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It’s now a year since I joined WriterBeat. In that time, I have learned much about the animals in this enclosure. What I have to say will probably violate libel “laws” in almost every country. Even the USA. But bad laws are the worst sort of tyranny (Edmund Burke). And they shouldn’t be obeyed. Agree?

 

So, I’m going to take you on an unexpurgated tour of “Autumn’s Park.”

 

In the cage on the far left, we have Opher Goodwin. Actually, I find him an engaging character. He’s intelligent, friendly and responsive. Pity about his political views, particularly on green issues. Having been trained as a scientist, he ought to know better than to support the green lies. Worse, he wants to force everyone else to kow-tow to his view of the world, and doesn’t seem to understand why people resist that. Not to mention that he has been allowed – indeed, paid out of taxes stolen from me! – to indoctrinate a generation and more of English children with green, socialist crap.

 

Stone-Eater is another leftist whose company I enjoy. I agree with him a lot of the time. Perhaps because we’re both cosmopolitans, who prefer to judge people as individuals rather than by race or birthplace. But when he supports the state, I switch off.

 

Dave Volek, unfortunately, is no longer with us. But I found him by far the most incisive commenter here. Several times he made me think, “did I get something wrong?” And on a couple of occasions, “Oops, Dave’s right.” I miss Dave.

 

Tubularsock has a great sense of humo(u)r. I like him, even though I often disagree with his views.

 

The Broken Clock seems to be the most moderate and reasonable of the leftists. And he writes well.

 

Now to the cages on the right side...

 

TexasLynn must take pride of place. He has even, on a couple of occasions, caught me out in imprecisions! I appreciate that. And sometimes he and I have worked together to create something better than either of us could have done alone. (My “green religion” comment on one of his threads is a case in point). I like Lynn, and I totally support his right to his strong Christian views; as long as he doesn’t try to force them on to others.

 

I was going to say something about Ryan Messano, but he was moved to another zoo yesterday.

 

“Ken” has a lot to say for himself. Some of it is really well argued. I’ll reserve judgement, as he’s quite new here.

 

Thomas Sutrina, I recently agreed on something with! For the first time in a year.

 

William Stockton makes a lot of good points. And he barks, but he rarely bites.

 

And now for the cages round the back...

 

The Burghal Hidage (TBH) is probably my “best friend” on WriterBeat so far. We have a lot in common in our approaches to life; though I prefer wine and beer to smokes and Jameson’s. But I have to confess that he’s a far better versifier than I am.

 

Ric Wells is another who writes far better than I can. He’s the only one here who has managed to sway my emotions through his words. But I don’t like his pessimism; for pessimists are always right.

 

Mustafa Kemal is one of the good guys. We share a training in mathematics, and a disrespect for bullshit in all its forms.

 

Robin Redbreast is the only WriterBeater I’ve actually met in the flesh. Wassail! He’s a really nice guy, but has too many leftist leanings. Particularly on “global warming.”

 

Leroy is the “still small voice of calm.” He seems to be the most rational person around here. And everyone (except the occasional idiot) respects what he says.

 

George N Romey is a centrist. But despite that, he puts forward some provocative ideas, well worth the effort to take in and evaluate.

 

Flying Junior, I confess, I found a bit difficult at first. But in the last month or so, he seems to have mellowed, and come to relate better to the wild and weird people (like me) he is talking to in this forum. So, he’s now on my list of the good guys.

 

Dr Rupert, I must say, blows a bit hot and cold. Like the girl with the curl, when he’s good he’s very very good, and when he’s bad he’s not so good. But he’s OK.

 

Bill Kamps is a “moderate,” charting a narrow course between the Scylla of the right and the Charybdis of the left. But a lot of what he says makes sense.

 

Jeff Jackson is another “moderate,” is unfailingly courteous, and writes well.

 

Jeff Michka is... Jeff Michka. If none of the threads were about politics or religion, he would be a pretty decent commenter :-)

 

Ian Thorpe is, culturally, probably closer to me than anyone else here. Except that I never got into pop. Musically, brass bands are more my thing.

 

EXPAT is a bit like Dr. Rupert. At one moment, very lucid; at another, I find myself asking “What?”

 

Jeffry Gilbert is the Captain. Enough said.

 

Jeffrey Kelly knows his onions, and his history.

 

rycK the JFK Democrat is neither JFK, nor a Democrat. But he’s OK.

 

James Travil follows a religion, which I hear has something to do with Santa. But he’s OK, too.

 

Now to the Ladies’ Section, housed in a separate, high security building. And it doesn’t have many inmates... I wonder why?

 

wsucram15 (Jeanne) I haven’t had much interaction with. Her thought processes seem to be pretty much at right angles to mine.

 

Riley Brown writes well, asks good questions, and comments well too. I don’t know what gender hesh actually is, but I’m inclined to take her avatar on trust.

 

Autumn is the First Lady of WriterBeat, of course. But we do have a Second Lady. In my view, Katharine Otto has probably the best mind on this forum. She knows a lot about a lot of things, and she isn’t afraid to put her ideas forward. And they are good ideas.

 

I’ve probably missed a few off my list of the good guys and gals. And surely there are a few that deserve brickbats, who may feel relieved that I’ve forgotten them. But there’s something I’ve increasingly noticed over the last several months. WriterBeat seems to be becoming, more and more, a community. Albeit, one of very disparate people. I’m not sure whether that’s part of what Autumn intended. But I think it’s a good thing.

 

Comments

Neil Lock Added Sep 7, 2018 - 2:37pm
I forgot to mention Dino. He comments once on virtually every thread, usually says nothing, but on rare occasions enlightens us.
George N Romey Added Sep 7, 2018 - 3:19pm
Thanks for the honest assessment.  There are people here that I respect but may not agree with every issue.  Fine, they have their views and why should I argue?  They respect others and have a well thought out process.  Others just rant with dogma usually picked up from mostly Fox News.  They are not well read.  For example they think that FDR was this dye in the wool socialist/communists but they never bothered to read unbiased material (either way.)  If they did they would realize that in the 1930s FDR was accused as being in bed with big business (a neoliberal) as much as he was claimed to be a socialist.  The far left called him a tool of big business, the far right said he was pure Communist.  Guess things haven't really changed.
Stone-Eater Added Sep 7, 2018 - 3:20pm
Neil
 
Pretty good job there. I guess you, as 3/4 Brit (where we agree) and 1/4 American (where it gets to cry freedom and stuff) or so in opinions, have a balanced view on us here. I do agree with most descriptions of the others, we seem to like the same people - maybe except that my mind shuts down on the ones where religion or gung-ho (hi Jeffry) comes into the game.
 
But people know that this is my intolerant spot LOL
Stone-Eater Added Sep 7, 2018 - 3:23pm
BTW: I'm not a leftist. Why ? Because the definition "leftist", as it's understood on this US blog, does not apply to me. I don't like drawers, but if you have to put me into one, I'm a social democrat who thinks that from every ideology one can take bits and pieces which are reasonable. And they don't have to bite each other but can very well be combined. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 7, 2018 - 4:05pm
Thank you for your kind words. I am nothing if not a sick man. And I own it. You are an essayist par excellence, yet still a darn poor rhymer :) And a man who knows and respects his vices and poisons. One could ask no more of an honest man
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 7, 2018 - 4:19pm
And agreed: the term Captain suffices for the description :)
Flying Junior Added Sep 7, 2018 - 4:48pm
Thank you Neil,
 
I have a tendency to become angry with extremists saying things that I believe to be anti-human.  I was much worse some time ago.  I remember one time I was pounding the keyboard, my eyes flaming red as I typed my righteous anger.
 
