Race: A Parable

Written elsewhere by me in 2013, and reposted because I see no reason to reinvent the wheel. I wouldn’t say that I generally concentrate on race in my posts but response to my last post , “Race Question from 1969,” leads me to conclude that this would be a good addition to the current conversation. 

 

In 1943, a Nazi officer walks through a labor camp chewing on a hunk of bread. He sees a group of emaciated Jews staring at him through a fence. So, on impulse, he tosses his piece of bread over the fence and they fight over it. "Those Jews are such animals," he thinks.

However, being a fair-minded guy, he wants to make sure he's not generalizing, so he decides to run an experiment. He visits a string of labor camps in Germany and Poland and, at each one, he throws a piece of bread to the inmates. In all cases, they fight over the bread.

When he goes to enough camps, he can conclude with a clear conscience that Jews are indeed animals.

Welcome to being Black in America. Racism is pretty much built on this model.

 

What's wrong with the officer's conclusion? After all, he conscientiously replicated his results. Well, if he'd gotten on a U-boat, slipped past American maritime security, been delivered to Long Island (this actually happened once during the War), gotten himself to a Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn, found a group of Jews outdoors (perhaps in a public park) and thrown a hunk of bread in their direction,some little kid would have said: "Look, Mommy, that blond man is feeding the pidgeons!"

 

What we see here is a lot of people being blamed for the consequences of externally controlled variables. If you abuse people intensely enough for long enough, you get consequences. Blaming the victims of these consequences for being victims is disingenuous at best, highly hypocritical at worst. There are people who will get past those consequences, actually a lot of people, but it takes extra effort to get past them, effort that the majority of the population not only doesn't have to put out but that the majority of the population finds mostly invisible.

 

When I originally published this, a Black friend responding to this post talked about how his overcoming such obstacles led to his encountering resentment and even hatred (from Whites).  My response to him was:

 

“They partially resent you for having done so, not having a remote clue as to exactly what you've done, and they really resent what little help you've gotten and attribute everything you've achieved to that help. That one foot boost you got to scale that eight foot wall really shows how incapable you are (given that the rest of us had no wall in our path).”

Comments

Ward Tipton Added Sep 18, 2018 - 8:08am
You are correct in some aspects, but certainly not all. That being said, there will always be ignorant people who insist on showing the world their a$$ ... I mean their personal bias and prejudice. 
 
There are so many other considerations that are not looked at here, that it begs the asking of why ... is it perhaps that there are too many to discuss in a few short paragraphs? Having written some articles over seven or eight thousand words here, I assure you that people will read more if this is indeed the case. If not, then perhaps you are unaware of these extenuating issues or circumstances? Some here will simply presume you are avoiding them. 
 
You are correct about the long-term influence, and adverse social reactions in response. The evidence for this can be seen in other countries that have been occupied for hundreds of years and where great oppression has occurred. (Think about how Mayans are treated in Mexico by the Eurocentric "Hispanics" of Spanish (Not Mexican) descent. Think the Philippines with over four hundred years of foreign rule. This phenomena often results in people refusing to accept even the most helpful advice in what may be classified as an almost instinctive reflex. even in cases where they may be fully aware that such advice is ultimately sound. 


Unfortunately, the biggest piece missing of all is that, until these people no matter who they are, decide to change their culture and to change their frame of mind, there is quite literally nothing that anyone can do that will be seen as "beneficial" no matter how helpful ... or even harmful it may be. 
 
LBJ did not come up with the "War on Poverty" all on his own, but his quotes and the statistical figures from before and after that time should speak volumes for the current morass. 
Spartacus Added Sep 18, 2018 - 9:19am
That one foot boost you got to scale that eight foot wall really shows how incapable you are (given that the rest of us had no wall in our path).
 
Name one "one-foot boost" which we "white people" have which we can denounce and help fix our racism problem.
 
NAME ONE! 
 
I didn't have a "one-foot boost" in my life.  I was a product of a failed marriage which is exactly the biggest problem within intercities today and the biggest determining factor in a child's life for an impoverished future.  I was luckily able to overcome but it had nothing to do with skin tone -- unless you can prove me wrong somehow.
 
Here, I'll do one better for you.  Here is a video from a "black" dude -- actually a professor.  He calls himself a "black" man.  Not sure why because he looks more brown than black.  He addresses this racist fallacy that you are promoting here.
 
Another video from another "black" professor.  He is speaking to people just like you.
Steel Breeze Added Sep 18, 2018 - 10:10am
Kosh,as you know, i tend to avoid social justice discussions.....like i said before, if we woke up tomorrow and were all the same shade of gray, we would immediately find/invent new ways to discrimminate.......got no answer...
Koshersalaami Added Sep 18, 2018 - 1:06pm
SB,
I can’t avoid them. The issue is too important to me.
 
William:
Affirmative Action.
 
Ward,
Nothing anyone can do? I’ll give you a start, and it’s even something that George F. Will was talked into agreeing with:
 
Funding school systems by state instead of by locality so that schools in poor neighborhoods aren’t underfunded. As long as access to decent primary education is unequal, we’re going to see unequal results. It won’t fix everything - nothing will - but it would help quite a bit. 
 
The solution isn’t race-based but it doesn’t have to be. One would argue that the same is true of poor White neighborhoods and my answer is that for that reason the same solution should apply. 
 
Further than that, I’d penalize judges for drastically unequal sentencing over time. This is race based because the problem is race based. If we look at defendants accused of equivalent crimes and having equivalent criminal records, Black male sentencing is on average way higher. There is no way to account for this other than institutional racism because it holds even after other variables are controlled for. 
 
Another thing I’d suggest is not tailoring suggested sentences to ethnic patterns. For example, the penalties for cocaine possession and crack cocaine possession are drastically different and, I assume without coincidence, crack is way more correlated with Black users. 
 
Anything I say in this area is likely to be met with a “yes but.” Anytime any racism is pointed out it is met with a “yes but.” You can look at that string of high profile police shootings of unarmed Black males and you will see most if not all of them defended by people telling you that there is no evidence racism was involved in this case. I could pick a case at random and it will happen here. 
Spartacus Added Sep 18, 2018 - 4:52pm
William:
Affirmative Action.
 
You are an idiot . . . that is not a "one-foot boost" for white people.
Koshersalaami Added Sep 18, 2018 - 5:26pm
SK,
Would you react the same way to Irish Entertainment TV or Italian Entertainment TV or Greek Entertainment TV?
 
Let me back up a minute. I have to remember that I’m new here and there are a lot of things no one here has seen me talk about. 
 
Racial identity is actually very minor because race has no culture. We confuse it with ethnic identity, which is where the culture is. In most cultures, like mine, the racial and ethnic boundaries are nowhere near each other. In the case of White people in general, this is a more mixed bag because some in America have over time assimilated out of their original European cultures and so White functions kind of like ethnicity, even though there are a whole lot of White people for whom this is not true. So, sometimes White can be an ethnic designation of a sort but most of the time it’s an umbrella for a whole lot of ethnicities, which Black mostly is not. In the case of Blacks, the ethnic and racial boundaries overlap heavily, the exception being more recent Black immigrants from places like the West Indies, who this assumed overlap drive absolutely nuts. Because Black race and American slave descended ethnicity overlap so heavily and because race is so much more physically obvious than ethnicity, most of us identify that population culturally by race, which is wrong and leads to all sorts of trouble. BET is about ethnicity/culture and not about race per se at all. Black Power is the equivalent of Irish Power. Because of the racial difference and the color vocabulary - which implies both symmetry and opposition - a lot of us look at Black anything as being designed to exclude Whites in particular. That’s not the point, it’s just ethnic identification. It’s not about exclusion. Actually, it’s about their setting up a network where they can be generally included. 
 
Hyphens. As a Jewish American, I have a strong ethnic identity. I do not have dual citizenship, I do not want dual citizenship, and most hyphenated Americans do not have or want dual citizenship. Politically speaking I am American. The United States is my country, and one of the reasons people like me love the United States and are extremely loyal to it is that the United States accepts my ethnicity without giving me crap about it. Very few people have ever told me that because I’m Jewish I should leave, which makes sense given that I have a pair of American born great grandparents, I’m not fluent in a foreign language, and I am culturally American without question. 
 
Having loyalties to a people is different than having loyalties to a country, a luxury we have because we are American and America doesn’t have its own tribal identity (aside from politically dispossessed Native Americans) in the sense that countries in Europe and Asia do. This is one of America’s biggest comparative strengths in that we can integrate immigrants successfully in ways that non-Western Hemisphere countries struggle with - see Europe’s problems with Arab immigrants. Those loyalties to a people are mainly about protectiveness from harm and particularly from unfair treatment. 
 
William,
Wait, you wanted a one foot boost for White people? Why? Over what? We don’t have an eight foot wall to climb. We don’t have a one foot wall to climb. Are you trying to tell me that you as a White guy feel disadvantaged because you’re White?
 
Before you answer that, let me broaden the question:
Do you feel disadvantaged to the point that you would trade places with another group because you think that would put you generally ahead of where you are now?
Spartacus Added Sep 18, 2018 - 5:49pm
 Wait, you wanted a one foot boost for White people? Why?
 
Gawd I feel like I am arguing with a 12-year old. 
 
You are the one that is saying "white privilege" is causing the distress for people with a "black" skin tone (and by the way, there are no more "blacks" in the USA). 
 
Again, give me an example of "white privilege" which I can reject to "cleanse" me of my "white privilege".   Give me an example of a law or some secret "white club" rule which we can denounce together.  I would do this gladly.
The only example you can come up with is Affirmative Action.  I agree that it is the ONLY example of a "one-foot boost" which is racist and unfair to all people who are not "black" or "Hispanic".  However, it is not a "one-foot boost" for white people . . . completely opposite of your whole point in this dumbass article promoting racism.
Koshersalaami Added Sep 18, 2018 - 6:11pm
What exactly do you mean by “there are no more ‘blacks’ in the USA”? In that case I know an awful lot of nonexistent people. I don’t think I’m quite that delusional. Nor do I think they are. So what the Hell are you talking about?
 
