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(credit to the Washington Post for this article)

Squatting amid loose red dirt and rocks, Blake Fischer posed for a picture, a triumphant grin stretching across his face. Arranged in front of him, resembling a macabre family picture, are the bodies of four baboons. The smallest one’s head is lolled back, its mouth slightly agape. Crimson blood stains its abdomen. A quiver of arrows is in the foreground.

It is this photo that has landed Fischer, one of Idaho’s Fish and Game commissioners, in the middle of a firestorm of backlash, which includes an increasing number of calls for his resignation from a position he has held for four years, the Idaho Statesman first reported Friday.

It all began when Fischer and his wife returned from a hunting trip to Namibia last month. Fischer compiled photos of the animals the pair had hunted, which included a leopard, giraffe, impala and waterbuck, and sent the images along with descriptions of each kill to more than 100 people, KBOI reported.


At the very top of Fischer's email was the picture of the baboons, according to the Statesman.

"Fellas," Fischer wrote in the Sept. 17 email, according to the Idaho State Journal, "I have been back for a week, but have been hunting and trying to get caught up. Anyways, my wife and I went to Namibia for a week . . . first she wanted to watch me and 'get a feel' of Africa . . . so I shot a whole family of baboons. I think she got the idea quick."

Fischer's email did not sit well with a number of people who received it, some of whom are former fish and game commissioners. The email and responses to it were obtained by local media outlets through a records request to the Idaho governor's office.


So my question is....

Who out here can defend this atrocity?

I suspect there are a couple.

Go for it....


I hope this guy dies a slow death and feels the pain these poor creatures did.




James Travil Added Oct 15, 2018 - 11:01pm
I agree Bill, it's against my beliefs to harm an animal for any reason except for self-defense or food. And I highly doubt that either was the case here. Seems like the freak just wanted to do a lot of killing, and apparently it didn't hurt that his victims were more human like than not. Behavior like this is a sign of a serious problem that is often an early indication for a proclivity to become a serial killer. Very bad indeed! Not to mention outright sick overall. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 15, 2018 - 11:21pm
Who out here can defend this atrocity?
Bill H. Added Oct 15, 2018 - 11:22pm
Thanks for your comment, James-
This is about the saddest thing I have witnessed in my lifetime when it comes to man's treatment of animals. This guy is one sick mutthafukka for sure, and all for the effort to impress his wife. Apparently killing a family of Baboons wasn't enough, as he finished his venture by taking out at least 14 animals in Namibia, according to the photos and descriptions included in the email he sent to more than 100 recipients. The species included giraffe, leopard, impala, sable antelope, waterbuck, kudu, warthog, gemsbok (oryx) and eland.
Here's a link to the original article that the Washington Post referenced.
Apparently even the outdoors and hunting editor of the Idaho Statesman was appalled.

Read more here:
Bill H. Added Oct 15, 2018 - 11:24pm
So Jeffry...
You defend this?
Can I count you in as #1?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 15, 2018 - 11:27pm
You defend this?
Your Restless Leg Syndrome morphed into leftist jerking knee syndrome Bill H?
That you consider this an atrocity is hilarious. Full stop.
Bill H. Added Oct 16, 2018 - 12:58am
So this is a political issue with you?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 16, 2018 - 1:03am
So this is a political issue with you?
It's a non-issue with me. 
Bill H. Added Oct 16, 2018 - 1:07am
As I suspect it is with some out here.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 16, 2018 - 1:18am
One imagines you would be even more upset were he to have accomplished his task with a gun rather than a bow. 
Bill H. Added Oct 16, 2018 - 1:20am
In my opinion, anyone who would do this is a very sick individual.
And you term it as a task?
wsucram15 Added Oct 16, 2018 - 1:30am
Hunting for the sport of it, never interested me.  For food yes and we do it every year.  Not so much myself anymore as I just dont have the storage facility or the equipment needed to clean and dry the meat anymore.
Making everything on this planet fear man, isnt the way to go here....its just not.   We cannot exist on this planet without these animals, exactly how it is set up.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 16, 2018 - 2:15am
In my opinion, anyone who would do this is a very sick individual.

