How Palestinians could improve their quality of life

If Palestinians they gave up their designs on killing as many Israelis as possible and driving them from the Middle East, they could greatly improve their quality of life. Every concession from Israel has resulted in outrage from Palestinians and more Israeli deaths. If they were to give Palestinians the "right of return" and give them full control of all the lands they want, Israel would cease to exist within months.


As far as the BDS is concerned they have no such defence. They know that it is already causing harm, they know the Palestinian authority/Hamas are oppressing their own people and have a policy that requires the destruction of Israel, they know that if they succeed then Israel will be destroyed and many of its people Arab, Jew and Christian will be at best kicked out at worst killed en masse. Ignorance isn't an excuse either because at this point they have to be willfully ignorant.


Ken Added Oct 11, 2018 - 1:19pm
If palestinians want a better quality of life, all they have to do is be willing to accept the existence of Israel.  Stop using hamanitarian aid to build tunnels for terrorist attacks.  Quit paying families of homicide bombers and other terrorists a severance for life based on how effective their bombs were.  Stop teaching their children to hate before they learn to walk.
Preach peace instead of war, but for them, I don't know if that is possible.
Dino Manalis Added Oct 11, 2018 - 1:41pm
 Palestinians should learn to coexist with Israelis, because neither community will disappear.  Arab countries ought to recognize Israel to hasten Palestinian independence, while Israel has to train and equip a responsible Palestinian force to contain violence in order for peace to be possible.
Ken Added Oct 11, 2018 - 4:01pm
Interestingly, Dino, Iran is creating strange bedfellows. The Saudis and others are now more friend than enemy with israel and if Saudia Arabia hasn't recognized them officially yet, they likely will soon.  Same is true for several other nations in the region that realize Israel is the only one who can truly stand up to the Iranian aggression.
Logical Man Added Oct 11, 2018 - 6:59pm
Ken, if someone took over your home and locked you in the basement, then proceeded to harass you and threaten you daily with no end in sight, I'm sure you'd be OK with that
A. Jones Added Oct 11, 2018 - 8:28pm
 if someone took over your home and locked you in the basement, then proceeded to harass you and threaten you daily with no end in sight, I'm sure you'd be OK with that
South-Syrian Arabs (who began calling themselves "Palestinians" only AFTER the state of Israel was formed) shared that basement with Jews, Christians, Druse, Samaritans, et al., until they began SELLING their land to European Jews (starting in the late 19th century), at which point, Jews owned most of the land by dint of PURCHASE. Sorry, Mr. 1+1=3, but the deeds of sales still exist in the "Peel Archives" in the UK. You might consider doing a little historical due-diligence before spouting bullshit analogies that make you appear "Illogical."
Ken Added Oct 11, 2018 - 10:41pm
if someone took over your home and locked you in the basement, then proceeded to harass you and threaten you daily with no end in sight, I'm sure you'd be OK with that
You really should change your name to "logical fallacy man"  your statement not only has no basis in reality but makes no sense to the conversation.
Muslims, Christians, and Jews all are represented in the Knesset.  Israel is the only country in the middle east that has NO religious persecution and total religious freedom.  Many Arab rush to live in Israel when they can because they understand the "peaceful port in the storm" and the freedom and no oppression they receive there.
Palestinians came to prominence only because of Yasser Arrafat - A TERRORIST!
I don't know what you are even trying to analogize against what I said - your comment is so absurd it doesn't even relate to anything I said or any issue of reality in the region.
Koshersalaami Added Oct 11, 2018 - 11:38pm
There’s a difference between the Palestinian Authority and Hamas. The PA could be negotiated with; Hamas can’t. 
There are a whole lot of Arabs who would like to see Israel within 1967 borders. If they’d accepted Israel when it was within 1967 borders, they wouldn’t have a problem now. None of them seemed to have a problem with the fact that for nineteen years no Jew was allowed to worship at Judaism’s holiest site. Not no Israeli, no Jew. Incidentally, that site was in a neighborhood that had a significant Jewish population for a thousand years, significant enough for the neighborhood to be called the Jewish Quarter. (The thousand year figure comes from the Jordanian commander who successfully threw the Jews out by destroying all the housing in the neighborhood.) 
Dino is right: Neither community will disappear. This has to be where any negotiations start and, at the moment, it isn’t, on either side. 
Ken is also right. The Balfour Declaration didn’t result in handing Jews so much as an acre. Jews bought the land they occupied until pretty soon before independence. Given that there is no question that Jews were indigenous - even the Qur’an says so, as do the Qumran scrolls and even the Arch of Titus in Rome, both contemporary sources - and given that Jews did not take over land initially by consequence as has been done in the rest of the world, the Jews have more of a right to live in Israel than anyone White has to live in the Western Hemisphere. 
And somehow Jews in the rest of the Middle East who were driven out of their homes in the twentieth century doesn’t even make the discussion. There were a lot of them. 
Not that Netanyahu’s government is helping. They aren’t headed for a two state solution. They’re headed for permanent occupation of the non-citizen population. Still, Hamas is handing that government that opportunity on a silver platter. 
Logical Man Added Oct 13, 2018 - 9:26am
"Israel is the only country in the middle east that has NO religious persecution and total religious freedom"
The moon's made from green cheese too, I suppose.
The Gaza Strip is, effectively, a large open air prison. I think the Nodding Yahoo is the biggest terrorist in the ME, if you define terrorism as terrifying people.
Attacking peaceful protesters in boats in international waters - using banned ammunition against civilians - denying healthcare and medicines - preventing fishermen from fishing......
Sounds suspiciously like persecution to me. Whether religious, racial or for any other reason this behaviour is wrong.
Koshersalaami Added Oct 13, 2018 - 1:04pm
i don’t Like Netanyahu either but you’re confusing two populations: the Arab Muslim population under military occupation and the one with Israeli citizenship. By the way, neither has limitations on worship. There are many Muslim Israeli cirizens with parliamentary representation but no Jewish citizens of the PA, even those with religious objections to Israel’s existence -Jews are forbidden by Palestinian law.
Israel can’t open Gaza. That would lead immediately to dead Israeli civilians. 
Logical Man Added Oct 14, 2018 - 10:22am
I have a question. How many Jews live in the Gaza Strip?
Israel could allow medicines in and stop using banned weapons as a start towards improving things.
A. Jones Added Oct 15, 2018 - 7:19pm
and stop using banned weapons
For example?
A. Jones Added Oct 15, 2018 - 7:20pm
Um, yes, WTF. Excuse me, Mr. Logical Fallacy, but which groups are being persecuted in Israel? Name them and give examples that you can cite by means of a link.
Koshersalaami Added Oct 15, 2018 - 9:17pm
Logical Man,
No Jews live in the Gaza Strip since the IDF forcibly removed Jewish settlers, physically dragging them out of Gaza. I’m afraid a lot of Israelis learned from that experience that pulling the settlers out didn’t make things better with Hamas, it made things worse. 
Medicines aren’t the issue. Building materials are. Israel refused to allow building materials into Gaza because the Israelis knew that Hamas would route all those materials into building tunnels to invade Israel. And guess what? That’s exactly what Hamas did with building materials their civilians desperately needed above ground. Because Hamas cares way, way more about killing Israelis than about protecting and caring for its own people. 
I think the Palestinians get a raw deal, though I don’t think it all comes from Israel. Arafat stole from them left and right. I don’t tend to demonize people but Hamas is an exception. There is nothing redeeming about that organization. They are pure terrorists. They treat their own people as if they are more valuable dead for their propaganda value against Israel than alive. The more I learn about them, the worse they get.