I will probably always fly off the handle to some extent.  I will try to behave like a civilised gentleman.
Stone-Eater Added Sep 7, 2018 - 4:58pm
Rhymes....
 
Opher Goodwin is his name
he's a writer and quite sane
an example of Brit
which has quite some wit
who doesn't like playing blame game.
 
Stone is a white African man
who never gets really a tan
he's chasing the cash
until now can't stash
much more than barely 5 grand.
 
Dave Volek was "system guy"
he figured how better we try
to live peacefully
new society
quite real and not flying too high.
 
Tube please don't disappear
our cynic, sarcastic and clear
He figures a lot
and lets himself not
be influenced by spreading fear.
 
Our clockie does know the time
on comments does not waste a dime
Balanced is he
does often agree
where realism is not a crime.
 
Texas is what and is who
if she or he's black is it true
religion for himher's ok
not Ryanlike that I must say
in Texas the sky must be blue...
 
Thomas to me is quite a blank
Conservative yes, and quite frank
But then our Sutrino
is not a Neutrino
and certainly not a Bambino.
 
William Shakespearian is tough
and often reacting quite rough
On keyboard quite cool
no lengths in comments and no fool
'cos here one can't earn too much dough.
 
The Burger gets German, so gut
bin so nicht der Einz'ge, macht Mut
he's quite international
and writes very rational
Da find' ich, zieh ich den Hut.
 
Ric is the lake which is deep
the mountain so high in his sleep
he can tell us all
'bout life spring to fall
a wise man growing quite tall.
 
Mustafa the Merhaba guy
Teschekür edurum I try
to say and I find
that people his kind
ain't easy on blogs to find.
 
Robin our UK Wassailer
Waes hael whatever no failer
an overseas voice
of premier choice
his stories don't need no tailor.
 
Leroy the average kind
but certainly no average mind
takes good from every side
but also doesn't hide
when contradictories he'll find.

George does often complain
'bout system and finance has pain
to see he gets old
society too cold
Head up Big G, swallow the rain !
 
Bill is an absolute crack
an open and flexible smack
on ignorant people
intelloless sheeple
one goodie of him and then whack !
 
Jeff Michka is, well he is him
does rowing where others do swim
A brutal hit here
a brutal hit there
behind that it doesn't look grim.
 
Sorry, for some I just couldn't find something appropriate. And then I don't want to stay up all night to find something ;-)
Leroy Added Sep 7, 2018 - 5:12pm
Thanks for the mention, Neil. We don't disagree on much.
 
It's a fair assessment of the cast of characters here.  I might have been more brutal.  You're spot on with Stoney.  He's a lefty and just doesn't realize it ;).  He "doth protest too much, methinks."
 
I do think the list is not complete without Michael.
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 7, 2018 - 5:15pm
Funny timing Neil,
 
 Just as the flying poo has settled down. a breath of fresh air comes wafting through painting a picture of WB that does not look like an insane asylum.
 
Oooh, what is he going to say about ME? Be patient Mustafa, he will certainly get to you. Read about all the other animals  and plants in the menagerie. And thats what happened and what a fine ride it was. Moreover, Mustafa thinks you got Mustafa pretty good.
 
For me, I would differ in minor points only on a few individuals. For me Tubularsock is extraordinary. As with everyone here, I dont care if we agree. It is not important to me.. There are a few others of that quality, but i would not rather taint our relationship by letting them know how I feel.
 
Strange to me that you omitted MEFOBILLS and Pardero, but i suspect if i wrote such an article I would have missed some that you included.
 
Nicely done, and as I said, nice timing,
Mustafa
Flying Junior Added Sep 7, 2018 - 5:35pm
On the female side, I would recommend getting to know Gerrilea.  She has a lot to say.  She communicates well.
TexasLynn Added Sep 7, 2018 - 5:50pm
I'll take the compliment given... since I receive so few in my day to day meanderings.  Interesting post and you managed to walk a fine line of being positive for the most part.  That would not be something I could do.  I'm more the "love the smell of napalm in the morning" kinda guy.
 
Opher seems to have taken the brunt of the negative NL press but even that had a lump of sugar on top.  I can't disagree with much of what you said (save one), but I'll offer a few TL comments on the menagerie.
 
On Your TexasLynn Observations:
He does enjoy your perspective on the various subjects you've posted and commented on.  I've got to admit I've learned a bit from the likes of Neil Lock... usually in the order of "I never suspected it was that bad."
 
I did get great joy from what you did with the "green religion".  You plucked a simply chord from my post and created a symphony.  I think I've quoted it twice since you wrote it.
 
I'm glad that when you think of me, "strong Christian views" come to mind.  No greater compliment could I receive.  I try to follow Christ's instructions to be bold and unashamed of my faith in Him.  I will always share that and present my rationales from that perspective.  BUT... while we are commanded to share the gospel, we are also commanded not to force it upon anyone.  I hope that meets with your approval. :)
 
On Others:
♦ Leroy should be in the right-side cages.  I agree with him more than anybody else on WB (as proof of his proper place). He would be just left of me I assume. :) 
 
I often see just a paragraph from Leroy and I realize that's exactly what I wanted to say, but it would take me three pages.
 
Ken and Cullen are trying to take that mantle away from Leroy and I'm glad they are here to assist me in talking sanity to the many nit-wits on WB... but Leroy is king of the sane.
 
Pardero strikes me as a very sane and thoughtful poster... though he and I have yet to tangle on any major disagreement (which I assume lurk below the surface).  I like his avatar.
 
♦ With no disrespect to anybody else on this site since there are several very talented writers.  The two best writers on WB are... The Burghal Hidage and Riley Brown.  And they are so different. 
 
Riley shares the Leroy-like ability to get to the heart of the matter quickly.  His/her posts are always logical and succinct.  We don't always agree and obviously come from very disparate backgrounds; but I appreciate the writing style and especially the very organized and thoughtful approach.
 
Riley has also allowed me to explore my inner young, petite, black woman side... or was that my old, fat, white redneck side.  I'm not sure… :)
 
The Burghal Hidage is the only author that I have to prepare myself for before reading.  Meditation, clearing the mind, a stiff drink... that sort of thing.  More often than not, I'm going to take my time and re-read sections to truly get his gist.  And even then, I'm going to question my competence at comprehending everything he is imparting to his audience.
 
Many of you have elicited from me cackles of laughter or exclamations of "genius".  TBH takes the blue ribbon in both categories.
 
♦ The only one you got completely wrong is Jeff Michka.  Under no circumstances would the Michka be anything other than what he is... a troll. :-(  But he is my troll... kinda of a little karma-esque demon attached by fate to torment me... and vice-versa.
 
Interesting post... I enjoyed it.  You seem to be properly handing out the little categorical boxes.  Some don't like that... Me?  As long as they are apt... I'm good.
Stone-Eater Added Sep 7, 2018 - 7:06pm
Ok, Leroy, I got that "lefty" image then. What you can't shave off you have to accept LOL
Ken Added Sep 7, 2018 - 7:30pm
Interesting insights.  I am glad you appreciate my posts.  I work hard to make the arguments make sense and backed up with facts leading to the conclusion.
 
SE - in European terms, you may not consider yourself a leftist, but in American terms, a "social democrat" is absolutely a leftist
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 7, 2018 - 7:50pm
@ Lock. "Dr Rupert, I must say, blows a bit hot and cold. Like the girl with the curl, when he’s good he’s very very good, and when he’s bad he’s not so good. But he’s OK."
 
Thanks for seating me within the pantheon of the heavy hitters and good people. True to form, I wish to remain an enigma as familiarity breeds contempt.  For example with Ryan, we all knew what he would say and how he would react.  What fun or advancement of our knowledge base is derived therefrom?
 
