 2018 - 1:20am
As a Caribbean Black, I could sing a tune about Native Blacks being lazy. However, I choose to help advance their education and their struggle for equity.
Ken Added Sep 6, 2018 - 1:59am
DRG - how is it that you call yourself a doctor (and I don't know what you are a doctor of or whether you are or not), and yet post after post, if you were a doctor, you don't even know basic grammar, spelling and sentence structure?  I don't usually point that out too much, but you consistently do it over and over showing a complete lack of command of the basic english language.  Perhaps because you are Caribbean, perhaps not.  I have been to Caribbean many times, have many friends there, and they are able to communicate coherently.  You frequently don't. 
 
Of course Negro has different meanings, as do many other identifiers, I was just making a point.  You assume someone would be "oblivious" simply because they don't have the same level of melanin in their skin as you.  You have no idea of our life experiences.  If you are an MD and don't get that, I really feel sorry for you.
 
Abortion or termination of pregnancy?  Women's right to chose?  How about Child Murder?  That is all it is, they made their choice when they engaged in activity that could produce life as a consequence.  Terminating that life because it is "inconvenient" is sick.  Different topic however, and has nothing to do with "Christian" beliefs, as I am not a Christian.
 
"the Tom's if you will" I bet you have never read the book.  Uncle Tom was actually the HERO. Wonderful talking point however to the uneducated, huh?
 
you talk about White privilege and black shaming and talk about not responding to "dog whistles"?  That is just ignorant and embarrassing for you.  Neither is accurate, nor are they true.  They are simply SJW/leftist splinter points to divide and you seem to have bought in hook,line, and sinker. 
 
I feel sorry for you.  Your tunnel vision of racism and white supremacy is sad, bordering on pathetic.  When racism was prevalent and institutionalized (half a century ago) being a black doctor was almost impossible. Yet you are taking advantage of a society that you sound like you are rejecting because of such rampant racism.
 
Did you know, in the late 1940's  There was a black man who was in a terrible auto accident in Alabama.  He was bleeding out, and was driven to the nearest hospital.  They refused to accept him because the hospital was whites only.  The next hospital was an hour away., they couldn't get him there before he died.  Who was he?  He was THE doctor who discovered how to separate blood and blood types and make sure people could be treated appropriately.
 
We are so damn racist today, that we just kick folks out because of the amount of melanin the have in their skin, right?  Get some perspective, and try to enter the modern world
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 6, 2018 - 7:37am
@Tom. "Did you know, in the late 1940's  There was a black man who was in a terrible auto accident in Alabama.  He was bleeding out, and was driven to the nearest hospital.  They refused to accept him because the hospital was whites only.  The next hospital was an hour away., they couldn't get him there before he died.  Who was he?  He was THE doctor who discovered how to separate blood and blood types and make sure people could be treated appropriately."
 
 
Good point in preceding.  Glad you heard about the act of racism that caused Charles Drew his life. Now you know the name of the Blackman go teach your kin folks it and the danger racism portends.  Please provide me the evidence of my racism. Did not know if one employs his or her Constitutional rights and pointed out inequities that were racist in origin, s/he was racist.
 
Was I racist because I employed my freedom of speech in articulating support for the right of the KKK to march? Would you say James Joyce has no sense of the orthography, syntax, etymology, and prosody-the construct of grammar? You pointing out my abandon of the Queen's English is a red herring. Discuss what I am trying to say as to opposed to how I say it. Ie, argue the facts as opposed to the person. If one wants to see a deviation from grammar, read Thomas' works. I chose not to be grammar police as I am one to engage in free writing as I multitask between researching and participating here. Cant free write in scholarly papers.
 
"Abortion or termination of pregnancy?  Women's right to chose?  How about Child Murder? " Tom.
Exactly to a point I made. A morally loaded term you may have used against a woman and another man's wife who you may have paid to terminate her pregnancy resulting from your dalliance. 
 
 
"you talk about White privilege and black shaming and talk about not responding to "dog whistles"?  That is just ignorant and embarrassing for you.  Neither is accurate, nor are they true.  They are simply SJW/leftist splinter points to divide and you seem to have bought in hook,line, and sinker. " Tom
 
How can you say what I said and did is not true? Show me where I spoke about White shaming. Was it stating the fact that prominent Americans sold arms to the Germans to help in the genocide of the Jews and that Hitler learned his craft from America's treatment of Blacks? Oops, I never stated that. Better yet, Isreal with the aid of America aided South Africa in its attempt to keep Blacks in subjugation as it now keeps the Palestinian in subjugation.
 
You want the truth, you may not be able to handle the truth, so i merely flirt with them here as I learn by reading posts such as yours. After all, one should study the lay of the land before getting in battle and s/he must be prepared for the onslaught.
 
 
"We are so damn racist today, that we just kick folks out because of the amount of melanin the have in their skin, right?  Get some perspective, and try to enter the modern world" Ton.
 
