FOX: the master of spin

Fox & Friends: Trump official's NY Times op-ed "is cowardice masquerading as conscience"
Pete Hegseth: "Patriotic journalism is largely dead"

 

It doesn't get much better than this.

 

We're having a dialogue about America being protected from Trump by those around him, and the response is "They voted for the bomb-thrower who is going to disrupt things, break up the status quo, fight the establishment."

 

Right, Petey. that's exactly how it's supposed to work. Once the Electoral College makes its pick, then we basically have a king that must have his way no matter what. If Republicans happen to pick a complete nutcase, well, that's the will of the people. "We" obviously want a raging lunatic in charge, so how dare anyone try to thwart "our" intent.

 

If anyone ever thought that there could be an event that FOX could not or would not spin to protect their side, that person was clearly wrong. Can you imagine what the tone would be if someone wrote an op-ed like this about Obama? They would have confetti blasting out from the ceiling as they spoke.

 

Comments

Ken Added Sep 6, 2018 - 1:48pm
NYT would never in a million years publish an article like that, especially unsourced about Obama.  On top of that, whoever was sourced would immediately be castigated as a racist for even implying he was inept or  unqualified or anything else negative
opher goodwin Added Sep 6, 2018 - 2:08pm
Fortunately there are some sane people left.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 6, 2018 - 4:45pm
Brabantio, the media including all the major networks bought Trump the oval on the general election ballot.  If you recall they spend more money that all the candidates of any party, all the candidates combined from every party to purchase that oval to be filled in by voters on election day, or not, binary choice.   
 
The Democratic party acted undemocratic to give the oval on the general election ballot to H. R. Clinton.  They bulldozed all other candidate that had more voter appeal to place her against the media's choice,a binary choice.
 
Do not blame the voters for selection one of these two flawed candidates since the business and political powers in the nation made the choice on who was going to be on that ballot. 
 
You need to say that the 'they' is the media and the DNC in your statement,  "They voted for the bomb-thrower who is going to disrupt things, break up the status quo, fight the establishment."  They only allowed a binary choice of two flawed candidates. 
 
 We have a weak king wouldn't you say.  I will sign what ever heath care bill you put on my desk said Trump.  The problem is that the weak GOP congress couldn't put a bill on his desk.  The promise Speaker Paul Ryan made when he put a bill on Pres. Obama's desk and that obviously Senate leader Mitch McConnell joined him in that promise.  Didn't happen because the people that fill their and the members of congress, both parties, didn't want Obama Care repealed.  They wanted the bill fixed to insure their gravy train.  But the voters complained in record numbers, ~64% of the population that votes didn't want Obama Care. 
 
Trump couldn't sign a bill that was not put on his desk.  He did sign an Omnibus spending bill and after the voters again in record number complained said he will never sign another one.   Pres. Trump will get that opportunity before the election when another omnibus spending bill likely bigger then the last is put on his desk.  The swamp doesn't want six separate spending bills following order to be put on his desk.  They want all the gravy train which a single bill provides.  And yes congress will get their cut.  
 
Please explain how Pres. Trump is a king if he can not control the purse strings or get major legislation promised by both congress GOP members for 8 years through and into law?   
 
Curious mind want to know. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 6, 2018 - 5:01pm
Fox is beating the tambourines for Trump.  Hannity is the leader of them.   The problem is that those opposed to Trump are well known and thus their votes have been counted.  Those against the Socialist and thus will vote as Mark Levin often said for an orange juice can instead of a Democratic Marxist, all of them.  They are well known and thus their votes have been counted.   So we know the vote for the mid term and next general election and what is left is a tiny slice of voters not in either camp.   
 
Hannity has all the voters for Trump already watching his show. And the Opposition also are watching their favorate shows.   The slice are tired of both side just beating on the tambourines to rev up already decided voters.    
 
Trump's economic is effecting pocket books and as we know pocket books vote and the future of those pocket books effect the vote.   The rest of the issues are down the list.   The test this November will be what Congress does to show the future effect they make on those pocket books.  Supreme Court drama not playing out is not one that effects the thin slice pocket books holders.  An omnibus spending bill is one that will.  The problem is that both side will pass it so that thin slice will not learn anything.  
 