Additionally, I can find some agreement with those describes as vile racists, leftists, rightists, or conservative, as I can find disagreement. Thinks of this, if you cannot develop respectful communication offline, surely you will have a difficult time doing it face to face with individuals you are programmed to hate.
Logical Man Added Sep 7, 2018 - 8:07pm
I'm offended!
I didn't get a mention! ;-)
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 7, 2018 - 8:25pm
@Logical man. "I'm offended!
I didn't get a mention! ;-)"
 
I know that Lock was not lock step with the program. Let's run him out of town as Ryan may have been.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 7, 2018 - 8:43pm
Oh, gee...another "personalities article."  TraitorLynn got another shot at me, but then he;s a hypocritical traitor and doesn't like being reminded, so I'm a troll.  If that make the hypocrite in a Cowboy ht and boots happy, okay, then I must be a troll, TraitorLynn the "IT guy" happier than underlings who just bobble their little pointy heads in agreement.  Gee, Neil, you usually write a bit different material and better stuff.  Sorry you decided to sit in the mud.  Can we say Neil is Locked?
Leroy Added Sep 7, 2018 - 9:05pm
'Leroy should be in the right-side cages.  I agree with him more than anybody else on WB (as proof of his proper place). He would be just left of me I assume. :)"
 
Thanks for your kind words, Lynn.  The only problem is that I find so little to disagree with what you write.  Even in the above post, I find myself agreeing with you, with one exception.  I am not sure that I am to your left.  Pardero would be a glaring omission.  I like his style.  I disagree with his anti-war stance but otherwise enjoy his posts.   Tamara Wilhite would be another omission.  I haven't seen her around lately.  I don't know that I have ever disagreed with her.
Ric Wells Added Sep 7, 2018 - 9:42pm
Thanks Neil I just write what I feel see and think. 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 7, 2018 - 10:04pm
I think I deserve a spot on the left...LOL
 
Thank you, Neil, that was quite entertaining.
Katharine Otto Added Sep 7, 2018 - 10:26pm
Neil,
Thanks for the recognition and compliment.  You picked a good topic and approach, because I feel a kind of kinship with everyone mentioned and generally agree with your assessments.   So do others, apparently.  Yes to Mefobills, Pardero, Michael B., John Minehan, and Gerrilea, but I can't think of anyone else (enduring) that you left out.
James Travil Added Sep 7, 2018 - 11:49pm
It's a new day for Writerbeat now that the troll is gone. I won't mention his name but it's not Jeff. I never thought I would take the mantle of Troll Slayer from Flying Junior, but it was only a one off so I'm done with it, just glad that the sanity, civility, and intellect of the place just doubled. All the remaining people are reasonable, disagree with them or not. It's great to be a part of such an eclectic place. Thanks for the mention, and thanks especially for not putting me in one of those left or right cages. Us moderates don't like being mislabeled. Cheers! 
Ken Added Sep 8, 2018 - 12:36am
All the remaining people are reasonable, disagree with them or not.
lol, that is being very kind to a certain someone...
 
Stone-Eater Added Sep 8, 2018 - 3:39am
Ken
 
SE - in European terms, you may not consider yourself a leftist, but in American terms, a "social democrat" is absolutely a leftist
 
Excellent, thanks. That's what I was looking for. I always thought there'd be a definition problem.
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 3:56am
George: Thank you. Yes I agree, there are those who put forward their own views (whether or not I agree with them). And there are those that prefer to regurgitate third party talking points. Most of the time, the latter group confine themselves to threads on US topical events and party politics. I usually tend to skip over these threads, so I don't read much from these people. You can rest assured that everyone I have named in this article is his or her own man or woman!
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:02am
Stone-Eater: Some of your views do make you a leftist. For example, you seem to think that the economy is a zero sum game, and so people can only become rich by taking wealth away from others. That's a view very common among leftists. (But it's false - at least in an economy which is being allowed to advance technologically, and in which people can keep the rewards they fairly earn. I plan to write on the subject in my next but one major article).
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:05am
TBH: Thank you.
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:06am
Flying Junior: You have become much more civilized recently, and I noticed it. Improvement deserves praise.
Stone-Eater Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:10am
Neil
 
can only become rich by taking wealth away from others.
 
Nope, that's not what I mean. I don't mean taking away fron the riches, but the fact is that chances for success (however you define that) are not equally distributed. A poor kid can't get to elite schools. Although it's an utopy, people should start life with equal chances, no matter in which conditions they were born into. 
 
If I'm against exploitation, suppression and inequality, you can call me leftist and I agree on it. I don't see how supporting such a system (alas being conservative ?) would earn extra sympathy points ? ;-)
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:13am
Leroy, thank you. You're right that I forgot Michael B. I'll adapt the old adage about 10 per cent inspiration and 90 per cent perspiration, and say that his writing makes me feel 10 per cent annoyance and 90 per cent amusement!
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:22am
Mustafa: You're right, I missed out Mefobills and Pardero. To be honest, I don't think I've interacted with Mefobills yet; perhaps his interests and mine don't often coincide. But to miss out Pardero was a big oversight. Put him in a cage next to Leroy, and he'll be fine.
 
Oh, and I missed another thing you and I share. A love of big cars :-)
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:24am
Flying Junior: Good spot. Gerrilea should have been in my list. (Pause to shoot self). She ought to be between Riley and Katharine. If only she would write more!
Stone-Eater Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:32am
Neil
 
Pity you missed Tony Whiz of Oz. A Pakistani-born Aussie which was here, we became online friends and he visited me in Switzerland. I miss him until today here. A very highly educated, calm and wise man whose motto was "read-listen" instead of blathering. 
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:42am
Lynn: Thank you. I appreciate your point about the gospel. I've long maintained Neil's First Precept of Religion: "If you let me have my religion (or lack of it), I'll let you have yours."
 
I did miss Cullen out, not because I forgot him, but because I haven't yet read enough of his stuff to make a judgement on him. Bill H I missed out for much the same reason - he comments quite a lot, and he's clearly in the leftist camp, but I prefer not to say too much on third parties' threads as there's a danger of taking them off topic. Both of them, hopefully, will make it to the zoo's next annual report!
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:47am
Dr. Rupert: Thank you. I'm glad you appreciated what I said. And you make a really good point about respectful communication.
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:52am
Logical Man: Apologies for forgetting you. I'd have found it easier to remember you if you wrote more articles :-)
 
The same applies to Benjamin Goldstein, who I certainly should not have forgotten (pause to shoot self - again), but my excuse is that he seems to have written very little in the last several months.
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:55am
Jeff M: Am I "Locked?" Well, we're all in cages in the article, Jeff. I'm in the menagerie too (my cage is next to TBH's), but modesty precludes...
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:56am
Jeffrey K: Unfortunately, I only had ten seats on the Front Benches, five on each side. So you ended up in the cheap cages with the rest of us...
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 4:58am
Katharine: Thank you. Yes, John Minehan is another I missed. Again, my excuse is that he should write more...
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 5:03am
James: Yes, it's amazing how that dynamic built up, isn't it? All in the course of a single week. TBH started it, you provided the ammunition, and the rest is history!
Neil Lock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 5:11am
Ken: When I first read your comment, I thought you were making fun of the departed :-) But I take what James said at face value; all the remaining people are reasonable. At least, on their good days.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 8, 2018 - 5:49am
In my view, Katharine Otto has probably the best mind on this forum. She knows a lot about a lot of things, and she isn’t afraid to put her ideas forward. And they are good ideas.
 