No, you don't have to. Give them education akin to giving the Native American small poxed blankets. Give their children lead in their drinking water. Lock them up indiscriminately and allow KKK members with a predilection for paedophilic behaviors to become prison warders.
 
Note. Because of the current lack of institutional racism, laws are made on a regular basis to prevent it. The school system is a good place to find the same. Would it be that lawmakers are mad in making laws to fix problems that do not exists? Brown v Board of Education is 60 plus. Has it stopped the achievement gap?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 6, 2018 - 7:46am
@Tom. About 73% of the nation's teachers are Whites and they teach majority minority children. Like you, many of them are decent and offer quality education that will cause said children to compete against White children and become doctors, lawyers, scientists, engineers as opposed to offering minority children the education for imprisonment.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 6, 2018 - 8:38am
Dr. Green, you said show me where I used white shaming.  You started your comment with paragraph that is white shaming and you do not even know it.  You do it without thinking, or rather that is how you think, see the world.   That is exactly the point the Shelby Steele, a black scholar, senior fellow at Stanford University and Columnist said in the article I cited and on last weeks 'Life, Liberty, and Levin' tv show, Sunday.   
 
Now as far as not having educated blacks, that is such a lie, isn't the leader of the civil rights movement  'rev. Dr. Martin Luther King'! 
 
Your starting paragraph beside trying to white shame us is also an example of institutional racism.  The hospital was allowed to discriminate with the blessing of government and I would guess a law in the state also sanctioned it.   
 
Want to do something Dr Green that root out institutional racism and start is the Democratic cities.   Nothing will improve until black boys are taught to be responsible individuals in the image of men that made up Dr Martin Luther King's non-violent civil rights movement.    PS: wanting boy to have the characteristic of the strong black women is going to fail.   Simply humans have evolved with men and women having different responsibilities in families and communities. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 6, 2018 - 8:49am
Dr. Green education is a primary problem of institutional racism.  The goal of education is to first teach socialism which is rooted in creating a class society.   Racism is the name of the barriers between the lower and upper classes when race is the method of creating classes.  The race of the teachers is not the point.  What is the most important things being taught is the real point.  
 
Both Tyron and Michael were following the principles taught to them in their education in the class room and on the street by others also taught  from the same system. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 6, 2018 - 8:55am
@Thomas.
 
"Want to do something Dr Green that root out institutional racism and start is the Democratic cities.   Nothing will improve until black boys are taught to be responsible individuals in the image of men that made up Dr Martin Luther King's non-violent civil rights movement.    PS: wanting boy to have the characteristic of the strong black women is going to fail.   Simply humans have evolved with men and women having different responsibilities in families and communities. "
 
 
Excellent point on which we can agree. The pussification of boys in school is a terrible thing. I like Malcolm X.
 
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 6, 2018 - 9:18am
Black boys, who grow a little faster, sexually mature a little faster, and have higher testosterone than other races should be treated differently - based on their racial differences (on average).
 
My solution is that black boys should be "together" in a segregated school.  Further, they boys should be taught ONLY BY BLACK MEN.
 
Even further, there should be a strong firm hand from the men, perhaps including corporal punishment.  
 
The boys have to run and play and burn off energy before they are ready for learning.  Additionally, learning can be done with movement, which studies shows is effective for black boys in particular.  
 
This is not pie in the sky.  Why?  Because blacks as a protected class could more easily start a charter skoool like this, than any other race.
 
But, there is the rub, blacks - especially black women, are not going to agitate for her child to be educated by a black man.  They hate black men and think they are only sperm donors.
 
Jesse Lee Peterson has a youtube show where he discusses the problems with black women and the black community:
 
Jesse Lee
 
All of these "Blame Whitey" attacks are programmed memories into black brains, starting with W.E.B Dubois and his Jewish handlers.  
 
The loss of family, the turning of black boys into little "mommy girls" is a very serious charge.  
Rusty Smith Added Sep 6, 2018 - 10:41am
In most cases horrible cultural prejudices pretty much disappear in two generations. As an example, most of the Americans that lived through WW2 hated everything Japanese and German for their whole lives. I grew up knowing adults who didn't want to talk to or even be around Asian people and wouldn't even consider buying a German car because it was German. Their kids may have grown up listening to their rants, but most didn't share their values and didn't think twice about associating with Japanese people or buying German cars if they could afford them. Their grandchildren grew up with no ill will towards Japanese or German people, many hardly even know the history.

Prejudices against black people are different, not because what was done was worse but because here in America we've done so much to keep it alive and pass it on to successive generations, instead of letting it become a thing of the past and just die.
 
Todays blacks do everything they can to revive all the hard feelings by constantly accusing contemporary whites of being evil racists. Young Americans don't grow up with little or no real understanding of what was done to the Africans who were brought here as slaves, they are taught about and have those injustices held against THEM with strong open hostility, on a regular basis.
 