Hannity is clueless or doesn't think he can shame the congress into voting for the interest of the voters pocket book at the expense of the donors shoving money into their pockets.  So he keeps just leading the nightly  tambourine band.
Cullen Kehoe Added Sep 6, 2018 - 8:33pm
This author just wrote a post against the democratic process. 
 
The NYTimes article was nonsense if you ask me. In it, the 'senior official' said Trump wanted to assassinate Assad and the more level headed handlers stopped him.
 
Trump is practically the only world leader in the West who wants Assad alive. Trump for 2.5 years has said he's happy for Assad to stay in power and for Russia to clean up the rebels.
 
Hillary said "Assad must go" hundreds of times in the 2016 campaign. 3 quarters of the U.S. government desperately wants to fight Putin and Assad in Syria and start World War 3. Seemingly Trump is the only thing holding them back. 
 
The NyTimes article also spoke highly of John McCain. McCain went to visit the rebels in Syria shortly after the war broke out. McCain said "Assad must go" hundreds of times as well. 
 
It sounds like this person heard some gossip and, like flinging poop against a wall, flung everything he had to see what might possibly stick. 

Because the Assad portion makes absolutely no sense. If these are Republican and/or Democrat and/or Deep State handlers, they'd rejoice at the sound of Trump saying he wants to take out Assad. 
Brabantio Added Sep 6, 2018 - 8:45pm
"Please explain how Pres. Trump is a king if he can not control the purse strings or get major legislation promised by both congress GOP members for 8 years through and into law?"
 
I wasn't speaking to governmental structure at all, of course.  I know that he's not actually a king.  The point is that in the face of reports that Trump is completely bonkers, we're being told to be angry that the "will of the people" is somehow being violated.  How would the 25th Amendment ever be invoked, by this standard?  How would he be impeached, no matter what the circumstances?
 
This particular piece doesn't refer to policy, but I've seen similar arguments regarding absurd ideas such as "the wall".  While in the past, the fact that people elected a Democrat somehow never suggested that they were immune from scrutiny or that all of their ideas must be implemented.
Brabantio Added Sep 6, 2018 - 8:51pm
"NYT would never in a million years publish an article like that, especially unsourced about Obama."
 
Sort of impossible to say, since Obama didn't demonstrate instability.
 
I hear this sort of argument quite a bit, which doesn't really acknowledge any obvious differences between people.  "There weren't this many negative stories about Obama!" is another one.  Just theoretically, if Obama wasn't equivalent to Trump in that regard, then naturally you wouldn't see as many negative stories.  It implies that there must be perfect balance, while the people that make such arguments tend to then quickly claim that Obama was horrible in comparison to other presidents.
Brabantio Added Sep 6, 2018 - 9:05pm
"It sounds like this person heard some gossip and, like flinging poop against a wall, flung everything he had to see what might possibly stick."
 
If there's an objective basis for questioning the op-ed, then that would be a much better argument than saying that people voted for Trump and therefore whatever craziness he exhibits is what we're stuck with.
 
I'm not at all sure how you thought that anything in your comment supported the claim that I wrote something "against the democratic process".
Bill H. Added Sep 6, 2018 - 11:39pm
 
Trump is out of control, and all of his people know it. I suspect even Kellyanne Conway and Sarah Huckabee even have a clue, but they are forced to keep their jobs intact.
It looks like finally the process is beginning to work, and we will be saved from this attempted dictatorship.
I was actually beginning to loose faith.
opher goodwin Added Sep 7, 2018 - 8:04am
Fortunately there are a number of restrictions to prevent a megalomaniac causing too much damage. They are proving necessary.
The question is really whether the people in the Whitehouse should take matters into their own hands when they see dangerous and damaging actions?
I reckon so.
Dino Manalis Added Sep 7, 2018 - 8:38am
 Country should always come first, but Fox News staff see Trump is actually doing a good job.  Democrats and Republicans should work together to make America greater.
Johnny Fever Added Sep 7, 2018 - 9:34am
"Obama didn't demonstrate instability."
 
Sending $1.7 billion dollars to Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism, without notifying the American people, is the definition of instability.  Oh and by the way, to help hide what he was doing he wired $1.3 billion in 13 installments of $99,999,999.99 in order to avoid detection.  The other $400 million was send in cash on an airplane.  Would you like some more examples of Obama‚Äôs instability? 
Brabantio Added Sep 7, 2018 - 9:49am
Johnny, we owed that money.  If your go-to example of "instability" is paying a debt to a country just because we don't really like them all that much, then you probably don't have an argument to make.  Where do you go from there, claiming that he really thought that there were sixty states?
 