Opinions being like noses everyone has one and they're generally full of holes. 
And you term it as a task?
As in he set out to fill his permit - a task, and accomplished it.
Do you have any idea how expensive these permits are much less the guide's fees and the airfare for two? 
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2018 - 3:45am
A fish and game administrator! Unbelievable! A piece of scum.
Lindsay Wheeler Added Oct 16, 2018 - 3:58am
Hunting is a very manly sport. Bill H., grow up. The very same people who cry over dead baboons, then supports abortion. I don't get it. 
Flying Junior Added Oct 16, 2018 - 4:36am
Baboons.  A fucking Giraffe!  A leopard?  I guess it's just not that fun shooting deer.  Reminds me of Trump's dickly sons.
My grandfather was a hunter.  He shot game birds through the head with a bullet.  He killed deer to feed his family.  He didn't pay money to do big-game hunting tourism.  These species are endangered.  I can't believe it is even legal.  Sounds like poaching to me.
Where is the sport?  You can bet your bottom dollar the sick fuck had a semi-automatic weapon such as an AR-15.  That sadistic, shit-eating grin is about enough to make anybody wretch.
The only guy I ever heard about talking about what a great hunting rifle the AR-15 was an Army staff sergeant who bought one for his twelve-year-old daughter.
WTF is so manly about killing a wild animal with the unfair advantage of sitting in a blind in some safari hunting park with modern weapons picking off wildlife?
That's about as manly as ramming your dick up another man's arse.
Spartacus Added Oct 16, 2018 - 5:01am
Ya, most people disagree with killing animals for sport.
However, you advocate "taking out" the "orange baboon" for sport, Bill H.  So it is pretty weird you bring up this topic. 
Your hatred for Trump goes way beyond political disagreement into the psychotic and/or pathological.  Yet, maybe it is all an act by childish adults that have always got their way.
Flying Junior Added Oct 16, 2018 - 5:02am
No one on this site has ever advocated violence against a president.
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2018 - 6:59am
Bill - all very predictable. The heartless and callous fail to see living creatures as having any feelings or worth. They are to be cruelly treated as sport. Nothing more.
No wonder they don't care about the environment or global warming. What happens to all these beautiful creatures is of no importance.
The mentality is quite clear. The lacking in empathy and compassion shows itself in their political outlook. Is it genetic? Or a product of upbringing?
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2018 - 7:01am
Lindsay - of course you don't get it. You've got no humanity. You are psychologically twisted.
John Minehan Added Oct 16, 2018 - 8:06am
Generally, killing an entire family of herd or pack animals in not a good hunting practice.  That is why hunters want him out of the position.
Possibly, it is different when culling a population of baboons, but I have not heard that from anyone.
Dino Manalis Added Oct 16, 2018 - 8:33am
 That's barbaric!
opher goodwin Added Oct 16, 2018 - 8:51am
It is barbaric but seemingly some people can't see that. That says lots about them.
Autumn Cote Added Oct 16, 2018 - 9:46am
C'mon Bill, how difficult is it to write a few sentences of your own and include a link/excerpt of the Washington Post article?
TexasLynn Added Oct 16, 2018 - 10:30am
I don't know the details of this hunt (and neither do you); or likely even the reporter.
The one question pertinent to this story was never asked or answered.  What law did he break?
I would assume that the locals have decided how best to use their local natural resources (like wildlife); just as we do.  Who am I tell them how to conduct their affairs?  I assume these trophy hunters pay for these hunts providing jobs to the locals.  Do you leftist have a better idea?  Do you put your money where your mouth is?  OR  Are you just ready to dictate to these backward foreigners that you know better?
Make the preservation of the animals more profitable than the hunts and I suspect that the locals would be interested.  BUT... that's not your way is it.  Instead, just bitch, moan, and make demands...
Trophy hunting is not my thing; but I would not deny the legal activity to others.