And I’m not promoting racism. I’d rather get rid of it, but that’s difficult to do when dealing with fools who want to pretend it doesn’t exist and who somehow can’t grasp the awfully simple concept that keeping it around is more divisive than getting rid of it. It’s extremely easy to pretend it doesn’t exist when you’re not who it targets. 
 
 
Jeff Michka Added Sep 18, 2018 - 6:52pm
Hey, Silly Stockpot....when was the last time you got told to sit in the back of the bus?  When was the last time you couldn't eat at a lunch counter for "Blacks only?"  When was the last time you got a rope put around your neck for ogling that black woman in a short skirt  When was the last time you tried to land a job, but were turned down because you are white?  And if you got the gig, you got paid 80% of what some white guy would get for the same work?  And KS, that claim of "there are no more black people in the US," means "those people" can't exist, and as they're nonexistant, instantly disproving any claims of racism, specifically, Trumpists claims about race. 
Cullen Kehoe Added Sep 18, 2018 - 8:29pm
I see what you're trying to do. 
 
But...are you comparing growing up black in America to being a Jew in a concentration camp in the Holocaust? 
Spartacus Added Sep 18, 2018 - 11:44pm
And I’m not promoting racism.
 
Yes, you are.  And you know it.  You are the one that is reiterating labels and skin-color references which you cannot define yourself.  You won't even answer my question which I have already asked you two times.
 
--Name one "one-foot boost" which we "white people" have which we can denounce and help fix our racism problem.
 
--Again, give me an example of "white privilege" which I can reject to "cleanse" me of my "white privilege".   Give me an example of a law or some secret "white club" rule which we can denounce together.  I would do this gladly.
 
You won't answer because you cant.  You are sheep just following the flock.  You cannot think for yourself but continue to regurgitate the lies.  I think you know this.  You lefties are the only people writing articles here about skin-tone-porn.  Do you read anyone here else who is advocating discrimination based on skin color?  You don't because it is a non-issue but your cult needs to maintain its voter-base by making sure racism is alive and well.  And it is alive and well right within the Democratic party.
 
 
 
 
 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 19, 2018 - 12:51am
Cullen,
No, I am not comparing the experiences. Persecution can come in very different varieties such that comparing them is often pointless. Jews haven’t faced mass cultural eradication like Blacks and Blacks haven’t faced physical extermination like Jews. The point behind the analogy is judging a minority population based on artificially enforced conditions applying to the whole observable population. 
 
William,
Are you really asking me for an example of White privilege? You’ve never been given an example of it? To begin with, the problem with what you’re asking is that White privilege typically entails freedom from a series of negatives and the point is not to extend the negatives to Whites, which would do no good, but to remove them from Blacks. You’re not likely to be pulled over for no reason other than that the sight of you makes cops suspicious like Black guys are but there would be no point in pulling you over pointlessly to make things equal. The solution isn’t to start profiling you, it’s to stop profiling them. Most White privilege works like that. It’s not a series of boosts so much as a series of Not Pits. 
Flying Junior Added Sep 19, 2018 - 3:57am
William denies any existence of white privilege in the U.S.
 
Racism is officially over.  The civil rights movement succeeded.
Koshersalaami Added Sep 19, 2018 - 8:44am
William still hasn’t answered my question about what he means by Blacks not existing in the first place. 
 
FJ, I’ve dealt with guys before on other sites who actually believe what you just said. I knew a guy who thought that Johnson ended racism. They figure if Jim Crow is really over, things are equal. I guess by similar measures we can also say that sexism is officially over. 
 
The argument, seen on these pages now, is that whatever obstacles Blacks face are self-induced, a product of their culture. One point of my first post, at this point my only other post, is that upon arrival their culture was pretty much eradicated and had to be reconstructed under pressure. The point of this post is that they’re still under pressure. 
 
I’m wondering how people could miss this. We know from scientists that race is biologically an insignificant variable. If that’s true, why are we seeing substantial differences in average economic results? If the difference isn’t genetic, it has to be environmental. Who controls the economy? Who controls access to the economy? Who hires? Who controls how education is funded? Who controls differentiation in law enforcement? Who controls differentiation in prosecution? 
 
There’s an old anonymous poem, not written about race, that fits race pretty well:
 
It's not my place to run the train
The whistle I can't blow.

It's not my place to say how far
The train's allowed to go.

It's not my place to shoot off steam
Nor even clang the bell.

But let the damn thing jump the track
And see who catches hell.
 
opher goodwin Added Sep 19, 2018 - 11:38am
I think it is extremely hard to develop a level playing field. There are so many prejudices and discriminations at work - often subliminal. Likewise the psychology of those who have been oppressed (and are still oppressed) is often complex and counterproductive.
I think that good education in schools that intermingle with positive ethos is the answer.
Full integration is hard to achieve.
Sunshine Kid Added Sep 19, 2018 - 1:27pm
opher goodwin - The only problem I have in developing a level playing field is the tendency to allow the less capable to have a head start.  The level playing field is not to get everyone to the goal at the same time, but to give everyone an equal start without restrictions of any kind.  The "level playing field" is a myth that is drummed up to enable the less qualified to do the more demanding work, leaving the most qualified to look for lesser jobs.  The result is inefficiency and cost overruns, making any final product less useful and more prone to failure.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 19, 2018 - 4:14pm
So Koshersalaami---I'm awaiting for your dissertation on Jewish Messianism!  Please explain. Do really!
Koshersalaami Added Sep 19, 2018 - 4:35pm
Messianism is not central to most non-Orthodox (by far the most numerically significant in America) Judaism. It’s pie in the sky, some day we’ll get there stuff. What is important in Judaism is social justice. 
 
When looking at any religion, it helps to understand the difference between what is included and what is emphasized. 
 
Here’s something you might not know about Judaism, and this includes Orthodox Judaism:
 
Within Judaism, entrance to Heaven is not restricted to Jews. That in itself should tell you that Judaism does not generally operate on the premise that we’re all going to be the same. 
 
I’ll go further, It is a Chasidic precept (and these guys are ultra-Orthodox) that it is better to be a good person and an atheist than a bad person and a Jew. 
 
Not that they always act like they believe that. 
 
Here’s something else you might not know about Judaism:
 
I assume you know that the Torah is our holiest, most central document. In Orthodoxy it is viewed as authored by God. Because it is studied in excruciating detail, one thing that has been tracked is how many times things are mentioned, as a clue to intended emphasis. The single thing mentioned more times than anything else in the Torah is treatment of the stranger. 
 
Here’s yet another thing you might not know about Judaism: We don’t seek converts; in fact, we make it difficult to convert to Judaism, to the point where traditionally a rabbi refuses a request for conversion three times before really considering it. Why? Because Judaism is about the mission, not about fate. As I said before, conversion to Judaism doesn’t save you from anything like it can with Christianity because you aren’t damned by not being Jewish in the first place. Has it ever occurred to you to wonder why the Jewish population is so minimal? We haven’t made up our Holocaust losses yet - we were at 18 million before WWII and now we’re between 15 and 16 million worldwide. Which is, by the way, roughly 1/100th the population of Islam. I assume you’ve figured out that the reason our population is small is not based on a Jewish inability to sell. 
 
Regardless of what you think of Jewish Messianism, this doesn’t add up to a massive emphasis on homogeneity. 
 
 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 19, 2018 - 4:56pm
Opher,
Yes, it’s extremely hard to develop a level playing field, but it’s a good thing to get a whole lot closer than we are, both for moral and economic (business) reasons. We’ll never get all the way there but, to use another example, we’ll never eliminate murder but it’s still a good idea to keep it illegal because every dent helps. 
 
The lack of a level playing field has bad consequences. People worry about how much it would cost to get more level without looking at the cost of it being so tilted. When figuring out whether to invest in any process, it is logically imperative to ask two questions:
1. What does it cost if we do this?
2. What does it cost if we don’t do this?
The answer to the second question is almost never “nothing.” 
We look at an America where the poorest 60% of the population owns maybe 5% of the wealth - and the poorest 40% owns about 3/10 of 1%. We tend to view that as a social justice problem but it’s also America’s biggest business problem. What I just said is in essence that two out of five American consumers are AWOL for a lot of American businesses. And, from a business problem it’s actually worse than that because poor people need to spend what money they make quickly while wealthier people can often hang on to it, understanding that it is the spending that creates jobs, profits, and tax revenues. 
 
That’s before we get to the costs of a permanent underclass. (If nothing else, think of the hours and hours spent talking about that on this site alone.) A smaller customer base. A less qualified worker base for businesses. Higher social services costs, including welfare. Higher crime rates and the myriad of expenses associated with that, and those expenses are massive. The necessity for legislating and enforcing strategems for mitigating unequal access, and the social divisiveness that brings about (pick almost any thread here). Extra health care costs from bad nutrition and care, along with government help with those costs. 
 
Sometimes I really hate that liberals are so shy about talking about money when that’s often the most effective way to talk to conservatives, because whether or not they share our definition of social justice, they all understand expense and waste. 
Jeff Michka Added Sep 19, 2018 - 6:05pm
KS, I think you hit it at the end of your article.  The screaming from WB rightists is you celebrate the work of some people to improve their lot, not necessarily relying on "hand outs" that absolutely infuriate rightist.  Blacks that improve their lot are looked on as only having been able to do so with the hand and "permission" of white folks.  Willy Stockpot's "anger" stems from this, IMO.  Others are so certain blacks work to keep themselves as "victims" also fall into that category.  Now, OTOH, many Trumpists want handouts and the "free stuff' they accuse minorities of getting before those "good white people"; that deserve it.  If Willy Stockpot was getting a share of free stuff, he'd be a lot happier rightist.  *shrug*
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 19, 2018 - 6:59pm
Koshersalaami,---I'm asking what does Jewish Messianism require?
 
And your social justice is really about installing Jewish Messianism. Karl Marx was an atheist, a Materialist but he still was working toward the goals of Jewish Messianism. 
 
Is it Social Justice to genocide a country from within?
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 19, 2018 - 7:43pm
The Jewish Ethic and the Spirit of Socialism, Weisberger elaborates further on the Jewish idea:
 
“Messianism envisions human existence as a three-part process, consisting of an original unity, a middle period in which man has "fallen" into history, and an eschatological final period. Messianism sees history as destined for the restoration of the original unity broken by the sin of Adam. The Jewish discontent with the present is rooted in the feeling of loss of this original harmony and the deep desire for its return. Jewish messianism understands the restoration of the original unity as a public, communal event which occurs on the stage of history. It is here that Jewish and Christian messianism has parted company.”
 