No one thinks about the fact that less than 1% of the current white population can trace their ancestry to a slave owner, instead they damn all whites for injustices that 99% have no link to and wouldn't even think about if blacks just let it die.
 
Most modern resentment of blacks has no historical basis, it's a contemporary result of the black community's ongoing attacks that alienate them from all the people they attack.
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 6, 2018 - 11:56am
Rusty,
As usual, your worldview is easily challenged, because it is not real.
 
In most cases horrible cultural prejudices pretty much disappear in two generations. As an example, most of the Americans that lived through WW2 hated everything Japanese and German for their whole lives. 
 
The demonization of German's happened through the press.  Propaganda was shown to be effective.  How is it that the American public was pro-german, then suddenly wasn't. This happened in a blink of the eye, before the war. This idea that people are sheep and can be easily maneuvered through "scientific big lies" is a proven historical fact.  By the way, it was Jewish propaganda methods that were used, as this methodology is central to the tribes own evolutionary in-group mechanisms.  Big lies and herding of sheeple doesn't come naturally to pathological altruist whites.
 
Anti-Semitism persists generation to generation because of Jewish behavior.  It is real and doesn't go away after two generations. Anybody with more than a fourth grade education can see this if they bother to look. Zion also encourages anti-semitism in order to keep the tribe cohered.
 
Racism towards blacks can also be a function of proximity.  We know that 2/3 of a person is genetic.  This idea of a tabula rasa blank slate, where everybody is the same is provably wrong.  There are differences in the races and sexes.
 
Blacks evolved separately, especially in Sub-Sahara for over 10,000 years.  It is beyond preposterous to assume that higher criminality, higher impassivity, lower future thinking, lower abstract thinking (including mathematics) is a problem with environment, when these patterns persist everywhere blacks settle.  
 
In other words, modern resentment of blacks has historical basis in terms of evolutionary differences.  
 
I wouldn't even call it resentment, I would call it friction.  The friction is a function of differential races living in the same environment, which is why I am for segregation.  
 
In the workplace, the races can work side by side, but neighborhoods that want to,  should be allowed to segregate.
 
Because of these differences it is more than fair to treat blacks as a separate racial cohort, with their own unique problems and behaviors.  In fact, it is cruel not to.  
 
Here is a black pastor laying  the wood to his congregation, forcing them to face up to reality.  (I aslo encourage white people to stop sniffing the glue.)
 
no enduring city
 
 
 
Rusty Smith Added Sep 6, 2018 - 12:13pm
MEFOBILLS I don't see the support for your claim:  "Rusty,
As usual, your worldview is easily challenged, because it is not real.", in what you wrote.
 
I'm not sure if you're suggesting the Generation that fought in WW2 didn't hate Germans or trying to say that hate didn't go away over time by itself, but they did back then and few of their grandchildren feel the same way.
 
Jews in this country have never been hated like the Germans and Japanese were during WW2, they are no more frequently despised or discriminated against than people of other religions, by the vast majority of the public.  There are Catholics that dislike Protestants and even Christians that discriminate against anyone who is not Christian, but the overall American public never had a problem with Jews and Jews never had a problem with most Americans or are asking for preferential treatment to remedy past wrongs against them.
 
I don't understand your claim that there is an evolutionary aspect to what your call the friction between blacks and whites.  Please explain and illustrate what that means and how we can see it's true. 
 
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 6, 2018 - 12:39pm
Rusty, at the time of WW1 and 2, the country was 90% white, of that demographic, a substantial portion was of German descent.
 
When the united states decided to turn to war, it then unleashed internal propaganda.  The media constantly demonized Germany and German's.  Of course there were too many Germans to put into camps for their own safety.  Japanese COULD be rounded up because there were so few.  The island of Hawaii was issued its unique money, as the Island could be isolated.  (It turns out the Japanese on Hawaii were never a problem- also Hawaii wasn't a state until 1958.)
 
Jews in this country have never been hated like the Germans and Japanese were during WW2,
 
Of course not, Jews were running the press organs and had already infiltrated the highest levels of government by this time.  Jews were hated enough in 1926 (by Congress) to cause an immigration cut-off, because they were trying to Bolshevize the country.
 
There are Catholics that dislike Protestants and even Christians that discriminate against anyone who is not Christian, 
 
YES.  And so?  Catholics had a doctrine of not harming the Jew and conversely, Jews were limited from harming others.  This was eminently fair, but has since gone into the memory hole.
 
Jewish revolutionary spirit
 
Friction between groups is KNOWN to cause societal break down and low trust.  
 
Putnam
 
Putnam is a liberal who still doesn't want to deal with his own data.  People now "bowl alone" rather than become civic because of tribalism.    
 
Racial differences cause extended tribalism.  The "other" is obviously different in looks AND BEHAVIOR.  As Putnam puts it, people "turtle"   they pull in their heads and hunker down.  Or, there is white flight.
 