FYI... I killed an entire family of beavers a few months ago.  I keep a rifle in my truck 24/7 for killing ALL beavers and pigs on sight.  Not for food (though I'll always keep a pig or two in the freezer), not for sport; but simply because they are a nuisance and destructive to the environment.
Bill H. Added Oct 16, 2018 - 11:36am
Sorry, but this was about the sickest thing I have seen in years, and was just curious to get other's take on it. Seems that a certain group out here is just fine with it and has no respect at all for life on Earth other than themselves.
I am now totally convinced that lack of compassion is the main driving force within the "conservative" mindset. No concern whatsoever for anyone or anything other than themselves.
I get it now.
Willy - show me where I advocated violence against Trump. Total bullshit.
Lindsay - So to you, this guy comes off as "manly"? I also remember you stating that you thought Trump was an "Alpha Male" in an earlier post. Interesting indeed. It appears that the need to constantly prove one's "manlihood" also goes along with the lack of compassion and empathy. And in no way to I "support" or endorse abortion. 
TL - Details are not needed. Just to see this scumbag son of a bitch smiling and feeling like a Macho Man with his lap full of a dead family of Baboons is enough to let me know where his head is at. Did you get the same sense of joy and happiness when you killed the beaver family?
Just curious.
Autumn - Sorry, many here never bother to follow links, especially when it is posted by one of their "advisories". I know I am guilty, as one person out here pretty much always links to Breitbart or InfoWars to present their "facts".
TexasLynn Added Oct 16, 2018 - 1:56pm
Bill H >> Details are not needed.
For knee-jerk leftist... I agree.  They never are.  I became totally convinced a long time ago that lack of thought and reason is the main driving force within the "liberal" mindset.  It's all knee-jerk emotion with you guys.
It's guys like you that smugly (and self-righteously) totally ban DDT to save the earth/environment... and blindly condemn hundreds of thousands (of people) to death via malaria... because... "details are not needed".
But THAT is the kind of "compassion" and "empathy" I expect from the left, and you seldom disappoint.
Bill H >> Did you get the same sense of joy and happiness when you killed the beaver family?
I cannot say.  I do not presume to know the man’s motives or emotions.  I don't have the details behind his hunt.
Myself?  I felt a great deal of satisfaction knowing that these pests would not be doing any more damage to my property or that of my neighbors.  (Same goes for every pig I shoot.)
The ecological damage done by these two groups of animals is astounding.  Yet you "environmentalists" and "animal rights" idiots can't put two and two together... you have no concept of cause and effect, you have no concept of your place in nature, you have no concept of common sense.
Three or four ^%$#ing beavers/baboons are dead... and I'm a heartless bastard?  Better than being a clueless one.
Hope that satisfied your curiosity...
Bill H. Added Oct 16, 2018 - 2:17pm
Based on the responses I am seeing from a certain sect out here, my curiosity is more than satisfied.
I certainly know what to expect now.
TexasLynn Added Oct 16, 2018 - 2:52pm
As do we...
I would way "wow" but it's just more of the same.
Bill H. Added Oct 16, 2018 - 5:41pm
Jeanne - Of course I have no issues with hunting for food. I have been a fisherman all of my life and although I release most of the fish I catch, I occasionally bring home a few for the barbeque. My problem is people who get their rocks off simply by killing animals. From what I can surmise, it is part of satisfying a deep down inferiority complex by supplying a feeling of dominance over other "inferior" species. This may also hold true in the case of one feeling as though they are of a "superior race".
It would be an interesting discussion and study.
Morgoth Added Oct 16, 2018 - 6:39pm
He probably fantasized about killing liberals while he was doing it.
A Vicious Horde
Ken Added Oct 16, 2018 - 7:18pm
Is what he did legal?  Did he have a permit?  The article doesn't say. While I am only a fan of hunting for food or to thin overpopulation of a species that would otherwise starve themselves out, I am not sure what the issue is here?
