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As some here know, I just got back from a very costly and very trying three year term in my life. (Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah) All of my online presence is gone, and all of my computerized manuscripts disappeared while I was gone, and all of my handwritten manuscripts were destroyed when we lost the remnants of our home in a typhoon. That being said, I have completed one book of short stories and published it on Amazon, and I have four of my other books that I am in the process of rewriting. In the meantime, I have been trying to compete with a bunch of less-than prominent “writers” and even numerous “writters” on the Freelance sites to try and earn something of a living as I used to do with my regular clients … all of whom are actually dead now :/ (No … I ain’t going there LOL)

It looks like Amazon will work well for my long term needs, though I still need something to survive in the meantime. While there are some hacks on this site, there are also a great many people who actually do write and contribute to this site and I am wondering what resources you would recommend for trying to make a living online? Freelance Sites seem to be down to a quarter or buck a piece for most “keyword crap” (though I would hardly call that writing, and tend to have a hundred people bidding any time that someone does offer a viable wage for the content that they are requesting, often leading to an excessive number of bids, too much information, and the buyers limiting the background on these “writters”. I recently came across a site called dreame that professes to pay two hundred dollars for thirty thousand words per month … which I could do … but the site looks kind of scammy and the fact that they charge readers to read, and depend on this to pay their writers … well … since I could not find very many reviews … I tend to be more than just a little cynical.


All that being said, if you were dead broke and did not legally exist and were trying to keep your head down in a developing nation … where would you look to make immediate returns on your writing? I have Amazon for a long-term solution as I replace the vast volumes I have lost, but that will take time. I have had no fortunes on the freelance sites as apparently they are not prone to hiring people with extensive backgrounds in International Treaties, Environmental Impact Studies, Humanitarian Analyses, Economic Impact Reports or other such works … or maybe they just doubt the veracity of my background … if I knew I could fix it … so apparently I seem to be missing something.


Where would you recommend?