Agree unreservedly. 
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 8, 2018 - 6:53am
None of the things above constitute libel/slander in the US. They are all assessments of publicly available information. If you say that somebody said or did something that he did not do, then you violate a law. You are also free to speculate as long as you preface it clearly as speculation ("I think...", "I believe...", "my guess is..." [that he murdered his wife]). So people know in advance to take it with a grain of salt.
opher goodwin Added Sep 8, 2018 - 6:54am
Hey Neil - good to be in the menagerie. I hope it has thin bars. 
Thank you for your analysis. I'm sure you'll come round to understand the importance of our wonderful ecosystem. Life on this planet is a miracle that needs protecting.
Yes this is a great community and I spend far too much time conversing with people of extremely varied views. Most are polite, rational and intelligent - even if imbued with strange views - and we exchange our perspectives. Good for me as a writer.
I enjoy my time here and even find the extreme rudeness of Michael B and Jeffry quite amusing. 
Where else could you meet with such diverse individuals?
opher goodwin Added Sep 8, 2018 - 6:58am
Stone - great. Nicely put in verse.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 8, 2018 - 7:35am
And of course:
 
Neil Lock is an impoverished Oxford grad and a libertarian. Policy-wise he is more of a right-winger, moral-wise he leans more to the left. He is strongly driven by his principles.
opher goodwin Added Sep 8, 2018 - 7:38am
Well done Ben.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 8, 2018 - 8:38am
@Neil. I should have stated if one cannot develop respectful communication online, s/he would be hard pressed to do so face-to-face with individuals whose views, race, or sexual orientation inform ones hatred a priori. Thanks for understanding what I meant to convey. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 8, 2018 - 8:50am
@Stone "Neil Pity you missed Tony Whiz of Oz. A Pakistani-born Aussie which was here, we became online friends and he visited me in Switzerland. I miss him until today here. A very highly educated, calm and wise man whose motto was "read-listen" instead of blathering. "
 
Excellent point. I have long articulated visiting KKK members here in their hometown to have some 'coon soup and 'shines as I hope to reciprocate by having them visit me so I can safely give them a tour of the 'hood while they are dressed in their finest robes and masks.
 
Yes, seriously, after a trip to Guam because of a standing 5 years invite, I will visit some cool members here. As is predictable--- informed by the preponderance of my posts, the first trip will be down under. Unlike Ryan, I am not reticent regarding visiting same. 
Even A Broken Clock Added Sep 8, 2018 - 11:35am
Neil - thanks. "I resemble that remark!" Thanks for the recognition.
 
Stone - your efforts at poetry are much appreciated. Capturing essences within a single stanza is quite an accomplishment.
 
We do have a community here, even if some of the folks don't want to play by either the written or unwritten rules. I appreciate Autumn for putting this playpen up for us to romp inside.
Bill H. Added Sep 8, 2018 - 11:37am
Releived
Ric Wells Added Sep 8, 2018 - 2:08pm
Neil although I think I am bring realistic in my writing I can fully appreciate where some would view it as pessimistic. But what I really appreciate that my writing moves you emotionally. Truly a success from my standpoint. Thank you for your comments. 
 
Stone hopefully the pebbles I throw into the lake of Writer Beat cause some lasting ripples.
Stone-Eater Added Sep 8, 2018 - 3:20pm
Ric
 
When the wind blows strong enough...
Stone-Eater Added Sep 8, 2018 - 3:22pm
EABC
 
Thanks. Just tryin' :)
David Montaigne Added Sep 8, 2018 - 6:33pm
Alas, I try to write articles and post comments often - but it must not be often enough to get noticed and make the "A" list....
Autumn Cote Added Sep 8, 2018 - 10:48pm
David,
The following are a few reasons why your articles don't get a lot of attention:
 
1) The last several comments you received you ignored.  People participate with this site because they want to have a conversation with the author, not be ignored.
 
2) You've written one comment in the last 48 hours.
 
3) Your articles are a formatting horror show.  Take the necessary time to clean it up and make it readable. 
 
4) Your articles are contain way too many links.    
 
5) Because of #1-4, I don't go out of my way to promote your articles.  
Flying Junior Added Sep 9, 2018 - 2:02am
I never say shit because David is a brain-washed RW ideologue who parrots hardcore conservative talking points and indulges in disgusting graphics.  I was glad to see that everyone ignored him.
 
Try some original content.
Neil Lock Added Sep 9, 2018 - 3:30am
Benjamin: Thanks for your "legal" advice and for your characterization of me. You have me spot on, except for two things. One, I'm not quite impoverished yet, though the political-scum class are trying hard. And two, a much more serious failing, you got my shade of blue wrong. I am a Cambridge man, not Oxford!
Neil Lock Added Sep 9, 2018 - 3:43am
Opher: You're not only in the menagerie; you're in cage number 1! Which is why I described you first.
Neil Lock Added Sep 9, 2018 - 3:45am
Bill H: My pleasure. I'll try and find a cage for you this time next year...
Neil Lock Added Sep 9, 2018 - 3:47am
Broken Clock: Thank you. Another "satisfied customer."
opher goodwin Added Sep 9, 2018 - 7:29am
Heaven's Neil - I'll take that as a great compliment!
Ken Added Sep 9, 2018 - 8:03am
I think I deserve a spot on the left...LOL
 
you do deserve a spot on the left, but being proud of it is sad.
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 9, 2018 - 8:56am
Neil - Shall we cue up Robert Goulet's Sympatico? :) I think it should be better to be an impoverished tramp with a Cambridge degree than to be the most fabulously wealthy and jewel encrusted owner of such a worthless commodity as an Oxford degree :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 9, 2018 - 8:57am
Stone - noch ein guter Schlag! You are a poet, you Teutonic statist :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 9, 2018 - 8:59am
Opher your function here is to rattle the cages, which you generally do pretty well
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 9, 2018 - 8:59am
Captain Gilbert - you are the embodiment of the bard's " Brevity is the soul of wit"
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 9, 2018 - 9:00am
Leroy - you are the barometer :)
Jeffry Gilbert Added Sep 9, 2018 - 9:22am
Brevity is the soul of wit"
 
Thanks very much for for that nice compliment. 
 
Stone-Eater Added Sep 9, 2018 - 9:41am
TBH
 
Thanks :-)
Michael B. Added Sep 9, 2018 - 9:50am
Wow, I feel so left out! Yet another fading talent goes off into the sunset. Disqus, here I come!
Neil Lock Added Sep 9, 2018 - 10:57am
TBH: On the Oxford versus Cambridge question, you have given me occasion to quote from the early 18th century English classics. 
 
The Oxford point of view:
 
The King, observing with discerning eyes,
The state of both his universities,
To one he sent a regiment. For why?
That learned body wanted loyalty.
To th'other books he sent, as much discerning
How much that loyal body wanted learning.
 
The Cambridge reply:
 
The King to Oxford sent a troop of horse;
For Tories own no argument but force.
With equal care, to Cambridge books he sent;
For Whigs allow no force but argument.
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 9, 2018 - 10:59am
Michael - don't go off like that! You serve two principal duties here. You are, of course, our resident vulgarian. An indispensable component of any forum. And in the absence of Tom Purcell you are the resident military historian. Others are qualified for this, no doubt, but you were the one to step forward. Never volunteer for anything:)
 
You're a capable XO to the Captain. Not that he needs one, but always good to have someone who's got your six.
 
You're all a hoot, each in your own way. There's plenty of dirt on this earth. Find a patch you can agree on and make some mud.
Leroy Added Sep 9, 2018 - 11:51am
"Leroy - you are the barometer :) "
 
I suppose it is better than being a human thermometer :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 9, 2018 - 11:56am
A good piece! I remember that last August, right?
 