Do you deny white flight happens?  Denial is not pretty.
Rusty Smith Added Sep 6, 2018 - 12:51pm
MEFOBILLS all the people I knew who hated Germans intensely were in the military during WW2 and I used them as a comparison to what blacks experienced when slavery was still practiced in the US.
 
There is no comparison between being a slave or fighting in a war and listening to propaganda in our news media.  No news media could make us hate the way slavery and war did, or cure us of that hate, only personal experiences and time do that.
 
You asked about white flight, and I remember it well but can't think of a contemporary instance where it's happened.  Today you can't scare people into moving by getting a black family to move in next door, they won't care.  Want to get them to move, you need to move in other things that are real problems like crime... or high taxes!
Gregory S. McNeill Added Sep 6, 2018 - 12:55pm
Reverend Williams was wrong and he had disrespected the Franklin Family. As for Farrakhan being at the funeral, he was invited by the family to be there and was very respectful. Contact the Family for yourself. 
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 6, 2018 - 1:26pm
Rusty,
The war was started by finance capitalism, and to get American's to fight required propaganda - much of it intense.  That they hated Germans is a Yawner - of course they did.  They were programmed to do so.  
 
There is no comparison between being a slave or fighting in a war and listening to propaganda in our news media. 
 
Being a chattel slave was better than getting shot at on the German front lines.  This idea that slavery was so horrible is another implanted memory.  Most African's lived in grass huts, and were eating each other.  Their lives were not that of the "noble savage."  That is you with more false programming learned since birth.
 
You can easily overcome the slave myth in your mind by looking up black population growth rates and overlaying it to white rates.  Then you will notice something peculiar, black increases were in proportion if not faster than white increases - and whites had immigration from europe as well.    If it was so horrible, then why so much black population increase?  In evolutionary terms - that is called success.
 
Please, start thinking for yourself.  Critical thinking is in short supply enough now as it is.  It is not helpful to pass on shibboleths.
 
You asked about white flight, and I remember it well but can't think of a contemporary instance where it's happened.
 
know you aren't reading my posts, as your brain is already calcified into a group think.  Here is a history of using blacks to then rip apart ethnic enclaves.
 
slaughter of cities
 
With regards to white flight, you can see it today in outlying suburbs where people flee the mostly black inner cities.  Then blacks who can afford it flee to the suburbs as well because they cannot stand living among other blacks.  
 
Go back and watch Pastor Manning and "no enduring city" and he tells his congregation straight up how blacks leave the areas they are in.
 
Sorry if real history and reality is butt-hurting.  But it is worse for you to be passing along false shibboleths.
 
Rusty Smith Added Sep 6, 2018 - 1:45pm
MEFOBILLS your own examples are not of white flight, but rather people moving to enjoy a better life.  As  you point out blacks also leave the inner cities when they can afford to, that's certainly not bigoted white flight.
 
Any city that becomes a slum will see most of it's more successful residents leave when they can afford to.
 
White flight was when bigoted whites moved because they thought blacks were moving into their neighborhood and left because they disliked the blacks and thought they would turn the neighborhood into a slum and destroy home values.  Blockbusting  was a real estate tactic, move a few blacks into a white neighborhood and then buy up fearful white people's homes.  That doesn't happen today, it wouldn't work even if you tried to do it.  
 
There were also laws that forbid white people from selling their  homes to blacks, and it was often written in the deed.  Those don't exist either.
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 6, 2018 - 2:16pm
Rusty,
You are making things up.  Did you have time to view and comprehend "slaughter of the cities?"  Like I said, you have already made up your mind about things, this is typical of older people with calcified brain pathways.  To challenge your life long shibboleths is too hard and frightening.
 
your own examples are not of white flight, but rather people moving to enjoy a better life.  As  you point out blacks also leave the inner cities when they can afford to, that's certainly not bigoted white flight.
 
THE ETHNIC ENCLAVES WERE STABLE ENTITIES WHERE PEOPLE WANTED TO LIVE.  White flight then occurred when southern blacks were purposefully introduced.  
 
Blacks leave the inner cities because they soil their own crib.  They shit in their own playpen.  As Pastor Manning points out, whenever you get more than 300 blacks together, you get a ghetto.  This is racial, as blacks have NEVER built an enduring city.  They are not builders.  
 
Blacks actually need help, which is why they flee each other and congregate in white areas - if allowed.  Plutocrats have long used Blacks as agents of destruction.  Slaughter of the Cities lays it out exactly.  Watch it if you dare, but I know you won't.  You would rather spout off and endanger your readers with BS.
 
The NAACP was started up by Jews to then use blacks as agents of destruction.  
 
People aren't born anti-semites, or bigoted.  They are either taught or they learn by proximity.  If blacks tend to behave in a certain way, or Jews tend to be predatory, then anybody sensible would notice a pattern.  Noticing patterns is OK, it is a survival mechanism.
 