Isn't that YOUR Social Justice?  Race-mixing?  Notice that this is about Socialism!  You don't have to be an Orthodox Jew to engage in this!  Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, The Bushes, the Karl Roves, John McCain, The New York Times, PBS, all Masonic Lodges, International Socialism, Democratic Socialism, Bernie Sanders,  the Obamas, all of Christianity now---all engage in this.  
 
What is Social Justice?   right there=====Jewish Discontent. That is what Social Justice is. 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 19, 2018 - 7:53pm
If social justice is really Jewish discontent, I’m more proud of being Jewish than I’ve ever been.  Not that I think we can claim sole credit. 
 
You’re relying too much on a single author to explain Judaism to you. He’s talking about his take on a single aspect of Judaism that isn’t even dominant within Judaism. I gave you more generalizable sources on the subject. 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 19, 2018 - 7:54pm
And social justice has nothing whatever to do with killing a country. Nothing. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 19, 2018 - 8:15pm
Oh yea?  Social Justice is "Racism is evil". Race is Nation. To attack Racism is to attack the operation of Race---thus genocide!
 
Social Justice is Cultural Marxism.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 19, 2018 - 8:36pm
Rosa Luxemburg, Jewish, who led the German Spartacist League, quoted Karl Kautsky, another Jew:
 
 “Kautsky formulates – as far as we know, for the first time in socialistic literature of recent times – the historical tendency to remove completely all national distinctions within the socialist system and to fuse all of civilized humanity into one nationality."
 
Now, is Karl Kautsky an Orthodox Jew?  Is Rosa Luxemburg an Orthodox Jew?  
 
You are pushing this FUSING all of humanity into one nationality!  Your Social Justice is this. 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 19, 2018 - 8:42pm
Don’t confuse Marx and Judaism, but mostly,
 
Race Is Not Nation Here
 
In Europe, yes. What makes America exceptional is precisely that it is not. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 19, 2018 - 9:02pm
America is a false construct---and it is now breaking down. That is why I posted on the Natural Law. Race IS Nation. Nation is about Homogeneity. Race is about Homogeneity. Race is a French word for Breed. Nation is a Latin word based on the Latin word nascio which meand Birth. They are synonymous!
 
America is a Masonic construct. Masonry is built on Jewish Messianism. That is why the US Seal has on it "Novus Ordo", i.e. New Order. The New Order is about building that World Unity that Jewish Messianism requires. 
Cullen Kehoe Added Sep 19, 2018 - 9:39pm
Race is a false construct based on one's perspective. 
 
Even still it's powerful.
 
Some would call Greeks, Italians, or Spanish (Mediterranean people) different races from Nordic / Celtic people (British Isles or Scandinavia). Some think Arabs and Turks are different races; others think they are all from the 'Middle East'. 
 
Others think Japanese and Chinese and Korean are all different races. White Americans would call them all 'Asian'.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 19, 2018 - 10:32pm
Cullen Kehoe who earlier claims to be a Christian doesn't know the Bible. Psalm 85, "....and all the nations whom thou hast created". 
 
God created race. Race, Nation, Ethnicity are all synonymous.  To say that Race/nation is a false construct is to genocide. 
 
And yes Cullen Some races are Europeans, Some Races are Slavic, Some races are Africans, Some races are Semites. They are grouped together by their affinity. Even though the Basques live in Spain, they are not Indo-Europeans. 
 
To dissolve race by either by attacking the nomenclature or by psychological means, i.e. the racism canard, or by ethnic dilution, race-mixing is Genocide. I'm hope all these people recognize what they are, and that they are reprobates. 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 19, 2018 - 11:50pm
If race is nation, what race is America? And what makes you think America is breaking down now more than at any other time, other than the lunatic we sort of elected President? Race relations have been worse than they are now. 
 
There’s a much simpler reason America is viewed as a New Order. It wasn’t a monarchy. Also, it had a lot of unusual enshrined rights, like religion. And it wasn’t tribal like European countries. It doesn’t take a conspiracy theory to see why the US constituted a New Order. 
Cullen Kehoe Added Sep 20, 2018 - 2:13am
@Lindsay, Do you cringe when you hear the story of Pocahontas then? Terrible mixing of races that God wants to stay separate? 
 
Hernan Cortez and La Malinche? Detestable?
 
Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings (which began in France where she was technically "free")? Repugnant?
 
Marlon Brando and Tarita Teri'ipaia, his Pacific Island wife which produced 2 children? 
 
Was Bob Marley (half black , half white) an abomination? 

Former President Obama, half white and half black, is he without a "nation"? 
 
I think you're so wrong there's no shade of grey. Christianity doesn't support your position either. There's plenty of "interracial marriage" in the Old Testament which is presented in a positive light (Rahab, Ruth, Uriah, Esther, etc....). 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 20, 2018 - 3:21am
And the Bible condemns miscegenation, Cullen.
 
1 Kings 11:1-2 - But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites; Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.
 
Ezra 10:2-3 - And Shechaniah the son of Jehiel, one of the sons of Elam, answered and said unto Ezra, We have trespassed against our God, and have taken strange wives of the people of the land: yet now there is hope in Israel concerning this thing. Now therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all the wives, and such as are born of them, according to the counsel of my lord, and of those that tremble at the commandment of our God; and let it be done according to the law.
 
Ezra 10:10-12 - And Ezra the priest stood up, and said unto them, Ye have transgressed, and have taken strange wives, to increase the trespass of Israel. Now therefore make confession unto the LORD God of your fathers, and do his pleasure: and separate yourselves from the people of the land, and from the strange wives. Then all the congregation answered and said with a loud voice, As thou hast said, so must we do.
 
Nehemiah 9:1-2 Now in the twenty and fourth day of this month the children of Israel were assembled with fasting, and with sackclothes, and earth upon them. And the seed of Israel separated themselves from all strangers, and stood and confessed their sins, and the iniquities of their fathers.
 
Nehemiah 13:23-30 - In those days also saw I Jews that had married wives of Ashdod, of Ammon, and of Moab: And their children spake half in the speech of Ashdod, and could not speak in the Jews' language, but according to the language of each people. And I contended with them, and cursed them, and smote certain of them, and plucked off their hair, and made them swear by God, saying, Ye shall not give your daughters unto their sons, nor take their daughters unto your sons, or for yourselves. Did not Solomon king of Israel sin by these things? yet among many nations was there no king like him, who was beloved of his God, and God made him king over all Israel: nevertheless even him did outlandish women cause to sin. Shall we then hearken unto you to do all this great evil, to transgress against our God in marrying strange wives? And one of the sons of Joiada, the son of Eliashib the high priest, was son in law to Sanballat the Horonite: therefore I chased him from me. Remember them, O my God, because they have defiled the priesthood, and the covenant of the priesthood, and of the Levites. Thus cleansed I them from all strangers, and appointed the wards of the priests and the Levites, every one in his business…’
 
There's your Biblical lesson for you Cullen. The Bible teaches that miscegenation is wrong. 
 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 20, 2018 - 3:27am
Koshersalaami, America is just another Yugoslavia, a Lebanon. 
 
Here is what Freemasonry teaches:
 
From the 1910 Catholic Encylopædia, Fr. Hermann Gruber's excellent research:
 
“This "universal religion of Humanity" which gradually removes the accidental divisions of mankind due to particular opinions "or religious", national, and social "prejudices", is to be the bond of union among men in the Masonic society, conceived as the model of human association in general.”[1]
 
"Humanity" is the term used to designate the essential principle of Masonry. It is the one of the two principle dogmas of Freemasonry, “The Brotherhood of Man”. Masons claim to have built the Tower of Babel; in order to return to it, everybody is a ‘man’—there are no races, only ‘humanity’. Fr. Gruber is quoting from document from as early as 1747. And then with its program of “Humanity”, its watchwords, then, become "tolerance", "unsectarian", "cosmopolitan". Notice that it also will engage in removing “social prejudices”. In another text of 1738, particular stress is laid on "freedom of conscience" and the universal, non-Christian character of Masonry is emphasized. The Mason is called a "true Noahida", i.e. an adherent of the pre-Christian and pre-Mosaic system of undivided mankind.
 
[1] New Advent, “Masonry”, chapter III. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09771a.htm
 
If God created ALL the nations of the earth---Are there "Accidental divisions"?  Absolutely NOT!  Why do you think I posted on the Natural Law. For Nature Segregates all by kind. "Birds of the Feather Flock together"!
 
What is a Noahide, Koshersalaami? It is Judaism for Gentiles!  Look what Masonry does---teach against "Social prejudice". Is that not your Social Justice Mantra?!?! The deep Jewish Discontent with Reality? Noahidism is taught by Jews to Gentiles. Is that not what your "Social Justice" is!
Cullen Kehoe Added Sep 20, 2018 - 4:56am
@Lindsay - I congratulate you (seriously) in that you've responded well to me. 
 
However, I would contend two things in response. One, things were different in the Old Testament in that the 'people of God' were literally the Jewish race (and corresponding nation-state). If someone wanted to join the Jews (i.e. become Jewish), they could do so. But that would mean get circumcised if a man, and adopt the Jewish religion and culture. 
 
That's STILL the rules as Donald Trump's daughter, Ivanka, has done that to marry her Jewish husband. She's converted to Judaism and her children are 'Jewish'. 
 
However, if the spouse has NOT done that, then it was wrong to have that person as a spouse in the Old Testament. It's a subtle, yet important, distinction. Also, there is an isolated command in the Torah that the leader of the Jews must never take many foreign wives (Deut 17:17). So Solomon, for instance, was in error in 2 ways for having many wives and for not marrying either biological or converted Jews. 
 
That's point one. The second point was that even this convention is basically out the window in the New Testament. All Christians are now God's people. It's not based on race but rather faith in God. So every race or creed can be a Christian and can be part of "God's people" now.
 