You represent a sane median of this place, IMO.....and among the few who have more of a taste for fiction. Anyone with any interest in politics at all should have a profound appreciation of fiction. It's where they get their scripts
Neil Lock Added Sep 9, 2018 - 11:56am
Leroy: Indeed. If Opher taps you, you'll show warming :-)
opher goodwin Added Sep 9, 2018 - 2:16pm
Burger - seems like Neil has put me in my own cage! I could try rattling those bars!
Jeff Michka Added Sep 9, 2018 - 5:20pm
Whether Michael B is WB's mil hist without Purcell, MB is merely one of WB's only surviving Third Reich
Jeff Michka Added Sep 9, 2018 - 5:25pm
...ooops....Third Reich Romantics, you know how neat and snappy Nazi uniforms are/were, how wonderful all things German military, how wonderful all their wise, brave leaders, but MB also seems to want to be a super-patriot...so which is it?  Think that depends on who he wants to offend.  Actually, John Minehan is a more qualified Mil hist, but wonder if he sees himself that way.
opher goodwin Added Sep 9, 2018 - 6:20pm
Neil - It's been pretty warm this Summer. I'll give Leroy a tap or two.
Leroy Added Sep 9, 2018 - 6:20pm
"Leroy: Indeed. If Opher taps you, you'll show warming :-)"
 
As long as he doesn't double tap me, I am ok :)
Leroy Added Sep 9, 2018 - 6:35pm
"A good piece! I remember that last August, right?"
 
If you remember when I wrote it, you have a better memory than me.  That's not exactly a difficult feat these days.
 
"You represent a sane median of this place, IMO....."
 
I've been called worse :)
 
"and among the few who have more of a taste for fiction."
 
You're right.  I do love fiction and satire.  I had an idea that I might try my hand at writing fiction.  People such as you crushed that dream.  I have to be content to read the works of the masters such as yourself.
 
"Anyone with any interest in politics at all should have a profound appreciation of fiction. It's where they get their scripts"
 
Whoever said that truth is stranger than fiction couldn't have been more right.  They should be ridiculed.
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 10, 2018 - 3:31am
Tex -  I would usually recommend a strong Indica for a lot of what I write, but for those who abstain from this a good whiskey will suffice. Rum will do in a pinch
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 10, 2018 - 3:36am
Leroy - you might like this
 
 
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 10, 2018 - 3:37am
oops...try that later, missed the link
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 10, 2018 - 3:39am
http://ale81inn.com/2018/05/18/dishonest-motives-and-conversations-with-old-friends/
 
bit long to put up here
Wendy Skorupski Added Sep 10, 2018 - 3:59am
I haven't used Writerbeat in a few months, but reading your comments on the regular 'users' made me feel a little nostalgic for last autumn, when I was posting more often. You're right, this forum does seem to be a kind of family, and that's always a good thing - arguments an' all! However, I can't pretend to share the heated political debates that most of you wrangle in, which is probably why I stopped posting a while back. But I have certainly learned some things along the way, and will try to at least every now and then to make an apologetic guest appearance with my far more personal, feminine rants about various things that have happened to me along life's long and hiccupy road - hubbywise, crimewise or otherwise!
opher goodwin Added Sep 10, 2018 - 4:04am
I think I might have tapped Leroy a few times in the past. He appeared to have steam coming out his ears.
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 10, 2018 - 4:10am
you sometimes have that effect on people Oph :)
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 10, 2018 - 4:11am
Leroy's a smooth ride. Takes a bit to get him rattled. You must have been trying hard that day!
Flying Junior Added Sep 10, 2018 - 4:45am
New post by Passion Blues or is it Passione Azzura.
 
Happy NFL watching bros.  Hope that you have more to enjoy than just beer, munchies, joints or even cocaine!
 
https://ale81inn.com/category/passione-azzurra/
 
 
Leroy Added Sep 10, 2018 - 10:04am
"I think I might have tapped Leroy a few times in the past. He appeared to have steam coming out his ears."
 
No.  No one online has ever rattled me in the least.  No one lives in my brain rent-free.  Before I met my wife, I would say that it was impossible for anyone to rattle me.  I had a reputation for keeping cool under fire.  My wife has a short fuse and it is starting to rub off on me :)  My fuse is pretty short today, but someone online that I never met has no possibility of getting me upset.  Take your best shot.
TexasLynn Added Sep 10, 2018 - 10:47am
Leroy >> No one online has ever rattled me in the least.
 
See how much Leroy and I are alike?  Agree on everything... never rattled. :)
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Sep 10, 2018 - 1:44pm
Neil Lock
 
An amazingly fair and honest description of the posters on this forum. 
 
Well done. 
wsucram15 Added Sep 10, 2018 - 6:32pm
Neil;
What does this mean? "Her thought processes seem to be pretty much at right angles to mine."
How do you know my thought processes..just inquiring. I also dont remember you ever commenting any of my articles, let alone reading one.
 
After 4 years, The most creative writer on this site is Ric Wells, the most honest and often original would either be SEF or Opher, both of whom also write  poetry.  The most researched is Lynn or The Bug aside from myself.  The best written on any topic at all is EABC or on specific topics Katharine Otto because they use facts and are fresh.  TBH is a specific writer and well written, when he is on site, it is a delight because of his style.  On Expat,  he is a expressive writer. He has written pieces about things from racism to sexuality and everything in between, they were all good.  He writes from his heart..he is not a political writer though.  John Minehan is also a very detailed writer and his pieces are always good.  Mark Hunter has had some good articles and he writes from his own life experiences.
 
You know who was a good writer. Billy Roper.  I disliked almost all of his topics and found them to be reprehensible, but he wrote extremely well.   I read everything he ever wrote over a long period of time, even off here. I cant say that for anyone else except maybe SEF and Opher.
 
This is arguably an opinion site, but good writing stems from great research. But you tend to read what you like.
 
I do agree with Lynn on Riley about 50% of the time, she  writes opinion and sometimes writes it in a way that questions either side of an issue.
I like some of Leroys work, he writes well...when he isnt trying to do political op-ed. He is a great observation writer though and intelligent.
 Also MichaelB..who was not mentioned, can hold his own and writes well. His book or war pieces are well done. I have also enjoyed a music piece or two..
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Sep 10, 2018 - 8:27pm
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Pardero Added Sep 10, 2018 - 11:08pm
Neil Lock,
I enjoyed the article immensely. I am sincerely flattered, and surprised, that you compared me to Leroy, in a comment. I am terribly fond of this bunch, and miss the days when my wallet was thinner, but I could spend more time here.
 
I agree with rycK the JFK Democrat, you did a terrific job. 
 
Some of these writers are so admirable, and such dear friends, that I feel guilty for rarely dropping in anymore.
 
As far as skill, I am unable to judge. Sometimes facts and logic sway me, sometimes wit, sincerity, or an earthy anecdote. Some writers can fit all those qualities into a single article, or in Captain Gilbert's case, a sentence or two.
 
Almost every writer has given me something of great value that I carry with me. It doesn't take technically proficient writing to reach me, or data that I could look up on the internet if I had time, just a special person with an idea. 
 
Your article, which serves as a Who's Who, honor roll, and rogues gallery ; ), serves to promote comraderie, esprit de corps, and sense of community. 
 
I enjoyed all the exchanges of praise, banter, and barbs in the comments.
 
Hello, you special characters, you exactly know who you are.
 