People that don't notice the patterns have something wrong with their brain function.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 6, 2018 - 2:38pm
Dr Green please help me.  How does your ' I like Malcolm X.' fit with what you quote from me and you were answering? <<Nothing will improve until black boys are taught to be responsible individuals in the image of men that made up Dr Martin Luther King's non-violent civil rights movement. >> 
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 6, 2018 - 3:30pm
Mefobills, now all boy have high testosterone so I do not accept your solution for black boys instead of all boys.
 
Mefobills, why are you attacking black women? Where did you get this crap, "They hate black men and think they are only sperm donors." I said consistently that Uncle Sam has replace the 'sperm donor' as the bread winner taking his position in the family. Uncle Sam is very willing to be the bread winner to get the vote of any race or religion.
 
Rusty, so long as white shaming works McNeill, Green, etc. will continue to do it, but it is not effective as they continue to shrink.
 
Gregory, A. Franklin knew J. Williams all her life, ALL. She know the end was coming. She could pick anyone. The funnel service was constructed by the Franklin Family. Do you think she wanted a 7 hour service? I would like to see the family present her outline for that service? If they can not then the family is the one that is disrespectful.
 
Rusty, to get a human to murder another human which is against every religion including Islam requires that first you need to make the enemy less then human, a non-human. Every war is a fight against humans on one side and non-humans on the other.  Slavery and a class society to exist requires the same view of other humans. The level of being human is determined by one's class.  When they reach the lowest level non-human their life is worth nothing and a human can kill them.  We have experienced many Holocaust for this reason.  Abortion on demand occurs because the baby is not human if attached to the mother by an umbilical cord.  Germany killed Jews,  Muslims kill non-muslims, Hutus kill Tutsi, etc. since those they kill were first made non-human.
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 6, 2018 - 5:10pm
I get a little angry when known facts are dismissed.  It is a form of lying.
 
Young black boys HAVE MORE TESTOSTERONE.  Make an effort and look up the science.  I should not have to do it for you.  
 
They also sit up earlier, walk earlier, and have slightly less time in the womb.  
 
I do not accept your solution for black boys instead of all boys.
 
Yes, it would good for white boys too.  It's fatal for black boys to be taught by white women (or black women) to sit there patiently and receive didactic instruction. 
 
Black girls walk by the young blacks and wave their titties and asses in their faces, and talk about sex constantly.  In the early years being around girls is bad due to the nature of the teaching, and in post puberty years it is insane.  
 
Mefobills, why are you attacking black women? Where did you get this crap, "They hate black men and think they are only sperm donors."
 
Did you bother to watch any of Jesse's videos.  He is plugged into the black community, while you are pontificating from afar.  I gave you the link - do your homework.
 
Yes, absolutely ... black women are constantly degrading black men.  They even call them baby daddies instead of fathers.  
 
Here is a link to one of his videos, you can search for others, especially where he debates call-ins.  Listen closely to the women and their views.    
 
vote
 
 
 
Rusty Smith Added Sep 6, 2018 - 6:09pm
MEFOBILLS You clearly live in a different world than I do as illustrated by your belief that blacks are so different that black boys need to be segregated.  
 
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree because I watched the video you recommended and just don't buy all that conspiracy stuff.  It reminds me of religious explanations that put man and the Earth in the center of the universe.  They sound believable on the surface but are completely inconsistent with reality.
 
I tend to believe simple things that use mechanisms I can see at work, like people moving when they can afford a better place.  I don't blame testosterone levels for bad behavior, at my age I know there is variation and even when my own caused me problems by being a little too high, never thought that was a good excuse for misbehaving.  When I see generational poverty I don't blame attributes that are genetic, I blame cultural values because I realize where those values exist, poverty flourishes regardless of skin color.
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 6, 2018 - 6:38pm
Rusty,
I live in the real world, which is informed by data from history and from science.
 
Personal anecdotes are poor logic.  Your own personal experiences are not big picture, and are thus compromised.  Exception makes the rule illogic can enter the picture.
 
Also by using the word "conspiracy" is an attempt to dismiss the real points that I make.  It is not a conspiracy - it is you making vain attempts to dismiss what is provable.  People that want to ignore reality have a problem - its not my problem, its you.
 
If you want confirmation bias, then collect a bunch of people around you and then make yourself feel comfortable.  But, just remember, there are those of us among whom your shibbleths will gain no traction.  
 
I tend to believe simple things that use mechanisms I can see at work, like people moving when they can afford a better place. 
 
You still didn't read "slaughter of the cities" and are unwilling to confront your own personal belief system, even when shown wrong.  
 
In your world, black boys can go on being raised by Mom's, which is clearly detrimental to them.  In your world black boys can go to jail and lead shattered lives because it is easier to look the other way.
 