Where, in the New Testament, does it say anything about the races staying separate? Paul, as a Jew, went to the Greek Gentiles and started churches composed of them which freaked out many Jews of his day but it was fine. He wrote the book of Romans to the church in Rome (...Rome was almost a modern city of people mixing from Europe and all over the Mediterranean). This most important command to keep the races separate never even entered the pages of this letter. You'd think since it was so important he might have time to spend a sentence or two on it. 
 
Jesus told his fathers to go to all nations to spread the good news. 
 
Paul said the following. I just don't think you really have a leg to stand on, despite you trying really hard: 
"There is no longer Jew or Greek, there is no longer slave or free, there is no longer male and female; for all of you are one in Christ Jesus."
Koshersalaami Added Sep 20, 2018 - 8:03am
Glad you think you live in Yugoslavia. And how exactly did a Black guy get elected President when only 12-14% of America’s population is Black? Oh, and re-elected?
 
The United States has always functioned as a multicultural country. At this point, the reason the United States is still a leader in the sciences is because of immigrants. Our science Nobel’s are mainly going to foreign-born Americans. Not that foreign-born scientific talent is new here. See Einstein.
 
In fact, in some respects the United States has always functioned successfully because it is a multicultural country. Other countries can’t import talent because they can’t integrate talent. You can’t go to China and become Chinese. You can’t go to Russia and become Russian. You can’t exactly to go France and become French, though that’s closer. But you can easily come to the United States and become American.  It’s normal. 
 
Have you ever wondered why extremist Muslim terrorism is so much lower here than in Europe? The biggest episode of extremist Muslim terrorism, 9/11, was perpetrated by Arabs who either grew up in the Middle East or in Europe but not here. In Europe, they tend to be a resentful population because they still face unemployment after multiple generations because of bigotry. Here they get jobs because here they’re accepted as Americans, and those who were given homes, lives, and acceptance here are far less inclined to allow terrorism from their own communities to reach fruition. Even after 9/11, the one good thing Bush did was to insist that he would not tolerate anti-Muslim violence. When Trump proposed a Muslim ban, even Dick Cheney said “That’s unAmerican.” 
 
Some things this country gets right. This particular thing this country gets very right. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 20, 2018 - 9:35am
Koshersalaami, you know God in the Bible called you and your people, "that stiff-necked and rebellious people"!  You and your people have not changed being rebellious. 
 
Kosher writes: Glad you think you live in Yugoslavia. And how exactly did a Black guy get elected President when only 12-14% of America’s population is Black? Oh, and re-elected?
 
Does not the Bible teach---that you shall NOT have any foreigners rule over you!  Obama hated this country and did everything in his power to destroy. The presidency of Obama was a disgrace. 
 
And NO you are absolutely wrong on being "multicultural". I point to the 1925 Nationalities Act as trying to preserve the Northern European character of America. 
 
Then I point to the 1965 Immigration Act. Prof. Kevin MacDonald's excellent and exhaustive research: Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy 1881-1965: A Historical Review. A huge 91 page dissertation. It shows that the Jews who were 1% of the population are about re-designing America FOR THEIR OWN SELFISH INTERESTS!  They turned America into the Tower of Babel. After WWII, some Jews wanted to "de-nazify" America and yet they began this process BEFORE WWII!  This is Ethnic Dilution!  This is about Turning America into the Tower of Babel!
 
How many hundreds of thousands of Anglo-Saxons died stopping the Third Reich---and this is how the Jews repay us---by genociding us by Ethnic Dilution. You people are really master genociders! You and your people have absolutely NO compunction; you take NO responsibility!  The 1965 Immigration Act was a thorough Jewish design and plan to make the Anglo-Saxon a minority in his own country! You have absolutely ZERO soprhosyne. Who are You to dictate to us Europeans how we shall live and direct our own destiny? You guys are shameless!
Koshersalaami Added Sep 20, 2018 - 11:19am
Oh well, it didn’t take long to find the first antisemite here, did it? At least I know who I’m dealing with. Thanks for that. 
 
I’ll tell you something about stiff-necked. We get called that a lot because when people want us to change our religion to theirs we refuse. We think we’re right. Of course, every other religion in the world thinks it’s right or it wouldn’t exist, but somehow only we get called on that. 
 
Redesigning America for what selfish interests? That’s what I think you’re doing. You’d rather break your country apart based on some half-assed racial theory which isn’t even racial. You’ve got people here from all over the world and you don’t like the idea of integration. Yeah, that’s helpful for your country. 
 
By the way, in terms of any ancestry I can trace recently, I am European. Anglo-Saxons haven’t been a majority here for a long time - most American Caucasians who can trace their ancestry to a particular country come from Germany, not England. 
 
Without immigration, we’d not only be turning into a scientific backwater, we wouldn’t be able to take care of Americans as they age. Most wealthy countries don’t have birth rates that keep up with deaths, so their populations are shrinking. This is really bad in Europe and Japan. They can try to bring in immigrants but, as you can see in Europe, they can’t integrate them worth a damn. We can. Our population is at least stable. 
 
I don’t know where you’d rather be, but you sure didn’t choose here. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 20, 2018 - 2:21pm
And you're the first anti-European! One's anti-semite is the corallary to being Anti-European!
 
So your a convert to Judaism?
 
The Angles are a German Tribe. The Saxons are a German Tribe. The Jutes are a German Tribe. The Normans are a German Tribe. All of these Tribes form the English. 
 
It is interesting how you twist things. "Redesigning America for what selfish interests?" Did you Read Prof MacDonald's research???? The Jews HATED the 1925 Nationalities Act and sought to overthrow it and Did!
 
Where is the Logic in your statements?  I want to redesign America. How about Fidelity to a Righteous Law, the 1925 Nationalities Act. How about taking responsibility for the 1965 Immigration Act! 
 
To add to the Stiff-necked, and rebellious part, we need to add "BRAZEN". Brazen redirection. Not answer the Jewish Messianism part---we don't recognize that---throw aspersions at Europeans who complain about our Actions of Soft Genocide!  You guys are really brilliant!  You guys take the cake!
 
God Created Nations. We are to remain in our Nations. What part of "Thy Will be Done" don't you understand?  Ohhh, yea, Tikkun Olam. Every Jew in his heart of hearts needs, craves, runs toward Fixing the World!  We must Fix the World. Everything else, counter criticisms is just noise we filter out while we go along our merry way and Tikkun Olam away!!!!
 
Did God ask you to Fix His World?  Tikkun Olam begins on the premise that God faultily created the world---and it is the Jewish mission to FIX the God's Faults!!!  Wow. You guys really take the cake. 
 
Then, they go around mess everything up to Fix the World and then when you complain---you are an anti-Semite.  Do we have this problem with the Asians?  No. Do we have this problem with the Italians?  No. Do we have this problem with the Hispanics?  No. 
 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 20, 2018 - 3:29pm
No, I am not a convert. 
An antisemite is a race freak who comes up with bullshit conspiracy theories about Jews. Nothing whatever to do with Europeans. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 20, 2018 - 7:15pm
Do you recognize that your article "Race: A Parable" is the act of Jewish Messianism? That you yourself, in all your articles on Race are engaged in Jewish Messianism?
 
That this Masonic/Marxist Agitprop phrase "Racism is evil" is a part and parcel of Jewish Messianism? Do you recognize that you are deprogramming people, deracinating them with this phrase "Racism is Evil"?  To Deracinate is to Genocide. Do YOU understand that you yourself is a genocider?  That you are engaged in Genocide?
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 20, 2018 - 7:21pm
Maybe you don't understand what Jewish Messianism entails. 
 
Here is a talk by Rabbi Ari Kahn, Chief Rabbi of the London Synagogue: Messiah
 
Jewish Messianism requires The World Unity of Man and a Utopia established before their Messiah will come. To "establish World Unity" requires deracination and the dissolving of nations. To dissolve nations and to deracinate is G-E-N-O-C-I-D-E.  Do you understand?
Jeff Michka Added Sep 20, 2018 - 8:57pm
Lindsay is, other than a racist, an anti-semite.  Over time you'll probably run into other members of the WB gentleman's anti-semite club.  They've got extensive membership.  When you run out of Marxists, Leninists, Stalinists and Maoist, you'll have the Jews to blame and kick around.  To me anti-semitism is "low bar racisim", People have to work at hating "colors," but find no problem hating Jews as killers of their stinky little Christ.  Lindsay is also a raving Xtain, if that isn't clear, so go figure.
Koshersalaami Added Sep 20, 2018 - 10:28pm
Jeff,
I certainly don’t have a problem with Christians but, if they’re going to be honest about it and follow Jesus (particularly as opposed to Paul), it helps to remember that Jesus was not Christian, he was Jewish, that he prioritized reaching out to the marginalized, and that he was extremely concerned with the wealthy leaving the poor in poverty. And, by the way, the main thing he had to say about sexual morality was “Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone.” So if one is going to rave on behalf of Jesus, be honest about it. 
 
Lindsay,
I’m quite familiar with the concept of genocide. Probably unlike you, I’ve lost family to it. When you’re Jewish, it comes with the territory. 
 
And no, I am not in favor of deracination, regardless of what your author tells you I should think. How inconvenient for both of you that I don’t. If I were, given where I live, I’d have to give up my Jewish identity and I’m not prepared to do that. Nor am I remotely interested in your becoming Jewish. 
Morgoth Added Sep 20, 2018 - 11:54pm
A little off topic but it reminds me that Nazi propagandists filmed Jews in the in the ghettos in order to document their filth and degradation.  It was confirmation bias, never mind the fact that cramming anyone into a confined space would leave anyone filthy and diseased after a time.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 21, 2018 - 3:40am
Koshersalaami--How do you say "By the way, in terms of any ancestry I can trace recently, I am European."  But then claim you are Jewish? Jews are Semites---Not European. To be a European one has to be part of the Family of Indo-Europeans. 
 
So how are you BOTH European and Jewish?
Flying Junior Added Sep 21, 2018 - 4:19am
I certainly don’t have a problem with Christians but, if they’re going to be honest about it and follow Jesus (particularly as opposed to Paul), it helps to remember that Jesus was not Christian, he was Jewish, that he prioritized reaching out to the marginalized, and that he was extremely concerned with the wealthy leaving the poor in poverty. And, by the way, the main thing he had to say about sexual morality was “Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone.” So if one is going to rave on behalf of Jesus, be honest about it. 
 