A shout out to a singular fellow, that I didn't see mentioned, our resident conspiracy theorist, amateur legal scholar, theologian, and promoter of unorthodox, and occasionally, unwanted views, Doug Plumb. I always root for the underdog, and Doug is our resident underdog.
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 11, 2018 - 12:15am
Pardero
YES, Doug Plumb! rounding out many corners simultaneously.
 
How could we forget!
 
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 11, 2018 - 1:06am
Pard -  Spot on Mr. Shatner. Doug Plumb had long been a puzzle to me and in one of my more recent iterations I went into some depth with him on a few points i needed clarified. Doug is a very deep thinker and an excellent correspondent. Any of us could find at least one point over which we might disagree with any other. In some instances all. Doug's tenacity with regard to the "jewish question" (his words, not mine) is a point that some are unable to overcome. While I don't agree with all of his conclusions Doug is one of the most disciplined minds on here. Just as a stopped clock can be right twice a day, a clock that is running can sometimes be off a bit
Ric Wells Added Sep 11, 2018 - 1:11am
Even though a stopped clock may be right twice a day. You're still not going to know what time it is. LOL
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 11, 2018 - 1:17am
Do any of us really know what time it is Ric? :)
Ric Wells Added Sep 11, 2018 - 1:20am
Only on Chicago. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 11, 2018 - 1:23am
:) If I'm in Chicago it's time for the Wolf's Head!
Ric Wells Added Sep 11, 2018 - 1:25am
I'll bite what's the wolfs head? 
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 11, 2018 - 1:28am
in a little plaza on the left at the end of Joliet Road right before it rolls into 55 south out in Indian Head Park
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 11, 2018 - 1:29am
great little neighborhood tavern
Ric Wells Added Sep 11, 2018 - 1:30am
Ok but if I were going to Chicago is be headed to Wrigley Field to watch the Cubs. But I don't live there so I won't. 
Ken Added Sep 11, 2018 - 2:30am
Wrigley field is a lot more famous than just the cubs.  Steve Goodman is actually buried on the field (unlike trying to find Jimmy Hoffa), near home plate, I believe.  Life long Cubbie fan, wrote "go Cubs go", many songs of his sung by Jimmy Buffett. One of my favorites "Banana Republics"
Neil Lock Added Sep 11, 2018 - 3:46am
Wendy: Welcome back. Please start writing more, I want the cages of the Ladies' Section to be a bit fuller next year!
Neil Lock Added Sep 11, 2018 - 3:49am
rycK: Thank you.
Neil Lock Added Sep 11, 2018 - 3:55am
Jeanne: I've certainly read several of your articles, and many of your comments on other people's threads. I didn't mean any disrespect at all when I said your thought processes are at right angles to mine; but I don't find it easy to respond fully to some of the things you say, without doing a lot of work first to "deconstruct" them. I'll try harder in the future, perhaps when I have a bit more time :-)
 
And many thanks for your own assessments. Yes, Mark Hunter is another one I missed, and shouldn't have.
Neil Lock Added Sep 11, 2018 - 4:04am
Pardero: Thank you. Yes, we are a bit of a rogues' gallery, aren't we?
 
And thanks for mentioning Doug Plumb. He's another one I should never have forgotten (pause to shoot self for third time). His avatar is like no-one else's. And while some of his utterances are replete with Kantian professorial verbosity, when he chooses to he can cut straight to the point - and nail it.
Neil Lock Added Sep 11, 2018 - 4:17am
TBH: I like the sound of your Wolf's Head. Not a million miles from where I lived during my own time in Chicago - nearer ten, in fact.
Flying Junior Added Sep 11, 2018 - 4:30am
All sentimental fools, the lot o' ye!
opher goodwin Added Sep 11, 2018 - 7:04am
Thanks Jeanne.
Stone-Eater Added Sep 11, 2018 - 8:54am
Hey Jeanne
 
Overlooked your comment....thanks from me also and an apprecitation back to you :)
Stone-Eater Added Sep 11, 2018 - 8:54am
FJ
 
Age sentimentalizes (is that a word ?) ;)
Michael B. Added Sep 11, 2018 - 9:01am
I don't have any favorites here. I don't follow anybody, and probably never will. Most of the regular contributors and a few of the irregulars put up some interesting stuff, not always, but usually, which is why I keep coming back to this snakepit. To my non-enemies I say "Thank You", while to my enemies I say "Fuck you, please die soon." Another way of putting it is, "Here's champagne to my real friends, and real pain to my sham friends." LOL
Leroy Added Sep 11, 2018 - 11:27am
You're a great talent, Michael, one of a few here who could write professionally.  I suppose that is why I enjoy reading your articles so much.  I also appreciate how you engage your commenters, for better or worse.  You have a knack for pissing people off, which is a talent unto itself ;) 
Leroy Added Sep 11, 2018 - 11:40am
I would love to see your version of the "Menagerie".
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 11, 2018 - 12:06pm
it would be banned in 33 countries even before publication. There ya go Michael....theres your bar :)
Even A Broken Clock Added Sep 11, 2018 - 7:16pm
I'm loving this interaction of contributors. I really do think this is one of the few places I've seen where individuals can interact across sentiment lines and try to make a connection. In this current world, those places are far and few between. Thanks, Neil, for fostering this interaction.
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 11, 2018 - 7:48pm
Thanks FJ
Michael B. Added Sep 11, 2018 - 8:30pm
@ Leroy - Thank you very much Leroy! I always like and appreciate your postings and comments as well! I always enjoy a compliment from someone of your caliber; you and many others here!
 
Do you mean the Star Trek Menagerie? Actually, I considered that one some time ago; to me, it's material more suitable for a porn parody, but I still need to fuck up Star Trek some more, lol.
Michael B. Added Sep 11, 2018 - 8:31pm
@ TBH - Actually, I think I'll be shifting back to fiction. I'm thinking of something along the lines of The Arabian Nights, but set in modern-day Hollywood, where the villain is a Christian anti-porn activist and the hero is a lipstick lesbian...or so it seems...
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 11, 2018 - 8:53pm
Hmmm.... " Gee lady, that seems like a really weird place to keep your.....wait! That's not lipstick!"
EXPAT Added Sep 11, 2018 - 11:26pm
EXPAT is a bit like Dr. Rupert. At one moment, very lucid; at another, I find myself asking “What?”
 
Sometimes I appeal to intellect, and other times I refute delusion. I'll leave it up to you to decide what you can relate to!
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 12, 2018 - 6:03am
"EXPAT is a bit like Dr. Rupert. At one moment, very lucid; at another, I find myself asking “What?”
 
Sometimes I appeal to intellect, and other times I refute delusion. I'll leave it up to you to decide what you can relate to!"
 
On target, EXPAT. With prior knowledge of how the WB members in Plato's time slew a fellow member who sought to elevate their understand, having found enlightenment extant of those shadows of the facts regurgitated on the WB cave walls by the members informed by WIKI and biassed talking points of smoke signals media, it is wise to know: Tis folly to be wise where ignorance is bliss (from my waxing biblically).
 
Plato's "Analogy of the Cave" explains how those whose worldviews are informed by the shadows created by the sliver of light penetrating the walls of the darkened caves they were in  would kill any who saw and knew the source of the shadows. Not all are willing to change their mental structures due to learning, especially if the teaching is coming from a brother. You see the many personal attacks questioning my intellectual pedigree. Notwithstanding, I have never written to flaunt my knowledge as being superior to anyone here. Perhaps I do more to hide it.
 
Like as Americans like their president to be a person they can have some 'shines with, no matter how smart s/he is, WBers like members they can have a dialogue with and spout their superior knowledge, not one who presents an air of intellectual superiority in smashing uninformed views, old wives tales, hearsays, and other sources of uninitiated views.
 