The piling up of the corpses?  Where they skinned for food? (I don't know if baboons are something table food in Namibia).
Or are we supposed to be offended by his facebook comment and assume he is some white supremacist racist and he was making a racist comment about africa and blacks?  I am assuming that is why you are offended, you are running straight to the racial card.
Is there any evidence that a) this was intended to be racist, 2) this person was some kind of white supremacist, 3) what political affiliation this guy was?
Seems like there are a lot of gaps of information and leaps of assumption here
Ken Added Oct 16, 2018 - 7:20pm
It's guys like you that smugly (and self-righteously) totally ban DDT to save the earth/environment... and blindly condemn hundreds of thousands (of people) to death via malaria... because... "details are not needed".
Actually it is tens of millions and it was a completely false environmentalist report that caused the ban - by a eugenecist environmentalist female.
Jeff Michka Added Oct 16, 2018 - 7:46pm
Kenny now is an expert in exterminating insects, and clearly claims to know what's best for "mankind."  And he wants to blame liberals for "condemning" 1000s to death from marlaria.  Rightists never stop amazing me.  "Yeah, vote T  in the midterms, those awful liberals condemned thousands.  Did we use "death panels," Kenny?  Thanks for illustrating and exposing the mindsets of Trumpists. "Just a little more cruelty always makes it better."  And Kenny KNOWS the reports on DDT were false 'cause it was by an "environmentalist female."  I suppose Kenny would have believed it if it was by an "environmentalist male." 
Lindsay Wheeler Added Oct 16, 2018 - 7:48pm
Girlie men.
Bill H. Added Oct 16, 2018 - 7:57pm
"Guys like me". Great response!!
If the issue here is not obvious to you, then I guess you have no issue with it.
What is your response to the picture showing this sick individual's pride at killing an entire Baboon family? If you check the link, you will see that the baby Baboon on the lower right still has an arrow in it's stomach. Tell me, Ken, would you be as happy and proud as he is?
Nobody's Sweetheart Added Oct 16, 2018 - 9:03pm
I'm very much against the senseless and purposeless killing of animals, but also recognize that it has to be done sometimes. For example, when I was a teenager, I helped to eradicate a huge colony of ground squirrels that were tearing up a rancher's property. More recently, in my area there was a mass culling of coyotes, who were actually running amok in the streets in the early morning hours, killing the neighborhood cats and dogs. I save most of my ire for the assholes that kill big cats and other endangered animals like rhinos, all so some little Chinese prick can have some natural Viagra. As for the shark-finners, I would love to do exactly the same thing to them - cut off their arms and legs and throw them overboard.
Ken Added Oct 16, 2018 - 9:13pm
Kenny now is an expert in exterminating insects, and clearly claims to know what's best for "mankind." 
DDT eradicated malaria in developed countries.  It would have done the same in 3rd world countries as it was well on the way to eradicating it in Africa before Rachel Carson wrote the fiction text "Silent Spring.
And he wants to blame liberals for "condemning" 1000s to death from marlaria
No, I blame 1 specific liar - Rachel Carson
Ken Added Oct 16, 2018 - 9:15pm
What is your response to the picture showing this sick individual's pride at killing an entire Baboon family? If you check the link, you will see that the baby Baboon on the lower right still has an arrow in it's stomach. Tell me, Ken, would you be as happy and proud as he is?
I am not proud of anything.  I simply asked several questions to make an informed opinion.  I note you answered none of them and deflected to an emotional defense rather than an empirical one.
Katharine Otto Added Oct 16, 2018 - 9:32pm
Bill H.,
I don't believe in killing animals for sport, either.  My formerly rural home has become a sort of wildlife preserve because of all the development around me.  I feed the deer but realize someday they may have to feed me, if things keep going the way they are now.  I also live in fear that some idiot with a gun will shoot me trying to get one of "my" deer.
It surprises me that this guy was so proud of what he did, and it also surprises me that so many people are quick to defend him.  