Incidentally, I find your picture odd, since that's "Andy Travis".
George N Romey Added Sep 7, 2018 - 11:20am
I'm no Trump supporter (I think he's a buffoon) but the electoral college is the system will have used to vote in President.  Trump won by the rules of the system.  Get over it.  Both parties have had well over 200 years to change the system and neither have.
 
Our constitution limits what a President can do.  Trump may try to sound like a King but will never have King powers.  Unfortunately our House and Senate have been no better than our Presidents.
 
I think Bill Clinton did some good things and while a stooge of the power elite I think he had some concern for the average citizen.  JFK, Eisenhower and FDR too.  Truman was another buffoon.  The rest of them were nothing more than pawns of the .01%.  Trump is many ways is an enigma. Yes he's part of the .01% but has never been invited into their clubby little circle, even back in his more rational days of the 80s and 90s.  I can't figure out if that has made him jealous or he really does hate the establishment.  Probably a mixture of booth.
Brabantio Added Sep 7, 2018 - 11:44am
I wasn't really making a comment about the Electoral College there, but I find it odd that we're not supposed to complain about such an outdated and discriminatory idea simply because the two parties that it benefits haven't changed it.  I've opposed it since long before 2000, and since then my position has only been validated.
 
As I said above, I know that Trump isn't actually a king.  What I'm saying is that concerns about mental stability are supposed to be brushed away because "the people" wanted him to be in office.  That doesn't really allow for any way of removing him from office under any circumstances, and that's just not how it's supposed to work.
George N Romey Added Sep 7, 2018 - 12:00pm
Our constitution makes it very hard to remove a President, again for some good reasons.  Trump won't be the first person in the Office of President with questionable mental and physical health.  FDR should have never run for a 4th term.  He would have lived longer had he supported Henry Wallace and bowed out.  Instead it led the way for Truman which the growing Secret State knew could be fooled very easily.  We'd be living in a very different world and country today if the Secret State and its desire for hegemony had been squashed at the end of WW2.
Brabantio Added Sep 7, 2018 - 12:14pm
Certainly, having a high standard for removal is appropriate.  It's when the entire idea is presented as somehow undemocratic or anti-American that I have concerns.
Gregory S. McNeill Added Sep 7, 2018 - 1:39pm
Fox News is a horrible news organization. They are very biased and racist. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 7, 2018 - 2:20pm
Gregory here you go spouting 'micro-racism.'  The dumbest American knows that Obama was elected twice not by the black vote but by the white votes since ~ 14% of the population is black.   A racist America wouldn't elect Obama.   Demographic that view Fox median age is ~ 60.  They weren't educated by today's socialist educators and they also vote, so Obama got some of their votes also.   
 
Taking another view of the myth, the Nike ad with colin Kaepernick that targets the young that were fed socialism in school.  The fans which are more diverse didn't by 'white shaming' using the race card from rich black NFL players, also fed socialism in school.
 
WB audience seem not to buy 'white shaming' and 'micro-racism' that a few of the author's put out.
Flying Junior Added Sep 8, 2018 - 3:48am
Cullen Kehoe,
 
You have wrongly attributed Bob Woodward's assertion that Trump wished to assassinate Assad to the author of the NYT Op-Ed.
Flying Junior Added Sep 8, 2018 - 3:58am
A racist America wouldn't elect Obama.   
 
Nice try, Thomas.
 
Perhaps you have reason.  The election of Barack Hussein Obama was widely seen as proof that the U.S.A. had finally come to terms with systemic and institutionalized racism.  Did you vote for him?  I sure did, even though I supported HRC.
 
And you are kidding yourself if you believe that black Americans had little to do with his election.  Black Americans are the most reliable and dependable democratic voters.  They voted 88% for HRC last time around.  They turned out in record numbers to assure his ascendency to the presidency of the United States.
 
But what seems to elude you completely is the backlash of the election of the first black American president.  Couple that with the misogyny of the Hillary haters.  The success of BHO energized the hardcore right-wing as nothing that the Bush family ever could have done.  Trump rallied the support of the KKK, David Duke and the alt-right.
 