PS, in order to understand some of the crap I write, one must learn the meaning of malapropism, characterization, antipathy, anachronism, pun, allegory, and soliloquy (please look up the words now).  I have fun mixing some of my writing thus. And this is what generates the "What?" some readers will ask of my works. 
 
Green: Is your approach not foolish seeing that the writer communicates nothing if the reader does not get it? True, Wiseone, but consider that communication occurs at multiple levels. Those whose knowledge is bounded by the ABC Primer will not understand those whose is bounded by the likes of Kant and Descartes. Seeing that they cannot play in the sandbox with the Kant's  et al disciples, the readers of the ABC Primers may seek to discount them with the argument akin to the fox saying the grapes are sour.
Wiseone: Then would it not behooves individuals to stick to those at their level of understanding?
 
Green; Yes, Wiseone, but there is a danger therein. The blind cannot lead the blind to see the light, but they will enable them--allowing them to gather in packs to attack the wise ones. Wiseone: How do we address that problem?
Green: The wise ones teach without teaching.  Wiseone: How can such a contradiction be? Well... try teaching four years old to do something. There is a fellow on WB who writes some heavy stuff that is postdoctoral economics. Would the uninitiated visit his post or would they visit mine to see what crap Green is writing now?
 
Note: My pedagogical philosophy is, if I can get a student to visit a page/open a book, I will teach him or her something. Shit also draws a crowd. Use the tools you have to teach, not to alienate.  As a teacher, the product is not often instantaneously manifested, it may show up 20 years later--in the form of a visit from a doctor, lawyer, professor, or an engineer who was your former student. 
 
One of the most significant transformations resulted from my exchange with a WBer whose avatar was a watermelon in his mouth.  I can show you the letter he wrote to me regarding how I showed him the light.
 
 
 
 
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 12, 2018 - 9:28am
Doc Green - I always enjoy the imprimatur of your impromptu and insightful musings.
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 12, 2018 - 1:34pm
Green:
re"With prior knowledge of how the WB members in Plato's time slew a fellow member who sought to elevate their understand"
 
You do make me laugh.
 
Burghal, wasnt it in a Hesse novel where there were two characters, one who always made sense but you could never remember what he said and the other which babbled away but made a lasting impression?
 
Mustafa
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 12, 2018 - 1:40pm
Michael B. 
re:" The Arabian Nights, but set in modern-day Hollywood, where the villain is a Christian anti-porn activist and the hero is a lipstick lesbian."
 
LOL
Im just trying to imagine the lesbian trying to think of a tale that would save her life every night with the Christian anti porn activist.
Does she spin hims some yarns about the homesexual escapades of the founders?
 
Mustafa
 
 
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 12, 2018 - 1:48pm
Magister Ludi
Pardero Added Sep 12, 2018 - 2:35pm
The Burghal Hidage,
Thank you. 
If things slow down a bit, I hope to be a full-fledged participant, again.
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 12, 2018 - 2:38pm
BTW and OT,
 
Eric Reports just deleted all my comments on his Twin Tower post.
 
As you might expect, I was quite civil.
 
 
Pardero Added Sep 12, 2018 - 2:39pm
Mustafa Kemal,
I have been waiting at a well in Weld County for 3 hours, now.  If I recall, one of the counties that had a movement to quit Colorado and join Wyoming. I should have written something, but try to keep up with the CB banter.
Ric Wells Added Sep 12, 2018 - 2:40pm
Michael B. For some reason I see a parody of Wonder Woman in the making. Film and cartoon. 
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 12, 2018 - 2:55pm
Pardero, I would definitely like to hear about that. Wyoming is a world different from Colorado and I can easily see north Coloradians identifying more with Wyoming than the Denverites. Near Walden they hold Golf tournaments in the cold cold snow. You should see their golfing outfits.
 
BTW, Rough and Ready, five miles from where my mother grew up in Grassvalley CA, succeeded from the Union for 3 months in 1850. 
 
Mustafa
wsucram15 Added Sep 12, 2018 - 3:11pm
Neil..I find that people dont like to answer my stuff and the ones that do either know the material or dont mind taking a few to read it or look something up.  I had to think to write an article, and I want the reader to take 5 minutes to think about the content.
 
Not much to unpack...just read and discuss with other authors.
 
Pardero Added Sep 12, 2018 - 3:37pm
Mustafa Kemal,
Internet comes and goes. Back at the moment.
I know Walden. Beautiful drive from the sand plant in Craig, and over Rabbit Ears Pass. Much oilfield activity around Walden.
Rough and Ready, CA, former radical stronghold!
Stone-Eater Added Sep 12, 2018 - 4:51pm
Mustafa
 
Eric Reports deleted my comments too. What a creep. Probably only wants comments that hail his vision LOL
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 12, 2018 - 4:57pm
Pardero, been over  Rabbits Ear pass once. Keep your eyes peeled for a flock of Yellow Headed black birds at that little pond near Cowdrey.
We spent the night at that old inn there and the owner took off for denver and left us alone with the place. It is an old lodge with some history.
 
Rough and Ready, radical I think no, ornery miner stock would be my guess. My mother said that the Grassvalley Teams were the Miners and the Nevada City teams were the Muckers. So at the football games they would cheer Goooo Miners and the response would be Gooo Muckers. She always smiled when she recounted that.
 
Mustafa
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 12, 2018 - 5:00pm
BTW, Opher has fired up a Digital Tavern and Stone Eater has taken the baton
 
Benjamin Goldstein Added Sep 12, 2018 - 6:32pm
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 12, 2018 - 10:37pm
Stone Eater,

The Eric Reports Echo Chamber
 
Hello hello hello 
Is there any body out there, out there, out there
Yes yes yes yes
 
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 12, 2018 - 11:15pm
@Hidage. "Doc Green - I always enjoy the imprimatur of your impromptu and insightful musings."   Thanks. Well, James Joyce writes in a manner that would have the unlearned thinking he is unwise. I forget the term for the license giving him permission. Still, writing from the hip is not aligned with the many who cut and paste from WIKI or from previous posts.
 
 
@ Kemal. "Green:
re"With prior knowledge of how the WB members in Plato's time slew a fellow member who sought to elevate their understand"
 
You do make me laugh."
 
Glad to generate some mirth and gaiety without insulting or threatening anyone while imparting lessons.
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 12, 2018 - 11:45pm
"Burghal, wasnt it in a Hesse novel where there were two characters, one who always made sense but you could never remember what he said and the other which babbled away but made a lasting impression?
 
Mustafa"
 
Preceding is exactly one of my points regarding WB--it accords teaching and learning in multiple ways. I will look up that book. Teaching and learning is not about what the teacher knows. It is about what the student learn/remember (lasting impression). The good teacher, then, delivers his her lesson in such a manner that students leave laughing, not even realizing they have been taught. For those who blame innercity kids for their inability to learn, convey my information to teachers of such students. PS some students are averse to being taught. Reason: The ask why should they learn the ways of the White people responsible for oppressing their people. This could get very deep, so let me stop here.
 
On WB, there are some writers whose posts are either anxiously awaited, read and responded to, or read but mostly not respond to. Some writers here are very astute in employing various means, such as throwing red meat or engage in race-baiting, to get their posts read. They know they can use certain code words to goad certain writers to instinctively respond. For that reason, I admire Dusty's recent post, but I will not fall for the bait by responding to it.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 12, 2018 - 11:49pm
Sorry for butchering name in above. The name is Rusty and the post is: "
"Poor communities create their own getto's" [sic]
Flying Junior Added Sep 13, 2018 - 4:00am
I have just been offered a rare glimpse into the philosophy of pedantic pedagogy as perpetrated by our own rabbi of rascalous rantings, Dr. Rupert Green.  Perhaps I shall no longer name myself amongst the numbers of the uninitiated.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 13, 2018 - 6:51am
Someone who was pedantic was simply a tutor or teacher. Pendantic. Overly concerned with minute details or formalisms, especially in teaching.
Rascalous. One who has a playfully mischievous, or cheekystate of mind.
 