Jeff Michka Added Oct 16, 2018 - 9:51pm
Bingo, KO.  When my wife's grandad and I would go hunting, he had a couple of places with embankments on three sides to park the camper.  Cut down on concerns of bullets hitting it or us in a revetment.  You're correct in observing the real danger in the woods, are the two legged creatures with guns.  And remember, unless of another race, killers are heroes to WB white folks and ERWs, so of course they'll defend them.  I'm surprised he took the ropes off the legs of the baboons pre photo.  He probably had them tied down to shoot them. 
Bill H. Added Oct 16, 2018 - 9:52pm
Ken - "Make an informed opinion"? So you obviously did not have a gut reaction, aye? If you watched your neighbor beating down a puppy or hanging a cat, would you need to stop and "make an informed opinion"?
How about watching a parent beating a small child. Still need to hold off for that "informed opinion"?
I am becoming more and more convinced that any level of compassion or empathy is non-existent in your club.
Bill H. Added Oct 16, 2018 - 10:02pm
Katherine - I have no problem with hunting for food at all. But to see this guy obviously having what appears close to an orgasm in the picture, and then reading some of the responses on this thread, I am presently evaluating the level of tolerance I have for my fellow man. Actually, my experience out here on WB has been quite an education to say the least.  
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 17, 2018 - 12:14am
Defend this! Michelle Obama arrested in North Carolina for using a woman's bathroom. 
opher goodwin Added Oct 17, 2018 - 5:49am
Bill - your experiences here are due to the fact that WB seems to be inundated with some very extreme people. They are not really representative of the majority of the Americans that I have met or worked with during my times of living in America.
It seems to me that there are two distinct communities living in America. We have the extremely vociferous macho John Wayne types who still think they are living in a frontier environment and then we have those who want a more liberal compassionate society.
At this moment in time Trump has provided energy to the more extremes of both sides. People on line can give full vent to the feelings that they have in a way that they would not do face to face.
WB does seem to have deteriorated into a more vicious nastiness with far less proper interaction and debate. People are entrenched.
Perhaps the midterms will bring a bit more sanity into the debate and suck a bit of the heat out of it. With the Dems leading by 14 points it might suck a little of the arrogance out of the extremists on the Republican side and stop the extreme Democrats reacting.
I noted that even Trump has now publicly admitted that there is global warming. That should take some of the force away from the stupidity being spouted by the deniers.
Then we have a great mind like Stephen Hawking, in his last book just published, warning about this wave of populism with Trump and Brexit and the environmental catastrophe assailing the world.
Maybe things are changing for the better and the gloating extremists will crawl back into their holes?
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 17, 2018 - 8:01am
With the Dems leading by 14 points
That's what the DIMS were saying right up to the minute Trump won. 
Bill H. Added Oct 17, 2018 - 11:25am
Oph - I would compare WB at times to an ongoing protest with both "sides" present and the dividing fence being WB itself. People get so heated often that there would be no agreement on anything, just worsening rhetoric and disagreement as time goes on. Many out here will stay on their side of the "fence" and merge with whatever the others on their side decide to agree or disagree with. This post is an example. I suspect their may actually be some people on the other side that do have compassion and empathy, but they know that they would be teased and jeered by their compatriots if it became obvious since it would be looked at as being "unmanly" if any hint of compassion or empathy was displayed. Imagine if one of them ever admitted to buying a Prius as an example, or admitted that they felt Trump was unfit for office.
I can't figure out Ken's obsession with DDT. He has brought it up in many other unrelated posts.
Maybe he works for Monsanto, who hasn't produced it since 1972.  