opher goodwin Added Sep 19, 2018 - 5:19am
Ward - I just write. I have forty something books out there on Amazon but I don't come close to making a living out of them. I am too busy writing to do any marketing. One day!
So, sorry, I have no suggestions. I don't think writing pays. The payment is in the process.
FacePalm Added Sep 19, 2018 - 6:05am
i've never made a dime from my writing(probably what it's worth), but i HAVE bought any number of books over the years that were informational in nature, especially on how to build your own home power system...or even your own home, like the "Earthship."
i also acquired several on the subject of how to seduce women, as well...not that you'd know anything about that!(but who knows?)
Anyway, said that to say this: observe what's "trending" and target your market.  Visit several sites on PUA(Pick-up Artists) and listen to/watch their marketing vids, which are often quite effective, then either emulate them or use them as inspiration for how to market your own.  i also found the sales vids of several other marketers to be effective, as well, like ones for "investing"(Stansberry Research) or any of several marketers of various pills, capsules, lotions and potions, though for those, it's best to have an MD be part of the marketing team.
i've seen where many fledgling writers will often utilize their contacts in the fields of schooling(i hesitate to say "education") and tour college campuses/bookstores self-promoting their books, as well.
And another idea occurred to me; find talkshow hosts that have a large audience(whether teevee or internet), then write something which would appeal TO those audiences.  IIRC, both infowars and Limbaugh have an average of about 10 million listeners per day, so if just 1% make a buy, you could be set for life - and a quarter of one percent would be a damn-nice payday.  Have a look at Greg Jarrett and Jeanine Pirro, for example - both currently have NYT Best-sellers because their subject material - basically, how Trump is getting screwed - has a big, sympathetic audience.  Not saying you have to write about that, just a hint in re: the targeting of your market.
This IS the "information age," so information is what sells, especially if you can entice via sizzle, as well as steak; remember the "Now, how much would you pay?" Ronco commercials?  Offer something "free" as additional enticement, as well...and remember that providing info via email is LOTS less expensive than doing printing, packaging and mailing, eh?
Hope you found some of the foregoing to be helpful; just remember that those who CAN, DO, and those who CAN'T, TEACH, so take it all with a grain or three of salt, ok?
i was always right partial to that sayin' from down South, "If yer so smart, whah ain't yew rich?"  Lotta truth in that...esp. since ah ain't reech.
But if you DO become wealthy as a result of any of the advice given above, i would love a small stipend - just sayin'!  *grin*
Oh, and while i'm thinking about it, did you ever get that email i sent ya?  i can tell you what date and time it went out, if that would help.
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 19, 2018 - 6:43am
the first rule: trust no one
DIY....takes longer, but then no one owns you
Ward Tipton Added Sep 19, 2018 - 6:50am
Opher, yes. I have noted you mentioning that before. We share an interest in Sci-Fi too, but having lost over two million words and having to rewrite it is going to take some time. I do not expect to get rich, but living where I do ... and as I do, I do not need to make a first world living to survive. Still, it will take time to put everything back so that I can even get them posted. 
I had a very select list of clientele long ago. However, my personal circumstances have changed rather drastically since that all began. I actually built up those clients little by little, but I also had a very impressive online portfolio at the time ... something which seems mandatory ... and actually one of the reasons I started writing here ... despite having come to love this place so much. However, standard rates on the freelance sites were never good. (I used to make a good living in published markets a long place ago in a time far away) However, without any online presence, it has been quite challenging. I do not know if my resume is too good or not good enough. As for sales, I am about the same on sales as you are FacePalm ... and that includes Marketing. Playing on people's emotions just is not my style. 
I have approached a few marketplaces, but again, without any portfolio it is difficult to get people to pay anything for publishing ... though I have had numerous people offer to allow me to "ghostwrite" for them ... fill up their sites with keyword crap and trust them to let me know if they get enough readers, maybe they will pay later ... yeah, PT Barnum would be proud. 
There are also numerous sites wherein you can "create" Product reviews ... though last time I checked that was illegal if you had not tried the products ... but hey, I guess in this day and age, it is more of a triviality. These sites often promote Amazon or other products and supposedly you will get a percentage if and when anyone buys a product linked from your article ... yeah, just trust the site owners cuz ... you know ... 'lectrolytes and stuff ... 
I was intrigued by Dreame wherein they pay two hundred bucks for month if you can provide more than thirty thousand words per month of fiction ... and two hundred bucks would definitely be enough to survive on here ... not living well, but surviving at least. However, the reviews for the app were mixed and the site itself ... just feels spammy. I was primarily wondering if anyone knew of any similar sites or had experience with this or other such sites. 
Ward Tipton Added Sep 19, 2018 - 6:52am
PS Never did get the email, though I did check the three days before and after the date you indicated. It would seem that whatever (whoever) was blocking me has backed off some ... though I have no doubts they are still reviewing emails. However, I have not had any accounts blocked or other interference of any real consequence of late ... perhaps I could persuade you to resend it? 
Ward Tipton Added Sep 19, 2018 - 7:31am
TBH ... in my previous life I learned never to trust anyone ... it was a lesson very well learned and reinforced by many a why ... but while I can do it myself, it is the getting started part that is killing me ... though I have to say that negotiations for a solution are going well ... but not sure that will start this year. Things that large tend to take a while to get going ... especially given the mitigating circumstances of my current predicament. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 19, 2018 - 7:36am
Ric Wells Added Sep 19, 2018 - 8:10am
Ward if you self publish you do your own marketing. I am like Opher. I have a 6 books on Amazon Kindle and Create Space. Anything I sell is a little extra in my pocket so to speak. Good luck. May I suggest doing book signings at independent book stores. 
Ric Wells Added Sep 19, 2018 - 8:16am
Also remember you are competing with millions and millions of books out there with millions of writers. No matter how talented you are people do not know you and there is only so much discretionary income to go around. I don't mean to discourage but I am like Opher. I write for the love of writing. 
Ward Tipton Added Sep 19, 2018 - 8:28am
Not many book stores at all here in the Philippines, much less ones that would sell the materials I write. Second hand maybe LOL I am not concerned about the books and whether or not they are overly popular, that is what I do for enjoyment. That was also not the point of the article so much as ... what is Create Space ... and are there other sites like it? Have you ever heard of Dreame and do you know any other sites like that? What has been your personal experience on those sites? Right now I am trying to compete in a marketplace with no portfolio. Written manuscripts and computerized manuscripts and even what professional work I have that can be released to the general public was by and large lost ... a competitive field with very little in the way of a portfolio is not conducive to finding work freelancing. Most everyone wants relevant samples ... not a bunch of government reports or even treaties. 