I can dig it.  And thank you very much.  I mean, of course. If any among us profess to be Christian, are we not truly Messianic Jews?  What else would make sense?  We worship the same God.  We honor the Old Testament.  I consider Christianity and Judaism as very closely associated faiths.  Growing up I considered this to simply be accepted fact.
 
Nobody is stupid enough to claim to follow the Christ and OTOH hate Jews, right, Lindsay?
Koshersalaami Added Sep 21, 2018 - 9:36am
Well, Lindsay, I can be reasonably sure that my ancestors lived in Europe for about a thousand years. Indo-European is primarily a linguistic designation, and the native language of most of my ancestors was Yiddish, which is blatantly a European language rather than a Semitic one. Hebrew and Aramaic were for prayer and study. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 21, 2018 - 11:12am
Living in Europe for a thousand years, does NOT make you European. I point to the Basques and the Etruscans, lived longer in Europe---but are NOT Europeans. 
 
Language is a marker of race. . It is not a coincidence then, that the “examination of world language taxonomy is, to a very large degree, an examination of world racial and subracial taxonomy”. [1]
 
[1] Daniel Pouzzner, chapter "Languages and Races", Architecture of Modern Political Power. He has since redone his website and this info has been deleted.
 
This backs up the Story of God introducing difference of Languages at the Tower of Babel. 
 
Yiddish is a compedia of language!  It is not a "Pure" language but a construct. It is NOT a European language!
 
From Wikipedia: "It originated during the 9th century[4] in Central Europe, providing the nascent Ashkenazi community with a High German-based vernacular fused with elements taken from Hebrewand Aramaic as well as from Slavic languages and traces of Romance languages"
 
Notice the word "Fuse". It is a Fusion. Moving to a territory, doesn't make a race!  Race is descended from a particular Patriarch and we can follow descent by language. 
 
You are a Semite, Not a European. 
 
See, there is such a thing as Polylogicism, each race has a particular way of thinking which in turn creates their culture. The sense of Order is intrinsic to European thought, that is why Europeans create Caste Societies. On the other hand, Moses Hess, speaker of Yiddish, went around assailing Caste and Hierarchy. Hierarchy and Caste grate, GRATE, on Jewish sensibilities! So they destroy the European societies they live in. 
 
"David Lamb, a journalist and an author on Arab culture, noting the decrepit condition of Cairo mentions the lack of community upkeep of the environs. He quotes T. E. Lawrence, who lived and worked with Arabs, more than seventy years before about his observation: "The Semitic mind does not lean toward system of organization. It is practically impossible to fuse the diverse elements among the Semites into a modern, closely knit state." (Sailor quoting Lamb)"
 
What was Moses Hess, Karl Marx, Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Kautusky, Fredrick Lasalle, Bernie Sanders, Charles Schumer, Trotsky, and others rail against?  Europeans. They live amongst a people they hate. Moses Hess is the spiritual father of Karl Marx. 
 
You are NOT Europeans. You don't think like us. Why don't YOU RESPECT us?  You are destroyers. Why don't you leave us alone? Wouldn't Europe be better off if there was No Moses Hess, No Karl Marx, No Fredrick Lasalle, No Freemasons, No Illuminati and others. You don't like Europeans, Fine. I accept that. Why don't you guys just leave us alone---and just commesurate to yourselves?  Why must you destroy us?
 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 21, 2018 - 8:26pm
Where do you get off telling me I don’t respect Europeans? Your contention that Jews don’t respect Europeans is bullshit. 
 
I don’t think for most of their history the Masons accepted Jews as members, which indicates how ludicrous your claims really are. 
 
I’m not familiar with Hess or Lasalle, and the Illuminati are great for novelists to make money on by writing conspiracy fiction. 
 
Backs also tend more than most other groups to blame their inability to escape that lifestyle on racial discrimination
 
Aside from which, your racial theory is full of crap. The genetics of race make it bad science to begin with. 
 
You can read what you want about Yiddish, but the Yiddish speakers I know can understand German without studying it at all. That included my father. There are words thrown in from other languages but Yiddish is basically medieval German. You also ought to learn something about linguistics. English has a ton of words from French but is still a Germanic language. 
 
Not that I really care about the linguistics issue. What I really care about is your contention that you’re victimized by Jews. In that respect, you sound like Goebbels. 
 
You’re not by any chance using a cellphone, are you? If so, you might want to get rid of it.  The primary technology in it was invented by Jews. In terms of what you use on a daily basis (or have taken advantage of medically), you don’t want to know how long that list is. It would scare you. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 21, 2018 - 8:45pm
Around 1918, Rosa Luxemburg, a German Jew, head of the Communist Sparticist League, wrote a pamphlet on “The Nationalities Question” castigating Lenin for supporting nationalist groups when they should have been dismantling them. She writes that
 
"It is obvious that the phrases concerning self-determination and the entire nationalist movement, which at present constitute the greatest danger for international socialism, …"[1]
 
In her first chapter, she acknowledges the Jewish-Austrian writer, the democratic socialist Karl Kautsky (1854 – 1938) who wrote on the same subject:
 
 
“Kautsky formulates – as far as we know, for the first time in socialistic literature of recent times – the historical tendency to remove completely all national distinctions within the socialist system and to fuse all of civilized humanity into one nationality.”[2]
 
In a letter to Kautsky, Karl Marx advised that the worker must be freed from his national chains:
 
“Every Polish peasant or worker who wakes up from the general gloom and participates in the common interest, encounters first the fact of national subjugation. This fact is in his way everywhere as the first barrier. To remove it is the basic condition of every healthy and free development.”[3]
 
Notice that one is “subjugated” by his nation and that his nation is a “barrier” to his freedom and his development!
 
And all of this before Adolf Hitler ever entered politics! And we are all led to believe that the Germans out of thin air are a bunch of barbarians and evil to boot. Part of Truth is context. One can’t have truth without context. And throughout academia and the historiography of the holocaust—the context is never given—on purpose.
 
A Marxist website has this to say:
 
"Nationalism and Marxism are incompatible."[4]
 
Marxism/communism seeks to end race and the nation-state. This idea began when Karl Marx published his Communist Manifesto that ended in the words, "All the workers of the world unite". In his book, One World, John C. Kiang traces this movement to socialism:
 
"As far as world unity is concerned, Marx and Engels were the pioneers who expounded that modern industry had furnished a real foundation for a world unity, and declared not only that but working men have no country,..."
 
but also that
 
"Communists are further reproached with desiring to abolish countries and nationalities.
 
"In this declaration Marx and Engels claimed that the struggle of the workers was international in essence. National differences, they pointed out, were being wiped out by the development of free trade, by the growth of a world market, and by the increasing uniformity of industrial and social conditions. The workers in particular were being denationalized by modern industry, and had no fatherland."[5]
 
Another researcher makes this dramatically clear:
 
"Engels argued explicitly that the atomization and deracination caused by international capitalism was the necessary precursor to worldwide emancipation: "The disintegration of mankind into a mass of isolated, mutually repelling atoms," he wrote, "means the destruction of all corporate, national and indeed of any particular interests and is the last necessary step towards the free and spontaneous association of men."[6]
 
Socialism's goal is internationalist.
 
"Modern Socialism is essentially international".
 
"The State is not 'abolished'. It dies out".[7]
 
Socialism/Communism seeks the establishment of a One World Government and in order to make this work, the culture must be in place in order for the politics to succeed. Deracination plays an important part in socialist/communist ideology and methodology in order to prepare the people worldwide to adopt a world government.
 
This is why it is called Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism, for these two ideologies/programs carry within them Jewish Messianism. To cause the dissolution of races and nations is existential genocide; or what can be labelled “soft genocide”.
 
Jewish Messianism is about engaging in race-mixing, existential genocide. And the vehicle for accomplishing this goal is Political Correctness/Social Justice. This is why it is called Cultural Marxism. The term ‘political correctne
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 21, 2018 - 8:47pm
Rabbi Rabinovich’s, in a speech of January 12th, 1952, said: “We will openly reveal our identity with the races of Asia and Africa. I can state with assurance that the last generation of white children is now being born….Forbid the Whites to mate with Whites. The White Women must cohabit with members of the dark races, the White Men with black women. Thus the White Race will disappear, for the mixing of the dark with the White means the end of the White Man, and our most dangerous enemy will become only a memory.[i] Miscegenation is a weapon that Cultural Marxism,
 
[i] Posted on Henry Makow’s website titled “Rabbi Rabinovich’s 1952 Speech Resonates Today”. Henry Makow is Jewish and in an email vouches for its authenticity. https://henrymakow.com/deutsche/2016/06/13/rabbi-rabinovichs-1952-speech-resonates-today/#2b4CbfuxFAgtDmS7.99  Retrieved 08/04/2017
Koshersalaami Added Sep 21, 2018 - 11:39pm
No, it is NOT called Judeo-Masonic-Bolshevism. Does anyone call it that but you? If anyone calls it that, that’s an almost certain sign you’re dealing with an antisemite, because that’s an attempt to smear an entire ethnic group with an association to Bolshevism. Maybe you don’t know about Jews seeking freedom from the Soviet Union and the couple of million Jews who emigrated to Israel once they were allowed to leave. So no, you don’t get to just associate Jews and Bolshevism.
 
Are you putting me on to see what I’ll react to or do you really believe this? 
 
The fact that Marxism is internationalist doesn’t mean Judaism is. 
 
Try to get something straight. You haven’t remotely figured out who represents whom. You can find a rabbi somewhere to say almost anything. That doesn’t make it a dominant viewpoint. I have no idea who Rabbi Rabinovich was. It doesn’t matter if it’s authentic. It matters who the guy represents. There are rabbis in Israel that often say things that are anathema to most Jews in around the world. When someone Jewish says something, that doesn’t mean they’re speaking for other Jews, even if they claim to. How legitimate that claim is depends on who says what. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 22, 2018 - 5:28am
Isn't it amazing that If I stand against Miscegenation, I'm a Nazi. If I want to live with my own people, I'm a Nazi. 
 