Jeff Michka Added Oct 17, 2018 - 7:12pm
Kenny brings up a lot of thing.  But Kenny can always hope the Orange Il Duce  will issue an EO bringing DDT back, and as part of the EO, allow monsanto to dump byproducts from DDT manufacturing into any water nearby.   And note ol Lindsay has declared not loving executing baboon, as "unmanly."  'cause yanno how tough and manly rightists are.  Ask Rusted Smith or Riley skidmark.  We're "supposed" to believe they are brave rightists and fear nothing.  Save homeless or brown people. 
Jeffry Gilbert Added Oct 17, 2018 - 9:03pm
Point of order. Monsanto no longer exists. It was absorbed by Bayer. 
Henry Ortiz Added Oct 18, 2018 - 2:41pm
Bill, I disagree with hunting for sport, I consider killing an animal just for fun is a kind of crime, so in that sense I agree with you.
But, why is that he had to quit his position as a statesman if he did not do any illegal act. Baboons are a proble in The south of Africa, and those baboons are not an endangered species. 
Finally, if you think that is an atrocity, which I agree, why don’t you write another article with a picture of human fetuses, product of abortions, with the physician beside them....with the same title.....”defend this”.
Katharine Otto Added Oct 18, 2018 - 3:23pm
Bill H.,
After following this thread, I've begun to wonder about the term "manly" and what it means.  I recently read The Last of the Mohicans, by James Fenimore Cooper, who was pre-occupied with the same thing.  
It occurs to me that "manly" in the true sense of the word, has to do with attractiveness to women.  I guess your guy Fischer's wife got off on his killing these animals. 
I have a different idea of what "manly" means, and it involves respect for life, all life.  I even apologize to mosquitoes when I swat them.  For me, "manly" has a lot to do with competence, maturity, and judgment.  While Fischer may be competent with bow and arrow, his judgment leaves a lot to be desired.  He would not be someone I would want in my life, either friend or foe. 
It's a lot easier to kill than to heal, to destroy than to build.  The real "men," according to me, are the ones who repair the damage others have wrought. 
Bill H. Added Oct 18, 2018 - 3:51pm
Henry - What prompted my post was my reaction to this asshole's grin of fulfillment in the picture. Upon reading even more about his ventures, I decided to see how some others would react.
And of course, I am no fan or promoter of abortion, as a certain party would lead (and want) you to believe.
Katherine - I value all life, even though I believe and have posted that human overpopulation is the cause of virtually all of the problems we now face. I have lost count of all of the honeybees, butterflies, and lizards that I have saved from drowning in my pool, not to mention all of the baby birds I kept alive when I was young after the local city tree trimmers (who always seemed to trim in the Spring) got done destroying all of the local bird's nests.
Of course, many out here will lead you to believe that I am a member of a violent sect of society.
Thanks for your comment.
FacePalm Added Oct 18, 2018 - 3:55pm
Taking joy in the suffering of another living creature is simple sadism.
i read the linked article, and to FJ who says he was hunting with an AR15, he used a "recurved bow," which may or may not be a compound bow, but i suspect it was.  It's much easier to aim once you get past the tension point, and much easier to hold steady.
The article doesn't go into the hunter's motivations, whether he was hunting just for the thrill of the kill and the marksmanship involved, if he was going to take heads for trophies or employ a taxidermist, if he was going to donate the meat to local IP's, or what.
All i can say is that I would certainly not have hunted those animals in that way; dying from an arrow in the gut is not a pleasant way to go.  The AR would have been quicker, ergo more humane, to me, if the intent was only to kill.  It may have been better to hunt with a tranquilizer gun and transport the animals to areas needing them, as opposed to solving the local overpopulation problem, if that's what justified his hunting there.