The books I write for pleasure ... I find the same enjoyment in writing books as some others do in reading them. That is all fine and good for a long-term plan however, but for survival in the meantime. Even as fast as I write and type, replacing that many manuscripts is going to take a couple of years. 
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 19, 2018 - 8:37am
When you write for the love of it all filters are removed. I know how to write, know my own voice. What the fuck does a publisher know? Is it a case of those who can do and those who can't teach?
This is the problem with so many things today, that everything has to come through filters, too many hands in the pie. All of the infrastructures purportedly for the benefit of the "masses" end up being for the parasitical existence and enrichment of it's handlers.
If you view media as a whole entity, broadcast, print, publishing....they have fallen within the grips of so few that there are vast audiences which are under served. The "industry" shows no sign of correcting this course, doubling down on more of the same.
Learn your audience, find out where they live, work and find places to reach them. Guerrilla tactics, old school and then build a platform for it. Right now the internet still can be fertile ground for this, but what comes after? We may need to form our own "nets"
Ward Tipton Added Sep 19, 2018 - 8:43am
I do not have an audience. I do not have a market. I do not have clients. I like the idea of people enjoying my books, but it is not the only reason I write them. I am referring to paid writing ... journalism ... authority websites that need writers ... unfortunately, my options are again, somewhat limited until I have a legal existence again. 
I am just seeking writing clients ... authority sites that accept submissions ... freelance sites that actually qualify people as viable authors and not allowing every "writter" to sign up and bid for work ... no matter how unqualified they may be to actually write. Something a step up from the freelance sites that accepts submissions on spec? A copy of Writer's Market ... even from last year LOL
The Burghal Hidage Added Sep 19, 2018 - 8:56am
something like that perhaps. Follow it to other links or get on their list. You should find some things matching your description
Ward Tipton Added Sep 19, 2018 - 9:04am
Ahhhhhhhh, yup! That is exactly what I am looking for! Thank you! 
Any other similar sites would be greatly appreciated. The App I was looking at had mixed reviews ... and I would not mind making a couple of hundred bucks a month for five or ten good fiction stories a month ... but that goes back to that whole trust thing LOL
Thank you!
Ward Tipton Added Sep 19, 2018 - 9:05am
Maybe we could/should do a series on Paid Writing Gigs and Writer Resources? LOL
Ric Wells Added Sep 19, 2018 - 9:17am
Create Space is a division of Amazon. They turn your work into paperback form for those who still like to hold a book to read rather than an ebook.
Ric Wells Added Sep 19, 2018 - 9:20am
And you can purchase copies of you book at a writers cost if you do any book signings. Book fairs. Artist fairs etc.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 19, 2018 - 7:17pm
Perhaps instead of wanting to become a wealthy version of F Scott Fitzgerald, writing novels, try technical writing.  Owner's manuals, service manuals,, even procedures both in print and electronic forms are still needed.  Asia lacks people that could write for a market outside their own.  You know, the type of stuff that reads "Light fuse, retire quickly."  You may have to do publication design, etc., but it pays per job.  Some cautions are needed, but you complained about your current state.  Tech writing could easily be done while in the PI.  Just sayin'.
Tamara Wilhite Added Sep 19, 2018 - 10:12pm
I would recommend working on iWriter.
Stone-Eater Added Sep 20, 2018 - 4:21am
Glad to see that you got some good advice from our friends. I'd never even try to live on writing because a) insufficient talent, b) English not being my mother tongue and c) German writing abilities disappearing due to excessive use of the English language LOL
Stone-Eater Added Sep 20, 2018 - 4:22am
iWriter says "not accepting new writers"....
Tamara Wilhite Added Sep 20, 2018 - 10:46am
 Stone-Eater Did not know that.
FacePalm Added Sep 20, 2018 - 6:56pm
Ok, i understand; gave you the best advice i know how to give(so far, anyway), but if you don't like it, c'est la vie.  i've personally found it very difficult to drag anyone, kicking and screaming, into success.  It must needs first, to be defined, and second, to be willingly pursued, FMO and IME.
i thought that Jeff's advice on technical-manual writing to be good, as well; anyone who's tried to assemble anything from, say, China/Korea/Japan by reading the directions has had an amusing laugh, assuming they're not frustrated as hell from not being able to insert tab "A" into slot "7," because one or the other doesn't exist...
On an unrelated topic, i just now sent you another email; i'd checked my outbox quite thoroughly, where copies of all my correspondence are automatically kept(manually flushed after a few years), but no dice.  So i reconstructed it as best i could.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 20, 2018 - 9:02pm
"Light fuse.  Retire quickly."
John Minehan Added Sep 22, 2018 - 10:43pm
I have a friend who has made a good amount of pin money from Amazon.  Nothing life-changing but something. 
However, 1) he is a very good writer; and 2) he has been at it for several years and he writes children's books  and horror thrillers.
What did you write before?  Seems like this might be a forum where you could identify it and maybe someone needs, say a grant proposal.
I think there are sites for term papers and the like? 
Ward Tipton Added Sep 23, 2018 - 8:56am
Books I write to warm up, to relax ... and some people here may understand this, I find as much pleasure in writing books as some people do reading them. As the characters "speak to me" they often take me on unexpected journeys and to places I had never imagined they would. I do not expect to get rich that way and am not looking to market everything or become rich from that ... it just happens to be how I keep my sanity in this crazy world we live in. 
I have successfully made a living writing for many years ... though that was before angering the wrong people and when I did exist as a legal fiction ... it has been exceedingly difficult to get anyone to consider hiring me for traditional work when by law I do not exist. I am a lawful person, but not a legal person and I do not have a legal fiction ... which has been the severe limiting factor in my current circumstances. 
The last three years I spent writing International Treaties, Environmental Impact Studies, Humanitarian Analyses and Reports, Government Proposals ... from the government side and the NGO side ... RFIs, RFPs ... actual White Papers and Proposals, Grant Writing ... but again, it is difficult to apply for a job when you do not exist ... and despite what you see in the movies, the American embassy is not going to do ANYTHING to help ... though there certainly may be other factors that they are considering as well. In fact, one could say that they have even requested I not show up, refuse to allow me in and have offered to give me a ride to a most unpleasant location ... and no, I am not a criminal on the run hahahahahahahahahaha but you would think I am to hear them tell it LOL
Jeff, if you can find anyone to hire me for the writing and pay my wife the income ... I'm your huckleberry. I have a very extensive background with technical writing ... as much as I hate it, I would welcome it right now. 
Ward Tipton Added Sep 23, 2018 - 10:40pm
I have iWriter bookmarked and will be checking back often so I can try to get in when they have openings. 
Thank you.
Any ideas about other similar sites? 

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