You people have NO compuction in yelling Nazi at anybody who opposes your agenda of race-mixing and miscegenation. I remember a people back in the 70s and 80s that taught that miscegenation is wrong---and the ACLU, led by a Jew attacked them as Nazis. Denigrated this people and called them evil!
 
Ben Schapiro, a "conservative" talk show/commentator, who is Jewish said, "We should hunt down racists and hurt their careers". 
 
Shall I pull up a thousand quotes from Jews but then you sit there and deny them. 
 
Of course, Marxism is Jewish. Hundreds of thousands of Jews are the leadership of commie organizations!  Look at Bernie Sanders. That is what Marxism is, Jewish Messianism!  Utopianism and World Unity!
 
Do you understand the history of the Kabbala and its effect in European history?
 
Do you know what Sabbateans are?  What about the Frankists?
 
The Frankists are a sect of Sabbateans who engage in evil purposely in order to bring about the Jewish Messiah. Judge Brandeis who sat on the US Supreme Court, pushing his race-mixing agenda, had parents who were Frankists and they named a university, Brandeis University in New York after him. 
 
It is funny that the Jews TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY for their actions but every European is a Nazi!  Every European is a Hitler to you! If I stand against race-mixing, Miscegenation, want a Wall built, Want illegals deported, and preserve MY people from genocide---I'm a Nazi!!!!! The Duplicitious character.
 
Marxism IS Jewish Ideology because it's intellectual basis is built on the Kabbala!  So is Nazi ideology!!!!
 
Prof. Zeev Sternhell, Israeli professor, in his book, The Birth of Fascist Ideology, "fascism is a revision of Marxism". (pg 5)  
 
Read it and weep! The Talmud teaches that every gentile is an Amalek.   The Social Justice that you preach is Cultural Marxism. This article of yours is proof positive of your complicity in the genocide of the Europeans as a people!
Koshersalaami Added Sep 22, 2018 - 8:19am
Exactly when did I say you shouldn’t live with your own people? Why would I care with whom you live? 
 
You’re attempting to put words in my mouth. I’m not playing. Marx didn’t even like Jews, even though he came from us, because he didn’t like religion. 
 
The Talmud includes minority opinion. “The Talmud” does not teach that every gentile is an Amalek, that would be counter to Torah. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 22, 2018 - 9:15am
Koshersalaami
 
Hilarious but excellent and deep points.  As a researcher, I could point to the weakness/bias in the soldier's research with respect to the willingness of his participants and his method. Perhaps if he employed a mixed-methods that included a survey for participants to give written responses, he could have had triangulation that strengthened his macabre work.
 
Indeed, perspective and cultural bias played a role in the findings. Though both Jews, the children were in a different society, one where bread throwing had a different meaning.  So too in education.  Consider the question from a White teacher in a 'hood school and one in a 'burb school. "As you sat at breakfast table, what was the major discussion from the Wall Street Journal your father read?"
 
Consider why one student failed with these answers.
 
My father read the Wall Street Journal
 
My farther read the Wall Street Journal.
Koshersalaami Added Sep 22, 2018 - 5:28pm
Thanks
i don’t generally quote people, having a preference for reinventing the wheel, but Anatole France said that ric and poor are equally prohibited from sleeping under bridges.
 
i can’t say that better
Jeff Michka Added Sep 22, 2018 - 5:39pm
KS, folks like ol Lindsay and other ERWs/anti-semites on WB  ARE SO CONCERNED WHEN THEY FEEL THEY AREN'T GETTING RESPECT THAT'S NEITHER DESERVED OR EARNED.  I don't know here idiot/child Lindsay got that "you don't respect Europeans," but of course can't say why you don't because it didn't happen.  Ol Lindsay is a "broken-record rightist," that turns from being the brave rightist to cowering behind bible verses to show his values ($0-read no values) over and over again. 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 22, 2018 - 6:14pm
Bible is often misused. Sometimes I know the difference. 
Jeff Michka Added Sep 22, 2018 - 8:11pm
I suppose I don't like Xtain excuses is because when all else fails them, and it does, they hide behind their Geezus and a cross, not to be contradicted because it's a matter of faith, and it must be mine, or else.  I've even had one Xtain clown call down gawd on me for my lack of belief in their "sky guy explanations."  Like the WBers that claim Trump was sent to us by gawd.  Someone should tell ol offended Lindsay, nobody has called him a Nazi.  Now, if his av shows him in brownshirt, lederhosen with a swastika armb band, someone might call him a Nazi.  Got a pic, Lindsay?
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 22, 2018 - 9:49pm
Koshersalaami writes: "And I’m not promoting racism. I’d rather get rid of it..."
 
To get rid of "racism" is genocide. Koshersalaami is engaged in the program of Jewish Messianism. 
 
The German philosopher Johann Gottfried von Herder in his study of man and culture articulated two forces that create social cohesion:  (a) the sense of belonging and (b) volkenhass or Racial prejudice. Furthermore, these two forces are ensconsed in the Natural Law of Push/Pull. The cosmos exists on the Push/Pull paradigm. The earth's orbit is created by the sun's gravity and the earth's velocity, i.e. Push of Velocity and the Pull of Gravity. 
 
The same paradigm of Push/Pull exists in ant colonies, termite colonies, in Meerkat gangs, Lion prides and gorilla and chimpanzee troops. The Push/Pull exists everywhere under different contexts. 
 
Marxists and Masons have conveniently, in their propaganda, to encompass this group dynamics in the all-encompassing term of "racism". When you use the term "racism" you are attacking the Social Glue that provides for group cohesion. You are purposely engaged in genocide because the "racism" charge is about destroying the glue. To attack the glue is to dissolve. 
 
Does a citizen engage in soft genocide against his countryman?  You have lost your status as a citizen of America. Loyalty is a inherent in the term citizen.  This is why America is a false construct. The Roman poet Horace was enlightened when he said, "Throw out Nature with a Pitchfork---and Yet She shall return". Nature returned to Yugoslavia---and Nature WILL return to America. America is breaking up. 
Why is America a false construct?  Because you have to use a lot of energy to enforce the false construct with this constant agitprop of racism, White Supremacy, White Priviledge, White Oppression. You have to prop up the Lie. Natural Instinct is stronger than your Propaganda. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 22, 2018 - 10:06pm
The Jewish thinker Henri Bergson (1859 – 1941) was the first that advocated Open society. 
 
And now we see George Soros, Jewish, engaged also in this project. The Open Society is Jewish values, Jewish culture. George Soros is funding the violence against Trump and his supporters. George Soros is funding Immigration to Europe and America. Soros with his multiple organizations funded by his Open Society Foundation is subverting Europe and America!
 
The Virtue of Righteousness teaches, from c. 1st century B.C. teaches “First among the claims of righteousness are our duties to the gods, then our duties to the spirits, then those to patrida (fatherland) and parents, then those to the departed; and among these claims is piety, which is either a part of righteousness or a concomitant of it.” (pseudo-Aristotle, Virtues & Vices, v, 2 ª)
 
St. Peter teaches, "Supplement the Faith with Virtue". 
 
So Koshersalaami, who do I follow?  George Soros or my own culture and civilization that teaches me to do my Duty to my fatherland?  What is the Ethical thing to do?
 
This whole Thread that you have published is about You spreading and teaching Jewish values and Jewish ideas! You are NOT a European nor are you advocating European values, heritage or culture. I was a member of the Boy Scouts and every Tuesday night we recited our oath which began, "On my honor, I will do MY DUTY to God and Country". 
 
George Soros is a subversive agent. Just like Karl Marx, Tim Wise, Theodore Adorno, Fredrick Marcuse,  etc., George Soros is a genocider who is about wrecking Europe and America.  Your "racism" canard is a tool of genocide. 
 
Does George Soros: Where do you get off telling me I don’t respect Europeans? Your contention that Jews don’t respect Europeans is bullshit."
 
I call your Bullshit, Bullshit. Jews DON'T RESPECT Europeans is clear. And you calling me anti-semitic. Well, I'm pro-European---and to stop George Soros, and to stop Jewish Messianism, International Socialism, Cultural Marxism---well, It is my righteous duty to do so. 
 
Who created Nature was God. I follow the Will of God. 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 23, 2018 - 10:24am
Jeff,
It depends what you want to accomplish. The best way to play into the hands of someone religious is to attack them on the basis of their having religion. That’s how you persuade them that God is on their side. You’re never going to get them out of their faith. I should say at this point that I am not an atheist, so though what I’m telling you is tactical, I’m not telling you this from the standpoint of atheists strategizing against the religious because I’m not in the atheist camp. 
 
The thing to understand about the Right is that a lot of what they preach is against those they are ostensibly following. It is a way better idea not to say: You believe in God, but to say You are not following your own God. That accusation carries way more weight. 
 
Now in this case I don’t necessarily have to go there for the simple reason that I’m being accused of something that’s a blatant lie: I am by no stretch of the imagination anti nationalist. I think getting rid of my country would be an unmitigated disaster. 
 
I’m not really sure what to do with a guy who thinks that “To get rid of racism is genocide.” That is so far beyond backward that I don’t know how a thinking human being could reach that conclusion. Racism is the root cause of genocide. Could anyone think the Nazis were antiracist? Or the Hutus? Or the Turks? Or the Serbs? I’m using these national examples from a particular time, because I do not assume that the Hutus, Turks, or Serbs are intrinsically racist, just that their leadership was extremely racist at particular moments of history. 
 
Or a guy who thinks that animal species are good behavioral examples for man. This is Social Darwinism, which Darwin didn’t support, expressed more blatantly than I’ve ever seen. 
 
But how a guy can think these things and claim to be Christian is even further out, and this is really common among the Christian Right. Do none of these people read what Jesus thought, supported, and opposed? I’m not a Christian, so I’m not trying to make Jesus into my image, but the man was what would currently be described as a liberal or even further Left than that. This was a man whose priority was reaching out to the marginalized. This was a man who though that amassing wealth while ignoring the plight of the poor was extreme sin. This was a man whose most famous comment about sexual morality was Let ye who is without sin cast the first stone, and who is not on record as having so much as mentioned homosexuality. 
 