From what i've read - and believe to be true - when you shuffle off this mortal coil there's a VERY good chance that your soul will be sent back into your past, so that you can inhabit the bodies of everyone you ever hurt, including those killed, so that the lessons of compassion and empathy might be taught.  Christ said "As ye sow, so shall ye reap," "Give, and it will be given unto you," "With the measure that ye mete, it shall be measured unto you again," and "As ye would that others do unto you, do also unto them," as well as the reverse, "As ye would not that others do unto you, do not unto them."
So anyone remotely familiar with Christ's teachings should not be surprised post-mortem, assuming they were unrepentant of their cruelty prior.
Flying Junior Added Oct 18, 2018 - 4:27pm
Thank you for correcting me.  It doesn't change the discussion much.
Big Game and Exotic Hunting in Africa is a complicated issue.  I didn't realize it was so common.  Poaching and the illegal bush meat market seem to grab more international attention.
Kenya was much heralded for their complete ban on exotic hunting in 1977.  Except there was a great deal of blowback.  The indigenous peoples were no longer able to use the wildlife for their personal benefit and lost part of their economies.  Illegal killing continued.  Habitat destruction threatened the animals far more than hunting.
This hunt was a triple whammy for me.  Sure baboons are nuisance animals to farmers not unlike pigs and beavers in Texas.  Or beavers in Connecticut for that matter.  But they are intelligent social animals.  When you add in a leopard and a giraffe, it is purely criminal.
I'm sure this guy paid dearly for the privilege.  A leopard kill is worth $12,000 to $13,000 USD.
Bill H. Added Oct 18, 2018 - 4:57pm
FJ - He did end up losing his job since he apparently sent around his morbid pictures to his co-workers, most like many who had the same reaction as myself.
Bill H. Added Oct 18, 2018 - 5:00pm
FP - Thanks for your comment.
Judging by the look on his face, it seems pretty obvious about his motivations. He also admitted to trying to impress his wife, who also apparently participated in the carnage.
Henry Ortiz Added Oct 18, 2018 - 5:05pm
Bill, just to clarify, I don’t believe you are part of a violent society. 
What I see in many comments, from either side, is that they don’t  have any idea of what it means to “agree that we disagree “, I hope you understand what I mean by that expression.
FacePalm Added Oct 18, 2018 - 5:29pm
Bill H-
IME as well as FMO, judging by looks is quite inadvisable.  Again according to Christ, if you rush to judgment, your own may be equally as swift.
John Minehan Added Oct 18, 2018 - 5:34pm
"After following this thread, I've begun to wonder about the term 'manly' and what it means.  I recently read The Last of the Mohicans, by James Fenimore Cooper, who was pre-occupied with the same thing.  
It occurs to me that "manly" in the true sense of the word, has to do with attractiveness to women.  I guess your guy Fischer's wife got off on his killing these animals."
As an up-state New Yorker, I will defend Cooper by saying he was more concerned with honor, integrity and the courage of one's convictions when he talked about Hawkeye, Chingachgook or Uncas being "manly."  They were not back-shooters like Magua or men prone to looking down on others like Duncan Haywood starts out in the book.  (Unlike the 1936 or 1992 film, Duncan learns quickly in the book.)
Cooper was born in a town his father founded in central NY (Cooperstown, now home of the Baseball Hall of Fame) right after the Revolution and the departure of the Iroquois Confederation after the British defeat.  I always see in Cooper the sorrow of a man who missed out on great events and not sure he had the mettle to deal with them if he had not missed them.      
Gerrilea Added Oct 20, 2018 - 5:10pm
Bill H-- We don't agree on many things but this sight is beyond words for me.  There is nothing anyone here can present that rationalizes this.
I will never defend barbarism at this level.
There is no "sport" in killing something you don't need to survive or prevents you from surviving.
Morgoth Added Oct 20, 2018 - 7:48pm
On a related note, what a couple of dicks:
Girlie Men
I really wish the elephants would’ve caught them and put a tusk up their ass.  That’s video I’d like to see.
Bill H. Added Oct 22, 2018 - 3:08pm
Gerrilea - Totally agreed!
Jeffrey - That was a sad video, although I do agree that those fuckheads needed to be gored with a tusk.
I have no use for "people" like that.
Sick, indeed!