Go ahead and watch some Peterson videos and get down and dirty with the blacks - you have to leave your ivory tower of BS.
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 6, 2018 - 6:50pm
By the way, the Parkman interview I linked to also shows the shallow nature of Liberal thinking.  
Women's voting patterns CAN BE ANALYZED and then the effects can be quantified.  
 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 6, 2018 - 7:54pm
Mefobill so are you telling us that Micheal Brown charged a policeman with a gun because Young black boys HAVE MORE TESTOSTERONE?  Or that Trayvon Martin pushed down and then jumped on top and then starting to slam his head on the sidewalk because Young black boys HAVE MORE TESTOSTERONE?  How about the black on black drive by shooting and crime mostly committed by Young black boys HAVE MORE TESTOSTERONE? 
 
Please connect Young black boys HAVE MORE TESTOSTERONE with actions with study data and show that race has a measurable effect.  I didn't question that young boys have testosterone when they reach puberty.   You didn't present data to back up your words.  I as a reader do not have to disprove.  I didn't question the separation of the sexes in school.  Jesse Waters or any filtered video is meaningless. I can make any results seem to be the norm by cutting and splicing together video given enough raw video.
 
I also want to understand where the sex of a teach makes a difference.  The sex of the teach is less important that what is taught.  It is obvious that our children are not taught the history of how the colonies arrived at the only solution being a revolution.  How they arrived at the content of the Declaration of Independence and why the articles of confederation didn't work.  Why the colonies had conventions to discuss shared problems.  Why the called for a convention that created the Constitution.  The Federalist papers and the Anti-Federalist papers was a discussion before the people voted to approve or reject the Constitution.  And finally the Farewell address of Washington.   Our children are taught socialism and even Marxism.  They are taught political correctness which is a nice way of saying suppression of free speech.
 
 
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 6, 2018 - 8:10pm
Not only do they have more testosterone, there is less impulse control.  Our forefathers knew this, it is only progressive "moderns" that have convinced themselves otherwise, despite the data.
 
This less impulse control is an evolutionary thing that was passed onto those tribes who survived the fourth ice ages.  Those tribes that did not run this gauntlet didn't evolve for abstract thinking, counting, or forward time concepts.  
 
This is why blacks, and "australian aboriginals" should get different treatment than those tribes that DID go through this evolutionary bottleneck.  
 
In general, the southern hemisphere is moving to the north.  Why?  Because the south is less "ice age" adapted and likes the technology that the "north" invents, develops and produces.  
 
The two most ice age adapted tribes are the Hans (northeastern asians) and northwestern caucasoids.  
 
IQ breaks along racial lines.  Crime is inverse to IQ.
 
Han Asian (highest IQ)
White
Mestizo
Black
 
Crime:
Black (Highest Crime)
Mestizo
White
Han
 
This is all well known.  There is an entire branch of science called HBD, but it is suppressed by the press.  With regards to crime statistics those have been reported by FBI, and the latest compilation is "color of crime."
 
It is just YOU who hasn't got the memo.... and you say I am the ill informed one?
 
And this sex doesn't matter idea?  What?  Boys respond to male teachers differently, this is known and not worthy of debate.  I feel like I'm talking to people from the planet whacko.
 
 
 
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 6, 2018 - 8:16pm
Sorry, more ice age adapted = more impulse control.  The Han's have shaming cultures because they are so ice age adapted.  
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 6, 2018 - 8:25pm
Mefobills, Jessie Waters would put you on TV in his sidewalk interviews.   Keep up the good work.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 6, 2018 - 9:56pm
@Mefobill. "Blacks evolved separately, especially in Sub-Sahara for over 10,000 years.  It is beyond preposterous to assume that higher criminality, higher impassivity, lower future thinking, lower abstract thinking (including mathematics) is a problem with environment, when these patterns persist everywhere blacks settle.  "
 
Please watch this.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 6, 2018 - 9:59pm
@ Thomas. "Dr Green please help me.  How does your ' I like Malcolm X.' fit with what you quote from me and you were answering? <<Nothing will improve until black boys are taught to be responsible individuals in the image of men that made up Dr Martin Luther King's non-violent civil rights movement. >> "
 
As some Whites choose David Duke compared to Billy Graham, I choose Malcolm X over Dr. King.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 6, 2018 - 10:04pm
@MefoBills. " 
My solution is that black boys should be "together" in a segregated school.  Further, they boys should be taught ONLY BY BLACK MEN."
 
I agree with you to a certain degree. See this.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 7, 2018 - 8:00am
So, Dr. Green are you saying that in the above statement you believe that Malcolm X will fit in my statement.  I do not recall Malcolm X being non-violent.  Isn't violence a big problem and those that are violence do not respect other humans.  Drive by spraying of bullets that kill innocent people is disrespect for others.  
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 7, 2018 - 8:58am
Birth of a Nation outlined violence in America. No one was singing kumbaya as they "borrowed" lands from the native Americans and humanity from Blacks.
MEFOBILLS Added Sep 7, 2018 - 9:40am
Green,
There is no reason why evolution cannot work on the "select" blacks, say from the school you mention.  White people don't want to be like Jesse Jackson:
 
“There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps... then turn around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”
 
That is the bottom line.
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 7, 2018 - 9:49am
What does the conquering of America that finished in the decades after the Civil War have to do with 'mini racism' and 'white shaming', the failure of the NFL players to shame whites because America citizens have not practiced racism in decades as a population? 
 