And this was a man who was - and whose entire movement of followers was during his lifetime - Jewish, and whose values were powerfully core Jewish; his point during his lifetime was to reform Judaism to bring Jews closer to Judaism’s core values. You can’t oppose Jewish morality and be Christian because it involves blatant rejection of Christ. 
 
Lindsay thinks I’m a anti nationalist. The only conclusion I can reach about him is that he is a Satanist, because everything he says is a repudiation of Jesus. The difference between our assessments of each other is that mine is accurate. 
 
So don’t worry about what he says about “gawd”. He very fundamentally rejects God. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 23, 2018 - 6:25pm
"Immigration is splitting the United States into warring tribes, says an unusual article in the strongly pro-migration Atlantic magazine." 
From: Atlantic Magazine: Immigration is Fracturing America into Rival Tribes
 
America will become Yugoslavia!  It's coming. Have you not heard the phrase "Blood is thicker than water"?
 
Jesus said to help the poor---that DOESN'T include destroying the Natural Order. And Jesus said, "Man Lives By EVERY Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God". Jesus is God and you reject Him; so the curses of Deuteronomy 28 fall upon you. 
 
"... the Jews sought to revise, redraw, and replace the basic tenets of the West" - Ben-Ami Shillony (a Jewish Professor), The Jews and the Japanese, p. 64
 
And they have. And they have succeeded. And America is a Failed State!
 
Jeff Michka Added Sep 23, 2018 - 6:51pm
Lindsay lives in a land of his own definition, Venezslovakia.  Of course gawd is on his side, just read him.  And if "helping to poor" as his "good book" urges, crosses rightist dogma or ideolgy, then it cannot be.  I don't care if these folks believe in gawd, dog, or a fire hydrant.  I'm a non believer (heretic) and have had one of these "Geezus lovers" call gawd down me.  'Course this same clown believes in little grey men and UFOs.  LOL It's not as good as just wishing an outhouse gets tipped when I'm in it, but it works for them, afterall I'm so terrible and they're so full of gawd's love.  LOL  Really?
James Travil Added Sep 23, 2018 - 8:11pm
Wasting time on a neo fascist racist gawd freak like Lindsay really ruins this thread. Good article but Lindsay is ruining it with his conspiracy theories and bigotry nonsense. 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Sep 23, 2018 - 10:26pm
@ James. "Wasting time on a neo fascist racist gawd freak like Lindsay really ruins this thread. Good article but Lindsay is ruining it with his conspiracy theories and bigotry nonsense."
 
Convince his old lady to stop giving him some pussy and you see how he change his tune. Also, convince the whores whom he could turn to to deny him some cat. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 24, 2018 - 6:37am
Look at the atheists and the heretics with their own bigotry and hatred toward what is righteous. All they have is ad-hominem attacks. Nothing of substance. Even James Travil's criticism "neo fascist racist gaws freak" is Jewish!
 
(Waton, 100) “The races and the nations will cheerfully submit to the spiritual power of Judaism, and all will become Jews.” Moses Hess (c. 1850s) “To this coming cult, Judaism alone holds the key. This "religion of the future" of which the eighteenth century philosophers, as well as their recent followers, dreamed [...] Each nation will have to create its own historical cult; each people must become like the Jewish people, a people of God.” (Wikipedia, Hess ª)
 
And to that end, all the nations must be dissolved.  Yes, Everybody in America is Jewish. Protestantism is essentially Jewish Christianity. The European Liberal, the European anarchist, the European Atheist are Jewish. And that is why America is turning into Hell.  As Scripture says, "The Wicked shall be turned into Hell". 
 
I am the last traditional Orthodox Catholic and the last European. 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 24, 2018 - 3:07pm
Thank you. You have finally exaggerated enough to make the fact that you’re putting me on clear. 
 
I like your sentence because it would mean by definition that killing you would constitute genocide in and of itself. 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 24, 2018 - 3:16pm
James,
His being a “gawd freak” isn’t the problem. I know plenty of intelligent people who belong to religions. Most people I know would characterize me as one. 
 
If we assume he isn’t joking, which we probably shouldn’t assume (double negative, I know), he doesn’t know what a Jew is, he doesn’t know what Jews think, he doesn’t know what race is, he doesn’t get that any idiot publishing something doesn’t make them an authority on anything or a representative of anyone, and he is following a messiah whose beliefs and values he emphatically does not share. 
 
In order to keep the thread from being disrupted further, I would suggest ignoring any further comments coming from his direction. They’re just too asinine. And, given his expressed opinions of Jews and Judaism, I certainly don’t owe him the courtesy of recognition. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 24, 2018 - 8:01pm
Oooo, the cold shoulder.  I luv it.  It hurts so much! Harry Waton is Jewish. I quote the Jews themselves, and it hurtses him.
 
I quote again from Rabbi Harry Waton: "(Waton, p. 143) “But the communist soul is the soul of Judaism.” 
 
You can read the book:
Waton, Harry (1939) A Program for the Jews; An Answer to all Anti-Semites; A Program For Humanity. Trans. by Peter Meyers, NY, NY: Committee For the Preservation of the Jews. http://mailstar.net/waton-program.html
            Retreived: 03/10/2014; http://mailstar.net/naz-jud.html
 
"There are two life-forces in the world I know: Jewish and gentile (non-Jewish), ours and yours...I do not believe that this primal difference between gentile and Jew is reconcilable. You and we may come to an understanding, never to a reconciliation. There will be irritation between us as long as we are in intimate contact. For nature and constitution and vision divide us from all of you forever." (Maurice Samuel, You Gentiles, Harcourt, Brace & Co., New York, 1924, pp. 19, 23).
 
And my favorite:
 
"We Jews, we are the destroyers and will remain the destroyers. Nothing you can do will meet our demands and needs. We will forever destroy because we want a world of our own." (You Gentiles, by Jewish Author Maurice Samuels, p. 155).
 
Some of the best truest words ever spoken!
 
 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 25, 2018 - 12:04am
You can quote a Jew. There are a lot of us to quote. You can quote Son of Sam and conclude that we’re all serial killers. You can quote Sheldon Adelson and conclude that we’re all conservatives. You can quote Jill Stein and conclude that we’re all antizionists. You can quote Roy Cohn and conclude that we’re all as anti communist as you can get. All of whom are more well known than your authors. 
 
But any idiot could figure that out. Except, apparently, one. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 25, 2018 - 9:01am
What was the purpose of writing "Race: A Parable"? And what was the purposeful act of introducing Nazis and your artistic flourish:
 
[QUOTE] "In 1943, a Nazi officer walks through a labor camp chewing on a hunk of bread. He sees a group of emaciated Jews staring at him through a fence. So, on impulse, he tosses his piece of bread over the fence and they fight over it. "Those Jews are such animals," he thinks. 

However, being a fair-minded guy, he wants to make sure he's not generalizing, so he decides to run an experiment. He visits a string of labor camps in Germany and Poland and, at each one, he throws a piece of bread to the inmates. In all cases, they fight over the bread. 

When he goes to enough camps, he can conclude with a clear conscience that Jews are indeed animals."  [END QUOTE]
 
Was that the purpose of the Holocaust? Are you exaggerating?  Because in the Ten Commandments is this: "Thou Shalt NOT Bear False Witness".  No one but no one thinks "Jews are animals". I've worked in a Jewish synagogue as shabbas goy for over 2 and half years. It was a very nice, enlightening, enjoyable, time; I learned a lot there and participated in all the worship services, singing right along; I worked at a conservative Jewish synagogue and they had much fun; I enjoyed the melodies. I work now with a senior Jewish lady as her handyman/chauffeur. 
 
I don't really care one wit about the Jews. Never did---until I started reading and seeing the smear campaigns. When I was in college in my thirties the local newspaper published a political cartoon, that showed Jerry Falwell ginned up to look like Hitler. Even though I was a traditional Catholic, that infuriated me so much that I began to research the why. The "WHY" led me to you, to the Jews.
 
If the Jews were NOT MEDDLING in our culture. We wouldn't be here!  But it is clear in this thread that you have no intention of stopping your crusade and imposing your values on our society.  Just as Maurice Samuel so presciently observed: 

"You and we may come to an understanding, never to a reconciliation. There will be irritation between us as long as we are in intimate contact. For nature and constitution and vision divide us from all of you forever."
 
If my leaders both secular and religious were not smeared, I wouldn't be here. But with the Frankfurt School, and the activities of the Frankists,  the ACLU in dismantling the Christian character of America, I wouldn't be here. Your "Race parable" is about bludgeoning Whites with guilt and furthering the genocide of the whites with the Nazis; and then mischaracterizing the Holocaust happened because the Jews were "animals". The Jews, like the Masons, were in the camps for one thing and one thing ONLY---Jewish Messianism that requires deracination and the dissolving of nations. Therefore, I must oppose you in every way possible. Maurice Samuel said it best. 
 
 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 25, 2018 - 12:21pm
Race Parable is about illustrating a point by using an extreme example. It is not about guilt. It is not actually about Nazis, nor is it about Jews. It is about understanding the nature of the problem. It is about understanding and acknowledging that populations under controlled conditions are going to behave in ways that respond to those conditions, and that blaming those populations without taking their conditions into account is illogical. 
 
We do exactly that a whole lot with Blacks in America. You can see the phenomenon all over this site. 
 
Our country has a problem. We have what amounts to a permanent underclass disproportionally comprised of the members of one ethnic group. 
 
Why?
 
That ethnic group has been and is still subjected to an unusual set of conditions - less so than in the past, but conditions that are not self-imposed and that are based on race are still in play and still have consequences. 
 
Ignoring the impact of these conditions on the underclass status of millions of members of this ethnic group is not logical. 
 
This post illustrates an extreme example of this point. I exaggerated the point to the extent that I didn’t think anyone could miss it, particularly given that I EXPLAINED IT IN THE POST. 
 
Live and learn. 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 25, 2018 - 7:23pm
"What we see here is a lot of people being blamed for the consequences of externally controlled variables."
 
Have you heard the Educational argument of Nature vs Nurture?  
 
What you are demonstrating by "externally" is the nurture part. Some variables are external---but others are internal---By Nature. 
 