@ Junior. I can either give you thanks or put a few curse words across your bow if a praise or an insult was the intent of your response. Still, if an insult was your intent, I would not issue a curse, but I would admire the deftness you employed in delivering same. 
 
Your response presents a teachable moment because some here make responses to posts based only on reading the headings. Thus, their uninitiatedness is evident from their responses that are 100% out of phase with the posts.
 
As I performed a sentence analysis to determine the true meaning of your response (see bolded), the utility of WBer responses to posts could be elevated with same. 
 
Overall, your cleverly worded response makes it still difficult to easily determine if you are a rhetorical friend, foe, or fiend. Still, absent malapropism, one word warrants my claim that your response was not written for the advancement of your endearment of me. Can anyone reveal the word?
 
Thanks for your nicely worded insult and the lessons on the unnecessary use of threats and vile words it portends for others here. 
 
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 13, 2018 - 12:26pm
Dr. Rupert Green,
I also enjoyed FJs romp in the Greenerian jungle of pedagogical noodliness.
 
Indeed, the teacher is  a treasure and I have sought them out my whole life because I seek understanding and skill. Skill because
 
 Girls like guys with skills!, you know, nunchuk skills, bowhunting skills....
 
So I learn, share what I have learned,  and have fun at the same time.  But a teacher I am not -I may try my hand at that in the next life.
 
My highest respects for a true teacher. Ive had several.  
But may favorite is Rex Kwando 
 
Mustafa
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 13, 2018 - 1:45pm
"Dr. Rupert Green,
I also enjoyed FJs romp in the Greenerian jungle of pedagogical noodliness."
 
@ Kemal, your response is a riot and I am sure even the Brits here are challenged to maintain a stiff upper lip in trying to avoid laughing. Additionally, the White-supremacists here are in disputation as to whether to make me a made brother-- an honorary KKK member. I am no threat physically or rhetorically. ( They are unaware I am killing them softly with " pedagogical noodliness.")
 
Yes, teaching and learning  is advanced when it is phun and memorable. Parents are the first and primary teacher. Often a segway from the terse politics, race baiting, race putting down, or intellectual masturbation in posts is necessary to replenish burned out neurons. Good videos. I like the stone fried fare and the crushing of the can by the uncle. Still, I do not endorse the suggestion of MFing it conveyed.
 
Mustafa Kemal Added Sep 13, 2018 - 5:08pm
I think a tale told by the Grand Magi Dr. Rupert Green at the Digital Tavern would be welcomed by many. I know I would love to hear one.
 
BTW I have long identified with the likes of Daryl Davis and have successfully worked his style of magic quite often. 
 
Mustafa
 
 
Flying Junior Added Sep 14, 2018 - 4:18am
Dr. Green,
 
I only used the word perpetrated in a comical tone as part of my alliteration.  I didn't intend to be unclear.
 
The term uninitiated was in reference to one of my responses to one of your articles much earlier this year.  I unabashedly claimed that your praise of the monster was nothing more than gibberish to the uninitiated.  It was very likely a reasonable statement.
 
I'm not your foe.  I am not a fiend.  I would be happy to be your friend.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 14, 2018 - 6:30am
@ Junior
 
"Dr. Green,
 
I only used the word perpetrated in a comical tone as part of my alliteration.  I didn't intend to be unclear.  I'm not your foe.  I am not a fiend.  I would be happy to be your friend."
 
 
That is so. We will all get along as a WB writer advanced. The lesson is such relation must be developed via individual to individual, not on group stereotyping. Surprising to most, it could be found that a KKK member may have an endearing Black friend.
 
"I have just been offered a rare glimpse into the philosophy of pedantic pedagogy as perpetrated by our own rabbi of rascalous rantings, Dr. Rupert Green. Perhaps I shall no longer name myself amongst the numbers of the uninitiated." Junior
 
Because of the multiple levels and meanings of communication, hasty generalization, and deviation from context, the wrong conclusion can be drawn.  I mistakenly conclude that you insulted me, and I am glad I did not make such an assertion. My conclusion was based on a word I asked writers to identify. The culprit-word was ranting (not, uninitiatedin bold above. The meaning follows
 
Ranting. "To speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way; rave:"
 
"The term uninitiated was in reference to one of my responses to one of your articles much earlier this year." Junior
 
True on above, but the link was not made to the prior article to provide clarity.  Yes indeed, wise words may sound as foolishness to the ignoramus and backwood/water folks on WB who are not into book learning of those northerners ( consider that Americans are pragmatic people and so the utility of their belief is understandable).
 
There is a lesson for all on providing citations and using triangulation to strengthen one's argument.  Many WBers cite by providing a link to spurious or uncredible sources. WIKI is not a credible source on its own. However, examining the in-text citations can lead to credible sources. That is triangulation.
 
If I wanted to assert a conclusion regarding the post in question, I would have visited your prior responses to my posts. Clearly, they would reveal that you were not antagonistic towards me, but rather supportive. That is triangulation--finding other sources to strengthen a claim.
 
"Perhaps I shall no longer name myself amongst the numbers of the uninitiated."Junior
 
You were already in the rank of the initiated as your works speak volume for you.
 
Finally, I believe WB can become stronger if groups of writers collaborate to secure grants to write books which WB can sell (if a not-for-profit corporation) to acquire funds and offer stipends to its writers to advance projects to help struggling children around the world. That I believe is a better way to expend mental energies as opposed to insulting each other.
 
I now take leave to concentrate on writing a grant for some money. I will return after I am done.
 
"alliteration," 'pedagogical noodliness", the imprimatur of your impromptu and insightful musings"
 
As per preceding, have you noticed the increased usage of literary tools and the expansion of vocabulary beyond three syllable words?
 
The initiated here must model best practices for fellow members, and to not assume they know how to do what they set out to do. Children usually use indecent language because they lack the vocabulary to express themselves.
 
What the "fuk." Adults use it as shock treatment and to explain to their partner the degree of work ( hard or gently) that must be performed in the privacy of their bedrooms.  
 
Flying Junior Added Sep 14, 2018 - 10:06pm
From my bloggy friends in days past, a good rant was generally seen in a positive way as most of us have issues that rankle us somewhat out of our composed states.
 
I have often wondered why there is little, if any, citation to back up wild claims seen on the WB.  At first I thought that it might be a tradition.  If a writer had the audacity to state something as simple fact, perhaps it was factual.  It might be something that most people are aware of and agree to be true.  It might be something that everybody should be able to find out for themselves independently.
 
But then we see this microcosm where we don't really believe each other's news and science sources whatsoever.  Citation seems like an easy ticket for refutation based upon the source material.
Neil Lock Added Sep 16, 2018 - 3:35pm
Flying Junior: That was a really, really good comment. We don't really believe each other's news and science sources whatsoever. Absolutely spot on. There's a big difference between those who respect facts and those that merely promote narratives. (And there's a third class; those who know that difference. And you and I both belong to that class).
 
Myself, I avoid citations and links except where absolutely necessary. But for a much more mundane reason than you put forward; merely because they interrupt the flow of what I'm trying to say.
 
In the age of the Internet, anyone should be able to check the truth of a stated "fact." Except, of course, that those with agendas like to obfuscate the truth with their Big Lies and their "fake news."