What does it have to do with decades of institutional racism that is still being practices as a piece of building a class society.  The black community has the power in their vote to end institutional racism.  Yet as the NFL plays have shown blacks believe in the myth of the white population as racist.  The proof is undeniable that American society is no dominated by bigots.  Those that work to build a class society are economic bigots not racist.
Rusty Smith Added Sep 7, 2018 - 11:12am
Thomas Sutrina the black community has been working hard to create racism today, so that they can blame it for their own failures.
 
That is most often seen in poor black communities that embrace lifestyle choices that result in generational poverty.  Instead of fighting to make themselves better they kick back and blame racism for their miserable lot in life.
 
Their focus in life is on events that prove racism is still alive, instead of striving to make themselves better so they can rise above it like Obama did.
 
Everyone I know has faced discrimination at some time in their life, but the ones who escape poverty brush it aside and take advantage of every opportunity they can find to better themselves.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 7, 2018 - 11:53am
Great, Rusty,  I think it is a little more nuance to it.  They are exchanging the truth for a lie because it is easier to live with, they do not have to take individual, personal responsibility.
 
The black poor communities, and I do not fault them, are given a choice of the easy path of welfare for the present and at least in the beginning did not know the negative long term effects.  Understand that most of the community were not facing the choice of welfare or much more difficult decisions. Welfare let some achieve a want, for example a child to love, without the negative of not finding a man that loved you or facing your parents and grandparent with being pregnant or getting a women pregnant.  That option was not available in the south of Dr. King.  The choice of welfare became so available and easy that more chose it and the community had to accept it.  Dr. King's south was far less accepting.  This Rusty is what I want to add to your great second paragraph.  You get to the bottom line where I ramble on, my wife and three daughters still tell me to stop.
 
Rusty, I consider choosing Marxism is not an action that raises anyone including Obama.   It is a selfish choice of going after the golden ring and not carrying how many bodies you step on.  History is full of examples.  When you create a class society you always create a classes that are for stepping upon.
 
There is no magic answer and I surely do not have any.  But one can only start when the right questions are openly discussed in the black community.  Micro racism a good starting point.  Working back from the persons driving and pulling the trigger that spray bullets into a gathering of innocent people because one enemy is there.  That is a good starting point.  
Gregory S. McNeill Added Sep 7, 2018 - 2:26pm
Thomas,
I have stated that you are wrong. Kaepernick is continuing what people like Dr. John Carlos and Tommie Smith did 50 years ago.
 
Tommie Smith and John Carlos.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0H9WP6n-Zno
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZmx1BHWxWE
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 7, 2018 - 3:25pm
Gregory seem to me that Kaepernick is helping to create a class society rather then tear it down.  Nike makes it shoes in off shore sweet shops (and have been called up for this in the media an press).   You can not tell me that the price of Nike shoes is not high enough to make them in American factories with good wages for the workers?   
 
Micro racism if haven't noticed is the tactic of socialist promoters, class society promoters.    Kaepernick has proclaimed micro racism and tried to create white shame.   Who gained if he succeeded?  Who gains to deflect the public's look away from the real problem of government institutional racism?  Kaepernick is a very confused warrier that is running the wrong way on the field for the enslavement of poor blacks.     
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 7, 2018 - 3:35pm
Personally I want the American public to be looking at and asking why after the war on poverty started first with FDR social programs during the Great Depression and followed by LBJ's Great Society programs to end poverty we have blood in the streets of our cities and funerals every week for the innocent mostly black residents.
 
Poverty is concentrated in single parent households that are promoted by the welfare rules of FDR and LBJ's programs,  Why Gregory?   We know that the lack of male role models, typically in society the father, a boy is more likely to end up as a gang member and involved in crime and more likely to put a low value on other humans' lives.
 
Micro racism and white shaming is a diversion.  To change the view of Americans from the blood in our city streets.
 