And he did exactly nothing to disavow the support of racist groups.  They were an essential part of his base and he needed them to win.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 8, 2018 - 6:14am
While I agree DUHmerica isn't at all good paying its debts why would Barry Soetoro pay that particular debt in the sneaky manner it was executed? 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 8, 2018 - 6:58am
I think the human brain cannot even process information if it is not presented as "good for you" or "good for your group". Show me journalist without spin and I show you a barking cat.
Brabantio Added Sep 8, 2018 - 8:48am
"While I agree DUHmerica isn't at all good paying its debts why would Barry Soetoro pay that particular debt in the sneaky manner it was executed?"
 
Since we know that we owed them the money, why would the manner of payment make you suspicious about the nature of the payment?  Is it possible that he was trying to avoid criticism from the type of person that calls him "Barry Soetoro"?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 8, 2018 - 8:54am
from the type of person that calls him "Barry Soetoro"?
 
What kind of person is that? 
 
Brabantio Added Sep 8, 2018 - 9:03am
"What kind of person is that?"
 
In my experience, one that lacks reason.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 8, 2018 - 9:30am
Sad to read of your very limited experience  
Brabantio Added Sep 8, 2018 - 9:35am
"Sad to read of your very limited experience"
 
So far, you're not really trying to expand the range of my experience.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 8, 2018 - 9:41am
So far you haven't demonstrated your worthiness of my time. 
Brabantio Added Sep 8, 2018 - 10:11am
That's amusing.  You don't try to reason with people that disagree with you, then you bemoan the fact that my experience with people like you is that you're not reasonable.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Sep 8, 2018 - 1:09pm
So, NYT, CNN, ABC, CBS do not spin??
 
Really?
 
I didn't  know that so thanx for helping me sort this out. 
 
I will rush out and burn a fox. 
Brabantio Added Sep 8, 2018 - 2:42pm
"So, NYT, CNN, ABC, CBS do not spin??"
 
Not nearly to the same degree, no.   That would be a tu quoque argument, in any event, but it's not even close.
Thomas Sutrina Added Sep 8, 2018 - 6:33pm
Fly Junior, the is a wrong concluding, "The election of Barack Hussein Obama was widely seen as proof that the U.S.A. had finally come to terms with systemic and institutionalized racism. "  Individuals vote not institutions.  So the vote only is a direct measurement of individual racism.   
 
The vast majority of people are not effected by institutional racism which eliminates any connection.   Those that receive welfare do not want it to end so will vote to continue racism so long as not other solution is presented.   I is a fact that people have committed crimes in order to get fed in jail.    This was a better option then starving to death.  
 
Junior you can not speak for me and here you have done  a poor job of it, "you are kidding yourself if you believe that black Americans had little to do with his election.  Black Americans are the most reliable and dependable democratic voters.  They voted 88% for HRC last time around."  In fact every Democratic candidate since the second term of FDR receive their vote.    They are concentrated in the cities.  Hillary won the cities where the Black vote can win.  She lost because she didn't get enough white votes in rural areas.   That is my point Junior. 
 
The KKK (which is a democrat organization) and Duke is laughable.  Not worth commenting on.
 
What back lash Obama had less votes the second term and Hillary had even less.  The GOP votes were flat.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 9, 2018 - 1:55am
then you bemoan the fact that my experience
 
Finding you unworthy is decidedly NOT bemoaning. 
 
Off you go soyboy, mind the gap between train and platform. BUH-Bye. 
 
Cullen Kehoe Added Sep 9, 2018 - 6:57am
@Flying Junior - You are correct. As I was reading the op-ed, there is a link in the article about other officials in the Trump Admin which is sourced from Bob Woodward's book. In there, it's allegedly Trump wanted to assassinate Assad. So that assertion comes from Woodward, not the anonymously written op-ed. 
Brabantio Added Sep 9, 2018 - 12:10pm
"Finding you unworthy is decidedly NOT bemoaning."
 
Whenever you find the courage to make an argument, I'm ready.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Sep 9, 2018 - 1:16pm
Brabantio
 
""So, NYT, CNN, ABC, CBS do not spin??"
 
Not nearly to the same degree, no.   That would be a tu quoque argument, in any event, but it's not even close."

 
No bias?? 
 