Some people say "Nature only"; others say "Nurture only". Myself, I go with Nature AND Nurture. Both create the person. There are many variables. The Natural Law points to syncretism--things are a combination of things; Nature teaches that; a combinatorial system. 
 
Are not Blacks in Africa just as dysfunctional there as here?
 
That undermines your premise as "external". 
 
Carved on the walls of the Doric temple of Apollo is this phrase "Know Thyself". It is a powerful statement.
 
I point to Murray's book The Bell Curve that is scientifically shown the different grades of IQ distributed amongst Mankind. Blacks have the lowest IQ, Europeans fall in the midrange and Asians have High IQ.  But it doesn't stop there. Levels of Testosterone are also varied amongst the different races:  Africans have the highest testosterone, while Europeans have a the middle and Asians have the lowest levels.   There are also a couple more such characteristics. 
 
Thomas Jefferson's "All men are created equal" is a fallacy; it is just made up gibberish. 
 
Nature produces diversity; it doesn't produce mono cultures of anything. 
 
Furthermore, blacks suffer low impulse control. Combine Low Impulse control, High Testosterone levels, with low IQ and one gets a disaster. They are a dysfunctional people. Add to that the Liberal programs--and they have fallen even more. And yes, they have been discriminated in this country. Furthermore, many do not have a work ethic. Swiss watches are produced in Switzerland for a reason. Mercedes Benz and Swiss watches are not created nor produced in Africa, naturally. It is not the African proclivity. 
 
But the real problem is comparing them to whites and making them conform to European standards which increases their anxiety and frustration. 
 
And notice one more thing, in the Segregationist South, Black families were together. Under pressure, in my opinion, black dysfunctionality was kept low. When the liberals and the Jews moved in, and agitated for this and that---Black families broke up and their dysfunctionality worsened. Did Not become better. 
 
You are also arguing for institutional racism. Diversity + Proximity = Violence. Scripture has it, "Man shall cleave to his like".  You can't stop that. You can't plow against Nature. And when you push this race-mixing--it only increases strife---not fix it. Nature segregates all things by kind. 
 
You are a Don Quixote tilting at windmills. It seems you have a Savior complex.  
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 25, 2018 - 7:25pm
How many blacks have you seen in a library checking out books?
 
They are not a society of readers. 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 25, 2018 - 9:31pm
OK, Nature/Nurture
If you talk to any biologist or serious geneticist, what you’ll find is that race is biologically an insignificant variable. No, it isn’t nature.
 
Let’s look at the way a scientist would approach the question. How do you know if nurture is the issue? By finding a control group. We’re in the United States, so we need to find a Black control group that doesn’t come from generations of American slavery followed by Jim Crow. In this environment, the United States. As it turns out, there is one, and a representative of that group has already commented on this thread. That group is Black people of relatively recent Caribbean ancestry. What do we find when we look at that group? Higher median income than American median. (Not American Black median, median for the whole population.) Higher median education than American median. You’ll notice that our commenter has a Dr. before his name. Lower crime rate than American median. So the variable that counts is not race/ancestry, it’s ancestral treatment. 
 
That tells you nurture.
 
Let’s look at the IQ issue. In two ways. 
The first is: How do we define these genetic populations? If we’re basing our judgment on genetics, how do we take ancestral race mixing into account? A lot of slave kids had White fathers. How do we treat this variable when looking at IQ?
 
We don’t, which genetically invalidates our results. How are Blacks identified for a study like this? Self-identification, researcher identification, or both. In this case, being Black says less about where the majority of the participants’ ancestors came from than it does about how these people were treated because they’re obviously Black upon observation. And we’re back to Nurture. 
 
In order to make any judgment about a population in terms of Nature, you have to be able to define that population genetically. You can’t.
 
But let’s go to the worst case. Let’s throw everything else out for a minute and pretend the IQ findings are valid. What would the ramifications of that be? This isn’t a case like “porpoises are smarter than sharks” where basically all porpoises are smarter than all sharks, it’s two mostly overlapping bell curves. Let’s say, for example, because I don’t know the numbers, that there is a 20 percentile difference between the centers of the bell curves. (It’s probably less than that.) So, looking at the entire population, the White median is at the 60 percentile point and the Black median is at the 40 percentile point. What would that mean in practice?
 
It would mean that if two people randomly applied for a job, one Black and one White, the Black applicant’s IQ would be higher than the White applicant’s IQ in 40% of all cases. So, if an employer was using race as a variable by which to hire and promote, that employer would be wrong 40% of the time. Do you really think any employer with half a brain would rely on a variable that only gives them 60/40 odds? There are better variables out there. Do you think that without non-discrimination law Black candidates would be selected over White candidates two out of five times? I don’t think they are with the law in place. So relying on a variable like this isn’t science because the science is too weak to be functional for this purpose. If IQ were to be used for this purpose, it wouldn’t be out of science.
 
In short, even if we were looking at nature, we’re still seeing differences in treatment greater than differences in nature would indicate, even if those differences in nature were genetically quantifiable, which they aren’t, and even if we accept common racial definitions, the control group disproves the theory. 
 
Nurture. We can’t quantify nature and even if we pretend we can it still doesn’t work. 
 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 26, 2018 - 4:37am
First off, "scientists". What scientists do you speak of?  Scientists aren't biased?  Scientists don't have an agenda?  I linked to Prof. Kevin MacDonald's paper above on immigration. Frank Boaz Jewish, anthropology department had a purposeful agenda in nullifying race. He moved other like-minded people of his kind into the department and his work formed much of the "science". The Boaz brothers destroyed the science. 
 
Just because you said "science" doesn't mean it is to be trusted. "Science" is not an authority. Not in this day of age. Everything is politicized. Nothing can be trusted. 
 
I don't agree with your control group either. The control group is Africa. There is not a single first world country in Africa. Rhodesia and Afrikaner South Africa could have been labeled that, but no more. Even the Asian Indians can't stand the Africans. 
 
Should not resources that are limited, be given to one's kinsmen? Are we not to favor our kinsmen?
Koshersalaami Added Sep 26, 2018 - 9:03am
If we’re trying to figure out whether having a permanent underclass in the US from one ethnic group is attributable to traits of that ethnic group or treatment of that ethnic group, looking at that ethnic group in another country isn’t going to tell you as much as looking at a control group in this one. What happens in Africa is not as predictive of results in the United States as actual results in the United States. If you’re going to disagree with me about which control group to use, try doing so based on how to do unbiased research rather than on what will match your own ideology and preexisting view. 
 
Discrediting science as a category is blatantly ridiculous. One has to be careful about the science used and about doing whatever one can to keep the bias out. Your Africa control group is an example of attempting to insert bias for political purposes. I’m trying to de-politicize. 
 
Kinsmen? The groups we identify with are not all based on blood. And, by the way, when it comes to identifying by blood, do you honestly think that as a Jew this is not a phenomenon I understand? Keep in mind that we have a two thousand plus year history of operating in hostile environments and, when we have, how we’ve survived is by prioritizing blood, contrary to your fakokte theory. The great advantage of America is that it allows us not to be forced to rely on that. I can have loyalty to friends and family by marriage without worrying about whether they’re Jewish. That’s a relatively recent luxury. 
 
You keep talking about kinsmen based on the assumption that, reached through your reading, Jews are against ethnic loyalty, which is so far off as to be comical. 
Jeff Michka Added Sep 26, 2018 - 6:41pm
Yeah, but it's "f*** science!! It's not telling us ERWs what we want."  And congrats, KS, you've actually managed to keep discussing things with Lindsay the Lame.  You should tell him you're an Illuminati, and control everything.  Lindsay needs a new Masonic apron.  However, nothing Lindsay says is either on the compass or by the square.  And he hates widows and orphans...they get food stamps. :-)
Lindsay Wheeler Added Sep 26, 2018 - 7:11pm
America is a Masonic creation and Hence Jewish. Tolerance and diversity are Jewish strategies to create in Gentile societies so Jews can move seamlessly in those societies without problem---while they are creating problems for the host society. 
 
So what does it matter that we have an underclass?  Who cares?  I don't. Jesus said, "The Poor will be with you always". There will always be White trash. That is not going to end. There will always be the Negritos in the Philippines. That is not going to change. The American Indian will always be an Indian. 
 
Does not the Bible say, "the leopard is not going to change his spots". 
 
So what of underclasses?  Why is it your priority?  And what is the glaring need to fix it for?  Like what are you going to do about it?  Except yell White priviledge, White oppression, and White Supremacy, Whites are Nazis, and Trump is going to create another Holocaust!  
Koshersalaami Added Sep 27, 2018 - 12:19am
Wow. I don’t think I’ve ever met a genuine Satanist before. If one believes in Satan, one believes he lies with Scripture, and asserting that Jesus thought we should ignore the poor might be as big a lie with Scripture as I’ve ever seen. If I were a Christian I might be offended. As a Jew I certainly am. 
 
Jeff has a point. Talking to you is completely fruitless. Frankly, allowing you to comment here undeleted only clogs up my thread and annoys whoever else comments here. I have a lot of patience and will answer things reflexively, but I’m either being played or I’m dealing with someone genuinely not worth talking to. 
 
You’re not welcome here. 
James Travil Added Sep 27, 2018 - 12:31am
You are a fool Kosher. Us Satanists are atheists who only use Satan as a mascot for our distain of the Judo-Christian/Islamic religions and their false beliefs and false "god". Our beliefs are found on our website (www.churchofsatan.com). Your lies and Judo-Christian propaganda are as useless as you. Don't want me to comment on your pathetic articles? Fine, I won't. But you better steer clear of me on WB or you will end up like Lying Ryan. Gone. As a matter of fact if you find my presence such a problem you better go elsewhere because I'm not going anywhere. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on your inbred assbackwards way out! 
Koshersalaami Added Sep 27, 2018 - 8:39am
James,
I said Lindsay wasn’t welcome. I don’t know you, so I certainly wouldn’t say you aren’t welcome. 
 
I am not ejecting Lindsay because of religious beliefs or lack thereof. I am ejecting him because he makes constant spurious accusations against my people and because his nonsense is a waste of time. I don’t have the patience for constant conspiracy theories that have no relationship to reality at all, particularly about Jews, though not about any other ethnicity either. 

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