   Come on Gregory disprove what I just said. 
Gregory S. McNeill Added Sep 7, 2018 - 5:54pm
You are wrong Thomas.
Everything I have said is correct. Kaepernick is protesting a systemic injustice that is ongoing ie Police Brutality, The Criminal Justice System, and Racial Profiling! Your statement is wrong! You need to educate yourself and see things from an African American perspective.
It is about People of Color having a voice! Thomas, you are a part of the problem. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 7, 2018 - 7:25pm
Gregory I like the company that share the same conclusions I have come to:  Rev. Jasper Williams, Jr., economist Dr. Walter Williams, economist Dr. Thomas Sowell, and Dr. Shelby Steele.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 7, 2018 - 8:01pm
Thomas, your level of communication, notwithstanding your ESL challenges, has a scholarly foundation. This notwithstanding, again, its use of WIKI and Fox talking points to warrant the various claims you make. However, in scholarly writings, papers that have all source supporting and none contradicting are considered to be biased.  Hence, I exhort you to deviate from those tired and dated sources or, better yer, provide some contrasting sources.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 7, 2018 - 8:18pm
So let me understand, Dr. Green, since you can not provide contrasting sources, your asking me to do your work for you.  My I point out that it took months of other searches to collect these articles.  I have done the same thing when I was working and the most successful people all do the same.   So Dr Green I believe that your successful.  Thus you should have collected contrasting articles.  If you have not then there are two possible reasons that come to mine.  There maybe others I have not come up with them. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 7, 2018 - 8:33pm
Research papers with all supporting sources are biassed. You must include contrary literature.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 7, 2018 - 9:02pm
You rightists are a real hoot.  Sutrino's narrative is typical Sutrino.  Ya know, the Sutrino is always accusing people of "beng Marxists" but can't ever say what that means.  What was FDR and the current president Barack Obama doing that makes them Marxists?  This constant stream of defining "enemies" as Marxist, Leninists, or Stalinists is standard rightist hyperbole.  Rightists can't, however define any of this.  The one that really cracks be up is calling anyone on the left, Boleshevics.  Huh?   How and what does a group existing in the teens and 1920s in Russia, have anything to do with today in America?  As Dr, Green noted. these are just moronic dog whistles to signal other rightists they are more rightist than the next rightist.  You can prove or disprove what I just said.  Say so, drivelers.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 7, 2018 - 9:51pm
Dr. Green I have read many paper and occasionally an author does discuss information that they disagree with.  It doesn't appear to be a requirement. 
 
Much of the information data is not in question.  Much of the data is public knowledge and have been known for decades.  People have come to different conclusion as you have.  I based my conclusion on the data.  You can have a different conclusion.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 8, 2018 - 12:07am
Thomas, I am done with you.  Learning is the change in behavior due to the acquisition of new knowledge. One can do three things with their existing structure when they acquire new information. How have your views changed since on WB?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 8, 2018 - 12:48am


Dr Green:  I do not think that the personal view of the layperson is as valid as the professional unless he has spent as long considering the issue, has the same skills and level of intelligence and has the same access to the facts.  This is unlikely.   More likely, as we have seen here, is that the layperson's opinion is largely fueled by pressure groups eager to muddy waters and obfuscate the facts... and which also take advantage of the human need to take short cuts in understanding issues.


 
 
The genesis of our disagreement is that you may be using biassed individuals to inform your decision. Such decision should be informed by the interaction of the reasonable person. Not all individuals here are reasonable.
 
My opinion is my opinion and you cannot convince me that my opinion that the Earth is flat carries less weight than the opinion of a Neil Amstrong who says the Earth is round.
 
Now, one would be uninformed to use my opinion, as opposed to Neil's, as the fact. How can you tell if you do not know? The way is to do the research. A simple Google search for both individuals would answer the question. The reasonable person can discern crap no matter how it is rhetorically packaged in flowery narrative. Still, a gist of your argument is: It is hard for the unexamined person to do so. Taking shortcuts and not doing the research is the bane of unexamined WBers who are taken by the very convincing con artist of a writer/plagiarizer here. Ps. Act on the facts and not the emotion. 
Ken Added Sep 8, 2018 - 2:44am
My opinion is my opinion and you cannot convince me that my opinion that the Earth is flat carries less weight than the opinion of a Neil Amstrong who says the Earth is round.
 
I have no opinion on this particular article as it isn't really in my wheelhouse other than what I have said previously, but I hope that this comment was simply uninformed comment is more something to point out your argument than an actual belief...
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 8, 2018 - 8:54am
Sorry, my previous post should be placed in an ongoing discussion I am having with Robin, not here.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 8, 2018 - 6:05pm
Dr. Green everyone has some bias.  I have tried to put fact also.   Obama won with white votes, Obama does have surrogates that say there is racism, negroes have addressed racism by a group culture, and black football players as a unified group failing to shame fans with 'micro racism.'  All facts in the article.  I paraphrased Rev Jasper Williams, Jr. and Aid to Dependent Children an FDR program is considered the major cause of the explosion in single parent poor households is out of an article about LBJ's Great Society and is part of the public in demographics.  Whittaker Chambers testified twice before Congress.  
 
Dr Green I have not found you presenting one piece to despite the facts I have presented.  You have a different conclusion but without and supporting evidence from anybody  and public record.  Your trying to discredit my conclusion by implying that since you have a PHD is some field your an expert.   Every expert I know does back up their words.    
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 8, 2018 - 6:15pm
Gregory stated the objective of the NFL players, Dr. Green, but I didn't comment on the objective of the protest.  I said that the fans didn't feel a shame and rejected them.  And I said that they did not follow up to show real commitment to their objective for protesting.  They made it hollow and selling Nike shoes is not going to change anything.