A True Believer speaks........
Brabantio Added Sep 9, 2018 - 2:26pm
What part of "not nearly to the same degree" did you find confusing?
Flying Junior Added Sep 11, 2018 - 5:54am
Granny Standing For Truth weighs in:
 
The op-ed piece and Woodard's book aren't new revelations. Anyone with a thinking brain or common sense knows that Trump is crazier than a road lizard and dangerous. Hundreds of psychiatrist warned people that Trump wasn't playing with a full deck and that he's dangerous. The GOP knew that too. It wasn't top secret. And it's gonna get worse.

They are scared of him. Politicians are being threatened.

Something about the op-ed smells fishy to me. The person is so-called dropping a dime on one hand but praising Trump's draconian policies on the other hand. He is telling people what's obvious and what everyone already knows but a little too gleeful in making sure that those draconian policies go through so he can get his cut of the bounty. My guess is Rudy,Trump or Trump's family leaked the op-ed. It's a plant/setup. Well, what's in the dark will surely come to the light.

The Trump administration makes Nixon look like a choir boy.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 13, 2018 - 7:23am
@Brabantio. "We're having a dialogue about America being protected from Trump by those around him, and the response is "They voted for the bomb-thrower who is going to disrupt things, break up the status quo, fight the establishment."
 
I will totally agree with whom the American people voted for as their current president and their wisdom in doing so if "bomb-thrower" in above is modified to read F bomb-thrower.  From the way I see it, under Obama, Americans' rights were being eroded in a manner akin to the frog being killed by a slow heating of the water. (It enjoyed the process leading up to its death.)
 
Trump's victory evidence the uninitiatedness of the highly educated Democrats he ran against. He was the only one who knew that Electoral College votes win the presidency. The ignorance of those claiming protecting American from Trump is glaring.
 
All Americans have long been protected from the inkling of a southbound president by the bureaucrats. If a president tries to make a law that the civil servants do not like, they could drag their feet ( e.g., taking 6 months to find a pen, and the 6 to find the paper) to the extent a president may be out of office before getting the chance to pass the law. Being a Trump supporter, I am leery that the president is firing or castigating the bureaucrats--this level of additional protection.
 
Do you want laws akin to the poisonous chicken being sold in supermarkets--a chick today and a hormone-enhanced grown fowl tomorrow?
Laws must have been given the time to be deliberated on before their enactment.
Brabantio Added Sep 13, 2018 - 1:33pm
"I will totally agree with whom the American people voted for as their current president and their wisdom in doing so if "bomb-thrower" in above is modified to read F bomb-thrower."
 
It's not my quote to modify.
 
"From the way I see it, under Obama, Americans' rights were being eroded in a manner akin to the frog being killed by a slow heating of the water."
 
Such as what?
 
"He was the only one who knew that Electoral College votes win the presidency."
 
Please spare me this idiotic and demonstrably false talking point.  Seriously.  Hillary campaigned in the states that she lost, and had she won in Wisconsin and not Pennsylvania, then it would be just as arguable that Wisconsin was a sure thing and she was stupid for not spending more time in Pennsylvania.  I'm sure she could have had a better strategy, but give it a rest with this sort of tripe.  Thank you.
 
"Laws must have been given the time to be deliberated on before their enactment."
 
What does this have to do with anything?
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 13, 2018 - 3:23pm
@ brabantio. ""From the way I see it, under Obama, Americans' rights were being eroded in a manner akin to the frog being killed by a slow heating of the water."
 
Such as what?  Surely you have not forgotten the WIKI leaks or Snowden's revelation.
 
"He was the only one who knew that Electoral College votes win the presidency."
 
Please spare me this idiotic and demonstrably false talking point. 
 
Read my following statement and tell me if the reasonable or learnt you would conclude I am a syncopathic lackey for President Trump. "Being a Trump supporter, I am leery that the president is firing or castigating the bureaucrats--this level of additional protection."
 
"I'm sure she could have had a better strategy, but give it a rest with this sort of tripe.  Thank you." (Brabantio)
 
TRIPE? She used the strategy of the most educated candidate and the highest level of educated handlers and she lost to Trump's "idiotic supporter and handlers."
 
"Laws must have been given the time to be deliberated on before their enactment."
 
What does this have to do with anything?" (Brabantio) Dont you see I am supporting your call for scrutiny when it comes to some of the president's actions? Additionally, it means I do not support pocket bills or laws made up on the fly represented by executive orders.